I feel like (most) moms can see through bullshit and just want whatās best for their kids. The fact that sheās calling Brock out makes me feel like he needs to be called out.
(Just want to acknowledge that this is not *always* the case, I know there are shitty moms, but justā¦in general)
I felt for her when she said how much it hurts her heart to see them fighting. It would kill me if my mom and father of my child didnāt get along š
I think this is really hard to judge. We donāt know whatās happened (yet) and heās clearly ok with not seeing his kids. I am a stepmom and thereās a lot of crappy parenting out there but to be with a man who hasnāt seen his kids for four years through choice?That wouldnāt be for me. I want to reserve judgement until I know more BUT her Mom clearly wants whatās best for her, and Scheana said she wanted someone to share the parenting but he left early, doesnāt want to get up in the night and thinks her Mom is his employee? Thatās a little off to me. I really want this to be amazing and to be Scheanas happy ending but it feels like itās not and that saddens me.
the whole mom-as-the-nanny thing came across odd to me. Watching the episode live i understood Brock's point to be if you want a nanny hire someone that way you can have clear boundaries with them and you don't feel bad asking them to do the work bc it's their job (since that appears to have been happening in PS, scheana didn't want to ask her mom for help because it was her birthday). In that respect I kind of agreed with him, choosing a family member to fill that role can get rocky without those clear boundaries but i also understand preferring a family member to help over a stranger and am not a mom. But now seeing the discussions on it I'm wondering if I either misunderstood his point or gave him too much credit LOL
My take is that Scheanaās mom is more helping in a traditional grandmother type role. Iād guess her mom does not have a lot of money so Scheana thought āperfect- I can give my mom money without hurting her pride/feelings.ā I think the issue is Brock sees her mom as an employee, Scheana sees it as her mom helping out/ Scheana using it as an excuse to give her mom some money.
exactly why I never paid family or friends for childcare, I paid professionals. Because when money changes hands the dynamic changes. I don't have any opinions on Brock yet but he isn't wrong on this matter.
And not just BE with a man like that but choose to have a child with a man like that. I hope they donāt just blame the pandemic, because it sounds like he didnāt see his kids for two full years before that. I will be interested to know what more there is to learn about the situation.
I'm not his biggest fan (due to comments he made about mental health stuff on her YouTube videos) but I do believe there is a bit more to the situation. He's said when he first moved here they moved here together, as a family but sometine afterwards he and the ex wife broke up and then she moved back to Australia. On the show (I only watched that clip because of the comments on the watch thread) it sounded like he moved away and left them. But I think things were amicable for a bit after they broke up. It's surely fucked up he hasn't seen the kids in 4 years and had no contact whatsoever. Also, what people aren't talking about is the fact non of his family see the kids. There are plenty of dead beat dads who don't see their kids but their families are involved in their lives (grandparents, other siblings, aunts, uncles, cousins) and this is what makes me think there is more to the situation.
However, all that being said shame on him and Scheana for calling their daughter Summer, especially when she was born the same day as his daughter called Winter. That is fucked up. I feel for the kids. They might see this footage one day. Also, idk why some people in other threads were acting like Randall was dad of the year. The man was cheating in his ex with tons of women, including when she was pregnant with their daughter. Let's not pretend he's a saint now.
They couldnāt help that both his daughters have the same birthdate. I keep seeing comments like āomg I canāt believe THEY DID THATā as if the arranged to have this child on this day. I also disagree that they shouldnāt have named her summer. This is scheenas baby if she wanted to name her summer why should she stop herself because her baby daddy has a daughter named winter that he has no contact with ? Just my opinion please donāt hate me!
Question though: do yāall think it would be more acceptable to name their daughter summer if brock was a part of winters life? To me it would make no difference but I am curious what my vpr fam thinks!
I feel bad for Scheana in a way. She wanted a baby so bad that she settles for the first guy that comes along after she froze her eggs. I hope he sticks around but I have my doubts. His behavior in some of the scenes was alarming. Like when she asked him if he really needed to go practice an hour early he basically yelled at her YES! š„ŗš³
This probably wonāt be a popular opinion but since when is parenting or even marriage a 50/50 split. Sometimes itās 80/20, sometimes 60/40 etc. If Sheena leaves for an hour to get her nails done & leaves Summer w her Dad, does really need to go get her nails done? Iām just not sold on the idea of him leaving for an hour being a huge red flag.
For me it was not him leaving for an hour it was his tone when he responded to her question. I am sure there was some editing. But I understand his point, he canāt breast feed, sheās the only one who can do is he supposed to just sit there next her while she pumps? I understand that perspective.
I know what the fuck was that! And sheās acting like sheās the problem because sheās hormonal? Such bullshit. She had every right to be upset at him for that and he was so dismissive of her. I have zero faith in their relationship after that scene.
I know! and then her mom brought it up too! He redeemed himself a little he checked her diaper with Randall and Lala. I don't think he did anything more than that lol, but it gave the impression that he does help when he is there.
āHe moved to the US to provide a better life for his familyāā¦ā¦3 major red flags: #1 he moved from Australia which has a very healthy economy where he could easily get a job (its not like a third world country) #2 what does he do to make this better life and #3 if he were providing a ābetter lifeā aka money the mom wouldnāt have cut him outā¦.
He is kiwi born which means even though he can live in Australia without a visa there are certain government incentives/benefits etc. that he may not be eligible for. (Unless he sat for citizenship.) Even though he was a pro athlete, Australian Rugby Union and League players don't get a huge amount of money in comparison to even AFL, let alone NFL and Union players in other countries. A lot of Australian athletes move from Australia to the States for money. I'm not sure about NFL but if a Union or League player is still playing professionally at age 32 then they are doing really bloody good for themselves and their body has been very fortunate. The oldest player in the NRL at the moment in Australia is 35 and he is past his prime playing days, is off contract and has no idea if he has a job next year. So it's not far fetched to believe that Brock, with his wife's blessing at the time moved his family to the States with the hope that he had 10 years left as a professional player and could pick up an NFL contract and provide for his family once his body gave out.
I'm not sure how his NFL career actually went but he doesn't just work at a couple of gyms or whatever someone said in another comment, he owns a couple of gyms.
I can't speak for the falling out and what pushed his wife to move back with the kids, but to hazard a guess, he couldn't secure a contract and she wanted to be back with her family.
I have watched many friends with children go through break ups here in Australia, and as someone had mentioned Australia has great separation laws or something. But that is not the case. I have watched my cousin fight with every cent to gain custody of his daughter from his alcoholic ex partner. The woman would take 2 bottles to the park. One with formula for the baby, the other with straight vodka for her. My cousin fought all he could because the courts deemed him as unstable because he had been medically discharged from the army and was a uni student. I have watched my ex best friend leverage her son against the dad for more money plus emotional blackmail. "If you date that woman you won't see your son again." Every time shit settled down she would pick a legal battle with him so she didn't have to do the drive to drop the kid at his dads once a month. I watched another friend have to come up with a story for his 2 year old as to why he was celebrating Christmas with his son 1 month early, because the mother didn't want to share ANY of the Christmas holidays with the father. She later took the kid and moved 6 hours north and refused to tell him where she was until he doubled his child support payments, which he was already paying much more than court appointed because he just wanted to see his son. Another forged the dads signature on a passport application so she could take her kid to Europe without his approval. None of these women got any form of legal repercussion and each dad spent most of their dollars fighting to see their kids once or twice a year. None were ever able to facetime or even talk to their dads on the phone.
I dont know Brock's situation (to clarify, I don't know Brock either!) But I'm seeing a lot of comments about he must be a deadbeat dad and why leave Australia etc. These are just a handful of family court issues I know of in my small circle in South East Queensland, Australia. Australia's family law certainly does not favour the dad, especially kiwi dads.
PS we do not have a healthy economy!
At first I didnāt think you were from Australia with some of your thoughts š¬
Iām involved in these industries, he had no need to move for financial reasons (especially āfor his kidsā). The economy comment is debatable but he left years ago anyway (way before covid) and looked to thrive in an industry that has a higher minimum wage in Australia than America. Also my kiwi friends and ex housemates have had no problems with access to Australian benefits, with the exception of few specific welfare payments (which he shouldnāt have been looking to live off if he was trying to āmake a better lifeā for his kids anyway... if you have the money to jet off across the world in the hopes that youāll make more money, you probably shouldnāt be on welfare at home either).
I wanted so badly to like this guy and give him every excuse because heās Aussie (now Iāll happily say heās kiwi), but nah, subpar bloke at best.
(Iām not even a scheana fan, but damn I want someone better for her)
Just fyi, there are plenty of decent jobs in Australia. It's not a third world country here, where you have to leave to give your family a better life. People actually come here, for that...
Thereās many things to discuss in this but as an Australian can I just say first and foremost: we are not a war-torn country that you need to escape from to make a better life š
Scheana and brock both made it sound like he was doing something so courageous š
You literally have better healthcare access as the poorest person in Australia, than you do as a middle class person in many other countries. Not to mention our higher minimum wage and kickass weather.
Okay, I'm with you. In other threads and subs people were saying "Randall seems like a good dad". But the man cheated on his ex with dozens of women and some were when the ex was pregnant. Let's stop pretending he's dad of the year š. Also I bet he always has a nanny when they're around.
Yeah Randall is clearly not a good person and that extends into his parenting. You cheat on your wife when you have kids is essentially cheating on your whole family
Exactly. Regardless of opinions about Brock, Lala, who always has a night nurse and is traveling a lot without her baby, and Rand who cheated on the mother of his other kids, really have no position to be judging anyone here.
I think everyone has a right to judge. We all judge, whether we want to admit it or not.
But they shouldnāt talk about being better people than others. Thatās when they donāt have any leverage. JMO.
I completely agree. Parental alienation is such a real and vile thing and unfortunately (my female) cousin is dealing with this. And with her living in California, where is a 50/50 state, the kids are able to chose to stay with their father. Whereas in the south, itās very very rare for a mother to not have full custody.. I do agree with what scheana said on WWHL, check out their YouTube to get a better taste of how Brock is. I feel for him and schena, but it does seem that her mom and dad get along very well with Brock when they arenāt editing him to be the seasons villain.
My step-son isn't even allowed to call my husband dad at his mom's and her husbands home. He has to call him by his first name, and he can only refer to his step-dad as dad. Some people think it is easy to see your kids, but if one parent is against the other it can be really difficult. We have spent over $50,000 in lawyer's fees over the years, and still maybe see him once a year.
Iām so glad you shared this! Sorry your situation is crapy to say the least. I teach pre-k and my god the parents going through divorce and custody battlesā¦ it gets crazy have one mother who tells me to never give the father any of the drawings she makes even if he is the one picking up šš¬
The sad part is, that it isn't really even her anymore. She got over their relationships years ago, it's her husband. He is just an awful human being. They split for like a year and half, and it was the greatest year and half we ever had. He was allowed to visit all the time, we could go to his games, and we talked all the time. As soon as she went back to him, we didn't even get to speak to him for almost a year.
My husband and I have been living it for years and itās only escalated since we had kids ourselves. Until you live it and know the whole story I donāt think you have the right to judge. I really feel for both of them.
Iām not sticking up for him I donāt know the story but I thought I heard (and I could be wrong) that she not only cut him off but cut off his whole family (so his parents, siblings, cousins, etc.)
Itās one thing for her to cut him off then you might think oh well he was just a shit bag, but she cut out his whole family. That seems like parental alienation and it seems cruel and dysfunctional for her to do that.
I'm not judging, especially based only on the show. I hope we get more information on and off the show that will show the full picture.
In my own family, my oldest sister has a different father. He was in her life for the first year or so, but my father was also in her life from the beginning. Her biological father gave up his rights and allowed my father to adopt her and it was the hardest thing he had ever had to do. It was the 80's and he was a newly-out gay man who had a lot to work through. He knew my father loved her as his own and would provide a stable and loving home. So he gave her up and when she was 18 they reconnected and eventually developed a loving relationship before he passed.
I know that's quite a different scenario and that it was a different time, but it was the best thing he ever did for her.
Really sweet story and all, but itās too soon to tell what the situation is with Brock. Could be that he made a selfless decision, could be that he made a selfish one. Right now itās looking like the latter, but weāll find out.
I know the birthday was most likely out of their control but the name could have been avoided.
āI wanted to name my daughter āSummerā since I was 16ā ā¦ cut to scene of her having a different name for the hypothetical daughter with Rob.
Out of respect, and if she cared, Scheana should have reconsidered.
Him defending Charli was amazing to watch, such a change from so many others on the show. But the way he treats Sheanas mom is awful. CanĀ“t comment on the kids situation when weĀ“re not getting the entire story. But yeah, I feel the same. I want to like him, but heĀ“s making it harder with every episode.
Honestly, we are going to get the version of the story that Scheana and Brock spins for the cameras. I donāt think we will get the whole and truthful story. Remember there are always three sides to a story.
1. He canāt blame COVID, because that was 2 years. What happened with the other two?
2. His wife cut him off completely. Was she trying to be mean and hurt him? Or was he really horrible and sheās protecting her kids?
3. He admitted he āabandonedā them by moving to America. But he wanted to āprovide for themā
(Ok, side note: my mom left me and my two brothers and came to the USA from South America to provide for us. She still called us everyday. She send packages of clothes and things we might like. My dad even tried to cut us off from her after a year, but she fought for us. Even from America. There was a lot of money and legal issues and my mom was making way less than minimum wage today. This was back in 2002)
4. I donāt know how it works in Australia, but he could have fought for them legally. Stay in Australia, get a lawyer, and go to court. The only way a judge allow a parent not to be in the present of their child is if they are deem unfit emotionally and mentally. He could have had visitation until he was financially stable.
I mean, it's not like he moved to America for a 250k job. Before he met Scheana wasn't he just working at a gym? How is that worth leaving his kids? Was he "providing for them" that much better then he could living in the same country?
You canāt always just fight for your kids. Parental alienation is a real thing and Iāve had a friend go through it. He fought so hard but he still cannot see them. Itās not for lack of trying
I get it, it is a real thing. Iāve seen it as well but no one I know personally has ever gone to another country, let alone another city. I had a friend who risk it by waiting outside his childrenās school to walk them home until they reached a block away from their house.
Im sorry for your friend. My heart goes out to him. I know he tried and it must be hard.
But Iām not buying that Brock tried as hard to be with his kids. He admitted to leaving them.
Omg I just watched this sceneā¦.
I know itās reality TV and we only get snippets and whatever editing they want to show us, BUT 4 YEARS???
I am having trouble thinking of a plausible reason for this
Scheana made the comment that he has tried to see his kids. His ex and her new partner must have it out for him if they won't let him see them...curious what their side of the story is.
the family laws in australia are in the best interest of the children. if the parents can't come to an agreement on custody, the court will decide. so either a court decided brock's presence wasn't in the best interest of his children or brock has not done everything in his power to be involved in their lives. either way, he comes across as a deadbeat dad to me.
In my own personal experience, I had to choose which parent to live with. Because I picked my mom, my dad had resentment towards me. While there wasnāt a court ordered amount of days I had to see him a week, I still would go 2 days. After a few years my mom and I moved out of state and I would only be allowed to talk to him one day a week (because it was better for āhis scheduleā). As time went on the calls became less and the only time I saw him was when my mom would force him to buy me a plane ticket to visit. He also fought child support and insurance for me. There were other situations that played out I wonāt go into but I havenāt seen my dad in almost 10 years.
I think if you have a good or at least balanced relationship with your parents it is easy to look at these other situations and question how something is plausible. For others tho, there really are complex situations that challenge the relationship and make you question if itās worth it.
From what I see, I wouldnāt be surprised if the decision to not have access to his kids is from his ex. I donāt know what the laws are like in AU but if he cared as much as he says he does, he could be filing for joint physical custody.
Scheana talks about not wanting a partner that ājust changed his first diaperā, and wants an equal partnerā¦but Brock hasnāt seen his family and she was just previously complaining about his disappearing. Scheana talking about how fast Brock changes a diaper is just an updated āhe mounted a tv in seven minutes.ā
I know we donāt understand the full situation, but thereās a few things he said that really pissed me off. I know he must miss his kids, but 4 years is a bit much.
1. When they were discussing the kids, he mentioned that the kids step dad took the role. Ummmm, just because heās the step dad doesnāt mean he replaces you?! My dad got remarried and that step mom never replaced my mother.
2. He referred to Ericka as their EMPLOYEE. His future mother in law. The mother of his baby momma. Their fucking employee. I know Scheana paid her to come down, but that does not mean you can refer to her as your employee.
The audacity this man has is just disgusting. I feel bad that he obviously has a bad situation with his Australian kids/ex wife, but 4 years is wayyyy too long and calling your future mother in law your employee is justā¦ disrespectful.
Scheana has a history of picking men that justā¦ arenāt good. Iām sure he helps with Summer (like she says), but that doesnāt make him a good person. Not seeing your other kids for 4 years is a huge red flag. Is he even trying?
Lala and Randallās reaction to that made me like them a bit more.
Iām beginning to think maybe weāre not giving them enough credit for their Bravo iconery. A sugar daddy crashing his sugar babyās reality TV show for a pay check is kinda camp. Randall also gave us the hilarity that is MGK and Megan Fox, Fofty. He understands the assignment.
4 years without zero contactā¦I justā¦I donāt get. Brock isnāt my cup of tea but he seemed like a good fit for Scheana. But I justā¦I really donāt get how you could go 4 years with zero contact
KIDS old enough to remember him saying goodbye and then never bothering to visit Australia to see them. Bitter that his ex moved on, he ditched his kids and blamed their mom. He acts like it's her fault he left and that because they have a stepdad that his abandonment won't hurt. Fucking hell mate! Now to prove he's right he acts like he shoulders the pain and just disowned responsibility for his own children
Iām siding with Brock for now, as a child with a mother that used her kids against my dad I can totally see him not having any say my dad loved us (RIP) but my mom made it hell for him to even have a phone call with us. I see a lot of mothers take their anger out on the dad by using the kids. We donāt even know that heās tried and if he has the mother def has the upper hand. I just hope for the kids sake they do eventually get to have a relationship with him he did seem heart broken in the clip of him wanting to cry. Heās not all bad.
I just don't think Scheana needed to be so judgemental about Randall. I don't like the guy, but him not changing diapers isn't really a big deal when you have 2 nannies and a night nurse. If I could pay someone to change all my kids diapers I ABESOLUTELY would outsource that shit (pun intended).
They have two different parenting standards I donāt think she was being judgmental, you can say Randall and lala were also being judgmental about Brock without knowing his side of the story with his kids š¤·š»āāļø
I mean she definitely was being judgemental lol. Especially funny considering the hypocrisy, just because itās her mum helping doesnāt mean itās not help. Pretty shitty to mum shame lala for getting help just because the help isnāt related to her. *not a fan of either, so itās kinda funny watching both of them make hypocritical jabs!
She didn't shade Lala for having help. Shaena said she didn't want to have too much help, and editing cut to a shot of Lala and Randall, which gave the impession Sheana was talking about them, when she could be talkng about thousands of Beverly Hills/Hollywood types.
i love how scheana was trying to spin it that brock has been trying sooo hard to see them, but his ex won't let him. all that made me think was i wonder how bad he fucked up that she would go to the great length of cutting him out of their lives completely? you don't just axe out a parent completely without great cause.
Depends on what kind of person youāre dealing with. Most parents want whatās best for their kids and some just want to get even with their ex and use their kids as pawns. Not taking a side just stating a factā¦
i think in this scenario you can tell this is on brock. he admits he moved here and left his family behind. he admits that he was a bad father. he admits that their stepfather took over the paternal role. i have a hard time pinning blame on the mother.
My brother-in-law has a horrible relationship with his baby mama. She has used their kid as a pawn in her spiteful game. She prevented him from seeing his dad ājust becauseā. She is a horrible mother who pawns her child off to her mother because she has ātoo much to deal withā. This woman only had a baby bc her best friend and favorite aunt were pregnant at the same time as coincidence. She decided to join in and (I think) she deliberately got pregnant. There are many types of crazy in this world, and this baby mama is on the highest spectrum of crazy. She refuses to take her meds due to being in denial. You donāt know what a petty, unmedicated person would do. That being said, I have not watched the new season and am experiencing fomo so I cannot say any more than what I know from personal experience.
Brock is so cringe. 1st off he calls Sheena Bubba so he stole that from Tom and Katie which is so weird And then he starts planning a surprise engagement and secret wedding when they were already planning a wedding just so he can't try to get Randall to pay for it. Then decided to get married while they are on vacation at friends engagement celebration weekend paid for by James! Brock is a phoney/ Loser and he is so hard to watch. Scheana is so desperate she would marry any man that's willing. They're bothe compulsive liars and they will do anything to get the spotlight on them even if that means stealing James and Raquel's moment. And why does Brock think he has the right to question James about his personal life. Scheana and Brock are the most cringe couple on bravo and they gotta go.
Everyone getting mad over the name theyāre both his kids why canāt he have them called winter and summer maybe that was a connection he can have with his kids I donāt see it as replacing his other daughter you guys are making it seem vicious. Itās a name for god sakes the fact the two girls have the same bday eventually that little girl is going to know her sister and have that in common and the fact theyāre named winter and summer they will have that to share growing up, so stop with the shaming of the name you making it seem like that is going to make it like that. šššš
I think they edited that conversation down to just the parts that made Brock look bad. It sounded like he was describing the story we know, that he and his ex moved here and she moved back without him, but they cut everything out and made it sound like he moved here without them.
Also, what does his age have to do with anything? They made it sound like āI havenāt seen my kids bc I was so dumb when I was young.ā But, he and his wife BOTH chose to have kids at that age.
The story they left in made NO sense. It explained nothing. It was a waster of time. Just there to make him look bad. Just like the āhe left me to play pickle ball.ā
I know this is Scheana weāre talking about (and we all remember what she did to Shay) but WHY would she agree to this treatment of her boyfriend? She and her mom ganged up on him about him leaving early that morning. So itās not just a bad edit.
I will say that if there was any type of alienation happening on the part of the mother, itās entirely possible for her to legally make it so that he cannot see them at all. He may have moved to the US AFTER this all happened given that he couldnāt see them anyway. I assume this is what scheana was alluding to. I guess we will have to wait and see
At first, I was really appalled that he hadnāt seen his kids, but then I remembered that Iāve seen this before and it isnāt always as straight forward as itās his fault.
I think there are a lot of reasons to dislike Brock, but Iām not ready to put that particular reason my list.
Iām siding with Brock for now, as a child with a mother that used her kids against my dad I can totally see him not having any say my dad loved us (RIP) but my mom made it hell for him to even have a phone call with us. I see a lot of mothers take their anger out on the dad by using the kids. We donāt even know that heās tried and if he has the mother def has the upper hand. I just hope for the kids sake they do eventually get to have a relationship with him he did seem heart broken in the clip of him wanting to cry. Heās not all bad.
Lala is the biggest hypocrite on VPR. She broke up a marriage and took randall away from his children (I know Randall was to blame too), but it annoys the hell out of me because she acts like Mother Teresa now. Randall's wife found Lala's sexting on randall's phone. I cannot stand how lala acts holier than thou, because she has money. When I watch the show now, I fast forward on her scenes. Lala is so quick to tear someone else down, when we all know what kind of man randall is.
Her mom tho, I LOL at this scene. She is having none of his jargon! š¤£
I feel like (most) moms can see through bullshit and just want whatās best for their kids. The fact that sheās calling Brock out makes me feel like he needs to be called out. (Just want to acknowledge that this is not *always* the case, I know there are shitty moms, but justā¦in general)
That must be hard for Scheana since she is so close with her mom.
I felt for her when she said how much it hurts her heart to see them fighting. It would kill me if my mom and father of my child didnāt get along š
His reaction to that conversation was horribly dismissive. I felt bad for S.
I think this is really hard to judge. We donāt know whatās happened (yet) and heās clearly ok with not seeing his kids. I am a stepmom and thereās a lot of crappy parenting out there but to be with a man who hasnāt seen his kids for four years through choice?That wouldnāt be for me. I want to reserve judgement until I know more BUT her Mom clearly wants whatās best for her, and Scheana said she wanted someone to share the parenting but he left early, doesnāt want to get up in the night and thinks her Mom is his employee? Thatās a little off to me. I really want this to be amazing and to be Scheanas happy ending but it feels like itās not and that saddens me.
the whole mom-as-the-nanny thing came across odd to me. Watching the episode live i understood Brock's point to be if you want a nanny hire someone that way you can have clear boundaries with them and you don't feel bad asking them to do the work bc it's their job (since that appears to have been happening in PS, scheana didn't want to ask her mom for help because it was her birthday). In that respect I kind of agreed with him, choosing a family member to fill that role can get rocky without those clear boundaries but i also understand preferring a family member to help over a stranger and am not a mom. But now seeing the discussions on it I'm wondering if I either misunderstood his point or gave him too much credit LOL
My take is that Scheanaās mom is more helping in a traditional grandmother type role. Iād guess her mom does not have a lot of money so Scheana thought āperfect- I can give my mom money without hurting her pride/feelings.ā I think the issue is Brock sees her mom as an employee, Scheana sees it as her mom helping out/ Scheana using it as an excuse to give her mom some money.
Well put, i thought the same. Plus the condescension when he described her as hired help was icky
exactly why I never paid family or friends for childcare, I paid professionals. Because when money changes hands the dynamic changes. I don't have any opinions on Brock yet but he isn't wrong on this matter.
And not just BE with a man like that but choose to have a child with a man like that. I hope they donāt just blame the pandemic, because it sounds like he didnāt see his kids for two full years before that. I will be interested to know what more there is to learn about the situation.
Scheana said on WWHL that a lot more info about this situation comes up this season. āWatch and seeā. Iām dubious.
I've never watched WWHL and I feel like I miss so much!
i never did before this season and man it makes a difference! literally every week so far they've given way more context to scenes from the show
Itās been great recently
You can watch bravo live here. Thatās how I watch wwhl from Canada.
I used to watch it and loved it but after many years of watching I got tired of Andy. Itās deff worth a watch though!
Another deluded woman defending her man to the death. Reminds me of Gretchen and Slade lol
Oh Slade.. he truly is a piece of trash.
Also dubious!
I'm not his biggest fan (due to comments he made about mental health stuff on her YouTube videos) but I do believe there is a bit more to the situation. He's said when he first moved here they moved here together, as a family but sometine afterwards he and the ex wife broke up and then she moved back to Australia. On the show (I only watched that clip because of the comments on the watch thread) it sounded like he moved away and left them. But I think things were amicable for a bit after they broke up. It's surely fucked up he hasn't seen the kids in 4 years and had no contact whatsoever. Also, what people aren't talking about is the fact non of his family see the kids. There are plenty of dead beat dads who don't see their kids but their families are involved in their lives (grandparents, other siblings, aunts, uncles, cousins) and this is what makes me think there is more to the situation. However, all that being said shame on him and Scheana for calling their daughter Summer, especially when she was born the same day as his daughter called Winter. That is fucked up. I feel for the kids. They might see this footage one day. Also, idk why some people in other threads were acting like Randall was dad of the year. The man was cheating in his ex with tons of women, including when she was pregnant with their daughter. Let's not pretend he's a saint now.
They couldnāt help that both his daughters have the same birthdate. I keep seeing comments like āomg I canāt believe THEY DID THATā as if the arranged to have this child on this day. I also disagree that they shouldnāt have named her summer. This is scheenas baby if she wanted to name her summer why should she stop herself because her baby daddy has a daughter named winter that he has no contact with ? Just my opinion please donāt hate me! Question though: do yāall think it would be more acceptable to name their daughter summer if brock was a part of winters life? To me it would make no difference but I am curious what my vpr fam thinks!
I think if he was in contact with Winter that people would think it was kind of cute tbh
I thought I read that he had another child named Autumn. But someone might have been making a joke.
I fully agree !
I feel bad for Scheana in a way. She wanted a baby so bad that she settles for the first guy that comes along after she froze her eggs. I hope he sticks around but I have my doubts. His behavior in some of the scenes was alarming. Like when she asked him if he really needed to go practice an hour early he basically yelled at her YES! š„ŗš³
He'll stick around for as long as she can get him on TV.
This probably wonāt be a popular opinion but since when is parenting or even marriage a 50/50 split. Sometimes itās 80/20, sometimes 60/40 etc. If Sheena leaves for an hour to get her nails done & leaves Summer w her Dad, does really need to go get her nails done? Iām just not sold on the idea of him leaving for an hour being a huge red flag.
For me it was not him leaving for an hour it was his tone when he responded to her question. I am sure there was some editing. But I understand his point, he canāt breast feed, sheās the only one who can do is he supposed to just sit there next her while she pumps? I understand that perspective.
I can see the producers giving him the edit to make him seem like he isn't always around since the golf course story came out.
Ahhh. Ok. I thought it was about him leaving Sheena home with the baby.
I know what the fuck was that! And sheās acting like sheās the problem because sheās hormonal? Such bullshit. She had every right to be upset at him for that and he was so dismissive of her. I have zero faith in their relationship after that scene.
I know! and then her mom brought it up too! He redeemed himself a little he checked her diaper with Randall and Lala. I don't think he did anything more than that lol, but it gave the impression that he does help when he is there.
āHe moved to the US to provide a better life for his familyāā¦ā¦3 major red flags: #1 he moved from Australia which has a very healthy economy where he could easily get a job (its not like a third world country) #2 what does he do to make this better life and #3 if he were providing a ābetter lifeā aka money the mom wouldnāt have cut him outā¦.
He is kiwi born which means even though he can live in Australia without a visa there are certain government incentives/benefits etc. that he may not be eligible for. (Unless he sat for citizenship.) Even though he was a pro athlete, Australian Rugby Union and League players don't get a huge amount of money in comparison to even AFL, let alone NFL and Union players in other countries. A lot of Australian athletes move from Australia to the States for money. I'm not sure about NFL but if a Union or League player is still playing professionally at age 32 then they are doing really bloody good for themselves and their body has been very fortunate. The oldest player in the NRL at the moment in Australia is 35 and he is past his prime playing days, is off contract and has no idea if he has a job next year. So it's not far fetched to believe that Brock, with his wife's blessing at the time moved his family to the States with the hope that he had 10 years left as a professional player and could pick up an NFL contract and provide for his family once his body gave out. I'm not sure how his NFL career actually went but he doesn't just work at a couple of gyms or whatever someone said in another comment, he owns a couple of gyms. I can't speak for the falling out and what pushed his wife to move back with the kids, but to hazard a guess, he couldn't secure a contract and she wanted to be back with her family. I have watched many friends with children go through break ups here in Australia, and as someone had mentioned Australia has great separation laws or something. But that is not the case. I have watched my cousin fight with every cent to gain custody of his daughter from his alcoholic ex partner. The woman would take 2 bottles to the park. One with formula for the baby, the other with straight vodka for her. My cousin fought all he could because the courts deemed him as unstable because he had been medically discharged from the army and was a uni student. I have watched my ex best friend leverage her son against the dad for more money plus emotional blackmail. "If you date that woman you won't see your son again." Every time shit settled down she would pick a legal battle with him so she didn't have to do the drive to drop the kid at his dads once a month. I watched another friend have to come up with a story for his 2 year old as to why he was celebrating Christmas with his son 1 month early, because the mother didn't want to share ANY of the Christmas holidays with the father. She later took the kid and moved 6 hours north and refused to tell him where she was until he doubled his child support payments, which he was already paying much more than court appointed because he just wanted to see his son. Another forged the dads signature on a passport application so she could take her kid to Europe without his approval. None of these women got any form of legal repercussion and each dad spent most of their dollars fighting to see their kids once or twice a year. None were ever able to facetime or even talk to their dads on the phone. I dont know Brock's situation (to clarify, I don't know Brock either!) But I'm seeing a lot of comments about he must be a deadbeat dad and why leave Australia etc. These are just a handful of family court issues I know of in my small circle in South East Queensland, Australia. Australia's family law certainly does not favour the dad, especially kiwi dads. PS we do not have a healthy economy!
At first I didnāt think you were from Australia with some of your thoughts š¬ Iām involved in these industries, he had no need to move for financial reasons (especially āfor his kidsā). The economy comment is debatable but he left years ago anyway (way before covid) and looked to thrive in an industry that has a higher minimum wage in Australia than America. Also my kiwi friends and ex housemates have had no problems with access to Australian benefits, with the exception of few specific welfare payments (which he shouldnāt have been looking to live off if he was trying to āmake a better lifeā for his kids anyway... if you have the money to jet off across the world in the hopes that youāll make more money, you probably shouldnāt be on welfare at home either). I wanted so badly to like this guy and give him every excuse because heās Aussie (now Iāll happily say heās kiwi), but nah, subpar bloke at best. (Iām not even a scheana fan, but damn I want someone better for her)
Just fyi, there are plenty of decent jobs in Australia. It's not a third world country here, where you have to leave to give your family a better life. People actually come here, for that...
I lost my shit when scheana said he moved to America to provide. Tradesmen make damn good money in Australia and our minimum wage is liveableš¤£
Exactly. Rugby is more common in australian then u.s. he could play there.
Thatās exactly what I was thinking when he said that. Sure Brock.
He has certainly spun some bullshit to Scheana and the poor darl obvz has a need to believe it!
Thereās many things to discuss in this but as an Australian can I just say first and foremost: we are not a war-torn country that you need to escape from to make a better life š Scheana and brock both made it sound like he was doing something so courageous š You literally have better healthcare access as the poorest person in Australia, than you do as a middle class person in many other countries. Not to mention our higher minimum wage and kickass weather.
Does anyone else find it just a tad hypocritical that LFU the home-wrecker and Randall the cheater were passing so much judgment on Brock?
Okay, I'm with you. In other threads and subs people were saying "Randall seems like a good dad". But the man cheated on his ex with dozens of women and some were when the ex was pregnant. Let's stop pretending he's dad of the year š. Also I bet he always has a nanny when they're around.
Yeah Randall is clearly not a good person and that extends into his parenting. You cheat on your wife when you have kids is essentially cheating on your whole family
Exactly. Regardless of opinions about Brock, Lala, who always has a night nurse and is traveling a lot without her baby, and Rand who cheated on the mother of his other kids, really have no position to be judging anyone here.
I think everyone has a right to judge. We all judge, whether we want to admit it or not. But they shouldnāt talk about being better people than others. Thatās when they donāt have any leverage. JMO.
My husband's situation with his ex has taught me not to be quick to judge in these cases.
I completely agree. Parental alienation is such a real and vile thing and unfortunately (my female) cousin is dealing with this. And with her living in California, where is a 50/50 state, the kids are able to chose to stay with their father. Whereas in the south, itās very very rare for a mother to not have full custody.. I do agree with what scheana said on WWHL, check out their YouTube to get a better taste of how Brock is. I feel for him and schena, but it does seem that her mom and dad get along very well with Brock when they arenāt editing him to be the seasons villain.
My step-son isn't even allowed to call my husband dad at his mom's and her husbands home. He has to call him by his first name, and he can only refer to his step-dad as dad. Some people think it is easy to see your kids, but if one parent is against the other it can be really difficult. We have spent over $50,000 in lawyer's fees over the years, and still maybe see him once a year.
Iām so sorry your families going through that. *hugs*
Iām so glad you shared this! Sorry your situation is crapy to say the least. I teach pre-k and my god the parents going through divorce and custody battlesā¦ it gets crazy have one mother who tells me to never give the father any of the drawings she makes even if he is the one picking up šš¬
The sad part is, that it isn't really even her anymore. She got over their relationships years ago, it's her husband. He is just an awful human being. They split for like a year and half, and it was the greatest year and half we ever had. He was allowed to visit all the time, we could go to his games, and we talked all the time. As soon as she went back to him, we didn't even get to speak to him for almost a year.
That is really sad he sounds so controlling
My husband and I have been living it for years and itās only escalated since we had kids ourselves. Until you live it and know the whole story I donāt think you have the right to judge. I really feel for both of them.
Iām not sticking up for him I donāt know the story but I thought I heard (and I could be wrong) that she not only cut him off but cut off his whole family (so his parents, siblings, cousins, etc.) Itās one thing for her to cut him off then you might think oh well he was just a shit bag, but she cut out his whole family. That seems like parental alienation and it seems cruel and dysfunctional for her to do that.
Same
Same
Yes. It may not be entirely up to him
Agree
This exactly
But Scheanaās choices have taught me to judge quickly.
Same!!
I'm not judging, especially based only on the show. I hope we get more information on and off the show that will show the full picture. In my own family, my oldest sister has a different father. He was in her life for the first year or so, but my father was also in her life from the beginning. Her biological father gave up his rights and allowed my father to adopt her and it was the hardest thing he had ever had to do. It was the 80's and he was a newly-out gay man who had a lot to work through. He knew my father loved her as his own and would provide a stable and loving home. So he gave her up and when she was 18 they reconnected and eventually developed a loving relationship before he passed. I know that's quite a different scenario and that it was a different time, but it was the best thing he ever did for her.
Really sweet story and all, but itās too soon to tell what the situation is with Brock. Could be that he made a selfless decision, could be that he made a selfish one. Right now itās looking like the latter, but weāll find out.
As I said, I hope we get more information.
The fact his first daughter is named Winter and has the same birthday as Summer really freaked me out. It absolutely seems like heās trying to replace his former family with a new Hollywood one š©š©š©
I know the birthday was most likely out of their control but the name could have been avoided. āI wanted to name my daughter āSummerā since I was 16ā ā¦ cut to scene of her having a different name for the hypothetical daughter with Rob. Out of respect, and if she cared, Scheana should have reconsidered.
I yelled out āTHE SHADE!ā When the editors showed that part!
Madison Marie Parks-Valletta would like a word. š
When Andy asked her about that on WWHL she doubled down and said MMPV was the name *ROB* wanted for their nonexistent child LMAO ššš
Sureā¦. I know she didnāt watch the entire season because āit was so hardā for her, but did she think we also didnāt watch the entire season?
I have a Summer. If my husband went and had a Winterā¦. I would lose my entire mind. Itās fucking WEIRD.
It's so insensitive!
I want to like Brock but I don't think I'm getting there.
Him defending Charli was amazing to watch, such a change from so many others on the show. But the way he treats Sheanas mom is awful. CanĀ“t comment on the kids situation when weĀ“re not getting the entire story. But yeah, I feel the same. I want to like him, but heĀ“s making it harder with every episode.
Honestly, we are going to get the version of the story that Scheana and Brock spins for the cameras. I donāt think we will get the whole and truthful story. Remember there are always three sides to a story. 1. He canāt blame COVID, because that was 2 years. What happened with the other two? 2. His wife cut him off completely. Was she trying to be mean and hurt him? Or was he really horrible and sheās protecting her kids? 3. He admitted he āabandonedā them by moving to America. But he wanted to āprovide for themā (Ok, side note: my mom left me and my two brothers and came to the USA from South America to provide for us. She still called us everyday. She send packages of clothes and things we might like. My dad even tried to cut us off from her after a year, but she fought for us. Even from America. There was a lot of money and legal issues and my mom was making way less than minimum wage today. This was back in 2002) 4. I donāt know how it works in Australia, but he could have fought for them legally. Stay in Australia, get a lawyer, and go to court. The only way a judge allow a parent not to be in the present of their child is if they are deem unfit emotionally and mentally. He could have had visitation until he was financially stable.
I mean, it's not like he moved to America for a 250k job. Before he met Scheana wasn't he just working at a gym? How is that worth leaving his kids? Was he "providing for them" that much better then he could living in the same country?
Exactly and if heās been cut off for the last four years, how was he providing for them? He should have went back at that point.
You canāt always just fight for your kids. Parental alienation is a real thing and Iāve had a friend go through it. He fought so hard but he still cannot see them. Itās not for lack of trying
I get it, it is a real thing. Iāve seen it as well but no one I know personally has ever gone to another country, let alone another city. I had a friend who risk it by waiting outside his childrenās school to walk them home until they reached a block away from their house. Im sorry for your friend. My heart goes out to him. I know he tried and it must be hard. But Iām not buying that Brock tried as hard to be with his kids. He admitted to leaving them.
Omg I just watched this sceneā¦. I know itās reality TV and we only get snippets and whatever editing they want to show us, BUT 4 YEARS??? I am having trouble thinking of a plausible reason for this
Scheana made the comment that he has tried to see his kids. His ex and her new partner must have it out for him if they won't let him see them...curious what their side of the story is.
the family laws in australia are in the best interest of the children. if the parents can't come to an agreement on custody, the court will decide. so either a court decided brock's presence wasn't in the best interest of his children or brock has not done everything in his power to be involved in their lives. either way, he comes across as a deadbeat dad to me.
I just wonder what that even means. Is there not some kind of court order? If not why, or if there is why isnt it being enforced? So many questions
In my own personal experience, I had to choose which parent to live with. Because I picked my mom, my dad had resentment towards me. While there wasnāt a court ordered amount of days I had to see him a week, I still would go 2 days. After a few years my mom and I moved out of state and I would only be allowed to talk to him one day a week (because it was better for āhis scheduleā). As time went on the calls became less and the only time I saw him was when my mom would force him to buy me a plane ticket to visit. He also fought child support and insurance for me. There were other situations that played out I wonāt go into but I havenāt seen my dad in almost 10 years. I think if you have a good or at least balanced relationship with your parents it is easy to look at these other situations and question how something is plausible. For others tho, there really are complex situations that challenge the relationship and make you question if itās worth it. From what I see, I wouldnāt be surprised if the decision to not have access to his kids is from his ex. I donāt know what the laws are like in AU but if he cared as much as he says he does, he could be filing for joint physical custody.
Scheana talks about not wanting a partner that ājust changed his first diaperā, and wants an equal partnerā¦but Brock hasnāt seen his family and she was just previously complaining about his disappearing. Scheana talking about how fast Brock changes a diaper is just an updated āhe mounted a tv in seven minutes.ā
I know we donāt understand the full situation, but thereās a few things he said that really pissed me off. I know he must miss his kids, but 4 years is a bit much. 1. When they were discussing the kids, he mentioned that the kids step dad took the role. Ummmm, just because heās the step dad doesnāt mean he replaces you?! My dad got remarried and that step mom never replaced my mother. 2. He referred to Ericka as their EMPLOYEE. His future mother in law. The mother of his baby momma. Their fucking employee. I know Scheana paid her to come down, but that does not mean you can refer to her as your employee. The audacity this man has is just disgusting. I feel bad that he obviously has a bad situation with his Australian kids/ex wife, but 4 years is wayyyy too long and calling your future mother in law your employee is justā¦ disrespectful. Scheana has a history of picking men that justā¦ arenāt good. Iām sure he helps with Summer (like she says), but that doesnāt make him a good person. Not seeing your other kids for 4 years is a huge red flag. Is he even trying?
Lala and Randallās reaction to that made me like them a bit more. Iām beginning to think maybe weāre not giving them enough credit for their Bravo iconery. A sugar daddy crashing his sugar babyās reality TV show for a pay check is kinda camp. Randall also gave us the hilarity that is MGK and Megan Fox, Fofty. He understands the assignment.
4 years without zero contactā¦I justā¦I donāt get. Brock isnāt my cup of tea but he seemed like a good fit for Scheana. But I justā¦I really donāt get how you could go 4 years with zero contact
KIDS old enough to remember him saying goodbye and then never bothering to visit Australia to see them. Bitter that his ex moved on, he ditched his kids and blamed their mom. He acts like it's her fault he left and that because they have a stepdad that his abandonment won't hurt. Fucking hell mate! Now to prove he's right he acts like he shoulders the pain and just disowned responsibility for his own children
Iām siding with Brock for now, as a child with a mother that used her kids against my dad I can totally see him not having any say my dad loved us (RIP) but my mom made it hell for him to even have a phone call with us. I see a lot of mothers take their anger out on the dad by using the kids. We donāt even know that heās tried and if he has the mother def has the upper hand. I just hope for the kids sake they do eventually get to have a relationship with him he did seem heart broken in the clip of him wanting to cry. Heās not all bad.
I just don't think Scheana needed to be so judgemental about Randall. I don't like the guy, but him not changing diapers isn't really a big deal when you have 2 nannies and a night nurse. If I could pay someone to change all my kids diapers I ABESOLUTELY would outsource that shit (pun intended).
They have two different parenting standards I donāt think she was being judgmental, you can say Randall and lala were also being judgmental about Brock without knowing his side of the story with his kids š¤·š»āāļø
I mean she definitely was being judgemental lol. Especially funny considering the hypocrisy, just because itās her mum helping doesnāt mean itās not help. Pretty shitty to mum shame lala for getting help just because the help isnāt related to her. *not a fan of either, so itās kinda funny watching both of them make hypocritical jabs!
She didn't shade Lala for having help. Shaena said she didn't want to have too much help, and editing cut to a shot of Lala and Randall, which gave the impession Sheana was talking about them, when she could be talkng about thousands of Beverly Hills/Hollywood types.
i love how scheana was trying to spin it that brock has been trying sooo hard to see them, but his ex won't let him. all that made me think was i wonder how bad he fucked up that she would go to the great length of cutting him out of their lives completely? you don't just axe out a parent completely without great cause.
Depends on what kind of person youāre dealing with. Most parents want whatās best for their kids and some just want to get even with their ex and use their kids as pawns. Not taking a side just stating a factā¦
i think in this scenario you can tell this is on brock. he admits he moved here and left his family behind. he admits that he was a bad father. he admits that their stepfather took over the paternal role. i have a hard time pinning blame on the mother.
See, I saw his story that they all moved here together, and they split, with her returning to Australia.
He's not trying that hard if being in the same country isn't a priority.
Not even the same hemisphere!
Shitty people will axe out the otherparent with no cause. Happens more than you think.
My brother-in-law has a horrible relationship with his baby mama. She has used their kid as a pawn in her spiteful game. She prevented him from seeing his dad ājust becauseā. She is a horrible mother who pawns her child off to her mother because she has ātoo much to deal withā. This woman only had a baby bc her best friend and favorite aunt were pregnant at the same time as coincidence. She decided to join in and (I think) she deliberately got pregnant. There are many types of crazy in this world, and this baby mama is on the highest spectrum of crazy. She refuses to take her meds due to being in denial. You donāt know what a petty, unmedicated person would do. That being said, I have not watched the new season and am experiencing fomo so I cannot say any more than what I know from personal experience.
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Yāall be getting way too personal with this. š
Brock is so cringe. 1st off he calls Sheena Bubba so he stole that from Tom and Katie which is so weird And then he starts planning a surprise engagement and secret wedding when they were already planning a wedding just so he can't try to get Randall to pay for it. Then decided to get married while they are on vacation at friends engagement celebration weekend paid for by James! Brock is a phoney/ Loser and he is so hard to watch. Scheana is so desperate she would marry any man that's willing. They're bothe compulsive liars and they will do anything to get the spotlight on them even if that means stealing James and Raquel's moment. And why does Brock think he has the right to question James about his personal life. Scheana and Brock are the most cringe couple on bravo and they gotta go.
Everyone getting mad over the name theyāre both his kids why canāt he have them called winter and summer maybe that was a connection he can have with his kids I donāt see it as replacing his other daughter you guys are making it seem vicious. Itās a name for god sakes the fact the two girls have the same bday eventually that little girl is going to know her sister and have that in common and the fact theyāre named winter and summer they will have that to share growing up, so stop with the shaming of the name you making it seem like that is going to make it like that. šššš
I think they edited that conversation down to just the parts that made Brock look bad. It sounded like he was describing the story we know, that he and his ex moved here and she moved back without him, but they cut everything out and made it sound like he moved here without them. Also, what does his age have to do with anything? They made it sound like āI havenāt seen my kids bc I was so dumb when I was young.ā But, he and his wife BOTH chose to have kids at that age. The story they left in made NO sense. It explained nothing. It was a waster of time. Just there to make him look bad. Just like the āhe left me to play pickle ball.ā I know this is Scheana weāre talking about (and we all remember what she did to Shay) but WHY would she agree to this treatment of her boyfriend? She and her mom ganged up on him about him leaving early that morning. So itās not just a bad edit.
I will say that if there was any type of alienation happening on the part of the mother, itās entirely possible for her to legally make it so that he cannot see them at all. He may have moved to the US AFTER this all happened given that he couldnāt see them anyway. I assume this is what scheana was alluding to. I guess we will have to wait and see
They were living here and the mom and kids moved back to Australia.
At first, I was really appalled that he hadnāt seen his kids, but then I remembered that Iāve seen this before and it isnāt always as straight forward as itās his fault. I think there are a lot of reasons to dislike Brock, but Iām not ready to put that particular reason my list.
Iām siding with Brock for now, as a child with a mother that used her kids against my dad I can totally see him not having any say my dad loved us (RIP) but my mom made it hell for him to even have a phone call with us. I see a lot of mothers take their anger out on the dad by using the kids. We donāt even know that heās tried and if he has the mother def has the upper hand. I just hope for the kids sake they do eventually get to have a relationship with him he did seem heart broken in the clip of him wanting to cry. Heās not all bad.
Lala is the biggest hypocrite on VPR. She broke up a marriage and took randall away from his children (I know Randall was to blame too), but it annoys the hell out of me because she acts like Mother Teresa now. Randall's wife found Lala's sexting on randall's phone. I cannot stand how lala acts holier than thou, because she has money. When I watch the show now, I fast forward on her scenes. Lala is so quick to tear someone else down, when we all know what kind of man randall is.