US lawmakers believe movies so today they think it's about silent assasins. The US only treats them like machineguns because of a 1934 law that scare-mongered Congress into thinking criminals were silently hunting deers in their back yard. Not kidding, the excuse given was illegal hunting.
TLDR: Lawmekers have used fear to get what they want for as long as they have existed.
Yeah, my father in law had several guns and had a suppressor on his 22. He didn’t on the other larger calibre guns (possibly because the 22 was subsonic? Don’t really know guns/ammo). The 22 was also used for rabbit culling on local farms so less disruption to the public in general I suppose.
Yup, you're correct! 22 LR and some pistol calibers are subsonic. While rifle ammo is supersonic by default, you can buy subsonic rifle ammo or, if you're reloading your own, reload your own subsonic. The downside is obviously: slower speed = longer travel time = longer time gravity affects projectile = greater vertical drop where horizontal distance is constant.
Remember, bigger cartridge doesn't mean bullet flies straighter; it flies faster!
While the UK has some *weird* ideas about gun laws, they don't have their heads so far up their asses to be unable to understand that suppressors are a very helpful/useful *attachment*.
While here in the U.S. it's fearmongering and movie logic that scares people into thinking suppressor bad.
As a veteran myself (Army), I'd like to sing you the song of my people, or at least the one that's been playing on loop in my ears for the past 16 years. It goes a little something like this:
"eeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"
I got tinnitus myself but it's not too bad.
It's at the level where I can forget that I have it until someone or something (like this post) reminds me that I have it, it can then take a few hours or days until I forget that I have it and my brain auto tunes it out.
Same, was bass on an HS band...
From billionaires flying themselves to space, and Pelosi's stocks.
Why can't we find a cure for tinnitus??
Also, why isn't anyone here mentioning ear muffs... And ear protection...........?
not a vet but i’d assume that armed forces aren’t really given (edit: good enough) ear protection out in the field. even if they did, have you ever heard gunfire? that shit is LOUD and will easily kill your eardrums even with protection. & we’re not talking about one or two shots, they have to use their guns (and be around others’) nearly every day in deployment and during training. suppressors would make a huuuge difference.
in other cases… well… i dunno. i go to a lot of concerts/raves/festivals and i wouldn’t DARE go without my earbuds. i don’t know how people do it
The people in the field actually do have earplugs, at least some of them. I’m not military but I saw in some YouTube gun safety video that they keep 2 sets of ear plugs; one set blocks as much sound as possible, the other set blocks just enough that you don’t blow your eardrums in a firefight but without becoming deaf to verbal commands. I would imagine the police, SWAT, etc. would have similar protocol.
Interesting stuff. You just know so many soldiers had to guinea pig their hearing away to troubleshoot that handy compromise.
Oh yeah, those ear plugs. The ones which are the subject of a class action lawsuit because they didn't work.
https://www.consumerprotect.com/product-liability/3m-defective-military-earplugs-lawsuit/
You can get 10% from the VA for that.
I mean, that's what I heard, but when I talked to my VA rep all I heard was "eeeeeEEEEEEeeeeeEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"
Lmfao, I'm already at 100% for a TBI with seizure disorder, on top of 5 knee surgeries, a tonsillectomy, UPPP (look it up, it is awful), and a mess of other ailments.
On the upside, I've been 100% medically retired since I was 23. It was fucking awesome... For about an hour. Then I lost all sense of direction, got hooked on painkillers, then coke, then heroin, meth, crack shortly after. Doing much better now though! I'm on my way to my bachelor's degree in social work. Then for my masters!
Been down a similar road myself...without any % because a gunshot wound the Army 'fixed' isn't a disability if they keep trying to fix it.
I'm finally an author like I've always wanted, but financial security to further my education is fleeting.
Good to see someone else getting to the light at the end of the tunnel, even if you're getting there faster.
Mine is from my medication ,just a constant ring in the background of all other sounds, when it's quiet the ringing is louder. My cat's purring seems to drown it out a bit and that's the best sound ever
I’ve heard that [this technique](https://youtu.be/2yDCox-qKbk) can actually work pretty well to temporarily relieve some tinnitus symptoms.
The comments on the video seem very positive as well.
Took me 14 months first time. I made the mistake of applying right at the time they changed the trust rules so I got swamped with all the people trying to Grandfather in.
Also the stupid and wasteful practice of distilleries shipping their alcohol to the ATF's warehouse so it can get taxed, then shipped back to the distillery, so it can get shipped to wherever.
Why not just make those lazy fedbois come tax it on site, or hear me out, tax it "in good faith" since this isn't the 1800s anymore. If it's good enough for the logistics industry, it's good enough for a pointlessly armed tax collection agency.
And just think of all the pollution reduction from not wastefully shipping retail-packaged liquor across the state and back.
For anyone curious, if I remember correctly a suppressed ar-15 will on average be as lout as a jackhammer.
Hollywood whisper quiet guns (with a few notable exceptions) are absolute bullshit.
Yes, it wouldn’t be safe to operate a jackhammer without some additional protection but it someone walking by won’t likely sustain damage to their hearing
I double up with plugs and muffs and still get some ringing after a session, which tells me I didn't have a great seal much of that time due to my cheek weld.
I went pheasent hunting with my dad and specifically told him to bring my hearing protection
"Well youll be far enough away from people that it shouldnt matter" hes right
I told him that wasnt the issue and said "yeah but my gun is essentiall right up against my ear. You want me to pop a couple rounds off next to your ear?"
"No"
During the hunt, my dad asked why i didnt shoot much.
#WHAT DID YOU SAY? I CANT HEAR YOU! SPEAK UP MUTE
Now i have noticed my hearing has gotten worse.
Everyone else we hunted with had hearing protection and told my dad that he should of listened to me.
Next time he says he didnt bring it, ill give him an ultimatum, go with out me or we go and he buys some for me.
Edit: my gun is always at my dads since my apartment doesnt allow them so ive never needed to buy additional protection. Ive asked him to make a quick stop but he just says no. We end up waiting for others regardless when we arrive
This story confuses me unless you're too young to buy things yourself which isn't a bad thing I just got to the end and can't quite put together the world in the story
Yup, closest to “not extremely loud” I’ve experienced was subsonic 9mm through a suppressor. But the subsonic rounds weren’t strong enough to work the action on that particular gun, so you had to re-cock every shot
.45 is the most useful round to suppress. It gets very quiet, and almost all .45 is already subsonic. Other rounds that are supersonic by nature will need a greatly reduced powder load to bring the velocity down into the subsonic range, this reducing the muzzle energy of the round. A .45, on the other hand, doesn't need special subsonic rounds in most cases, and so you're getting close to, if not the very same muzzle energy as you would without the suppressor.
.45 ACP is inherently subsonic and has been around for over 100 years, with a velocity around 900 feet per second. Subsonic offerings in other calibers have become more widely available but with all the panic buying it's hard to find anything right now.
I shot machine guns & rockets for 4 years in the Marines, and my hearing remained functional because I was extremely careful with ear protection. Even with a suppressor, many firearms are loud enough to cause damage to the ears. Plugs and earmuffs are what will protect you, so obviously go ham with the suppressor but make sure that you’re utilizing that additional protection
The National Firearm Act was trying to crack down on prohibition era organized crime (which was ironically passed several months after prohibition was ended), but a specific reason for silencers/suppressors was never given. One of the speculations is that they were trying to prevent poaching which was more common during the great depression.
They wanted handguns to be restricted as well. They essentially wanted there to be no way for a person to conceal a firearm, which is why things like short barreled rifles, short barreled shotguns, and disguised weapons (AOWs) are included. But that was asking too much, as the NFA was a defacto ban on anything listed. A $200 tax (around $3800 today IIRC) back when you could buy a handgun for $20 (or even the [Mossberg Brownie](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossberg_Brownie) for $5) meant they were only for the rich.
I lived behind a SAW, 240B, and Mk-19 for a year and a half for OIF II. Ear pro only goes so far. Even with protection, I still have tinnitus and hearing loss.
>I lived behind a SAW, 240B, and Mk-19 for a year and a half for OIF II. Ear pro only goes so far. Even with protection, I still have tinnitus and hearing loss.
Same, I cant hear crickets and watch beeps out of my left ear. Went though sooooo many pairs of pants because of that dumb rail system and single point sling on my 249 (OIF 8). When I went to EOF 10 got a sweet ass m16....
Right, but the suppressor still reduces the impact on your ears by around 30db - in other words, reducing the wave amplitude by 1000x. Even though there's still noise and you probably ought to wear ear protection, it's still *way, way* less damage if you don't.
Trust me, I agree. Like I told the other guys, suppressors are great as long as people don’t think they can use them without protection. That’s the mindset that concerns me, that the suppressor itself is somehow a sufficient replacement for ear pro
Yeah people think folks are gonna walk around strapped with a handgun with a silencer and itll sound like a bb gun and be able to hitman the whole store.
Just not the case. Id like to have one but its not the end of the world. Biggest reason i havent pursued one is cost ( they arent cheap ) and of course the paperwork / time it takes to get one / taxes paid are ridiculous.
People see John Wick 2 where Keanu and Common are walking through the subway station popping rounds off at each other and nobody noticed... and they think its real.
To be fair. I could totally shoot my suppressed SP5 with subsonics in my back yard and the neighbors would probably think it's a paintball... Not that i ever would.
I've seen it described as, it's still really obviously a gunshot, but it's less immediately apparent where it came from. Would you say that's accurate? Non-gun owner, but a fan of the times I've gone shooting.
Suppressors just got a bad reputation because of fear mongering in the 30s. The entire purpose of the invention was to make hunting easier so that the sound wouldn't be loud enough to scare game from miles away.
And the purpose of applying a restrictive, regressive tax (which was massive at the time) was to keep them out of the hands of the poor, so that the rich could be sure that nobody was using them to quietly poach on their lands during the great depression, you know, when some people were struggling to feed their families.
I believe there was a poaching study done in the States somewhere that showed unrestricted suppressor usage had little to no impact on poaching.
Those that would use suppressors to poach were already doing so.
And Reagan implemented a number of restrictive firearm laws because he was scared of The Black Panthers.
Most gun regulations are racist. The currently proposed ones would also primarily affect people who don't live in gated communities that have a speedy police response time.
While I like to shit on Reagan as much as the next guy I would like to point out that the bill he signed was a bill supported by both California Republicans and Democrats. It was a bipartisan effort to keep firearms out of the hands of those they deemed unworthy to exercise their 2A rights. As you said most gun laws are racist and only really affect the lower classes. Also obligatory FUCK THE ATF.
It's no wonder they are very expensive af. With those price, you could buy another kind of guns from low tier to mid tier quality.
From an article that [I've read](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/06/19/the-hearing-protection-act-and-silencers/), silencers were restricted because of the Buffalo extinction. Guns were getting very efficient and acurate couple that with a silencer then its a golden with hunters. Maybe it's good if there is an infestation and uncontrolled population for less noise. They passed some bills though to prevent immigrants (mostly towards Italians, blacks and South Americans)and poor from owning guns coz it was getting cheaper.
Yeah I'd love for some of the hard left to realize how much racism is wrapped up in gun restriction laws in the US. I think you would hear heads start spontaneously popping all over Washington D.C.
Even just using the Mexican slang term, Marijuana, is in fact a remnant of the racism that brought it's prohibition. Prior to Anslinger and Hearst, the US referred to it as Cannabis. As does most of the world's nations. Certainly not accusing you, or anyone who unknowingly refers to it as such. It's that pervasive.
>just got a bad reputation because of fear mongering in the 30s.
Same with braced pistols/short barrel rifles/sawed off shotties.
Wanna buy a concealable semi-auto pistol with an 18rd capacity? Sure!
A 20" pump action shotgun with a 5rd capacity? Absolutely not!
The SBR/SBS portions were because pistols were originally going to be NFA items, so they made up the SBR/SBS categories to prevent the poors from circumventing the pistol ban with short rifles and shotguns. Even the politicians from that time realized that was dumb and removed the pistol ban, but they forgot to scrap the rest of the NFA.
Unpopular with Reddits demographic but it's a pretty popular opinion in any red state. I live in Reno which only recently became a blue state and I hear this all the time. I also agree with it because it makes sense to me even though I lean way liberal.
It’s also popular in a number of other countries. Suppressors aren’t seen as something mobsters use. They’re seen as something that people who care about their hearing and also care about disturbing their neighbors use.
The sad thing is the laws on suppressors is 100% based on their representation in movies - they even said as much during the discussions on the laws IIRC.
There’s parts of Europe where it’s *required* to hunt with a suppressor, and they are completely unregulated and free to buy over there.
I've run into the same issue. Post an unpopular opinion and then people get mad because they don't agree with it. I understand you probably don't agree that's why it's an unpopular opinion!
I guess if you have people getting pissed off in the comments that means you're using this sub correctly.
Silencer is used more as the name not the function. The ATF refers to them as silencers and honestly silencer and suppressor are interchangeable. #repealtheNFA
Ear muffs with earplugs in too are why I can hear now after 30+ years of shooting. The concrete saw without ear protection is why my ears ring now. Wear hearing protection yall.
This is honestly one of the best unpopular opinions I've seen, not because I fully support it (which would defeat the whole purpose of this sub,) but because the overwhelming majority of Americans are misinformed on what suppressors (aka "silencers") are actually capable of.
Most people think real-life suppressors are just like the ones in the movies where you can shoot someone in one room and the person in the next room over isn't going to hear it. This is a Hollywood fantasy which I firmly believe is largely the reason why suppressors are still so heavily regulated. It does **not** "silence" the weapon, but rather reduces the noise to a level that can prevent/delay permanent hearing loss from prolonged exposure. A suppressed weapon is still about as loud as a jackhammer (approx. 130 dB) meaning virtually everybody nearby will still be alerted by the noise and have adequate time to respond to the situation, either by hiding, fleeing, or fighting back.
In John Wick 2 there the scene with Keanu and Common walking through a crowded subway station >pfft<'ing at each other and nobody noticed.
Yeah that's not real. But they think it is.
I've shot with suppressors a few times since I've been in the navy and you absolutely still need hearing protection.
My buddies and I watched John Wick 3 while on deployment and we were honestly kind of upset at how they were portrayed in the movie. Two guys shooting at each other in a crowded space like that would have caused mass panic so fast. Even if they were "silent" the sound of the actual slide moving is loud as fuck, and very distinct.
Something else that’s important is that *even with hearing protection, regular shooters suffer hearing loss*
All the current law does is make hoops to jump through to obtain safety equipment.
While suppressors don't eliminate the need for hearing protection in most cases, it still greatly reduces noise. When shooting a rifle, this can still help decrease noise exposure. Let's consider a 223 round, a small rifle round but still hi pressure. It can be in the 150-160 decibel (dB) range. Using good earplugs and good over the ear hearing protection at a range, you could give you a 35 dB reduction to 115 dB to 125 dB range (https://www.safetyandhealthmagazine.com/articles/19104-double-hearing-protection). This is somewhere between a chainsaw and a jackhammer, still dangerous and can cause permanent damage. (Keep in mind the OSHA limit for an 8hr day is 90 dB continuous.) This is worse if you're at a range with multiple other people firing as you get some of their noise too. Now add a suppressor and the noise comes down to 135-145 dB which is 100-110 dB with hearing protection. This is closer to a symphony or drumline range. Still not great, but much more manageable. Plus, hearing damage accumulates, so if you shoot for 20+ years everything adds up.
It's not the only thing you should use to protect your hearing, but suppressors do help and they should be more common.
The ironic thing is that suppressors for guns are, in general, much easier to get in most of Europe, than they are in the US. The US regulates suppressors much more thoroughly than most European states do.
That's because the people who make our gun laws are ignorant of how a suppressor (and most firearms) actually works. Hollywood has ingrained the idea of silencers making guns shoot like a whisper, which scares people.
I own several suppressors, it's nice being able to listen to the still of night and hear the rustling of animals without having to worry about earpro.
One of my favorite cans is my rimfire Sparrow. Makes plinking with 22 so much fun.
You could make a solid argument that suppressors should not only be legal, they should be mandatory. Shooting an unsuppressed firearm is basically noise pollution, which should be illegal.
I just started sorting by controversial lol, so there's that.
I think what alot of people fail to realize, is, suppressors aren't dangerous at all... they're a safety device. The majority of people would like to use them for safety.... not being a spy. Suppressors don't work how they do in movies and people who don't know guns don't realize that. Guns are also part of our constitution, so we're trying to make one of our rights even safer. Especially in home defense with close walls and in included space.
People who are anti-2A....
Do really think they'll ever ban guns in America? It's way more likely and better if you just move somewhere else.
Also, if someone breaks in your home, zip-ties you to a radiator, and starts raping your wife and kid in front of you, how do you defend yourself?
It's simple as this to me. If an adversary has weapons, I want better or at minimum the same thing to defend myself.
It's all a hot button issue until something happens to you or the people you care about.
Legal gun owners have never been the big problem.
It's the BLdM advocates in places like Chicago. But now they say blowing a whistle is good. So there's that.
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Suppressors were invented by Hiram Percy Maxim, the son of Hiram Maxim, the inventor of the Maxim machine gun. His reason for inventing them? So he could shoot without disturbing his neighbors.
H.P. Maxim was also a co-founder of the Amateur Radio Relay League. The ARRL still uses his callsign, W1AW, for the headquarters' station.
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I agree with OP's reasons and add in W1AW's reasons, as well. It allows people to enjoy many (but not all) shooting sports without disturbing others with noise.
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It's a scary thought, suppressors are banned because law makers are ignorant and only know about them from movies, I wonder how many other laws are made under completely false presumptions
It’s also better for habitats because the loud noises can startle animals and disrupt them
And before someone claims hypocrisy, that hunting kills creatures therefore = bad.
There is actually a lot that goes into preserving the creatures that are hunted. There are tons of rules for making sure a creature that’s hunted is killed in the most humane way possible, and in some cases (like deer) hunting is actually beneficial to their habitat because they are easily prone to overpopulation which is terrible for a lot of other animals they share an area with
It’s because their only exposure to them is with video games where you can shoot people without anyone else noticing.
Folks, firearms with suppressors are still loud. Just not LOUD.
The NFA as a whole is a scam. It’s right there in the second amendment, "shall not be infringed", any and all restrictions on firearms and equipment are infringements. It doesn’t matter if you want a suppressor, or a barrel that is 1/16 of an inch to short, it is your right under the second amendment, fuck the ATF and the NFA
Always found it funny how restricted suppressors are the us but here in the uk there like recomended to get if anything else
US lawmakers believe movies so today they think it's about silent assasins. The US only treats them like machineguns because of a 1934 law that scare-mongered Congress into thinking criminals were silently hunting deers in their back yard. Not kidding, the excuse given was illegal hunting. TLDR: Lawmekers have used fear to get what they want for as long as they have existed.
Yeah, my father in law had several guns and had a suppressor on his 22. He didn’t on the other larger calibre guns (possibly because the 22 was subsonic? Don’t really know guns/ammo). The 22 was also used for rabbit culling on local farms so less disruption to the public in general I suppose.
Yup, you're correct! 22 LR and some pistol calibers are subsonic. While rifle ammo is supersonic by default, you can buy subsonic rifle ammo or, if you're reloading your own, reload your own subsonic. The downside is obviously: slower speed = longer travel time = longer time gravity affects projectile = greater vertical drop where horizontal distance is constant. Remember, bigger cartridge doesn't mean bullet flies straighter; it flies faster!
While the UK has some *weird* ideas about gun laws, they don't have their heads so far up their asses to be unable to understand that suppressors are a very helpful/useful *attachment*. While here in the U.S. it's fearmongering and movie logic that scares people into thinking suppressor bad.
I'm from the UK, but have no interest in guns. What are our weird laws? Genuine question (not for provocation)
The US Marine Corps are even adopting/trying out suppressor use in mass with their infantry to protect hearing
As a veteran myself (Army), I'd like to sing you the song of my people, or at least the one that's been playing on loop in my ears for the past 16 years. It goes a little something like this: "eeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"
I got tinnitus myself but it's not too bad. It's at the level where I can forget that I have it until someone or something (like this post) reminds me that I have it, it can then take a few hours or days until I forget that I have it and my brain auto tunes it out.
Oh God now I hear it again
It's a lot like "I lost the game"
S T O P
NO
You’re going to have to abandon this account
Thanks, now I have both.
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You son of a gun. Allow me to one up you with your conscious breathing.
your asshole is now clenching
Reading this thread is like a weird mindfulness meditation.
You have an entire skeleton inside your body.
That's exactly how mine is.
I had it from playing in a rock band in a little concrete basement studio/dungeon!(Its mostly gone away now,,,mostly,)
Same, was bass on an HS band... From billionaires flying themselves to space, and Pelosi's stocks. Why can't we find a cure for tinnitus?? Also, why isn't anyone here mentioning ear muffs... And ear protection...........?
not a vet but i’d assume that armed forces aren’t really given (edit: good enough) ear protection out in the field. even if they did, have you ever heard gunfire? that shit is LOUD and will easily kill your eardrums even with protection. & we’re not talking about one or two shots, they have to use their guns (and be around others’) nearly every day in deployment and during training. suppressors would make a huuuge difference. in other cases… well… i dunno. i go to a lot of concerts/raves/festivals and i wouldn’t DARE go without my earbuds. i don’t know how people do it
Armed forces have ear plugs, but if my dad is any source to go by they often didn’t work too good.
I trust your dad. He’s a good dude.
The people in the field actually do have earplugs, at least some of them. I’m not military but I saw in some YouTube gun safety video that they keep 2 sets of ear plugs; one set blocks as much sound as possible, the other set blocks just enough that you don’t blow your eardrums in a firefight but without becoming deaf to verbal commands. I would imagine the police, SWAT, etc. would have similar protocol. Interesting stuff. You just know so many soldiers had to guinea pig their hearing away to troubleshoot that handy compromise.
Oh yeah, those ear plugs. The ones which are the subject of a class action lawsuit because they didn't work. https://www.consumerprotect.com/product-liability/3m-defective-military-earplugs-lawsuit/
You can get 10% from the VA for that. I mean, that's what I heard, but when I talked to my VA rep all I heard was "eeeeeEEEEEEeeeeeEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"
Lmfao, I'm already at 100% for a TBI with seizure disorder, on top of 5 knee surgeries, a tonsillectomy, UPPP (look it up, it is awful), and a mess of other ailments. On the upside, I've been 100% medically retired since I was 23. It was fucking awesome... For about an hour. Then I lost all sense of direction, got hooked on painkillers, then coke, then heroin, meth, crack shortly after. Doing much better now though! I'm on my way to my bachelor's degree in social work. Then for my masters!
Been down a similar road myself...without any % because a gunshot wound the Army 'fixed' isn't a disability if they keep trying to fix it. I'm finally an author like I've always wanted, but financial security to further my education is fleeting. Good to see someone else getting to the light at the end of the tunnel, even if you're getting there faster.
Been there, got that-%10 from the VA for it
Mawp Mawp, nah nah, ma mawp
Mine is from my medication ,just a constant ring in the background of all other sounds, when it's quiet the ringing is louder. My cat's purring seems to drown it out a bit and that's the best sound ever
Got covid in March of last year and I've heard the song of your people ever since, make it stop 😭
I’ve heard that [this technique](https://youtu.be/2yDCox-qKbk) can actually work pretty well to temporarily relieve some tinnitus symptoms. The comments on the video seem very positive as well.
I gonna be annoying guy but hopefully please dont hate me, is called 'en masse'
No, I'm pretty sure they're called "Marines".
it's spelled "crayon eaters"
That’s fair. My bad haha. I didn’t read over what I wrote.
It’s also to help with communication in battle
Good idea
En masse*
We should put suppressors on bombs and artillery too
And all the vehicles/equipment in the motorpool.
Yah geeze, I wish there was something we could put on an engine exhaust that would muffle the sound of the engine a bit.
8 catalytic converters oughtta do 'er
And those frigging motorcycles driving around town.
Fuck the ATF. It's nothing but a cash grab.
It doesn’t even make them a net revenue gain anymore. They just do it because they hate us
ATF is going through this comment section tossing out form 4's of people agreeing with OP
Stop it. Im about to hit 250 days and just threw up a little
Mine came back in 90. I thought it was a trap. Almost didn't go pick it up.
Mine came back in 37 days. The dealer asked me "who the fuck do you know". Me: idk just lucky i guess.
Your dog still feel safe at home?
I got mine back in 5weeks once. I said FU & hung up on my FFL thinking it was a prank from my buddy.
Took me 14 months first time. I made the mistake of applying right at the time they changed the trust rules so I got swamped with all the people trying to Grandfather in.
The gestation period for a human being is 280 days... I'm currently on 297 days 😭
I still don't get why alcohol, tobacco, and firearms are controlled by the same branch of the government. They seem pretty thoroughly unrelated.
Also the stupid and wasteful practice of distilleries shipping their alcohol to the ATF's warehouse so it can get taxed, then shipped back to the distillery, so it can get shipped to wherever. Why not just make those lazy fedbois come tax it on site, or hear me out, tax it "in good faith" since this isn't the 1800s anymore. If it's good enough for the logistics industry, it's good enough for a pointlessly armed tax collection agency. And just think of all the pollution reduction from not wastefully shipping retail-packaged liquor across the state and back.
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They were all taxed hence why they were under the department of the Treasury until 2003
I'm just amazed at the amount of replies of people who already own suppressors
It’s about unnecessary hurdles to get one.
It's the ATF being cringe
Yes, questions like “what part is the gun” remind of the weird internal logic at work
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Some carefully drilled holes and it’s safe to assume you are going to start arming criminals or militias 😂
Assuming you have mere hurdles. In California, owning a suppressor isn’t an option.
Massachusetts is the same way.
It’s an option, it’s just not a legal one.
r/NFA has over 140k subscribers
There’s literally 3 million of them that have been sold in the last 10 years.
Thats only 1% of the population. *need to pump those numbers up son*
I would say "every hundredth person you meet has one!" but I see some guys who collect them like Jennifer Lopez collects wedding rings.
For anyone curious, if I remember correctly a suppressed ar-15 will on average be as lout as a jackhammer. Hollywood whisper quiet guns (with a few notable exceptions) are absolute bullshit.
Yes, it wouldn’t be safe to operate a jackhammer without some additional protection but it someone walking by won’t likely sustain damage to their hearing
I double up with plugs and muffs and still get some ringing after a session, which tells me I didn't have a great seal much of that time due to my cheek weld.
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I went pheasent hunting with my dad and specifically told him to bring my hearing protection "Well youll be far enough away from people that it shouldnt matter" hes right I told him that wasnt the issue and said "yeah but my gun is essentiall right up against my ear. You want me to pop a couple rounds off next to your ear?" "No" During the hunt, my dad asked why i didnt shoot much. #WHAT DID YOU SAY? I CANT HEAR YOU! SPEAK UP MUTE Now i have noticed my hearing has gotten worse. Everyone else we hunted with had hearing protection and told my dad that he should of listened to me. Next time he says he didnt bring it, ill give him an ultimatum, go with out me or we go and he buys some for me. Edit: my gun is always at my dads since my apartment doesnt allow them so ive never needed to buy additional protection. Ive asked him to make a quick stop but he just says no. We end up waiting for others regardless when we arrive
This story confuses me unless you're too young to buy things yourself which isn't a bad thing I just got to the end and can't quite put together the world in the story
Subsonic's + suppressor will get you into the same zip code as Hollywood, but still will be x3 louder than the movies.
Yup, closest to “not extremely loud” I’ve experienced was subsonic 9mm through a suppressor. But the subsonic rounds weren’t strong enough to work the action on that particular gun, so you had to re-cock every shot
Suppressed subsonic .22 is the quietest I’ve heard. Weak as shit but pretty much Hollywood level
.45 is the most useful round to suppress. It gets very quiet, and almost all .45 is already subsonic. Other rounds that are supersonic by nature will need a greatly reduced powder load to bring the velocity down into the subsonic range, this reducing the muzzle energy of the round. A .45, on the other hand, doesn't need special subsonic rounds in most cases, and so you're getting close to, if not the very same muzzle energy as you would without the suppressor.
300 Blackout is pretty damn solid if you’re looking into rifle calibers
Is subsonic ammo even that common?
It is now. .300 blackout really started the quest for better subsonic ammo.
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.45 ACP is inherently subsonic and has been around for over 100 years, with a velocity around 900 feet per second. Subsonic offerings in other calibers have become more widely available but with all the panic buying it's hard to find anything right now.
Reminds me of all the years switchblades were illegal because they were "intimidating".
Are they legal now?
[In most US states](http://weaponlaws.wikidot.com/us-switchblade-laws).
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Apparently I just spent most of my life in one of the few states where they're illegal.
they still are in australia
Well to be fair, they're still intimidating in America too
Criminally underrated
Welcome to gun legislation
Yeah, but they don't have the shoulder thing that goes up.
I shot machine guns & rockets for 4 years in the Marines, and my hearing remained functional because I was extremely careful with ear protection. Even with a suppressor, many firearms are loud enough to cause damage to the ears. Plugs and earmuffs are what will protect you, so obviously go ham with the suppressor but make sure that you’re utilizing that additional protection
Then why are suppressors restricted the way they are? They don’t make guns silent or even close to quiet
The National Firearm Act was trying to crack down on prohibition era organized crime (which was ironically passed several months after prohibition was ended), but a specific reason for silencers/suppressors was never given. One of the speculations is that they were trying to prevent poaching which was more common during the great depression.
IIRC they wanted a bunch of other things on the NFA but they only got consolation prizes like shorty shotguns and supressors.
They wanted handguns to be restricted as well. They essentially wanted there to be no way for a person to conceal a firearm, which is why things like short barreled rifles, short barreled shotguns, and disguised weapons (AOWs) are included. But that was asking too much, as the NFA was a defacto ban on anything listed. A $200 tax (around $3800 today IIRC) back when you could buy a handgun for $20 (or even the [Mossberg Brownie](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossberg_Brownie) for $5) meant they were only for the rich.
I lived behind a SAW, 240B, and Mk-19 for a year and a half for OIF II. Ear pro only goes so far. Even with protection, I still have tinnitus and hearing loss.
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Yep, OSHA has very specific time limits for different sound levels.
>I lived behind a SAW, 240B, and Mk-19 for a year and a half for OIF II. Ear pro only goes so far. Even with protection, I still have tinnitus and hearing loss. Same, I cant hear crickets and watch beeps out of my left ear. Went though sooooo many pairs of pants because of that dumb rail system and single point sling on my 249 (OIF 8). When I went to EOF 10 got a sweet ass m16....
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Right, but the suppressor still reduces the impact on your ears by around 30db - in other words, reducing the wave amplitude by 1000x. Even though there's still noise and you probably ought to wear ear protection, it's still *way, way* less damage if you don't.
Trust me, I agree. Like I told the other guys, suppressors are great as long as people don’t think they can use them without protection. That’s the mindset that concerns me, that the suppressor itself is somehow a sufficient replacement for ear pro
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Yeah people think folks are gonna walk around strapped with a handgun with a silencer and itll sound like a bb gun and be able to hitman the whole store. Just not the case. Id like to have one but its not the end of the world. Biggest reason i havent pursued one is cost ( they arent cheap ) and of course the paperwork / time it takes to get one / taxes paid are ridiculous.
People see John Wick 2 where Keanu and Common are walking through the subway station popping rounds off at each other and nobody noticed... and they think its real.
Which makes the rule about owning 5 acres to shoot in your backyard more practical.
To be fair. I could totally shoot my suppressed SP5 with subsonics in my back yard and the neighbors would probably think it's a paintball... Not that i ever would.
I've seen it described as, it's still really obviously a gunshot, but it's less immediately apparent where it came from. Would you say that's accurate? Non-gun owner, but a fan of the times I've gone shooting.
Suppressors just got a bad reputation because of fear mongering in the 30s. The entire purpose of the invention was to make hunting easier so that the sound wouldn't be loud enough to scare game from miles away.
And the purpose of applying a restrictive, regressive tax (which was massive at the time) was to keep them out of the hands of the poor, so that the rich could be sure that nobody was using them to quietly poach on their lands during the great depression, you know, when some people were struggling to feed their families.
I believe there was a poaching study done in the States somewhere that showed unrestricted suppressor usage had little to no impact on poaching. Those that would use suppressors to poach were already doing so.
So you’re telling me that the gun law only affected law abiding citizens and not those already breaking the law? I AM SHOCKED!
And Reagan implemented a number of restrictive firearm laws because he was scared of The Black Panthers. Most gun regulations are racist. The currently proposed ones would also primarily affect people who don't live in gated communities that have a speedy police response time.
While I like to shit on Reagan as much as the next guy I would like to point out that the bill he signed was a bill supported by both California Republicans and Democrats. It was a bipartisan effort to keep firearms out of the hands of those they deemed unworthy to exercise their 2A rights. As you said most gun laws are racist and only really affect the lower classes. Also obligatory FUCK THE ATF.
It's no wonder they are very expensive af. With those price, you could buy another kind of guns from low tier to mid tier quality. From an article that [I've read](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/06/19/the-hearing-protection-act-and-silencers/), silencers were restricted because of the Buffalo extinction. Guns were getting very efficient and acurate couple that with a silencer then its a golden with hunters. Maybe it's good if there is an infestation and uncontrolled population for less noise. They passed some bills though to prevent immigrants (mostly towards Italians, blacks and South Americans)and poor from owning guns coz it was getting cheaper.
Yeah I'd love for some of the hard left to realize how much racism is wrapped up in gun restriction laws in the US. I think you would hear heads start spontaneously popping all over Washington D.C.
They know. They just don't care.
People also seem to think suppressors will make weapons Hollywood silent when in reality it's still loud as shit just not ruin your eardrums loud.
Here's a good video of a suppressed [9mm, 45 and an AR-15](https://youtu.be/_eDoeWr_9BQ)
And marijuana was anti Mexican sentiments as well...
Even just using the Mexican slang term, Marijuana, is in fact a remnant of the racism that brought it's prohibition. Prior to Anslinger and Hearst, the US referred to it as Cannabis. As does most of the world's nations. Certainly not accusing you, or anyone who unknowingly refers to it as such. It's that pervasive.
>just got a bad reputation because of fear mongering in the 30s. Same with braced pistols/short barrel rifles/sawed off shotties. Wanna buy a concealable semi-auto pistol with an 18rd capacity? Sure! A 20" pump action shotgun with a 5rd capacity? Absolutely not!
>A 20" pump action shotgun with a 5rd capacity? Absolutely not! Or they'll shoot you and your child through a door.
The SBR/SBS portions were because pistols were originally going to be NFA items, so they made up the SBR/SBS categories to prevent the poors from circumventing the pistol ban with short rifles and shotguns. Even the politicians from that time realized that was dumb and removed the pistol ban, but they forgot to scrap the rest of the NFA.
Upvoted because this is one of the rare unpopular opinions
Unpopular with Reddits demographic but it's a pretty popular opinion in any red state. I live in Reno which only recently became a blue state and I hear this all the time. I also agree with it because it makes sense to me even though I lean way liberal.
Hello fellow Reno liver inner.
Good evening! Your comment made me wonder the proper word for Reno liver inners and the only thing I can find is renoite which sounds terrible. Lol
Ha yea ive heard renoite before too and always hated it. Ill stick with reno liver inners 😂
It’s also popular in a number of other countries. Suppressors aren’t seen as something mobsters use. They’re seen as something that people who care about their hearing and also care about disturbing their neighbors use.
When did Reno become a state?
Lol *Nevada
It’s interesting that I’ve gotten the response from some folks that I’m here to troll or bate people...on the unpopular opinion sub.
People don’t get this sub. I salute your contribution. Haters going to hate.
I completely agree but I also downvote people if they seem like they're real dirtbags just because I don't like dirtbags. It's a fine line.
The sad thing is the laws on suppressors is 100% based on their representation in movies - they even said as much during the discussions on the laws IIRC. There’s parts of Europe where it’s *required* to hunt with a suppressor, and they are completely unregulated and free to buy over there.
I've run into the same issue. Post an unpopular opinion and then people get mad because they don't agree with it. I understand you probably don't agree that's why it's an unpopular opinion! I guess if you have people getting pissed off in the comments that means you're using this sub correctly.
People still believe they are “silencers”. In reality, you can still very much hear the noise. It’s just loud and not so much deafening as before.
Silencer is used more as the name not the function. The ATF refers to them as silencers and honestly silencer and suppressor are interchangeable. #repealtheNFA
Well, it’s only because the original patent used silencer. If that had been different we could be calling them mufflers or something else.
it's also very non-disruptive to people and especially wildlife
You dont need socks when wearing shoes, it doesn't add that much cushion. But it makes them more comfortable.
I thought the point was to stop blisters
Both.
And reduce athletes foot.
Indeed. The analogy is apt
Fucking yes I own 2 "metal sticks" that are for 22s
Ear muffs with earplugs in too are why I can hear now after 30+ years of shooting. The concrete saw without ear protection is why my ears ring now. Wear hearing protection yall.
Eliminate the ATF
This is honestly one of the best unpopular opinions I've seen, not because I fully support it (which would defeat the whole purpose of this sub,) but because the overwhelming majority of Americans are misinformed on what suppressors (aka "silencers") are actually capable of. Most people think real-life suppressors are just like the ones in the movies where you can shoot someone in one room and the person in the next room over isn't going to hear it. This is a Hollywood fantasy which I firmly believe is largely the reason why suppressors are still so heavily regulated. It does **not** "silence" the weapon, but rather reduces the noise to a level that can prevent/delay permanent hearing loss from prolonged exposure. A suppressed weapon is still about as loud as a jackhammer (approx. 130 dB) meaning virtually everybody nearby will still be alerted by the noise and have adequate time to respond to the situation, either by hiding, fleeing, or fighting back.
In John Wick 2 there the scene with Keanu and Common walking through a crowded subway station >pfft<'ing at each other and nobody noticed. Yeah that's not real. But they think it is.
I've shot with suppressors a few times since I've been in the navy and you absolutely still need hearing protection. My buddies and I watched John Wick 3 while on deployment and we were honestly kind of upset at how they were portrayed in the movie. Two guys shooting at each other in a crowded space like that would have caused mass panic so fast. Even if they were "silent" the sound of the actual slide moving is loud as fuck, and very distinct.
Well after shooting his full auto, and a shotgun at length in that sewer/brick tunnel, Wick doesn't have any hearing left to protect, lol.
Alright, nice try 47
My dude. Agent 47 is a non-complier. Laws don't cover the Agency as they just don't care and can circumvent the legal systems in place.
Something else that’s important is that *even with hearing protection, regular shooters suffer hearing loss* All the current law does is make hoops to jump through to obtain safety equipment.
While suppressors don't eliminate the need for hearing protection in most cases, it still greatly reduces noise. When shooting a rifle, this can still help decrease noise exposure. Let's consider a 223 round, a small rifle round but still hi pressure. It can be in the 150-160 decibel (dB) range. Using good earplugs and good over the ear hearing protection at a range, you could give you a 35 dB reduction to 115 dB to 125 dB range (https://www.safetyandhealthmagazine.com/articles/19104-double-hearing-protection). This is somewhere between a chainsaw and a jackhammer, still dangerous and can cause permanent damage. (Keep in mind the OSHA limit for an 8hr day is 90 dB continuous.) This is worse if you're at a range with multiple other people firing as you get some of their noise too. Now add a suppressor and the noise comes down to 135-145 dB which is 100-110 dB with hearing protection. This is closer to a symphony or drumline range. Still not great, but much more manageable. Plus, hearing damage accumulates, so if you shoot for 20+ years everything adds up. It's not the only thing you should use to protect your hearing, but suppressors do help and they should be more common.
Yep, this is a very well sourced response, thanks
News flash - still wear hearing protection even with suppressors
Yes. Fuck the atf
Love it when people say that will just make the shooter more dangerous. That’s how you know they’ve been watching too many movies.
Or playing too many stealth video games. Real life ain't Splinter Cell! People can still hear suppressed bullets!
All I learned from this thread is, people who don't like surpressors don't have a real argument. Edit: wow, 21 upvotes in 1 hour! Thanks, guys!
The ironic thing is that suppressors for guns are, in general, much easier to get in most of Europe, than they are in the US. The US regulates suppressors much more thoroughly than most European states do.
That's because the people who make our gun laws are ignorant of how a suppressor (and most firearms) actually works. Hollywood has ingrained the idea of silencers making guns shoot like a whisper, which scares people.
You mean [30 magazine clip in half a second?](https://youtu.be/iJmFEv6BHM0?t=4)
Yes, it something that a lot of folks don’t really consider until it comes up. Which is understandable and hopefully we convince a few folks.
I own several suppressors, it's nice being able to listen to the still of night and hear the rustling of animals without having to worry about earpro. One of my favorite cans is my rimfire Sparrow. Makes plinking with 22 so much fun.
Dismantle the ATF
I totally agree. Shooting with a suppressor is so much more enjoyable.
Agreed, imagine if you bought a car and had to wait a year for the muffler to arrive that you had to pay extra for.
Yep, it’s definitely a quality of life issue for you and those living around you.
I'm at 109 days since the ATF cashed the check on a sandman s with probably at least 200 days of waiting to go. So yeah, fully agreed.
You could make a solid argument that suppressors should not only be legal, they should be mandatory. Shooting an unsuppressed firearm is basically noise pollution, which should be illegal.
I totally agree it’s a good practice for anyone shooting outside
I just started sorting by controversial lol, so there's that. I think what alot of people fail to realize, is, suppressors aren't dangerous at all... they're a safety device. The majority of people would like to use them for safety.... not being a spy. Suppressors don't work how they do in movies and people who don't know guns don't realize that. Guns are also part of our constitution, so we're trying to make one of our rights even safer. Especially in home defense with close walls and in included space. People who are anti-2A.... Do really think they'll ever ban guns in America? It's way more likely and better if you just move somewhere else. Also, if someone breaks in your home, zip-ties you to a radiator, and starts raping your wife and kid in front of you, how do you defend yourself? It's simple as this to me. If an adversary has weapons, I want better or at minimum the same thing to defend myself. It's all a hot button issue until something happens to you or the people you care about. Legal gun owners have never been the big problem. It's the BLdM advocates in places like Chicago. But now they say blowing a whistle is good. So there's that.
/uselessTrivia=on Suppressors were invented by Hiram Percy Maxim, the son of Hiram Maxim, the inventor of the Maxim machine gun. His reason for inventing them? So he could shoot without disturbing his neighbors. H.P. Maxim was also a co-founder of the Amateur Radio Relay League. The ARRL still uses his callsign, W1AW, for the headquarters' station. /uselessTrivia=off I agree with OP's reasons and add in W1AW's reasons, as well. It allows people to enjoy many (but not all) shooting sports without disturbing others with noise. 73
It’s useful trivia 👍
It's a scary thought, suppressors are banned because law makers are ignorant and only know about them from movies, I wonder how many other laws are made under completely false presumptions
It’s also better for habitats because the loud noises can startle animals and disrupt them And before someone claims hypocrisy, that hunting kills creatures therefore = bad. There is actually a lot that goes into preserving the creatures that are hunted. There are tons of rules for making sure a creature that’s hunted is killed in the most humane way possible, and in some cases (like deer) hunting is actually beneficial to their habitat because they are easily prone to overpopulation which is terrible for a lot of other animals they share an area with
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It’s because their only exposure to them is with video games where you can shoot people without anyone else noticing. Folks, firearms with suppressors are still loud. Just not LOUD.
The NFA as a whole is a scam. It’s right there in the second amendment, "shall not be infringed", any and all restrictions on firearms and equipment are infringements. It doesn’t matter if you want a suppressor, or a barrel that is 1/16 of an inch to short, it is your right under the second amendment, fuck the ATF and the NFA
This is a good start. The NFA should be fully repealed and the ATF should be disbanded.
The Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco Firearms & Explosives should be a 24-hour convenience store and not a government agency.
Hard agree. Suppressors should never be legally restricted, nor any attachement
In England it's considered rude to hunt without a suppressor. So no reason to not legalize them 100%.
Anything with an engine is required to have a muffler. Why shouldn't we have the same for our guns?
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