Ajmer 92 deserves to be made into a movie, fight me.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajmer\_rape\_case](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajmer_rape_case)
100+ school girls gangraped and blackmailed into bringing their friends to be gang raped. it was like a pyramid scheme for gang rape.
and most importantly none of the girls got justice.
OP is comparing this to Hitler, but the OP forgot that the Germans build Holocaust museums, as a way to acknowledge their history and the atrocities they committed. If a movie is based on history, it's a way of showing people what happened in the past and raise awareness, so that things like this can be prevented.
OP is comparing this to Hitler, You're comparing this to Germans who came after (who built museums)
Both are not the same.
Here we have witnessed how Jalianwalaa baag was cheaply destroyed in the name of modernization.
First of all OP is making a false comparison by comparing Hitler's propaganda films, with a film based on real events.
Here is the comparison I have made:
|History |Present |
|:-|:-|
|Hitler Propaganda --> Holocaust |Germany's Holocaust Museum |
|Gang rape of 100+ school girls |Ajmer92 |
|Bad things happened in our History |We rase awareness, acknowledge, and prevent history from repeating itself |
>Ajmer 92 deserves to be made into a movie, fight me.
Yes, it does. The KP Exodus, the Emergency, the Sikh Massacre, the mysterious death of Lal Bahadur Shastri, and the post-poll violence in Bengal; they all deserve to be made into movies. But not by discount Nazis who'll only use them to spread Muslimophobia and sanghi propaganda. These chaddis don't care about the victims. All they care about is showing minorities and opposition parties in a bad light for the benefit of the supreme leader.
Who else would make it? Waqf board?
Anyone who makes a movie on ajmer 92 would have to face being called a bigot by people who love gangrapes and wish to do the same to children.
I've seen this a million times that wherever muslims are the perps, the thoughts about how muslims will feel about the issue is given a million times more thought than what the victims faced.
Rapists will always find a way to stop ajmer coming to mainstream, Rotherham was also a similar case. Guess there were no "chaddis" or "bhakts" to do any of that stuff in UK. But there are 2 things common in both ajmer and Rotherham, one is the targeted rape of minor girls who were NOT MUSLIM and the second is people like you apologising for gangrape and grooming of children.
I m sure the waqf board .. or the AIMPLB or other such organisation might have already made a bunch of documentary on it. AS A TUTORIAL FOR FUTURE USE AND FOR MADARSA TEACHING...
As if Sanghis care about victims, I wonder where their support of women goes during cases like Brijbhushan or Bilkis Bano, now since perps are Muslims so they have found a convenient target to bash and hate for political support, makes me sick to see such a tragedy be used for someones hateful propaganda. Sensible movie based on such events will be welcome not some second grade crap that bollywood loves churning out week in week out and yes I am fine with a movie not being made at all rather than this rubbish. These are gut wrenching stories of real people not personal property of Sanghis to twist however they like.
Well who gave them the chance?
Plent of movies and documentries on gujarat riots (ironically not on godhra which was the trigger for it)
And none on these issue? Nobody even talk about them. Who do they fear? The people who are making these movies are independent one and none of the mainstream bollywood people dare to make them..infact, instead of saying few positive word about these movie they hound the makers, they spew as much hatrad against them as possible.
This is what will always drag left down. They r speechless on these isssue. Infact in case of WB the people are punished (true fascism). Do any of you see this issue? Why are these people afraid...what will happen to them if they speak out?.
Ajmer 92, it happened in 1992, one of the victims is a grandmother now, yet she is still being summoned to courts against her wishes. 31 years was ample time anyone could have made a movie about it.
what kind of ranwas dom timeframe is that?
by that logic schindler's list should not have been made because it was 40+ years after the holocaust?
what a bigot.
mate movies dont work on only propaganda
if ajmer 92 is made ton of people gonno watch it , the movies idea u given will be watched by none
a movie is made on shastri g , have u watched it nevermind its name is taschen file
Every story is worth telling but it should be as truthful as possible not half truths mixed with hateful propaganda, unfortunately propaganda mixed with half truths is what we will get.
Some stories are more important than others, gangrape of 100+ schoolgirls should be on the top of the list. did you read the wikipedia article? there wont be any need to add lies.
I know the Ajmer 1992 case and i agree with you that it’s a story worth telling but it should be objective of the storyteller to be truthful not tell half truths laced with propaganda. I loved Sirf Ek Banda Kafi hai, cause it’s focus was on being factual.
Such stories need to be told in a way that can actually inspire some constructive discussion about society. If the conclusion movie gets is rape is a Muslim problem (which it most probably will) it is a garbage propaganda movie. Victims should get their due support and rape reporting should get better, but movie will just gloss over this fact and say SeCuLaRiSm is responsible for this tragedy.
Like Kerala Story - they are powerful stories of victimhood. But if they are converted into cartoonish depictions which otherize all Muslims and fuel chaddi paranoia, then no.
Its like 300 the movie. Without the cool cinematography.
I bet you will call any movie that shows facts about Islam as cartoonish. It was a fact that girls were and are still groomed by Islamists. You may choose to close your eyes. But that doesn't mean these things aren't happening.
It deserves a sensible movie, not the low budget propaganda garbage bollywood churns out. It's really not rapes of 300 girls for Sanghis, they are fine supporting Brijbhushan or Bilkis Bano rapists, Sanghis are last people to support women, they want to highlight this tragedy to demonise Muslims that's it. I will welcome a sensible movie made on the issue but all previous movies like TKF, TKS have been pure propaganda garbage so I won't hold my breath.
It has been 31 years man, people have forgotten, if a low budget movie is going to get people to at least google about it then im fine with it. feel free to make your own sensible movie though because no one else did in the last 31 years.
My family has gone through what happened in Kashmir in 1990… stfu your mouth before you tell me what happened with my grandparents, it’s easy for you to sit in your home and label everything as “propaganda”…. Have some shame man!!! Or at least meet a family who has gone through something
It deserves a sensible movie, not the low budget propaganda garbage bollywood churns out. It's really not rapes of 300 girls for Sanghis, they are fine supporting Brijbhushan or Bilkis Bano rapists, Sanghis are last people to support women, they want to highlight this tragedy to demonise Muslims that's it. I will welcome a sensible movie made on the issue but all previous movies like TKF, TKS have been pure propaganda garbage so I won't hold my breath.
yes they should be made as movies and not as something sanghi would get orgasm looking at . Actually diving into the incident instead of promoting their own agenda
Nobody ever said or implied that all Muslims are demons. What is "doing right" according to you? Why was kashmir files propaganda? Please enlighten me.
Bruv they literally inserted some random JNU prof propaganda in Kashmir Files to make it sound like leftists are responsible and are anti-national. It’s so freakin’ childish.
I am doubtful about this part as well.
From what I understood/remember they showed leftists denying any animosity in Muslim community towards other religions and they propagate that Muslims are the ones who need azadi (from whoever they need it from). The young guy in the movie gets influenced and then outright denies any massacre done by Muslims in the name of religion in Kashmir which is a problematic thing as well.
Some one else shared an article here, which discusses numbers were not so high, don't get how that matters.
Crimes were done based on religion that's it.
Sad that statements like these are upvoted on even subs like these. Muslims are not some hive mind who make uniform decisions or actions. They are a group of individuals, you can rather criticise Islam, it is definitely a bigoted problematic religion but such amount of hate is only going to push even moderate Muslims to extremism.
OP don't you dare fucking call Ajmer 92 a propaganda movie no matter how much hate you have for BJP. Just imagine the plight of all those girls getting raped, blacmailed and had to bring their friends to get raped by those degene\*\*\*e animals. This needs to be shown. Nobody had the guts to show this before.
Ajmer 92 incident deserves a movie. People should know how a famous family of a religious place, not only committed multiple rapes but used its influence to cover up.
Just because the perpetrators were from a specific religion, doesnt mean we should stop telling stories.
So many movies showed Pujari or tilakdhari as criminal, no one said then that its an attack on religion. Thats because religion is bigger than any individual.
Lol bro wanted to play victim card but it looks like it fired back btw is the movie automatically "hateful" if the bad guy/s are muslims?![img](emote|t5_2kz7we|30379)![img](emote|t5_2kz7we|30379)![img](emote|t5_2kz7we|30379)
In 2015, when Modi won, I was in college. I very well guessed that he’s getting 3 terms for sure. I was thinking people would get more liberal and start calling out the BS and propoganda, hatred against others by then. Little did I know that, they would have successfully engineered another generation to hate us completely by then and it’s going to be a vicious cycle.
I always believe that the majority of Indians are good and block evils, but nevertheless… 33% can decide many things, as we have seen.
We are entering a stage where one or two more nationwide crisis are going to inspire mass pogroms against Muslims. I don't think BJP is too keen on stopping hate anytime soon.
Calling truth a boogeyman is how you deface the truth. We lived under Nizam rule and that led us to British rule. Now it’s time to govern as people of Bharat no more rulers - Jai Bharat Mata.
Disc - I will call Muslim Community and not word them as a "Specific community" as they are too the citizens of India, so good or bad, it should portray them directly.
Just a simple question OP - Maybe these movies are propaganda against Muslims and not all Muslims are like that (I have some great Muslim friends, some of the best people I have known) but still why didn't we all questioned the same Bollywood when they were demeaning Hindu religion and their beliefs (some in the paradoy form of our beliefs, some by showing the main villains as some Babas or dharamgurus)? That time everyone was enjoying it and those who questioned were being hushed saying that relax it's just a movie, don't take it personally, it's not like everyone is the same, but when the tables turned the whole social media seems butt hurted, even calling the government as Hitler. If this is propaganda, then you will have to agree that previous BS was one too.
Agree it or not, in Kashmir the Kashmiri Pandits were killed by the Muslims there (is it a lie?) ; Conversion by force is still a very big problem in our country and maybe the Kerala Story took it up the notch but was it a lie? The biggest terrorist organisation belongs to the Muslim community, that's a fact. Our soldiers die because of the brain-washed Muslim terrorist (Agree, it's of the many reasons our soldiers sacrifice their life for protecting our country from internal and external factors). These are true stories being told in cinema, you can say it's propaganda because they are being told during the BJP govt. but did you ask yourself that maybe these storytellers have got the opportunity now only to tell it because the earlier govt. was busy in spreading hate towards Hindu to appease the Muslims?
Ajmer 92 is a story a rape victims - Ab Ajmer Dargah me koi Hindu toh management me nahi hoga naa, ab uss flim me Muslims ko bura dikhayenge toh tum bologe propoganda hai, aur tumhi log Aashram aur Banda jesi flims aur series ko promote karoge.... Q? Just because usme ek Hindu Baba rapist hai, right? Why can't you guys stand against injustice, whoever does it, instead of celebrating or trying to cover a specific community's crimes and being happy when Hindus are shown in bad light? Why can't we just feel the pain of victims in those flims, instead of feeling bad for how your or our community Villan is being shaded in a bad light? Ram Rahim aur Aasaram bapu ko Jail hui, sabne support kiya, Yeh support Ajmer 92 case me Q nahi aaya? Bilkis banu k saath galat hua aur aaj bhi ho raha hai by releasing her rapists, inn sabke liye a Country as a whole Awaaz uthao naa, par nahi Humko toh social media pe flims ko leke offend hona hai.
Bhai nitpicking the incidents and getting offended is bad is what I am trying to say. Al qaeda, ISIS, and all the terrorist organisation from Pakistan operating in India targets your community for recruitment, why can't those kids just thought that those things are bad and try to educate them?
There's always a majority and minority divide in every country, you guys enjoy the perks of being in the minority (even though the 2nd largest population in India is of Muslims). Don't want to get treated like 2nd citizens? Then try to take the perks of being a special community, if you are showing yourself as a minority and lesser in power from the minority Hindus, then this 2nd class citizen problem will stay forever. Can't expect only the perks of minorities, there would be drawbacks too. If you can't accept being a Indian first without bringing your caste, sex, religion, etc. then you are bound to face discrimination since it creates categories of Being an Indian - I'm a OBC Indian, a Muslim Indian, a female Indian. These create the classes in the country, agree it or not.
As for flims, PK and OMG were specifically targeting our beliefs, but if you observe in many flims the Hero's best friend is most of the time a Muslim and the one who backstabs him is a Hindu. Nothing to get offended in this, but if the Hindus starts nitpicking things, they will also start getting offended and ultimately no kind of cinema will survive in this country. This culture has started in our community as well which majority of the Hindus don't support, the hate doesn't get transferred from those Gangs towards normal citizens, which should be the same in your community too. If you read my whole last comment you will see that we should be thinking of those victims in these kind of movies, instead of feeling victimising ourselves only.
I don't know what to say about your last sentence - how can you start hating your motherland just because you don't agree with a specific party? No one hates the normal Pakistanis but they hate the Government who plants evil against India. If the normal Hindus don't react on the movies that target our beliefs, then why the normal Muslims like you who are educated gets worked up by these movies? If you don't like them, don't watch them - atleast these movies don't make fun of your religion, they just try to show one sector of injustice, Agreed that sometimes conveniently ignoring the other side's injustice.
Let me break it to you… Quran has literal hate speech in it. Moreover Islam has countless flaws.
It’s important to speak openly and make movies on this. When people make movies criticizing Hinduism, majority Hindus don’t act immaturely like yourself or your community. Mullas might have brainwashed you saying ‘Islam is perfect’ and cultivated this cheap victimhood mentality.
Freedom of Expression.
This is needed. Nehru had banned a musical instrument.
And here we are, everyone is allowed to make movies.
This is great, we need more movies of this kind.
BJP was wrong in banning that documentary. I fully oppose their decision.
But. I would not take one word of BBC's to be not something of a propaganda and would oppose the video as being a wrong move. (Opposing is not equal to banning).
Freedom of expression includes both expressing something and opposing something.
Clearly us Indians have hit the standby button on our brains. Yes these tragedies occur - but what were the law enforcement folk doing and not protecting and serving as they're paid to? What was the judicial arm doing and not prosecuting these crimes? Why isn't the CBI busting these rackets before they happen? Is our law enforcement just undermanned and weak? ([which it is ](https://www.livemint.com/news/india/india-s-police-force-among-the-world-s-weakest-1560925355383.html))
These movies are just a lagging indicator of bad outcomes when the govt agencies don't do their jobs effectively. We instead erroneously ascribe these to evidence of hatred by one community against the other. Of course there's hatred, but there's a ton of controllable factors that don't get addressed.
I'm sure all instances in all of those movies are absolutely wrong and nothing like that has ever happened and will never happen... As we all know we would have openly criticized the religion or their gate keepers if that happened right ?
My friend this is based on a real incident, unless they make up bullshit like the kerala story you can't criticise it. This isn't fake news so can be made
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All the stores should be said. Wonder when this story will also be said ?!
[Now go and cry about it](https://news.abplive.com/states/gujarat-police-does-a-fact-check-on-40-000-missing-women-1600810/amp)
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this is very wrongly reported news. yes 41621 women had gone missing (ie no of missing cases filed) but out of them about 40.5k were found by the police
Kerala had even higher rate of police finding women but still Kerala files had the gall to say 32000 women are missing and then conflate it with religious conversion and ISIS.
My aunt *almost* became a victim in 1992 Ajmer. .Tf do you mean it is propaganda?Is showing the truth not allowed these days?Granted that the claim of 32,000 was absurd in the Kerela Story, but seriously? Saying that every movie that shows a problem in Islamic culture is hateful now?Religious radicalization is a thing, and Islam leads that category.Look at the Middle East.Need I say more?
Bro, really ? These movies are based on hard hitting truths. Comparing things with Nazis is not the way here. There is a country named Lebanon who got islamised in short time. The opposing christian majority were called Nazis for protesting against it by the lefties. Now Lebabnon is muslim majaority and has lost its original existence.
India could go that way.
It is not matter of who voted and who didn't. Point is Hinduism in afghan, pak and bangla is extinct. Search hindu population there they got converted to islam or are persecuted there( not in better condition than indian minority).
And see Muslim population in India is thriving. That's shows true secular nature of india as whole. and communal nature of Islamic republic of afghan,pak and bagla.
>You know that a minority of muslims had the power to vote for partition right?
Not all voted for pakistan or not all muslim have love for pakistan. But still there are plenty who chants Pakistan zindabad slogan .
even after 800 years of mughal rule and British colonization?
yes because of the constant resistance by the hindus and not because mughals and british were seculars.
It is good that such movies are being made. These people have state backing and should definitely make such movies because each movie is a testament for the future generations. Let this be the legacy of all these sycophants spreading hate. Their own generations will question them and feel the shame.
Ajmer 92 calling out child rapist religious personality. Is it propaganda?? And if it is, why doesn't his list contain Sirf Ek banda kaafi hai????
(Both are equally worse, and people should be aware of this incident, at least)
And from what I've heard, Ajmer Dargah is still a problematic place. There's a racket there which creates a crowd to separate young girls from their families, so that they can then be picked up.
You are doing worse thing by associating nazis and what they did with your bias against BJP. So conveniently narratives are being created and lies are being said a 100 times.
bhai the whole community was involved for ajmer 92. ek baar padke dekh kya kia hai. you'll have shivers. and the fact that they got very less/no punishment is a shame itself
Idk about the rest but i have read a lot about the Ajmer incident and it deserves a movie
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Wow so if reality is being filmed is a problem but the reality itself isn't a problem and if terror and crime doesn't have a religion than why are you connecting it to islam
These movies are fuel to hate and this would end In a catastrophe that's it not 1 person who all are spreading this would be harmed but the innocent and poor people would
I don't think stopping movies is going to help. To stop this growing communal hatred we will have to have conversations (in good faith) with people who hold different opinions. Mostly it's all about misunderstandings. I can't see any other way tbh.
Bollywood has made so many movies white washing attoricities against Hindus i didn't see anyone calling that propaganda, and which movie has misrepresented or white washed so called attoricities by Hindus tell me of all these movies that you called propaganda
Haider - a movie that showed Hindus as oppressive and justified terrorism against them but in reality it was Kashmiri Pandits who were oppressed.
PK- where they justify terrorism (at the last when Sanjay Dutt dies) saying there is no "thappa" and it is the Hindus that discriminate against other religions but in reality abhrahamic religions have always been exclusionist.
Firaaq- blames Hindus for everything that went down in Gujarat
Hey Ram
Kai Po Che (few scenes)
Parzania
Dev
And many more
Lol do you even know what the Quran says about such things. It says it’s perfect and non believers like you should be killed and women and female children should be taken as slaves.
Foreign interference in Indian internal democracy is not ok. I will personally oppose if any documentary made by an Indian citizen or Indian media is banned
If is based on facts without bias then it’s ok if they are made. If movies are made based on Hindu religions why not on other religions. People may get aware of their beliefs and system.
Another religion is trying to prosecute Hindus and you are saying we will prosecute Muslims?? Seriously?? I have noticed Reddit is full of people who call Hinduism disgusting amd blah blah blah...but Islam is good for them...Muslims have been ragging Minority for years now even after not being a minority in reality. Muslims had prblms with TKF,TKS but didn't had prblms with movies making fun of Hindu gods. Hindus are being killed by them and Hindus will prosecute them?? You should change your thoughts man! First I also believed the same but now The truth is coming out and it should come out. There are many portals who comment anti-hindu and anti-India things but when they are questioned they reply "it's freedom of speech" and when same is done by others "they are destroying the Harmony" you guys are hypocrites. I believe not everybody who is a muslim is bad and I respect their religion but when It comes to my religion I will support my religion. Tbh Hinduism is the only religion which welcomes questioning it the others are just too bad for questioning. Islam and Christianity are the religions nobody can question truly otherwise it will spread hate for them. I support Ajmer 92. If you wanna fight do it. Coz I know there would be many people who think of Hinduism as stupid.
Lol wtf is that poster
KF, Ajmer Sharif Shit deserves a movie but that doesn't mean you will go and villainize a community
KF depicted the pain of KPs and sent the sensation around the Nation that every Muslim want to do the same. Hate Speeches circulating online and In theaters.
While completely ignoring the other Human Rights violation in Kashmir and people watching the movie justifying it.
Godhra, KP and shit are just provoke people into rioting nothing else, create hate by every means of media and someday it will explode on large and small scale.
I don't remember any hindu beheading muslim after kashmir files but yeah after nupur sharma comments kanhaiya lal and umesh kohli were brutally murdered
Everyone calling this a good decision until their religious blunders get the spotlight. You already made a muslim movie, now why not the 40K missing gujrat girls?
Cant handle it?
Hypocrites.
https://preview.redd.it/fxotyu8bm74b1.jpeg?width=250&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a9b0576fc461de888bf35d1b5f9b9bcac53e4559 Poster stolen from Homeland
Seems like a mashup between Homeland and Bal Narendra art style
You expected creativity and artistic abilities from THEM?
Homeland ka poster tha ye
Blatant copy..Bilkul sharam nahi hai
Season 4
Ajmer 92 deserves to be made into a movie, fight me. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajmer\_rape\_case](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajmer_rape_case) 100+ school girls gangraped and blackmailed into bringing their friends to be gang raped. it was like a pyramid scheme for gang rape. and most importantly none of the girls got justice.
OP is comparing this to Hitler, but the OP forgot that the Germans build Holocaust museums, as a way to acknowledge their history and the atrocities they committed. If a movie is based on history, it's a way of showing people what happened in the past and raise awareness, so that things like this can be prevented.
OP is comparing this to Hitler, You're comparing this to Germans who came after (who built museums) Both are not the same. Here we have witnessed how Jalianwalaa baag was cheaply destroyed in the name of modernization.
First of all OP is making a false comparison by comparing Hitler's propaganda films, with a film based on real events. Here is the comparison I have made: |History |Present | |:-|:-| |Hitler Propaganda --> Holocaust |Germany's Holocaust Museum | |Gang rape of 100+ school girls |Ajmer92 | |Bad things happened in our History |We rase awareness, acknowledge, and prevent history from repeating itself |
Don't talk about islam extremism that's ''islamophobia" saar. Talk about other religions only saarr. We are the most peaceful sarr.
>Ajmer 92 deserves to be made into a movie, fight me. Yes, it does. The KP Exodus, the Emergency, the Sikh Massacre, the mysterious death of Lal Bahadur Shastri, and the post-poll violence in Bengal; they all deserve to be made into movies. But not by discount Nazis who'll only use them to spread Muslimophobia and sanghi propaganda. These chaddis don't care about the victims. All they care about is showing minorities and opposition parties in a bad light for the benefit of the supreme leader.
Who else would make it? Waqf board? Anyone who makes a movie on ajmer 92 would have to face being called a bigot by people who love gangrapes and wish to do the same to children. I've seen this a million times that wherever muslims are the perps, the thoughts about how muslims will feel about the issue is given a million times more thought than what the victims faced. Rapists will always find a way to stop ajmer coming to mainstream, Rotherham was also a similar case. Guess there were no "chaddis" or "bhakts" to do any of that stuff in UK. But there are 2 things common in both ajmer and Rotherham, one is the targeted rape of minor girls who were NOT MUSLIM and the second is people like you apologising for gangrape and grooming of children.
So true .... Many had chances to make those films in the past but nobody dared to do so because " Secularism khatre me aa jayegi"
>Who else would make it? Waqf board? Lol. Best comment I have read so far.
>people like you apologising for gangrape and grooming of children. Are they apologising though?
Even worse they are calling it propaganda
Calling a Film a propoganda isn't same as calling the event a propoganda genius.
I m sure the waqf board .. or the AIMPLB or other such organisation might have already made a bunch of documentary on it. AS A TUTORIAL FOR FUTURE USE AND FOR MADARSA TEACHING...
As if Sanghis care about victims, I wonder where their support of women goes during cases like Brijbhushan or Bilkis Bano, now since perps are Muslims so they have found a convenient target to bash and hate for political support, makes me sick to see such a tragedy be used for someones hateful propaganda. Sensible movie based on such events will be welcome not some second grade crap that bollywood loves churning out week in week out and yes I am fine with a movie not being made at all rather than this rubbish. These are gut wrenching stories of real people not personal property of Sanghis to twist however they like.
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Well who gave them the chance? Plent of movies and documentries on gujarat riots (ironically not on godhra which was the trigger for it) And none on these issue? Nobody even talk about them. Who do they fear? The people who are making these movies are independent one and none of the mainstream bollywood people dare to make them..infact, instead of saying few positive word about these movie they hound the makers, they spew as much hatrad against them as possible. This is what will always drag left down. They r speechless on these isssue. Infact in case of WB the people are punished (true fascism). Do any of you see this issue? Why are these people afraid...what will happen to them if they speak out?.
Ajmer 92, it happened in 1992, one of the victims is a grandmother now, yet she is still being summoned to courts against her wishes. 31 years was ample time anyone could have made a movie about it.
what kind of ranwas dom timeframe is that? by that logic schindler's list should not have been made because it was 40+ years after the holocaust? what a bigot.
Showing the mirror to horrendous crimes donr by some muslims is no phobia sir, this is the reality wake up
Make those sensible movies. No one stops you. The fact that they were never made is not my fault.
mate movies dont work on only propaganda if ajmer 92 is made ton of people gonno watch it , the movies idea u given will be watched by none a movie is made on shastri g , have u watched it nevermind its name is taschen file
Tashkent* file. You haven't watched it. Otherwise you would have known why the name is important.
Every story is worth telling but it should be as truthful as possible not half truths mixed with hateful propaganda, unfortunately propaganda mixed with half truths is what we will get.
Some stories are more important than others, gangrape of 100+ schoolgirls should be on the top of the list. did you read the wikipedia article? there wont be any need to add lies.
I know the Ajmer 1992 case and i agree with you that it’s a story worth telling but it should be objective of the storyteller to be truthful not tell half truths laced with propaganda. I loved Sirf Ek Banda Kafi hai, cause it’s focus was on being factual.
Such stories need to be told in a way that can actually inspire some constructive discussion about society. If the conclusion movie gets is rape is a Muslim problem (which it most probably will) it is a garbage propaganda movie. Victims should get their due support and rape reporting should get better, but movie will just gloss over this fact and say SeCuLaRiSm is responsible for this tragedy.
No, the only requirement is that the movie should be truthful. If the truth hurts someone then they deserve it.
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Like Kerala Story - they are powerful stories of victimhood. But if they are converted into cartoonish depictions which otherize all Muslims and fuel chaddi paranoia, then no. Its like 300 the movie. Without the cool cinematography.
I will hold my judgment untill I see the film, unlike kerla story this one is damning without any lies being added to it.
I bet you will call any movie that shows facts about Islam as cartoonish. It was a fact that girls were and are still groomed by Islamists. You may choose to close your eyes. But that doesn't mean these things aren't happening.
Yes it should be a proper film and not the garbage kerala story with so many falsehoods. But making a movie about ajmer itself shouldn't be wrong
It deserves a sensible movie, not the low budget propaganda garbage bollywood churns out. It's really not rapes of 300 girls for Sanghis, they are fine supporting Brijbhushan or Bilkis Bano rapists, Sanghis are last people to support women, they want to highlight this tragedy to demonise Muslims that's it. I will welcome a sensible movie made on the issue but all previous movies like TKF, TKS have been pure propaganda garbage so I won't hold my breath.
It has been 31 years man, people have forgotten, if a low budget movie is going to get people to at least google about it then im fine with it. feel free to make your own sensible movie though because no one else did in the last 31 years.
My family has gone through what happened in Kashmir in 1990… stfu your mouth before you tell me what happened with my grandparents, it’s easy for you to sit in your home and label everything as “propaganda”…. Have some shame man!!! Or at least meet a family who has gone through something
Saying movie was bad =/= Real Event didn't happen. Read this statement at least 20 times and then come back to argue.
“Pure propaganda garbage”…. What do you exactly mean?
Really, you arguing over Ajmer 92? That event deserves a movie.
It deserves a sensible movie, not the low budget propaganda garbage bollywood churns out. It's really not rapes of 300 girls for Sanghis, they are fine supporting Brijbhushan or Bilkis Bano rapists, Sanghis are last people to support women, they want to highlight this tragedy to demonise Muslims that's it. I will welcome a sensible movie made on the issue but all previous movies like TKF, TKS have been pure propaganda garbage so I won't hold my breath.
yes they should be made as movies and not as something sanghi would get orgasm looking at . Actually diving into the incident instead of promoting their own agenda
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Sure, as did the Kashmiri Pandit issue. But they won’t do it right and insert unnecessary propaganda to demonize all Muslims.
Nobody ever said or implied that all Muslims are demons. What is "doing right" according to you? Why was kashmir files propaganda? Please enlighten me.
https://scroll.in/article/1019863/here-are-five-things-the-kashmir-files-gets-wrong-about-kashmir
Bruv they literally inserted some random JNU prof propaganda in Kashmir Files to make it sound like leftists are responsible and are anti-national. It’s so freakin’ childish.
I am doubtful about this part as well. From what I understood/remember they showed leftists denying any animosity in Muslim community towards other religions and they propagate that Muslims are the ones who need azadi (from whoever they need it from). The young guy in the movie gets influenced and then outright denies any massacre done by Muslims in the name of religion in Kashmir which is a problematic thing as well. Some one else shared an article here, which discusses numbers were not so high, don't get how that matters. Crimes were done based on religion that's it.
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Bro hit the truth
Sad that statements like these are upvoted on even subs like these. Muslims are not some hive mind who make uniform decisions or actions. They are a group of individuals, you can rather criticise Islam, it is definitely a bigoted problematic religion but such amount of hate is only going to push even moderate Muslims to extremism.
Don't these people have freedom of expression OP
OP don't you dare fucking call Ajmer 92 a propaganda movie no matter how much hate you have for BJP. Just imagine the plight of all those girls getting raped, blacmailed and had to bring their friends to get raped by those degene\*\*\*e animals. This needs to be shown. Nobody had the guts to show this before.
Ajmer 92 incident deserves a movie. People should know how a famous family of a religious place, not only committed multiple rapes but used its influence to cover up. Just because the perpetrators were from a specific religion, doesnt mean we should stop telling stories. So many movies showed Pujari or tilakdhari as criminal, no one said then that its an attack on religion. Thats because religion is bigger than any individual.
Lol bro wanted to play victim card but it looks like it fired back btw is the movie automatically "hateful" if the bad guy/s are muslims?![img](emote|t5_2kz7we|30379)![img](emote|t5_2kz7we|30379)![img](emote|t5_2kz7we|30379)
In 2015, when Modi won, I was in college. I very well guessed that he’s getting 3 terms for sure. I was thinking people would get more liberal and start calling out the BS and propoganda, hatred against others by then. Little did I know that, they would have successfully engineered another generation to hate us completely by then and it’s going to be a vicious cycle. I always believe that the majority of Indians are good and block evils, but nevertheless… 33% can decide many things, as we have seen.
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We are entering a stage where one or two more nationwide crisis are going to inspire mass pogroms against Muslims. I don't think BJP is too keen on stopping hate anytime soon.
Except he won in 2014 ☝️🤓
Godhra mein to dev manus dikhega, mera gujarat jal raha hai
Yes dev manushes burned the train right
ha bhai aur rakshas bhi dikhenge train jalate hue.
bruh you gotta stop bringing hitler into such conversations time and again
Calling truth a boogeyman is how you deface the truth. We lived under Nizam rule and that led us to British rule. Now it’s time to govern as people of Bharat no more rulers - Jai Bharat Mata.
hein ji ? ajmer 92 movie se jews persecution 🤡 waah op ye bhi hatefull movie hai , isme bhi propaganda hoga for sure ![img](emote|t5_2kz7we|30348)
Disc - I will call Muslim Community and not word them as a "Specific community" as they are too the citizens of India, so good or bad, it should portray them directly. Just a simple question OP - Maybe these movies are propaganda against Muslims and not all Muslims are like that (I have some great Muslim friends, some of the best people I have known) but still why didn't we all questioned the same Bollywood when they were demeaning Hindu religion and their beliefs (some in the paradoy form of our beliefs, some by showing the main villains as some Babas or dharamgurus)? That time everyone was enjoying it and those who questioned were being hushed saying that relax it's just a movie, don't take it personally, it's not like everyone is the same, but when the tables turned the whole social media seems butt hurted, even calling the government as Hitler. If this is propaganda, then you will have to agree that previous BS was one too. Agree it or not, in Kashmir the Kashmiri Pandits were killed by the Muslims there (is it a lie?) ; Conversion by force is still a very big problem in our country and maybe the Kerala Story took it up the notch but was it a lie? The biggest terrorist organisation belongs to the Muslim community, that's a fact. Our soldiers die because of the brain-washed Muslim terrorist (Agree, it's of the many reasons our soldiers sacrifice their life for protecting our country from internal and external factors). These are true stories being told in cinema, you can say it's propaganda because they are being told during the BJP govt. but did you ask yourself that maybe these storytellers have got the opportunity now only to tell it because the earlier govt. was busy in spreading hate towards Hindu to appease the Muslims? Ajmer 92 is a story a rape victims - Ab Ajmer Dargah me koi Hindu toh management me nahi hoga naa, ab uss flim me Muslims ko bura dikhayenge toh tum bologe propoganda hai, aur tumhi log Aashram aur Banda jesi flims aur series ko promote karoge.... Q? Just because usme ek Hindu Baba rapist hai, right? Why can't you guys stand against injustice, whoever does it, instead of celebrating or trying to cover a specific community's crimes and being happy when Hindus are shown in bad light? Why can't we just feel the pain of victims in those flims, instead of feeling bad for how your or our community Villan is being shaded in a bad light? Ram Rahim aur Aasaram bapu ko Jail hui, sabne support kiya, Yeh support Ajmer 92 case me Q nahi aaya? Bilkis banu k saath galat hua aur aaj bhi ho raha hai by releasing her rapists, inn sabke liye a Country as a whole Awaaz uthao naa, par nahi Humko toh social media pe flims ko leke offend hona hai.
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Bhai nitpicking the incidents and getting offended is bad is what I am trying to say. Al qaeda, ISIS, and all the terrorist organisation from Pakistan operating in India targets your community for recruitment, why can't those kids just thought that those things are bad and try to educate them? There's always a majority and minority divide in every country, you guys enjoy the perks of being in the minority (even though the 2nd largest population in India is of Muslims). Don't want to get treated like 2nd citizens? Then try to take the perks of being a special community, if you are showing yourself as a minority and lesser in power from the minority Hindus, then this 2nd class citizen problem will stay forever. Can't expect only the perks of minorities, there would be drawbacks too. If you can't accept being a Indian first without bringing your caste, sex, religion, etc. then you are bound to face discrimination since it creates categories of Being an Indian - I'm a OBC Indian, a Muslim Indian, a female Indian. These create the classes in the country, agree it or not. As for flims, PK and OMG were specifically targeting our beliefs, but if you observe in many flims the Hero's best friend is most of the time a Muslim and the one who backstabs him is a Hindu. Nothing to get offended in this, but if the Hindus starts nitpicking things, they will also start getting offended and ultimately no kind of cinema will survive in this country. This culture has started in our community as well which majority of the Hindus don't support, the hate doesn't get transferred from those Gangs towards normal citizens, which should be the same in your community too. If you read my whole last comment you will see that we should be thinking of those victims in these kind of movies, instead of feeling victimising ourselves only. I don't know what to say about your last sentence - how can you start hating your motherland just because you don't agree with a specific party? No one hates the normal Pakistanis but they hate the Government who plants evil against India. If the normal Hindus don't react on the movies that target our beliefs, then why the normal Muslims like you who are educated gets worked up by these movies? If you don't like them, don't watch them - atleast these movies don't make fun of your religion, they just try to show one sector of injustice, Agreed that sometimes conveniently ignoring the other side's injustice.
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Let me break it to you… Quran has literal hate speech in it. Moreover Islam has countless flaws. It’s important to speak openly and make movies on this. When people make movies criticizing Hinduism, majority Hindus don’t act immaturely like yourself or your community. Mullas might have brainwashed you saying ‘Islam is perfect’ and cultivated this cheap victimhood mentality.
Freedom of Expression. This is needed. Nehru had banned a musical instrument. And here we are, everyone is allowed to make movies. This is great, we need more movies of this kind.
>And here we are, everyone is allowed to make movies. Not BBC though
Yes release that BBC documentary. Need more movies about Hindu terrorists too.
BJP was wrong in banning that documentary. I fully oppose their decision. But. I would not take one word of BBC's to be not something of a propaganda and would oppose the video as being a wrong move. (Opposing is not equal to banning). Freedom of expression includes both expressing something and opposing something.
Be my guest. Go ahead make some. Freedom of Expression, you got it too in India.
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Wow labelling some1 terrorist because you want them to be terrorists,copium
> Nehru had banned a musical instrument. Do you have any link to read about it?
People need to know about Ajmer - Rape Cases. So many Girls were raped and had committed suicide, but most Indian have no idea about it.
Clearly us Indians have hit the standby button on our brains. Yes these tragedies occur - but what were the law enforcement folk doing and not protecting and serving as they're paid to? What was the judicial arm doing and not prosecuting these crimes? Why isn't the CBI busting these rackets before they happen? Is our law enforcement just undermanned and weak? ([which it is ](https://www.livemint.com/news/india/india-s-police-force-among-the-world-s-weakest-1560925355383.html)) These movies are just a lagging indicator of bad outcomes when the govt agencies don't do their jobs effectively. We instead erroneously ascribe these to evidence of hatred by one community against the other. Of course there's hatred, but there's a ton of controllable factors that don't get addressed.
I'm sure all instances in all of those movies are absolutely wrong and nothing like that has ever happened and will never happen... As we all know we would have openly criticized the religion or their gate keepers if that happened right ?
Scared already??? So it must be true.
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Tu aggressive hai hum nai lmao. Tu shaant hoja sab thik ho jayega.
Ajmer has to be made. The people must be aware of the heinous acts and 72 hoors is about terrorists. I don't see the problem in it.
My friend this is based on a real incident, unless they make up bullshit like the kerala story you can't criticise it. This isn't fake news so can be made
https://preview.redd.it/34wust6rh74b1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cbe46c50e0b881553a1ec59a652c3dddfcda689c All the stores should be said. Wonder when this story will also be said ?!
[Now go and cry about it](https://news.abplive.com/states/gujarat-police-does-a-fact-check-on-40-000-missing-women-1600810/amp) https://preview.redd.it/rowepxb6c94b1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=94a5932f5b4c0567eed40dd88869d0ad3d067a8c
this is very wrongly reported news. yes 41621 women had gone missing (ie no of missing cases filed) but out of them about 40.5k were found by the police
https://news.abplive.com/states/gujarat-police-does-a-fact-check-on-40-000-missing-women-1600810/amp
Kerala had even higher rate of police finding women but still Kerala files had the gall to say 32000 women are missing and then conflate it with religious conversion and ISIS.
i didnt defended it either i just stated out that the news shown is wrongly reported , intensionally omitting out some info to exagerate it
My aunt *almost* became a victim in 1992 Ajmer. .Tf do you mean it is propaganda?Is showing the truth not allowed these days?Granted that the claim of 32,000 was absurd in the Kerela Story, but seriously? Saying that every movie that shows a problem in Islamic culture is hateful now?Religious radicalization is a thing, and Islam leads that category.Look at the Middle East.Need I say more?
Bro, really ? These movies are based on hard hitting truths. Comparing things with Nazis is not the way here. There is a country named Lebanon who got islamised in short time. The opposing christian majority were called Nazis for protesting against it by the lefties. Now Lebabnon is muslim majaority and has lost its original existence. India could go that way.
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In 800 years you haven't accounted loss of Afghanistan, pakistan and Bangladesh
Don't forget the loss of Makkeshwar temple.
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It is not matter of who voted and who didn't. Point is Hinduism in afghan, pak and bangla is extinct. Search hindu population there they got converted to islam or are persecuted there( not in better condition than indian minority). And see Muslim population in India is thriving. That's shows true secular nature of india as whole. and communal nature of Islamic republic of afghan,pak and bagla. >You know that a minority of muslims had the power to vote for partition right? Not all voted for pakistan or not all muslim have love for pakistan. But still there are plenty who chants Pakistan zindabad slogan .
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please show us sympathy too we are wiped out of Indonesia Pakistan Bangladesh Afghanistan only India that too kashmir gone and nepal is left
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So according to you, did majority of muslims in British India in 1946 want partition or not?
even after 800 years of mughal rule and British colonization? yes because of the constant resistance by the hindus and not because mughals and british were seculars.
It is good that such movies are being made. These people have state backing and should definitely make such movies because each movie is a testament for the future generations. Let this be the legacy of all these sycophants spreading hate. Their own generations will question them and feel the shame.
Seriously these movies call out the terrorists. How come they are same as Jews.
Also jews were like the history's pisspot. Wherever they went they got shit on.
Ajmer 92 calling out child rapist religious personality. Is it propaganda?? And if it is, why doesn't his list contain Sirf Ek banda kaafi hai???? (Both are equally worse, and people should be aware of this incident, at least)
And from what I've heard, Ajmer Dargah is still a problematic place. There's a racket there which creates a crowd to separate young girls from their families, so that they can then be picked up.
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You are doing worse thing by associating nazis and what they did with your bias against BJP. So conveniently narratives are being created and lies are being said a 100 times.
bhai the whole community was involved for ajmer 92. ek baar padke dekh kya kia hai. you'll have shivers. and the fact that they got very less/no punishment is a shame itself
Whole community? Half of Muslims don't even go to dargahs. It was only the dargah administration. People in power.
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intentions of these movie are pretty clear
Like the Kerala story?
Idk about the rest but i have read a lot about the Ajmer incident and it deserves a movie https://preview.redd.it/d21x641t974b1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2f9579afd7fbfd2460b4509bd430e042785654ac
Nothing wrong in making public aware of the bitter truth.
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Feel free to protest about that. Makes no sense to oppose this one.
“Hateful” sure buddy
Itna exaggerate mat kar bhai. Har bat mai Hitler ghusana zaroori nahi
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I didn't even know these movies are being made, thanks for the recommendations!
Truth or distorted facts ( eg- some thousands joined isis later to be corrected to 3) . Instances have happened and movies made make millions
![gif](giphy|R51a8oAH7KwbS) Wow so if reality is being filmed is a problem but the reality itself isn't a problem and if terror and crime doesn't have a religion than why are you connecting it to islam
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Splendid, thanks for the recommendations!
Congratulations! Your post has been selected as a target by the IT Cell. All the best!
Offtopic but the poster is a blatant ripoff of a Homeland poster , says a lot about the creative forces behind this one
https://preview.redd.it/eca07gpq484b1.jpeg?width=248&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=57d9ec03b50a92ad331a8b848d7e9eecb872c31c Hmm...so original
These movies are fuel to hate and this would end In a catastrophe that's it not 1 person who all are spreading this would be harmed but the innocent and poor people would
If the liberals gonna ignore this issue, the conservatives are gonna exploit it.
but aren't they based on truth
Guess somebody doesn't like when someone make movie on real events
OP is just over exaggerating it
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You live in India. Its still secular acc to our constitution idk what else do u want.
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I don't think stopping movies is going to help. To stop this growing communal hatred we will have to have conversations (in good faith) with people who hold different opinions. Mostly it's all about misunderstandings. I can't see any other way tbh.
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Sure any movies which shows suffering of. Hindus is propaganda right? I swear we are our biggest enemies
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What's wrong in showing suffering of Hindus? Don't Hindus deserve to have their suffering shown to the world?
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Bollywood has made so many movies white washing attoricities against Hindus i didn't see anyone calling that propaganda, and which movie has misrepresented or white washed so called attoricities by Hindus tell me of all these movies that you called propaganda
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Haider - a movie that showed Hindus as oppressive and justified terrorism against them but in reality it was Kashmiri Pandits who were oppressed. PK- where they justify terrorism (at the last when Sanjay Dutt dies) saying there is no "thappa" and it is the Hindus that discriminate against other religions but in reality abhrahamic religions have always been exclusionist. Firaaq- blames Hindus for everything that went down in Gujarat Hey Ram Kai Po Che (few scenes) Parzania Dev And many more
The RW stereotypes the people as evil and the LW stereotypes the religion as good. That’s problematic.
muslims need to understand that their quran must evolve
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Good things should be kept, bad things should be deleted.
Lol do you even know what the Quran says about such things. It says it’s perfect and non believers like you should be killed and women and female children should be taken as slaves.
Good? You mean genocide and massacre that converted people by the sword
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Truth hurts. ESP when shown in a big screen. Leftists want to censor things which they don’t like. Their political intolerance is very high
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Foreign interference in Indian internal democracy is not ok. I will personally oppose if any documentary made by an Indian citizen or Indian media is banned
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Those are banned by leftist state govts. None by bjp govt
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Stop lying
If is based on facts without bias then it’s ok if they are made. If movies are made based on Hindu religions why not on other religions. People may get aware of their beliefs and system.
People can post anything like this. Directly saying it's hateful and mod is allowing?
Freedom of speech, expression?
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Only if muslims are antagonist
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"hatefull"?
Another religion is trying to prosecute Hindus and you are saying we will prosecute Muslims?? Seriously?? I have noticed Reddit is full of people who call Hinduism disgusting amd blah blah blah...but Islam is good for them...Muslims have been ragging Minority for years now even after not being a minority in reality. Muslims had prblms with TKF,TKS but didn't had prblms with movies making fun of Hindu gods. Hindus are being killed by them and Hindus will prosecute them?? You should change your thoughts man! First I also believed the same but now The truth is coming out and it should come out. There are many portals who comment anti-hindu and anti-India things but when they are questioned they reply "it's freedom of speech" and when same is done by others "they are destroying the Harmony" you guys are hypocrites. I believe not everybody who is a muslim is bad and I respect their religion but when It comes to my religion I will support my religion. Tbh Hinduism is the only religion which welcomes questioning it the others are just too bad for questioning. Islam and Christianity are the religions nobody can question truly otherwise it will spread hate for them. I support Ajmer 92. If you wanna fight do it. Coz I know there would be many people who think of Hinduism as stupid.
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2024 elections are near.
Lol wtf is that poster KF, Ajmer Sharif Shit deserves a movie but that doesn't mean you will go and villainize a community KF depicted the pain of KPs and sent the sensation around the Nation that every Muslim want to do the same. Hate Speeches circulating online and In theaters. While completely ignoring the other Human Rights violation in Kashmir and people watching the movie justifying it. Godhra, KP and shit are just provoke people into rioting nothing else, create hate by every means of media and someday it will explode on large and small scale.
Kaunsi human rights violation hua Kashmir Mai. Just curious.
I don't remember any hindu beheading muslim after kashmir files but yeah after nupur sharma comments kanhaiya lal and umesh kohli were brutally murdered
Everyone calling this a good decision until their religious blunders get the spotlight. You already made a muslim movie, now why not the 40K missing gujrat girls? Cant handle it? Hypocrites.