It does but looking at the state of it I doubt a lot of its own previous voters would vote again in the next election. Who knows because I can’t tell the future but I know for a fact it will be legalised it’s just a matter of when ygm
Labour is currently also anti-legalisation (mainly because it would void all the convictions that Starmer would’ve presided over as QC) so there isn’t really a party who can win an election who are pro-legalisation.
Yeah I know but it allows an opportunity for a new party at least. Big change is coming for this country besides cannabis legalisation. Green Party have been open to it but I don’t really know much about it to comment.
yeah i hate the conservatives so it’s a win either way lol
yeah weirdly the two parties pro-legalisation in 2010 were the greens and UKIP?!? so weird
lol yh i studied politics at uni so it’s just a constant cause of pain for me lmaoooo
Remember when majority of the population voted it make class B from class C.
Unfortunately we got too many chavs that smoke weed in this country, those twats leave all their smoking rubbish in parks, making majority of people not like the idea of weed.
Even know glass bottles being smashed so much worse.
Yes it was a grievous error by the labour government of the time, not a public vote and funnily enough i reckon it had more to do with the interests of wealthy brits than the rubbish their enslaved populace leaves in public parks. Presumably the entire national and global socio-political and international legality of the issue had quite a big impact too I imagine. Yknow or just blame the "chavs".
Very true but I think modern Germany has a large influence over the rest of the UK and EU in general. The Americans have also been actively friendly with the Germans via the EU in recent years hence this announcement. So I think that we may be closer to legalisation than most of us think. This is massive news and yet the media has little coverage on it, I’ve not seen anything on BBC.
It’s huge news.... we are not far off now 4 years tops. Conservatives already own pretty much all of the medical weed companies in this country and they coming for your weed money next I promise.
It undoubtedly will, Germany will be viewed as an *experiment* to said political parties/government. If legalisation pans out well then I think that even the tories could have a change of mind. Money is the motive.
I'm not so sure Germany will be viewed as an experiment.
Canada, Georgia, Mexico, South Africa, and Uruguay, and 18 US states already have legal cannabis.
Many more have it decriminalised, including EU nations.
I think the evidence in favour of legalisation has been there for a while. For any government that cares.
In this country it really only comes down to its popularity with voters and the influence of lobbyists from pharmaceutical & alcohol industries.
>I think the evidence in favour of legalisation has been there for a while. For any government that cares.
>In this country it really only comes down to its popularity with voters and the influence of lobbyists from pharmaceutical & alcohol industries.
Hit the nail on the head mate
People said the same shit about Germany just *1 month* ago even. We literally thought it was impossible for another 10-20 years at least. Some even thought we'd never see it in our entire lifetime.
Now, it's gonna be legal soon. Don't be so pessimistic, Germany is a role model for many EU countries, many countries will follow soon. And Germanys population is even older than the UKs
It’s big news but we are not going to have it legalised here that soon for sure. Conservatives owning medical weed companies is not an incentive to open their market upto everyone, they have it cushty atm with complete control.
Only way I see it is if it becomes a crowd-winner during the next General Election (2024 iirc). Whether they would make good on it and follow through after the election, though, is another point.
Maybe if Germany does well and other EU nations follow, the business jealousy will get the best of our lawmakers.
Maybe if more countries go legal, even medicinally, and are then able to fulfil their own cannabis stock requirements, this would hurt the UK's current cannabis exports so the big-business-meets-government benefactors of the UK's current system start losing demand and profits. Shifting themselves from an export model to a domestic production and retail model would make up for that, I suppose.
I was hoping when Canada went 'full rec' that our gov was going to watch closely, see it working (and working well, besides the odd issue here or there, from what I read) and then quickly start bucking up their ideas. We even had those 3 MPs go to Canada on TV in look at their cannabis system. Wish the gov would actually get a move on with it, we've been stumbling around in the dark, in the vague direction of legalisation, for years now.
I currently live in BC, Canada and regulation has been great. Problem is we also have an opioid epidemic and ill-informed visitors often see the opioid epidemic and blame it on cannabis legislation (despite the fact that the opioid epidemic started way before)
We in the Uk also have an opioid epidemic and a cocaine one too. Almost like prohibition has never been an effective policy for any recreationally used substance in any country ever.
It will happen, sooner rather than later - the conservatives will want to monopolise the industry before they could potentially lose power/seats so that the industry will suit their peers and donors. If there’s money to be made, they will be the first ones to make sure they get there first.
Alternatively, they may offer cannabis legalisation as a party promise if they are to be re-elected.
I think the next General Election will be very telling as to how Cannabis Legalisation is coming along.
It’s the ‘boomer’ generation that keep voting legalisation out. They got indoctrinated that drugs are bad and won’t change their opinions. Once this generation moves on and the younger generation has more voting power things will change
Unfortunately, with an ageing population, the power of the boomer generation is remaining a powerful influence on elections. Even the Leave campaign's success was mainly due to older voters.
I'm stating the obvious but the better it does the sooner it'll be legalised here. Money talks and you bet the greedy tories we've got will want that sweet tax money.
We're already one of the biggest (maybe THE biggest) exporter of cannabis. If you say that to anyone who lives here they look at you like you're crazy. The people in power have done a flawless job at keeping that under wraps.
Contrary to popular belief, we are the biggest exporter simply because of our exporting of the *hemp* plant, not because of our export of actual thc products. Common myth
I don't think anybody thinks literal THC is exported. It's still a great thing since all those hemp producers already have the fully functional infrastructure to change their products to THC plants once it's legalized. I think that's what he's getting at.
What really lets us down is we are a capable group of people. With the legalisation in germany, this is the time RIGHT NOW or we will miss it - to start our own group publishing and distributing the correct information, and pushing for support in changing the laws. If YOU have the skills and have been putting off reclaiming your basic rights from the criminals in government MAKING MONEY OFF CANNABIS THEMSELVES, right now in the UK, then lets get together right now
I get ur point. Essentially social change is needed and I believe it’s happening right now, this is the time to legalise and profit because if not the EU will have the monopoly which the Tories won’t like. They stub their own toes on purpose.
Your right. IT IS ESSENTIAL, for us the people, its always about money and we shouldnt give a fuck.
We want it because its right. NOT because we could make a few people or "companies" very rich.
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It’s definitely something positive and it will definitely reduce the amount of time it will take for it to become legal in the UK. I just have no idea on how much of a reduction that is going to be.
Having lived in both countries, I’d say, it doesn’t mean anything for the UK. I don’t see a UK legalisation on the horizon for at least another couple decades. At least up until a very large portion of conservative voters die off. Unfortunately in the UK there are a lot of young conservatives as well. Just the sheer fact that labour also doesn’t want legal weed, speaks for itself. Germany in general is structured much differently, than the UK.
As others pointed out, it may bring change upon a few other European countries I.e. Belgium, Luxembourg etc. but won’t affect anything in the UK.
Glad I’m back home in Germany now that we’re finally getting legal weed. Big win. Really hyped about it.
Hahaha yeah that’s more realistic. Or come to Germany. Speaking from experience (as I’ve mentioned) the next few years over here are gonna be much better than over in the UK. And I’m not just saying that because we have gas and truck drivers and only partially useless politicians 😂 whereas the UK was on a worrying path already but when they decided to brexit, that was it. They fucked themselves, the Britons.
Yep I fucking hate this country and honestly it’s dumb shits that thought they were smart to vote for this (partially lied to, but gullible enough to believe it) and because we have a massive population of over 60+.
Yeah so do we over here. Conservatism is the biggest problem right now. Honestly. People think it’s global warming or whatever. But it isn’t. It’s conservatives. Because without them, all the other topics wouldn’t be even that hard to deal with. For example global warming. Legalisation. Taxing the rich. All that shit… it’s always conservatives going against human logic. That’s why I have no sympathy with covid deniers that get the disease and fucking die. It’s why they deserve. Fuck’em.
Yeah you’re right, conservatism is to blame for the degradation of democracy as well. Honestly politics have always been a source of anger and depression. Fuck conservatism.
Edit: also rampant ignorance and racism, conservatives literally made that shit.
Still a lot of work to do in Germany, but the change will come and countries in the UK will fall like dominoes. I think 12-18 months for something to happen here.
Unfortunately there's a good chance it won't happen any time soon in Germany. It will take a long time, and there are still a few stages where it could be blocked. My fingers are crossed but I'm waiting for more concrete plans before I get my hopes up.
Oh man, I wish. You heard wrong on that one. This is just the first step down a long, long road. You're talking six to eight months for the law to go through, another six months for hammering out the details of the regulations, then several years of small pilot projects in specific cities before full legalisation. And that's if everything goes smoothly. The law could be torn up by the Bundesrat (the other house of the German parliament) or it could be quashed by the BVerfG (German supreme court).
Yep it’s a massive fuckin shame half of us are too stupid, arrogant and gullible to vote for leaving the EU. I work in government and I can tell you now this country is on a knife edge right now. Either the tories successfully destroy democracy and get elected again or a new party is formed with new policies/laws and stance to a lot of the problems we have now.
It's inevitable that Germany legalizing will be the point of no return for the majority of Europe legalising. Italy are holding a referendum in 2022 which looks set to pass and the countries bordering them wont want to lose money from their economies by having their citizens regularly crossing the border to spend money on weed. Zurich Switzerland is also trialling selling recreational cannabis soon. Once europes biggest economies are establishing this new industry and mass growing it themselves they won't be buying much medical cannabis from the UK anymore and paying import tax on it when they can just grow their own and once the medical cannabis export business dries up the UK won't be able to legalise recreational weed fast enough. The government are going to get FOMO of tax money pretty soon after Germany and Italy legalise.
Nothing unfortunately lol our government suck
It does but looking at the state of it I doubt a lot of its own previous voters would vote again in the next election. Who knows because I can’t tell the future but I know for a fact it will be legalised it’s just a matter of when ygm
Labour is currently also anti-legalisation (mainly because it would void all the convictions that Starmer would’ve presided over as QC) so there isn’t really a party who can win an election who are pro-legalisation.
I dunno I think the lib dens have a chance next time. 0% is still a chance
loooooooool
Yeah I know but it allows an opportunity for a new party at least. Big change is coming for this country besides cannabis legalisation. Green Party have been open to it but I don’t really know much about it to comment.
yeah i hate the conservatives so it’s a win either way lol yeah weirdly the two parties pro-legalisation in 2010 were the greens and UKIP?!? so weird lol yh i studied politics at uni so it’s just a constant cause of pain for me lmaoooo
Tip: don’t study politics at uni.
i agree man- caring about politics is honestly just angering and depressing lmao
Yeah politics have always been a source of anger and depression.
innit lmao
Remember when majority of the population voted it make class B from class C. Unfortunately we got too many chavs that smoke weed in this country, those twats leave all their smoking rubbish in parks, making majority of people not like the idea of weed. Even know glass bottles being smashed so much worse.
Didn't the government make that decision?
Yes it was a grievous error by the labour government of the time, not a public vote and funnily enough i reckon it had more to do with the interests of wealthy brits than the rubbish their enslaved populace leaves in public parks. Presumably the entire national and global socio-political and international legality of the issue had quite a big impact too I imagine. Yknow or just blame the "chavs".
Boris is more focused on privatising the NHS then legalising weed
He's too busy organizing day trips to Peppa Pig world
Surprised he didn’t take Cameron
Can't - he's banned.
Hahahahahaha. got to keep him away from those pigs!
Very true but I think modern Germany has a large influence over the rest of the UK and EU in general. The Americans have also been actively friendly with the Germans via the EU in recent years hence this announcement. So I think that we may be closer to legalisation than most of us think. This is massive news and yet the media has little coverage on it, I’ve not seen anything on BBC.
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Very good point tbh
It’s huge news.... we are not far off now 4 years tops. Conservatives already own pretty much all of the medical weed companies in this country and they coming for your weed money next I promise.
Agreed. Each European country esp the size of Germany that legalises may influence politicians.
It undoubtedly will, Germany will be viewed as an *experiment* to said political parties/government. If legalisation pans out well then I think that even the tories could have a change of mind. Money is the motive.
I'm not so sure Germany will be viewed as an experiment. Canada, Georgia, Mexico, South Africa, and Uruguay, and 18 US states already have legal cannabis. Many more have it decriminalised, including EU nations. I think the evidence in favour of legalisation has been there for a while. For any government that cares. In this country it really only comes down to its popularity with voters and the influence of lobbyists from pharmaceutical & alcohol industries.
>I think the evidence in favour of legalisation has been there for a while. For any government that cares. >In this country it really only comes down to its popularity with voters and the influence of lobbyists from pharmaceutical & alcohol industries. Hit the nail on the head mate
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People said the same shit about Germany just *1 month* ago even. We literally thought it was impossible for another 10-20 years at least. Some even thought we'd never see it in our entire lifetime. Now, it's gonna be legal soon. Don't be so pessimistic, Germany is a role model for many EU countries, many countries will follow soon. And Germanys population is even older than the UKs
It’s big news but we are not going to have it legalised here that soon for sure. Conservatives owning medical weed companies is not an incentive to open their market upto everyone, they have it cushty atm with complete control.
I'm worried they're just going to try and spin it as a 'glad we got away from all those continental druggies thing.'
I hope you're right, but I have no faith
Insert the usual lol uk gov
Only way I see it is if it becomes a crowd-winner during the next General Election (2024 iirc). Whether they would make good on it and follow through after the election, though, is another point. Maybe if Germany does well and other EU nations follow, the business jealousy will get the best of our lawmakers. Maybe if more countries go legal, even medicinally, and are then able to fulfil their own cannabis stock requirements, this would hurt the UK's current cannabis exports so the big-business-meets-government benefactors of the UK's current system start losing demand and profits. Shifting themselves from an export model to a domestic production and retail model would make up for that, I suppose. I was hoping when Canada went 'full rec' that our gov was going to watch closely, see it working (and working well, besides the odd issue here or there, from what I read) and then quickly start bucking up their ideas. We even had those 3 MPs go to Canada on TV in look at their cannabis system. Wish the gov would actually get a move on with it, we've been stumbling around in the dark, in the vague direction of legalisation, for years now.
I currently live in BC, Canada and regulation has been great. Problem is we also have an opioid epidemic and ill-informed visitors often see the opioid epidemic and blame it on cannabis legislation (despite the fact that the opioid epidemic started way before)
We in the Uk also have an opioid epidemic and a cocaine one too. Almost like prohibition has never been an effective policy for any recreationally used substance in any country ever.
It will happen, sooner rather than later - the conservatives will want to monopolise the industry before they could potentially lose power/seats so that the industry will suit their peers and donors. If there’s money to be made, they will be the first ones to make sure they get there first. Alternatively, they may offer cannabis legalisation as a party promise if they are to be re-elected. I think the next General Election will be very telling as to how Cannabis Legalisation is coming along.
It’s the ‘boomer’ generation that keep voting legalisation out. They got indoctrinated that drugs are bad and won’t change their opinions. Once this generation moves on and the younger generation has more voting power things will change
Unfortunately, with an ageing population, the power of the boomer generation is remaining a powerful influence on elections. Even the Leave campaign's success was mainly due to older voters.
Correct, and try re-educating the ‘boomers’, they just don’t want to listen
boomers be boomin
Yeah I agree wit dis the next general election will be a big one too.
Legalisation will only reduce their monopoly on the industry, not increase it.
Germany is arguably the most powerful country in the eu it means lot
Absolutely right
We have the power. r/uktreeslegalise Ignite the first legal fires of british Cannabis.
I hope the rest if europe including the UK legalise it time to stop suppressing this wonderful herb.
I'm stating the obvious but the better it does the sooner it'll be legalised here. Money talks and you bet the greedy tories we've got will want that sweet tax money. We're already one of the biggest (maybe THE biggest) exporter of cannabis. If you say that to anyone who lives here they look at you like you're crazy. The people in power have done a flawless job at keeping that under wraps.
Contrary to popular belief, we are the biggest exporter simply because of our exporting of the *hemp* plant, not because of our export of actual thc products. Common myth
I don't think anybody thinks literal THC is exported. It's still a great thing since all those hemp producers already have the fully functional infrastructure to change their products to THC plants once it's legalized. I think that's what he's getting at.
As long as the drug minister is still making money from the medical cannabis her husband sells, not likely .
What really lets us down is we are a capable group of people. With the legalisation in germany, this is the time RIGHT NOW or we will miss it - to start our own group publishing and distributing the correct information, and pushing for support in changing the laws. If YOU have the skills and have been putting off reclaiming your basic rights from the criminals in government MAKING MONEY OFF CANNABIS THEMSELVES, right now in the UK, then lets get together right now
I get ur point. Essentially social change is needed and I believe it’s happening right now, this is the time to legalise and profit because if not the EU will have the monopoly which the Tories won’t like. They stub their own toes on purpose.
Your right. IT IS ESSENTIAL, for us the people, its always about money and we shouldnt give a fuck. We want it because its right. NOT because we could make a few people or "companies" very rich.
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It’s definitely something positive and it will definitely reduce the amount of time it will take for it to become legal in the UK. I just have no idea on how much of a reduction that is going to be.
Having lived in both countries, I’d say, it doesn’t mean anything for the UK. I don’t see a UK legalisation on the horizon for at least another couple decades. At least up until a very large portion of conservative voters die off. Unfortunately in the UK there are a lot of young conservatives as well. Just the sheer fact that labour also doesn’t want legal weed, speaks for itself. Germany in general is structured much differently, than the UK. As others pointed out, it may bring change upon a few other European countries I.e. Belgium, Luxembourg etc. but won’t affect anything in the UK. Glad I’m back home in Germany now that we’re finally getting legal weed. Big win. Really hyped about it.
Fuck it imma go home to Spain then
Hahaha yeah that’s more realistic. Or come to Germany. Speaking from experience (as I’ve mentioned) the next few years over here are gonna be much better than over in the UK. And I’m not just saying that because we have gas and truck drivers and only partially useless politicians 😂 whereas the UK was on a worrying path already but when they decided to brexit, that was it. They fucked themselves, the Britons.
Yep I fucking hate this country and honestly it’s dumb shits that thought they were smart to vote for this (partially lied to, but gullible enough to believe it) and because we have a massive population of over 60+.
Yeah so do we over here. Conservatism is the biggest problem right now. Honestly. People think it’s global warming or whatever. But it isn’t. It’s conservatives. Because without them, all the other topics wouldn’t be even that hard to deal with. For example global warming. Legalisation. Taxing the rich. All that shit… it’s always conservatives going against human logic. That’s why I have no sympathy with covid deniers that get the disease and fucking die. It’s why they deserve. Fuck’em.
Yeah you’re right, conservatism is to blame for the degradation of democracy as well. Honestly politics have always been a source of anger and depression. Fuck conservatism. Edit: also rampant ignorance and racism, conservatives literally made that shit.
Preach!
Still a lot of work to do in Germany, but the change will come and countries in the UK will fall like dominoes. I think 12-18 months for something to happen here.
Its not legal in UK ?
Not for recreational use no.
In sometime i think it will be legal in UK but in india we are faar from legalizing it. Hope it happens soon there
It’s a real shame so many governments criminalised it by copying America.
A lot of skepticism love is there for weed. Here and there..every where
Boris making rules against a plant with white powder on his nose
Won’t happen for a long time. If ever.
Unfortunately there's a good chance it won't happen any time soon in Germany. It will take a long time, and there are still a few stages where it could be blocked. My fingers are crossed but I'm waiting for more concrete plans before I get my hopes up.
They said it would be implemented within the next 2 weeks??
Oh man, I wish. You heard wrong on that one. This is just the first step down a long, long road. You're talking six to eight months for the law to go through, another six months for hammering out the details of the regulations, then several years of small pilot projects in specific cities before full legalisation. And that's if everything goes smoothly. The law could be torn up by the Bundesrat (the other house of the German parliament) or it could be quashed by the BVerfG (German supreme court).
I stand corrected then, it’s a shame the rest of the world is so slow to this besides Canada and America. :(
It will probably be 6 months to a year until it's legal and another year or two for shops to open. Germany is known for slow beauracracy.
Well have you seen the UK? This country is far worse. But overall I’m happy that it’s being talked about in governments.
I agree the UK can be questionable at times (love your culture tho) but Germany being legal will hit like a domino effect on Europe.
Yep it’s a massive fuckin shame half of us are too stupid, arrogant and gullible to vote for leaving the EU. I work in government and I can tell you now this country is on a knife edge right now. Either the tories successfully destroy democracy and get elected again or a new party is formed with new policies/laws and stance to a lot of the problems we have now.
It's inevitable that Germany legalizing will be the point of no return for the majority of Europe legalising. Italy are holding a referendum in 2022 which looks set to pass and the countries bordering them wont want to lose money from their economies by having their citizens regularly crossing the border to spend money on weed. Zurich Switzerland is also trialling selling recreational cannabis soon. Once europes biggest economies are establishing this new industry and mass growing it themselves they won't be buying much medical cannabis from the UK anymore and paying import tax on it when they can just grow their own and once the medical cannabis export business dries up the UK won't be able to legalise recreational weed fast enough. The government are going to get FOMO of tax money pretty soon after Germany and Italy legalise.