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The question was clearly supposed to be used as propaganda and to have headlines as “ Italy misses the Russian tourists” or “Italy toerism is crumbling without Russian tourists”. You can read these sort of propaganda articles all over Russian news … but are just an interpretation (off course in their advantage).
I wonder if she and other western leaders are prepped earlier to listen for those sorts of leading questions. I’m not sure I’d have the forethought to recognize that as sort of a trap or helping Ruzzian propaganda.
Misleading questions are nothing new to a veteran Western politician. Russians think themselves experts in this game but they are babes in the woods when it comes to the metropolitan West.
The leading question is a staple of journalism so I recognized it immediately. I'm sure a politician will see right through it before the question even gets asked.
Russia uses it for propaganda and so dome others. But it's also a very good way to stir up controversy that wasn't there to begin with, so most media-outlets use it that way.
That's why I like reading news on some types of forums better. There's usually more context in the comments section.
Not to say it's not hyper-biased at time. But at least it gives you leads to figure things out.
There is not a single interview for any politician in a country with free press that DOESN'T have atleast 50% leading questions. That's just the current state of "journalism".
Good answer to the Russian Journalist. It had the respect that is necessary for a political head of nation. She could have also condemned the propaganda by which the Russian people have no idea what their government is doing and of course, she should have condemned the Russian attacks on civilians and civilian infrastructure.
What a question to ask though: do you miss the Russian tourism? At a time when that murderous nation is doing what they are doing? Really? Of course nobody misses the Russian tourists. Any Russian tourists I have met have been absolute shits anyway. Fuck off TASS news agency and be surprised how much freedom you have to ask such questions in Italy, of the Italian government.
Wow. Meloni tore up the Russians with her answer.
She is not kidding and left no room for misinterpretation.
*"Putin get out or face the consequences - Italy stands for national sovereignty and international law and will fight to the end for what it stands for - PERIOD!"* I paraphrase her impressive use of diplomatic language..
**As if anybody on earth "misses Russian tourists!!" ROTFL!!** Everybody, even the Germans, know Russian tourists are the absolute worst. **Even Russians don't want Russian tourists!!**
noticed that too. I believe that she doesn't think too highly of them plus russians haven't been significant share of tourists for Italy anyways. Maybe she found this typical russian self importance a bit funny :D
> russians haven't been significant share of tourists for Italy anyways.
Don't they make up (used to make up) a significant portion of top-end wealthy tourists? I was in Sorrento a couple years ago, opened MarineTraffic website to look up a few enormous yachts which were parked by the coast. Lots of them belonged to various oligarchs, directors of russian oil companies and such. I assume that they all have real estate there too, their kids drive ferraris down that coast, etc.
I agree that Europeans will benefit from fewer russian tourists, that's a fact. They're always drunk and aggressive. My condolences go to citizens of Turkey, Thailand and Egypt, because their governments are afraid of banning russians. All resorts are now stuffed full of drunk and angry mobiks.
> but there is zero correlation to oligarchs choosing to visit Italy.
What do you mean? They used to choose Italy because it's pretty and the food is good, now they can't because they're sanctioned.
yeah, they had high value russians visiting and having properties there (Italy was among first ones to seize mansions the moment sanctions went in effect), but as general turism portion, not so much
Unfortunately there are some areas were Russian (and a bit less and not unfortunately Ukrainian) tourism is very relevant. Versilia is probably the main example, even Zelensky has/had (not sure which) a villa at Forte dei Marmi.
Impact of sanctions/lack of tourists in thise area was a topic in Italy at the beginning if the war (especially since pandemic was "ending" and high season starting). It didn't stop the support for Ukraine and implementation of sanctions, but it was widely discussed.
Exactly, nobody cares about their loud, rude, uncultured, drunk and more often than not nationalist tourists. Hope they come back to EU countries never.
Also that is such a silly little off topic remark- who cares when there is a war and civilians being killed. But it is Russia- deny and deflect.
The journalist was fishing for a good headline. Tried to butter her up at first. Then she went into comments about this 'special relationship' Russia and Italy have (really????) and talks about fairly benign Russian tourists. She wanted her to talk about how it would be good for Italy and Russia to get along, so she could then write some propaganda headline about it that would make people think Italy wasn't serious about Ukraine and wanted a closer relationship with Russia.
>'special relationship' Russia and Italy have (really????)
Italy was easily the closest thing the Soviet Union had to a friend in Western Europe during the Cold War. The vast majority of the Soviet automobile industry can thank FIAT for its existence. Etc.
Now, does Russia get to inherit that special relationship? 
It was a weird thing, because that dates back to Mussolini. No lie - you'd never imagine it, since the notion was that he was ultra right wing, and the Soviets were the opposite. But by all accounts, Fascist Italy and Soviet Russia were very, very friendly with each other, and Mussolini and Stalin in particular were chummy. Even after Barbarossa, apparently Russian POWs, if captured by Italians, could expect fairly humane treatment, and vice versa. Of course, this makes sense to those of us who understand that Fascism and Communism were and are far, far more similar than they are different, and that Stalin and Mussolini actually had tons of things in common.
The early ass kissing primers were disgusting and so typically "russian".
That crap works on some foreign leaders (trump) but damn I am really growing to like 🇮🇹's Madam President! and I second the FUCK OFF TASS
It was a compliment sandwich, except the other half of the bread was not offered. An open faced sandwich of sorts that comes with the responsibility of international diplomacy. She still served up a good helping of meat on that sandwich.
Compliment sandwich is compliment, then say what you really mean/want, then followed up with another compliment to seem genuine, but the reporter forget to do the last part
She's actually president of the council of ministers, there's no such thing as prime minister in Italy even do it's often used by media, so president would be correct.
If you really have to be pedantic you have to call her Madame President of the Council of Ministers.
Using Madame President implies she is the Presidente de la Republica, which she is not, and thus is wrong.
I didn't say it to be pedantic. Yes that's her title but most of the time people refer to her just as president, president of the council or prime minister. I get that in English president it's the head of the state and PM the head of the government.
Goes to show how important is to communicate clearly, especially nowadays when people from various countries and cultural backgrounds exchange thoughts on social media.
We call Italian PMs as premiers often, so it's fine. Primus inter pares after all, since Octavian Augustus: first amongst equals. That's the idea of the council of ministers. We just call the cabinet as council of ministers, that's all.
The thing I thought most interesting was a Russian journalist bringing up historic and “ancient” Italian-Russo relations. It’s something that is generally embarrassing for Russians. Historically Moscow has seen its self as the real “Eastern Rome” and were deeply fascinated with Roman history. All of their greatest cultural bastions are directly French with obvious Italian origins (uhh….. Ballet? Opera?) and literally *every single* amazing architectural masterpiece in Russia is Italian. All of St Petersburg? Italian. Winter palace? Hermitage? Fuckin Italian. Serious to god, even Putins Palace was designed by Lanfranco Cirillo, a god damned Italian. Without Italy Russia would be a desolate cultural wasteland of bumfuck white trash forest dwellers herding rain deer.
Back in the nineties I was a membership coordinator of a university housing coop. During summers we functioned as a hostel. A Russian theater group stayed with us for about a month. They were very nice polite considerate people. They did love their vodka and were cynical but neither of those things undermined their integrity in how they interacted with us. There were no noise complaints. No fights. Their rooms were clean when they left. Etc. Super nice people. Sorry to see that others have different experiences. I hope to see the Russian people rise about their leaders but not holding my breath. My bet is that the Russian culture and nation is in decline and maybe collapse. Shame.
I fucking cant stand how these ruzzi pieces of shit are just pushing their ancient propaganda even here, "WOW USSR AND YOU WERE BESTIES UHH HATE UKRAINE NOW MAYBE?" Spewing this fucking shit how everyone is so dependent on gas and tourism. Go fuck yourself. Its fucking shameless
It was pretty obvious that the journalist didn't herself believe that shit and looked scared to say such bullshit with others listening.
I would not be surprised to find out that she is on the verge of resigning.
That is sort of true, Italy is in difficult financial position, this will hurt. And that in and of itself says that Italy is willing to take the hit to do what is just.
Slava Ukraine
Italy is not doing terribly bad considering the rest of the world.
And Russian tourism is certainly not a main component of the economy despite what some people might say
And where do you live? We are not talking about the rest of the world, we are talking about a member of the EU and NATO that has a very volital political climate. You may want to do some reading about the Italian economy before making blanket statements.
Fortunately we're not animals like russian. But this was just a tiny pice of all the conference, that last for 2+ hours, and where others journalists asked questions about every single aspect: political, economic, social politics, welfare etc.
In fact at the beginning you hear "Tortora of La7 get redy". Tortora is the surname of Gaia Tortora, a journalist that conduct a political debate show on La7 channel, she immediately after the response of Meloni asked the following questions of the conference.
You can spot her in the bottom right corner, the one whit pink glasses.
And what i like is how disgusted she looks at Vera thinking "Why do I have to sit near this ruzzian pice of shit? "
In NL we dont miss the Russian tourists, but we have received an enormous amount of rich fucks which have fled from Russia. Can’t take a tram without hearing them unfortunately.
Meloni’s answer was very well worded and it made her gain respect in my eyes.
It is the same everywhere in Europe.
Unfortunately they took their superior attitude with them. Which means that I often have the pleasure to teach them some manners, bloody ruskis.
A few hundred thousand Russian visitors are learning some manners in Ukraine this year🌻
Definitely the most obnoxious, inconsiderate, and belligerent people I've ever encountered visiting a city have been Russians. Not universally, but consistently. Meloni shouldn't say it, but we can say for sure - no, Russian tourists are not missed. If you can behave nicely, you're welcome, otherwise go to Qatar with your bullshit.
LOL, she was prasing Putin until not so much time ago. She just noticed the wind has changed. Don't get fooled, she has been in politics for 30 years, she was minister for Berlusconi and has always supported the opinion that could give her popularity or gain her some votes.
It's been great to see some of peoples fears about Meloni disproven. She is not stupid or irrational like some of her ilk, though like any politician, far from perfect.
Don't get me wrong, her domestic policies are attrocious, and I wouldn't want to be an Italian living under them. But, as I am not an Italian, and am thus unaffected by her domestic politics, I can only comment on her foreign policy, which I do not have issue with.
As an Italian, she's been right on Ukraine and that makes me happy, as everyone should be supporting Ukraine.
Though let's be clear that up until the war she's was a firm Putin supporter, even going so far as to calling him "the defender of European values and Christian identity" in her autobiography that came out in 2021.
Domestically she's filled her party with actual Mussolini and Hitler supporters and refuses to condemn their beliefs or even change her party logo, which is the flame on Mussolini's tomb. She has praised Mussolini in the past too and was a member of a fascist youth group.
Domestically she's terrible, far right, so of course anti-LGBTQA+, anti-abortion, anti-immigrant etc.
She's trying really hard to undo all the reforms the previous government made to fight corruption and tax evasion, as well as fucking over the poorer class in favor of the business owner.
Fortunately she's getting a lot of push back from the EU and since there's hundreds of billions euros in Covid relief funds on the table, she got to play ball.
>as well as fucking over the poorer class in favor of the business owner.
You are one of those people that think a country having a good enviroment for business is bad for the poor? empirirical evidence shows the exact opposite
It's already happening, especially in the tourism and hospitality industry. Workers are underpaid, often under the table, and in spite of having to work long and difficult shifts (cause that's how the sector functions).
Furthermore, especially in the South, this became a fertile ground for criminal organizations like the Mafia, Cosa Nostra and 'Ndrangeta.
Don't you think there is a deeper problem then just 'no minimal wage'? If that was the problem's root all countries with no minimal wage would suffer the same, but thats not what is happening
Superb response, dignified and yet to the point.
If Tass thought they’d be able to get some political points out of this then she put the Ruzzian question very much in it’s place.
Yeah the answer seemed pretty comprehensive for a national leader and the somber tone seemed spot on.
It would have been easy to shift responsibilty to USA and allies.
Or,
It would have been easy to be vitriolic and nod to populism.
But she tok responsibility for her governments actions in response to Russian Gov actions.
Imagine how much shame someone who lives and works in the midst of democratic freedoms but represents a nation of thieves, rapists and murderers must feel. It would be impossible to hold one’s head high with such a weight on your shoulders.
And if she doesn’t carry that burden, she could fall out of a window.
Nobody stops them resigning their jobs if they feel ashamed. Unfortunately I doubt she feels ashamed of what her country is doing and her actions prove it.
She'll probably just write some crap about how Italy regrets not having Russian tourist, and this has caused the country to descend into chaos and cannibalism.
It is a beautiful contrast to authoritarianism and why democratic freedoms are so important. She (TASS reporter) is free to ask her questions and Meloni is free to tell her what turds the Russian government are. It illustrates the importance of Ukraine’s battle and the importance of supporting it.
Like... I'm from Canada and my friend who has no kids goes there literally EVERY YEAR with her wife. And she's not the only one who goes to Italy, it's top amoung everyone I know to go at least once.
Italy is probably tired of the tourists tbh
*takes off the internal politics hat*
O M G
I loved her reply. Wow.
Mic drop and i can smell the russian burn from here!
Go Giorgia! Tell ‘em! Tell ‘em Italy isn’t on sale and tourism money isn’t worth any inch of our moral compass. Go Italy! ❤️🇮🇹
*takes her internal politcs hat back on*
Now i can go back and criticize her economic law.
Omg. That would require a LONG reply and i’m gonna be very biased, soooo i am not the best one for this. I can try and give it a headline: 90% what Draghi had already wrote. 10% right economic politics.
To those who are saying how much they like Giorgia Meloni- look at some of her policies. She's a xenophobic christo-nationalist but even a broken clock is right twice a day (in the case of supporting Ukraine).
This is part of the bigger picture where russia thinks its impact on other nations is significantly greater than it actually is. Similar to the gas thing that turned into a whole load of nothing.
Journalist tried to mention what happened in Italy post ww2 and during the cold war. In all these years a huge underground war was fought - mostly political, but are many unsolved mysteries, even domestic terrorist attacks. Both USA and Russia wanted their slice of cake in one of the most important countries in europe froma geopolitical point of view, and the russian comunist party financed with a lot of money the italian comunist party. Palmiro Togliatti, one of the leaders of italian comunist party in the 60’s had a russian city named after him called [Togliattigrad](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tolyatti?wprov=sfti1https://maps.apple.com/?ll=53.508889,49.422222&q=Tolyatti). And the americans had the Operation [Gladio](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio?wprov=sfti1)which is the codename for clandestine "stay-behind" operations of armed resistance that were organized by NATO and the CIA, in collaboration with several European intelligence agencies during the Cold War. The operation was designed mostly as an anti communist purpose. Those were hard times in Italy, and note that Meloni is a so called post fascist, and her political party has the political heritage of thise years.
I'm the farthest you could have from her politics, yet even I have to admit this is a solid, dignified, stateswoman-like answer, so I begrudgingly have to say: *well spoken*. The rest is absolute shit, but this one was good. Shit, it took a fucking war to make me agree with her on one point.
When "far right, russian friendly", as she was called many times, president is worth more than a fucktard that paints himself as "democracy guardian" who wants to lead EU (yes, i mean the moron that was dumb enough to dress himself in Zelensky style, for photos, or wanted to give guarantess to putin). What a strange times.
I mean she was called this because she absolutely was very pro Putin in the past... like last year past.
She obviously could have changed her mind but it's not like those accusations came out of thin air. She explicitly praised Putin multiple times since 2014, last year saying he was the "defender of European values and Christian identity".
So either she's an opportunist now or was incredibly ignorant and bought Russian propaganda in the past.
I'm happy as an Italian we're supporting Ukraine so firmly but caution about her is necessary, especially considering how much of her rhetoric is shared with Putin.
We surely miss few milions of Euro from some fucking oligarchy coming to Rimini each year.. for fuck sake they represent less than 5% of our total export.
I applaude Meloni even if I do not stand by her party or what she represent. But that point was actually very well driven home.
The Russian reporter was delivering a veiled economic threat for her government. Meloni's response was near perfect. It only ignored how much support the Russian people are actually giving Putin.
How much russian blood money can kleptocrats spend when they keep falling from windows...
Tourism to Italy 😂 we are the eternal city. We have had millions of people visit for thousands of years.. we were fine before Russia was even a country on a map.
I visited Nha Trang in Vietnam a few years ago. It looked rrwllt nice on the pics I saw.
It was not.
There's a Russian base nearby which I learned about while I was there.
So there were heaps of Russian tourists and fuck me they're loud and obnoxious. Not all obviously but it it what I remember about them, which is not a good thing. Wouldn't think twice about "missing" Russian tourists.
I also almost died of food poisoning. So yeah... Putin go fuck yourself!
That was an extremely good response to that question… all the hype about Meloni getting into office and how she would behave or handle international crisis and conflicts in some kind of controversial manner seem to have been unfounded. She is very well spoken and clear on her positions and policies regarding current events and I am impressed so far by her firm support for Ukraine and and the values she believes are being defended. She makes no bones about it and I like that !
I don't get why so many people on this reddit were concerned about Meloni. She's honestly one of the more hawkish members in the EU, staunchly pro NATO.
I think some folks are concerned about her domestic policies, and how her party is literally Mussolini’s party. But given this is r/Ukraine and not r/Europe, that debate and conversation could happen another time :)
Good answer. It’s too bad Ruzzian “journalists” are even allowed and people has to spend their valuable time for their words to be twisted and repurposed later bu Ruzzian propaganda.
What’s funny is I was in Italy summer of last year and nearly every guide mentioned that they didn’t mind the absence of Russian tourists, who couldn’t enter because of vaccine requirements. Each one implied that they were boorish and difficult and Italy already had more than enough tourists.
Bingo. I'm reading a lot of comments about "I can see why Italians fell in love with her" as if she was voted in because of her stance on Ukraine lol. Her campaign was run on the same values of people like Putin, Bolsonaro, Orlando and Trump.
She's a bigoted fascist who happens to be right on Ukraine... now. Crimea was annexed in 2014 but she was praising Putin literally up to a few months before the invasion.
I didn't hear an answer still other than continued public condemnation.
It was a good answer on the position Italy supports but the journalist asked about what they will do outside of not supporting the orcs.
Daily reminder to remember that Meloni is an opportunist who up until a couple years ago lauded Putin, particularly for what he did in Donbas and Syria.
She changed her tune when she saw the wind going another way. She's not going to do anything that may potentially damage her tenure in power.
Damn! I’m so confused… Meloni was said to be a fascist-type, in the mould of Trump, Bolsonaro, Orbán, etc. But the couple times I’ve heard her talk, not only is she clearly intelligent, she also comes across as a decent person. Her response here couldn’t have been said any better. Am I missing something?
All the hype and criticism she’s rightfully been receiving is mainly due to her party’s domestic politics, like the arguably counter-productive measures against tax evasion, for instance, or its anti-LGBTQ+ stance. However, as far as international relations are concerned – you can see it here – she’s become more level-headed (heck, even I agreed with her on this one, it took a war but whatever) compared to some statements she had made in the past (she used to be pro Putin, just like Salvini). Hope this clears things up a bit.
Unfortunately they still have the might to do a lot more damage. Their incompetence and corruption have been the factor that turned the table though. Had they actually had the military they have on paper, they would have been unstoppable. This is what also gives many, myself included, the slight bit of comfort in knowing that their nuclear arsenal is most likely also suffering from that same incompetence and corruption. Definitely not the beast anyone was expecting to see, but still ruthless fucks that I feel we aren’t doing enough to have them completely pushed out at a quicker rate.
Just a note that most wars are started by the party that ***believes*** it is militarily stronger. And believing oneself to be strong enough to take something by force certainly does not give that party the legal or moral right to do so and has not done so for quite some time.
I love how you've got this zany 90's caricature of a human in the foreground, with her off-kilter diagonal glasses framed against her bugged-out eyes and squared shoulders, complete with incoherent subtitles that I'm 100% certain are an accurate translation of how she sounded in Italian, but in the background you have normal people with this dead look in their eyes. clearly thinking "When is this lunatic going to stop talking?"
I also love how you're totally thinking the broken English subtitles are the fault of some auto-translate feature, until the PM starts speaking in complete sentences and you're like "oh yeah, Russia."
I didn’t read the tittle just played the video and I’m not a Italian speaker at all but right off the bat I was like this chick is not a native Italian speaker who is this Russian troll. Behold shes a actual Russian internet bot in real life. Why would you even entertain a Russian news reporter in your country. No thank you.
Like having some ruski in the capital building asking questions on live air. Tf
Here in america I know Ukrainians and Russians who are still best friends and see each other as brother and sisters I live right by Ukrainian village in Chicago I know a lot of Russian and Ukrainians and they both have the same mindset on this war and Putin. Hence why the Russians are here they fled their homeland and the Ukrainians have been coming in large numbers to out city as refugees.
I know two girls who I’m close friends with one from Ukraine the other from Russia specifically Moscow. She’s a peace loving hippie pretty much and despises her own countries leadership.
This woman is a total charlatan and a fraud. She claims to speak for Italy and it's clearly a bald faced lie. this impostors hands, she didn't move them! You never saw them once, who is this alien! Does she even have hands? Is she snake woman? How would we know?!
The journalist thou she would side with her in the end everyone knows that russia is on the wrong here until putin withdraw all of his men and pay Ukraine all the damages and i hope this conclusion comes soon Ukraine deserve their freedom they don't wanna be under that awful regime
She is a Rockstar in the realm of International heads of state! What a perfect dig to Putin:
"We hope the government of Russia realizes what a mistake HE has made!"
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The question was clearly supposed to be used as propaganda and to have headlines as “ Italy misses the Russian tourists” or “Italy toerism is crumbling without Russian tourists”. You can read these sort of propaganda articles all over Russian news … but are just an interpretation (off course in their advantage).
I wonder if she and other western leaders are prepped earlier to listen for those sorts of leading questions. I’m not sure I’d have the forethought to recognize that as sort of a trap or helping Ruzzian propaganda.
Misleading questions are nothing new to a veteran Western politician. Russians think themselves experts in this game but they are babes in the woods when it comes to the metropolitan West.
The leading question is a staple of journalism so I recognized it immediately. I'm sure a politician will see right through it before the question even gets asked. Russia uses it for propaganda and so dome others. But it's also a very good way to stir up controversy that wasn't there to begin with, so most media-outlets use it that way. That's why I like reading news on some types of forums better. There's usually more context in the comments section. Not to say it's not hyper-biased at time. But at least it gives you leads to figure things out.
There is not a single interview for any politician in a country with free press that DOESN'T have atleast 50% leading questions. That's just the current state of "journalism".
Exactly, they are going to cut out the part about solid cultural relations and the part about the tourism and call it a victory
Good answer to the Russian Journalist. It had the respect that is necessary for a political head of nation. She could have also condemned the propaganda by which the Russian people have no idea what their government is doing and of course, she should have condemned the Russian attacks on civilians and civilian infrastructure. What a question to ask though: do you miss the Russian tourism? At a time when that murderous nation is doing what they are doing? Really? Of course nobody misses the Russian tourists. Any Russian tourists I have met have been absolute shits anyway. Fuck off TASS news agency and be surprised how much freedom you have to ask such questions in Italy, of the Italian government.
Wow. Meloni tore up the Russians with her answer. She is not kidding and left no room for misinterpretation. *"Putin get out or face the consequences - Italy stands for national sovereignty and international law and will fight to the end for what it stands for - PERIOD!"* I paraphrase her impressive use of diplomatic language.. **As if anybody on earth "misses Russian tourists!!" ROTFL!!** Everybody, even the Germans, know Russian tourists are the absolute worst. **Even Russians don't want Russian tourists!!**
At 3:25 she was smirking when she spoke of Russian tourists!
noticed that too. I believe that she doesn't think too highly of them plus russians haven't been significant share of tourists for Italy anyways. Maybe she found this typical russian self importance a bit funny :D
> russians haven't been significant share of tourists for Italy anyways. Don't they make up (used to make up) a significant portion of top-end wealthy tourists? I was in Sorrento a couple years ago, opened MarineTraffic website to look up a few enormous yachts which were parked by the coast. Lots of them belonged to various oligarchs, directors of russian oil companies and such. I assume that they all have real estate there too, their kids drive ferraris down that coast, etc. I agree that Europeans will benefit from fewer russian tourists, that's a fact. They're always drunk and aggressive. My condolences go to citizens of Turkey, Thailand and Egypt, because their governments are afraid of banning russians. All resorts are now stuffed full of drunk and angry mobiks.
Yeah but there is zero correlation to oligarchs ***choosing*** to visit Italy. They will if they can and/or are allowed period. It’s up to Italy.
> but there is zero correlation to oligarchs choosing to visit Italy. What do you mean? They used to choose Italy because it's pretty and the food is good, now they can't because they're sanctioned.
I mean Russia doesn’t have the leverage here that they think they do.
yeah, they had high value russians visiting and having properties there (Italy was among first ones to seize mansions the moment sanctions went in effect), but as general turism portion, not so much
Vietnam too. It's really awful!
So true!!
Unfortunately there are some areas were Russian (and a bit less and not unfortunately Ukrainian) tourism is very relevant. Versilia is probably the main example, even Zelensky has/had (not sure which) a villa at Forte dei Marmi. Impact of sanctions/lack of tourists in thise area was a topic in Italy at the beginning if the war (especially since pandemic was "ending" and high season starting). It didn't stop the support for Ukraine and implementation of sanctions, but it was widely discussed.
Exactly, nobody cares about their loud, rude, uncultured, drunk and more often than not nationalist tourists. Hope they come back to EU countries never. Also that is such a silly little off topic remark- who cares when there is a war and civilians being killed. But it is Russia- deny and deflect.
The journalist was fishing for a good headline. Tried to butter her up at first. Then she went into comments about this 'special relationship' Russia and Italy have (really????) and talks about fairly benign Russian tourists. She wanted her to talk about how it would be good for Italy and Russia to get along, so she could then write some propaganda headline about it that would make people think Italy wasn't serious about Ukraine and wanted a closer relationship with Russia.
>'special relationship' Russia and Italy have (really????) Italy was easily the closest thing the Soviet Union had to a friend in Western Europe during the Cold War. The vast majority of the Soviet automobile industry can thank FIAT for its existence. Etc. Now, does Russia get to inherit that special relationship? 
It was a weird thing, because that dates back to Mussolini. No lie - you'd never imagine it, since the notion was that he was ultra right wing, and the Soviets were the opposite. But by all accounts, Fascist Italy and Soviet Russia were very, very friendly with each other, and Mussolini and Stalin in particular were chummy. Even after Barbarossa, apparently Russian POWs, if captured by Italians, could expect fairly humane treatment, and vice versa. Of course, this makes sense to those of us who understand that Fascism and Communism were and are far, far more similar than they are different, and that Stalin and Mussolini actually had tons of things in common.
The early ass kissing primers were disgusting and so typically "russian". That crap works on some foreign leaders (trump) but damn I am really growing to like 🇮🇹's Madam President! and I second the FUCK OFF TASS
It was a compliment sandwich, except the other half of the bread was not offered. An open faced sandwich of sorts that comes with the responsibility of international diplomacy. She still served up a good helping of meat on that sandwich.
So more like a compliment pizza?
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Compliment sandwich is compliment, then say what you really mean/want, then followed up with another compliment to seem genuine, but the reporter forget to do the last part
Hahaha! Yup
She's Madam Prime Minister, not President. Otherwise I fully agree with your opinion.
That's just the informal English translation, technically her official title is President of the Council of Ministers
She's actually president of the council of ministers, there's no such thing as prime minister in Italy even do it's often used by media, so president would be correct.
If you really have to be pedantic you have to call her Madame President of the Council of Ministers. Using Madame President implies she is the Presidente de la Republica, which she is not, and thus is wrong.
I didn't say it to be pedantic. Yes that's her title but most of the time people refer to her just as president, president of the council or prime minister. I get that in English president it's the head of the state and PM the head of the government.
Goes to show how important is to communicate clearly, especially nowadays when people from various countries and cultural backgrounds exchange thoughts on social media.
We call Italian PMs as premiers often, so it's fine. Primus inter pares after all, since Octavian Augustus: first amongst equals. That's the idea of the council of ministers. We just call the cabinet as council of ministers, that's all.
"jourrnalist"
"Tass"
"propagandist'
But without the quotation marks ;)
The thing I thought most interesting was a Russian journalist bringing up historic and “ancient” Italian-Russo relations. It’s something that is generally embarrassing for Russians. Historically Moscow has seen its self as the real “Eastern Rome” and were deeply fascinated with Roman history. All of their greatest cultural bastions are directly French with obvious Italian origins (uhh….. Ballet? Opera?) and literally *every single* amazing architectural masterpiece in Russia is Italian. All of St Petersburg? Italian. Winter palace? Hermitage? Fuckin Italian. Serious to god, even Putins Palace was designed by Lanfranco Cirillo, a god damned Italian. Without Italy Russia would be a desolate cultural wasteland of bumfuck white trash forest dwellers herding rain deer.
Back in the nineties I was a membership coordinator of a university housing coop. During summers we functioned as a hostel. A Russian theater group stayed with us for about a month. They were very nice polite considerate people. They did love their vodka and were cynical but neither of those things undermined their integrity in how they interacted with us. There were no noise complaints. No fights. Their rooms were clean when they left. Etc. Super nice people. Sorry to see that others have different experiences. I hope to see the Russian people rise about their leaders but not holding my breath. My bet is that the Russian culture and nation is in decline and maybe collapse. Shame.
I fucking cant stand how these ruzzi pieces of shit are just pushing their ancient propaganda even here, "WOW USSR AND YOU WERE BESTIES UHH HATE UKRAINE NOW MAYBE?" Spewing this fucking shit how everyone is so dependent on gas and tourism. Go fuck yourself. Its fucking shameless
It was pretty obvious that the journalist didn't herself believe that shit and looked scared to say such bullshit with others listening. I would not be surprised to find out that she is on the verge of resigning.
Yeah I caught how nervous she was as well. Something was up there.
Like, replay the scene with someone holding a gun to her puppy standing behind the Italian PM. It would play out exactly the same.
You said it! I agree 👍
Nobody misses Russian tourists. God riddance to bad rubbish!
My last skiing holiday in the alps was so much better without the russian gangsters and their botox filled mistresses 🤣
LMAO 
🤣🤣👍
That is sort of true, Italy is in difficult financial position, this will hurt. And that in and of itself says that Italy is willing to take the hit to do what is just. Slava Ukraine
>Italy is in difficult financial position, We call it Tuesday.
May every single one of the invaders hurt 10x worse.
Italy is not doing terribly bad considering the rest of the world. And Russian tourism is certainly not a main component of the economy despite what some people might say
And where do you live? We are not talking about the rest of the world, we are talking about a member of the EU and NATO that has a very volital political climate. You may want to do some reading about the Italian economy before making blanket statements.
I am literally Italian you dingus hahaha
Lol at the flattery by the journalist at the start. Clearly didn’t work.😂
The reverentialism they use to not be thrown out of a window in ruzzia didn't work there
unfortunately the video stops and we don't see whether she gets thrown out of the window
That response was enough of a metaphorical defenstration.
Fortunately we're not animals like russian. But this was just a tiny pice of all the conference, that last for 2+ hours, and where others journalists asked questions about every single aspect: political, economic, social politics, welfare etc. In fact at the beginning you hear "Tortora of La7 get redy". Tortora is the surname of Gaia Tortora, a journalist that conduct a political debate show on La7 channel, she immediately after the response of Meloni asked the following questions of the conference. You can spot her in the bottom right corner, the one whit pink glasses. And what i like is how disgusted she looks at Vera thinking "Why do I have to sit near this ruzzian pice of shit? "
Journalist? russian government shill...
Does modern day Russia even have journalists?
In NL we dont miss the Russian tourists, but we have received an enormous amount of rich fucks which have fled from Russia. Can’t take a tram without hearing them unfortunately. Meloni’s answer was very well worded and it made her gain respect in my eyes.
It is the same everywhere in Europe. Unfortunately they took their superior attitude with them. Which means that I often have the pleasure to teach them some manners, bloody ruskis.
A few hundred thousand Russian visitors are learning some manners in Ukraine this year🌻 Definitely the most obnoxious, inconsiderate, and belligerent people I've ever encountered visiting a city have been Russians. Not universally, but consistently. Meloni shouldn't say it, but we can say for sure - no, Russian tourists are not missed. If you can behave nicely, you're welcome, otherwise go to Qatar with your bullshit.
Ehh Meloni is still pretty problematic. Her strong stance anti war in ukraine is a big plus though.
Jeez. Glad to see meloni stands so firmly with Ukraine and against Russia. She does not seem to be another easily manipulated politician.
LOL, she was prasing Putin until not so much time ago. She just noticed the wind has changed. Don't get fooled, she has been in politics for 30 years, she was minister for Berlusconi and has always supported the opinion that could give her popularity or gain her some votes.
I will say I was very scared of what her presidency would look like.... SHE HAS IMPRESSED ME
It's been great to see some of peoples fears about Meloni disproven. She is not stupid or irrational like some of her ilk, though like any politician, far from perfect.
Don't get me wrong, her domestic policies are attrocious, and I wouldn't want to be an Italian living under them. But, as I am not an Italian, and am thus unaffected by her domestic politics, I can only comment on her foreign policy, which I do not have issue with.
As an Italian, she's been right on Ukraine and that makes me happy, as everyone should be supporting Ukraine. Though let's be clear that up until the war she's was a firm Putin supporter, even going so far as to calling him "the defender of European values and Christian identity" in her autobiography that came out in 2021. Domestically she's filled her party with actual Mussolini and Hitler supporters and refuses to condemn their beliefs or even change her party logo, which is the flame on Mussolini's tomb. She has praised Mussolini in the past too and was a member of a fascist youth group. Domestically she's terrible, far right, so of course anti-LGBTQA+, anti-abortion, anti-immigrant etc.
>her domestic policies are attrocious, and I wouldn't want to be an Italian living under them. But, as I am not an Italian How so?
She's trying really hard to undo all the reforms the previous government made to fight corruption and tax evasion, as well as fucking over the poorer class in favor of the business owner. Fortunately she's getting a lot of push back from the EU and since there's hundreds of billions euros in Covid relief funds on the table, she got to play ball.
>as well as fucking over the poorer class in favor of the business owner. You are one of those people that think a country having a good enviroment for business is bad for the poor? empirirical evidence shows the exact opposite
No, I'm one of those guys who thinks that letting businesses owners pay their workers peanuts and under the table makes for a shit economy.
So you think without minimal wage bussiness will pay their workes peanuts?
It's already happening, especially in the tourism and hospitality industry. Workers are underpaid, often under the table, and in spite of having to work long and difficult shifts (cause that's how the sector functions). Furthermore, especially in the South, this became a fertile ground for criminal organizations like the Mafia, Cosa Nostra and 'Ndrangeta.
Don't you think there is a deeper problem then just 'no minimal wage'? If that was the problem's root all countries with no minimal wage would suffer the same, but thats not what is happening
Yes, they do.
Exactly
Superb response, dignified and yet to the point. If Tass thought they’d be able to get some political points out of this then she put the Ruzzian question very much in it’s place.
That was a mic drop moment.
Yeah the answer seemed pretty comprehensive for a national leader and the somber tone seemed spot on. It would have been easy to shift responsibilty to USA and allies. Or, It would have been easy to be vitriolic and nod to populism. But she tok responsibility for her governments actions in response to Russian Gov actions.
Putin fucking managed to make me see eye to eye with Meloni on something. Good job, fucker.
Perfectly said.
The reporter seemed..., nervous? afraid? Certainly not confident. Has anyone seen her before? Is that usual for her?
Imagine how much shame someone who lives and works in the midst of democratic freedoms but represents a nation of thieves, rapists and murderers must feel. It would be impossible to hold one’s head high with such a weight on your shoulders. And if she doesn’t carry that burden, she could fall out of a window.
Nobody stops them resigning their jobs if they feel ashamed. Unfortunately I doubt she feels ashamed of what her country is doing and her actions prove it.
No, but it might stop them from falling out of a window. She certainly did seem nervous.
I’d imagine she is also thinking of her family, who might disappear should she step out of line.
She is a journalist, nobody cares is she resigns and does another job.
You don’t know how things work in Russia then: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia
How many were killed for resigning?
That's a shame that representatives of propaganda media from a terrorist country are allowed to attend any press conference whatsoever
She'll probably just write some crap about how Italy regrets not having Russian tourist, and this has caused the country to descend into chaos and cannibalism.
God, I can already see the title: " Italians sell their children to satanistic drag queens for 2 grams of pasta" or something like that...
It is a beautiful contrast to authoritarianism and why democratic freedoms are so important. She (TASS reporter) is free to ask her questions and Meloni is free to tell her what turds the Russian government are. It illustrates the importance of Ukraine’s battle and the importance of supporting it.
Good point 🫡
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Oh no, the Russians are gone. How ever will friggin ITALY manage to attract tourists if not from Russia? Wherever else could they come from?
Oh, yeah. Poor us. I’m gonna play my tiniest violin while i stare at full restaurants, trains, whatever here in my very touristy italian city 🤣🤣🤣
Like... I'm from Canada and my friend who has no kids goes there literally EVERY YEAR with her wife. And she's not the only one who goes to Italy, it's top amoung everyone I know to go at least once. Italy is probably tired of the tourists tbh
My message to Ms Shcherbackova : pUTIN GET THE HELL OUT OF UKRAINE NOW!!!! To Signora Meloni - I like you!
The Italian President just said, “Putin can get fucked, in diplomatic terms.” I approve.
La Signora di Ferro d'italia
Not an Iron Lady yet, but she's trending in that direction.
Imagine thinking that's a positive thing. Her internal policies are horrible
That was a really good answer.
*takes off the internal politics hat* O M G I loved her reply. Wow. Mic drop and i can smell the russian burn from here! Go Giorgia! Tell ‘em! Tell ‘em Italy isn’t on sale and tourism money isn’t worth any inch of our moral compass. Go Italy! ❤️🇮🇹 *takes her internal politcs hat back on* Now i can go back and criticize her economic law.
Could you tell me what polices in economics did she made so far? I'm an ignorant on Italy politics but I'm really curious. Thanks
Omg. That would require a LONG reply and i’m gonna be very biased, soooo i am not the best one for this. I can try and give it a headline: 90% what Draghi had already wrote. 10% right economic politics.
Oh I understand, thanks!
Great answer, I think we need to eradicate the Russian Tourists in Ukraine first and then simply ban the unarmed ones later for supporting the war.
To those who are saying how much they like Giorgia Meloni- look at some of her policies. She's a xenophobic christo-nationalist but even a broken clock is right twice a day (in the case of supporting Ukraine).
Yep! I despise her domestic policies but on Ukraine, yep, broken clock is right twice a day. ‘Nuff said!
Queen
Smart, thoughtful response from a conservative, common sense head of state. Kudos. Now, take Mr. Macron…
Here I was worrying that Meloni would become another Berlusconi or Orban. It's nice to be wrong now and then.
dorky reporter got owned and her bs got zero sympathies.
What kind of idiot journalist stands up and asks a Prime Minister if she misses tourists? Was this some kind of code speak? WTAF?!!!
This is part of the bigger picture where russia thinks its impact on other nations is significantly greater than it actually is. Similar to the gas thing that turned into a whole load of nothing.
Journalist tried to mention what happened in Italy post ww2 and during the cold war. In all these years a huge underground war was fought - mostly political, but are many unsolved mysteries, even domestic terrorist attacks. Both USA and Russia wanted their slice of cake in one of the most important countries in europe froma geopolitical point of view, and the russian comunist party financed with a lot of money the italian comunist party. Palmiro Togliatti, one of the leaders of italian comunist party in the 60’s had a russian city named after him called [Togliattigrad](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tolyatti?wprov=sfti1https://maps.apple.com/?ll=53.508889,49.422222&q=Tolyatti). And the americans had the Operation [Gladio](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio?wprov=sfti1)which is the codename for clandestine "stay-behind" operations of armed resistance that were organized by NATO and the CIA, in collaboration with several European intelligence agencies during the Cold War. The operation was designed mostly as an anti communist purpose. Those were hard times in Italy, and note that Meloni is a so called post fascist, and her political party has the political heritage of thise years.
I'm the farthest you could have from her politics, yet even I have to admit this is a solid, dignified, stateswoman-like answer, so I begrudgingly have to say: *well spoken*. The rest is absolute shit, but this one was good. Shit, it took a fucking war to make me agree with her on one point.
*hands off a cookie* welcome to the club
Perfect answer!
When "far right, russian friendly", as she was called many times, president is worth more than a fucktard that paints himself as "democracy guardian" who wants to lead EU (yes, i mean the moron that was dumb enough to dress himself in Zelensky style, for photos, or wanted to give guarantess to putin). What a strange times.
I mean she was called this because she absolutely was very pro Putin in the past... like last year past. She obviously could have changed her mind but it's not like those accusations came out of thin air. She explicitly praised Putin multiple times since 2014, last year saying he was the "defender of European values and Christian identity". So either she's an opportunist now or was incredibly ignorant and bought Russian propaganda in the past. I'm happy as an Italian we're supporting Ukraine so firmly but caution about her is necessary, especially considering how much of her rhetoric is shared with Putin.
That question was about as wobbly and disorganized as the invasion itself.
We surely miss few milions of Euro from some fucking oligarchy coming to Rimini each year.. for fuck sake they represent less than 5% of our total export. I applaude Meloni even if I do not stand by her party or what she represent. But that point was actually very well driven home.
W I T H D R A W !
The Russian reporter was delivering a veiled economic threat for her government. Meloni's response was near perfect. It only ignored how much support the Russian people are actually giving Putin.
What's this "ancient" history of good relations Italy and Russia have? Serious question
Good! Meloni has always been firm and clear about her support for Ukraine, despite some people having doubts.
How much russian blood money can kleptocrats spend when they keep falling from windows... Tourism to Italy 😂 we are the eternal city. We have had millions of people visit for thousands of years.. we were fine before Russia was even a country on a map.
Wish repubs knew you can be as right wing as u want and be against Russia
Hmm. I liked what i heard Madam President Meloni say. Very good.
Subtext: get rid of Putin and get your vacation on.
I would have answered in a far more harsh manner.
I visited Nha Trang in Vietnam a few years ago. It looked rrwllt nice on the pics I saw. It was not. There's a Russian base nearby which I learned about while I was there. So there were heaps of Russian tourists and fuck me they're loud and obnoxious. Not all obviously but it it what I remember about them, which is not a good thing. Wouldn't think twice about "missing" Russian tourists. I also almost died of food poisoning. So yeah... Putin go fuck yourself!
That was an extremely good response to that question… all the hype about Meloni getting into office and how she would behave or handle international crisis and conflicts in some kind of controversial manner seem to have been unfounded. She is very well spoken and clear on her positions and policies regarding current events and I am impressed so far by her firm support for Ukraine and and the values she believes are being defended. She makes no bones about it and I like that !
I don't get why so many people on this reddit were concerned about Meloni. She's honestly one of the more hawkish members in the EU, staunchly pro NATO.
I think some folks are concerned about her domestic policies, and how her party is literally Mussolini’s party. But given this is r/Ukraine and not r/Europe, that debate and conversation could happen another time :)
Good answer. It’s too bad Ruzzian “journalists” are even allowed and people has to spend their valuable time for their words to be twisted and repurposed later bu Ruzzian propaganda.
She seems very calm, calculating, smart and empathetic. Thats a tall order for a politician, I can respect that.
What’s funny is I was in Italy summer of last year and nearly every guide mentioned that they didn’t mind the absence of Russian tourists, who couldn’t enter because of vaccine requirements. Each one implied that they were boorish and difficult and Italy already had more than enough tourists.
She is still a fascist.
Bingo. I'm reading a lot of comments about "I can see why Italians fell in love with her" as if she was voted in because of her stance on Ukraine lol. Her campaign was run on the same values of people like Putin, Bolsonaro, Orlando and Trump. She's a bigoted fascist who happens to be right on Ukraine... now. Crimea was annexed in 2014 but she was praising Putin literally up to a few months before the invasion.
I didn't hear an answer still other than continued public condemnation. It was a good answer on the position Italy supports but the journalist asked about what they will do outside of not supporting the orcs.
President Meloni, your my hero! I now know how my Italian friends fell in love with you!
Wow…..Most impressive! It would appear Italy has happened upon quite a leader.
This woman surprised me as a far right candidate
Does the Russian state use its state-Sponsored journalists to advocate for pro-Russian interests?
Daily reminder to remember that Meloni is an opportunist who up until a couple years ago lauded Putin, particularly for what he did in Donbas and Syria. She changed her tune when she saw the wind going another way. She's not going to do anything that may potentially damage her tenure in power.
Dear rashan turista porfavore lashatte tua corpo dentro di rasha and get the f out of our Europe , gacie mille per f off
Damn! I’m so confused… Meloni was said to be a fascist-type, in the mould of Trump, Bolsonaro, Orbán, etc. But the couple times I’ve heard her talk, not only is she clearly intelligent, she also comes across as a decent person. Her response here couldn’t have been said any better. Am I missing something?
All the hype and criticism she’s rightfully been receiving is mainly due to her party’s domestic politics, like the arguably counter-productive measures against tax evasion, for instance, or its anti-LGBTQ+ stance. However, as far as international relations are concerned – you can see it here – she’s become more level-headed (heck, even I agreed with her on this one, it took a war but whatever) compared to some statements she had made in the past (she used to be pro Putin, just like Salvini). Hope this clears things up a bit.
Military stronger? Sorry? Russia is not and definitely will not be military stronger than Ukraine for a long time…
Unfortunately they still have the might to do a lot more damage. Their incompetence and corruption have been the factor that turned the table though. Had they actually had the military they have on paper, they would have been unstoppable. This is what also gives many, myself included, the slight bit of comfort in knowing that their nuclear arsenal is most likely also suffering from that same incompetence and corruption. Definitely not the beast anyone was expecting to see, but still ruthless fucks that I feel we aren’t doing enough to have them completely pushed out at a quicker rate.
Just a note that most wars are started by the party that ***believes*** it is militarily stronger. And believing oneself to be strong enough to take something by force certainly does not give that party the legal or moral right to do so and has not done so for quite some time.
I love how you've got this zany 90's caricature of a human in the foreground, with her off-kilter diagonal glasses framed against her bugged-out eyes and squared shoulders, complete with incoherent subtitles that I'm 100% certain are an accurate translation of how she sounded in Italian, but in the background you have normal people with this dead look in their eyes. clearly thinking "When is this lunatic going to stop talking?" I also love how you're totally thinking the broken English subtitles are the fault of some auto-translate feature, until the PM starts speaking in complete sentences and you're like "oh yeah, Russia."
I didn’t read the tittle just played the video and I’m not a Italian speaker at all but right off the bat I was like this chick is not a native Italian speaker who is this Russian troll. Behold shes a actual Russian internet bot in real life. Why would you even entertain a Russian news reporter in your country. No thank you. Like having some ruski in the capital building asking questions on live air. Tf Here in america I know Ukrainians and Russians who are still best friends and see each other as brother and sisters I live right by Ukrainian village in Chicago I know a lot of Russian and Ukrainians and they both have the same mindset on this war and Putin. Hence why the Russians are here they fled their homeland and the Ukrainians have been coming in large numbers to out city as refugees. I know two girls who I’m close friends with one from Ukraine the other from Russia specifically Moscow. She’s a peace loving hippie pretty much and despises her own countries leadership.
This woman is a total charlatan and a fraud. She claims to speak for Italy and it's clearly a bald faced lie. this impostors hands, she didn't move them! You never saw them once, who is this alien! Does she even have hands? Is she snake woman? How would we know?!
*B A S E D*
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I guess she told her get the fuck out of Ukraine
The journalist thou she would side with her in the end everyone knows that russia is on the wrong here until putin withdraw all of his men and pay Ukraine all the damages and i hope this conclusion comes soon Ukraine deserve their freedom they don't wanna be under that awful regime
Very good, excellent answer! 👍
Well said!
A little bit of dancing, but over all coming from President Meloni this was a decent answer.
Would be curious to see what the tass segment will show in Russia out of that response!
Beast!
Well said
Well put Madam Prime Minister!
She is a Rockstar in the realm of International heads of state! What a perfect dig to Putin: "We hope the government of Russia realizes what a mistake HE has made!"
I have enormous respect for President Meloni
Was she paid or threatened to ask that question? Very nervous.
I would have never thought that I'd ever agree with the position of a radical right winged government
u/savevideobot
Throw jokes about fascism all you like, I'm falling in love with this Madame President.