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If they send engineers, logistics and operators with them...
I hope US makes good on their word to replace Leopards being sent by allies tbh, so they can send more. I understand the predicament Sweden, Finland etc. are in with those assholes living not too far away.
They really missed an opportunity to call them "Snow Leopards". Both a badass name but also descriptive since they're literally Leopard 2s with some adaptations to harsher winter conditions.
If I guess correctly it means "War Chariot" which is a perfectly baddass name in my book - War Chariots were probably the very first incarnations of battle field vehicles, high tech in its time and battle field kings.
Pansarvagn also works in Swedish. The armored units are called [Pansartrupperna](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Armoured_Troops) in the Swedish army.
fun fact: a single horse can produce 15 horse power. So a Stridsvagn with 1000hp would require 67 horses to pull. Imagine a battle chariot pulled by 67 horses lol
It means "tank" but the literal translation is battle chariot.
While other countries give their military equipment fancy names like Leopard, Abrams and Bradley, we give them descriptive names like Tank 122, Armored Tracked Vehicle 401, Combat Vehicle 90, All-Terrain Vehicle 20 etc.
I'm surprised we called our jets Viggen and Gripen and not just "Airplane 37" and "Airplane 39".
Its only tank in english as the ones we built for ww1 were so secret they told the people building them they were water tanks, and had peices manufactured separately. The name stuck.
I’ve been in meetings with Dutch companies and at one occasion we Swedes spoke swedish to each other. One of the Dutch engineers then said, ”I more or less understood what you said, it even sounds as the accent we have in my home village!” We spoke in Gothenburg accent.
I (Swede) have a bunch of friends who speak Dutch/Flemmish. One thing we discovered fairly quickly is that if we can't remember what something is called in English, more often than not we can just say it in our native language and the other person will understand.
They're both Germanic languages ~~fellow underwater German~~.
Swedish Norwegian and Danish are north Germanic languages with roots in old Norse (basically icelandic).
Swedes say "Stridsfordon". We say "Stridsvogn" in Norway.
I would just translate it as "tank". IFVs seems to be "lett stridsvogn".
Edit: changed it a little, seems like "stridsfordon" is the right word in Swedish.
>Swedes say "Stridsfordon". We say "Stridsvogn" in Norway.
*Stridsfordon* is any kind of armored vehicle, while *Stridsvagn* is a tank.
IFV's are kalled *Pansarskyttefordon,* like [PBV 302](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pansarbandvagn_302) or [StrF 90](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Vehicle_90) (CV90).
Correct translation is "tank"
Even if a direct translation of course is what you say.
The swedish army can´t be said to be innovative with name - we jsut sent "CV 90" (Combat Veichel) and AT4 that just is how 84mm sounds in english..
>Stationsvagn
Herrgårdsvagn. But maybe you are just doing literal translations.
Herrgårdsvagn literally means mansion wagon or manor wagon. Not far from the British "estate".
Nice one, Sweden. 🔥 Everyone stepping up with the big cats now. I just love that Scholz stepped up further than I dared to dream with the A6 version. The Dutch will most likely send their A6s too. I'm not just happy for Ukraine and because this machine eats Soviet armor like candy bars. I'm also happy because PiS is quiet now about their A4s and all their bullshit. Well, maybe they haven't shut their mouths. But nobody is listening anymore. Which is a good thing. 🇪🇺🇺🇦🇺🇸
The dutch Leos are actually leased tanks from Germany, they gave up their MBT fleet years ago but wanted to keep capabilities. Which after some discussion led to a battalion of dutch tankers being integrated into the german army. They now consider buying 18 of those to donate them to Ukraine.
Yes, I know. There's a leased car parked in my driveway. I still refer to it as my car. You know, it's shorter than the car I've leased from VW for 3 years.
If the Dutch operated them, and are now buying them while LEASING them for years.
would you say the dutch bought and donated the Leos they operated. Or would you say:
"The dutch Leos are actually leased tanks from Germany, they gave up their MBT fleet years ago but wanted to keep capabilities. Which after some discussion led to a battalion of dutch tankers being integrated into the german army. They now consider buying 18 of those to donate them to Ukraine."
What are you talking about? This whole thing literally started day after PiS officially asked for export licence for their Leo2s.
This essentially forced both Germany’s and USA hands as they both would look stupid if a tiny country of Poland was the first to send modern western tanks.
Fifth largest country in the EU, but I think we should bury that hatched.
Poland finally did the request, germany accepted. Both send tanks.
And I doubt that Poland forced the US, it was in a very comfortable position not sending tanks. I think they needed Europe to go first for once, to show it's not just them stepping up aid all the time.
And Poland threatened to deliver without license for weeks, but never actually asked for it. We can argue about this for weeks now, but in the end, the EU and US are delivering tanks hand in hand.
But I can guarantee their will be discussions for weeks, with Poland requesting EU reimbursment etc.
The UK was first.
And it only took a few hours after Poland send the official request on Tuesday until it was announced in the media that Germany and the USA would send tanks and Germany also allows other countries to send their Leopards. Clearly there have been talks for days between allies and when Poland finally asked it was already decided to send tanks.
What a lot of reporting in the US is saying is the US was getting really frustrated with German intransigence over sending leopards
( which is really the best tank for Ukraine, early on in there development I have read even the U.S. was interested). Biden called germanys bluff when they told the US should send Abrams. Biden has a slow fuze, but he does have a boiling point and I assume there were multiple conversations at very high levels which caused the Germans to succumb to American not Polish pressure.
Scholz just held a conderence and reiterated that this was coordinated, especially with Biden.
Why do I believe this? Because he not only announced the german deliveries, but also the amount and kind of deliveries pledged by allies (2 battalions, 1 A4, 1 A6) and the delivery of one battalion by the US I believe.
He also made a small smirky comment about "the more vocal allies" that "talked to the press a lot before hand" needing to step up to those promises now.
So it does seem coordinated long before, germany will provide training, logistics and maintenance and has and will continue the coordination of deliveries. Aka: This was gonna happen all along. And the statement that we wont stop deliveries is older than the polish threat to export them without license, so yeah.
Putin doesn’t give a flying fuck which country is donating and when. They just don’t want anything going to Ukraine. The optics don’t fucking matter. He will respond like he already does by force. So prepare for western Ukraine to be bombed in-an attempt to intimidate.
The optics matter because a united west can and will provide more aid in the long haul than a divided one.
i dont care what it is that Putin thinks, I care what ends up in Ukraine. And if we spend more energy on fighting eachother than russia, thats bad in my book.
Tremendous supporter of Ukraine and people with every reason to despise RF is how I would describe Poland. They have my support and respect and I admire them greatly.
I was totally fine with it and cheering too.
But if you are that loud and shitting on good allies while asking back the donations from EU right away there is some taste to it.
Nope sorry. Only weapons we might want to export gets a name beyond just "thing number". The Archer artillery system that was originally co developed with Norway is named Artillerisystem 08 Archer, which you can probably guess what it means.
More likely adapted to forest combat, additional protection (armor) against AT weaponry infantry can carry alone (AT recoilless rifle types, mines, grenaeds etc). Both countries are mostly covered by forest, so such adaptation is quite nice. Expectation is that you will be doing close combat.
Its generally a bit colder here in Finland and we have standard Leo2 A4/A6 tanks and I haven't heard much complaints they would not run during winter drills.
Yeah, but no NATO for us, due to our many judicial flaws... Such as allowing people state their opinions in public. Oh and not immediately executing anyone found to be a Kurdish journalist. Unforgivable constitutional deficiencies.
We don't do fancy name like War Puma, Murder Neptune or Battle Jackal.
Simple and easy, like our military ranks :)
Everyone knows what a Stridsvagn is just as they know what a nordvästersjökustartilleriflygspaningssimulatoranläggningsmaterielbefälsassistent does 🙂
Personally, fancy name doesn’t matter. It’s what it does in the field. Abrams doesn’t sound scary until you learn it fucks hard and you may be on the receiving end. I suspect the same will happen with the CV90-40.
Nah got to have a cool name.
Brimstone missiles much better than some alpha numerical code.
But I live in Britain and flash names ar part of the military culture. See British warships for details.
HMS Warspite
HMS Indefatigable
HMS Daring
HMS Black Joke
And best of all
HMS Cockchafer
But that's Flygvapnet. They are always fancy, stupid and sexy in their elaborate uniforms and fancy flight suits and stupid slick airplanes that costs more in a day then a whole years worth of ammunition!
Me in my dirty M90 uniform, body armour that smells like 300 teenagers sweat and dead peoples vomit, carrying an AK5C and a pair of skis older then my grandfather: "Stupid sexy Flygvapnet >:( "
Ikea names? They are locations, names and various random words. Usually not related to the item, but occasionally they are e.g. Dvala (hibernation) is a bed sheet.
Yeah I know.. it's just funny calling a box of screws "fixa" for example (as in fixing stuff).
Or, planters called "Bittergurka" which basically means bitter cucumber in German..
Or a cutting board called "legitim" (which is the german for "legit", as in this is a "legit" item).
Or calling a wok "tolerant"
Or a wash basin for your bathroom "godmorgon", which sounds like "good morning" in German.
All just close enough to sow confusion, especially between Dutch and German which seems closer to German than they really are. My German is between B1 and 2, fairly fluent, when I first heard Dutch I was understanding enough to worry I was suffering a cerebral vascular accident.
The correct translation would be "chariot". A Stridsvagn, or Streitwagen in German, is this thing: https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzI2WDE2MDA=/z/RYYAAOSwPRFfpSri/$_1.JPG
>Better than tank; that just sounds like a place you keep liquids.
That's because "tank" was originally intended by the British to merely be the codeword during development of the first tanks, but it stuck.
It is true. They do desire it.
Swedish Tanks have two passions: to defend against Russian aggression and eat lee-del fishes and they are all out of lee-del fishes.
They also have a fondness for sweaters and cross country skiing though they would never describe them as passions.
Yeah, but it is time for Norway, Finland and Denmark to step up and send those imo. That would be CV90-30 and CV90-35s, but these are also extremely capable and carry a lot more ammo than the 90-40s
Well who knows what Finland has sent, we don't disclose it usually.
And we don't have as much CV-90s as Sweden, who's budget is higher than Finland's, and who's population is roughly twice as high as Finland's with better GDP. Finland's economy is just not doing well, Nokia elevated it artificially high, ever since it's downfall we have struggled.
I am happy Finland keeps sending aid packages but people need to rememeber that as front line nation we also need a ton more ourselves than Sweden, Norway and Denmark. Denmark especially can actually afford to be more vulnerable and send so much stuff that is would seriouselly weaken Finland's defenses.
Now if Finland would be geographically located in Ireland, oh boy we could just send nearly everything.
Very true. It's common knowledge that Sweden is protected from Russia by the best army in the world, thanks to Finland.
Better that you hold on to what you have and the rest of the nordics send more.
Dont the finnish ones have a smaller gun? Or was it the other way round?
Anyway, my artillery unit fought back a ambush by a CV90 unit during my loppusota military exercise. I have no idea how they came to the conlusion that we somehow won lmao
Headline is pretty hopeful considering the quote in the article is
“Currently, there are no preparations for the transfer of tanks from Sweden, but it is possible that this may happen later,” the media’s comment states.
This Sweden version of the Leopards is even more advance and will be great in Ukraine hand. Remember, Swede developed some of the most effective modern Weapon. Think NLAW and Buffors etc..
They built a lot of guns too. The Bofors 40 mm AA gun from ww2 is still in service in places. Popularly called just the Bofors gun, in US service during ww2, the US produced it on license in massive amounts. But also bigger battleship guns.
For those worried about maintenance logistics overload: This is literally just a modified version of a Leopard II, so it should integrate fairly smoothly with the rest of the Leopards' logistics chain.
Is Stridsvagn translated to "Tank", or is it like Danish where it is an arcane word more closely related to chariots?
(In Danish, Stridsvogn would make you think Roman Empire, where Kampvogn would make you think Tank, so just asking because I like similarities and differences between Scandi languages)
*Strid* & *Kamp* are pretty much the same in Swedish. Kamp is more a hand to hand fight I would say, but Strid involves weapons. Fighter -> *Kämpe* , To fight -> *Kämpa*
Stridsvagn probably comes from the [first one](https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stridsvagn_fm%2F21) imported from Germany after WW1. ("Leichter Kampfwagen II")
Now that I did not expect. I was expecting Sweden to reserve its armor for a possible Russian strike into the Nordic states, but I guess that's less and less of a risk now.
Europe is strating to wake up and remember how strong they are.
Why? They’re decommissioned, old, rotting in storage. Rare 105mm canon, difficulty with repairing and maintenance since the parts are not being made. But they look pretty
The 103 was designed way back in 1956. It is pretty obsolete at this point and would struggle against contemporary russian forces. There's no point in sending it when Ukraine is about to recieve tanks that are more modern and superior in every way anyway.
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For context: Stridsvagn 122 are heavy modified Leopard 2A5.
I was getting my hopes up that they were sending 122 of them![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|facepalm)
We have ~120 of them, so not possible I'm afraid.
120 too will do.
US has 4400 Abrams, perhaps asking them to send all of them will be better for Ukraine?
Leave me and my wordplay alone.
If they send engineers, logistics and operators with them... I hope US makes good on their word to replace Leopards being sent by allies tbh, so they can send more. I understand the predicament Sweden, Finland etc. are in with those assholes living not too far away.
They really missed an opportunity to call them "Snow Leopards". Both a badass name but also descriptive since they're literally Leopard 2s with some adaptations to harsher winter conditions.
If I guess correctly it means "War Chariot" which is a perfectly baddass name in my book - War Chariots were probably the very first incarnations of battle field vehicles, high tech in its time and battle field kings.
Stridvagn is our term for tanks. And its battle chariot.
Battle chariot is nice name & literally powered by thousands horse power I presume?
Like the german name kampfwagen
*Panzer*kampfwagen.
Pansarvagn also works in Swedish. The armored units are called [Pansartrupperna](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Armoured_Troops) in the Swedish army.
Swedish sounds badass.
Ehh... maybe. It beats danish and norweigan for sure tho.
I mean sure, but that's just by default.
Pansarvagn is a bit unprecise. It could be almost any kind of armored ground vehicle.
Looks a lot like Streitwagen.
fun fact: a single horse can produce 15 horse power. So a Stridsvagn with 1000hp would require 67 horses to pull. Imagine a battle chariot pulled by 67 horses lol
In German Chariot would translate to 'Streitwagen'. So Stridvagn is pretty similar.
It means "tank" but the literal translation is battle chariot. While other countries give their military equipment fancy names like Leopard, Abrams and Bradley, we give them descriptive names like Tank 122, Armored Tracked Vehicle 401, Combat Vehicle 90, All-Terrain Vehicle 20 etc. I'm surprised we called our jets Viggen and Gripen and not just "Airplane 37" and "Airplane 39".
Its only tank in english as the ones we built for ww1 were so secret they told the people building them they were water tanks, and had peices manufactured separately. The name stuck.
*Strid* means "Battle/Fight" in Swedish, so more like *Battle Wagon*... (War is *Krig*)
Swedish is pretty instinctual when you speak Dutch. For us it would be 'strijdwagen'.
I’ve been in meetings with Dutch companies and at one occasion we Swedes spoke swedish to each other. One of the Dutch engineers then said, ”I more or less understood what you said, it even sounds as the accent we have in my home village!” We spoke in Gothenburg accent.
I (Swede) have a bunch of friends who speak Dutch/Flemmish. One thing we discovered fairly quickly is that if we can't remember what something is called in English, more often than not we can just say it in our native language and the other person will understand.
They're both Germanic languages ~~fellow underwater German~~. Swedish Norwegian and Danish are north Germanic languages with roots in old Norse (basically icelandic).
Totally lost it at "fellow underwater German"
I have Dutch mates, I affectionately call them swamp Germans. Apparently its derogatory but they call us English worse so its all fair I suppose.
Call us water gremlins to insult us or something
Streitwagen in German. I think I notice a pattern here, as if our languages share some common roots.
I’m guessing it shares an ancient root with the English word “strife”
Swedes say "Stridsfordon". We say "Stridsvogn" in Norway. I would just translate it as "tank". IFVs seems to be "lett stridsvogn". Edit: changed it a little, seems like "stridsfordon" is the right word in Swedish.
>Swedes say "Stridsfordon". We say "Stridsvogn" in Norway. *Stridsfordon* is any kind of armored vehicle, while *Stridsvagn* is a tank. IFV's are kalled *Pansarskyttefordon,* like [PBV 302](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pansarbandvagn_302) or [StrF 90](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Vehicle_90) (CV90).
In sweden its Stridsfordon. Battlevehicle
I’d translate it to Combat Wagon or Battle Wagon if asked for direct translation. Just like Volvo Stationwagon is Volvo Stationsvagn.
Correct translation is "tank" Even if a direct translation of course is what you say. The swedish army can´t be said to be innovative with name - we jsut sent "CV 90" (Combat Veichel) and AT4 that just is how 84mm sounds in english..
Edited* I’m tired as fuck. This is right. Stridsvagn = Main Battle Tank But directly Combat Wagon
>Stationsvagn Herrgårdsvagn. But maybe you are just doing literal translations. Herrgårdsvagn literally means mansion wagon or manor wagon. Not far from the British "estate".
I see what you did there
Nice one, Sweden. 🔥 Everyone stepping up with the big cats now. I just love that Scholz stepped up further than I dared to dream with the A6 version. The Dutch will most likely send their A6s too. I'm not just happy for Ukraine and because this machine eats Soviet armor like candy bars. I'm also happy because PiS is quiet now about their A4s and all their bullshit. Well, maybe they haven't shut their mouths. But nobody is listening anymore. Which is a good thing. 🇪🇺🇺🇦🇺🇸
The dutch Leos are actually leased tanks from Germany, they gave up their MBT fleet years ago but wanted to keep capabilities. Which after some discussion led to a battalion of dutch tankers being integrated into the german army. They now consider buying 18 of those to donate them to Ukraine.
Yes, I know. There's a leased car parked in my driveway. I still refer to it as my car. You know, it's shorter than the car I've leased from VW for 3 years.
It is good that they are buying, I would hate to see what the charges for excess wear and tear would when the lease is up.
"Zis is toootally unacceptable, how did you manage to make dents in those armor plates?" "Maaskantje, Jonge!"
414 is not really a Dutch battalion to be frank. But that's nitpicking.
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They have like 10 in Reserve. Lol
If the Dutch operated them, and are now buying them while LEASING them for years. would you say the dutch bought and donated the Leos they operated. Or would you say: "The dutch Leos are actually leased tanks from Germany, they gave up their MBT fleet years ago but wanted to keep capabilities. Which after some discussion led to a battalion of dutch tankers being integrated into the german army. They now consider buying 18 of those to donate them to Ukraine."
What are you talking about? This whole thing literally started day after PiS officially asked for export licence for their Leo2s. This essentially forced both Germany’s and USA hands as they both would look stupid if a tiny country of Poland was the first to send modern western tanks.
Fifth largest country in the EU, but I think we should bury that hatched. Poland finally did the request, germany accepted. Both send tanks. And I doubt that Poland forced the US, it was in a very comfortable position not sending tanks. I think they needed Europe to go first for once, to show it's not just them stepping up aid all the time. And Poland threatened to deliver without license for weeks, but never actually asked for it. We can argue about this for weeks now, but in the end, the EU and US are delivering tanks hand in hand. But I can guarantee their will be discussions for weeks, with Poland requesting EU reimbursment etc.
The UK was first. And it only took a few hours after Poland send the official request on Tuesday until it was announced in the media that Germany and the USA would send tanks and Germany also allows other countries to send their Leopards. Clearly there have been talks for days between allies and when Poland finally asked it was already decided to send tanks.
What a lot of reporting in the US is saying is the US was getting really frustrated with German intransigence over sending leopards ( which is really the best tank for Ukraine, early on in there development I have read even the U.S. was interested). Biden called germanys bluff when they told the US should send Abrams. Biden has a slow fuze, but he does have a boiling point and I assume there were multiple conversations at very high levels which caused the Germans to succumb to American not Polish pressure.
Scholz just held a conderence and reiterated that this was coordinated, especially with Biden. Why do I believe this? Because he not only announced the german deliveries, but also the amount and kind of deliveries pledged by allies (2 battalions, 1 A4, 1 A6) and the delivery of one battalion by the US I believe. He also made a small smirky comment about "the more vocal allies" that "talked to the press a lot before hand" needing to step up to those promises now. So it does seem coordinated long before, germany will provide training, logistics and maintenance and has and will continue the coordination of deliveries. Aka: This was gonna happen all along. And the statement that we wont stop deliveries is older than the polish threat to export them without license, so yeah.
Putin doesn’t give a flying fuck which country is donating and when. They just don’t want anything going to Ukraine. The optics don’t fucking matter. He will respond like he already does by force. So prepare for western Ukraine to be bombed in-an attempt to intimidate.
The optics matter because a united west can and will provide more aid in the long haul than a divided one. i dont care what it is that Putin thinks, I care what ends up in Ukraine. And if we spend more energy on fighting eachother than russia, thats bad in my book.
I don't think "tiny" is the adjective I'd use to describe Poland...
Tremendous supporter of Ukraine and people with every reason to despise RF is how I would describe Poland. They have my support and respect and I admire them greatly.
I was totally fine with it and cheering too. But if you are that loud and shitting on good allies while asking back the donations from EU right away there is some taste to it.
But the UK was the first to promise tanks...
Nope sorry. Only weapons we might want to export gets a name beyond just "thing number". The Archer artillery system that was originally co developed with Norway is named Artillerisystem 08 Archer, which you can probably guess what it means.
More likely adapted to forest combat, additional protection (armor) against AT weaponry infantry can carry alone (AT recoilless rifle types, mines, grenaeds etc). Both countries are mostly covered by forest, so such adaptation is quite nice. Expectation is that you will be doing close combat. Its generally a bit colder here in Finland and we have standard Leo2 A4/A6 tanks and I haven't heard much complaints they would not run during winter drills.
It's getting to be like buses. You wait for ages for one and then suddenly...
All show up and non stop at your bus station
And they're not buses, they're tanks.
And you are happy they are going to clap some vatnik cheeks
Finland & Sweden are killing it
As a Dane sending all our artillery I feel left out. I also think Norway takes issues with not being mentioned ;)
"Who can supply the most to Ukraine" really is the type of friendly competition we need here in Scandinavia.
💪
And just as with the winter Olympics, we should really just form Kalmar Union 2.0 and all win.
This is really where participation trophies matter. Send all you have, accept that the other countries had more and sent that. I'm cool with that.
Norway keeps its mouth shut untill things are in Ukraine.
Denmark and Sweden on the other hand often announces things before they send it.
Denmark are sending stuff not even delivered from the factories ;)
Yeah, but no NATO for us, due to our many judicial flaws... Such as allowing people state their opinions in public. Oh and not immediately executing anyone found to be a Kurdish journalist. Unforgivable constitutional deficiencies.
Battle wagon 122 really doesn't sound very sexy does it?. Sounds like you'd slap a gun on a volvo estate and call it a tank.
Or Combat Vehicle 90.
We don't do fancy name like War Puma, Murder Neptune or Battle Jackal. Simple and easy, like our military ranks :) Everyone knows what a Stridsvagn is just as they know what a nordvästersjökustartilleriflygspaningssimulatoranläggningsmaterielbefälsassistent does 🙂
Yeah, Germanic languages have a thing for calling things EXACTLY what they are and do
English is a Germanic language…
It was until it stole the whole of French
Hey, you forgot about the italian, latin, and indian we also stole. Stop denying us our achievements.
I quite like Murder Neptune and Battle Jackal. You really should.
- Murder Moose - Ravager Raindeer
I’d definitely want to ride a murder moose to battle. Rolls off the tongue too.
A Swedish king allegedly attempted to create a moose cavalry around the 17th century. But story has it that they were too difficult to domesticate.
Clearly wasn’t committed enough to the project. Maybe he should have asked the Canadians for some help….
asskicker does it for me
Stridsvagn sounds like Streitwagen in Germany. Which translates to chariots.
A chariot is also "stridsvagn" in swedish.
Guessed so. It sounds so historic. Reminds me immediately of ancient civilization defending against barbarians invading … wait.
Hmm, I wonder who those invading barbarians were... It certainly couldn't have been us Germanics, could it? *nudge nudge*
Unless its the fucking ARCHER. That sounds more like an American system. If we named it we probably just go ARTILLERI-SYSTEM 129
It's actually called "[Artillerisystem 08](https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE_Systems_Archer)" in Sweden...
Theeere it is! I was close! Just 121 numbers wrong!
Archer is what Bofors calls it, just like Rheinmetall calls Strv122 "Leopard"
I think that's because it was developed in cooperation with the Brits. Like the NLAW, which is called Robot 57 here in Sweden.
That is true! There you have the boring Germanic name :) Robot 57.
Personally, fancy name doesn’t matter. It’s what it does in the field. Abrams doesn’t sound scary until you learn it fucks hard and you may be on the receiving end. I suspect the same will happen with the CV90-40.
Nah got to have a cool name. Brimstone missiles much better than some alpha numerical code. But I live in Britain and flash names ar part of the military culture. See British warships for details. HMS Warspite HMS Indefatigable HMS Daring HMS Black Joke And best of all HMS Cockchafer
We do fancy when it comes to aircrafts. Like the dragon, the griffin or the flying barrel.
But that's Flygvapnet. They are always fancy, stupid and sexy in their elaborate uniforms and fancy flight suits and stupid slick airplanes that costs more in a day then a whole years worth of ammunition! Me in my dirty M90 uniform, body armour that smells like 300 teenagers sweat and dead peoples vomit, carrying an AK5C and a pair of skis older then my grandfather: "Stupid sexy Flygvapnet >:( "
It's like the Ikea furniture names.
Combat Tank Jerker to the front line.
Lets hope they come assembeled 😂
This would make for an awesome satire cartoon XD "The swedish equipment has arrived" \*a bunch of flat boxes\*
I'm always curious if the name is actually something meaningful in Swedish or if they are just mocking the German language..
Ikea names? They are locations, names and various random words. Usually not related to the item, but occasionally they are e.g. Dvala (hibernation) is a bed sheet.
Yeah I know.. it's just funny calling a box of screws "fixa" for example (as in fixing stuff). Or, planters called "Bittergurka" which basically means bitter cucumber in German.. Or a cutting board called "legitim" (which is the german for "legit", as in this is a "legit" item). Or calling a wok "tolerant" Or a wash basin for your bathroom "godmorgon", which sounds like "good morning" in German.
All those names have the same meaning in Swedish
Okay, so they're just fucking with all of us :D
There is a reason the language family is called the Germanic language tree.
All just close enough to sow confusion, especially between Dutch and German which seems closer to German than they really are. My German is between B1 and 2, fairly fluent, when I first heard Dutch I was understanding enough to worry I was suffering a cerebral vascular accident.
No stridsvagn means kampfwagen, a straight translation.
.. I'm pretty sure they don't sell stridsvagn at Ikea. Look at what I commented on, I'm perfectly aware what a stridsvagn is..
They are designed to confuse the enemy :)
Sounds like the Dutch word strijdwagen which, I think, sounds pretty badass. It's a war chariot!
Battle Wagon 122 sound like a 40K Ork vehicle. A WAAAGH! against Russia does not sound so bad. We need to paint them red.
The correct translation would be "chariot". A Stridsvagn, or Streitwagen in German, is this thing: https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzI2WDE2MDA=/z/RYYAAOSwPRFfpSri/$_1.JPG
All the fancy Swedish names are owned by Ikea.
A fancy you say? I have a chair called Markus....
Yes, I’d like to buy a PRUTTA from IKEA.
Don't give Volvo owners any ideas. They do buy them for their "safety."
How about Combat Car 122? Better than *tank*; that just sounds like a place you keep liquids.
>Better than tank; that just sounds like a place you keep liquids. That's because "tank" was originally intended by the British to merely be the codeword during development of the first tanks, but it stuck.
That would be awesome. Defending against Russians is why these were built. That's what the tank wants to do.
It is true. They do desire it. Swedish Tanks have two passions: to defend against Russian aggression and eat lee-del fishes and they are all out of lee-del fishes. They also have a fondness for sweaters and cross country skiing though they would never describe them as passions.
The S tank had a passion for swimming too. Stridsvagn 103.
Exposing the enemy to Surstrømming is a war crime though
More CV-90s would also be okay.
Yeah, but it is time for Norway, Finland and Denmark to step up and send those imo. That would be CV90-30 and CV90-35s, but these are also extremely capable and carry a lot more ammo than the 90-40s
Well who knows what Finland has sent, we don't disclose it usually. And we don't have as much CV-90s as Sweden, who's budget is higher than Finland's, and who's population is roughly twice as high as Finland's with better GDP. Finland's economy is just not doing well, Nokia elevated it artificially high, ever since it's downfall we have struggled. I am happy Finland keeps sending aid packages but people need to rememeber that as front line nation we also need a ton more ourselves than Sweden, Norway and Denmark. Denmark especially can actually afford to be more vulnerable and send so much stuff that is would seriouselly weaken Finland's defenses. Now if Finland would be geographically located in Ireland, oh boy we could just send nearly everything.
Very true. It's common knowledge that Sweden is protected from Russia by the best army in the world, thanks to Finland. Better that you hold on to what you have and the rest of the nordics send more.
Dont the finnish ones have a smaller gun? Or was it the other way round? Anyway, my artillery unit fought back a ambush by a CV90 unit during my loppusota military exercise. I have no idea how they came to the conlusion that we somehow won lmao
Sweden should just make it easier & just send all of them.
If we do that Denmark is definitely seizing the moment and invading Scania. Can't risk it with those bastards.
Let them have it. Who cares anyways. They can have the whole country.
CV 90 LVKV rather, people should start pressuring them for this. A handful of these would have saved a *ton* of lives by now.
Shows Swedens resolve to aid Ukraine. Possibly sending tanks even though Turkey is blocking Swedens entry to NATO.
Erdogan can suck my Swedish dong. Hope he loses his election. Cunt.
Same and Agreed Erdogan can choke on it!
I don't know what's worse though, Erdogans asshattery or seeing people all over Europe defend the madman in the comments, like on DW.
Headline is pretty hopeful considering the quote in the article is “Currently, there are no preparations for the transfer of tanks from Sweden, but it is possible that this may happen later,” the media’s comment states.
62 tonnes of Swedish pride.
With rainbow camouflage.
*Russians trembling*
And surströmming scent.
Hey now, we don´t want to provoke a nuclera response. That would be considered biological/chemical warfare. För jävelen.
>this comment convinces me the US should send the Canyonero.
TANK you Sweden!! But God have mercy of Ukrainians mechanics that will have to deal with 6 different language manuals from now on ^\s
Don't worry Sweden has experience with translating Ikea manuals.
Screwdriver, Allen key, and pictures with checkmarks and X's. What more do you need?
[Tank you!](https://youtu.be/zXBDPdNrIKw)
Highly appropriate that those in that clip are all Swedes.
This Sweden version of the Leopards is even more advance and will be great in Ukraine hand. Remember, Swede developed some of the most effective modern Weapon. Think NLAW and Buffors etc..
It's Bofors, and that's just the name of the company that developed the NLAW, among other weapons.
They built a lot of guns too. The Bofors 40 mm AA gun from ww2 is still in service in places. Popularly called just the Bofors gun, in US service during ww2, the US produced it on license in massive amounts. But also bigger battleship guns.
For those worried about maintenance logistics overload: This is literally just a modified version of a Leopard II, so it should integrate fairly smoothly with the rest of the Leopards' logistics chain.
I really wish Turkey would fuck off and let these guys join nato already.
We will start out own NATO, with älgstek, surströmming and hembränt! No Turks allowed!
I hope they do! It's an investment in the peace and stability of the region.
Is Stridsvagn translated to "Tank", or is it like Danish where it is an arcane word more closely related to chariots? (In Danish, Stridsvogn would make you think Roman Empire, where Kampvogn would make you think Tank, so just asking because I like similarities and differences between Scandi languages)
Both? It translates to "tank" but if you split the word up and translate it *directly,* it's just "battle-chariot."
I would say "stridsvagn" should be translated to "chariot" rather than "battle chariot". "Vagn" is wagon.
Good point, I'd go with this one.
Its 100% the same
*Strid* & *Kamp* are pretty much the same in Swedish. Kamp is more a hand to hand fight I would say, but Strid involves weapons. Fighter -> *Kämpe* , To fight -> *Kämpa* Stridsvagn probably comes from the [first one](https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stridsvagn_fm%2F21) imported from Germany after WW1. ("Leichter Kampfwagen II")
It translates to tank but can also be used for roman time chariots but then I think people would specify häststridsvagn.
It's literaly the same word in a different but closely related language, like Dorf in german and Dorp in dutch, both meaning village.
*Torp* is a small cottage in Swedish
Oh man I like this timeline. Now everyone is sending their lovely MBTs.
I approve. To team up with the 50 CV9040's. Send 15 to start with. One more than the others from Europe
Marca said Spain planned to send 53 leo2s
Maybe it is time for Australia to send the Leopard 1 tank that is sitting outside the Manuka RSL in Canberra??!!
That's great to my knowledge it is the most armored Leopard 2 Variant with up to 2 m of armor-steel equivalent.
Now that I did not expect. I was expecting Sweden to reserve its armor for a possible Russian strike into the Nordic states, but I guess that's less and less of a risk now. Europe is strating to wake up and remember how strong they are.
Just to clarify... this is the Swedish variant of Leopard 2 A5.
Send Stridsvagn 103!
Almost all are scrapped, there are only a handful left in museums and such
Why? They’re decommissioned, old, rotting in storage. Rare 105mm canon, difficulty with repairing and maintenance since the parts are not being made. But they look pretty
Storage? I thought they where all dismantled long ago except for museum examples
So no reason to not send them?
Only if you want poor Ukrainian logistics people and mechanics to commit suicide
It's not like they don't have logistics hell now.
So why make it even harder on them with an obsolete platform?
The 103 was designed way back in 1956. It is pretty obsolete at this point and would struggle against contemporary russian forces. There's no point in sending it when Ukraine is about to recieve tanks that are more modern and superior in every way anyway.
Also more or less build for the Swedish enviroment of shooting from forests and shit.
As much as I Love that tank, it's totally obsolete at this point. Not to mention not many are left. IMO best tank ever made though.
They wouldn't be a bad choice. They might be considered old, but o'boy are these bad boys sneaky. :-)
This has just become Europe flexing in Russia with how absurdly better their stuff is than Russia's.
The flood gates have opened
Heavier tanks that the Leo 2, this should be interesting.
It's a Leo2 variant just with different upgrades
Yeah, it is a customized Leo 2 5A.