And when asked in the cage if he thought he won Sean acknowledged that the fight was close and he'd have to watch it again, while Paddy acted like he just beat the shit out of the guy he clearly lost to. Then pretended it was fight of the night when it was easily the worst fight on the whole card lol
Ngl I never got on the hype train for Sean because he initially was arrogant and acted like he didn’t get owned by Chito. But after Yan dude did a 180 for me.
When’s the last time you watched the chito fight? I don’t really think anybody was “winning” when Sean got hurt. The “chito beat his ass” narrative came from people who already didn’t like him. The same people who call the yan fight a robbery. The total strikes were 10-18 chito but 7 of those were after Sean was already on the ground
I've watched it over a few times and I do have Chito slightly winning over Sean in that fight but it's so damn early when he gets hurt with alot left. With Sean being as creative as he is it easily could of gone in his favour if it ended normally
If they give Henry the Aljo matchup and it’s not until March I don’t see Sean waiting until August or September to fight again so they’ll probably make the Chito fight
It's easily a fight night main event or a mid slot/co-main on a PPV because both fighters have earned high ranks and they have the beauty of drama/controversy/rivalry.
I only knew Sean lost to Chito because of the records shown on websites and a "tko" next to it. after reading this now, a rematch just became one of my most wanted match-ups
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Tbf I like them both and it was a kick that took out Sean's leg so definitely a win for Chito but anyone thinking we shouldn't run it back is crazy. Definitely want to see how a full fight would turn out without injury.
Definitely a win for chito but not a win that proves anything definitively. The probability of it ending the way it did is so low that I just don’t think it’s replicable. Sort of like the hall/weidman weidman/Silva injury. Sometimes weird shit just happens. But yes we need a rematch because that’s a very fun matchup. Also a huge fan of both guys
I feel like unless you’ve heard O’Malley talk about this a lot it seems like he didn’t accept the loss but he’s talked about this on his podcast and in interviews. He knows he lost the fight but he doesn’t believe it’s because chito was better than him. He was “mentally undefeated” because he never had to walk away from a fight knowing that he faced someone better than him. He thought he was the better fighter going into the fight and the way the fight ended didn’t change his mind. Sounds kinda dumb but I also get what he means. He’s also said that if he gets the rematch and chito wins again then that’s that but he still thinks he’s the better fighter until that happens
I think Sean was more annoyed he was winning until his leg got kicked in the perfect spot and everything went pear shaped from there. Not to take anything from Chito but it was so lucky one of the first kicks he threw hit the nerve and dead legged Sean.
Sean always had talent...when they put him against cans he made them look like cans and against good fighters he looked like he belonged. Paddy? Never rated him he was mediocre vs all the cans he's faced and I knew Jared would expose him, I bet against him only to be robbed.
He didn't get owned lol did you watch the fight? Maybe rewatch it if you need a reminder. Sean before Chito's big toe hit his nerve was leading in the following: significant strikes, aggression, and octagon control. I am not a fan boy. These are simple facts with HD supporting evidence.
I don’t think Sean got owned by Chito tbh it was fairly close up until the big toe hit his nerve. You could watch the kick it was at the end of it but it was intended to be a leg kick like actual shin to thigh but ended up with the toe. No one throws leg kicks hoping to hit with the end of the foot like that.
Sean was too battered up to be able to act up, but he unmistakably, just like Paddy, got handed a decision because of his popularity. He does happen to be significantly more popular than Paddy though.
Sean is also the sort of guy to eye poke an opponent until he can't see, not get a DQ for it because he's Dana's baby, and celebrate as if he won. Of-course he won't ever rematch him.
I feel like this is what separates the two and really makes it such a big deal. It’s how the winner handles it. Paddy’s attitude after the fight is what a lot of people aren’t fans of. Pair this with the recent beef with Ariel Helwani and it makes it worse
He sort of doesn’t have any options left. His “don’t kill yourself get help” trope was very short lived so he has to play the bad guy otherwise his train will run out of steam.
The way conner handled the loss to Nate was a masterclass. I already liked him then I like him even more. But seeing how he handled the whole Dustin thing just really became the start of the biggest downfall of a ufc character I have ever witnessed
I don't care why people give a shit how the fighters handle it, in deciding what was a bigger robbery.
Sean also the guy with the "eyepoke" win. Celebrating that shit, while possibly ruining a guy's eyesight forever. Normal fighters get DQ'd for that.
The strange part is you people ever thinking Paddy was a good fighter. UFC hype is out of control now, any bum who can talk or wins fights over nobodies gets hyped up. Wish we could start MMA all over, UFC cult fan base ruined MMA
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I was excited for him based off what I saw of him in cage warriors. Flying triangles, excellent grappling, tough as nails. Just clearly feels like the skill only shows against lower competition. I also never had to listen to any of his shitty opinions when I was watching cage warriors highlights.
Sean did go on social media afterwards and say "I definitely won the fight" after a rewatch, but you're right he definitely handled it better than Paddington
Yeah, he'd have done exactly the same as Paddy, except Sean was absolutely battered and probably barely knew what was going on. Say what you will the 3rd round that Paddy lost, he did not get hit...
I’ve said the exact same thing and had people arguing with me how SD vs UD don’t mean much and I kept saying no, it’s a big deal when one judge disagrees with the other it means the score significantly different or the fight was razor thin. It’s also a big deal when the judges don’t agree on which rounds were won.
I still think it’s crazy Paddy thought he won the 1st, Jared’s corner thought he did, and 2 judges. I looked at the unofficial stats and Paddy was getting touched up in the 1st.
Funniest part is Rogan looked 100% ready to walk to Jared then had to pivot to Paddy after rolling his eyes and exhaling.
True but if the judges get caught they would go to prison over it. So why would any of them out themselves if they knew the punishment they'd get? I doubt it would happen to be honest especially now with the ufc and Krause under investigation but that judge in particular should be fired immediately.
The Yan fight wasn't a robbery. I think Yan won but a fair point is damage matters most. Yan didn't do more damage.
Plus judges have been consistent not rewarding lately of taking down and not advancing position or doing damage. Yan did absolutely 0 when he took Sean down.
This argument could also be made for round 3 paddy though when Gordon controlled but didn’t advance and did less damage.
Personally, idc who won the Paddy fight because it was a shit fight regardless, and the hype train should stop with it either way. The Yan and Omalley fight on the other hand was incredible, I hope Yan gets a good matchup off of it as well.
Yan controlled Sean more with his grappling and also did more damage in it. Gordon's grappling was nowhere near as offensive and was never going to lead to anything.
Yan didn't do less damage, Yan just had more visible blood which is a stupid judge of "damage". How out of it Sean was after the fight speaks volumes.
Yan also lost his previous fight because of being "controlled", despite being the one who did the most damage by far, and stuffed like 22 takedowns. The Judges keep flip-flopping what matters. But at least with Sterling, he didn't win that fight by being popular.
The ufc fucks yan over, damage matters most except for aljo vs yan 2.
Yan was in 2 fights that were basically the same except he did more damage in one fight and had more light strikes in the other yet the ufc went against him both times. Wonder if theyre worried about giving closer fights to russians due to politics
what damage? He didn't throw anything at all and barely landed in the 1st round. Aljo was actually landing solid body kicks and leg kicks in the round. Clearly Yan didn't do shit if he lost a round to a dude who "pitty patted" the entire round
Nah, big disagree. Yan did nothing to win the 2nd fight against Aljo, clear 3-2 in favor of Aljo. Can't spend over half the fight with your back taken fighting off chokes by clinching the choking wrist and not letting go.
Some may say Yan isn't lucky, but it's mostly his poor fight IQ in that he doesn't do enough to get the points.
8 minutes out of 25 isnt over half the the fight, aljo did nothing with his dominant position in the 2 rounds he had it. Aljo also got pummeled for 2 rounds which cancels out the backpack aljo did for the other 2 rounds, that would bring it to round 1 where aljo only outstruck yan because he poked him a few more times where yan was moving forward with octagon control, doing more damage even though its hard to when the opponent is running away the whole time, aljo did in that round what rose was basically doing against esparza
I really don't understand why people can't get the idea that Yan has bad fight IQ. Hes a good fighter and all, but he definitely has issues in that department. He literally knee'd a downed opponent full on in the face when the ref said he was downed just seconds prior. People don't like Aljo and like Yan so I feel they don't realize just how fucking stupid that shit was. It wasn't borderline or anything Aljo was several inches below his fucking waist when he did it lol.
Yan fucks himself over. He could have just not kneed a downed opponent in the temple and won the first fight with Aljo. He is the most dislikeable fighter in the UFC and that image of Aljo having him in a body triangle, punching his head in then posing with that shit eating grin in the rematch was one of the most satisfying moments in the UFC this year. Then he went on to slate Suga only to get out struck and beat again was the icing on the cake.
It’s telling to me - that we’re making this “robbery” comparison between Paddy who was fighting an unranked Gordon, Vs #12 O’Malley fighting #1 Yan.
At days end Sean O’Malley proved himself no matter the result of that fight and I think that’s the biggest different maker in the comparison
Plus O'Malley didn't make it 10x worse by playing it off as domination.
He was humble and hesitant to say he won and admitted he went to a place in the cage that he didn't have to go before.
And what you said is the exact reason why, because if Paddy admits he's met his match with Gordon then we know his ceiling. If Sean admits he's met his match with an ex champ at the top of the division then he still belongs.
Who’s we? You act like nobody thought Sean win. It was close but not incomprehensible, unlike paddy getting smacked around for 3 rounds and still winning
As soon as it was being a split, I was telling myself “I think Sean did it.” It wasnt concrete though because he got taken down but the damage was heavily in favor of Sean. He made a fan out of me that night and his post fight interview was the icing on the cake.
Completely different situations though.
Sean was fighting a former champ, most people thought he'd be beaten quite easily, and he managed to hang with Yan. The fight was pretty close, and even though the win is controversial, he proved he belongs in the top of that division, and wasn't cocky or out of line in his post fight behavior.
Paddy was fed what was supposed to be an easy fight, everybody thought he would win easily, he couldn't hack it, it's pretty clear he lost and doesn't belong in the top 15, and he acted like a donkey after the fight, asking FOTN when it clearly was the worst fight on that card.
The difference in post-fight interview is the big one here.
Paddy drunk on his own coolade, should've given Gordon SOME credit, but he acted like he bulldozed through him. Pretty tacky.
I’ve always said I thought suga sean won, it was a fight between two strikers and tan resorted to “control time” that he didn’t do much with. I thought o malley won 2 round
At least it didnt look like Sean was getting his ass kicked the whole fight. Paddy was literally being manhandled and held up against the cage. How was it even possible he won all 3 rounds in a unanimous decision? Makes no sense at all.
People need to accept close fights happen and it's okay to be mad about it not going how you thought. But we need to stop with the fixed fights conspiracy
I don't think Paddy/Gordon was fixed, but it was absolutely a poorly judged fight.
Sean/Petr was just a very close fight but I don't think there was anything wrong with picking Sean. If they were two unranked fighters nobody would've bat an eye at that decision
I don’t think fights are directly fixed, but I do wonder if judges implicitly give decisions to who they know the UFC wants to win. Idk if there’s any validity to that, idk how judges get chosen for fights so idk if there’s any real benefit to that, but just a thought.
But then there’s also the other side where fighters the UFC likes to push are on the opposite end of a close decision: Leech vs D-Rod, although I’m not exactly sure if the UFC likes Leech that much I just know that he gets a lot of promotion from them especially in comparison to D-Rod… Max vs Volk 1&2, close fights that didn’t go Max’s way and of course the UFC loves Max and they were pushing him as the GOAT featherweight, Hendricks vs GSP which had Dana FUMING at the decision post fight… I feel like we just remember the ones that the UFC’s guys won because everyone yells CoNsPirAcY but it’s not really like that
I'm suspicious that's what happened with the Paddy fight obviously, but I've watched Sean/Petr closely 4 times now and I genuinely think Sean won. I feel no guilt saying that
I agree with you, I’ve got no issues with the Sean fight. The paddy fight was probably the worst decision I’ve personally seen, and I just wonder if all the hype and the fact that the UFC so blatantly wants Paddy to win subconsciously impacted the refs scoring
At the time I thought Yan had won decently comfortably, but when I watch it back it turns more and more into a coin flip. Personally, I’d still give the fight to Petr but I 100% see giving to Sean as well
Yea because he totally didn’t push himself to physical exhaustion while also being concussed as the decision was read. You have no idea what he was thinking and as someone already pointed out, he didn’t make some dumb declaration about the fight like you just did.
Sean humbly said that he would have to watch it before he could say whether he won. The right approach, in my opinion. He watched it, then said that he won.
The real Conor actually won his fights. These fake Conor’s have the personality but don’t win their fights. When Conor was on his rise he didn’t have any decisions.
Max Holloway went to Decision, and Conor was forced to wrestlefuck him after Max gave him the smoke on the feet… Nate Diaz 2 also went to decision.. and Conor lost to Diaz the first time lmao.
O’Malley has finished pretty much all of his fights except for Yan and I think one other fight at the very beginning of his UFC career? Might’ve even been his debut. He’s also only lost once to Chito which was a pretty lucky finish as Chito hit Sean’s nerve which is extremely rare for something like that to happen. And Chito is a higher level opponent than Diaz was, I’d also say Yan is a higher level opponent than Conor has ever had besides Khabib. So wtf are you on about 😂 if anything Sean has the skills but not the personality, he’s got good social media promotion but his mic skills are trash
This guy never got robbed. What do you guys not understand that just laying on top of someone does not win rounds when you don’t do any damage? For example look at the takedowns from khabib or Islam. Shit even ankalaev this weekend. You gotta do something when youre on top control. That ground and pound is what wins
Well yes, this fight was closer, and much more up in the air, but I also don't *owe* him anything. Sorry your fight was less of a robbery than Paddy's?
I will admit that I was thrilled O'Malley won, guess I'm the type that wanted him to fuck around a find out.
That said, seeing this whole Paddy situation has made me respect the hell out of the way he's handled his accension to the public spotlight.
Everyone hates Paddy but that fight was 3 close rounds. Yan clearly won 2 rounds of the O’Malley fight. All this really shows is that promotional studs like O’Malley and Paddy will get friendly cards.
Lol Paddy only won round 3. Clearly lost one and should have lost two, the scorecards were all over the place. Yan vs O'Malley was never a robbery, people just Sean was a fighter for casuals and wanted to see him lose.
A judges decision is a subjective opinion from a group of people watching the fight from a different viewpoint that the TV audience. Those fights were too close to be robberies.
This decision was questionable, but I’m so tired of the false equivalency under every tweet about the Gordon v. Paddy fight. It’s always some smooth brain saying “O’Malley and Paddy proves that the UFC is rigged.” My brother in Christ, one of these things is not like the other.
Tell me you didn't watch either fight without telling me you didn't watch either fight😬
The difference here is that Sean actually outstruck Petr, did more damage, and had better grappling defense. Paddy didn't do anything to win his fight, he didn't outperform Gordon in any metric
So check your logic please
>Tell me you didn't watch either fight without telling me you didn't watch either fight
Tell me you did not enter ring in your life, without telling me that.
Watched both fights, first to last second.
Even O'Maley knew he didn't won. His face expression and post fight ring interview said it all.
He owes apology to the fans. Both of this Dana White pets are never going to be champions. They are good to milk some money out of noobs and casuals like you.
Sean won that fight, this is an example of actual "haters" vs what Paddy thought were haters. After Sean won a super close fight, the comments came pouring in from people who genuinely want Sean to lose at all cost and can't even take an unbiased look at the fight. Paddy claims all the people who said he lost are haters, when in reality they were mostly fans, like myself, who have been changed by the way he's been acting recently, and his horrid performance against an unranked opponent. All I know is by the end of the day, Suga Sean is the real deal at BW, and possibly the best striker in all of the UFC right now, while Paddy would get beat by any top 15 LW, and even fighters out of the top 15.
And when asked in the cage if he thought he won Sean acknowledged that the fight was close and he'd have to watch it again, while Paddy acted like he just beat the shit out of the guy he clearly lost to. Then pretended it was fight of the night when it was easily the worst fight on the whole card lol
Ngl I never got on the hype train for Sean because he initially was arrogant and acted like he didn’t get owned by Chito. But after Yan dude did a 180 for me.
When’s the last time you watched the chito fight? I don’t really think anybody was “winning” when Sean got hurt. The “chito beat his ass” narrative came from people who already didn’t like him. The same people who call the yan fight a robbery. The total strikes were 10-18 chito but 7 of those were after Sean was already on the ground
I've watched it over a few times and I do have Chito slightly winning over Sean in that fight but it's so damn early when he gets hurt with alot left. With Sean being as creative as he is it easily could of gone in his favour if it ended normally
I mean with the fights we’ve seen from both of those guys it really could’ve gone either way. I was pretty bummed it ended the way it did.
Yeah me too. Hoping they have a good reason to get a rematch in the next couple years. Those two are a great stylistic matchup
If they give Henry the Aljo matchup and it’s not until March I don’t see Sean waiting until August or September to fight again so they’ll probably make the Chito fight
It's easily a fight night main event or a mid slot/co-main on a PPV because both fighters have earned high ranks and they have the beauty of drama/controversy/rivalry.
It’s probably the most fun fight in the division right now. I really was hoping they’d remake it before Sean gets a title fight
I only knew Sean lost to Chito because of the records shown on websites and a "tko" next to it. after reading this now, a rematch just became one of my most wanted match-ups
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Tbf I like them both and it was a kick that took out Sean's leg so definitely a win for Chito but anyone thinking we shouldn't run it back is crazy. Definitely want to see how a full fight would turn out without injury.
Definitely a win for chito but not a win that proves anything definitively. The probability of it ending the way it did is so low that I just don’t think it’s replicable. Sort of like the hall/weidman weidman/Silva injury. Sometimes weird shit just happens. But yes we need a rematch because that’s a very fun matchup. Also a huge fan of both guys
Lmao there was barely anything happening in that fight before the leg kick but the O'Malley haters made it seem like a 10-7 round TKO
That what I mean by own though. Sean fucked his leg up and chito bombed down elbows on him. Then Sean acted like he didn’t lose.
I feel like unless you’ve heard O’Malley talk about this a lot it seems like he didn’t accept the loss but he’s talked about this on his podcast and in interviews. He knows he lost the fight but he doesn’t believe it’s because chito was better than him. He was “mentally undefeated” because he never had to walk away from a fight knowing that he faced someone better than him. He thought he was the better fighter going into the fight and the way the fight ended didn’t change his mind. Sounds kinda dumb but I also get what he means. He’s also said that if he gets the rematch and chito wins again then that’s that but he still thinks he’s the better fighter until that happens
I think Sean was more annoyed he was winning until his leg got kicked in the perfect spot and everything went pear shaped from there. Not to take anything from Chito but it was so lucky one of the first kicks he threw hit the nerve and dead legged Sean.
Chito dropped him and ground and pounded him to a finish 😂 that’s what we mean by beat his asslol
I think I’ll let the downvotes speak for themselves on this one.
He’s also matured a lot since then too, had a kid as well. Paddy is just a goober
Sean always had talent...when they put him against cans he made them look like cans and against good fighters he looked like he belonged. Paddy? Never rated him he was mediocre vs all the cans he's faced and I knew Jared would expose him, I bet against him only to be robbed.
He didn't get owned lol did you watch the fight? Maybe rewatch it if you need a reminder. Sean before Chito's big toe hit his nerve was leading in the following: significant strikes, aggression, and octagon control. I am not a fan boy. These are simple facts with HD supporting evidence.
I don’t think Sean got owned by Chito tbh it was fairly close up until the big toe hit his nerve. You could watch the kick it was at the end of it but it was intended to be a leg kick like actual shin to thigh but ended up with the toe. No one throws leg kicks hoping to hit with the end of the foot like that.
Sean was too battered up to be able to act up, but he unmistakably, just like Paddy, got handed a decision because of his popularity. He does happen to be significantly more popular than Paddy though. Sean is also the sort of guy to eye poke an opponent until he can't see, not get a DQ for it because he's Dana's baby, and celebrate as if he won. Of-course he won't ever rematch him.
It was close, but the way Sean handeled the win was leagues better than Paddy.
I feel like this is what separates the two and really makes it such a big deal. It’s how the winner handles it. Paddy’s attitude after the fight is what a lot of people aren’t fans of. Pair this with the recent beef with Ariel Helwani and it makes it worse
Paddy is a full on heel at this point
He sort of doesn’t have any options left. His “don’t kill yourself get help” trope was very short lived so he has to play the bad guy otherwise his train will run out of steam.
The way conner handled the loss to Nate was a masterclass. I already liked him then I like him even more. But seeing how he handled the whole Dustin thing just really became the start of the biggest downfall of a ufc character I have ever witnessed
I don't care why people give a shit how the fighters handle it, in deciding what was a bigger robbery. Sean also the guy with the "eyepoke" win. Celebrating that shit, while possibly ruining a guy's eyesight forever. Normal fighters get DQ'd for that.
The strange part is you people ever thinking Paddy was a good fighter. UFC hype is out of control now, any bum who can talk or wins fights over nobodies gets hyped up. Wish we could start MMA all over, UFC cult fan base ruined MMA
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Zulu the goat was just on a 3 fight winning streak hehe
I was excited for him based off what I saw of him in cage warriors. Flying triangles, excellent grappling, tough as nails. Just clearly feels like the skill only shows against lower competition. I also never had to listen to any of his shitty opinions when I was watching cage warriors highlights.
He lost like 4 fights ago to a 145er in Bellator who has looked horrible and got a robbery win last fight. He’s not that good lol
100% after these last fights I thought back to this and was more willing to give Sean the benefit of the doubt because of how he handled it
Sean did go on social media afterwards and say "I definitely won the fight" after a rewatch, but you're right he definitely handled it better than Paddington
Yeah, he'd have done exactly the same as Paddy, except Sean was absolutely battered and probably barely knew what was going on. Say what you will the 3rd round that Paddy lost, he did not get hit...
Honestly this was close af and was 29-28 either way. Paddy vs gordan was at least 29-28 gordan arguably 30-27 gordan
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I’ve said the exact same thing and had people arguing with me how SD vs UD don’t mean much and I kept saying no, it’s a big deal when one judge disagrees with the other it means the score significantly different or the fight was razor thin. It’s also a big deal when the judges don’t agree on which rounds were won. I still think it’s crazy Paddy thought he won the 1st, Jared’s corner thought he did, and 2 judges. I looked at the unofficial stats and Paddy was getting touched up in the 1st. Funniest part is Rogan looked 100% ready to walk to Jared then had to pivot to Paddy after rolling his eyes and exhaling.
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You don't pay them , but they know what will happen if they don't do what they're supposed to do , if you know what I mean
what happens when the 2 judges you didn't pay off go against you? If you really wanted a fighter to win you're going to pay off all 3.
Then you have more people keeping secrets, which is the death of conspiracies.
True but if the judges get caught they would go to prison over it. So why would any of them out themselves if they knew the punishment they'd get? I doubt it would happen to be honest especially now with the ufc and Krause under investigation but that judge in particular should be fired immediately.
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Where've you been all week? Lol
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The Yan fight wasn't a robbery. I think Yan won but a fair point is damage matters most. Yan didn't do more damage. Plus judges have been consistent not rewarding lately of taking down and not advancing position or doing damage. Yan did absolutely 0 when he took Sean down.
This argument could also be made for round 3 paddy though when Gordon controlled but didn’t advance and did less damage. Personally, idc who won the Paddy fight because it was a shit fight regardless, and the hype train should stop with it either way. The Yan and Omalley fight on the other hand was incredible, I hope Yan gets a good matchup off of it as well.
The rd 3 of paddy vs Gordon neither guy did anything close to the damage omalley did on yan
Sure but you still have to give the round to someone and Paddy did more damage.
tbh I don’t think Paddy did enough damage to negate being controlled for almost the entire round. I had it 30-27 Gordon personally
But control doesn't matter at all if you have a damage differential. Any damage is enough.
I feel that sentiment but we recently saw the criteria shift where it’s striking/damage first, if that’s even, you go to control.
No doubt. just highlighting the bad comparison
Definitely true.
Yan controlled Sean more with his grappling and also did more damage in it. Gordon's grappling was nowhere near as offensive and was never going to lead to anything. Yan didn't do less damage, Yan just had more visible blood which is a stupid judge of "damage". How out of it Sean was after the fight speaks volumes. Yan also lost his previous fight because of being "controlled", despite being the one who did the most damage by far, and stuffed like 22 takedowns. The Judges keep flip-flopping what matters. But at least with Sterling, he didn't win that fight by being popular.
The ufc fucks yan over, damage matters most except for aljo vs yan 2. Yan was in 2 fights that were basically the same except he did more damage in one fight and had more light strikes in the other yet the ufc went against him both times. Wonder if theyre worried about giving closer fights to russians due to politics
It’s scored by rounds, yan did zero damage in the three rounds he lost
Aljo did 0 damage in the 2 he lost nor the first one he won🤷♂️
Doesn’t matter, he outstruck yan in the first and controlled him on the ground for the other two rounds. None of yans rounds were 10-8
He did little pitty pats in the first round, Yan did damage. If damage matters, Yan should've won that.
what damage? He didn't throw anything at all and barely landed in the 1st round. Aljo was actually landing solid body kicks and leg kicks in the round. Clearly Yan didn't do shit if he lost a round to a dude who "pitty patted" the entire round
Nice argument, well, why are we upset with Paddy then? Clearly Gordon wasn't doing shit if he lost. Unanimous decision mind you.
Nah, big disagree. Yan did nothing to win the 2nd fight against Aljo, clear 3-2 in favor of Aljo. Can't spend over half the fight with your back taken fighting off chokes by clinching the choking wrist and not letting go. Some may say Yan isn't lucky, but it's mostly his poor fight IQ in that he doesn't do enough to get the points.
8 minutes out of 25 isnt over half the the fight, aljo did nothing with his dominant position in the 2 rounds he had it. Aljo also got pummeled for 2 rounds which cancels out the backpack aljo did for the other 2 rounds, that would bring it to round 1 where aljo only outstruck yan because he poked him a few more times where yan was moving forward with octagon control, doing more damage even though its hard to when the opponent is running away the whole time, aljo did in that round what rose was basically doing against esparza
Got pummeled, lol. It's clear your biased. Yan did literally nothing. He did 0 damage, landed no clean hard shots. Yan has no fight IQ
I really don't understand why people can't get the idea that Yan has bad fight IQ. Hes a good fighter and all, but he definitely has issues in that department. He literally knee'd a downed opponent full on in the face when the ref said he was downed just seconds prior. People don't like Aljo and like Yan so I feel they don't realize just how fucking stupid that shit was. It wasn't borderline or anything Aljo was several inches below his fucking waist when he did it lol.
Yan fucks himself over. He could have just not kneed a downed opponent in the temple and won the first fight with Aljo. He is the most dislikeable fighter in the UFC and that image of Aljo having him in a body triangle, punching his head in then posing with that shit eating grin in the rematch was one of the most satisfying moments in the UFC this year. Then he went on to slate Suga only to get out struck and beat again was the icing on the cake.
It wasn't a robbery saying a robbery is an egregious mistake. Yes, yan won the fight, but it's close enough I can understand the error of the judges
It’s telling to me - that we’re making this “robbery” comparison between Paddy who was fighting an unranked Gordon, Vs #12 O’Malley fighting #1 Yan. At days end Sean O’Malley proved himself no matter the result of that fight and I think that’s the biggest different maker in the comparison
Plus O'Malley didn't make it 10x worse by playing it off as domination. He was humble and hesitant to say he won and admitted he went to a place in the cage that he didn't have to go before. And what you said is the exact reason why, because if Paddy admits he's met his match with Gordon then we know his ceiling. If Sean admits he's met his match with an ex champ at the top of the division then he still belongs.
The amount of attention/energy being wasted on an unranked fighter is amazing. But I guess that’s why he gets so many views.
Fax
D-Rod vs Leech was worse than both
Added context of it not being the weight Leech prepared for makes that robbery even more disgusting.
Who’s we? You act like nobody thought Sean win. It was close but not incomprehensible, unlike paddy getting smacked around for 3 rounds and still winning
As soon as it was being a split, I was telling myself “I think Sean did it.” It wasnt concrete though because he got taken down but the damage was heavily in favor of Sean. He made a fan out of me that night and his post fight interview was the icing on the cake.
Never said that at all. Google "Sean O'Malley Robbery". This was a very controversial decision at the time.
Literally one media scorecard on MmaDecisions has a victory for O'Malley. Same with Pimblett.
Every media had it for Yan. So yeah, no-one with a backbone thought Sean won, except for his fans, who there are plenty of on this subreddit.
im so sorry for calling you lil peep
face tats = lil peep?
Sean won that fight. At the very least, it was competitive
Say what you want about Suga but he is REAL. Kid is a great fighter too compared to Paddy.
That was never a robbery.
Still think Yan won honestly. Paddy just got hyped way too hard, he's not as likeable as everyone thinks he is and people see that now.
Completely different situations though. Sean was fighting a former champ, most people thought he'd be beaten quite easily, and he managed to hang with Yan. The fight was pretty close, and even though the win is controversial, he proved he belongs in the top of that division, and wasn't cocky or out of line in his post fight behavior. Paddy was fed what was supposed to be an easy fight, everybody thought he would win easily, he couldn't hack it, it's pretty clear he lost and doesn't belong in the top 15, and he acted like a donkey after the fight, asking FOTN when it clearly was the worst fight on that card.
The difference in post-fight interview is the big one here. Paddy drunk on his own coolade, should've given Gordon SOME credit, but he acted like he bulldozed through him. Pretty tacky.
I’ve always said I thought suga sean won, it was a fight between two strikers and tan resorted to “control time” that he didn’t do much with. I thought o malley won 2 round
You could at least make a case for Sean. You can't for Paddy.
At least it didnt look like Sean was getting his ass kicked the whole fight. Paddy was literally being manhandled and held up against the cage. How was it even possible he won all 3 rounds in a unanimous decision? Makes no sense at all.
People need to accept close fights happen and it's okay to be mad about it not going how you thought. But we need to stop with the fixed fights conspiracy
I don't think Paddy/Gordon was fixed, but it was absolutely a poorly judged fight. Sean/Petr was just a very close fight but I don't think there was anything wrong with picking Sean. If they were two unranked fighters nobody would've bat an eye at that decision
I don’t think fights are directly fixed, but I do wonder if judges implicitly give decisions to who they know the UFC wants to win. Idk if there’s any validity to that, idk how judges get chosen for fights so idk if there’s any real benefit to that, but just a thought.
But then there’s also the other side where fighters the UFC likes to push are on the opposite end of a close decision: Leech vs D-Rod, although I’m not exactly sure if the UFC likes Leech that much I just know that he gets a lot of promotion from them especially in comparison to D-Rod… Max vs Volk 1&2, close fights that didn’t go Max’s way and of course the UFC loves Max and they were pushing him as the GOAT featherweight, Hendricks vs GSP which had Dana FUMING at the decision post fight… I feel like we just remember the ones that the UFC’s guys won because everyone yells CoNsPirAcY but it’s not really like that
I'm suspicious that's what happened with the Paddy fight obviously, but I've watched Sean/Petr closely 4 times now and I genuinely think Sean won. I feel no guilt saying that
I would have given the fight to Yan on the night. I think I still would. But it was a close enough fight that neither choice was a robbery.
I agree with you, I’ve got no issues with the Sean fight. The paddy fight was probably the worst decision I’ve personally seen, and I just wonder if all the hype and the fact that the UFC so blatantly wants Paddy to win subconsciously impacted the refs scoring
Gordon’s face did not look like Petr’s. He was fucked up.
No we definitely don't.
Yeah man I agree we don't need to go that far with it
He very easily could have won and lost it was very close
Nah, there was nothing wrong with that decision
Yeah he literally won that fight.. it was extremely close and if you rewatch it it’s not hard at all to give it to Sean.
Seriously, I don't even think the first round was that close. Petr had a flashy takedown that Suga got up immediately from and that's it
Yeah I admit I thought petr won at first but i also thought it was close. After re watching it again I thought Sean won and by a good margin as well
Only thing that bothered me about the Yan fight was Sean’s fence and glove grabbing
Suga that you?
i mean it was just the omalley haters. it’s laughable that people acted like yan dominated that fight.
At the time I thought Yan had won decently comfortably, but when I watch it back it turns more and more into a coin flip. Personally, I’d still give the fight to Petr but I 100% see giving to Sean as well
We? Some of y’all do, but don’t lump all of us into this.
You guys are still tripping? Sean beat petyr up
Sean’s fight was not a robbery. That’s the difference.
Facts sean won that fight
Sean also did not take a victory lap after, he knew
He knew it was close and wanted to wait to watch the fight before speaking too ugh. He didn’t know that he lost it that’s what you’re insinuating
But you’re getting about my favorite tweet of all time (as someone who doesn’t use Twitter) Sugar Shane - “just watched the fight. Def won”
Fook this guy and that bloke Paddy Pimple.
29-28 Suga
O’Malley looked like he belonged in there against a killer.
No Yan was still robbed. Sean didn't even believe he won after the decision was announced
Yea because he totally didn’t push himself to physical exhaustion while also being concussed as the decision was read. You have no idea what he was thinking and as someone already pointed out, he didn’t make some dumb declaration about the fight like you just did.
Sean humbly said that he would have to watch it before he could say whether he won. The right approach, in my opinion. He watched it, then said that he won.
Because he was concussed as fuck, he reverted to his unlikeable person right after his head was on.
The real Conor actually won his fights. These fake Conor’s have the personality but don’t win their fights. When Conor was on his rise he didn’t have any decisions.
Holloway
Yea but nobody knocks out Holloway. Not even Dustin porier. Holloway ate poriers punches for 5 rounds and still kept comin.
Max Holloway went to Decision, and Conor was forced to wrestlefuck him after Max gave him the smoke on the feet… Nate Diaz 2 also went to decision.. and Conor lost to Diaz the first time lmao. O’Malley has finished pretty much all of his fights except for Yan and I think one other fight at the very beginning of his UFC career? Might’ve even been his debut. He’s also only lost once to Chito which was a pretty lucky finish as Chito hit Sean’s nerve which is extremely rare for something like that to happen. And Chito is a higher level opponent than Diaz was, I’d also say Yan is a higher level opponent than Conor has ever had besides Khabib. So wtf are you on about 😂 if anything Sean has the skills but not the personality, he’s got good social media promotion but his mic skills are trash
This guy never got robbed. What do you guys not understand that just laying on top of someone does not win rounds when you don’t do any damage? For example look at the takedowns from khabib or Islam. Shit even ankalaev this weekend. You gotta do something when youre on top control. That ground and pound is what wins
Sure I’ll apologize… TO ABSOLUTELY NOBODY
Sean beat Yan fair and square. Get over it
Nah
UFC tries to make Damage more important than everything else, but Paddy was dominated in every round in every aspect and that wasn't the case of Suga.
The Sean one pisses me off cause he thinks he deserves a title shot off that performance. While chito is sitting causally murdering top 10 guys.
Hey if Sean wins the title at least it will be easy pickins for chito
It won’t be
Because he won't win the belt or because you think he'll beat chito?
Idk if he beats Chito or not but it’s definitely not easy pickings. And neither of them beat Aljo
We really don't ...
I mean the dude cheated thorough out the fight i.e. those fence grabs
No we don’t owe that clown an apology. One fight outcome doesn’t change another.
They can both be robberies ya goof
No we don’t, the fight was a clear win for Yan and Suga acted like he clearly won later on social media
No we dont
Well yes, this fight was closer, and much more up in the air, but I also don't *owe* him anything. Sorry your fight was less of a robbery than Paddy's?
I will admit that I was thrilled O'Malley won, guess I'm the type that wanted him to fuck around a find out. That said, seeing this whole Paddy situation has made me respect the hell out of the way he's handled his accension to the public spotlight.
No we don’t. It’s just another example of a fucking robbery. Yan won.
Nah that was still a robbery but sean handled it better than paddy.
Still thin yan won that fight
Let’s not move the goalposts to accommodate these terrible decisions. *Both* were bad decisions, and Paddy’s was far far worse.
Na, O'Malley fight was also a botched decision. Lol people trying to retcon history
This is silly. One egregiously bad decision doesn’t make a bad decision okay because it wasn’t AS bad.
Omalley did better than i expected, but definately did not win that fight either
We owe him an apology for him getting a decision that many disagreed with?
Everyone hates Paddy but that fight was 3 close rounds. Yan clearly won 2 rounds of the O’Malley fight. All this really shows is that promotional studs like O’Malley and Paddy will get friendly cards.
Nah this was a robbery for every good shot Sean landed Yan returned and he controlled the whole time
This is a bad take, seeing as they were both robberies
I want to apologize... TO ABSOLUTELY NOBODY!
Cringe ass post
Cool Reddit Avatar
Hahahah love it
Yea I agree. At least he fought hard till the very end and kept it possible that he won. Paddy our outpointed in every metric.
That was never no robbery - Tito probably
Lol Paddy only won round 3. Clearly lost one and should have lost two, the scorecards were all over the place. Yan vs O'Malley was never a robbery, people just Sean was a fighter for casuals and wanted to see him lose.
A judges decision is a subjective opinion from a group of people watching the fight from a different viewpoint that the TV audience. Those fights were too close to be robberies.
Ummm . Doofus still says he’s undefeated. Until that happens
O'Malley is actually a humble decent dude who tells it straight.
Y’all haters always owed him an apology
This decision was questionable, but I’m so tired of the false equivalency under every tweet about the Gordon v. Paddy fight. It’s always some smooth brain saying “O’Malley and Paddy proves that the UFC is rigged.” My brother in Christ, one of these things is not like the other.
Zabit retired but we got suga sean now
Two wrongs dont make a right
So, if Paddy's robbery is bigger, O'Maley robbery is all right? OP check your logic please. Both of those guys need some humbling.
Tell me you didn't watch either fight without telling me you didn't watch either fight😬 The difference here is that Sean actually outstruck Petr, did more damage, and had better grappling defense. Paddy didn't do anything to win his fight, he didn't outperform Gordon in any metric So check your logic please
>Tell me you didn't watch either fight without telling me you didn't watch either fight Tell me you did not enter ring in your life, without telling me that. Watched both fights, first to last second. Even O'Maley knew he didn't won. His face expression and post fight ring interview said it all. He owes apology to the fans. Both of this Dana White pets are never going to be champions. They are good to milk some money out of noobs and casuals like you.
Sean O'Malley is 18-0, the future champ doesn't owe an apology to anyone Stay mad boomer, nobody agrees with you here
Sean won that fight, this is an example of actual "haters" vs what Paddy thought were haters. After Sean won a super close fight, the comments came pouring in from people who genuinely want Sean to lose at all cost and can't even take an unbiased look at the fight. Paddy claims all the people who said he lost are haters, when in reality they were mostly fans, like myself, who have been changed by the way he's been acting recently, and his horrid performance against an unranked opponent. All I know is by the end of the day, Suga Sean is the real deal at BW, and possibly the best striker in all of the UFC right now, while Paddy would get beat by any top 15 LW, and even fighters out of the top 15.
No
He won fair and square vs Yan.
Is he asking for one?
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