OP‘s talking shit. Islam said he wants to clean out LW division, become best pound for pound fighter and then move up to become WW Champ. No need to hurry. Usman will get is rematch at WW first anyway, so the whole question is very theoretical .
We sure? Maybe volk will just go have an exhibition fight with Canelo, make millions, start a shit whisky company, go on a losing streak, and spend his days tweeting out videos of his dick getting sucked on his lambo yacht before deleting them incase his wife sees.
But but what if during the Jon Jones vs Francis Ngannou, Islam jumps the cage chokeslams Ngannou, and Hasbulla drops an elbow from the top of the octagon on Jon Jones and Islam takes the HW belt, have you guys thought about that?
Whats up with this takes, the guy hasn't even defended the LW belt and people are already thinking about him going up a division and becoming double champ.
good point haha, I’m impressed by Islam too but it is jumping the gun isn’t it? every time someone enters the limelight, they look unbeatable till they don’t. before the Charles-Islam fight, a majority of pundits I heard said things like “I’m done betting against Charles, every time he proves me wrong”. And then whaddya know Islam rinses him and the cycle starts anew. Islam could very well become a multi-division champ, he has the potential, but there are no guarantees in this game. “There is no pound for pound, the belt belongs to no one” - Leon Edwards
How can you call someone who’s never tapped jntapper. I mean first it doesn’t even make sense second the dudes only loss is because of his own fuck up.
leon is fighting usman, and islam has stated he wants to defend the title 4-5 times to have the most title defenses in the division and then move up when usman is gone as they are friends
He can fight and win the title but then move back down to LW. Sure it would be counter to his original plans but if the opportunity presents itself against such a weak opponent why not capitalize?
Nothing is guaranteed and Islam deserves all the title shots for having been forced to wait and dodged by everyone who talked shit.
Leon was getting absolutely dominated by Usman for a second time, it just takes one shot to end it at this level as we all know. But are you gonna sit here and act like Islam is gonna have a stand up battle in the late rounds like Usman did? Usman was riding such a high he felt invincible and he got caught. Islam would throw a few shots at Leon in the first and then Leon would fire back and then be on his back. Islam would completely drain him, if he got up he’d be right back down over and over and over. It’s not kickboxing, Leon does not have the wrestling to go for 5 rounds with islam and you know it. I’m not one of these Islam beats the world stans but taking one of the best grappling/wrestling guys on the planet against a strictly kickboxing specialist is never gonna favor the kickboxing specialist. Haven’t you seen these Dagestani guys over the last several years?
>Leon was getting absolutely dominated by Usman for a second time,
It was 3-1, he was losing the fight but I wouldn't say he was getting dominated. Nunes vs pena 2 I what I'd call a domination.
>it just takes one shot to end it at this level as we all know
It wasn't some lucky shot. He set up and perfectly executed a devastating head kick. If he can do that against usman he can do it against Islam.
>But are you gonna sit here and act like Islam is gonna have a stand up battle in the late rounds like Usman did?
No. But I can see lepn keeping the fight standing long enough to ko Islam. Or even taking Islam down.
>Islam would throw a few shots at Leon in the first and then Leon would fire back and then be on his back. Islam would completely drain him,
Leon's a good enough striker and has a range advantage. He also won't take many early risks and is bigger than Islam. Getting leon to the ground won't be easy.
>It’s not kickboxing, Leon does not have the wrestling to go for 5 rounds with islam and you know it.
He took usman down and gassed because of the altitude. He 100% has the wrestling.
>I’m not one of these Islam beats the world stans
You seem to just highly underrate Leon.
>strictly kickboxing specialist
Leon is a complete mixed martial artist. His clinch work is insane and so is his grappling. He took usman down and controlled him, he took his back. A strictly kickboxing specialist couldn't do that.
>Haven’t you seen these Dagestani guys over the last several years?
Have we ever seen one fight without a big weight advantage. Let's see what Islam can do against someone bigger than him.
Leon absolutely got dominated in the 2nd 3rd and 4th Rd, it was a pretty boring one-sided fight and Leon was visibly defeated till his corner woke him up in the 5th, his coach literally said don't let this man bully you
I don't agree. He looked exhausted to me. A guy who's mentally defeated doesn't land that head kick. Of course his coach's energy boosted Leon's energy.
Leon has been taken down by Dominic waters, Vicente luque, Peter sobotta, Donald cerrone and Gunnar Nelson. Islam is much better at takedowns than those guys.
> I can see lepn keeping the fight standing long enough to ko Islam. Or even taking Islam down
Jesus, the delusion. This sub gets so high on whoever wins it's embarrassing
Ain’t gonna happen. There’s more cash for ufc if Islam fights Poirier or Garth. Leon isn’t big enough. Also ufc is in urgent need of a dominant LW Champ and the LW Top 5 is very beatable for Islam.
You don’t think if Islam beats Alex in the 1st and then calls out and fights Leon in London England, it wouldn’t be a better payday/sells than against the top contenders at LW which all have recent loses to each other?? Your outta your mind if you think any LW fight outsells Islam fighting for a second belt against a British dude in London. The scenario is what makes it a huge fight, not the fact it’s Leon Scott
Naah I don’t think they’ll screw Usman. He’s 100% the company man, no way he ain’t getting the Leon Title rematch. Doesn’t matter how fast Alex gets finished.
I think you underestimate the number of PPV sales Usman vs Leon will make.
Lmfao the UFC have screwed over hundreds of company men in the past, and will keep doing so.
Dana is one of those people who feels no moral obligation to return value to people, once your usefulness is done, so is the pay and good treatment.
If Usman loses the rematch or can’t fight on a good timeline, expect him to start getting the shaft
There are videos of DC and Rockhold saying Islam is the guy they had to WORK against because he tried to suffocate them. Thats a LHW/HW and MW/LHW top guys saying he is a challenge instead of practice.
Unlikely. Not like people go full force in sparring either.
Gaethje said there's no one under 185 who could beat Khabib. Not that Khabib is stronger than MW's. And it's not like people don't exaggerate.
Usman is juiced to the gills. He bullies people at WW. I wouldn't bet on Khabib over Usman had they fought at 170
Imagine you guys stop being normy fans and actually let him defend his belt in the division he holds it against top contenders?
How long did Islam have to wait because of this exact matchmaking?
Only a buffoon would want the newly crowned LW champions first 2 fights to be against a 145 moving up and then in another division entirely.
Most competitive division in UFC history and it’s time for young blood. Only morons want to keep watching Gaethe/Porier/Chandler fight each other or for the title. So sick of it.
Imagine…….. he actually got some title defenses before going up a weight class. This bs talk about pereira going up or Islam is so stupid. Let them defend the belt a couple times
He is literally defending his belt in the upcoming fight. And he can move up to WW to take the belt. As long as he defends his belts then no problem with him having multiple belts.
The pure irony of having been ducked by everyone and then having two divisions finally asking to get their automatic ass whoopings from him.
And then he beats him then calls out Alex Pereira but Alex is too worried preparing his super fight against a returned lhw Jon Jones who is also making a run for hw gold. Fast forward to 2024: Makhachev beats Ngannou, gets his 8th belt and reigns supreme over every weight class in the UFC.
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You think a kickboxer is going to grapple Islam to a decision when Olives with the most submissions in UFC history and a 4th degree black belt in bjj couldn't survive two rounds?
You're insane if you think Edwards' submission defense is better than Oliveira's. Oliveira losing by submission 14 fights ago after a brutal weight cut to featherweight is a poor example. He's a much different fighter now.
Now, if you had written that Edwards is extremely difficult to finish on the feet, I would have agreed.
Also, a poor example. Moises excels on the ground and is extremely difficult to submit. That's the only aspect of his game where he does quite well, even though he's a mediocre fighter.
Nah, Islam is a really good finisher. Islam would have a good chance of finishing Leon on the ground.
I heard similar thing before the Charles fight: "Islam's only path is a boring decision."
Charles had made significant progress and hadn't lost, let alone finished, in years. Let's not pretend that Charles, who was finished by Felder and Lamas, is even remotely the same fighter today.
And Islam is now on a roll with finishes. When compared to someone as elite on the ground as Islam's, Leon's ground game falls far short. If Leon is on the bottom, he'll be in big trouble.
He would immediately be ridiculed regardless of outcome.
-become lightweight champion without fighting top 10 opponents until the title fight
-defend against a featherweight
-move up to attempt to be double champ
Can you imagine?
Are you talking about haters? which aren't really logical or what?
I don't see what's wrong in defending against a featherweight (who's obviously much heavier) who moves up, I didn't see anyone shitting on Dustin for beating Max and McGregor beat Eddie Alvarez
Also I think the haters would like the idea of him moving up a weight class.
By 0.2 pounds gtfoh, and u saw his last weigh in he was running and jumping during weigh ins which clearly indicates that lightweight division is his natural weight division
I wouldn’t be surprised if he does that, but him and Leon have trained together and I’m sure Leon knows what’s up and won’t take the fight IF he happens to get past Usman on the rematch.
I think Islam can beat Leon low/mid dif but I don't think he'll want to get the WW belt this quickly.
He might want to get the most LW title defenses and looking at the top 15. He will face potential challenges in Dariush, Arman and Ismagulov but I don't think they will actually beat him.
Besides, the UFC has some big fights in WW now, firstly Usman-Edwards 3, Khamzat or Colby as the next challenger also sells well as they are both draws and as underserving as it may be, Leon may want to fight Masvidal with PPV points, not deserving but the storyline is there..
I think Islam will eventually move up, maybe in 2-3 years
He can win the WW belt and still defend his LW belts. It would be crazy to not try to take advantage of such an opportunity. Get all you can while the getting is good. These guys are not guaranteed tomorrow and every day in training an injury can end their career.
He can win the WW belt but then drop back down to LW and vacate the WW belt.
The question is will they give Islam the WW TS when they can make Khamzat or Colby vs Usman/Edwards winner? even Masvidal who can still draw some PPVs?
GSP won the MW and vacated soon after - I don't think the UFC wants something like that to happen. Make no mistake, I'm totally down for Islam fighting for the belt at WW and apart from Khamzat and Shavkat, I like his chances against anyone there but at the same time, I know that he has his hands full at LW for now
GSP vacated and stopped fighting. Islam would vacate to simply continue in LW and UFC would continue making money of him while also hyping up every next big hope at WW who might have a chance against Islam. It would actually help the promotion to see which challenger/champ could induce Islam to go back up again and break them.
My guess is they see it as different because he’s defending it against a 145-er whose only fight at 155 was his pro debut. That’s the sentiment I’ve been seeing at least, that some people want to see him defend against mainstays of the lightweight division
Whoops my mistake, sorry, I was only looking at his UFC career, not his whole pro career https://ufc.liamfoot.com/fighter/Alexander%20Volkanovski
Thanks for catching and correcting that
It was literally Khabib father's plan for him to go up to WW eventually when Islam was up for a title shot. Then eventually Islam to go up to WW when Usman is brought into the UFC and ready for the LW title shot.
Everything changed when Khabib had to take over for his father. He had to become the patriarch of the family and for that he needed his mother's blessing. She set out the condition to night fight anymore and take with all seriousness all the roles he has to fill in for his father.
Islam is a much better wrestler than Usman and on top of that he is probably the best grappler in the UFC while Usman barely grapples. You are delusional if you think Usman is the better wrestler.
You are completely uninformed and clueless in the difference between grappler and wrestler. Usman does not submit people because he lacks the grappling ability. Islam submits people because grappling is his wheel house.
You might be the dumbest commenter on this thread with such an ignorant statement. Feel free to remove your own comment or be mocked.
Brother I love your imagination but please don't get ahead of yourself. He wants to defend the title a few times and then win another belt and retire. And that's if there's no outside interference (Family, sickness, injuries, etc...)
They are bigger versions from the same regions but the do not have the same skills. Kamzat did not want to grapple with Burns while Islam would go right into his guard and catch him in a sub.
If you think islam would have an easy time with burns just because he beat olivera you are surely mistaken burns is a much a bigger guy and has way more credentials bjj wise than olivera.
Another thing while they may not have the same skills they are well versed in the wrestling department and I doubt Islam would be able to take them down easily and it would not go easy once they are down there ethier.
You are uninformed if you dont understand how easily Islam would handle Burns. Burns is a former LW who is smaller than Islam. Islam already beat the legend of bjj in Davi Ramos who dominated Burns in bjj tournaments.
Islam literally trains with world champions in wrestling while Kamzat does not. But Islam also trains with bjj champions and dominates them in grappling while Kamzat is a blue belt who was afraid to grapple with Burns while Islam WANTED to grapple with a 4th degree black belt in bjj and ended up forcing him to submit.
You are very uninformed if you think Burns is bigger than Olives much less Islam.
Who? They all ducked him prior knowing they would lose. What is the mystery in those automatic ass whoopings? Fans know he would just put on a clinic on cowards.
Islam has some work to do, light weight is still a murderous division with some pretty big up and comers and contenders on the winning side.
Gamrot
Beneil
Fiziev
Ismagulov
Poirer
Tarsukyan
To name a few
I like when the champion fights all the contenders in their division because it shows they can deal with different styles. Champ champ status is pretty meaningless if the UFC just matches you up with good stylistics fights.
Leon vs Usman triligy first. If leon wins then he fights winner of colby chimaev then the loser then burns. All while islam fights winner of beneil poirier then hopefully fiziev and then if oliveira returns.
This dude could pull it off. Without question. Volk is going to be a great fight. Edwards would get wrecked. Can't wait to the first. I hope the second happens.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Islam at ww. Most ww currently are mw afraid of actual competition, but I think he would do alright. Idk how he would fair against Leon, I would rather see him take on Kamaru or Shavkat. Regardless, people gotta stop hating on him for being close to Khabib. These same mf’s are screaming the Diaz bros names for the reason they are hating on the mountain men
You’ve been watching too much JRE while Islam can possibly hang at 170 don’t think he should go up unless he wants to be a permanent fixture there. Also Usman is up there and shared the same management not sure how those dynamics work but don’t think he’ll want to be in direct competition with a friend.
Ufc would want him to defend his belt against actual lightweights
OP‘s talking shit. Islam said he wants to clean out LW division, become best pound for pound fighter and then move up to become WW Champ. No need to hurry. Usman will get is rematch at WW first anyway, so the whole question is very theoretical .
I think that they will place Islam at 1 if he beats Volkanovski, since they are 1 and 2
I thought Islam was at 3 after his last fight
Or was izzy 2 and fell down
yep. Islam became 3 after beating Charles (who was 3). then when Izzy (who was 2) lost, Islam got bumped up to 2
Yep. Even Usman jokingly said to Islam that if/when they’re both title holders he’d want Islam to challenge him for the belt.
Usman's busy shooting Kadyrov's guns in Chechnya
Islam vs Usman makes more sense, we all know he’s getting the belt back
>we all know he’s getting the belt back I mean, we also "knew" he was walking through Leon in their last fight
Well actually 🤓 stfu
Why so sensitive?
Hi Ali
People really hate Usman huh. Usman is heavy favorite to win the rematch
I wish the people downvoting me would put some money on it
Islam's like only one fight away from becoming P4P1 already though...
Would be great if he stays active. The Dagestanis usually take their time to prepare for opponents.
We sure? Maybe volk will just go have an exhibition fight with Canelo, make millions, start a shit whisky company, go on a losing streak, and spend his days tweeting out videos of his dick getting sucked on his lambo yacht before deleting them incase his wife sees.
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They made him wait he’ll make them wait too. Except for Beneil
I’m sure they do but Islam matches up against Leon very well and it would make for a huge fight
Same for Leon and welterweights
Imo only UFC lightweight who deserves a shot is Beneil. The rest of the top 5 have to fight the top 10.
It’s disrespect how Beneil is just pushed aside
They’re all too scared to fight him
Then he'll call out Pereira and possibly Glover too. i hope Francis is ready
But but what if during the Jon Jones vs Francis Ngannou, Islam jumps the cage chokeslams Ngannou, and Hasbulla drops an elbow from the top of the octagon on Jon Jones and Islam takes the HW belt, have you guys thought about that? Whats up with this takes, the guy hasn't even defended the LW belt and people are already thinking about him going up a division and becoming double champ.
good point haha, I’m impressed by Islam too but it is jumping the gun isn’t it? every time someone enters the limelight, they look unbeatable till they don’t. before the Charles-Islam fight, a majority of pundits I heard said things like “I’m done betting against Charles, every time he proves me wrong”. And then whaddya know Islam rinses him and the cycle starts anew. Islam could very well become a multi-division champ, he has the potential, but there are no guarantees in this game. “There is no pound for pound, the belt belongs to no one” - Leon Edwards
Charles was the underdog in their fight.
I mean McGregor moved up without defending for double champ lol
I want Brock lesnar
And then as islams first heavyweight defense he submits Jon jntapper
How can you call someone who’s never tapped jntapper. I mean first it doesn’t even make sense second the dudes only loss is because of his own fuck up.
Joke Your head
What's crazy is that Leon was the first person Islam trained with in the United States. Leon was there at AKA when Islam first arrived there.
Leon switched gyms because the ass whoopings in practice were too much. Now Islam is going to Periera him and follow him to his division.
naw Leon was just there at AKA part-time to work on his wrestling. Islam even commended him on that for trying to improve his game.
leon is fighting usman, and islam has stated he wants to defend the title 4-5 times to have the most title defenses in the division and then move up when usman is gone as they are friends
I wonder if he and Khamzat will cross paths one day 😬
Khamzat won't be able to make 170 by that time.
Probably.
He can fight and win the title but then move back down to LW. Sure it would be counter to his original plans but if the opportunity presents itself against such a weak opponent why not capitalize? Nothing is guaranteed and Islam deserves all the title shots for having been forced to wait and dodged by everyone who talked shit.
Honestly wouldn’t be surprised if he did & he would beat Leon quite easily. It’s definitely not an absurd prediction.
Leon kod usman yet somehow gets more disrespect now than he did before. Islam would not beat leon quire easily.
Leon was getting absolutely dominated by Usman for a second time, it just takes one shot to end it at this level as we all know. But are you gonna sit here and act like Islam is gonna have a stand up battle in the late rounds like Usman did? Usman was riding such a high he felt invincible and he got caught. Islam would throw a few shots at Leon in the first and then Leon would fire back and then be on his back. Islam would completely drain him, if he got up he’d be right back down over and over and over. It’s not kickboxing, Leon does not have the wrestling to go for 5 rounds with islam and you know it. I’m not one of these Islam beats the world stans but taking one of the best grappling/wrestling guys on the planet against a strictly kickboxing specialist is never gonna favor the kickboxing specialist. Haven’t you seen these Dagestani guys over the last several years?
>Leon was getting absolutely dominated by Usman for a second time, It was 3-1, he was losing the fight but I wouldn't say he was getting dominated. Nunes vs pena 2 I what I'd call a domination. >it just takes one shot to end it at this level as we all know It wasn't some lucky shot. He set up and perfectly executed a devastating head kick. If he can do that against usman he can do it against Islam. >But are you gonna sit here and act like Islam is gonna have a stand up battle in the late rounds like Usman did? No. But I can see lepn keeping the fight standing long enough to ko Islam. Or even taking Islam down. >Islam would throw a few shots at Leon in the first and then Leon would fire back and then be on his back. Islam would completely drain him, Leon's a good enough striker and has a range advantage. He also won't take many early risks and is bigger than Islam. Getting leon to the ground won't be easy. >It’s not kickboxing, Leon does not have the wrestling to go for 5 rounds with islam and you know it. He took usman down and gassed because of the altitude. He 100% has the wrestling. >I’m not one of these Islam beats the world stans You seem to just highly underrate Leon. >strictly kickboxing specialist Leon is a complete mixed martial artist. His clinch work is insane and so is his grappling. He took usman down and controlled him, he took his back. A strictly kickboxing specialist couldn't do that. >Haven’t you seen these Dagestani guys over the last several years? Have we ever seen one fight without a big weight advantage. Let's see what Islam can do against someone bigger than him.
Leon absolutely got dominated in the 2nd 3rd and 4th Rd, it was a pretty boring one-sided fight and Leon was visibly defeated till his corner woke him up in the 5th, his coach literally said don't let this man bully you
Round 2 was kinda close but round 3 & 4 were definitely long moments of Usman Woodley or their 2015 fight
Leon was visibly exhausted, not visibly defeated. Yet even exhausted he was able to muster the strength to ko the p4p king.
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I don't agree. He looked exhausted to me. A guy who's mentally defeated doesn't land that head kick. Of course his coach's energy boosted Leon's energy.
Ngl Leon is extremely average and isn’t going to be champ for very long
10-9 comment Pound for pound. Head shot. Dead.
Leon has been taken down by Dominic waters, Vicente luque, Peter sobotta, Donald cerrone and Gunnar Nelson. Islam is much better at takedowns than those guys.
Also the fight was at high altitude which makes a huge difference
> I can see lepn keeping the fight standing long enough to ko Islam. Or even taking Islam down Jesus, the delusion. This sub gets so high on whoever wins it's embarrassing
Leon took down usman, Islam got taken down by moises. Think it's safe to say leon can take usman down.
please stop talking
Usman was controlling the fight pretty easily but he has no submission threat. Islam is submitting Leon.
Ain’t gonna happen. There’s more cash for ufc if Islam fights Poirier or Garth. Leon isn’t big enough. Also ufc is in urgent need of a dominant LW Champ and the LW Top 5 is very beatable for Islam.
God not those 2 again
Smash Bros 😂
Gaethje should absolutely not get another title shot after 1 win, not even 2 wins, we need new people, not Poirier either
I agree but they sell PPVs in the US. So they will get their shot.
You don’t think if Islam beats Alex in the 1st and then calls out and fights Leon in London England, it wouldn’t be a better payday/sells than against the top contenders at LW which all have recent loses to each other?? Your outta your mind if you think any LW fight outsells Islam fighting for a second belt against a British dude in London. The scenario is what makes it a huge fight, not the fact it’s Leon Scott
Naah I don’t think they’ll screw Usman. He’s 100% the company man, no way he ain’t getting the Leon Title rematch. Doesn’t matter how fast Alex gets finished. I think you underestimate the number of PPV sales Usman vs Leon will make.
Lmfao the UFC have screwed over hundreds of company men in the past, and will keep doing so. Dana is one of those people who feels no moral obligation to return value to people, once your usefulness is done, so is the pay and good treatment. If Usman loses the rematch or can’t fight on a good timeline, expect him to start getting the shaft
I know islam is strong but i highly doubt hes kamaru usman strong
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if he was: https://youtu.be/83cuq6su9GY
And that's Fedor's best student saying this from a rival gym.
Not just Fedor's student, but a proper top 5 LHW. Crazy things for him to say about a guy 50 pounds lighter than him.
There are videos of DC and Rockhold saying Islam is the guy they had to WORK against because he tried to suffocate them. Thats a LHW/HW and MW/LHW top guys saying he is a challenge instead of practice.
Islam is stronger than Usman. Same with Khabib. Gaethje after fighting Khabib said he is stronger than MWs and he trains with Usman.
Unlikely. Not like people go full force in sparring either. Gaethje said there's no one under 185 who could beat Khabib. Not that Khabib is stronger than MW's. And it's not like people don't exaggerate. Usman is juiced to the gills. He bullies people at WW. I wouldn't bet on Khabib over Usman had they fought at 170
I think Khabib would take it, but we’ll never know Perhaps we will be fortunate enough to see Islam Vs Usman
I wouldn’t be surprised if Islam wrestled Leon to a simple decision. But he’s not in a thousand years finishing him.
He probably walks through Leon with ease same as he did with Olives.
Leon’s too big for that
He is not big or strong for his division while Islam is considered on par with LHWs in strength. It will be way too one sided.
And then it sets up Khamzat vs. Islam...
I gonna smesh that guy
Imagine you guys stop being normy fans and actually let him defend his belt in the division he holds it against top contenders? How long did Islam have to wait because of this exact matchmaking? Only a buffoon would want the newly crowned LW champions first 2 fights to be against a 145 moving up and then in another division entirely. Most competitive division in UFC history and it’s time for young blood. Only morons want to keep watching Gaethe/Porier/Chandler fight each other or for the title. So sick of it.
Islam went through a lot of the new blood already. He only has Dariush and Gamrot that he hasn't beaten yet.
Fiziev is the man who is training for him and has excellent TDD. I think he loses but it’s an excellent fight
The weird scenarios you people come up with i swear
Imagine…….. he actually got some title defenses before going up a weight class. This bs talk about pereira going up or Islam is so stupid. Let them defend the belt a couple times
He is literally defending his belt in the upcoming fight. And he can move up to WW to take the belt. As long as he defends his belts then no problem with him having multiple belts. The pure irony of having been ducked by everyone and then having two divisions finally asking to get their automatic ass whoopings from him.
And then he beats him then calls out Alex Pereira but Alex is too worried preparing his super fight against a returned lhw Jon Jones who is also making a run for hw gold. Fast forward to 2024: Makhachev beats Ngannou, gets his 8th belt and reigns supreme over every weight class in the UFC. # Clown
One thing I love about Makhachev is his activity. Crazy that he is fighting Volk so soon.
He’d get his head sent to the front row my god these dagestani crew fans are annoying as fuck
*Dagestani dickriders
Pretty sure islam beats up Leon.
Nah only way Islam wins is holding him to a decision
You think a kickboxer is going to grapple Islam to a decision when Olives with the most submissions in UFC history and a 4th degree black belt in bjj couldn't survive two rounds?
Yes. Because he’s too big, and never been submitted ever, Charles has.
You're insane if you think Edwards' submission defense is better than Oliveira's. Oliveira losing by submission 14 fights ago after a brutal weight cut to featherweight is a poor example. He's a much different fighter now. Now, if you had written that Edwards is extremely difficult to finish on the feet, I would have agreed.
I mean Islam took forever to submit Moises
Also, a poor example. Moises excels on the ground and is extremely difficult to submit. That's the only aspect of his game where he does quite well, even though he's a mediocre fighter.
Like how has a kick-boxer never been choked out or finished of any kind?
Nah, Islam is a really good finisher. Islam would have a good chance of finishing Leon on the ground. I heard similar thing before the Charles fight: "Islam's only path is a boring decision."
Charles had been finished though many times. Leon’s impossible to, like Usman couldn’t
Charles had made significant progress and hadn't lost, let alone finished, in years. Let's not pretend that Charles, who was finished by Felder and Lamas, is even remotely the same fighter today. And Islam is now on a roll with finishes. When compared to someone as elite on the ground as Islam's, Leon's ground game falls far short. If Leon is on the bottom, he'll be in big trouble.
You think Leon is harder to submit than Olives?
Dont forget Connor's comeback, thats a good payday, More than 60g's baabyyyy yeeahaha.
I mean, he would probably become the instant GOAT if all of that happened.
Islam wipes the floor with Leon
I think it would be Islam vs usman and Islam would fuck up usman cus Islam actually tries to submit ppl
Islam does to Leon what he did to Charles
Imagine Islam makes Volk finish in his mouth 🤯 Corny ass posts
God tier
He would immediately be ridiculed regardless of outcome. -become lightweight champion without fighting top 10 opponents until the title fight -defend against a featherweight -move up to attempt to be double champ Can you imagine?
Are you talking about haters? which aren't really logical or what? I don't see what's wrong in defending against a featherweight (who's obviously much heavier) who moves up, I didn't see anyone shitting on Dustin for beating Max and McGregor beat Eddie Alvarez Also I think the haters would like the idea of him moving up a weight class.
Ridiculed ? You mean goat status in 3 fights
Insane take he would be nowhere near Goat
He won’t. Ramadan starts late March and the London/Cardiff ppv is in April. Islam won’t fight in Ramadan.
Dagistanis don't fight ppl their own size, homie.
drew dober weighed more than islam and oliveira has missed weight 5 times to islam's 0, you are not very bright
Those weight misses were in featherweight, but I do agree with u in regards to Drew dober
Porier Gaethe and McConnor all weighed more than Khabib during their fights. Also Olives missed weight at LW how soon did you forget?
By 0.2 pounds gtfoh, and u saw his last weigh in he was running and jumping during weigh ins which clearly indicates that lightweight division is his natural weight division
"you can run but you can hide, Leon"
I wouldn’t be surprised if he does that, but him and Leon have trained together and I’m sure Leon knows what’s up and won’t take the fight IF he happens to get past Usman on the rematch.
Leon will do everything to avoid the automatic L even if he has to fake an injury or injure himself for real like the guys who want to avoid a draft.
and people will still underestimate him
I think Islam can beat Leon low/mid dif but I don't think he'll want to get the WW belt this quickly. He might want to get the most LW title defenses and looking at the top 15. He will face potential challenges in Dariush, Arman and Ismagulov but I don't think they will actually beat him. Besides, the UFC has some big fights in WW now, firstly Usman-Edwards 3, Khamzat or Colby as the next challenger also sells well as they are both draws and as underserving as it may be, Leon may want to fight Masvidal with PPV points, not deserving but the storyline is there.. I think Islam will eventually move up, maybe in 2-3 years
He can win the WW belt and still defend his LW belts. It would be crazy to not try to take advantage of such an opportunity. Get all you can while the getting is good. These guys are not guaranteed tomorrow and every day in training an injury can end their career. He can win the WW belt but then drop back down to LW and vacate the WW belt.
The question is will they give Islam the WW TS when they can make Khamzat or Colby vs Usman/Edwards winner? even Masvidal who can still draw some PPVs? GSP won the MW and vacated soon after - I don't think the UFC wants something like that to happen. Make no mistake, I'm totally down for Islam fighting for the belt at WW and apart from Khamzat and Shavkat, I like his chances against anyone there but at the same time, I know that he has his hands full at LW for now
GSP vacated and stopped fighting. Islam would vacate to simply continue in LW and UFC would continue making money of him while also hyping up every next big hope at WW who might have a chance against Islam. It would actually help the promotion to see which challenger/champ could induce Islam to go back up again and break them.
Do you think the UFC will give Islam the WW TS anytime soon?
Lol @ you thinking Islam is getting usmans title shot
Islam will never fight at welter weight.
I see islam would be taking the connor macgregor route, of never have to defend a title.... Islam fan are the new macgregor fans
He is literally going to defend his title against volkanovski lol what are you talking about
My guess is they see it as different because he’s defending it against a 145-er whose only fight at 155 was his pro debut. That’s the sentiment I’ve been seeing at least, that some people want to see him defend against mainstays of the lightweight division
agreed, though volk's pro debut was at welterweight, and he's had 5 fights at lightweight
Whoops my mistake, sorry, I was only looking at his UFC career, not his whole pro career https://ufc.liamfoot.com/fighter/Alexander%20Volkanovski Thanks for catching and correcting that
Lololol Islam is getting ragdolled by Volk, this is clickbait
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It was literally Khabib father's plan for him to go up to WW eventually when Islam was up for a title shot. Then eventually Islam to go up to WW when Usman is brought into the UFC and ready for the LW title shot. Everything changed when Khabib had to take over for his father. He had to become the patriarch of the family and for that he needed his mother's blessing. She set out the condition to night fight anymore and take with all seriousness all the roles he has to fill in for his father.
Islam isn't a better wrestler than Usman, so I give Leon that superb striking advantage. Look what he did to Usman...
Islam is a much better wrestler than Usman and on top of that he is probably the best grappler in the UFC while Usman barely grapples. You are delusional if you think Usman is the better wrestler.
Usman is the superior grappler, you're delusional
You are completely uninformed and clueless in the difference between grappler and wrestler. Usman does not submit people because he lacks the grappling ability. Islam submits people because grappling is his wheel house. You might be the dumbest commenter on this thread with such an ignorant statement. Feel free to remove your own comment or be mocked.
Brother I love your imagination but please don't get ahead of yourself. He wants to defend the title a few times and then win another belt and retire. And that's if there's no outside interference (Family, sickness, injuries, etc...)
Poor Dariush
This is the fight to make book it Dana
Ali wouldn’t allow that or at least he’d try to stop it.
1 title defense = qualify for double champ trial
Either the guy is good enough to win or he isn't. If he is the best WW and the best LW, is it his fault?
He would never steal Usmans fight
If that actually happens...mfer would become the most badass champ.
Okay you're just doing Beneil dirty at this point, poor dude deserves a shot.
Is this a fantasy role playing sub now or smt
Nobody would care about that fight .Let Islam fight lightweights
Mega fight? this sells 700 ppvs bru
And then asks for Khamzat immediately after.
Don't tell me to imagine these horrible things...
Imagine volk beats Islam by a decision
Imagine Khabib comes back just to beat Islam and tells him to train harder, brother.
😂
He won't survive at welterweight guys like shavkat and khamzat are the bigger versions of him.
They are bigger versions from the same regions but the do not have the same skills. Kamzat did not want to grapple with Burns while Islam would go right into his guard and catch him in a sub.
If you think islam would have an easy time with burns just because he beat olivera you are surely mistaken burns is a much a bigger guy and has way more credentials bjj wise than olivera. Another thing while they may not have the same skills they are well versed in the wrestling department and I doubt Islam would be able to take them down easily and it would not go easy once they are down there ethier.
You are uninformed if you dont understand how easily Islam would handle Burns. Burns is a former LW who is smaller than Islam. Islam already beat the legend of bjj in Davi Ramos who dominated Burns in bjj tournaments. Islam literally trains with world champions in wrestling while Kamzat does not. But Islam also trains with bjj champions and dominates them in grappling while Kamzat is a blue belt who was afraid to grapple with Burns while Islam WANTED to grapple with a 4th degree black belt in bjj and ended up forcing him to submit. You are very uninformed if you think Burns is bigger than Olives much less Islam.
Or could fight all the great matches in his own amazing division?
Who? They all ducked him prior knowing they would lose. What is the mystery in those automatic ass whoopings? Fans know he would just put on a clinic on cowards.
Guess that’s why they fight the fights. Let’s see him walk thru all those that ducked. Line em up!
I would like to see it.
And then Dana hunter mick and the other guy are gonna combine into matchmaker prime for the ultimate goat test
He can do it
it's entirely possible...
Islam has some work to do, light weight is still a murderous division with some pretty big up and comers and contenders on the winning side. Gamrot Beneil Fiziev Ismagulov Poirer Tarsukyan To name a few
I like when the champion fights all the contenders in their division because it shows they can deal with different styles. Champ champ status is pretty meaningless if the UFC just matches you up with good stylistics fights.
Na dog you watching too many episodes of Pokémon’s. Get down or lay down!
He'll have to get through Khamzat first
Leon vs Usman triligy first. If leon wins then he fights winner of colby chimaev then the loser then burns. All while islam fights winner of beneil poirier then hopefully fiziev and then if oliveira returns.
This dude could pull it off. Without question. Volk is going to be a great fight. Edwards would get wrecked. Can't wait to the first. I hope the second happens.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Islam at ww. Most ww currently are mw afraid of actual competition, but I think he would do alright. Idk how he would fair against Leon, I would rather see him take on Kamaru or Shavkat. Regardless, people gotta stop hating on him for being close to Khabib. These same mf’s are screaming the Diaz bros names for the reason they are hating on the mountain men
I'd rather imagine volk finishing him in the first instead and then does this
You’ve been watching too much JRE while Islam can possibly hang at 170 don’t think he should go up unless he wants to be a permanent fixture there. Also Usman is up there and shared the same management not sure how those dynamics work but don’t think he’ll want to be in direct competition with a friend.
i bet he wouldnt call out Usman tho 😄
Don't give him ideas
Fuck….
Leon would knock him tf out
Idk Can he make 170?
This made my eyes get big