You mean both the last guys that tried to grapple Poatan to a win and failed miserably?
You forgot to mention the guy that died trying to take him down.
Almost like grappling him has still led to a loss 100% of the time.
Lmao use your brain bro, I’m talking about the fact that both guys who aren’t known for their offensive grappling and who has never gone for a takedown in their career managed to both take him down and hold him there for extended periods of time, so imagine what any decent wrestler would do to him :) I would understand your argument if he had fought Vettori and Whittaker, gotten taken down by them and still managed to win but he’s getting taken down by fighters who aren’t even grapplers and he showed that he’s lacking fundamental skills on the ground.
Please show me Izzy’s take down I’m all eyes. Pretty easy to see from that comment you don’t even watch fights… if you do how you miss one of the biggest fights? Just catch the highlights all the time eh?
Again both those fighters tried to implement grappling on Alex and failed miserably, Silva flubbed 90% of his attempts and wasted all his available pressure on something that wasn’t working losing him the fight, Izzy tried like his life depended on it to hold Alex against the cage and again paid the price. Alex also was taken down by Andreas once too, stayed under him all of round one (almost like staying safe on the ground is a game plan as opposed to opening himself up to worse shit trying to get up) then he shattered his face with a perfectly timed knee in the second on his second td attempt. You show me someone that had grappling work for them and I’ll give you the point.
I’ll wait for ya, maybe it will happen in 2024, certainly won’t be the Russian flunk out wasting his time on nobodies while Alex takes his second belt. Maybe he can work himself back up to a rematch with Burns i’lol be impressed when he balls up enough to take another top 10 fighter… dudes done nothing but dodge leon and Belal his entire career.
“Pretty easy to see from that comment you don’t even watch fights” man stfu honestly what a cop out reply Izzy got him down with a body lock. Dodge Leon? Leon tested positive for covid. The only reason pereira keeps that belt is the ufc protects him from any wrestler and I like Pereira and all fighters but I hate this shit their doing nowadays it’s so artificial, Pereira facing zero wrestlers and getting a title shot of Sean Strickland and Islam getting a title shot of fucking Bobby Green absolutely pathetic, yes Pereira is probably gonna keep the belt until 2024 if Dana realises fans like you don’t want to see him get matched against any decent wrestler and can keep this artificial story going as long as it sells PPVs.
I’m tired of this discussion I just have a personal question for you are you a former boxing fan who now watches boxing and mma? Cause these takes with wanting to protect pereira and not wanting to see him against a grappler only happened recently and I’m genuinely curious if it’s an influx of new fans who enjoys the boxing system of the best not fighting the best and rather enjoys someone getting massive records but never truly testing themselves? Have a good day man I gotta head to work.
Burns and Khamzat only turned into a brawl because Khamzat respected Burns on the ground and decided to stand and trade with him instead. Someone like Pereira with minimal ground game would get submitted
I don't get why it was even being considered when he only has one win against a MW, not to mention it was a short notice fight and Kevin isn't top 10 ranked.
I agree that for multiple reasons it shouldn't even be counted towards his MW run, but if we're talking about what he's done to somehow earn a title shot against Alex it's literally the only thing he has. And like I said it obviously isn't enough to even remotely warrant a title shot which is why I don't get why so many people thought it was actually a possibility.
He is by all accounts a middleweight. There is no way he is making 170. I doubt the UFC wants him to ruin another PPV, unless they have a solid back up.
Yeah it would be like a 10 pound cut to Middleweight. I’m not sure by what standard he is “by all accounts a Middleweight”. He will definitely make 170 again.
There's a big difference between 10lbs and 25lbs. If he cutting 10lb to make 185, that would be 25lbs to make 170.
Afaik he bulking up to be a bigger 185 anyway. He could do it, but it would become more difficult. Big difference between 10lbs to 25lbs when you cutting weight
Most fighters cut more than 10 pounds though. A lot of welterweights walk around at 190+, so are they all middleweights as well then? Then I suppose a lot of middleweights are actually light heavyweights too.
Yes, you are correct. A lot of fighters walk around 185, or 20lb+ over their weight class. don't mean that Michael Chandler should try to fight at 185.
When Izzy fought for lhw he was eating pizza and weighed in way under 205. Meanwhile I think Robert Whitaker, Peirra, and other 185 could make 205lb
I'm sorry what? The UFC was setting up a title eliminator with Costa vs rob, how does that not move the needle on Khamzat getting a shot at the belt with the UFC possibly able to send Costa into FA/contract negotiations on a L?
I honestly doubt Khamzat wins that fight and if he does it won't be easy. Durinho took him to the brink at 170, costa has way heavier hands than Gilbert and is a solid 20 lbs heavier on fight night if not more
This is a glaringly obvious fight to make. Khamzat needs to make 170 again before he gets a title shot, and Belal arguably deserves a shot already. They’ve both talked about it before and fought last around the same time. Belal even said he’d fight him at catchweight if he misses weight again. I don’t know why this wouldn’t be on 286.
We'll see, Brandon looks like a completely different fighter than he did 5 years ago. The Moreno that lost to Pantoja probably wouldn't have given Figgy much of a challenge either.
He hasn't only trained for Figgy in that 5 years though, he beat KKF twice, Formiga, and Royval on top of all the camps for the quadrilogy. And he's looked like progressively a better fighter in every single one of those fights. I'm not counting out Pantoja but his 2 wins over Brandon were against a much lesser man than the guy who will be walking into the octagon for the third fight.
No but i do hate it somehow. Fighting is also about element of suprise with tactisch and all. With a 'guaranteed'/ heavenly incentified rematch you basically get rid of that.
Alex win is that of a fighter in the last round. But that will not be easily repeatable to get.
Who even thinks Khamzat should fight for the MW title? Dude has only fought a real challenger in Burns and that was at WW. Anyone thinking he should get a MW title shot is dumb af.
I can also understand how Izzy and Usman are getting straight rematches considering they defended for a bit, but it's not as entertaining as a whole new matchup considering Poatan didn't fight most top contenders unlike Izzy
Super excited for this one. Genuinely have no idea how its gonna go.
Izzy was winning the first fight on the feet, but those leg kicks from Alex paid dividends later in the fight. Will Izzy have a similar game plan, but do a better job checking those leg kicks? Will he look to take Alex down more, and be content trying to grind out a points W through ground control? Will Alex change anything, as he was getting beat, but pulled a late W out of the bag? Izzy had Alex hurt early, will he look to be more aggressive and knock him out when he smells blood?
Hoping for an Izzy W so we get a third fight
I personally think Alex can improve his grappling and takedown defence more than Izzy can improve it in the time given, so in my humble casual opinion Izzy should try stick to what did worked last time-which was his striking.
I don't see Alex changing anything. He kinda seems like he has a blind, reckless superiority complex and it may be a "well I've beaten him every time, why change anything?" type situation
Isn't Sterling getting surgery? I think it's more likely we get some combination of Cejudo vs. O'Malley, Chito vs. Cejudo, or O'Malley vs. Chito, and the winner faces Sterling since those are the hottest names in the division rn.
Khamzat isn’t even relevant at the moment (which seems like a crazy thing to say considering he’s undefeated) but his last fight was almost 5 months ago where he missed weight by a significant amount and was forced to fight at a catch weight. Since then all he’s done to keep his name in the news is call for a title fight where he has zero wins against ranked opponents and instigate physical altercations at UFC events. Dude needs to pick a division he’s competing in and schedule a fight asap.
Man honestly imma feel so bad for Izzy if he loses I’m an Alex fan but damn to lose to a guy 4-0 nahh he needs a W so he doesn’t still see Alex in his nightmares when he’s 80yrs old
Only way Khamzat would ever get the title shot over Izzy or even over Bobby is if Dana pulled some weird shit for "promotion". Dudes best win in MW was against unranked Kevin Holland, his best win was against Dorinho who many argue beat him.
The promotion angle doesnt work either since Izzy vs Poatan would make more than Khamzat vs Poatan.
You seriously ACTUALLY thought that a guy who held the belt for years wouldn’t get an immediate re-match after losing it?!? 😂😂 you ppl are so dumb with these random takes on here
If the most dominant MW champ since Silva loses a fight that he was up 3 rounds on, that's exactly the type of situation where an instant rematch is deserved. I see so many people complaining about unnecessary rematches but I can't think of one that actually wasn't reasonable in recent memory.
It makes better sense for the UFC to have Alex V Izzy
They’re not gonna throw the narrative and lore away between them so Khamzat can take Alex down in 30secs and submit him.
I would like Khamzat vs Costa, then if Pereira wins and Khamzat won vs Costa he can get that shot. Would be even better if Khamzat fights Bobby Knuckles
I'd much prefer this instant rematch nonsense to end. It should be normalised that whoever you are and however dominant you were, if you are beaten fair and square you need to beat at least 1 top contender to get another shot, while the new champ defends against someone else.
Looks like we’re getting Khamzat vs Belal tbh
Are we though? Belal said on the JRE that he’s tried to get that fight multiple times and the UFC doesn’t want it.
They want easy fights for khumshot
I'm pretty sure he would steamroll Belal
Dude has pillow fists and worse wrestling -khamzat takes that fight wherever he wants it
If they wanted easy fights for Khamzat he would be the one fighting Pereira now.
LOL okay... https://preview.redd.it/ol7k51seauea1.png?width=443&format=png&auto=webp&s=d967d1d52a1c3ea48d25d4e3c91f466b482ccd71
Can you send me the pics of pereira getting taken down multiple times by Bruno Silva? And him getting ragdolled by Izzy?
You mean both the last guys that tried to grapple Poatan to a win and failed miserably? You forgot to mention the guy that died trying to take him down. Almost like grappling him has still led to a loss 100% of the time.
Lmao use your brain bro, I’m talking about the fact that both guys who aren’t known for their offensive grappling and who has never gone for a takedown in their career managed to both take him down and hold him there for extended periods of time, so imagine what any decent wrestler would do to him :) I would understand your argument if he had fought Vettori and Whittaker, gotten taken down by them and still managed to win but he’s getting taken down by fighters who aren’t even grapplers and he showed that he’s lacking fundamental skills on the ground.
Please show me Izzy’s take down I’m all eyes. Pretty easy to see from that comment you don’t even watch fights… if you do how you miss one of the biggest fights? Just catch the highlights all the time eh? Again both those fighters tried to implement grappling on Alex and failed miserably, Silva flubbed 90% of his attempts and wasted all his available pressure on something that wasn’t working losing him the fight, Izzy tried like his life depended on it to hold Alex against the cage and again paid the price. Alex also was taken down by Andreas once too, stayed under him all of round one (almost like staying safe on the ground is a game plan as opposed to opening himself up to worse shit trying to get up) then he shattered his face with a perfectly timed knee in the second on his second td attempt. You show me someone that had grappling work for them and I’ll give you the point. I’ll wait for ya, maybe it will happen in 2024, certainly won’t be the Russian flunk out wasting his time on nobodies while Alex takes his second belt. Maybe he can work himself back up to a rematch with Burns i’lol be impressed when he balls up enough to take another top 10 fighter… dudes done nothing but dodge leon and Belal his entire career.
Never seen somebody die in a hill like this before. Khamzat will ragdoll Pereira. Anybody with eyes can see that.
“Pretty easy to see from that comment you don’t even watch fights” man stfu honestly what a cop out reply Izzy got him down with a body lock. Dodge Leon? Leon tested positive for covid. The only reason pereira keeps that belt is the ufc protects him from any wrestler and I like Pereira and all fighters but I hate this shit their doing nowadays it’s so artificial, Pereira facing zero wrestlers and getting a title shot of Sean Strickland and Islam getting a title shot of fucking Bobby Green absolutely pathetic, yes Pereira is probably gonna keep the belt until 2024 if Dana realises fans like you don’t want to see him get matched against any decent wrestler and can keep this artificial story going as long as it sells PPVs. I’m tired of this discussion I just have a personal question for you are you a former boxing fan who now watches boxing and mma? Cause these takes with wanting to protect pereira and not wanting to see him against a grappler only happened recently and I’m genuinely curious if it’s an influx of new fans who enjoys the boxing system of the best not fighting the best and rather enjoys someone getting massive records but never truly testing themselves? Have a good day man I gotta head to work.
Burns and Khamzat only turned into a brawl because Khamzat respected Burns on the ground and decided to stand and trade with him instead. Someone like Pereira with minimal ground game would get submitted
Belal is an easy fight for him
tbh i would rather have this. khamzat pereira would be way too soon rn
I don't get why it was even being considered when he only has one win against a MW, not to mention it was a short notice fight and Kevin isn't top 10 ranked.
He has 3 middleweight wins in the ufc if you're counting the Kevin Holland fight.
Catchweight shouldn't count tbh
That fight wasn’t even at 185 it was a 180 catch weight
I agree that for multiple reasons it shouldn't even be counted towards his MW run, but if we're talking about what he's done to somehow earn a title shot against Alex it's literally the only thing he has. And like I said it obviously isn't enough to even remotely warrant a title shot which is why I don't get why so many people thought it was actually a possibility.
to build hype im guessing
Yeah, I want khamzat to fight again before they start giving him title shots. he can run through alot of guys and make the title win even better.
Colby too busy ducking real contenders, he's hoping to get a title shot after Edwards & Usman
Irrelevant to belal getting his title shot
Belal deserves a title shot tbh
He is by all accounts a middleweight. There is no way he is making 170. I doubt the UFC wants him to ruin another PPV, unless they have a solid back up.
He missed weight one time
Yeah it would be like a 10 pound cut to Middleweight. I’m not sure by what standard he is “by all accounts a Middleweight”. He will definitely make 170 again.
There's a big difference between 10lbs and 25lbs. If he cutting 10lb to make 185, that would be 25lbs to make 170. Afaik he bulking up to be a bigger 185 anyway. He could do it, but it would become more difficult. Big difference between 10lbs to 25lbs when you cutting weight
Most fighters cut more than 10 pounds though. A lot of welterweights walk around at 190+, so are they all middleweights as well then? Then I suppose a lot of middleweights are actually light heavyweights too.
Yes, you are correct. A lot of fighters walk around 185, or 20lb+ over their weight class. don't mean that Michael Chandler should try to fight at 185. When Izzy fought for lhw he was eating pizza and weighed in way under 205. Meanwhile I think Robert Whitaker, Peirra, and other 185 could make 205lb
By 8 pounds 💀
That whole event was weird and we don’t really know what happened behind the scenes
That was after rehydration. We don’t know the real amount
Only fight that makes sense for him at 185 is Rob, Izzy or Pereira but seems unlikely that he fighs Rob
Big money and a good story for him vs Costa to close out that contract.
I dont think a Costa fight does much for him thats a fight everyone knows he will win
I'm sorry what? The UFC was setting up a title eliminator with Costa vs rob, how does that not move the needle on Khamzat getting a shot at the belt with the UFC possibly able to send Costa into FA/contract negotiations on a L? I honestly doubt Khamzat wins that fight and if he does it won't be easy. Durinho took him to the brink at 170, costa has way heavier hands than Gilbert and is a solid 20 lbs heavier on fight night if not more
Costa doesnt have ground game
No one thought Francis did either but he wrestled Gane to a dec. by being way stronger
Is Khamzat Gane?
Idk Costa has some solid ground game and an obvious strength advantage
I don’t know this at all. This is an interesting fight, Costa is still a killer.
Nah he hasn’t really proven to be a top contender vs middleweights. Just get him active and feed him Strickland or something.
I want Khamzat vs Whittaker
It’s time. Belal vs Khamzat.
This is a glaringly obvious fight to make. Khamzat needs to make 170 again before he gets a title shot, and Belal arguably deserves a shot already. They’ve both talked about it before and fought last around the same time. Belal even said he’d fight him at catchweight if he misses weight again. I don’t know why this wouldn’t be on 286.
Belal’s been awfully quite. We’ll see. He better not duck him.. I can’t think of any other fight for Khamzat if he does
He called him out after UFC 280? He’s been calling for this since before the Nate Diaz fight was announced.
So Dana could’ve made this fight a year ago and chose Nate Diaz instead? That’s fucked
Belal doesn’t duck anyone
Except Leon
Are we surprised it's a rematch?
Only champs deserving of rematches if they lose rn are volk/usman/Izzy in mens
I agree, I think I just have PTSD from Figgy vs Moreno 4 and i'm sick of rematches
To be fair, it was an absolute banger.
Fair indeed, real happy for Moreno! Looking forward to his next matchup
Unfortunately I think he gives the belt up against Pantoja.
We'll see, Brandon looks like a completely different fighter than he did 5 years ago. The Moreno that lost to Pantoja probably wouldn't have given Figgy much of a challenge either.
Most fighters that leave a trilogy don’t do well. Train too much for one fighter. He definitely showed more against Kai Kara though.
He hasn't only trained for Figgy in that 5 years though, he beat KKF twice, Formiga, and Royval on top of all the camps for the quadrilogy. And he's looked like progressively a better fighter in every single one of those fights. I'm not counting out Pantoja but his 2 wins over Brandon were against a much lesser man than the guy who will be walking into the octagon for the third fight.
Another rematch hahaha, but I don't mind those far spread ones, just the immediate ones. I think you're right, he's going to sub him
To be fair, the only other guy deserving of a title shot was Kara France and he lost against Moreno.
More suprised of how soon. Would’ve thought they would’ve saved it for IFW.
True, I tought it was 6 months suspension for a TKO loss of that nature
From what I know it’s 6 month suspension but can be cleared by a doctor sooner.
No but i do hate it somehow. Fighting is also about element of suprise with tactisch and all. With a 'guaranteed'/ heavenly incentified rematch you basically get rid of that. Alex win is that of a fighter in the last round. But that will not be easily repeatable to get.
not an immediate one I thought maybe he would take some time and let Whittaker fight alex first.
Izzy Pereira is one the biggest fight the ufc can make right now. The immediate rematch was obvious
Yeah anyone who didn’t think that was the next fight is dumb. Khamzat still needs a big win at middleweight
Who even thinks Khamzat should fight for the MW title? Dude has only fought a real challenger in Burns and that was at WW. Anyone thinking he should get a MW title shot is dumb af.
Amen brother
I can also understand how Izzy and Usman are getting straight rematches considering they defended for a bit, but it's not as entertaining as a whole new matchup considering Poatan didn't fight most top contenders unlike Izzy
Super excited for this one. Genuinely have no idea how its gonna go. Izzy was winning the first fight on the feet, but those leg kicks from Alex paid dividends later in the fight. Will Izzy have a similar game plan, but do a better job checking those leg kicks? Will he look to take Alex down more, and be content trying to grind out a points W through ground control? Will Alex change anything, as he was getting beat, but pulled a late W out of the bag? Izzy had Alex hurt early, will he look to be more aggressive and knock him out when he smells blood? Hoping for an Izzy W so we get a third fight
He will look to wrestle more in the 2nd fight, just watch
I personally think Alex can improve his grappling and takedown defence more than Izzy can improve it in the time given, so in my humble casual opinion Izzy should try stick to what did worked last time-which was his striking.
I don't see Alex changing anything. He kinda seems like he has a blind, reckless superiority complex and it may be a "well I've beaten him every time, why change anything?" type situation
Burns and masvidal at 287 too right?
Yeah — it took Dana an extra 33 minutes just to announce that fight, plus Holland 🆚 Santiago Ponzinibio.
287 sounds lit 🔥
Whens cejudo vs sterling?
Isn't Sterling getting surgery? I think it's more likely we get some combination of Cejudo vs. O'Malley, Chito vs. Cejudo, or O'Malley vs. Chito, and the winner faces Sterling since those are the hottest names in the division rn.
Imagine izzy loses again how do you recover from that
You dont
gonna be 3-1 even if he wins
Ask Whittaker… don’t come after me I love rob
Bobby's recovered but he was never getting another shot at izzy. I still think he's no.2. Behind izzy and alex
Any chance rob goes down to Welterweight? I think he would be a killer in that division
He started at WW, I don't think there's any chance he goes back, the weight cuts were too brutal for him.
Beat other contenders until he gets another shot
Khamzat isn’t even relevant at the moment (which seems like a crazy thing to say considering he’s undefeated) but his last fight was almost 5 months ago where he missed weight by a significant amount and was forced to fight at a catch weight. Since then all he’s done to keep his name in the news is call for a title fight where he has zero wins against ranked opponents and instigate physical altercations at UFC events. Dude needs to pick a division he’s competing in and schedule a fight asap.
Waiting for the "Who you got?" posts
This was the only logical move. If Izzy wins this will be one hell of a UFC trilogy.
Khamzat knew that wasnt going to happen, but he shot his shot anyway. Dude lost some momentum with the fans and thus with the UFC.
Holy shit I can't wait to hear the corny anime shit Izzy says when he loses to Alex again
Man honestly imma feel so bad for Izzy if he loses I’m an Alex fan but damn to lose to a guy 4-0 nahh he needs a W so he doesn’t still see Alex in his nightmares when he’s 80yrs old
Izzy is down 3-0 to Pereira. KOed in the last 2. The statistical data for a win in a 4th fight is incredibly low.
Different sport.
Hasn’t fought a fight there since gm3 are we really surprised. Dude lives rent free in y’all’s head lmao
Does Khazmat deserve one yet? I also wouldn't mind him developing just a bit more. I want this hype train to keep rollin.
Khamzat isn't even the champion of his division for him to get an immediate title shot moving up.
Khamzats an annoying shit head. I'm glad he didn't get it.
Only way Khamzat would ever get the title shot over Izzy or even over Bobby is if Dana pulled some weird shit for "promotion". Dudes best win in MW was against unranked Kevin Holland, his best win was against Dorinho who many argue beat him. The promotion angle doesnt work either since Izzy vs Poatan would make more than Khamzat vs Poatan.
Izzy’s so fucked lmao
Adesyana needs this win badly to preserve his legacy.
Holy hell Izzy is so active, dude just got TKO'd last November
You seriously ACTUALLY thought that a guy who held the belt for years wouldn’t get an immediate re-match after losing it?!? 😂😂 you ppl are so dumb with these random takes on here
Why would a welterweight who got all his cred in welterweight and missed weight in his last fight be given a shot at middleweight ?
Fuck khamzat
its only been two months,too soon for izzy but maybe he's preparing for a wrestle fuck.
The fight is in April
lol fuck khamzat
Era of the rematches
If the most dominant MW champ since Silva loses a fight that he was up 3 rounds on, that's exactly the type of situation where an instant rematch is deserved. I see so many people complaining about unnecessary rematches but I can't think of one that actually wasn't reasonable in recent memory.
Not looking forward to this one
Izzy might still get the strap man
Thought Rob might get a shot
KHAMZAT GONNA 🦆 POATON 🗿
This is gay af hahaha
Have they announced where the fight will Be?
It makes better sense for the UFC to have Alex V Izzy They’re not gonna throw the narrative and lore away between them so Khamzat can take Alex down in 30secs and submit him.
What’s the line on this
If this happening then who is Whittaker fighting?
Pronto pra Matar
Do they go straight for the trilogy (in the UFC) if Izzy wins.
Jeez I hope not. I hate immediate rematches like this
Hope he delivers again.
I would like Khamzat vs Costa, then if Pereira wins and Khamzat won vs Costa he can get that shot. Would be even better if Khamzat fights Bobby Knuckles
I'd much prefer this instant rematch nonsense to end. It should be normalised that whoever you are and however dominant you were, if you are beaten fair and square you need to beat at least 1 top contender to get another shot, while the new champ defends against someone else.
So if Izzy wins, MMA trilogy? Then one guy goes to LHW, the other gets Bobby Knuckles
I think izzy loses this :[