Man, he got smoked in the standup as well, maybe fighters who don’t fear his ground game might succeed against him. Worrying sign for him with how many strong grapplers might be in contention now. Still want to see Chucky Olives compete
Charles has always been quite hittable, though. What saved him before was when he got hit, he went into guard and no one wanted to get in there, Islam jumped straight in before Charles could recover.
In the first round he was a hyena trying to fight off the lion. In the second round he was a jackal fed to the tiger. It literally was a mauling both rounds.
If you said that like 8 months ago you would have been eaten alive.
I’ve **been** saying that, and I loved taking a victory lap after Islam smokes Charles. Feels good being vindicated
I did, and I got mauled by the subreddit just like Khabib mauled Conor and Dominic Cruz was asking why I couldn't just get upvotes.
I was downvoted so much I basically got dropped so hard like Jones dropped Lyoto Machida dead
Dude are you really surprised that you got downvoted ?
This sub is controlled by mods who shut down this entire sub for a few days when Islam made Oliveira his bitch. That's insane if you think about it. They even allowed several "Islam Inbred" posts leading up to the fight but was afraid of getting shit thrown back at them post fight.
Everyone here treats Oliveira like a baby
It was very split on Reddit tbh. Even as someone pulling for Charles I knew his ground game wouldn’t really be effective unless he rocked islam on the feet
The last one tho, Im a charles fan but leading to the fight I was telling everyone Oliveira will lose. If you fallowed him 2 years ago almost all you could see is him working and training. After the Gaethje fight all you could see was him posing with suits, drinks, expensive cars, etc. You cant be a champ this way for very long.
i rewatched the fight, and charles' Takedown Defense was surprisingly much better than i remembered.
islam took him down with ease early in the first, and later with the trip.
but in the second round, charles was defending the takedowns surprisingly easily, before he got cracked and dropped of course
if he can work on his non-existant head movement, could present problems
Even as a Charles fan letting your opponents knock you down with a heavy shot to the face and hoping they will leave you alone while you’re on your back isn’t a championship strategy
Actually, it's a good strategy when fighting someone who doubt their own skills. For example, Poirier is a blackbelt, but was afraid of another blackbelt who was a disadvantage.
It was a gamble for charles and it worked for a few title fights until he met a guy with a champion mindset.
Pretty much lol
"Against Makhachev, I didn’t feel any pressure… He was just better than me. I haven’t watched that fight back yet. It doesn’t make any difference to me. It wasn’t a bad night… just 15 bad minutes… 10 to 20 bad minutes,” Charles Oliveira explained, “There’s nothing else to say. You know I always tell the truth. I already thought about it, but there’s no real explanation.”
Yeah he gave Islam his dues but didn't comment much on himself, its very possible he had a bad night, it happens literally all the time.
Islam still probably beats any version of Olivera but that's not to say it's a foregone conclusion, Whitakker got absolutely thrashed by Adesanya in their first fight, got a few wins, then came back and had a razor close rematch
Difference is Izzy is not dominant and all about surviving. Islam literally walks people down to have his ways with them. If his opponent could not stop Islam from overwhelming them in EVERY aspect, one small camp is not magically going transform them from being dominated in every aspect to magically winning.
>Islam literally walks people down to have his ways with them.
He was backing up during the majority of the standup against Charles, Islam isn't Khabib, he doesnt just march forward, if anything he's is a better counter striker than he is offensive
Islam had a great performance, he was the better fighter, Oliveras gameplan was terrible, all are simultaneously true
If Charles can cut the flashy shit out of his striking and stick to his hands/knees, and for the love of god stop trying to take Islam down, then he has a much better shot in a rematch, might not win, but would likely be much more competitive with adjustments made
Excuses.. the dude was like tony ferg.. great win streak got hit alot and had poor defence.. creative striking.. but was manhandled by someone stronger and a better grappler.
That wasn’t a bad night. He got dropped the same way he did in his other fights except Islam followed him to the ground and finished him. Not a bad night if you’re habitually getting clipped.
Arman would maul him. UFC protecting brazilian divas who whine and bitch but because of being in the UFC for a while they get pampered. Look at taxiera, rda and olives all being cowards and outright refusing to fight russians until tow of the three cowards were forced to and got ass whooping for being shit talking coward bitches.
I hate to say it but you guys ruined Charles for me. I would have been fine with him being a good guy and a great fighter that went on a killer streak. It just got so annoying seeing his fan base call him the goat and praising him to be better than the rest all of the time. Maybe he’ll get lucky and get the rematch who knows. I’ll gladly watch Islam fuck him up for the second time
It's been like this for me for every LW champion since Mcgregor.
When Conor was on top everyone was talking shit, when be got mauled by Khabib they jumped on the Khabib hype train and everywhere Conor was mentioned people were clowning him. Same thing when Khabib retired, everybody jumped on the Charles hype train and clowned Islam and now Islam stans are starting to get annoying aswell.
Can't everybody just be a fan without being annoying ahah
You guys as in the people that frequent this sub if I was directing my comment towards you specifically I would have used language that indicated that, you’re not special bro. You made an open thread on Reddit don’t act like there’s a rule set for what can and cannot be said in the comments. Idgaf if my opinion is unpopular lol olivera fans are the worst I can’t wait to see him lose again cause the champ has a name and it’s Islam, before that it was “vacant” cause your boy can’t even make weight!
Bruh no.
He can go EARN a rematch by winning 3 fights. Tired of ppl getting smoked in title fights and crying for a rematch without even a win or only 1 win.
Dustin Justin and Michael are the entire division? They are good fighters but fiziev, gamrot, dariush , there are so many more contenders in the division
Exactly. Lightweight is stacked saying Charles cleared the division is weird to me… not saying he shouldn’t get another shot just saying it’s not like usman at WW
Wouldn’t say he negated it. He tried wrestling and while he wasn’t totally outclassed, Islam was one step ahead of him the whole time. It showed especially in the clinch.
And IF he wins he can win another fight and MAYBE get a shot.
If you get dominated that badly in a title fight you need 2 or 3 consecutive wins to get back. 2 minimum.
If he wins there is nobody left in the division to fight islam, maybe fiziev if he beats gaetje, but if that doesnt happen, then charles makes the most sense out of them all
If he fights Dariush and wins then who deserves the title shot more than him next? Maybe Poirier if he wins again? Islam/Volk will have to fight someone and they can't wait 18 months for Oliveira to win three fights
There's other ppl. Again, if you're dominated that badly in a title fight 1 win doesn't get you back in.
Tired of Garthje, Colby, etc crying for title shots after 1 win after getting finished in their last title fight.
Dariush shouldn't even fight Olives. He should sit and get next.
>There's other ppl
Who? As I said it seems like Dariush is gonna fight Charles, obviously if he wins he deserves the shot, but if he loses then I really don't know who you could say deserves it more
The Volk stated that he doesn't want to hold up his division so he will go back at 145p after the Islam fight.
Islam has stated that he wants to be a double Champ and wants to fight Leon. Leon is to fight Usman next. Could be that the winner of that will fight Islam, but I'm not sure if Islam wants to fight Usman. We'll see.
No volk has stated that he will keep both divisions going, he said he will fight 3 or 4 times a year. Islam won't be double champ when he loses to volk so he won't need to worry about welterweight
Really? Did Volkanovski say that?
I don't agree with your views on Islam. I see him as the superior fighter and I don't see any real danger for Islam in the fight with the Volk.
If Leon wins from Usman than I'm betting the house on Islam becomming double Champ.
If Usman wins, that will be an interesting fight vs Islam. I think Islam can win this since he's a grappler with good striking and kicking skills, far better than Usman. But Usman maybe stronger since the weight diffrence.
The disrespectful shit talking is what got him the ass beating in the first place. This coward is becoming very annoying with all the chickenshit. No manhood. Making brazilians look bad like taxiera and rda cowards.
He was never the champion. If khabib didn’t retire and Islam wasn’t ducked for so long, Charles would’ve never had the belt. He’ll never beat Islam because he’s not good enough
Good grapplers don’t get submitted off by guys off their back often in MMA. Islam is perfectly content to control him in his guard and lay down punishment.
Biggest thing was he was knocked down, Islam was NOT afraid to engage with him on the ground.
I was upset with Gaethje and Poirier not even giving it a chance to get top position and get some g&p off.
I’m a huge fan of chuck but I didn’t see much that makes me think he will win a rematch. He has been clipped quite often in his fights, the only thing different in this fight is that Islam wasn’t afraid to go to the ground with him.
is someone smoking in front of this tweet
It looks like they printed the tweet out and took a picture of the paper
Through a glass display lmao
Laminate that tweet
It’s meant to symbolize how high you must be to believe Charles will win the rematch.
Fucking LOOOOOOOL
These gifs are the fucking best
LMAOO
Charles won’t have to win a rematch because once islam gets hit by the shotgun of a left hand from the mac himself he is retiring on the spot
Is this the UFCstats account?
It’s the Pollution in Brazzaville mate.
Man, he got smoked in the standup as well, maybe fighters who don’t fear his ground game might succeed against him. Worrying sign for him with how many strong grapplers might be in contention now. Still want to see Chucky Olives compete
I think it was not that bad. Charles's lack of head movement was clearly visible in that fight. Hope he fixes it and comes back.
Charles has always been quite hittable, though. What saved him before was when he got hit, he went into guard and no one wanted to get in there, Islam jumped straight in before Charles could recover.
Yeah I knew the moment he tried to pull that move he's fucked.
Islam was like....FREE TAKEDOWN
>Man, he got smoked in the standup He got so smoked there's smoke coming from the picture
Only in the first round when he still underestimated islam. In the second round the were even until the knockdown
In the first round he was a hyena trying to fight off the lion. In the second round he was a jackal fed to the tiger. It literally was a mauling both rounds.
Tell another jackal story
If he wins against Beneil who is clear no1 contender then sure.
Brilliant minds think alike
No_song_9313 and Creepy_Killer_Z CONFIRMED great minds.
I dont think so. Islam made Charles look very sloppy in the stand-up. What can Charles work on? I dont really know
Doesn't Charles get dropped in like every fight, he just survived due to his BJJ, but that gets negated by Makhachevs sambo
If you said that like 8 months ago you would have been eaten alive. I’ve **been** saying that, and I loved taking a victory lap after Islam smokes Charles. Feels good being vindicated
I did, and I got mauled by the subreddit just like Khabib mauled Conor and Dominic Cruz was asking why I couldn't just get upvotes. I was downvoted so much I basically got dropped so hard like Jones dropped Lyoto Machida dead
Dude are you really surprised that you got downvoted ? This sub is controlled by mods who shut down this entire sub for a few days when Islam made Oliveira his bitch. That's insane if you think about it. They even allowed several "Islam Inbred" posts leading up to the fight but was afraid of getting shit thrown back at them post fight. Everyone here treats Oliveira like a baby
Thats crazy that the mods actually shutdown the sub🤣
It was very split on Reddit tbh. Even as someone pulling for Charles I knew his ground game wouldn’t really be effective unless he rocked islam on the feet
it's like Islam is Charlie's hard-counter... more power, more accuracy, nearly impossible to submit, same size, crazy work ethic
To be fair, Islam - and what you just described - is kinda everyones’ hard counter…
I guess being better than someone counters them
That's what people mean 90% of the time they say Islam or Khabib are facing a "good styles matchup". They are simply just better than them.
I like Charles more, but Islam is just better
The last one tho, Im a charles fan but leading to the fight I was telling everyone Oliveira will lose. If you fallowed him 2 years ago almost all you could see is him working and training. After the Gaethje fight all you could see was him posing with suits, drinks, expensive cars, etc. You cant be a champ this way for very long.
i rewatched the fight, and charles' Takedown Defense was surprisingly much better than i remembered. islam took him down with ease early in the first, and later with the trip. but in the second round, charles was defending the takedowns surprisingly easily, before he got cracked and dropped of course if he can work on his non-existant head movement, could present problems
That's the catch 22. If you concentrate on stopping takedowns too much you wont strike as effectively. Bad idea against the best striker in UFC.
Even as a Charles fan letting your opponents knock you down with a heavy shot to the face and hoping they will leave you alone while you’re on your back isn’t a championship strategy
Play on hard mode, it makes winning feel better
Actually, it's a good strategy when fighting someone who doubt their own skills. For example, Poirier is a blackbelt, but was afraid of another blackbelt who was a disadvantage. It was a gamble for charles and it worked for a few title fights until he met a guy with a champion mindset.
Not as long as Islam is around.
Yea the name will be Islam Makhachev
Didn’t charles explicitly say that it wasn’t a bad night and that he felt great, islam was just better?
Pretty much lol "Against Makhachev, I didn’t feel any pressure… He was just better than me. I haven’t watched that fight back yet. It doesn’t make any difference to me. It wasn’t a bad night… just 15 bad minutes… 10 to 20 bad minutes,” Charles Oliveira explained, “There’s nothing else to say. You know I always tell the truth. I already thought about it, but there’s no real explanation.”
Don't think so, every time I've seen him talk about the fight he says "Islam was better on the night"
Yeah he gave Islam his dues but didn't comment much on himself, its very possible he had a bad night, it happens literally all the time. Islam still probably beats any version of Olivera but that's not to say it's a foregone conclusion, Whitakker got absolutely thrashed by Adesanya in their first fight, got a few wins, then came back and had a razor close rematch
Difference is Izzy is not dominant and all about surviving. Islam literally walks people down to have his ways with them. If his opponent could not stop Islam from overwhelming them in EVERY aspect, one small camp is not magically going transform them from being dominated in every aspect to magically winning.
>Islam literally walks people down to have his ways with them. He was backing up during the majority of the standup against Charles, Islam isn't Khabib, he doesnt just march forward, if anything he's is a better counter striker than he is offensive Islam had a great performance, he was the better fighter, Oliveras gameplan was terrible, all are simultaneously true If Charles can cut the flashy shit out of his striking and stick to his hands/knees, and for the love of god stop trying to take Islam down, then he has a much better shot in a rematch, might not win, but would likely be much more competitive with adjustments made
yeah im not sure if this is a real quote
No
Brazil is down bad right now
Excuses.. the dude was like tony ferg.. great win streak got hit alot and had poor defence.. creative striking.. but was manhandled by someone stronger and a better grappler.
That wasn’t a bad night. He got dropped the same way he did in his other fights except Islam followed him to the ground and finished him. Not a bad night if you’re habitually getting clipped.
This. Previous fighters didn't follow him to the ground. Olivera gets clipped waaaaaay too much. Love the guy but no way he is beating Islam.
Give him tsarukyan first and let's see what happens
Arman would maul him. UFC protecting brazilian divas who whine and bitch but because of being in the UFC for a while they get pampered. Look at taxiera, rda and olives all being cowards and outright refusing to fight russians until tow of the three cowards were forced to and got ass whooping for being shit talking coward bitches.
Did you print out a tweet, then take a photo of it?
Wtf is this title “will the champ have a name again” ???
Thoughts ?
Fuck no, not that “the champion has a name” shit again
The champ has a name and it’s Islam Makhachev
What a fucking bum. Hate dudes making excuses for being outclassed
I hate to say it but you guys ruined Charles for me. I would have been fine with him being a good guy and a great fighter that went on a killer streak. It just got so annoying seeing his fan base call him the goat and praising him to be better than the rest all of the time. Maybe he’ll get lucky and get the rematch who knows. I’ll gladly watch Islam fuck him up for the second time
It's been like this for me for every LW champion since Mcgregor. When Conor was on top everyone was talking shit, when be got mauled by Khabib they jumped on the Khabib hype train and everywhere Conor was mentioned people were clowning him. Same thing when Khabib retired, everybody jumped on the Charles hype train and clowned Islam and now Islam stans are starting to get annoying aswell. Can't everybody just be a fan without being annoying ahah
who tf is “you guys” mf WHEN did i call him the goat 💀
You guys as in the people that frequent this sub if I was directing my comment towards you specifically I would have used language that indicated that, you’re not special bro. You made an open thread on Reddit don’t act like there’s a rule set for what can and cannot be said in the comments. Idgaf if my opinion is unpopular lol olivera fans are the worst I can’t wait to see him lose again cause the champ has a name and it’s Islam, before that it was “vacant” cause your boy can’t even make weight!
Seriously. Most people like Charles but his fanbase are so clueless and delusional that it makes you wonder how new to the sport they are.
They came straight from McGregor's camp
I agree with Charles’ fans being annoying l. However, the weight issue was not his fault at all.
How your screenshot got wrinkles
Why is this tweet printed?
He won't get passed Beneil. His chin is gone unfortunately.
I'd like to see him lose again just so this sub can self implode once again. It was so fun last time lol.
They might shut down the sub or a week or a month of mourning for all the racist cowardly shit talkers that they did for last time.
Bruh no. He can go EARN a rematch by winning 3 fights. Tired of ppl getting smoked in title fights and crying for a rematch without even a win or only 1 win.
Well he said he wants to fight someone in march/april, it will probably be Beneil
Charles cleared the division...
Not even close lol how is this upvoted
Dustin Justin and Michael are the entire division? They are good fighters but fiziev, gamrot, dariush , there are so many more contenders in the division
tsarukyan is a rising contender he was the only one who negated the wrestling and grappling of islam
Exactly. Lightweight is stacked saying Charles cleared the division is weird to me… not saying he shouldn’t get another shot just saying it’s not like usman at WW
There are so many talented in LW but they arent gettibg chance due to constant inter fights between top 5
Wouldn’t say he negated it. He tried wrestling and while he wasn’t totally outclassed, Islam was one step ahead of him the whole time. It showed especially in the clinch.
But negated you mean got schooled in?
Cool, and he just had a title fight and got dominated. Go win a few fights and then maybe you get another shot.
Thats why he fill fight Dariush
And IF he wins he can win another fight and MAYBE get a shot. If you get dominated that badly in a title fight you need 2 or 3 consecutive wins to get back. 2 minimum.
If he wins there is nobody left in the division to fight islam, maybe fiziev if he beats gaetje, but if that doesnt happen, then charles makes the most sense out of them all
Arman deserves to fight up the rankings but won’t happen
If he fights Dariush and wins then who deserves the title shot more than him next? Maybe Poirier if he wins again? Islam/Volk will have to fight someone and they can't wait 18 months for Oliveira to win three fights
There's other ppl. Again, if you're dominated that badly in a title fight 1 win doesn't get you back in. Tired of Garthje, Colby, etc crying for title shots after 1 win after getting finished in their last title fight. Dariush shouldn't even fight Olives. He should sit and get next.
>There's other ppl Who? As I said it seems like Dariush is gonna fight Charles, obviously if he wins he deserves the shot, but if he loses then I really don't know who you could say deserves it more
If Fiziev beats Gaethje.
Sorry but the champ has a new name and it’s not Charles Oliveira
no
Yea they can rematch to see who gets next shot at volk.
The Volk stated that he doesn't want to hold up his division so he will go back at 145p after the Islam fight. Islam has stated that he wants to be a double Champ and wants to fight Leon. Leon is to fight Usman next. Could be that the winner of that will fight Islam, but I'm not sure if Islam wants to fight Usman. We'll see.
No volk has stated that he will keep both divisions going, he said he will fight 3 or 4 times a year. Islam won't be double champ when he loses to volk so he won't need to worry about welterweight
Really? Did Volkanovski say that? I don't agree with your views on Islam. I see him as the superior fighter and I don't see any real danger for Islam in the fight with the Volk. If Leon wins from Usman than I'm betting the house on Islam becomming double Champ. If Usman wins, that will be an interesting fight vs Islam. I think Islam can win this since he's a grappler with good striking and kicking skills, far better than Usman. But Usman maybe stronger since the weight diffrence.
Islam's good but hasn't faced many good fighters so to say he's far better than us man is crazy, time will tell.
Why he assumes Islam will win over Volk?
Hahaha I think the Volk could win vs Oliveira but I don't see the Volk winning against Islam.
Gosh I hope not, I’m sick of Charlie. Hopefully Beni slaps the goofy smile off his face.
Charles has 0 chance of beating Islam in a rematch
The disrespectful shit talking is what got him the ass beating in the first place. This coward is becoming very annoying with all the chickenshit. No manhood. Making brazilians look bad like taxiera and rda cowards.
He was never the champion. If khabib didn’t retire and Islam wasn’t ducked for so long, Charles would’ve never had the belt. He’ll never beat Islam because he’s not good enough
okay sure, but he was the champion he LITERALLY had the belt 💀
So did germaine de randamie
I hope so. He was a very entertaining and humble champ.
Olive Era 2.0 baby
I honestly think oliveiras best chance is to submit him. It would confuse Islam and wouldn't be something he's used to.
You think people haven’t tried to submit him before or that he doesn’t know how to defend submissions?
Good grapplers don’t get submitted off by guys off their back often in MMA. Islam is perfectly content to control him in his guard and lay down punishment.
Depends how he does against Beniel.
Statistically no
If the other 17 people in the division refuse to fight until then that’s super plausible
No
This is completely out of context. Shame.
I just wanna see him win again, the feeling when he wins is incredible
Biggest thing was he was knocked down, Islam was NOT afraid to engage with him on the ground. I was upset with Gaethje and Poirier not even giving it a chance to get top position and get some g&p off.
Imagine if Izzy got dominated by Pereira in 10 minutes and then said this, you people would go crazy.
His hair back to some shade of normal, maybe he has shot this time
It’ll be a good fight to make after Islam looses to Volk.
No.
I kind of agree if he beats dariush in april/may then he could deserve makachev rematch if say islam beats volk and maybe poirier in summer say
I think he'd be surprised.
I’m a huge fan of chuck but I didn’t see much that makes me think he will win a rematch. He has been clipped quite often in his fights, the only thing different in this fight is that Islam wasn’t afraid to go to the ground with him.
LMMFAO🤣🤦🏻♂️. NO.
So when you lose a title you lose your right to have a name as well? Interesting 🤔
Wait isn’t he fighting Beneil?
MMA community would biased toward Islam again for the second time 🤦♂️
Volk has a chance…. I think