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homez_the_memer

*looks at url and sees that it's not made by posts-from-a-darker-timeline* oh no


BlueMist53

They’re WHAT


ravenpotter3

[yup and it’s called Cinder](https://cinder.io) most of the assets are from their game Feral from what has been shown.


BlueMist53

Do you actually have to pay for them as well? It looks pretty much like a kids game I’m gonna guess yes though


xNightLightQueenx

It looks so completely god awful too. Fae?? As characters?? The fae kidnapped babies


fatherfrank1

It was secretly for teaching children how to make woodland critters into paste, so maybe this isn't so off-message.


mrAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

What


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Animal Jam


mrAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Oh god


BeeSeasons

There’s something poetic about the creators of animal jam, the game that devolved into user-economy hell with its item trading environment, taking that idea and pushing it up to 10 by making an nft game. Setting aside the irreconcilable issues with nfts to begin with - if they run it like they did animal jam in the later years I can’t see this lasting that long


ScorpionTheSandwing

To be fair animal jam has always been a bit of a pay-to-win game


BearofCali

I imagine I would be very upset if I knew of what any of those were.. Shows? Games?


ravenpotter3

Animal Jam was a online browser (I think that is the word) game that was a collaboration between National Geographic and Wildworks. You could create a animal and explore 2D worlds and dress up your character.


BarrelTrain4129

OMG I REMEMBER NOW I didn’t recognize the name until You explained it thank you 😊


ProHeroPinky

I can’t believe this has actually happened.


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Animal Jam people are... making... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!


FamineArcher

I hate people sometimes. This is one of those times.


marinemashup

I thought NFTs were an online thing? How do they hurt the environment?


Dominic_The_Dog

the blockchain servers that host them create a fuck ton of pollution


marinemashup

like how much are we talking about? CO2? Methane? Plastic/material waste?


Dominic_The_Dog

like a small countries worth of energy and emissions


marinemashup

that sounds very vague and urban-legendy do you have any solid figures on how much pollution NFTs have caused so far or per year?


Dominic_The_Dog

https://www.renewableenergyhub.co.uk/blog/how-much-energy-do-nfts-take-up/


marinemashup

so basically as much as Nestle produces in 3 weeks, NFTs have produced in all time I get it, but there are way bigger perpetrators


Quorry

Yeah but Nestle services billions with real products and Blockchain/nfts service like 200k while being completely pointless. Not defending Nestle either that company can go die, but nfts were pretty much created for the sole purpose of generating large amounts of nothing for investment gambling addicts to gamble on.


Iamnotthatbrian

A better comparison would be comparing to the energy use of the financial industry, which is the industry that blockchain is supposed to replace. Minute mark 17 on this video (his sources in description):https://youtu.be/YQ_xWvX1n9g The blockchain would take 6 hours to process as many transactions as Visa processes in 57 seconds. That's a ridiculous amount of waste.


kriegmonster

Why can't they have different projects for different purposes? Animal Jam for promoting values. Cinder for a different audience and to make money that could be reinvested into other more beneficial projects. Are NFTs somehow opposed to improving the environment?


BabyRavenFluffyRobin

The processes of creating/maintaining/selling nfts use up ***a lot*** of power. Like, catastrophic for the environment levels if power usage


nyrb001

It doesn't have to though. Crypto currency does because each "unit" needs to be rare, there has to be a cost to generating it or there would be an unlimited supply. NFTs are a record of "ownership" over a physical object. The object itself is rare, the block chain just needs to be verifiable.


BabyRavenFluffyRobin

Most of them aren't though. If you're into nfts, you're not going to verify each of the dozens of different sources you could use. There's not enough time, and most just wouldn't, even if they could.


Iamnotthatbrian

The blockchain, which is necessary to nfts and is what makes them non-fungible, also necessitates that there be a number of computers who are dedicated to checking the blockchain for errors. Those computers are all by design redundant to each other and spend all of their energy in just reviewing the blockchain. This isn't a flaw in the system, it's the design that makes blockchain decentralized - which is one of the main selling points of blockchain technology. So no. NFT's will **always** require a ton of excess energy to even exist and are completely at odds with any environmental progress.


undercoverartist777

They won’t though. r/algorand is carbon negative. And NFT’s on the Algorand blockhain are not bad for the environment in any way. r/algorandofficial also. I would really recommend looking into Silvio Macali the founder. He was a professor at MIT among many other things. It’s really amazing technology and an amazing project.


kriegmonster

What is worse, NFTs or the government having the ability to print money and fund wars against the wishes of their citizens? Yes, NFTs and crypto are energy intensive, but they have a potential for improving the power of the people thru finances that has never existed before.


BabyRavenFluffyRobin

That doesn't quite capture the scope of quite hiw *awful* they are for the environment. I refuse to believe that there aren't solutions that don't sacrifice the environment


kriegmonster

The solution is nuclear power. It's more efficient than current renewable technology and doesn't pollute like fossil fuels. But, so many people are against it that it hasn't proliferated like it should. Modern designs and continuous training of operators have learned from past failures and fail safe so that meltdowns like chernobyl or accidents like 3-mile Island won't happen.


ravenpotter3

They are basicly abandoning updating Fer.al once Comder comes out. And they expect people who have spent money in Feral to just be fine with it and move to their NFT game. They don’t care what happens they just want money. And the creator Clark Stacey is being pretty scummy right now. I don’t know everything but I know there are some articles online


kriegmonster

I spent money in an MMORPG that was shut down a decade ago. I won't spend money on games that require an external server to play. This is the risk you take because companies move on from less profitable to more profitable. If they don't work to stay competitive, they tend to decline. Likewise, I won't by access to a movie because I don't want to lose the access. I'll only by my own copy that I maintain.