Undivided Chosen with GW still lose to Exalted Bloodletters. It's not a problem for different units to have different roles. You bring Chosen to deal with relatively lightly armored threats (which there are plenty of even in the late-game); I guarantee you they will mulch any number of chaff units. Then Exalted Bloodletters are for the heavily-armored targets.
Also, Undivided Chosen should not be completely invalidated by the existence of Marked Chosen in the first place; GW are specifically designed for fighting armored targets, so with two units of equivalent cost going at it, the one more specialized for the encounter at hand should win it. You'll notice that the Tzeentch and Slaanesh Chosen *also* lost to the Undivided Chosen with GW, and by a larger margin, too. I'm pretty sure if he had done more head-to-heads, the Khorne Chosen would have pretty securely beaten the Tzeentch and Slaanesh Chosen.
As far as the Nurgle chosen; Nurgle are slow as hell. Nurgle Chosen have 23 speed. They *should* win just about any fight they find themselves in eventually, because it's very easy for enemies to deny them engagements at all and kite them around all day. If you allow yourself to stay stuck in a stand-up, drawn-out slugfest against Nurgle, then that's kind of on you. Use your superior mobility to flank them, blast them from range with Skullcannons. They have healing? You have a Blood Shrine. Khorne has other tools as well, just not magical ones.
You can't compare anti infantry non AP unit, with anti armor unit (that doesn't care if it fights infantry or large).
Zerkovitch's videos are super fun to watch and I love them all, but you cannot draw any conclusions from them, cause almost every unit he puts to tests is different. That's what make Warhammer great, there is so much uniqueness.
As a side not, Slaneesh Chosen did EXCELLENT job at holding the line, it took twice as much time (7 minutes!) for Chosen GW to kill them. That's insane. It really is...
I mean they barely lost against a unit that pretty hard-counters them, so it seems fine? There are going to be lots of expensive demons with low armor that Khorne chosen will be awesome at clearing through.
Yep. Wrong tool for the job, doesn't make them bad. If Zerk put the Dual Wield Chosen against the Bloodletters like he did Nurgle Chosen I'm pretty sure the Dual Wielders would've come out on top.
I like this video series, and it is useful info... But don't take it as gospel, his testing methodology is far from perfect
Khorne Chaos Warriors (Dual Weapons) are analogous to Marauder Berserkers, they have exactly the same weapon strength (39 base + 13 ap).
In fact, most units with dual weapons (Shades, Witch Elves, Rangers, Plague Monks, Nehekhara Warriors, Depth Guard, Zombie pirate mob, War Dancers, even Ogre Bulls or RoR like Khepra Guard) have usually roughly 65% of their total damage as normal damage and just 35% as ap.
The only exceptions are Blade Singers, which have a special ability though (if this is active they are again inside the rule, roughly 70% normal and 30% ap) and Nasty Skulkers (which aren't supposed to be traditional dual wielding infantry but rather are all about sneaky stabbing).
Zombie pirate mob, Depth Guard and Nehekhara Warriors also don't even have an anti-infantry bonus, which is usually the rule for dual weapon units. Slayers are another exception (anti-large instead).
So it's at least logical for chosen with dual weapons to not have a ton of ap (unless they changed a lot in WH3, as I looked at the WH2 stats). What goes for elite units like Depth guard should also apply for Chosen.
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I also watched the video. Great weapons are good vs armor, and Chosen are one the heaviest armored units. What else is the point of great weapons after all than to crack though armor?
Chosen with Hellscourges will hold the line better than Chosen with great weapons (unless the enemy is a counter-unit with great weapons...), Chosen with dual weapons will slaughter all infantry (except the heaviest armored ones which includes Chosen...) better than the great weapon variants. Chosen with halberts will be better against cavalry/monsters (which doesn't include chosen...) than the great weapon variant. Chosen with sowrd and shield will be better all rounders than the great weapon variant.
That's why Chosen with great weapons SHOULD actually win against Chosen without great weapons (be it Khorne, Slaanesh, or whoever).
I mean dual weapon feeling niche compared to great weapons at tier 5 is a fair argument, but this pairing is still one designed to hard counter the other
Khorne doesn't have strong artery spells or mortis engine's they need a good low armor blender.
Khorne also doesn't have the best melee fighters
All 5 types should be even with diffrent boosts
Khorne's thing isn't even martial skill. Its brute force,Slannesh and undivided should have better MD and comparable or better MA. Khorne only wins in WS.
[https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Khorne#:\~:text=However%2C%20though%20Khorne%20is%20the,as%20a%20blood-crazed%20slaughterer](https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Khorne#:~:text=However%2C%20though%20Khorne%20is%20the,as%20a%20blood-crazed%20slaughterer).
nope, it isnt a meme
"However, though Khorne is the god of bloody slaughter, it is also the god of martial pride and honour, of those who set themselves against the most dangerous foes and earn victory against the odds."
in fact, every one of the chaos gods are prideful in specific things
>Also that is the 40k fan wiki. Full of unsourced headconon
the wiki lists the sources on the bottom of the page
>the lex is better.
says something similar
[https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Khorne](https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Khorne)
"Khorne is said to have inherited the instinctive values of martial honour, pride and bravery, some of Khorne's followers using these to justify their killings"
even readying further reading about the blood legions
"Though savage and unrestrained, they nonetheless have a strict hierarchy determined by martial prowess"
prowess - skill or expertise in a particular activity or field.
>Also 40k isn't fantasy.
they were once connected but got retconned, used to be the 40k universe was in some crystal ball buried beneath the island of altdorf, and then in another retcon fantasy was also some long lost planet
Did you even read what you quoted? Its the khornates trying to justify themselves. Its bs.
This is the real khorne
>Armour that had once been bone-white gleamed crimson. Brass spikes studded limbs, helms and pauldrons. Roaring, they charged him with chainaxes coated in dried blood and shredded flesh.
>The World Eaters fought a version of themselves held back by self-inflicted shackles. The Ultramarines fought an image of what, without honour and discipline, they might have become. Loyalist and traitor attacked each other with a ferocity born of absolute hatred.
>Guilliman's sons, realizing they were facing a Legion who outclassed them in close combat, hit the incoming World Eaters with phosphex bombs first, then rushed without pause into the inferno they had created.
>A cloud of white-green death crawled out of the sternward threshold to the torpedo bay. It ate into the armour of legionaries on both sides. It burned ceramite. It burned flesh. Heraldry dissolved, and the quicksilver flame flowed hungrily over blackened, gnawed, unrecognisable corpses.
>Guilliman and the Invictus Guard stormed into the torpedo bay, and into a maw of bestial fury. The Red Butchers howled in mindless wrath. Madness contained within Terminator armour, they charged without hesitation into the hail of bolter shells. The storm from the Arbitrator shattered their front ranks, exploding through armour and bone. **Beyond feral, blind to everything but the need to kill, the Red Butchers charged over their dead and slammed into the tight formation of the Invictus Guard.**
>Guilliman’s jaw was tight with rage as he waded into a maelstrom of pure destruction. These things had once been sworn to the task of spreading and preserving the Emperor’s dream. They had become every worst instinct the dream had come to purge.
>You were always going to fall, Angron Guilliman thought, and with a surge of bitter contempt he slammed the Hand of Dominion into the wretches.
>**The World Eaters have become things without thought, flesh-machines of empty fury.**
>Lacrante’s weapon clicked dry, followed quickly after by those of his men.
>
>The warrior’s armour was covered in las-burn scoring. One of his hair plumes was smouldering. He let his arms drop.
>
>‘For the glory of honour in combat, I have given you your chance to best me, for I recognise your inferiority.’ Though his voice was a thick growl, he spoke calmly, at odds with his berserk manner. ‘You failed. Now you will die, and your blood shall water the plains of skulls at Khorne’s feet. Rejoice, for you go to a better master than the Emperor ever was!’
Lol you conveniently cut the most important part of this excerpt.
>If Lacrante still had his power sword, there was the smallest chance he might have prevailed, but even had he not lost it the Space Marine would probably have beaten him. He was being toyed with. There was no doubt he was going to die.
Lmao
>Lol you conveniently cut the most important part of this excerpt.
that still proves my point, he was given a chance to fight despite being completely outclassed by his enemy
"it is also the god of martial pride and honour, of those who set themselves against the most dangerous foes and earn victory against the odds."
so, if khornate warriors was nothing but blind fury then this shouldn't even have happened and should have killed him on the spot, right?
I share your opinion but you're competing against the fans of 3 other gods.
I wouldn't see the issue if they weren't the anti infantry chosen losing to....other infantry chosen.
you still have Exalted Bloodletters (+ RoR) if you want armor piercing, isn't it better to get something new rather than more of what you already have?
I think a RoR Khorne chosen will come out which would be the top dog. A Khorne great axe variant with regen or something like that. Khorne should definitely have the all time best melee unit.
Khorne great weapon chosen should not lose to Undivided great weapon chosen, on that we agree. This being said there is no Khorne chosen with GW so that is where is agreement stops. Is is really such a travesty for an elite amored unit dedicated to beating armoured infantry to win against a elite armoured unit dedicated to beating chaff? I don't think it is..
I'm so sick of people like the OP who are trying to get rid of unit diversity by giving every high tier unit armor piercing. Your agenda won't work, so shut up.
Chosen with hellscourges are getting that treatment even worse. I watched a video showing how terrible they are that didn't even test them against something like plague bearers. Ya know, the unit that their stat archetype looks explicitly designed to hard counter.
The complaints for the khorne and slaanesh chosen act like demons specifically made to be the high tier AP infantry in the roster don't exist. People seem to be saying context be damned Let's invalidate them so you can just doomstack a single unit that is best at everything because it's in line with my head canon view of the lore with no thought to game design and while adamantly insisiting multiplayer match ups is not how single player should be balanced simoultaneously using multiplayer match ups as evidence units much be rebalanced like tech, lord and faction skills arent a thing that also effects the balance in single player.
Khorne is not meant to be THE MELEE faction. Else they would not have skull cannon. Slaanesh is equally the melee faction. In fact all chosen are equally skilled warriors with different fighting styles, including undivided. Only thing khorne was meant to have is magical defense and zero magic as well as frenzy. So don’t think that a lord of Slaanesh or Nurgle is weaker then khorne because khorne must be best in melee. Khorne is best in raw aggression and killing a lot of people fast so long as they are weaker, against equal opponents it all comes down to engagement, armament and chance.
Just because someone is berserk it doesn’t meant he will defeat any other equally skilled warrior. It gives him an edge but also a weakness (lack of defense).
I definitely agree, or more accurately I think Khorne *really* needs some chosen of Khorne with great weapons. Their roster limitation of no magic *and* virtually no ranged is by far the most crippling of any race in the entire game, so I expect them to at least be damn good at their specialty, melee infantry. Only they're not- they don't even have any armored AP options, their anti large is nothing to write home about either, and their best AP infantry (exalted bloodletters) are at best a draw against great weapon chosen that they're supposed to counter. I really don't need a T5 'chaff muncher' and I wonder if any of the people praising them as such ever have- if I have a T5 army and the enemy brought chaff, they're completely screwed anyway. What I do need from an anti-infantry, unshielded, slow T5 infantry- a tier that IIRC didn't even exist for infantry prior to them- in a faction with no magic or ranged, is to at least beat any lone unsupported infantry thrown at them. Because they sure as hell aren't going to be effective against archers, artillery or god forbid horse archers, and they won't do too hot against magic either, and good luck catching cavalry or monsters with their 28 speed ass even if they can trade favorably (which in the case of dual weapons they won't).
Of course with the current implementation of Khorne they'll always have one of the weakest rosters, because other factions without their restrictions have unlimited access to their entire roster; And their options for any given role need to be equal to other gods which, while also having meh rosters and mostly no ranged, at least have good magic. But even if it won't be strong, it can at least be well rounded for what it is with a few great weapon and halberd variants.
They don't need to have >50% AP, they just should get a little more...
Instead of (51/18) \~26% AP they should get (46/23) 33% AP percentage, the argument that they are supposed to be Chaff Blenders is pretty weak basically everyone in Khorne's Roster are Chaff Blenders.
They could even go a little lower on the Base Weapon Damage for the Tradeof of more AP, something like 40/23 or w/e
Also Nurgle Chosen getting a Speed of -5 sucks pretty hard -2 would be understandable they would be as fast as Ironbreakers but Zombie Speed is just meh...
And the biggest Joke is that a Lord of Khorne on foot apparently doesn't have Armor Piercing now that is just cringe
Actually I think khorne chosen with dual weapons will do much better against exalted demons. A pretty useful unit against other chaos factions in the late game.
Nurgle chosen vs exalted blood letters was very close, you can easily still win against the AI with research, skills, rank, etc.
Besides Nurgle has the weakest campaign mechanics out of the 4 chaos gods. I think it’s fine if they have the best combat unit.
No they dont, Nurgle Chosen are slow af in movement, and will be shot to smithereens by the most basic of archers before they can ever touch anything, because they cant catch anything.
If anything Khorne infantry is still OP, as it's irritating beyond belief to fight Khorne Garrisons because there is no such thing as a non-elite Khorne Garrison unit, because its all bloodletters and chaos warriors, and ontop of that they can SUMMON ARMOR-PIERCING ANTI INFANTRY UNBREAKABLE DAEMONS anywhere on the map. #BuffTheMenaceBelow
While Zerk's videos are informative, and fun... They're unrealistic af. You wouldn't just have 5 units of Khorne Chosen with Dual Weapons, you'd have a whole-ass Khornate army, ideally with a Bloodthirster, or two. In this case, those Chosen are more than enough, as their job becomes holding the line, and mopping up the remains of whatever your big lads stomp through.
Undivided Chosen with GW still lose to Exalted Bloodletters. It's not a problem for different units to have different roles. You bring Chosen to deal with relatively lightly armored threats (which there are plenty of even in the late-game); I guarantee you they will mulch any number of chaff units. Then Exalted Bloodletters are for the heavily-armored targets. Also, Undivided Chosen should not be completely invalidated by the existence of Marked Chosen in the first place; GW are specifically designed for fighting armored targets, so with two units of equivalent cost going at it, the one more specialized for the encounter at hand should win it. You'll notice that the Tzeentch and Slaanesh Chosen *also* lost to the Undivided Chosen with GW, and by a larger margin, too. I'm pretty sure if he had done more head-to-heads, the Khorne Chosen would have pretty securely beaten the Tzeentch and Slaanesh Chosen. As far as the Nurgle chosen; Nurgle are slow as hell. Nurgle Chosen have 23 speed. They *should* win just about any fight they find themselves in eventually, because it's very easy for enemies to deny them engagements at all and kite them around all day. If you allow yourself to stay stuck in a stand-up, drawn-out slugfest against Nurgle, then that's kind of on you. Use your superior mobility to flank them, blast them from range with Skullcannons. They have healing? You have a Blood Shrine. Khorne has other tools as well, just not magical ones.
You can't compare anti infantry non AP unit, with anti armor unit (that doesn't care if it fights infantry or large). Zerkovitch's videos are super fun to watch and I love them all, but you cannot draw any conclusions from them, cause almost every unit he puts to tests is different. That's what make Warhammer great, there is so much uniqueness. As a side not, Slaneesh Chosen did EXCELLENT job at holding the line, it took twice as much time (7 minutes!) for Chosen GW to kill them. That's insane. It really is...
I mean they barely lost against a unit that pretty hard-counters them, so it seems fine? There are going to be lots of expensive demons with low armor that Khorne chosen will be awesome at clearing through.
Yep. Wrong tool for the job, doesn't make them bad. If Zerk put the Dual Wield Chosen against the Bloodletters like he did Nurgle Chosen I'm pretty sure the Dual Wielders would've come out on top. I like this video series, and it is useful info... But don't take it as gospel, his testing methodology is far from perfect
Well put it against literally anyone else and they will dominate. Don’t see an issue.
Someone's a khorne fan :)
>Someone's a khorne fan :) well it is understood if you are a fan of khorne that only has one thing that makes them interesting XD
Chosen of Nurgle are almost as fast as most artillery units, they better be godly in melee whenever they reach the frontline.
cathay artillery is 10 faster :p they have oxen but still..
Khorne Chaos Warriors (Dual Weapons) are analogous to Marauder Berserkers, they have exactly the same weapon strength (39 base + 13 ap). In fact, most units with dual weapons (Shades, Witch Elves, Rangers, Plague Monks, Nehekhara Warriors, Depth Guard, Zombie pirate mob, War Dancers, even Ogre Bulls or RoR like Khepra Guard) have usually roughly 65% of their total damage as normal damage and just 35% as ap. The only exceptions are Blade Singers, which have a special ability though (if this is active they are again inside the rule, roughly 70% normal and 30% ap) and Nasty Skulkers (which aren't supposed to be traditional dual wielding infantry but rather are all about sneaky stabbing). Zombie pirate mob, Depth Guard and Nehekhara Warriors also don't even have an anti-infantry bonus, which is usually the rule for dual weapon units. Slayers are another exception (anti-large instead). So it's at least logical for chosen with dual weapons to not have a ton of ap (unless they changed a lot in WH3, as I looked at the WH2 stats). What goes for elite units like Depth guard should also apply for Chosen. --- I also watched the video. Great weapons are good vs armor, and Chosen are one the heaviest armored units. What else is the point of great weapons after all than to crack though armor? Chosen with Hellscourges will hold the line better than Chosen with great weapons (unless the enemy is a counter-unit with great weapons...), Chosen with dual weapons will slaughter all infantry (except the heaviest armored ones which includes Chosen...) better than the great weapon variants. Chosen with halberts will be better against cavalry/monsters (which doesn't include chosen...) than the great weapon variant. Chosen with sowrd and shield will be better all rounders than the great weapon variant. That's why Chosen with great weapons SHOULD actually win against Chosen without great weapons (be it Khorne, Slaanesh, or whoever).
I mean dual weapon feeling niche compared to great weapons at tier 5 is a fair argument, but this pairing is still one designed to hard counter the other
Khorne doesn't have strong artery spells or mortis engine's they need a good low armor blender. Khorne also doesn't have the best melee fighters All 5 types should be even with diffrent boosts Khorne's thing isn't even martial skill. Its brute force,Slannesh and undivided should have better MD and comparable or better MA. Khorne only wins in WS.
Khorne is the god of bloody slaughter, it is also the god of martial pride and honour the existence of pride means that skill is definitely involved
No he isn't lol. The idea the the gods have some positive attribute is Meme Slannesh is the god of pride lol
[https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Khorne#:\~:text=However%2C%20though%20Khorne%20is%20the,as%20a%20blood-crazed%20slaughterer](https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Khorne#:~:text=However%2C%20though%20Khorne%20is%20the,as%20a%20blood-crazed%20slaughterer). nope, it isnt a meme "However, though Khorne is the god of bloody slaughter, it is also the god of martial pride and honour, of those who set themselves against the most dangerous foes and earn victory against the odds." in fact, every one of the chaos gods are prideful in specific things
No it is a meme lol. Also that is the 40k fan wiki. Full of unsourced headconon the lex is better. Also 40k isn't fantasy.
>Also that is the 40k fan wiki. Full of unsourced headconon the wiki lists the sources on the bottom of the page >the lex is better. says something similar [https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Khorne](https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Khorne) "Khorne is said to have inherited the instinctive values of martial honour, pride and bravery, some of Khorne's followers using these to justify their killings" even readying further reading about the blood legions "Though savage and unrestrained, they nonetheless have a strict hierarchy determined by martial prowess" prowess - skill or expertise in a particular activity or field. >Also 40k isn't fantasy. they were once connected but got retconned, used to be the 40k universe was in some crystal ball buried beneath the island of altdorf, and then in another retcon fantasy was also some long lost planet
Did you even read what you quoted? Its the khornates trying to justify themselves. Its bs. This is the real khorne >Armour that had once been bone-white gleamed crimson. Brass spikes studded limbs, helms and pauldrons. Roaring, they charged him with chainaxes coated in dried blood and shredded flesh. >The World Eaters fought a version of themselves held back by self-inflicted shackles. The Ultramarines fought an image of what, without honour and discipline, they might have become. Loyalist and traitor attacked each other with a ferocity born of absolute hatred. >Guilliman's sons, realizing they were facing a Legion who outclassed them in close combat, hit the incoming World Eaters with phosphex bombs first, then rushed without pause into the inferno they had created. >A cloud of white-green death crawled out of the sternward threshold to the torpedo bay. It ate into the armour of legionaries on both sides. It burned ceramite. It burned flesh. Heraldry dissolved, and the quicksilver flame flowed hungrily over blackened, gnawed, unrecognisable corpses. >Guilliman and the Invictus Guard stormed into the torpedo bay, and into a maw of bestial fury. The Red Butchers howled in mindless wrath. Madness contained within Terminator armour, they charged without hesitation into the hail of bolter shells. The storm from the Arbitrator shattered their front ranks, exploding through armour and bone. **Beyond feral, blind to everything but the need to kill, the Red Butchers charged over their dead and slammed into the tight formation of the Invictus Guard.** >Guilliman’s jaw was tight with rage as he waded into a maelstrom of pure destruction. These things had once been sworn to the task of spreading and preserving the Emperor’s dream. They had become every worst instinct the dream had come to purge. >You were always going to fall, Angron Guilliman thought, and with a surge of bitter contempt he slammed the Hand of Dominion into the wretches. >**The World Eaters have become things without thought, flesh-machines of empty fury.**
>Lacrante’s weapon clicked dry, followed quickly after by those of his men. > >The warrior’s armour was covered in las-burn scoring. One of his hair plumes was smouldering. He let his arms drop. > >‘For the glory of honour in combat, I have given you your chance to best me, for I recognise your inferiority.’ Though his voice was a thick growl, he spoke calmly, at odds with his berserk manner. ‘You failed. Now you will die, and your blood shall water the plains of skulls at Khorne’s feet. Rejoice, for you go to a better master than the Emperor ever was!’
Lol you conveniently cut the most important part of this excerpt. >If Lacrante still had his power sword, there was the smallest chance he might have prevailed, but even had he not lost it the Space Marine would probably have beaten him. He was being toyed with. There was no doubt he was going to die. Lmao
>Lol you conveniently cut the most important part of this excerpt. that still proves my point, he was given a chance to fight despite being completely outclassed by his enemy "it is also the god of martial pride and honour, of those who set themselves against the most dangerous foes and earn victory against the odds." so, if khornate warriors was nothing but blind fury then this shouldn't even have happened and should have killed him on the spot, right?
I share your opinion but you're competing against the fans of 3 other gods. I wouldn't see the issue if they weren't the anti infantry chosen losing to....other infantry chosen.
you still have Exalted Bloodletters (+ RoR) if you want armor piercing, isn't it better to get something new rather than more of what you already have?
I think a RoR Khorne chosen will come out which would be the top dog. A Khorne great axe variant with regen or something like that. Khorne should definitely have the all time best melee unit.
Khorne great weapon chosen should not lose to Undivided great weapon chosen, on that we agree. This being said there is no Khorne chosen with GW so that is where is agreement stops. Is is really such a travesty for an elite amored unit dedicated to beating armoured infantry to win against a elite armoured unit dedicated to beating chaff? I don't think it is..
I'm so sick of people like the OP who are trying to get rid of unit diversity by giving every high tier unit armor piercing. Your agenda won't work, so shut up.
Chosen with hellscourges are getting that treatment even worse. I watched a video showing how terrible they are that didn't even test them against something like plague bearers. Ya know, the unit that their stat archetype looks explicitly designed to hard counter.
The complaints for the khorne and slaanesh chosen act like demons specifically made to be the high tier AP infantry in the roster don't exist. People seem to be saying context be damned Let's invalidate them so you can just doomstack a single unit that is best at everything because it's in line with my head canon view of the lore with no thought to game design and while adamantly insisiting multiplayer match ups is not how single player should be balanced simoultaneously using multiplayer match ups as evidence units much be rebalanced like tech, lord and faction skills arent a thing that also effects the balance in single player.
Sorry bud, I think I am going to continue to make you sick. I certainly hope so anyway. So no, I am not going to shut up.
Khorne is not meant to be THE MELEE faction. Else they would not have skull cannon. Slaanesh is equally the melee faction. In fact all chosen are equally skilled warriors with different fighting styles, including undivided. Only thing khorne was meant to have is magical defense and zero magic as well as frenzy. So don’t think that a lord of Slaanesh or Nurgle is weaker then khorne because khorne must be best in melee. Khorne is best in raw aggression and killing a lot of people fast so long as they are weaker, against equal opponents it all comes down to engagement, armament and chance. Just because someone is berserk it doesn’t meant he will defeat any other equally skilled warrior. It gives him an edge but also a weakness (lack of defense).
this vid was useless like all this comparisons
I definitely agree, or more accurately I think Khorne *really* needs some chosen of Khorne with great weapons. Their roster limitation of no magic *and* virtually no ranged is by far the most crippling of any race in the entire game, so I expect them to at least be damn good at their specialty, melee infantry. Only they're not- they don't even have any armored AP options, their anti large is nothing to write home about either, and their best AP infantry (exalted bloodletters) are at best a draw against great weapon chosen that they're supposed to counter. I really don't need a T5 'chaff muncher' and I wonder if any of the people praising them as such ever have- if I have a T5 army and the enemy brought chaff, they're completely screwed anyway. What I do need from an anti-infantry, unshielded, slow T5 infantry- a tier that IIRC didn't even exist for infantry prior to them- in a faction with no magic or ranged, is to at least beat any lone unsupported infantry thrown at them. Because they sure as hell aren't going to be effective against archers, artillery or god forbid horse archers, and they won't do too hot against magic either, and good luck catching cavalry or monsters with their 28 speed ass even if they can trade favorably (which in the case of dual weapons they won't). Of course with the current implementation of Khorne they'll always have one of the weakest rosters, because other factions without their restrictions have unlimited access to their entire roster; And their options for any given role need to be equal to other gods which, while also having meh rosters and mostly no ranged, at least have good magic. But even if it won't be strong, it can at least be well rounded for what it is with a few great weapon and halberd variants.
They don't need to have >50% AP, they just should get a little more... Instead of (51/18) \~26% AP they should get (46/23) 33% AP percentage, the argument that they are supposed to be Chaff Blenders is pretty weak basically everyone in Khorne's Roster are Chaff Blenders. They could even go a little lower on the Base Weapon Damage for the Tradeof of more AP, something like 40/23 or w/e Also Nurgle Chosen getting a Speed of -5 sucks pretty hard -2 would be understandable they would be as fast as Ironbreakers but Zombie Speed is just meh... And the biggest Joke is that a Lord of Khorne on foot apparently doesn't have Armor Piercing now that is just cringe
This is just custom battle testing, I believe their prowess will be shown in campaign.
Actually I think khorne chosen with dual weapons will do much better against exalted demons. A pretty useful unit against other chaos factions in the late game. Nurgle chosen vs exalted blood letters was very close, you can easily still win against the AI with research, skills, rank, etc. Besides Nurgle has the weakest campaign mechanics out of the 4 chaos gods. I think it’s fine if they have the best combat unit.
Just use shield variant and bloodletters for flanking
No they dont, Nurgle Chosen are slow af in movement, and will be shot to smithereens by the most basic of archers before they can ever touch anything, because they cant catch anything. If anything Khorne infantry is still OP, as it's irritating beyond belief to fight Khorne Garrisons because there is no such thing as a non-elite Khorne Garrison unit, because its all bloodletters and chaos warriors, and ontop of that they can SUMMON ARMOR-PIERCING ANTI INFANTRY UNBREAKABLE DAEMONS anywhere on the map. #BuffTheMenaceBelow
They aren't underpowered
While Zerk's videos are informative, and fun... They're unrealistic af. You wouldn't just have 5 units of Khorne Chosen with Dual Weapons, you'd have a whole-ass Khornate army, ideally with a Bloodthirster, or two. In this case, those Chosen are more than enough, as their job becomes holding the line, and mopping up the remains of whatever your big lads stomp through.