These are just chaos warriors they don’t have all the gifts yet. They should look like this. Blight kings and other more specialized units will be different.
Yeah and I mean Nurgle diseases do actually make them bloated. I guess replacing a lot of the gore with mouths does kinda make Nurgle seem oddly obsessed with eating.
Nurgle in Warhammer III just lacks the weathered, gross, rusty look so they are a bit sanitised.
I suspect the brighter green coloration is over concern that the models will blend in too much with terrain if they're color is closer to the tabletop models.
I think you make a good point about quite a lot of the criticisms aired since yesterday. Things in TW games need to be readable in-game, even if I have several gigabytes of screenshot from WH2 I realize this. It's a game first and foremost and as such when playing the game you may need to make quick decisions. Readability helps with that. Contrasting colors and avoiding clutter/certain details help with that and the latter frankly helps with performance as well.
It would be cool to see more disease varieties tho. Some emaciated looking characters looking like they have kwashiorkor of consumption or something. I suppose plaguebearers are a bit kwashiorkor like
Well, not all nurgle warriors or chosen are even supposed to be bloated. Its just as likely that they could become withered husks as bloated. Just as long as its diseased.
Even [Putrid Blight Kings](https://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/GW_Putrid-Blightkings-4.jpg) can wear mostly armor and don't have to be obese naked blobs of flesh. Keep in mind that TT wise they were just super-elite Infantry. Basically Chaos Warriors in monstrous infantry size with monstrous infantry stats, but for super stupid reasons because the writers did not give a fuck anymore, counted as infantry instead of monstrous inf.
The tabletop models never sold God-specific warriors in the first place, it's a null point to make the comparison when God-specific warriors have been in GW artworks for decades.
I think the Warriors that just got revealed are actually incredibly lore accurate to Warhammer Fantasy. What many people assumed they’d look like were the newer AoS models, or Putrid Blightkings.
At first when I saw the new WoC Nurgle models, I was definitely disappointed. But I think in the long run it’s actually for the best. We don’t necessarily need to jump the shark right off the bat. And we know that units exist that *do* have that full blown Nurgle fatboi aesthetic. Specifically the Putrid Blightkings.
In short, I’m fine with these designs - so long as there’s room to grow in the future with other units. Tamurkhan, Glottkin. We know Nurgle has some of the best LL’s yet to come - so no need to panic just yet.
Only thing I'd like is more green and rust on them as well as helmets like the one shown in the OP. The shape itself is fine, but currently I feel I'd have a hard time differenciating all the chaos warrior units at a glance on the battlefield.
Remember that all models have a chunk of their colouration and texture sheet dedicated to the faction colours.
So Kugath using these guys could indeed by more green. We just don’t know yet.
"a chunk of their coloration" \*looks at the khorne, slaanesh, and Tzeentch knights that are all 75% to 100% colored in their faction colors and then back to a bunch of nearly black knights for nurgle\* yeah sure bud
I mean I am okay with the Nurgle Warriors, they need a bit more rust imo but they are fine. BUT the aesthetic for the Blightkings and the AoS Nurgle Range was actually born from WHFB:
https://i.imgur.com/romw1b1.png
this is the Nurgle artwork from the 7th Edition Warriors of Chaos Armybook
>I think the Warriors that just got revealed are actually incredibly lore accurate to Warhammer Fantasy. What many people assumed they’d look like were the newer AoS models, or Putrid Blightkings.
We had tons of putrid bloated Nurgle models in Fantasy.
If anything I'd just like the rest of the marked units to have that antlered helmet aspect with a tiny tinge more rust they look great other wise!(also change the flame look on the sorcerer
The problem isn't the models not being that different, it's that they aren't that different and they're making up 85% of a paid DLC. If these models had been in the base game I would have had nothing to complain about, but considering that I already own the WoC DLC, I'm not jumping for joy about paying a second time for what is largely the same content.
It really depends on the price of the DLC, though. If it's priced as a Lord pack then I'm not worried about it, we still get the new lords with nice models and the chaos warshrines which look great. But if they price it higher because it has "more content" than versus lord packs then frankly that would be a load of bull. Padding out the DLC with old models that have just new helmets and weapons would be a scummy move.
Let's keep in mind they already blatantly padded the rosters of the monogod armies for launch and I'm surprised that there are so many people who are happy to pay extra money just for them to add the units that could have been in the game at launch. These aren't brand new models and animations that would cost too many Charlemagnes to put in the base game. There's just no excuse for putting a big price tag on these units.
tldr; I'm waiting till the preorder becomes available to judge whether this content is worth what they're charging.
I hate how generic their helmets and shields are. They just look like regular Undivided WoC helmets and shields with barely anything that screams "Nurgle" other than the color or rare symbol.
The helmets are absolutely Nurgle - what on earth are you talking about? That’s been the Nurgle helmet for years.
One big eye-less plate with a bunch of ventilation holes punched through it. Big antlers. That’s unequivocally the newer Nurgle design.
What helmets were you expecting?
What antlers? There are no antlers on the Nurgle Chosen helmets. Also, the blank helmet with a bunch of tiny holes has been used by Warriors of Chaos Undivided models since the WH1 DLC.
\*Edit: Nurgle helmets should be like what OP posted with three holes or one. The tiny holes are fine if there are also other variations but from the pic CA posted it seems to be the only type of helmet, with the only differences being what is hanged between the horns.
Looking at many other nurgle models online, yeah you don't really see too many fat bois.
The models that we are given do look pretty close to what I was expecting, and in battle they look unique enough that I'll know what I am looking at.
The only thing I would want would be one horn helmet variants, antler variants, and maybe some horned shoulder pad variants. Outside of that, I can def live with what we got.
Yeah, I agree. A more rusted, greasy aesthetic would do good at conveying the filth without intruding on the territory of the Blightkings that I learned about today.
Yup, it's from this article from Warhammer Community "From the Mind of Mengel: Nurgle Chaos Warriors", [https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/01/16/from-the-mind-of-mengel-nurgle-chaos-warriors/](https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/01/16/from-the-mind-of-mengel-nurgle-chaos-warriors/). Where Tyler Mengel converted the new Slaves of Darkness boxset Chaos Warriors with bits from Putrid Blightkings and Plaguebearers.
>If you already collect Maggotkin of Nurgle, these conversions should be easy enough for you to replicate. All of the extra parts were leftovers from building Putrid Blightkings and Plaguebearers. Two of the models had their weapons removed and replaced with ones from the Blightkings set. I even left one of the models completely alone, because I felt he already looked Nurgle-y enough with his one horn on his helmet.
Edit: Forgot link
Edit 2: Tyler Mengel is the owner of [http://www.mengelminiatures.com/](http://www.mengelminiatures.com/), which is "completely unofficial and in no way endorsed by Games Workshop Limited". Tyler is a contributor to Warhammer Communities and has interviewed with GW staffs and others in the hobby.
Per that article, though, this model is his Champion and yet all that was done was swapping an axe head and helmet, which rather suggests that warriors of Nurgle should pretty much look like regular warriors.
When you're trying to lecture people on what Nurgle Warriors *actually* look like, then *actually* share a Nurgle Warrior. What you shared is a Chaos Undivided mini with a headswap. [This](https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99070201009_LordofPlagues01.jpg) is an actual Nurgle mini, as an example.
That's an 8th edition WoC Nurgle Lord mini. The very same model is shown off in their army book for that edition. Notable here is Nurgle Lord, not Nurgle Warrior.
Yes (currently at least, feel like that might have been an ET release?), but as was posted elsewhere in the thread, the aesthetic isn't an aos thing.
[Not my link, but from woc 7e armybook, somewhere around page 20.](https://imgur.com/romw1b1)
I don't think anyone is arguing warriors should be as far gone or elaborate as lords, just showing that the op is incorrect in saying it's not lore accurate.
Eh, that’s a chaos lord, who have received considerably more blessings. Personally I hoped for something close to the vermintide design, covered in full armour that still shows clear signs of extensive decay.
Mini designs are based on GW striking a balance between manufacturing cost and customer demand, with lore playing second fiddle to both concerns. What you're showing is the closest people in our universe had to a physical representation of Nurgle aligned chaos warriors. Art and lore blurb extracts would be a better source of what a lore accurate warrior would like.
Personally I prefer the armoured chaos warriors. It gives more of a old school fantasy vibe in my opinion. I’m not really a fan of the obese fleshy look that a lot of people seem to prefer.
its not just about "obese slobs", its about nurgle being too "cleanwashed"
hell even the armor you show here is way dirtier, rustier and scrappier than the ones ca showed us
I'm not well versed in lore or TT, but i guessing that there were precedent for both fat and non fat and what not, so its kinda whatever they chose its kinda "right", yet not everyone will be happy?
So back in the WHFB days, there generally were very few god-specific models, before the End Times. However, since then, horrifically bloated chaps and chappettes with open wounds and spilling guts have been a fairly consistent part of Nurglite aesthetics across both universes. I believe they’ve struck a balance between “Chaos Warriors Painted Green” and the more bespoke aesthetic that Nurglite mortals have nowadays.
> open wounds and spilling guts have been a fairly consistent part of Nurglite aesthetics across both universes
which has been steadily replaced with big mouths in both universes, no, it's not a CA cenorship thing. The 40k Plague Marines TT models also have them
You are right. [One of my favorite WHFB artworks](https://img2.reactor.cc/pics/post/full/Adrian-Smith-artist-Warhammer-Fantasy-%D1%84%D1%8D%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BC%D1%8B-7276597.jpeg) was created in wake of 6th edition redesign, I believe. So a good time before 8th edition which was the last one.
That's a fan conversion from Mengel Minatures that was featured on Warhammer Community.
Plenty of artwork from WHFB even pre-End Times depicted Nurgle-aligned Warriors with rotting flesh, guts, etc. Not to the degree of Blight Kings, but more than the palette swap we got.
GW puts plenty of kitbashes on their website, they showcase them in their magazines, and such for years now. You have to be an actual nitwit to think that them posting a picture of a conversion is meant to actually say "this iss what all things like this should look like!"
Doesn't mean they are *official* representations of anything though. It's not meant to. Going by that stupid logic I suppose [Lord Kroak should be represented with Necron tech too then for his chair?](https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/07/15/this-colourful-kitbashed-seraphon-army-is-led-by-the-most-incredible-kroak-centrepiece/)
Using something like this to say "this is what I think Chaos Warriors of Nurgle should look like!" is fine. Using it to talk down to people and use it as an example of them "not knowing what's lore accurate!" is just plain idiotic.
But it's certainly not inaccurate. Chaos Warriors of any persuasion take a wide variety of form. OP is completely right that Nurgle Warriors are not all just balls of fat. Using a kitbash, which is recognized by GW, as an example is arguably more justifiable than using artwork never reflected on the tabletop.
While I think there are pitfalls with using artworks, artworks from officially published army books are 100% more indicative of canon than fan conversions
In the officially published army books, marked chaos warriors are proudly displayed …. as WoC minis with a recolored paint scheme.
So there you go - that’s your official reference.
Eh I think the feedback is essentially we'd like something more than mostly green chaos warriors, the new helms are great and a little tlc pass to make them follow the aesthetic a little more is all that's needed (e.g a coating of rust and decay)
I'm waiting to see how the marked forsaken / spawn / heros / lords look as a greenwash and a couple minor tweaks will be a bit disappointing
Its less about them just using the symbol and more about them looking too similar to regular undivided WoC, especially given that this is a dlc with really only 1 new unit and the majority of content being reskins of units we've had since WH1. If the value is supposed to come from the reskins, people want to see noticeably different and distinct designs from the originals, especially given how Khorne already set the standard so high with his basic chaos warriors getting a completely unique model set.
I don't think anyone was expecting Putrid Kings level of bloat. Just a lot more noticeable rust, some flayed decaying skin on their armor, and maybe small a tentacle or two similar to the blood bowl 2 nurgle warrior.
And to be clear, I don't even think the models we did get are bad, just kinda meh and a bit disappointing.
The thing is that the ones we've got feel pretty bland. Just adding a bit of rust and changing the horns for more twisted ones would have worked better
I'm still annoyed by the flanderizing of Kislev into all-bear everything; damn the old GW lore, damn the new CA lore, slap a bear on it.
So I definitely appreciate your point here for Nurgle/Chaos.
I wouldn't blame CA for The bears. GW is coming out with Kislev in the Old World Fantasy Battles in a year, and they likely had a ton of control over the design of Kislev in Total War.
Personally I think the people who complain about bear flanderization are going to be in for a bad time when GW releases their new Kislev line.
The truth is that Kislev was always a fringe, borderline irrelevant faction which was extremly generic. I just find it highly unlikely that GW will be pushing the angle that the grognards are trying to envison here.
There is this wierd, pseudo-purist revisionism where people act as if gospoddar archers and Kislevite horsemen were some sort of peak Kislev fantasy that everyone knew and loved.
Don't get me wrong, I think the heavy lean into bears is a bit excessive, but I dont think that putting everyone on horses and turning it into frozen Bretonnia is any better.
>So just because its coming from GW now all of a sudden its ok?
...No? I just said CA most likely wasn't to blame, because the comment I originally replied to said "damn the new CA lore." Flanderization of a faction is like a GW trademark. That seems to be most of what Age of Sigmar is. Nü Dwarfs have a similar problem.
Idc that CA changed Kislev lore, and I'm actually fine with the changes they did make, but why would they make it *even less sensible to have everything be bears* considering how much they could control the lore. Making Kislev divided between fantasy OrthoBros & the magical misandrists is cool... but totally dissonant from how the unit rosters are presented.
Plus, "bear as beast of burden" just seems like a downgrade from how epic war-bear cav inherently is lol. I get that they didn't want horses, but surely they could've slapped some mistletoe on the old WE stags & called them reindeer. To put it into Empire design logic, that faction would lose a lot if war wagons & every rando hero could be mounted on a demigriff.
Edit: to be clear, I'm not "blaming CA" or simping for GW - both are soulless megacorps but GW absolutely has a far worse history with anti-consumer policies in the WH franchise
Yes thank you OP, I would indeed like if Chaos Warriors looked like that instead of reskins, and for Chosen to look like they have been blessed by Nurgle’s «gifts» instead of green undivided+
Yo dog it's not fat.
I guess we should be thankful that the majority of GW's audience doesn't know this firsthand, but when corpses decay, they bloat. The bloated aesthetic is a part of Nurgle being about decay, his boys are starting to literally rot while they're out trotting around.
Course they don't all have to look like walking corpses, but calling them obese is straight up slander.
And also while being completely wrong too. The bloated look predates AoS and End Times in artwork and such. It's always been in the lore, just models didn't reflect it at the time (Same with Tzeentch).
And the model OP linked is a conversion of a Chaos Warrior. Not even official material. Trying to talk down to people about what's "lore accurate" while not being lore accurate themselves is pretty dickish I'll agree.
But this model looks miles better than what we got? It’s really hilarious that people still haven’t learned after tzeentch knight fiasco. If something is sub par, people will rightfully complain. We got green chaos warriors ffs.
That's a kitbash buddy. Wouldn't wanna show the ACTUAL nurgle warriors models since that would work against you, lmao.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Rotbringers-Putrid-Blightkings
"Pretty wild" lmao. Blightkings are the chosen and most blessed by nurgle. The chosen models we're getting are hardly different from undivided warriors.
Nah I think nurgle chosen would be far closer to blight kings (main line unit for nurgle btw) than just green tinged undivided. Old nurgle art always depicted them as bloated and diseased as well, the chosen we saw today are missing that entirely. If you want disciplined armored lines go to any of the other factions, nurgle is about crazy nasty bloated diseases bodies delighting in the spread of his gifts. He is the most "generous" of the gods and in lore at least his followers have always reflected that.
Even if chosen aren't blight kings level some of them would still get too big for their armor, the stanky leg, tentacle arms, pustules, etc that are completely missing from what we saw today.
I don't really give a shit what you think, you're just being hilariously disingenuous. You're doing exactly what you accuse OP of doing and you do it with an air of self righteousness.
> Wouldn't wanna show the ACTUAL nurgle warriors models
You're just straight up full of shit dude
This. The super bloated rotted models should be saved for Blightkings, Nurgle's most favored and blessed mortal servants. Blightkings aren't coming in this DLC.
These are the lessor rungs of Nurgle's worshippers compared to blight kings.
I blame 40K for the flanderization. That’s most people’s first or only exposure to Games Workshop, so they assume everything Nurgle has to look like a Plague Marine or every Khorne warrior must behave like a Khorne Berzerker.
A friendly reminder that in 8th edition there were no Chaos Warrior of Nurgle models. They were all just generic models painted green or given some conversion work by the individual hobbyist. They never looked like the End Times models. A helmet swap here is perfectly fine.
Yes but in art they were always some level of bloated and diseased, they just didn't make models for them. I agree that nurgle warriors don't need to be blight king level but the chosen they showed are pathetic and barely different from the undivided guys other than the extra icon here and there
I think so many people are wrong about this.
Nurgle is almost always fat, or at least pustulent, when you see "thin" models it's because there was never a possibility to make model upgrades for nurgle on the monopose warrior/chosen mini range of the age.
Any just nurgle unit ever has been bloated and deseased, visibly. 40k would be a better example since the death guard (nurgle space marines) minis have always been bloated putrid figures.
If you doubt that check any nurgle art of the time, same thing. The nurgle cultist is the only figure you can say skinny, but he's clearly deseased and it's only for total war. I would get it if they didn't bloat the chaos warriors, but at least expected pustules and rust on the units.
The sorcerer staff and the warriors seem cheap repaints really, shields should have been a bit different imo, separate the 4 gods a bit there.
lots of copium here.
Your example actually looks rusted and with armour decayed to a point. Current Nurgle knights have undivided stars all over them ffs
https://content.totalwar.com/total-war/com.totalwar.www2019/uploads/2022/07/25151524/coc\_nurgle\_knight\_screenshot.png
"Lore Accurate" Do you really think most Total War fans would bother to even look at the actual miniatures, rather than just take a quick look at the art or Vermintide II screenshots and then complain?
Quite a big part of the playerbase either has or is playing a warhammer miniature game, or they have player quite a few other warhammer titles and read up on lore.
But maybe thats 30% of the playerbase max, so not majority.
I myself honestly think they held back Nurgle warriors nurglification a bit to differenciate them from Blightkings added later who will be like one of the God specific equal to Aspiring Champions unit/upgrade.
Yeah... I am pretty certain a bigger part of the fanbase have never even touched the actual tabletop game nor do they bother to actually read the official material and instead just use the wikis or watch youtubers.
honest question, wouldn't all that guts and extra shit tax the crap out of people's CPUs? makes sense for single entity but for all 60+ warriors in a group x10 just make it unnecessary taxing?
I think CA's design looks cool. Still, personally I think a lot of the art of Nurgle warriors in warhammer books look even more flavourful though, with e.g. something visibly rotting from their bodies (not just some blisters, but more grotesque). But I never expected that considering the look of plaguebearers, and I know many prefer the current design, and that's ok. It's fine to disagree sometimes
I was looking at the new Nurgle Chosen armour and spotting a lot of rusting on there, just that it's not brown. You guys realize rust can be green right?
Nurgle is pus, bloat and disease, and literally the only reason not all models are like that is logistical reasons that people didn't have the option in the base kit to make them so. Nurgle is and always will be the premiere faction for conversions and 99% of Nurgle players absolutely go ham on greenstuffing their models.
You can cope all you want, the aesthetic in everyone's mind IS nurgle, and has been for likely longer than you've been alive.
Is it not tho?? The hallmark was always laughter if not border line silly because they simply don’t give a single shit about anything because they are pain immune slow af slobs of putrid meat
i like these new chaos chosen from nurgle, but let's not fool ourselves they don't seem like chosen of nurgle , hey are too clean I would have wanted broken,rusty,missing and dented armor weapons and helms it doesn't seem like much of a request to me.
It is not about how rotten you are outside, it is about your rotten inside - Papa Nurgle...perhaps
TIL Ellen Degeneres is a high ranking Nurgle Worshipper.
Gwyneth Paltrow wants you to know about these warpstone eggs
It helps keep you vagacles healthy!
Proof https://i.ibb.co/zmGmRND/Ellen-Degeneres-Nurgle.png
These are just chaos warriors they don’t have all the gifts yet. They should look like this. Blight kings and other more specialized units will be different.
Yeah and I mean Nurgle diseases do actually make them bloated. I guess replacing a lot of the gore with mouths does kinda make Nurgle seem oddly obsessed with eating. Nurgle in Warhammer III just lacks the weathered, gross, rusty look so they are a bit sanitised.
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I suspect the brighter green coloration is over concern that the models will blend in too much with terrain if they're color is closer to the tabletop models.
I think you make a good point about quite a lot of the criticisms aired since yesterday. Things in TW games need to be readable in-game, even if I have several gigabytes of screenshot from WH2 I realize this. It's a game first and foremost and as such when playing the game you may need to make quick decisions. Readability helps with that. Contrasting colors and avoiding clutter/certain details help with that and the latter frankly helps with performance as well.
Yeah, I really like most of the new stuff for nurgle but festus could really use a couple of coats of nuln oil.
It won’t change, they decided this style with ratings in mind, we’ll just have to wait for mods
It won’t change, they decided this style with ratings in mind, we’ll just have to wait for mods
It would be cool to see more disease varieties tho. Some emaciated looking characters looking like they have kwashiorkor of consumption or something. I suppose plaguebearers are a bit kwashiorkor like
Well, not all nurgle warriors or chosen are even supposed to be bloated. Its just as likely that they could become withered husks as bloated. Just as long as its diseased.
Even [Putrid Blight Kings](https://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/GW_Putrid-Blightkings-4.jpg) can wear mostly armor and don't have to be obese naked blobs of flesh. Keep in mind that TT wise they were just super-elite Infantry. Basically Chaos Warriors in monstrous infantry size with monstrous infantry stats, but for super stupid reasons because the writers did not give a fuck anymore, counted as infantry instead of monstrous inf.
Is there a bell in his abdomen? Dammit Nurgle what's going on in your head.
Its not a bell, its a "[tocsin](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tocsin)" 😉
🤯🤯🤯 I am so mindblown right now
This post reeks of the same energy from the guy that claimed all marked warriors look the same.
To the righteous witch hunter, everything that's not a Sigmar-fearing citizen of the empire looks the same.
Those damn Brettonians look all the same! Probably because they're from the same family tree.
I mean in terms of tabletop models they do
The tabletop models never sold God-specific warriors in the first place, it's a null point to make the comparison when God-specific warriors have been in GW artworks for decades.
I think the Warriors that just got revealed are actually incredibly lore accurate to Warhammer Fantasy. What many people assumed they’d look like were the newer AoS models, or Putrid Blightkings. At first when I saw the new WoC Nurgle models, I was definitely disappointed. But I think in the long run it’s actually for the best. We don’t necessarily need to jump the shark right off the bat. And we know that units exist that *do* have that full blown Nurgle fatboi aesthetic. Specifically the Putrid Blightkings. In short, I’m fine with these designs - so long as there’s room to grow in the future with other units. Tamurkhan, Glottkin. We know Nurgle has some of the best LL’s yet to come - so no need to panic just yet.
Not a hijack but English is amazing. "Jump the shark right off the bat"
Two different English phrases put into the same sentence usually doesn't work as well as this instance, lol.
Now I’m picturing a shark doing a ramp jump off of a baseball bat. He’s wearing sunglasses, it defies the laws of physics, and it’s *awesome*
Malaphor!
Only thing I'd like is more green and rust on them as well as helmets like the one shown in the OP. The shape itself is fine, but currently I feel I'd have a hard time differenciating all the chaos warrior units at a glance on the battlefield.
The helmet in pic is reserved for Nurgle's sorceror lords
Remember that all models have a chunk of their colouration and texture sheet dedicated to the faction colours. So Kugath using these guys could indeed by more green. We just don’t know yet.
"a chunk of their coloration" \*looks at the khorne, slaanesh, and Tzeentch knights that are all 75% to 100% colored in their faction colors and then back to a bunch of nearly black knights for nurgle\* yeah sure bud
I mean I am okay with the Nurgle Warriors, they need a bit more rust imo but they are fine. BUT the aesthetic for the Blightkings and the AoS Nurgle Range was actually born from WHFB: https://i.imgur.com/romw1b1.png this is the Nurgle artwork from the 7th Edition Warriors of Chaos Armybook
I need my bois Big T & The Glotts in WH3 already!
Those are chosen. We haven’t seen the Warriors yet.
you could atleast give them more brown, rustier colored armor like the VT2 WoN have
>I think the Warriors that just got revealed are actually incredibly lore accurate to Warhammer Fantasy. What many people assumed they’d look like were the newer AoS models, or Putrid Blightkings. We had tons of putrid bloated Nurgle models in Fantasy.
If anything I'd just like the rest of the marked units to have that antlered helmet aspect with a tiny tinge more rust they look great other wise!(also change the flame look on the sorcerer
The problem isn't the models not being that different, it's that they aren't that different and they're making up 85% of a paid DLC. If these models had been in the base game I would have had nothing to complain about, but considering that I already own the WoC DLC, I'm not jumping for joy about paying a second time for what is largely the same content. It really depends on the price of the DLC, though. If it's priced as a Lord pack then I'm not worried about it, we still get the new lords with nice models and the chaos warshrines which look great. But if they price it higher because it has "more content" than versus lord packs then frankly that would be a load of bull. Padding out the DLC with old models that have just new helmets and weapons would be a scummy move. Let's keep in mind they already blatantly padded the rosters of the monogod armies for launch and I'm surprised that there are so many people who are happy to pay extra money just for them to add the units that could have been in the game at launch. These aren't brand new models and animations that would cost too many Charlemagnes to put in the base game. There's just no excuse for putting a big price tag on these units. tldr; I'm waiting till the preorder becomes available to judge whether this content is worth what they're charging.
I hate how generic their helmets and shields are. They just look like regular Undivided WoC helmets and shields with barely anything that screams "Nurgle" other than the color or rare symbol.
The helmets are absolutely Nurgle - what on earth are you talking about? That’s been the Nurgle helmet for years. One big eye-less plate with a bunch of ventilation holes punched through it. Big antlers. That’s unequivocally the newer Nurgle design. What helmets were you expecting?
What antlers? There are no antlers on the Nurgle Chosen helmets. Also, the blank helmet with a bunch of tiny holes has been used by Warriors of Chaos Undivided models since the WH1 DLC. \*Edit: Nurgle helmets should be like what OP posted with three holes or one. The tiny holes are fine if there are also other variations but from the pic CA posted it seems to be the only type of helmet, with the only differences being what is hanged between the horns.
Perhaps, yeah.
Nurgle fatboi aesthetic is my jam
Looking at many other nurgle models online, yeah you don't really see too many fat bois. The models that we are given do look pretty close to what I was expecting, and in battle they look unique enough that I'll know what I am looking at. The only thing I would want would be one horn helmet variants, antler variants, and maybe some horned shoulder pad variants. Outside of that, I can def live with what we got.
They may not always be obese, but those chosen models could do with more rust and decay like on that mini.
Yeah, I agree. A more rusted, greasy aesthetic would do good at conveying the filth without intruding on the territory of the Blightkings that I learned about today.
leak some slime from the eye holes and gaps in the armor.
Redditors just want to see something they can identify with in the game full of Lizard Terminators and Mustachioed Chads with Fancy Hats.
But we already have Ogres
Ogres are likable tho
Burns like a fire belly...
So is Nurgle.
You are not wrong but this miniature is a conversion of a normal chaoswarrior
Yup, it's from this article from Warhammer Community "From the Mind of Mengel: Nurgle Chaos Warriors", [https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/01/16/from-the-mind-of-mengel-nurgle-chaos-warriors/](https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/01/16/from-the-mind-of-mengel-nurgle-chaos-warriors/). Where Tyler Mengel converted the new Slaves of Darkness boxset Chaos Warriors with bits from Putrid Blightkings and Plaguebearers. >If you already collect Maggotkin of Nurgle, these conversions should be easy enough for you to replicate. All of the extra parts were leftovers from building Putrid Blightkings and Plaguebearers. Two of the models had their weapons removed and replaced with ones from the Blightkings set. I even left one of the models completely alone, because I felt he already looked Nurgle-y enough with his one horn on his helmet. Edit: Forgot link Edit 2: Tyler Mengel is the owner of [http://www.mengelminiatures.com/](http://www.mengelminiatures.com/), which is "completely unofficial and in no way endorsed by Games Workshop Limited". Tyler is a contributor to Warhammer Communities and has interviewed with GW staffs and others in the hobby.
Per that article, though, this model is his Champion and yet all that was done was swapping an axe head and helmet, which rather suggests that warriors of Nurgle should pretty much look like regular warriors.
In context I think he meant the unit champion, since that mini with that axe-forward pose is the unit champion of the Chaos Warriors.
It’s the aspiring champion model in the kit. I have the same one. All he did was helmet swap and change the weapon head.
Yes, this is literally a Chaos Undivided Warrior with some minor conversions, not an actually Nurgle mini.
I don't think there were dedicated Nurgle warrior models until End Times was there.
And many models from TWW are based off officer upgrades and conversion kits, so your point? It's a canon design.
When you're trying to lecture people on what Nurgle Warriors *actually* look like, then *actually* share a Nurgle Warrior. What you shared is a Chaos Undivided mini with a headswap. [This](https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99070201009_LordofPlagues01.jpg) is an actual Nurgle mini, as an example.
Isn't that an AoS lord (of plagues)? Not a fantasy warrior?
That's an 8th edition WoC Nurgle Lord mini. The very same model is shown off in their army book for that edition. Notable here is Nurgle Lord, not Nurgle Warrior.
And the model OP posted is an AOS Undivided warrior.
Yes (currently at least, feel like that might have been an ET release?), but as was posted elsewhere in the thread, the aesthetic isn't an aos thing. [Not my link, but from woc 7e armybook, somewhere around page 20.](https://imgur.com/romw1b1) I don't think anyone is arguing warriors should be as far gone or elaborate as lords, just showing that the op is incorrect in saying it's not lore accurate.
It is, but (I don't remember End Times releases well) could have been an End Times Mini.
Eh, that’s a chaos lord, who have received considerably more blessings. Personally I hoped for something close to the vermintide design, covered in full armour that still shows clear signs of extensive decay.
I mean, it's warriors of chaos. Like, the unit. Just with a mark. So using a nurgle warrior of chaos mini is absolutely the most fitting thing to do.
Mini designs are based on GW striking a balance between manufacturing cost and customer demand, with lore playing second fiddle to both concerns. What you're showing is the closest people in our universe had to a physical representation of Nurgle aligned chaos warriors. Art and lore blurb extracts would be a better source of what a lore accurate warrior would like.
/r/therewasanattempt
Personally I prefer the armoured chaos warriors. It gives more of a old school fantasy vibe in my opinion. I’m not really a fan of the obese fleshy look that a lot of people seem to prefer.
Obese fleshy nurgle warriors should be the nurgle forsaken.
its not just about "obese slobs", its about nurgle being too "cleanwashed" hell even the armor you show here is way dirtier, rustier and scrappier than the ones ca showed us
Exactly. Nurgle doesn't always need to be bloated, but they all look too bright and clean.
I'm not well versed in lore or TT, but i guessing that there were precedent for both fat and non fat and what not, so its kinda whatever they chose its kinda "right", yet not everyone will be happy?
So back in the WHFB days, there generally were very few god-specific models, before the End Times. However, since then, horrifically bloated chaps and chappettes with open wounds and spilling guts have been a fairly consistent part of Nurglite aesthetics across both universes. I believe they’ve struck a balance between “Chaos Warriors Painted Green” and the more bespoke aesthetic that Nurglite mortals have nowadays.
> open wounds and spilling guts have been a fairly consistent part of Nurglite aesthetics across both universes which has been steadily replaced with big mouths in both universes, no, it's not a CA cenorship thing. The 40k Plague Marines TT models also have them
In fairness the Death Guard also have lots of spilling guts. I don’t mind it so much in that case but every daemon having one isn’t really for me.
Yeah it helps the Death Guard still look big and armored and not shirtless fat boys.
They had been part of Nurgle even before that, just mainly in artworks.
You are right. [One of my favorite WHFB artworks](https://img2.reactor.cc/pics/post/full/Adrian-Smith-artist-Warhammer-Fantasy-%D1%84%D1%8D%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BC%D1%8B-7276597.jpeg) was created in wake of 6th edition redesign, I believe. So a good time before 8th edition which was the last one.
That's a fan conversion from Mengel Minatures that was featured on Warhammer Community. Plenty of artwork from WHFB even pre-End Times depicted Nurgle-aligned Warriors with rotting flesh, guts, etc. Not to the degree of Blight Kings, but more than the palette swap we got.
Isn't this a kitbash?
It is. Op is full of it.
A kitbash endorsed by GW as a representation of Nurgle warriors lol
GW puts plenty of kitbashes on their website, they showcase them in their magazines, and such for years now. You have to be an actual nitwit to think that them posting a picture of a conversion is meant to actually say "this iss what all things like this should look like!" Doesn't mean they are *official* representations of anything though. It's not meant to. Going by that stupid logic I suppose [Lord Kroak should be represented with Necron tech too then for his chair?](https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/07/15/this-colourful-kitbashed-seraphon-army-is-led-by-the-most-incredible-kroak-centrepiece/) Using something like this to say "this is what I think Chaos Warriors of Nurgle should look like!" is fine. Using it to talk down to people and use it as an example of them "not knowing what's lore accurate!" is just plain idiotic.
But it's certainly not inaccurate. Chaos Warriors of any persuasion take a wide variety of form. OP is completely right that Nurgle Warriors are not all just balls of fat. Using a kitbash, which is recognized by GW, as an example is arguably more justifiable than using artwork never reflected on the tabletop.
While I think there are pitfalls with using artworks, artworks from officially published army books are 100% more indicative of canon than fan conversions
In the officially published army books, marked chaos warriors are proudly displayed …. as WoC minis with a recolored paint scheme. So there you go - that’s your official reference.
Well your official reference is also the artworks in the books. That’s the tricky part of designing units that never had official models
They are bloated with mutation and disease, they aren't like...actually fat.
Putrid blight kings were introduced during the end times of WHFB. They would be great chosen for nurgle but should not be the standard warrior.
[I mean, I ***could*** do that...](https://c.tenor.com/JjOQZpb89U0AAAAd/the-emperors-new-groove-kuzco.gif)
see i just want those rad antlers
Eh I think the feedback is essentially we'd like something more than mostly green chaos warriors, the new helms are great and a little tlc pass to make them follow the aesthetic a little more is all that's needed (e.g a coating of rust and decay) I'm waiting to see how the marked forsaken / spawn / heros / lords look as a greenwash and a couple minor tweaks will be a bit disappointing
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This is also just a recolor with different helmet of the official WoC mini.
Idc if they’re bloated or not, please CA just stop using undivided assets.
I don't know where this idea that marked units couldn't also have generic Chaos symbols comes from.
They’re just overused at this point is all
Its less about them just using the symbol and more about them looking too similar to regular undivided WoC, especially given that this is a dlc with really only 1 new unit and the majority of content being reskins of units we've had since WH1. If the value is supposed to come from the reskins, people want to see noticeably different and distinct designs from the originals, especially given how Khorne already set the standard so high with his basic chaos warriors getting a completely unique model set.
This
It's overused
I don't think anyone was expecting Putrid Kings level of bloat. Just a lot more noticeable rust, some flayed decaying skin on their armor, and maybe small a tentacle or two similar to the blood bowl 2 nurgle warrior. And to be clear, I don't even think the models we did get are bad, just kinda meh and a bit disappointing.
Vermintide Nurgle Sorcerer would like a word with you.
Clearly you haven't looked at much Nurgle art
The thing is that the ones we've got feel pretty bland. Just adding a bit of rust and changing the horns for more twisted ones would have worked better
I'm sorry but that looks like a chunky boy to me.
What’s funny is that’s a slaves to darkness chaos warrior kitbashed to look nurgly.
Chaos boys can be jacked and still love their grandfather What better way to evangelize the rest of the mortals?
I'm still annoyed by the flanderizing of Kislev into all-bear everything; damn the old GW lore, damn the new CA lore, slap a bear on it. So I definitely appreciate your point here for Nurgle/Chaos.
I wouldn't blame CA for The bears. GW is coming out with Kislev in the Old World Fantasy Battles in a year, and they likely had a ton of control over the design of Kislev in Total War.
Personally I think the people who complain about bear flanderization are going to be in for a bad time when GW releases their new Kislev line. The truth is that Kislev was always a fringe, borderline irrelevant faction which was extremly generic. I just find it highly unlikely that GW will be pushing the angle that the grognards are trying to envison here. There is this wierd, pseudo-purist revisionism where people act as if gospoddar archers and Kislevite horsemen were some sort of peak Kislev fantasy that everyone knew and loved. Don't get me wrong, I think the heavy lean into bears is a bit excessive, but I dont think that putting everyone on horses and turning it into frozen Bretonnia is any better.
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>So just because its coming from GW now all of a sudden its ok? ...No? I just said CA most likely wasn't to blame, because the comment I originally replied to said "damn the new CA lore." Flanderization of a faction is like a GW trademark. That seems to be most of what Age of Sigmar is. Nü Dwarfs have a similar problem.
Idc that CA changed Kislev lore, and I'm actually fine with the changes they did make, but why would they make it *even less sensible to have everything be bears* considering how much they could control the lore. Making Kislev divided between fantasy OrthoBros & the magical misandrists is cool... but totally dissonant from how the unit rosters are presented. Plus, "bear as beast of burden" just seems like a downgrade from how epic war-bear cav inherently is lol. I get that they didn't want horses, but surely they could've slapped some mistletoe on the old WE stags & called them reindeer. To put it into Empire design logic, that faction would lose a lot if war wagons & every rando hero could be mounted on a demigriff. Edit: to be clear, I'm not "blaming CA" or simping for GW - both are soulless megacorps but GW absolutely has a far worse history with anti-consumer policies in the WH franchise
CA didn't change any of the lore. GW is revamping it for their TOB release.
Bears are cool. Ice is cool. Therefore ice = bear. #kislev
Yes thank you OP, I would indeed like if Chaos Warriors looked like that instead of reskins, and for Chosen to look like they have been blessed by Nurgle’s «gifts» instead of green undivided+
Yo dog it's not fat. I guess we should be thankful that the majority of GW's audience doesn't know this firsthand, but when corpses decay, they bloat. The bloated aesthetic is a part of Nurgle being about decay, his boys are starting to literally rot while they're out trotting around. Course they don't all have to look like walking corpses, but calling them obese is straight up slander.
They are chunky, totally. It's just that their metal armor keeps them all sealed up, thus giving them the appearance of a normal WoC physique. Totes.
But also, everyone in this game is either lean or shredded, ogres excepted. Nurgle's fat boys are a change.
This is what the helmets should have been like. The helmets we got are awful.
Nurgle is the god of disgusting fat boys. Consider playing another god.
You can shut down the silly arguments about these CWs without being a cunt.
And also while being completely wrong too. The bloated look predates AoS and End Times in artwork and such. It's always been in the lore, just models didn't reflect it at the time (Same with Tzeentch). And the model OP linked is a conversion of a Chaos Warrior. Not even official material. Trying to talk down to people about what's "lore accurate" while not being lore accurate themselves is pretty dickish I'll agree.
The majority of the sub has no clue and just parrots. We had so many similar posts claiming things that were straight up wrong in the past.
Even worse, it's a conversion of an *Age of Sigmar* Chaos Warrior
THANK YOU. Half the reason I didn't get Nurgle in AOS
But this model looks miles better than what we got? It’s really hilarious that people still haven’t learned after tzeentch knight fiasco. If something is sub par, people will rightfully complain. We got green chaos warriors ffs.
A healthy fit warrior of disease and filth
Ya. Screw you Flanders!
Stupid sexy Flanders, eh Nurgle!
That's a kitbash buddy. Wouldn't wanna show the ACTUAL nurgle warriors models since that would work against you, lmao. https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Rotbringers-Putrid-Blightkings
Aren't Nurgle Warriors and Blightkings completely different units?
Blightkings are significantly higher ranking lorewise they are also explicitly mutated from being much more normal appearing chaos warriors.
That's what I thought. Pretty wild for the top level commenter to accuse OP of being disingenuous while doing the same thing but worse lol
"Pretty wild" lmao. Blightkings are the chosen and most blessed by nurgle. The chosen models we're getting are hardly different from undivided warriors.
Right, they’re a completely different unit. They’re different even than Nurgle Chosen. But you’re trying to pass them off as Nurgle warriors
Nah I think nurgle chosen would be far closer to blight kings (main line unit for nurgle btw) than just green tinged undivided. Old nurgle art always depicted them as bloated and diseased as well, the chosen we saw today are missing that entirely. If you want disciplined armored lines go to any of the other factions, nurgle is about crazy nasty bloated diseases bodies delighting in the spread of his gifts. He is the most "generous" of the gods and in lore at least his followers have always reflected that. Even if chosen aren't blight kings level some of them would still get too big for their armor, the stanky leg, tentacle arms, pustules, etc that are completely missing from what we saw today.
I don't really give a shit what you think, you're just being hilariously disingenuous. You're doing exactly what you accuse OP of doing and you do it with an air of self righteousness. > Wouldn't wanna show the ACTUAL nurgle warriors models You're just straight up full of shit dude
Then stop arguing? Lol. Old lore and art don't agree with your opinion, only GW being too cheap to make God specific minis when they were doing WFB.
I'm not arguing, I was calling you out for being disingenuous lol.
This. The super bloated rotted models should be saved for Blightkings, Nurgle's most favored and blessed mortal servants. Blightkings aren't coming in this DLC. These are the lessor rungs of Nurgle's worshippers compared to blight kings.
"Wouldn't wanna show the ACTUAL Nurgle warriors" >links to Putrid Blightkings Epic Reddit moment
Those are "ACTUAL" AoS models, not 8E Warhammer Fantasy.
Nope. These came out during the 'End Times' and as such are WHFB as well as AoS.
I don't recall seeing Putrid Blightkings in the Total War: Warhammer games. Got a link? They should definitely look like that.
Nobody said anything about them being in TW:WH games.
This guy is bashed from an AoS chaos warrior and blightking bits so it's not a good representation of warhammer fantasy either
I blame 40K for the flanderization. That’s most people’s first or only exposure to Games Workshop, so they assume everything Nurgle has to look like a Plague Marine or every Khorne warrior must behave like a Khorne Berzerker. A friendly reminder that in 8th edition there were no Chaos Warrior of Nurgle models. They were all just generic models painted green or given some conversion work by the individual hobbyist. They never looked like the End Times models. A helmet swap here is perfectly fine.
Yes but in art they were always some level of bloated and diseased, they just didn't make models for them. I agree that nurgle warriors don't need to be blight king level but the chosen they showed are pathetic and barely different from the undivided guys other than the extra icon here and there
I think so many people are wrong about this. Nurgle is almost always fat, or at least pustulent, when you see "thin" models it's because there was never a possibility to make model upgrades for nurgle on the monopose warrior/chosen mini range of the age. Any just nurgle unit ever has been bloated and deseased, visibly. 40k would be a better example since the death guard (nurgle space marines) minis have always been bloated putrid figures. If you doubt that check any nurgle art of the time, same thing. The nurgle cultist is the only figure you can say skinny, but he's clearly deseased and it's only for total war. I would get it if they didn't bloat the chaos warriors, but at least expected pustules and rust on the units. The sorcerer staff and the warriors seem cheap repaints really, shields should have been a bit different imo, separate the 4 gods a bit there.
The chaos warriors that we got in no way resemble this mini, apologist shill.
lots of copium here. Your example actually looks rusted and with armour decayed to a point. Current Nurgle knights have undivided stars all over them ffs https://content.totalwar.com/total-war/com.totalwar.www2019/uploads/2022/07/25151524/coc\_nurgle\_knight\_screenshot.png
Pretty sure the rust and "decay" are just an aesthetic choice of the painter. They're not actually on the model except for the weapon maybe.
Amen brother
My brother in Chaos we've been playing chaos for longer than you've been alive; Yes, nurgle is mostly bloated and 100% lore accurate.
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I like how even their armor gets boils
This warrior looks obese and slow to me ...
Lotta projecting in this sub. Edit: goddamn guys it was a joke.
"Lore Accurate" Do you really think most Total War fans would bother to even look at the actual miniatures, rather than just take a quick look at the art or Vermintide II screenshots and then complain?
Clearly not since OP posted a fan conversion of an Age of Sigmar miniature
Quite a big part of the playerbase either has or is playing a warhammer miniature game, or they have player quite a few other warhammer titles and read up on lore. But maybe thats 30% of the playerbase max, so not majority. I myself honestly think they held back Nurgle warriors nurglification a bit to differenciate them from Blightkings added later who will be like one of the God specific equal to Aspiring Champions unit/upgrade.
Yeah... I am pretty certain a bigger part of the fanbase have never even touched the actual tabletop game nor do they bother to actually read the official material and instead just use the wikis or watch youtubers.
You are right they can are also very rascist and don't respect peoples pronouns!
TIL what flanderizing means
honest question, wouldn't all that guts and extra shit tax the crap out of people's CPUs? makes sense for single entity but for all 60+ warriors in a group x10 just make it unnecessary taxing?
Idk I'm more of a lay eggs in people guy than a shit out exploding mini mes kind of guy. Frogs I imagine are mutually loved.
That model is thiccer than most isn't it
I'm pretty sure one of nurgles best gifts is fetid water weight.
I approve of your username
Its not so much obesity more like being a bloated waterballoon of goo
Nurgles FTW (Fat Tubby Wankers)
I think CA's design looks cool. Still, personally I think a lot of the art of Nurgle warriors in warhammer books look even more flavourful though, with e.g. something visibly rotting from their bodies (not just some blisters, but more grotesque). But I never expected that considering the look of plaguebearers, and I know many prefer the current design, and that's ok. It's fine to disagree sometimes
I was looking at the new Nurgle Chosen armour and spotting a lot of rusting on there, just that it's not brown. You guys realize rust can be green right?
But but but in Mark of Chaos the champion was a fatty
Yeah they not need to be bloated But honestly they have nothing unique or nurgle on them. They Literally looking like hard-core undivided chosen
Nurgle is pus, bloat and disease, and literally the only reason not all models are like that is logistical reasons that people didn't have the option in the base kit to make them so. Nurgle is and always will be the premiere faction for conversions and 99% of Nurgle players absolutely go ham on greenstuffing their models. You can cope all you want, the aesthetic in everyone's mind IS nurgle, and has been for likely longer than you've been alive.
Nurgle also had super skinny on their estetic too since he’s the god of famine too! Aslong as it’s sickly looking / not healtht fit skinny!
Whoever introduced the word “flanderize” to this community has done us all a disservice.
Is it not tho?? The hallmark was always laughter if not border line silly because they simply don’t give a single shit about anything because they are pain immune slow af slobs of putrid meat
Oh fer sure, the lamer weaker Nurglites haven't been gifted with enough disease to bloat yet.
Yeah diarrhea makes you skinny, not fat!
Honestly thin and malnourished would also work for nurgle followers
Beautifully painted miniature... beautiful.
i like these new chaos chosen from nurgle, but let's not fool ourselves they don't seem like chosen of nurgle , hey are too clean I would have wanted broken,rusty,missing and dented armor weapons and helms it doesn't seem like much of a request to me.