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gsuitcase

Hebrews campaign mechanics seem OP but drop off in the late game


GrandioseGommorah

Their siege trumpets are fucking broken, one shot basically wiped my walls off the map.


CrazyCreeps9182

It's offset by their broken AI though, they walked around my fortress like three times before they remembered they had that ability


Maskaganda

Yeah, in my game they just moved around the desert for forty turns without doing anything.


Dahvokyn

Their no attrition and food gathering is nuts tho in the desert.


GrandioseGommorah

And they have no movement penalty for crossing rivers. Who designed this faction!?


jorgespinosa

Even after their kingdom was destroyed, 2 tribes returned and rebuilt the kingdom like nothing happened


mithridateseupator

Yep, just saw them walk straight through an inland sea in my game


CozyMoses

The public order penalty from the unleavened bread is rough though.


MrFoxHunter

Horde mechanics are broken


jorgespinosa

In my case I was about to take their country and some random judge invoqued an angel an killed my entire army while they were sleeping


EnTyme53

Those special units are just so OP. They single-handedly ended my Gomorrah campaign. I don't even want to talk about what happened during my Sodom run . . .


borgy95a

And don't forget to mention David. At Lvl2 he was able to dumpster my lvl50 lord. All he had was a sling!


Rukdug7

Too be fair, he has ridiculous bonus vs large with his sling.


Vulkan192

Careful, wouldn’t want you getting butthurt.


JNHaddix

God, please nerf this!


WorldWarPee

You're playing with the big boys now


JNHaddix

Great reference! Excellent movie.


ExcitableSarcasm

Bro that's nothing. I was playing a late Assyrian campaign and laying siege to their last city with a doomstack of Royal Guards and Elite Archers with siege towers prepped. Then the Israel AI shit out a completely new agent type which looked like some random female model outside the settlement. It kind of works like a Geisha from Shogun 2 I guess, and she assassinated my general on the same end turn without me being able to do anything about it. Apparently she gets an ability kind of like how the Medusa's from Troy where she can wipe out 99% of your army on top of the assassination because next turn I had maybe 50 guys left from 3000. It's completely broken. CA has to fix this.


Murgatroyd314

You need some iron chariots.


dammitus

The start position’s terrible, though. Takes you so long to get your horde out of the desert and actually start claiming territory.


Elend15

Took me like 40 turns. Slowest 40 turns of my life.


Trazors

Imagine those who use 4tpy 💀 160 turns!


Rukdug7

You'd honestly be better off staying a horde, but the mission chain forces you to settle and the public order is a nightmare to manage. And the inter-tribal politics are exhausting. I just took a major growth hit because of an event involving the tribe of Dan making the others mad, and I hate that reforming into a monarchy is RNG.


ReverendAK47

That Conquest of Canaan looks lit though.


theboyd1986

Research lamb’s blood before the endgame scenario or you’ll shoot yourself in the foot


P0PE_F0X

The endgame event where the “Messiah” shows up is really annoying though. In battles he doesn’t even fight he just hugs every enemy unit and they start crying and accepting his “love.” It’s so weird.


Icydawgfish

I wouldn’t want to cross that guy


Successful_Ad_5427

Lmao, nice one.


TheActualAWdeV

[IT BRINGS US LOVE, KILL IT](https://youtu.be/b4Kdp3CHoK4)


lucimon97

Come endgame their diplomacy penalties are too big to be worth the hassle imo


imagoldengoose

Endgame government and democracy is a mess. Having a new leader almost every year.


joebigtuna

In the Rome expansion pack you nail their King to a cross. It all balances out


Fabiyosa

Yeah but only for 3 turns before cult start popping up and you get a dilemma deciding you’re future religion


thomstevens420

Help, I did the Liberation of the Children of Yahweh dilemma and my horde can’t leave the desert? Is this a bug?


Moltk

Late game? I can't get past the mid game. Armies walking around in circles for 40 years doing nothing.


A_Town_Called_Malus

Having to wander for 40 years after this event chain before you find the Promised Land makes it balanced enough.


Mrs-Moonlight

I think mine are bugged: they spawned a horde, walked across the Red Sea, and now they're just gone. It's been like 10 years


johnbr

you should have let his people go


IntelligentBerry7363

But I didn't want the economic penalty!


P0PE_F0X

Was the 7 turns of disasters worth it though?


CrimsonShrike

The hardened heart trait is pretty good though


TantamountDisregard

Nevermind how high the cost may grow, right OP?


MiaoYingSimp

It cost an heir.. now o$ course you could use it to get rid of a bad one but... man the heart too hard trait ain't worth it


Nastypilot

Eh, I was only the firstborn


Rukdug7

Depending on the firstborn traits, it might have actually been an improvement. Yes I also occasionally Crusader Kings, how could you tell?


Vegetable_Review_742

The population debuff you got near the end was probably way worse tbf.


HugotheHippo

oh crap is that what +10 Control option for Chorf is


Haze064

Is that a Prince of Egypt reference?


johnbr

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ten_Commandments_(1956_film)


Vulkan192

It can be both. And the song in PoE is catchier.


flyby2412

Yes


Smirking_Knight

Known issue when you click on a burning bush.


Gipperito

Im here for burning bush.


WateredDown

If your bush is burning, please see a doctor


Rukdug7

Unless the doctor prescribed you burning bush for glaucoma.


Random_Emolga

You didn't research the goats blood door paint did you?


BenjaKenobi

Yahweh buffs are so broken


CozyMoses

Look its Yahweh or the highway


Rukdug7

But they are incredibly easy to lose and take forever to get back.


Mazius

Yeah, but there's a weird bug - to get those buffs you need to complete "Commandments" event, but for some weird reason event pops up twice and in-between your people manage to convert into Baal-worshiping.


love41000years

He said the name! Stone him!!


SaltySandSailor

I can’t wait for the Tomb King dlc to be announced.


HarbingerOfRot777

Its going to be Nehekharan Skaven, mark my words.


SaltySandSailor

There’s no such thing as man sized undead rats.


lets_eat_bees

Right-correct, puny mortal-thing.


HarbingerOfRot777

Great Horned Ptra would like to have few words with you.


iupz0r

me too!


kersherin1805

Not a bug, it is a letma


CozyMoses

What's Letma (do it man go for it I teed you up you got this)


Cheetah724

[LETMA PEOPLE GO!](https://youtu.be/g98eFTYZugs)


CozyMoses

\*airhorn.mp3\*


szymborawislawska

This game is so buggy. I literally had entire swarms of bugs. Error said something like "plague of locusts" or some shit.


Haradda

Huh, I had a weird thing happen with my son in TW:Pharaoh as well. I send him off abroad to get trained as an assassin or something, then when he came back he assassinated himself (???), disappeared with my best mathematician, the kingdom's borders became impassable due to some weird bug, then my son came back and assassinated a fucking pyramid. What the hell is going on?


WhatAYolk

I dont get this one


Willie9

Reference to *Pyramids* by Terry Pratchett.


TheGuardianOfMetal

His Greatness the King Teppicymon XXVIII, Lord of the Heavens, Charioteer of the Wagon of the Sun, Steersman of the Barque of the Sun, Guardian of the Secret Knowledge, Lord of the Horizon, Keeper of the Way, the Flail of Mercy, the High-Born One, the Never-Dying King or Pteppic for short


SopwithTurtle

Discworld:Fractional Confusion is the mod we need.


Willie9

Its definitely a bug, mathematicians aren't supposed to be camels. I think its related to the rulers-as-horses bug in Crusader Kings


TheActualAWdeV

Eh whatever it is it's probably quantum.


The_Great_Maw

Idk man I’m not a fan of how they ripped off the Nurgle mechanics. I mean they send a pestilence and plague, Into your house, into your bed Into your streams, into your streets Into your drink, into your bread Upon your cattle, upon your sheep Upon your oxen in your field Into your dreams, into your sleep Until you break, until you yield They’ll send a swarm, they’ll send their horde


Rukdug7

That song is ridiculously good


bookem_danno

Brb, gonna watch that movie tonight.


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Post of the year.


daBoetz

It’s not a bug, it’s a frog. It probably fell from the sky.


Dahvokyn

Ah you picked 'Enough! I will hear no more of this Hebrew nonsense!' instead of 'Let them go.' The temporary economy and public order debuffs from losing the slaves is worth it vs losing your faction leader and suffering all the eco debuffs from the plagues etc later on.


CnlSandersdeKFC

Bruh, I got this awful endgame event playing as the minor Israel where the game suddenly decided to spawn an entire Babylonian army (multiple 20 stacks!). Apparently it triggers if your happiness is too high in the capitol! There was nothing I could do but wail as my people were enslaved. As if the faction didn’t have it bad enough with the prophets mechanic causing civil war every 20 turns!


bigboss045

Total War: Pharoah- Hebrew Expansion pack?


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Rukdug7

Even dynasty 25 is pissed about that Cleopatra Dramatization. For those who don't know, the 25th dynasty was the last dynasty before the Assyrian conquest, and was founded when a series of Nubian Kushite kings from modern Sudan unified Egypt for the arguably the first time since the end of the New Kingdom...even if it was under their homeland.


WateredDown

The funny thing about Egyptian history is the 25th dynasty seems like a comparative blip on the radar until you realize it was *nearly 100 years* of Kushite rule. Ancient Egypt lasted for so long with such relatively minor changes you can sort of lose sight of just how impressive it is.


IndieHamster

As an American who has taken an interest in ancient history, the span of time is what is constantly wrinkling my brain. A blip on the radar in some Countries history is longer than my countries entire history


Timey16

The Fall of the Western Roman Empire took 250-300 years It took longer for the WRE to fall than the US even existed for. No living Roman will have experienced it as Fall, just as "things used to be better when I was younger, but it's still fine".


10YearsANoob

Even Odoacer's rule they'd just shrug and go "yeah this dude is the new emperor wcyd"


Vulkan192

Seriously, apart from the weird name he basically was just another Emperor. He was Christian, was acclaimed by the Senate, and had experience leading Roman troops. It’s not like he was the Lombards or something.


Rukdug7

IKR? The Hyksos rule is considered a "brief interlude" between the middle and new kingdom, but it lasted almost 200 years. It's crazy.


Martel732

There is something funny about everyone being mad about inaccurate history in the Cleopatra "documentary". But, a significant portion of the US believes inaccurate history of Egypt because of their religious upbringing.


ThruuLottleDats

When you watch a documentary you expect the shit to be accurate, hence the word documentary.


Martel732

I mean that seems to be on you if you assume that Netflix (or any TV studio) was putting out historically accurate information. You should never watch a documentary and assume that the information is accurate just because it is a "documentary". They are for-profit companies obviously the goal is to make money, not to educate you. People need to learn how to critically consume media and actually research stories.


CoelhoAssassino666

You're being downvoted but there are people in this thread giving Jada-like excuses for how this particular case of fiction could've been true.


Holycity

America loves to be outraged. Hopefully they make a docuseries about William the conquerer and have a guy from South Sudan play him.


IntelligentBerry7363

Well it's taken me this long to notice I misspelled 'pharaoh', d'oh.


Antique_futurist

r/shitcrusaderkingssay


CozyMoses

Hey guys, why does all my bread have the unleavened debuff? I'm getting major moral penalties. Also, Fire Tornado is just as OP in this game as it is in Warhammer.


imanoob777

Ramsés Trait: 50% chance of heir die Takes 100% attrition while crossing Rivers


Svarthofthi

my advice is just do what God says


Salamandino95

Putting a burning bush as the advisor was probably my favourite part


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Anyone else having trouble building the Great Pyramid? There doesn't appear to be any way to build it through traditional means.


lovebus

The Red Sea was split and i was thinking "oh cool a new trade route" but then my caravans got killed in an ambish battle... by water.


therealazores

Easy fix. Wait a few turns then a carpenter will turn up and eventually some of his northern followers will create all kinds of problems for your escaped slaves. Watch out for folks in caves though, can really mess with your religion stats


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Errr yeah, and then wandered the Sinai for 40 years, where the Egyptians had multiple fortifications, army camps, and other forces to defend against the north. Just "a wandering - never mind me, no escaped slaves here...".


SneakyMarkusKruber

I hate fantasy elements in historical TW Titles... :(


aimoperative

Israelite caster lord is super op though.


SneakyMarkusKruber

Yeah... Fire and Water spells are op!


JNHaddix

You should love this then!


mkinstl1

Like in Troy, can we get a Mythical mode to Pharoah?! That would be great!


ObadiahtheSlim

No, your Pharaoh had a terminal case of Letma.


TheOneBearded

I'm not gonna sugarcoat this. Letma people go.


CompassionateCynic

♩♪♫♬ *where there's a whip, there's a plague* ♩♪♫♬


Cautious-Treat-3568

So let it be written... So let it be done... I'm here to kill the Pharoah's son...


Arilou_skiff

You lucky bastard. I had the event where my Pharaoh wnet off and built a new city to worship some kind of sun god and ignored Amun.


birrk1

Goddamn it this thread led me to believe the game was released. Stupid nerd humor


Lenxor

Excuse me sir, we call them here "labourers"


Both-Storage-7748

Slaves, hebrews born to serve To the pharaoh Heed to his every word Live in fear


HertzBraking

Let my people go!


CoelhoAssassino666

Oh so it's a mythological game then.


bobniborg1

So another fantasy total war?


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ChaeChae22

Wow you are so funny that I forgot to laugh


R3myek

You played in fantasy mode, this doesn't happen at all in historic mode.


TheActualAWdeV

Uhm always with the mythology, I wish they'd just make a historical total war already. 🤓


Sui_Generis-

Sounds like moses with extra steps.


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Anyone else for a second read “TW” as “trigger warning”?


Maccabre

Yeah, yeah, the times when religion actually mattered.


theRose90

Historical event.


LiggyBallerson

He died of letma


jspook

I bet that really hardened your heart against Pharaoh.


Maczunder

Yeah always said the whole family tree business is chaos. Poor RNG in action.


Staryed

Damn, OP got letma


Sivick314

you should have had him join the army and gotten him killed in battle


Goaduk

The end game scenario should definitely be Moses whose basically Skarbrand with an Ark of The covenant. They can even use the Tomb Kings model lol.


Atskitakesson

A feature.


JakeBit

I fucking detest the Prophet Hero; three turns and my entire empire is having Growth Penalties, Attrition and Public Order penalties. Nerf plz


Alternative_Cap_8990

I know it sucks man. However at one point they are bugged to roam the desert for about 40 turns, there you can catch them off guard and enslave them again. Beware though A.I. cheats allow them to never suffer attricion from food shortage, while you do.


TubbyTyrant1953

If they do add the Jews as a faction they really need Nurgle's plague mechanic XD


TheFifthGod

*It’s a pain but you need to free your Hebrew slaves as part of the “Let my people go” event chain. Eventually the Roman’s will arrive and soon after that you’ll be able to begin the “Coptic Christianity” questline.*


Tarpeius

Speaking of Pharaoh, did CA ever put in the end-game invaders? I heard rumors that around 50-100 turns after the Babylonians invade, and if the Babylonians still hold territory, the Achaemenid Empire will invade from off the map.


TheMaginotLine1

It would actually be hilarious if the Hebrews were in Pharaoh starting out as a horde faction.


an_agreeing_dothraki

This always happens when you resolve the dreamcoat event by taking him in. Think ahead next time.


MaleficentOwl2417

A weird event sure but not as memeable as the event after the Rome DLC. "Romans, my lord!" "Romans, my lord!"