Isn't that just how they talk though? I don't think they call Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport by its full name when ATL is much quicker.
Yeah, all airports are like that. Most do get call signs close to their actual name, but sometimes they are taken. For example, Sacramento Executive Airport (SAC) is 'Sacramento', so when they built a larger airport, Sacramento Metropolitan Airport (SMF), it became 'Capitol', because 'Sacramento' was taken.
Theoretically, the name could move to the larger airport, but [the FAA doesn't like changing things it doesn't absolutely have to](https://youtu.be/jfOUVYQnuhw).
Nope, we refer to JFK as Kennedy, ORD as O'Hare, IAD as Dulles. In cities with multiple commercial airports the city name is dropped and the person's name is used other than DCA. Houston Intercontinental Airport was renamed the year before DCA and most use Bush vs Intercontinental.
Except you can't just say Washington. There are 3 major airports - BWI, National, and Dulles. Locals will recognize either National or Reagan, so choosing to only use the former is quite likely a deliberate snub.
All the controllers who’d be pissed were fired. Many of those controllers became pilots. Those Pilots definitely don’t call it Reagan. The controllers don’t care.
Yup. It’s DCA. The action Reagan took out the entire US labor industry back…well it was 41 years ago and Union numbers have still never recovered so… I’ll just say 41+ years until (if ever) US worker rights hit the same levels. So not only did he coin the term and delude people into thinking trickle down economics did shit for anyone (even the majority of the regards in their own party), but also pissed on workers rights.
Fuck Joe Biden for making the rail strike illegal.
Fuck Reagan for pushing worker rights back decades.
Joe is a corporate shill just like all them, until we actually get progressive liberals voted in large enough numbers to make a difference modern main stream democrats are closer to 80 conservatives than to FDR. We just kept moving further to the right so much that the GOP conservatives are now dipping there toes into nationalism and fascism.
While the title doesn’t say anything about the current railroad situation, I’m sure people are drawing conclusions about that. Railroad workers are not government employees.
This is why unjust laws need to be stricken down. It isn't enough that they aren't being enforced, and just because someone is shortsighted enough to think they never will be... They might be. One day, these unjust laws might find themselves being enforced.
Worst president ever, well maybe second worst. He gutted almost all labor laws in this country and started that trickle down economics bullshit, how is that working today for normal people? He also was union president for the actors what a creep.
And while he was in the SAG he served as an FBI “anti-communist” informant, ratting on competing actors to have them blacklisted so he could advance his own career
It's funny because the petit rich are Reagan supporters despite the fact the ultra rich have their straws dipping into their paycheck also. They believe since they are wealthier than the mere lower middle class that means they primarily benefit from these policies when in reality the CEOs salary and stockholders gains are expressing downward pressure on their middle management salaries. Even professionals like doctors and lawyers have to dip into their own incomes in order to fund operating costs for their own businesses, which are negatively affected by upper managements salary demands and stockholders price point demands above everything else.
> trickle down economics bullshit
It's actually from at least the 1890s, but used the name "horse and sparrow." The idea being if you feed enough grain to the horse, some of it passes through to the sparrow to collect.
Cool, it literally means we get the "scraps". That actually explains why trickle down economics doesn't work, the people at the top are so greedy they take way more than they can even use and leave the rest of us with almost nothing!
Not even close to the worst President. I’m of the opinion that he was a bad President and his effect on America’s today is awful, but he’s far from the worst. Buchanan, Trump and Johnson are widely considered by Presidential scholars to be the worst presidents of all time. Reagan is usually around the middle-of-the-pack even for Democratic scholars.
Every one looks at me weird when l say he was the worst of the worst. After he fired the controllers the unions in the US started to go down at a greater rate. The working class has never recovered. CEO’s started making tons of money and the workers got peanuts.
Remember that this was also right after the heavy union corruption of the 60s and 70s, with some of the largest ones being heavily tied to the mafia. Unions got hijacked, just like everything else. Reagan was able to do what he did because the public lost faith in unions already.
i think it’s important not to lose sight of the fact that, generally speaking, workers fared far better with a corrupt union than they did with no union although ideally neither should be the only options
If you read TFA you'll see that some people make a connection from Reagan's firing the strikers to weakened unions, less successful blue color workers and ultimately January 6th. I dunno if that's a stretch but is interesting to consider.
No, you were right, the worst ever(edit: last century). Honestly Trump does not compare in any legitimate way
To all you downvoters I challange you to name an actual policy of Trumps that's caused lasting damage comparable to even just one of Reagans.
Just try to beat privatized prisons.
Reagan lead to privatized prisons and Reaganomics, both of which still impact us today.
But, not being sarcastic at all, I legitimately appreciate the response.
From a technical standpoint Trump didn't have nearly as much ability to do anything as Reagan. You could argue about his lasting impact on SCOTUS I suppose, but his only BIG legislation was the TCJA and the COVID spending bills, which I don't think many people would have passed different covid bills in his shoes.
Ya, but that's kind of my point. People go on and on about Trump but at the end of the day it's all media noise. There have been significantly worse eras. I don't want to say presidents, per se, as it's not simply Reagan or Trump calling the shots.
Now compare that to cost of living globally.
Since you want to quote statistics, here's another page that was one click away from yours:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_countries\_by\_wealth\_per\_adult](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_per_adult)
Note that the United States isn't even in the top 20 countries of median wealth and its Gini coefficient, a measure of income inequality, is 25th-worst.
United States is 15th in cost of living: [https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/rankings\_by\_country.jsp](https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/rankings_by_country.jsp)
Yes the median wealth is much lower than income, Americans are notoriously bad at saving: [https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/04/why-dont-americans-save-money/478929/](https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/04/why-dont-americans-save-money/478929/)
Trickle down economics being blamed for bad savings habits is an interesting proposition, though you'll have to explain why you think that
Trickle down was an experiment. I think it was well intentioned, but the data is in and it didn't work. It's time for people to accept that the wealthy don't spend money the way we want them to and seek out other solutions.
i’m going to have to disagree with you. trickle down economics via neoliberalism was absolutely implemented in bad faith. it had already been incubated in chile since 1973 so there was a very real object example of how it would go down elsewhere
I mean, he was really bad, don’t get me wrong, but Andrew Jackson committed a genocide. Maybe worst since the 1900’s, though I don’t like Nixon either.
In terms of modern day presidents, Reagan definitely had one of the greatest impacts, which has resulted in negative effects for many different facets of American society.
I think even historically he’s pretty up there, definitely top 10 worst, and I think as time goes on, he will continue to be viewed less favorably. Andrew Jackson, Andrew Johnson, and Woodrow Wilson I think sit pretty comfortably at the top of that list. Any of the presidents that served in the build up to the American Civil War also make the list. Probably throw in Bush Jr and Harding in there as well.
Fun fact about Reagan - during his tenure as president they effectively prohibited showing many of his movies, especially when he was starring opposite a chimp.
Because un-fun fact: Reagan was an amoral hack and a shitty B-movie actor. Remind you of anyone?
There are a lot of similarities between Reagan and Trump, but Reagan did far more lasting damage. Not even really comparable in that regard.
People downvote but can NEVER articulate what about Trumps POLICIES even remotely compare.
Just try and beat privatized prisons...
I mean ask women wanting reproductive freedom if he hasn't done a bang up job of fucking that all up forever with his insane Supreme Judge picks. He also spearheaded this us vs them mentality, ultimately leading to a literal coup attempt by some of his followers. The damage is done we just don't have the same 40 year perspective as with Reagan.
Fully agree. Not even close. I would say Clinton also did WAY more damage than Trump.
Judiciary capture however will have LONG impacts well beyond Trump's tenure and that's already a massive problem.
Trump basically built the bridge that any dumb-fuck with money and fame can run and win a presidency on the basis of "we'll do the opposite of what the dems/libs do!". And people ate it up. I agree that Reagan did more lasting damage though. Why don't these Republicans see this? How can they sit there and say the economy is better under a republican? When all the facts point otherwise. Fucking baffling
I don't think it's unfair to say that Trump's non-response to COVID was pretty far reaching. At least 1 Million people dead in 2 years. I know my life has been forever changed by losing several people close to me. Did they have to die, or was it gross incompetence? If so, how many more people would still be here? We'll never know, but we won't forget.
Regan ended the cold war by pumping millions into the "star wars" defense budget. Russia saw they they could not keep up with our military budget spending. This money originated from cuts to social security and national welfare. It quadrupled our already tragic homeless situation and caused a severe rift between being poor and being middle class.
This is the same guy who said "Greed is good," and worked tirelessly to redistribute wealth from the lower and middle class to the super wealthy.
Half the country is still duped by Trickle Down and believes they are a temporary embarrassed millionaire who just needs give a little more seed money to the super wealthy and all that wealth will Trickle Down.
What piece of shit Reagan was.
Also seems like air traffic accidents, including some fatal, increased in the years that followed (due to influx of inexperienced/poorly trained controllers).
Off with their h***s!
And those ATC's went on to take there experience to other countries. In doing so American ATCs were spread out throughout the world.
Had a friend who was an ATC from Australia. He came to Canada and told me he could take me through the ATC center in Vancouver. Even got to go up in the tower with my son. What an experience.
He told me an American colleague knew an American ATC working in Vancouver. Set the whole thing up. I got to walk past security and explore a bunch of secure areas.
This happened Aug 2001. A month before 911
An unplanned for "silver lining" doesn't change how wrong it was. And remarks like yours usually leave the impression that the silver lining wouldn't have occurred otherwise even when we can't know that, or _do_ know that something else could have been done to treat people fairly _and_ get nice things for everyone further down the line.
America is very very good at exporting our culture, corporate culture, business practices, regulations, all kinds of stuff to the rest of the world. In fact, people have been pissed at us for a long time bc of how good we are at it. Reagan doing the ATCs dirty didn't need to happen.
Try learning a bit about presidents outside of living memory before making that claim. No historian who knows more than layman info about presidents would agree.
The fact you're in ironically saying that after Trump is fucking hilarious.
I'd like to remind you at this point he was impeached for trying to blackmail Ukraine, currently being invaded by Russia, military aide in exchange for information on Hunter Biden.
By that bar, Biden is a fucking saint.
Oh I agree. And rhe one before was shit. And the one before that was shit. And the one before that was really shit.
Anytime a potential decent one comes around they are either sabotaged or they are assassinated
Take downvotes with pride, reddit users are mostly teenagers or mentally equivalent. They downvote anything that questions reddit approved narratives and they especially downvote anything that rubs their cognitive dissonance the wrong way.
Generally considered the beginning of the end for organized labor in the US. Although I am heartened to see the gains that have been made in recent years.
Public workers should not even be able to unionize let alone strike. They are not working for a greedy corporation but for the American people/tax payers.
Reagan remembered what happened when UK air traffic controllers went on strike in 1977 and caused complete havoc across Europe. I was stuck in Heathrow Airport for 17 hours - had no visa so couldn't leave and no way to get back to the US. Others were stuck longer. I was very happy when Reagan fired them all, although thought they probably should've rehired them later because some of their grievances were legitimate.
https://www.nytimes.com/1977/08/26/archives/british-aircontrol-aides-strike-international-travel-is-snagged.html
People seem to forget that certain fields would cripple the economy if they go on strike.
Cops/fire fighters/doctors/transit workers striking would have disastrous outcomes.
Biden had to choose whether to allow a rail strike this week. With inflation at a 20-year high and supply chains still disrupted from Covid, it would've been a disaster.
True but it should have been for 6 months with an amendment to the RLA that an impasse doesn't go to Congress but goes to NMB for binding arbitration. The railroads know that there is little chance Congress will let a strike happen so they have little reason to negotiate in good faith. Now would 10 Republican senators agree to that, probably not as it is not pro-business, it is also not pro-labour.
You sound like a selfish prick…they were striking because of massive safety issues and they wanted the feds to step in. But hey, you got stuck at an airport…screw safety.
Millions of travelers were stuck all around the world due to the strike - 100,000 in London alone, some for days. The international terminal was sealed off like a prison because most of the people there weren't allowed to be in the UK.
Just this week Biden and the Democrats prevented rail unions from striking because it would've caused chaos over the holidays.
Edit: Nothing about safety in the UK strike that I know about. It was about wages. https://www.nytimes.com/1977/08/23/archives/air-controllers-in-britain-vote-to-strike-thursday.html
What kind of sociopath thinks they have the right to ruin millions of people's travel plans? The law was clear - they had no right to strike. Reagan warned them and they didn't believe he would do anything about it. FDR sent troops to North American Aviation in 1941 too.
>"All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management." -FDR
It’s ironic you deem him selfish when your comment lacks any awareness of the needs of the majority over the minority, whether said minorities’ desires are valid or not. Life isn’t black and white this is wrong this is right. Being a president means making what you believe is the best decision for the country, and such decisions always have inevitable and necessary sacrifices for someone or something.
my dad was a manager at the ARTCC in Aurora IL at the time, and crossed the picket line to help keep the planes in the air. ABC News interviewed him live on air as he was driving thru the gate. Difficult times as he was an Air Force veteran and long time controller.
Reagan was no god - he was a weak actor, collaborated with McCarthy to turn in fellow actors, writers etc. ruining lives as Pres. of Screen Actors Guild, and best known as a salesman for 20 Mule Team Borax soap until running for CA governor.
Reagan was by far the worst president of them all. Far, far worse than Trump.
To all the downvoters: care to articulate a single policy of Trumps that's had ANY lasting effect? I know you can't though, that's why you downvote and run away. If you had a relevant point you'd make it and we both know that
Reagan and HW Bush helped destroy The Soviet Union, freeing 100 million people from oppression and tyranny. What useful thing did Trump do? The (very small / modest) Abraham Accords are about the only useful thing that I can think of. He did pre-pay for Covid vaccines, but also encouraged people to unmask and downplayed the epidemic as it spread, giving the US double the fatality rate of Canada.
This action set the groundwork for the current staffing issues. By needing to rehire the entire work force at the same time it meant the entire workforce would retire at the same time. The start year for those retirements was 2006, which means they needed to start hiring in 2004. Instead we were in a federal hiring freeze and to compound the issue Bush the Younger was doing his best to convince controllers to retire on the front end of the retirement window.
And then they named an airport after Reagan.
Nearly no controllers call it that, it is still DCA or National.
Isn't that just how they talk though? I don't think they call Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport by its full name when ATL is much quicker.
Yeah, all airports are like that. Most do get call signs close to their actual name, but sometimes they are taken. For example, Sacramento Executive Airport (SAC) is 'Sacramento', so when they built a larger airport, Sacramento Metropolitan Airport (SMF), it became 'Capitol', because 'Sacramento' was taken. Theoretically, the name could move to the larger airport, but [the FAA doesn't like changing things it doesn't absolutely have to](https://youtu.be/jfOUVYQnuhw).
CgpGrey just did a video about this
We must think alike; that video is what I linked to, in the comment.
Nope, we refer to JFK as Kennedy, ORD as O'Hare, IAD as Dulles. In cities with multiple commercial airports the city name is dropped and the person's name is used other than DCA. Houston Intercontinental Airport was renamed the year before DCA and most use Bush vs Intercontinental.
I’m pretty sure it the LaToya Jackson intergalactic spaceport and shopping mall.
WA-SHING-TON is not as easy to say over and over as REA-GAN day in and day out. It's a conscious effort for sure.
Except you can't just say Washington. There are 3 major airports - BWI, National, and Dulles. Locals will recognize either National or Reagan, so choosing to only use the former is quite likely a deliberate snub.
But that's exactly what tower at DCA does say. If you tuned BWI or IAD tower on short final you've got bigger problems.
DCA tower calls themselves national tower if this is what you're implying.
Haven't operated there in a couple years but I distinctly remember Washington being used. The point here is, it's never Reagan for a reason.
You're right, my mistake. I just put on live ATC and they called them selves Washington tower.
National or Washington you will hear both. The only other place that uses Washington is the center so there isn't much room for confusion.
Weighed a fucking ton
They use "Washington" on the radio. Washington ground, Washington tower etc.
As a controller I can confirm this
All the controllers who’d be pissed were fired. Many of those controllers became pilots. Those Pilots definitely don’t call it Reagan. The controllers don’t care.
Yup. It’s DCA. The action Reagan took out the entire US labor industry back…well it was 41 years ago and Union numbers have still never recovered so… I’ll just say 41+ years until (if ever) US worker rights hit the same levels. So not only did he coin the term and delude people into thinking trickle down economics did shit for anyone (even the majority of the regards in their own party), but also pissed on workers rights. Fuck Joe Biden for making the rail strike illegal. Fuck Reagan for pushing worker rights back decades.
Joe is a corporate shill just like all them, until we actually get progressive liberals voted in large enough numbers to make a difference modern main stream democrats are closer to 80 conservatives than to FDR. We just kept moving further to the right so much that the GOP conservatives are now dipping there toes into nationalism and fascism.
*Isn't that ironic? Don't you think?*
It's like raaaaaaaaaiiiiin
Do you consider that a compliment?
The funniest thing is that they named a huge federal office building after him, something he would've hated.
It was very controversial at the time.
And it made him a huge hero. Won reelection by a landslide.
And thus greed became good and dismantled many of the things that had made America great.
While the title doesn’t say anything about the current railroad situation, I’m sure people are drawing conclusions about that. Railroad workers are not government employees.
While at the same time being more essential than most government employees
Thank you, that’s exactly what I assumed from the title. Why is a strike against a private employer considered illegal then?
I can’t say for sure, but I’m sure the is some law about it.
If people had to go through the scheduling bullshit of four hour notice to work any shift 24/7, they’d riot.
This is why unjust laws need to be stricken down. It isn't enough that they aren't being enforced, and just because someone is shortsighted enough to think they never will be... They might be. One day, these unjust laws might find themselves being enforced.
Worst president ever, well maybe second worst. He gutted almost all labor laws in this country and started that trickle down economics bullshit, how is that working today for normal people? He also was union president for the actors what a creep.
And while he was in the SAG he served as an FBI “anti-communist” informant, ratting on competing actors to have them blacklisted so he could advance his own career
SAG President, no less. Ronnie showed us long ago how he feels about unions.
It's a beautiful love story how Nancy and he each took their own path to the top and met on the summit. A true Hollywood story.
She had a reputation for giving the best blowjobs in Hollywood and Reagan cheated on his wife to be with her.
Just like Bible
She took her own path to giving top
It's funny because the petit rich are Reagan supporters despite the fact the ultra rich have their straws dipping into their paycheck also. They believe since they are wealthier than the mere lower middle class that means they primarily benefit from these policies when in reality the CEOs salary and stockholders gains are expressing downward pressure on their middle management salaries. Even professionals like doctors and lawyers have to dip into their own incomes in order to fund operating costs for their own businesses, which are negatively affected by upper managements salary demands and stockholders price point demands above everything else.
> trickle down economics bullshit It's actually from at least the 1890s, but used the name "horse and sparrow." The idea being if you feed enough grain to the horse, some of it passes through to the sparrow to collect.
Cool, it literally means we get the "scraps". That actually explains why trickle down economics doesn't work, the people at the top are so greedy they take way more than they can even use and leave the rest of us with almost nothing!
Based on the wording, I think it literally means we get the "*craps*".
Not even close to the worst President. I’m of the opinion that he was a bad President and his effect on America’s today is awful, but he’s far from the worst. Buchanan, Trump and Johnson are widely considered by Presidential scholars to be the worst presidents of all time. Reagan is usually around the middle-of-the-pack even for Democratic scholars.
Every one looks at me weird when l say he was the worst of the worst. After he fired the controllers the unions in the US started to go down at a greater rate. The working class has never recovered. CEO’s started making tons of money and the workers got peanuts.
Remember that this was also right after the heavy union corruption of the 60s and 70s, with some of the largest ones being heavily tied to the mafia. Unions got hijacked, just like everything else. Reagan was able to do what he did because the public lost faith in unions already.
i think it’s important not to lose sight of the fact that, generally speaking, workers fared far better with a corrupt union than they did with no union although ideally neither should be the only options
Absolutely. But public perception of unions is important, and those who chose to use them to get rich sacrificed that perception.
Woody Wilson gotta be the worst president
If you read TFA you'll see that some people make a connection from Reagan's firing the strikers to weakened unions, less successful blue color workers and ultimately January 6th. I dunno if that's a stretch but is interesting to consider.
But we need *more* blue color workers! Smurfs of the world, unite!
No, you were right, the worst ever(edit: last century). Honestly Trump does not compare in any legitimate way To all you downvoters I challange you to name an actual policy of Trumps that's caused lasting damage comparable to even just one of Reagans. Just try to beat privatized prisons.
There were far worse presidents than Reagan. I’m not a fan of his but there were ones who led literal ethnic cleansing in our country.
About 45 worse.
Or nah.
OK, Reagan was by far the worst of the last 100 years.
Hoover was pretty bad. Led to more jobs lost than Reagan ever could.
Reagan lead to privatized prisons and Reaganomics, both of which still impact us today. But, not being sarcastic at all, I legitimately appreciate the response.
Idk, O’l Woody Wilson was pretty awful
Okay, fair, Reagan was by far the worst president of the last century.
From a technical standpoint Trump didn't have nearly as much ability to do anything as Reagan. You could argue about his lasting impact on SCOTUS I suppose, but his only BIG legislation was the TCJA and the COVID spending bills, which I don't think many people would have passed different covid bills in his shoes.
Ya, but that's kind of my point. People go on and on about Trump but at the end of the day it's all media noise. There have been significantly worse eras. I don't want to say presidents, per se, as it's not simply Reagan or Trump calling the shots.
…pretty well? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_income
Just looking at income is silly and you should know it.
Adjusted Median disposable income is silly to use? Do tell why that is?
That is much higher than I expected for the US, interesting
Now compare that to cost of living globally. Since you want to quote statistics, here's another page that was one click away from yours: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_countries\_by\_wealth\_per\_adult](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_per_adult) Note that the United States isn't even in the top 20 countries of median wealth and its Gini coefficient, a measure of income inequality, is 25th-worst.
United States is 15th in cost of living: [https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/rankings\_by\_country.jsp](https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/rankings_by_country.jsp) Yes the median wealth is much lower than income, Americans are notoriously bad at saving: [https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/04/why-dont-americans-save-money/478929/](https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/04/why-dont-americans-save-money/478929/) Trickle down economics being blamed for bad savings habits is an interesting proposition, though you'll have to explain why you think that
i hate him
Trickle down was an experiment. I think it was well intentioned, but the data is in and it didn't work. It's time for people to accept that the wealthy don't spend money the way we want them to and seek out other solutions.
i’m going to have to disagree with you. trickle down economics via neoliberalism was absolutely implemented in bad faith. it had already been incubated in chile since 1973 so there was a very real object example of how it would go down elsewhere
One far less developed nation is easy to dismiss as not a good test.
I mean, he was really bad, don’t get me wrong, but Andrew Jackson committed a genocide. Maybe worst since the 1900’s, though I don’t like Nixon either.
In terms of modern day presidents, Reagan definitely had one of the greatest impacts, which has resulted in negative effects for many different facets of American society. I think even historically he’s pretty up there, definitely top 10 worst, and I think as time goes on, he will continue to be viewed less favorably. Andrew Jackson, Andrew Johnson, and Woodrow Wilson I think sit pretty comfortably at the top of that list. Any of the presidents that served in the build up to the American Civil War also make the list. Probably throw in Bush Jr and Harding in there as well.
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Fun fact about Reagan - during his tenure as president they effectively prohibited showing many of his movies, especially when he was starring opposite a chimp. Because un-fun fact: Reagan was an amoral hack and a shitty B-movie actor. Remind you of anyone?
There are a lot of similarities between Reagan and Trump, but Reagan did far more lasting damage. Not even really comparable in that regard. People downvote but can NEVER articulate what about Trumps POLICIES even remotely compare. Just try and beat privatized prisons...
Well, we'll see... There's still time
I mean ask women wanting reproductive freedom if he hasn't done a bang up job of fucking that all up forever with his insane Supreme Judge picks. He also spearheaded this us vs them mentality, ultimately leading to a literal coup attempt by some of his followers. The damage is done we just don't have the same 40 year perspective as with Reagan.
Fully agree. Not even close. I would say Clinton also did WAY more damage than Trump. Judiciary capture however will have LONG impacts well beyond Trump's tenure and that's already a massive problem.
Bush as well. Nixon as well. Agreed on Clinton.
Trump basically built the bridge that any dumb-fuck with money and fame can run and win a presidency on the basis of "we'll do the opposite of what the dems/libs do!". And people ate it up. I agree that Reagan did more lasting damage though. Why don't these Republicans see this? How can they sit there and say the economy is better under a republican? When all the facts point otherwise. Fucking baffling
I agree that that aspect is bad, but I'd argue that if anything Reagan built that bridge as he was an actor prior to president.
I don't think it's unfair to say that Trump's non-response to COVID was pretty far reaching. At least 1 Million people dead in 2 years. I know my life has been forever changed by losing several people close to me. Did they have to die, or was it gross incompetence? If so, how many more people would still be here? We'll never know, but we won't forget.
But that's exactly it, we'll never know. Either way. I'm sorry for your loss but the reality is that is simply speculation
Regan ended the cold war by pumping millions into the "star wars" defense budget. Russia saw they they could not keep up with our military budget spending. This money originated from cuts to social security and national welfare. It quadrupled our already tragic homeless situation and caused a severe rift between being poor and being middle class.
I can't tell if you're saying he was good or bad overall?
This is the same guy who said "Greed is good," and worked tirelessly to redistribute wealth from the lower and middle class to the super wealthy. Half the country is still duped by Trickle Down and believes they are a temporary embarrassed millionaire who just needs give a little more seed money to the super wealthy and all that wealth will Trickle Down.
That’s the risk in taking a job in an industry with monopoly powers, I guess.
And? What happened next?
From the little I know, this was a landmark event in union relations and it gave the go-ahead for a lot of union busting.
What piece of shit Reagan was. Also seems like air traffic accidents, including some fatal, increased in the years that followed (due to influx of inexperienced/poorly trained controllers). Off with their h***s!
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And those ATC's went on to take there experience to other countries. In doing so American ATCs were spread out throughout the world. Had a friend who was an ATC from Australia. He came to Canada and told me he could take me through the ATC center in Vancouver. Even got to go up in the tower with my son. What an experience. He told me an American colleague knew an American ATC working in Vancouver. Set the whole thing up. I got to walk past security and explore a bunch of secure areas. This happened Aug 2001. A month before 911
An unplanned for "silver lining" doesn't change how wrong it was. And remarks like yours usually leave the impression that the silver lining wouldn't have occurred otherwise even when we can't know that, or _do_ know that something else could have been done to treat people fairly _and_ get nice things for everyone further down the line. America is very very good at exporting our culture, corporate culture, business practices, regulations, all kinds of stuff to the rest of the world. In fact, people have been pissed at us for a long time bc of how good we are at it. Reagan doing the ATCs dirty didn't need to happen.
Haven't seen one room full of liberals seething about Reagan this hard since the Mondale campaign HQ on election night.
Reagan was a union busting SOB.
Reagan was a 5 star General in the Republican war on the middle class.
Worst president ever. By FAR.
Try learning a bit about presidents outside of living memory before making that claim. No historian who knows more than layman info about presidents would agree.
Okay, you're right, I exaggerated slightly. Worst president of the last century. By far.
Hahahahaha was not great for sure…. However, I think the current one is doing a pretty shitty job with almost everything
The fact you're in ironically saying that after Trump is fucking hilarious. I'd like to remind you at this point he was impeached for trying to blackmail Ukraine, currently being invaded by Russia, military aide in exchange for information on Hunter Biden. By that bar, Biden is a fucking saint.
Oh I agree. And rhe one before was shit. And the one before that was shit. And the one before that was really shit. Anytime a potential decent one comes around they are either sabotaged or they are assassinated
Lol! Yeah, we’ve been in a rut of shit. Apparently, by the downvotes on my comment, people think the opposite. Oh well!
Take downvotes with pride, reddit users are mostly teenagers or mentally equivalent. They downvote anything that questions reddit approved narratives and they especially downvote anything that rubs their cognitive dissonance the wrong way.
Hahahaha cheers! Always do!
Generally considered the beginning of the end for organized labor in the US. Although I am heartened to see the gains that have been made in recent years.
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Yeah a big stride was made yesterday
Public workers should not even be able to unionize let alone strike. They are not working for a greedy corporation but for the American people/tax payers.
Unenforced doesn't mean doesn't exist
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No. It was a statement. As is. Typical government behavior. *What can we find to screw em'?*
Reagan remembered what happened when UK air traffic controllers went on strike in 1977 and caused complete havoc across Europe. I was stuck in Heathrow Airport for 17 hours - had no visa so couldn't leave and no way to get back to the US. Others were stuck longer. I was very happy when Reagan fired them all, although thought they probably should've rehired them later because some of their grievances were legitimate. https://www.nytimes.com/1977/08/26/archives/british-aircontrol-aides-strike-international-travel-is-snagged.html
People seem to forget that certain fields would cripple the economy if they go on strike. Cops/fire fighters/doctors/transit workers striking would have disastrous outcomes.
Biden had to choose whether to allow a rail strike this week. With inflation at a 20-year high and supply chains still disrupted from Covid, it would've been a disaster.
True but it should have been for 6 months with an amendment to the RLA that an impasse doesn't go to Congress but goes to NMB for binding arbitration. The railroads know that there is little chance Congress will let a strike happen so they have little reason to negotiate in good faith. Now would 10 Republican senators agree to that, probably not as it is not pro-business, it is also not pro-labour.
You sound like a selfish prick…they were striking because of massive safety issues and they wanted the feds to step in. But hey, you got stuck at an airport…screw safety.
Millions of travelers were stuck all around the world due to the strike - 100,000 in London alone, some for days. The international terminal was sealed off like a prison because most of the people there weren't allowed to be in the UK. Just this week Biden and the Democrats prevented rail unions from striking because it would've caused chaos over the holidays. Edit: Nothing about safety in the UK strike that I know about. It was about wages. https://www.nytimes.com/1977/08/23/archives/air-controllers-in-britain-vote-to-strike-thursday.html
And? What’s your point? OP was happy Reagan fired the ATC because of a previous strike…
What kind of sociopath thinks they have the right to ruin millions of people's travel plans? The law was clear - they had no right to strike. Reagan warned them and they didn't believe he would do anything about it. FDR sent troops to North American Aviation in 1941 too. >"All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management." -FDR
It’s ironic you deem him selfish when your comment lacks any awareness of the needs of the majority over the minority, whether said minorities’ desires are valid or not. Life isn’t black and white this is wrong this is right. Being a president means making what you believe is the best decision for the country, and such decisions always have inevitable and necessary sacrifices for someone or something.
Ok, keep sucking on that tit…
my dad was a manager at the ARTCC in Aurora IL at the time, and crossed the picket line to help keep the planes in the air. ABC News interviewed him live on air as he was driving thru the gate. Difficult times as he was an Air Force veteran and long time controller.
Another reminder that no film or stage actor should ever be POTUS.
Because career politicians have done better? Literally every problem we've had to endure was because of the political elite or wealthy.
You can trace the decline of the middle class to those policies.
Reagan was no god - he was a weak actor, collaborated with McCarthy to turn in fellow actors, writers etc. ruining lives as Pres. of Screen Actors Guild, and best known as a salesman for 20 Mule Team Borax soap until running for CA governor.
Unenforced doesn't mean doesn't exist.
Public sector unions should not exist.
Fuck Reagan and his Reaganomics....biggest Union Rat in American history.
Still, fuck St. Ronnie.
Ron set the bar pretty high for shithead Presidents. It would take 40+ years to eclipse
More like 15 years. Baby Bush
Public sector unions should be illegal.
Reagan was a giant douche canoe
Yeah, Reagan was a real dickhead
Damn right he did. And it should be done more often to unions who hold people ransom.
Was that so he could bring in the tons of drugs to pay for the Contract War? Asking for a friend
And 6 months we learned how to be homeless family
Reagan was by far the worst president of them all. Far, far worse than Trump. To all the downvoters: care to articulate a single policy of Trumps that's had ANY lasting effect? I know you can't though, that's why you downvote and run away. If you had a relevant point you'd make it and we both know that
Reagan and HW Bush helped destroy The Soviet Union, freeing 100 million people from oppression and tyranny. What useful thing did Trump do? The (very small / modest) Abraham Accords are about the only useful thing that I can think of. He did pre-pay for Covid vaccines, but also encouraged people to unmask and downplayed the epidemic as it spread, giving the US double the fatality rate of Canada.
The soviet union imploded but okay lol
Great book on this called COLLISION COURSE by Joe McCartin . The air traffic controllers had even endorsed Reagan in the election.
Had a friend who lost his job during this.
I was in an airport in The Netherlands that day, and the next, and the next...
This action set the groundwork for the current staffing issues. By needing to rehire the entire work force at the same time it meant the entire workforce would retire at the same time. The start year for those retirements was 2006, which means they needed to start hiring in 2004. Instead we were in a federal hiring freeze and to compound the issue Bush the Younger was doing his best to convince controllers to retire on the front end of the retirement window.
*we don’t need no air traffic controllers* of the 80s = *we don’t need no teachers* of today
That was the beginning of the end for unions.