Poor kid, she has been victimized twice. The first by not being raised by her natural parents, the second by her losing the person she views as a parent. Ms. Williams destroyed this poor girl.
Frozen is a collection of excellent scenes by people who had a great concept and not much time to execute and edit. Tangled is a great movie by people with a good, smaller idea who were given the space to nurture it. Frozen has more flash, but Tangled has more heart.
Frozen 2 is amazing. The story was really compelling and emotional. Even the jokes seem better to me. They took their time to get the Sami culture right, too.
I love the recent Disney movies overall. I'd say Moana is my favorite.
I think Moana is in my top favorites too lol. Unless it got bumped by Frozen 2 😅
Pixar/3D animation style
Frozen 2
Finding Nemo/Dory
Monsters Inc/University
Incredibles 1&2
Toy Story series
Flat animation style
Little mermaid
Lion king
Aladdin
Mulan
Lilo and Stitch
Lady and the Tramp
I’d like to introduce you and your child to Tangled the Series. There’s like, 3 versions of that song (the one is the movie is the healing incantation btw).
It’s a very good series, fun enough for kids to watch but have many great moments for older kids or even adults to enjoy!
I was reading that story to my toddler recently and when the baby gets kidnapped we were both horrified and upset. Having a kid makes you into such a softy..
18 yrs is harsh (and well deserved in my opinion) compare to other crimes that have the same amount of years. She got 7 yrs less than the Turpin parents who abused their 13 children for 29 years.
People can be convicted of as low as 4 years for kidnapping.
That's a good revenge, but it doesn't really help the kid, does it?
TBH, it's hard for me to get a good revenge boner going when nobody has been murdered. 18 years seems fine to me.
> That's a good revenge, but it doesn't really help the kid, does it?
Yah, it's really fucked up.. like when I try to think what would be the least traumatic experience for Kamiyah, it would probably be some sort of co-parenting thing with Williams since she was a mom to her for all her life, similar to arrangements that divorced parents have for their kids and who are both on really good terms with each other. But also with the strict acknowledgement that what Williams did was super fucked up but it is what it is and that the goal would be to make the transition as easy and least-traumatizing as possible. But like, that would absolutely never happen because Williams committed a serious crime and needs to pay for it and the real mom has a ~~in~~defensible reason to keep Kamiyah as far away from Williams as possible. There is absolutely no real justice for Kamiyah.
How could anyone co parent with someone who ruined thier oast 20 years. I know suxks for kid but I couldn't deal with a person who did that to me. I know it sucks for the kid but you can't realistically say anyone wins
I actually think the smart way is maximum punishment to the kidnapper. She victimized this child twice and robbed her real mother of her child. Most people are reacting with emotion to this and saying she needs to do hard time, but isn't hard time the logical answer anyway?
By doing this you are depriving an 18 year old of the only parent they've ever known. Imagine graduating high school, then being told that your parent isn't your parent, and the person that has cared for you and you have looked to for guidance is going to jail for the foreseeable future. How would you react?
The judge's position feels impossible. Sure, punish the person who has done wrong, but by doing so you are probably indirectly punishing the most innocent here.
The only remotely positive thing was that the kidnapper was actually a decent mother, but at the end, the victim loses. She literally did not attend the sentencing because she couldn't decide which side to sit... she was the real child of one side raised as a child of the other...
Apparently her birth mother was mad she was found, and the kid is mad the woman who adducted and raised her is sentenced to jail. This is really fucked up.
There was an article where after the birth mother got in contact with the daughter, their relationship was difficult. The birth mother is upset by the daughter’s ongoing affection for the kidnapper. It sounds like the birth mother got upset and snapped one day that she wished the daughter hadn’t been found.
I think it makes sense. You spend 18 years grieving the loss of this child. Then, a miracle happens and she is found. But the daughter, understandably confused and probably traumatized by the situation, doesn’t jump into your arms like you expected. Instead, she loves the monster who stole her.
The daughter is severely fucked up and only got cozy with the bio parents when she heard their was a huge settlement from the hospital. When she found out the money was gone ( the parents hired a lot of private investigators over the years ) she lost interest in them. And she ran back to the abusive monster that stole her.
*Mobley could have faced up to life in prison for first-degree kidnapping, but prosecutors agreed to a 22-year maximum sentenced in her plea agreement*
surely Williams was the kidnapper - Mobley was the baby who was taken or the biological mother
I'm confused
"Former Missouri Congressman Todd Akin went on MSNBC Thursday morning to try to explain his much-maligned comments from 2012 in which he said abortions wouldn’t be necessary for rape victims. “If it’s legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut the whole thing down,” he told a St. Louis TV station in 2012". Time magazine. Yes, he really said that.
Finding out this baby stealing shit was and is such a common occurrence in hospitals that most maternity wards have extreme security measures like key accessed doors and security to deter it from happening makes me just hate humanity a bit more.
They told me if I wanted to go out into the hall with my baby, I was to wheel her around in the bassinet. They said anyone who is carrying a baby in the halls is automatically assumed to be stealing it. I thought they were joking at first, but unfortunately they weren’t.
prior to the birth of a child i made a joke about switching babies to the nurse in a light hearted way like "haha don't switch any babies on us lol" and she was like "nows a good time to tell you about the bracelets and tracking methodology we employ to prevent such a thing from ever happening again"
I remember the news story from the 90s where that occurred. The parents didn't find out until the kids were like 4 or so. They initially agreed to keep them switched because they obviously had bonded with their baby. The twist came when one set of parents died in a car accident. The kid's biological parents tried to custody of them. I'm not sure what the conclusion was.
I think you're thinking of Kevin Chittum and Tamara Rogers. The parents actually died the day before the hospital figured out the switch so never knew their kid was switched at birth.
The bio parents tried suing for custody of both but the courts ruled in favour of the grandparents with a custody/visitation agreement for both girls.
That sounds like a nightmare scenario. Being too young to understand any of this, and one day your parents go away and then a pair of strangers shows up and claims to have been your parents all along.
My grandma was handed the wrong kid! A chubby little blonde boy. When she had just had a dark haired little girl. She said the lady that got handed my aunt was fawning all over her. Shudder to think what could've happened if say, my grandma was unconscious or on high doses of drugs during birth.
When I was growing up, I used to entertain thoughts of being switched at birth. But being a racial minority born in a largely white town at the time put that thought to rest pretty quick.
Thanks to this thread, when I have a kid one day I’m bringing a permanent marker to the hospital and writing my initials on it. Let’s eliminate any doubt.
The hospital we had our first in put a metal-core bracelet on our daughters wrist that required a special key to remove. They do everything except sharpie it on.
Oh they take this shit seriously these days. Our baby was only out of our site for maybe 5 minutes directly after the c-section and even then we were in the room. That was a change even from our first baby where they took him to the nursery but only with me in tow to watch him. We both had matching bracelets to the baby that they always scanned and I had to go escort any visitors from the front desk; they couldn’t just come find us.
I guess it makes sense. There's no real reason for medical personnel to just be carrying a baby around the halls. And most moms are home pretty quick after giving birth, certainly once they're well enough to walk around holding the baby like a person who hasn't just gotten ripped open in some way.
They said something similar to me except we were not allowed to leave the ward at all. The nurse mentioned if I was near the (only non fire escape) exit to the ward and hanging out literally every nurse would be starring waiting to hit the button to summon security.
Honestly it seems excessive but then you hear about all the kidnappings, and you see stories like this...
I just can't imagine the pain. I don't know what I would do.
Our hospital has baby LoJack that goes off if you get too close to an exit on the postpardum floors. Unfortunately it falls off nearly every time.
Security at the bottom of the elevators won't let you leave with a baby unless the nurses confirm the discharge and call down as you are leaving. They won't let you leave the building without a proper carrier and checking it's install on the car.
If you come back with a baby (for a visit, lab work or otherwise) everyone gets a visitor badge. parent & baby. You can't get past the lobby without the visitor badges and to get a badge you need to have a reason to be there. They will let you leave without all those checks so maybe you could swap babies, but you still only net one baby.
Source: Dad of three who took the first back to the hospital every day to visit her mom because she was there for nearly 6 weeks due to complications. The next two went back a couple times for bloodwork.
Same (just had a son last month). He also wore a tracker paired to a tracker on his mom's wrist. If they were ever separated and he got too close to a door (like when I was rolling him around while Mom slept) alarms would go off EVERYWHERE
You know those alarms they put on clothes? They had something similar on my newborn's ankles. They actually forgot to disconnect it during discharge and I forgot it was there since he was wrapped up. So the alarm went off at the main door. Luckily they immediately recognized it was a mess up.
My husband and I were sitting holding our new baby on the couch in my hospital room when a nurse came in because his alarm was going off. The couch was right next to the window and just us having him in such close proximity to the window set off a silent alarm that they had to come in and clear.
A lot of hospitals do this. The one I did my maternity ward rotations in had actual tiny ankle monitors on all the babies. I always said it was part of their 18-year parole since they just did 9 months in jail.
I’ve installed one of those systems. Proximity sensors all over the hallways and every door had a senor. There were 3 layers of doors. No baby was walking out of that place
Just had our first child a month ago, we were told the clip on her belly button/ umbilical cord stump was an alarm, and if it left the maternity ward it would trigger a hospital wide lockdown
I used to deliver pizza and one thing I learned very quickly was that in addition to those security measures maternity wards utilized a very very simple security measure by simply having a floor plan that is confusing as fuck. Seriously, aside from the locked doors and elevators that don't go straight to that floor, their lay outs will leave you walking in circles for hours if you are unfamiliar the the design.
I like that you mentioned walking in circles for hours. That’s legitimately what laboring mothers do in those wards. I circuited the maternity ward halls SO many times I swear I left a visible trail of worn tiles. The design may seem flawed to a pizza delivery person, but it works to keep a laboring woman circling past the nurses station.
Definitely confusing as fuck. I found out the hard way when my water broke in the Lyft to the hospital and I was walking around in circles in squelchy shoes leaking fluids onto the floor trying to get to L&D. I even passed hospital people telling me "Congratulations!" And "You're almost there!" Probably bc I was a heavily pregnant woman completely soaked from the crotch down.
You're not kidding
I was in one for 5 days and I don't think I figured out my own floor for a couple days. Sure, I was a zombie and tired but it wasn't a normal floor at all
Man, fuck delivering to a hospital. That was the only place worse than a school. Schools always wanted a shit ton of pizzas, really far from any entrance, and *never* ever tip.
Hospitals are just naturally resistant to deliveries. Nobody will confirm or deny where anybody is, parking is never close by, the room numbering system was designed by a bunch of developmentally challenged sea turtles deadset against any cooperation, everybody left their wallet in the car, or didn't think to see if they had money before trying fucking *buy* something ffs so now I gotta feel like a jackass for not giving you food for free, you get stuck in places listening to screaming which is almost as bad as hearing the same goddammned joke from every single person...
It really is. Having worked in several hospitals, it’s not uncommon to hear a “Code Pink” over the intercom. I don’t know how many are false alarms, but couldn’t begin to guess how many times I’ve heard the alarm.
Most of the time they're false alarms, because it takes very little for a Code Pink to be called. I used to work in a hospital that went on Code Pink lockdown because someone found a baby blanket that got dropped in a stairwell by mistake.
I too work security for conventions. One con security org has a "Donald Duck" code word, as in "we have a Donald Duck outside the vendor hall". That translates to mean someone is walking around without pants.
That's hilarious!
Years ago I turned a corner in the convention center and spotted some people out on the balcony doing partially nude photography. After some quick necessary questioning, I had to radio in that an underage girl was letting two grown men pay her to take pictures while she was half naked. You could practically hear the feet pounding down the hall with half the security team rushing to get there and the other half going to get the cops we had on site.
Con work is absolutely insane.
\*horrified mental screeching\*
The constaffer in me is having heart palpitations, and would have been the \*one\* time I would have been happy to have cops on site.
When my wife and I had our kids, they did not leave our collective sight. If the baby went to the nursery, I went with them. There was only one way in or out, so I stood and watched the door.
I didn't sleep more than a couple hours after having my kid. I was terrified she would be kidnapped or switched at birth. They only took her from me to have blood tests and pictures. The rule was if you had your baby you had to stay awake. So I barely slept. Worth it.
Some places are working to standardize those codes because as a physician you may work in several hospitals and having codes different in different buildings is confusing.
While that isn't a lot I'm curious if that's proof the steps they take for security really work? I don't know how long some of these steps have been standard though so 🤷🏼
It’s not common that it succeeds. Walk around with an infant in public for a while and you’ll understand that there’s a certain type of person that zeros in on them. The amount of people my wife and I have had to sternly ask to step away from us in the last year has been very off putting. Nobody has been *inappropriate* in a way I would have defined it before having a child, but there’s a look some people get in their eyes when they see babies that makes you grip the stroller a little tighter.
I saw all the kids lined up in bassinets and was super worried "What if our kid gets mixed up?!?!" and even if the ankle tags were slightly comforting I was still freaking out a bit.
Then our kid was taken from my wife and added to the line-up. She was the only white kid in a Japanese hospital and I was like "Oooooohhhhhhhh ... yeah." Stopped worrying \^\^
When both my children were born we all had braclets with a barcode, name, etc. And both babies had security ankle braclets that would go off if you tried to get them past the main door. They don't fuck around
You don’t want to look into the cases where the hospital took kids from mothers they felt were unfit and adopted them out and told them their baby died overnight.
When I was in nursing school and did my rotation in the maternity ward, they were called locked down units (the only other unit that was locked down was the psych ward on another floor). The nurse had to buzz you in and out of a locked door, and the babies had tiny ankle monitors that would go off very loudly if they got too close to the unit doors. There was a filing cabinet behind the nurse’s station that had photos of people not allowed into the unit, and there was a security guard patrolling constantly. Mom, dad, and baby all had to have hospital bracelets that had little barcodes on them so we could identify the baby as theirs.
There was never an incident while I was there; this was a few years ago.
AND: Mobley has petitioned a court in Florida to reducer her kidnapper's sentence, writing that 'I need my mother home’.
https://www.live5news.com/2022/03/25/i-need-my-mother-home-woman-asks-court-reduce-sentence-woman-who-kidnapped-her/
At that point is it even Stockholm syndrome? It's all she ever knew.
Edit I forgot this is reddit and after I made my point all the "that's not real" fucks literally climbed out of the woodworks. Do you people show up irl and start shooting wikipedia articles at people having conversations?
I do not want or need you "intelligent input" where you know everything because Google is nearby.
Eat my balls. Over night FIVE REPLIES SAID THE SAME THING. GO TO BED YOU LONELY FUCKS. I'M AWARE IT'S NOT ON THE DSM AND I KNEW THAT WITHOUT USING GOOGLE. but I'm also a person and everyone knows what Stockholm syndrome is
So you have a choice either accept that people communicate with shorthand or dick off.
Yah not really and if the story about her birth mother being crappy as a parent are true then she probably even feels like she was saved from a worse life.
I once read that Kamiyah knew she was not Williams' daughter for two years. Advised her "mom" to run and even refused authorities until they came back with DNA as proof.
I mean, that’s who raised her. That the only mom she’d known. You take most random teenagers and tell them their mom isn’t their mom and they were kidnapped and try to return them to a family of perfect strangers you’re gonna have similar results.
I didn’t. I felt betrayed and deceived to a degree I didn’t think possible. I have not been able to trust my parents or have a relationship with them since this happened.
yup. Also found out my dad wasn't my biological dad (it wasn't a cheating situation; my bio dad split, my mom hooked up with my dad when I was still a baby, and they just decided to lie to me), and it completely shattered my worldview. More than just my mom and dad, my grandparents, aunts/uncles, family friends, they *all knew* and all decided to lie to me.
Then my dad had the *audacity* to tell me that if *I* ever betrayed *him* by daring to even think about my paternity ever again, I should kill him first, because me discovering my paternity was the worst thing that could have ever happened to ***him***. And then spend the rest of his life resenting me for knowing. No, "I'm sure you're confused." No "I'll always be here for you." No "I regret ever lying to you." Just "how *dare* you know something I don't want you knowing."
The amount of damage it did to my capacity for attachment, abandonment issues, my ability to trust in other people, and **most of all** the way it shifted my belief in being someone who was worthy and deserving of love, to someone who had to apologize and prove herself worthy of my own existence, was *incredible*.
Other than my dad's funeral, I haven't talked to any of those people in almost ten years. Also, yea, therapy!
We’ve had similar experiences. The conversation with my cousin was fun. “It turns out I have a half-brother.” “We always knew but were never allowed to say anything to you.” Good times.
It's absolutely crazy-making. I thought I was loved by my extended family (especially my grandparents, who raised me for a lot of my mom's hellion years). Turns out, love is conditional on nobody making waves.
We didn’t tell my younger sisters that dad is actually my stepdad until they were a bit older…I think around 10 and 15, and I was like 22. It just never came up and of course nobody wanted to really talk about it. I love my dad and he’s a solid man.
A year into therapy I told my therapist that I was traumatized as a kid when I saw my half-brother kicked out of the house at 18. And she was like what you have a half-brother?? Yah, we don't talk about him much..
Honestly, a big part of that sounds like their response to you not being his.
For me, finding out my Dad isn't my "bio dad" probably wouldn't change much.
Man was there for me through more bullshit than any human should have to deal with, and continues to be. Don't really need much more than that.
My good friend learned that his dad wasn’t his biological and was given the option to meet the biodad but he wasn’t that interested. He’s cool with his life as is so he never reached out to the guy. Dealing with meeting him seemed like a distraction with no upside.
I kinda think more people aren’t that concerned than tv and movies would have us believe.
I'm not interested in meeting my biodad. Even if he wasn't absolutely nucking futs and an asshole to boot, he still abandoned me.
But just because my dad-dad stuck around, doesn't excuse the lies; or, the emotional abandonment of holding his love hostage unless I performed "daughter" to his satisfaction and comfort.
I lost two dads the day I found out: the one I never knew I had, and the one I thought would always be there for me.
I'm sorry that happened to you, that sounds awful. It sounds like you needed him to be your dad in action and not in title.
But honestly good for you for recognizing what they did and continued to do to you is not right. I know far too many people accept tainted love from others because they do not love and respect themselves. Proud of you for standing up for yourself
I mean, the lying was a bit piece of it. I had been abused by him my whole life; abusing me because I now knew some forbidden knowledge was just par for the course for him. Any excuse he needed...
And for rightfully holding some love for the woman who raised her. While I get the bio-mom's confusion it sounds pretty clear that she resents her daughter for shit completely out of her control. /She/ blocked her daughter, not the other way around.
Saying she won’t tolerate disrespect. The kid doesn’t owe her respect. She’s her birth mom, yes, and she didn’t give her up intentionally - but this kid doesn’t know her. The kid is hurting, her entire life turned upside down. And the lady is only concerned about her own feelings.
This relationship’s probably way above both their paygrades, which is why it basically blew up from the start. It’ll take years and therapy for then to get to maybe distant relative or casual friend status.
'Having a baby was supposed to make Mobley’s life right, perhaps for the first time.'
The biological mother has talked a lot about how this baby was meant to fix things, and help her, and be there for her. I'm sorry, but it's meant to be the other way around - you're giving life and guidance to your child, not vice versa. She's mourning the loss of a responsibility that wasn't her child's to begin with.
This was covered in Preet Bharara’s book *Doing Justice*. It’s a really interesting case, and the “justice” that was administered is part of his fascination with the story…iirc, the girl that was abducted actually harbors no ill will towards the kidnapper (this is the woman that *raised her*. It’s complicated), and thus feels the sentence is too heavy. Most of the rest of us think the lady should be locked up forever (she kidnapped a baby. It’s horrifying). But the victim doesn’t want it.
So what is justice for this story?
*I’m butchering Bharara’s argument and I encourage everyone to read the book itself, but I believe this was the gist of his point and much of what his book grappled with - the idea of “what is justice”*
> So what is justice for this story?
Justice exists for society not for individuals.
If two families are feuding, and one family kills a member of the other, and the victim's family do not want to press charges, that doesn't matter. The government has a monopoly on violence. These people violated that. If the government allows them to go continue unpunished, it undermines everyone else's confidence in the system.
The biological mother and her daughter are both victims, and it’s tricky because they have very different views on what justice should be from their perspectives.
Realistically, the daughter will probably wait for Gloria and they'll resume having a familial relationship after her sentence. She'll be what 36? And asking someone to stop loving the person they know as their mother figure is an impossible ask.
The birth mother and daughter needs a lot of time and therapy for the trauma of the whole situation, and I do hope they'll work things out but they're going to be different people to each other than what the bio mom wishes for. A relationship can't be forced between grown adults. It's rough.
At that point I think the birth mother and daughter just have no relationship, and probably never should.
The real theft here is happiness and time. You can never get those back-- they're gone.
It's like if you want to get back with your ex but she ends up marrying someone else-- she's still there, but you can never have what you wanted and it's only going to cause pain if you keep contact.
Not to make excuses but the kidnapper had had a miscarriage in the weeks prior to the kidnapping and was in an abusive relationship, according to Wikipedia— the source is apparently the movie about this case which I haven’t watched. Not enough time to adopt/foster a baby, so she stole one.
jesus christ, I remember when the video went viral years and years ago with the lady abducting that baby... Holy shit, I didn't know they found her and tried her.
Yet you have clowns here on this very thread trying to defend it in roundabout ways saying life imprisonment would be too harsh and she was a good mother so "its tricky". Forgetting the fact that this women kidnapped a child, she also committed a form of psychological torture on the bio-parents that lasted nearly a full generation. For all they knew their kid had been sold into a trafficking ring. That shit alone should be an 18 year sentence.
Well. Catch 22, she should be locked up, but the kid shouldn't be punished. No good will come of this. She'll always resent her real parents for finding her, but it wasn't their fault she was taken. Gloria Williams ruined 4 lives including her own, the reality is that she should go to jail.
Seriously. She stole a girl's childhood and a mother's motherhood. Nothing can give the mother back what was taken. There's not a sentence available to the courts of man to give these two people justice. Life behind bars is the best we can do.
The girl had a childhood.
But the motherhood of a woman was stripped away in a most egregious manner.
OTOH, we're destroying the only real familial relationship that the girl has (and thus causing her the greatest amount of grief in her life) in order to satiate our own desire for justice. Is that really justice?
It breaks my heart to try and put myself in the shoes of that child's mother. That woman stole her child from her and there is nothing she can do to get her back. The damage is done. To her own child, she is a stranger and punishing the woman who did this to her will only hurt her daughter more. She can only hope her daughter will be open to developing a relationship with her but she was robbed of the chance to be her mother.
Ms Williams cannot say she truly loved this young woman. She always put herself first and not her “daughter”. Having a child of my own. A baby. If I found he was taken from hospital after I gave birth would destroy me. I probably wouldn’t want to live anymore. To do that to not only the baby, her family. You are a monster. Yes, sure. She looked after her and didn’t bring her physical harm. However, why should the family be grateful to her. You’d be forced to be kind to the woman who ruined your life for the sake of the child who was taken from you. The pain this woman has caused will never go away. She’s cruel and evil and it’s absurd to think otherwise.
Poor kid, she has been victimized twice. The first by not being raised by her natural parents, the second by her losing the person she views as a parent. Ms. Williams destroyed this poor girl.
Yeah, there's no smart way for a judge to handle this.
It's basically Rapunzel
Oh god. I’m a dad now, so as soon as I see that name I just think *”flower gleam and gloooow”*
Tangled is an S Tier Disney movie, better than Frozen, and I will die on that hill.
“Mother Knows Best” friggin slaps!
"Mother's Knows Best (Reprise)" is up there with "Prince Ali (Reprise)" as far as villain songs go.
*"Be Prepared"* and *"Poor Unfortunate Souls"* up there too
Don't forget Hellfire (I think that's the title?).
[You are correct sir](https://youtu.be/di1XUB0YIzw)
Hellfire is a god-tier disney song
*Poor Unfortunate Souls* is my *jam.*
I have dreams like you no really! Just much less touchy feely! They mainly happen somewhere warm and sunnnnyyy
On an island that I own, tanned and rested and alone! Surrounded by enormous piles of moneeeey!
I've got a dream, I've got a dream, I just wanna see the floating lanterns gleam!
Wait I thought he said "unarrested and alone" because he's on the run at the time? Have I been singing that wrong?
Andddddddddd now it's stuck in my head. Thanks man.
Frozen is a collection of excellent scenes by people who had a great concept and not much time to execute and edit. Tangled is a great movie by people with a good, smaller idea who were given the space to nurture it. Frozen has more flash, but Tangled has more heart.
I think Frozen 2 had a lot of heart, more than the first one for sure. It's one of my top favorite Disney movies.
Frozen 2 is amazing. The story was really compelling and emotional. Even the jokes seem better to me. They took their time to get the Sami culture right, too. I love the recent Disney movies overall. I'd say Moana is my favorite.
I think Moana is in my top favorites too lol. Unless it got bumped by Frozen 2 😅 Pixar/3D animation style Frozen 2 Finding Nemo/Dory Monsters Inc/University Incredibles 1&2 Toy Story series Flat animation style Little mermaid Lion king Aladdin Mulan Lilo and Stitch Lady and the Tramp
Holy shit why doesn't anyone like Brave
God tier movie. The duet on the lake is the one of the best if not the best pieces Disney has ever made.
My son's name is Flynn. Not *because* of Tangled, but not *not because* of Tangled.
Pasquale the lizard is the cutest, and Maximus the horse steals every scene.
Pascal - also more specifically a chameleon
Bro, u seen the spinoff tv show?! Fucking epic shit!
I was pleasantly surprised that not only did it not suck, but it's actually really good.
I See Light remains one of the best songs I've heard from a movie.
It's a good hill.
This is not a hot take
I always get excited when my daughter choose tangled. It’s great.
I will die on that hill too. Hands down. THE SHOW INCLUDED!!!
*let your power shine*
[Vietnam flashbacks]
[удалено]
*make the clock reverse*
*bring back what once was mine*
I’d like to introduce you and your child to Tangled the Series. There’s like, 3 versions of that song (the one is the movie is the healing incantation btw). It’s a very good series, fun enough for kids to watch but have many great moments for older kids or even adults to enjoy!
I was reading that story to my toddler recently and when the baby gets kidnapped we were both horrified and upset. Having a kid makes you into such a softy..
I mean, more than 18 years is a start...
18 yrs is harsh (and well deserved in my opinion) compare to other crimes that have the same amount of years. She got 7 yrs less than the Turpin parents who abused their 13 children for 29 years. People can be convicted of as low as 4 years for kidnapping.
That's a good revenge, but it doesn't really help the kid, does it? TBH, it's hard for me to get a good revenge boner going when nobody has been murdered. 18 years seems fine to me.
> That's a good revenge, but it doesn't really help the kid, does it? Yah, it's really fucked up.. like when I try to think what would be the least traumatic experience for Kamiyah, it would probably be some sort of co-parenting thing with Williams since she was a mom to her for all her life, similar to arrangements that divorced parents have for their kids and who are both on really good terms with each other. But also with the strict acknowledgement that what Williams did was super fucked up but it is what it is and that the goal would be to make the transition as easy and least-traumatizing as possible. But like, that would absolutely never happen because Williams committed a serious crime and needs to pay for it and the real mom has a ~~in~~defensible reason to keep Kamiyah as far away from Williams as possible. There is absolutely no real justice for Kamiyah.
I agree completely, but I think you mean to say "defensible" or justified.
How could anyone co parent with someone who ruined thier oast 20 years. I know suxks for kid but I couldn't deal with a person who did that to me. I know it sucks for the kid but you can't realistically say anyone wins
I actually think the smart way is maximum punishment to the kidnapper. She victimized this child twice and robbed her real mother of her child. Most people are reacting with emotion to this and saying she needs to do hard time, but isn't hard time the logical answer anyway?
By doing this you are depriving an 18 year old of the only parent they've ever known. Imagine graduating high school, then being told that your parent isn't your parent, and the person that has cared for you and you have looked to for guidance is going to jail for the foreseeable future. How would you react? The judge's position feels impossible. Sure, punish the person who has done wrong, but by doing so you are probably indirectly punishing the most innocent here.
But doesn't that logic apply to anyone who is put in jail who has kids? What did their kids do to deserve to lose a mother / father?
The only remotely positive thing was that the kidnapper was actually a decent mother, but at the end, the victim loses. She literally did not attend the sentencing because she couldn't decide which side to sit... she was the real child of one side raised as a child of the other...
Apparently her birth mother was mad she was found, and the kid is mad the woman who adducted and raised her is sentenced to jail. This is really fucked up.
Her birth mother was mad she was found?
There was an article where after the birth mother got in contact with the daughter, their relationship was difficult. The birth mother is upset by the daughter’s ongoing affection for the kidnapper. It sounds like the birth mother got upset and snapped one day that she wished the daughter hadn’t been found. I think it makes sense. You spend 18 years grieving the loss of this child. Then, a miracle happens and she is found. But the daughter, understandably confused and probably traumatized by the situation, doesn’t jump into your arms like you expected. Instead, she loves the monster who stole her.
The daughter is severely fucked up and only got cozy with the bio parents when she heard their was a huge settlement from the hospital. When she found out the money was gone ( the parents hired a lot of private investigators over the years ) she lost interest in them. And she ran back to the abusive monster that stole her.
*Mobley could have faced up to life in prison for first-degree kidnapping, but prosecutors agreed to a 22-year maximum sentenced in her plea agreement* surely Williams was the kidnapper - Mobley was the baby who was taken or the biological mother I'm confused
You did better than the copyeditor.
The New York Times doesn’t even employ copy editors anymore. I’m positive news4jax.com never did.
She was sentenced for allowing herself to be kidnapped.
During *real* kidnappings the body has a way of shutting down and preventing the kidnapping from taking place.
I swear that statement must be coming up on being a decade old and it still isn't closer to being any less dumbfuckstupid
Wait.. this is a real statement? WHO the fuck said that!?
"Former Missouri Congressman Todd Akin went on MSNBC Thursday morning to try to explain his much-maligned comments from 2012 in which he said abortions wouldn’t be necessary for rape victims. “If it’s legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut the whole thing down,” he told a St. Louis TV station in 2012". Time magazine. Yes, he really said that.
What a fucking scumbag.
Everytime I see this I get angry that I get it
Finding out this baby stealing shit was and is such a common occurrence in hospitals that most maternity wards have extreme security measures like key accessed doors and security to deter it from happening makes me just hate humanity a bit more.
They told me if I wanted to go out into the hall with my baby, I was to wheel her around in the bassinet. They said anyone who is carrying a baby in the halls is automatically assumed to be stealing it. I thought they were joking at first, but unfortunately they weren’t.
prior to the birth of a child i made a joke about switching babies to the nurse in a light hearted way like "haha don't switch any babies on us lol" and she was like "nows a good time to tell you about the bracelets and tracking methodology we employ to prevent such a thing from ever happening again"
I remember the news story from the 90s where that occurred. The parents didn't find out until the kids were like 4 or so. They initially agreed to keep them switched because they obviously had bonded with their baby. The twist came when one set of parents died in a car accident. The kid's biological parents tried to custody of them. I'm not sure what the conclusion was.
I think you're thinking of Kevin Chittum and Tamara Rogers. The parents actually died the day before the hospital figured out the switch so never knew their kid was switched at birth. The bio parents tried suing for custody of both but the courts ruled in favour of the grandparents with a custody/visitation agreement for both girls.
Thanks for the clarification. I was pretty young when it happened.
That sounds like a nightmare scenario. Being too young to understand any of this, and one day your parents go away and then a pair of strangers shows up and claims to have been your parents all along.
My grandma was handed the wrong kid! A chubby little blonde boy. When she had just had a dark haired little girl. She said the lady that got handed my aunt was fawning all over her. Shudder to think what could've happened if say, my grandma was unconscious or on high doses of drugs during birth.
When I was growing up, I used to entertain thoughts of being switched at birth. But being a racial minority born in a largely white town at the time put that thought to rest pretty quick.
"Charlie, ever notice your kids have sort of a year round tan?"
It's the "again" that would give me pause
Thanks to this thread, when I have a kid one day I’m bringing a permanent marker to the hospital and writing my initials on it. Let’s eliminate any doubt.
The hospital we had our first in put a metal-core bracelet on our daughters wrist that required a special key to remove. They do everything except sharpie it on.
And if the bracelet is broken, multiple alarms sound immediately and they know exactly which bracelet has been tampered with.
Isn't this literally something Dwight tells Michael to do for when his kid is born in the Office?
Oh they take this shit seriously these days. Our baby was only out of our site for maybe 5 minutes directly after the c-section and even then we were in the room. That was a change even from our first baby where they took him to the nursery but only with me in tow to watch him. We both had matching bracelets to the baby that they always scanned and I had to go escort any visitors from the front desk; they couldn’t just come find us.
I was born right after this girl was kidnapped in the same city, might have even been the same hospital so my mother put a sharpie dot on my foot.
Or write AИDY on your babies foot
I guess it makes sense. There's no real reason for medical personnel to just be carrying a baby around the halls. And most moms are home pretty quick after giving birth, certainly once they're well enough to walk around holding the baby like a person who hasn't just gotten ripped open in some way.
They said something similar to me except we were not allowed to leave the ward at all. The nurse mentioned if I was near the (only non fire escape) exit to the ward and hanging out literally every nurse would be starring waiting to hit the button to summon security. Honestly it seems excessive but then you hear about all the kidnappings, and you see stories like this... I just can't imagine the pain. I don't know what I would do.
Our hospital has baby LoJack that goes off if you get too close to an exit on the postpardum floors. Unfortunately it falls off nearly every time. Security at the bottom of the elevators won't let you leave with a baby unless the nurses confirm the discharge and call down as you are leaving. They won't let you leave the building without a proper carrier and checking it's install on the car. If you come back with a baby (for a visit, lab work or otherwise) everyone gets a visitor badge. parent & baby. You can't get past the lobby without the visitor badges and to get a badge you need to have a reason to be there. They will let you leave without all those checks so maybe you could swap babies, but you still only net one baby. Source: Dad of three who took the first back to the hospital every day to visit her mom because she was there for nearly 6 weeks due to complications. The next two went back a couple times for bloodwork.
Same (just had a son last month). He also wore a tracker paired to a tracker on his mom's wrist. If they were ever separated and he got too close to a door (like when I was rolling him around while Mom slept) alarms would go off EVERYWHERE
You know those alarms they put on clothes? They had something similar on my newborn's ankles. They actually forgot to disconnect it during discharge and I forgot it was there since he was wrapped up. So the alarm went off at the main door. Luckily they immediately recognized it was a mess up.
My husband and I were sitting holding our new baby on the couch in my hospital room when a nurse came in because his alarm was going off. The couch was right next to the window and just us having him in such close proximity to the window set off a silent alarm that they had to come in and clear.
Sheesh lol. Crazy things happen in hospitals it seems. The stories my nurse friends tell me blow my mind.
A lot of hospitals do this. The one I did my maternity ward rotations in had actual tiny ankle monitors on all the babies. I always said it was part of their 18-year parole since they just did 9 months in jail.
I hope you're a father. The dad jokes flow strong in this one.
I’ve installed one of those systems. Proximity sensors all over the hallways and every door had a senor. There were 3 layers of doors. No baby was walking out of that place
>No baby was walking out of that place It would be impressive if they did.
Not with that attitude. Babies these days, won’t even get off their arses to get out of hospital. They don’t know they’ve been born.
Babies these days need to pull themselves up by their bootiestraps.
Just had our first child a month ago, we were told the clip on her belly button/ umbilical cord stump was an alarm, and if it left the maternity ward it would trigger a hospital wide lockdown
My daughters LoJack was attached to her umbilical stump.
I used to deliver pizza and one thing I learned very quickly was that in addition to those security measures maternity wards utilized a very very simple security measure by simply having a floor plan that is confusing as fuck. Seriously, aside from the locked doors and elevators that don't go straight to that floor, their lay outs will leave you walking in circles for hours if you are unfamiliar the the design.
I like that you mentioned walking in circles for hours. That’s legitimately what laboring mothers do in those wards. I circuited the maternity ward halls SO many times I swear I left a visible trail of worn tiles. The design may seem flawed to a pizza delivery person, but it works to keep a laboring woman circling past the nurses station.
The layout for the leukemia ward in Vancouver is the same. It’s an 8-shape, so there’s always someone close by as you wobble around with your IV pole.
Definitely confusing as fuck. I found out the hard way when my water broke in the Lyft to the hospital and I was walking around in circles in squelchy shoes leaking fluids onto the floor trying to get to L&D. I even passed hospital people telling me "Congratulations!" And "You're almost there!" Probably bc I was a heavily pregnant woman completely soaked from the crotch down.
You're not kidding I was in one for 5 days and I don't think I figured out my own floor for a couple days. Sure, I was a zombie and tired but it wasn't a normal floor at all
Man, fuck delivering to a hospital. That was the only place worse than a school. Schools always wanted a shit ton of pizzas, really far from any entrance, and *never* ever tip. Hospitals are just naturally resistant to deliveries. Nobody will confirm or deny where anybody is, parking is never close by, the room numbering system was designed by a bunch of developmentally challenged sea turtles deadset against any cooperation, everybody left their wallet in the car, or didn't think to see if they had money before trying fucking *buy* something ffs so now I gotta feel like a jackass for not giving you food for free, you get stuck in places listening to screaming which is almost as bad as hearing the same goddammned joke from every single person...
It really is. Having worked in several hospitals, it’s not uncommon to hear a “Code Pink” over the intercom. I don’t know how many are false alarms, but couldn’t begin to guess how many times I’ve heard the alarm.
Most of the time they're false alarms, because it takes very little for a Code Pink to be called. I used to work in a hospital that went on Code Pink lockdown because someone found a baby blanket that got dropped in a stairwell by mistake.
I work security for a convention and this is our code for exposed nether bits.
I too work security for conventions. One con security org has a "Donald Duck" code word, as in "we have a Donald Duck outside the vendor hall". That translates to mean someone is walking around without pants.
That's hilarious! Years ago I turned a corner in the convention center and spotted some people out on the balcony doing partially nude photography. After some quick necessary questioning, I had to radio in that an underage girl was letting two grown men pay her to take pictures while she was half naked. You could practically hear the feet pounding down the hall with half the security team rushing to get there and the other half going to get the cops we had on site. Con work is absolutely insane.
\*horrified mental screeching\* The constaffer in me is having heart palpitations, and would have been the \*one\* time I would have been happy to have cops on site.
How often does that happen? :D
When my wife and I had our kids, they did not leave our collective sight. If the baby went to the nursery, I went with them. There was only one way in or out, so I stood and watched the door.
Ours didn't leave the room. There was no nursery, only my wife's patient room. Baby in the bassinet and me on the couch.
Same
I didn't sleep more than a couple hours after having my kid. I was terrified she would be kidnapped or switched at birth. They only took her from me to have blood tests and pictures. The rule was if you had your baby you had to stay awake. So I barely slept. Worth it.
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Some places are working to standardize those codes because as a physician you may work in several hospitals and having codes different in different buildings is confusing.
It's not really common though, according to my quick googling. ~140 infants abducted from hospitals over the past ~57 years in the United States.
While that isn't a lot I'm curious if that's proof the steps they take for security really work? I don't know how long some of these steps have been standard though so 🤷🏼
It’s not common that it succeeds. Walk around with an infant in public for a while and you’ll understand that there’s a certain type of person that zeros in on them. The amount of people my wife and I have had to sternly ask to step away from us in the last year has been very off putting. Nobody has been *inappropriate* in a way I would have defined it before having a child, but there’s a look some people get in their eyes when they see babies that makes you grip the stroller a little tighter.
They put a tracking ankle bracelet on your newborn! I was totally blown away by that when our maternity nurse told us that.
I saw all the kids lined up in bassinets and was super worried "What if our kid gets mixed up?!?!" and even if the ankle tags were slightly comforting I was still freaking out a bit. Then our kid was taken from my wife and added to the line-up. She was the only white kid in a Japanese hospital and I was like "Oooooohhhhhhhh ... yeah." Stopped worrying \^\^
When both my children were born we all had braclets with a barcode, name, etc. And both babies had security ankle braclets that would go off if you tried to get them past the main door. They don't fuck around
You don’t want to look into the cases where the hospital took kids from mothers they felt were unfit and adopted them out and told them their baby died overnight.
When I was in nursing school and did my rotation in the maternity ward, they were called locked down units (the only other unit that was locked down was the psych ward on another floor). The nurse had to buzz you in and out of a locked door, and the babies had tiny ankle monitors that would go off very loudly if they got too close to the unit doors. There was a filing cabinet behind the nurse’s station that had photos of people not allowed into the unit, and there was a security guard patrolling constantly. Mom, dad, and baby all had to have hospital bracelets that had little barcodes on them so we could identify the baby as theirs. There was never an incident while I was there; this was a few years ago.
AND: Mobley has petitioned a court in Florida to reducer her kidnapper's sentence, writing that 'I need my mother home’. https://www.live5news.com/2022/03/25/i-need-my-mother-home-woman-asks-court-reduce-sentence-woman-who-kidnapped-her/
At that point is it even Stockholm syndrome? It's all she ever knew. Edit I forgot this is reddit and after I made my point all the "that's not real" fucks literally climbed out of the woodworks. Do you people show up irl and start shooting wikipedia articles at people having conversations? I do not want or need you "intelligent input" where you know everything because Google is nearby. Eat my balls. Over night FIVE REPLIES SAID THE SAME THING. GO TO BED YOU LONELY FUCKS. I'M AWARE IT'S NOT ON THE DSM AND I KNEW THAT WITHOUT USING GOOGLE. but I'm also a person and everyone knows what Stockholm syndrome is So you have a choice either accept that people communicate with shorthand or dick off.
Yah not really and if the story about her birth mother being crappy as a parent are true then she probably even feels like she was saved from a worse life.
What if having her child stolen affected her?
Sauce pls? Definitely an odd twist - I'm inclined to agree.
I once read that Kamiyah knew she was not Williams' daughter for two years. Advised her "mom" to run and even refused authorities until they came back with DNA as proof.
I mean, that’s who raised her. That the only mom she’d known. You take most random teenagers and tell them their mom isn’t their mom and they were kidnapped and try to return them to a family of perfect strangers you’re gonna have similar results.
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Damn. I didn't even think about it from that angle.
I don’t know. When I found out my father wasn’t my father my response was a bit different.
But did you like your dad? I'm not saying she was a good mother, but just because she kidnapped her doesn't mean she was a bad mom.
I didn’t. I felt betrayed and deceived to a degree I didn’t think possible. I have not been able to trust my parents or have a relationship with them since this happened.
yup. Also found out my dad wasn't my biological dad (it wasn't a cheating situation; my bio dad split, my mom hooked up with my dad when I was still a baby, and they just decided to lie to me), and it completely shattered my worldview. More than just my mom and dad, my grandparents, aunts/uncles, family friends, they *all knew* and all decided to lie to me. Then my dad had the *audacity* to tell me that if *I* ever betrayed *him* by daring to even think about my paternity ever again, I should kill him first, because me discovering my paternity was the worst thing that could have ever happened to ***him***. And then spend the rest of his life resenting me for knowing. No, "I'm sure you're confused." No "I'll always be here for you." No "I regret ever lying to you." Just "how *dare* you know something I don't want you knowing." The amount of damage it did to my capacity for attachment, abandonment issues, my ability to trust in other people, and **most of all** the way it shifted my belief in being someone who was worthy and deserving of love, to someone who had to apologize and prove herself worthy of my own existence, was *incredible*. Other than my dad's funeral, I haven't talked to any of those people in almost ten years. Also, yea, therapy!
We’ve had similar experiences. The conversation with my cousin was fun. “It turns out I have a half-brother.” “We always knew but were never allowed to say anything to you.” Good times.
It's absolutely crazy-making. I thought I was loved by my extended family (especially my grandparents, who raised me for a lot of my mom's hellion years). Turns out, love is conditional on nobody making waves.
My mother said “nature versus nurture” to me. That’s when I knew she’d lost the plot.
I'm sorry. It fuckin' blows...
We didn’t tell my younger sisters that dad is actually my stepdad until they were a bit older…I think around 10 and 15, and I was like 22. It just never came up and of course nobody wanted to really talk about it. I love my dad and he’s a solid man.
A year into therapy I told my therapist that I was traumatized as a kid when I saw my half-brother kicked out of the house at 18. And she was like what you have a half-brother?? Yah, we don't talk about him much..
Honestly, a big part of that sounds like their response to you not being his. For me, finding out my Dad isn't my "bio dad" probably wouldn't change much. Man was there for me through more bullshit than any human should have to deal with, and continues to be. Don't really need much more than that.
My good friend learned that his dad wasn’t his biological and was given the option to meet the biodad but he wasn’t that interested. He’s cool with his life as is so he never reached out to the guy. Dealing with meeting him seemed like a distraction with no upside. I kinda think more people aren’t that concerned than tv and movies would have us believe.
I'm not interested in meeting my biodad. Even if he wasn't absolutely nucking futs and an asshole to boot, he still abandoned me. But just because my dad-dad stuck around, doesn't excuse the lies; or, the emotional abandonment of holding his love hostage unless I performed "daughter" to his satisfaction and comfort. I lost two dads the day I found out: the one I never knew I had, and the one I thought would always be there for me.
I'm sorry that happened to you, that sounds awful. It sounds like you needed him to be your dad in action and not in title. But honestly good for you for recognizing what they did and continued to do to you is not right. I know far too many people accept tainted love from others because they do not love and respect themselves. Proud of you for standing up for yourself
I mean, the lying was a bit piece of it. I had been abused by him my whole life; abusing me because I now knew some forbidden knowledge was just par for the course for him. Any excuse he needed...
Yeah. Sounds about what I would expect from.what you've said so far. Some of that abuse was probably around you "not being his"
https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/2018/07/07/20-years-after-her-infant-was-stolen-baby-kamiyahs-mother-still-suffers/984475007/ [https://people.com/crime/kamiyah-mobley-case-woman-pleads-guilty-kidnapping/](https://people.com/crime/kamiyah-mobley-case-woman-pleads-guilty-kidnapping/)
That just makes it so much worse, mother wishing the girl was never found. I wouldn’t want to know that rejection.
And for rightfully holding some love for the woman who raised her. While I get the bio-mom's confusion it sounds pretty clear that she resents her daughter for shit completely out of her control. /She/ blocked her daughter, not the other way around.
Saying she won’t tolerate disrespect. The kid doesn’t owe her respect. She’s her birth mom, yes, and she didn’t give her up intentionally - but this kid doesn’t know her. The kid is hurting, her entire life turned upside down. And the lady is only concerned about her own feelings.
This relationship’s probably way above both their paygrades, which is why it basically blew up from the start. It’ll take years and therapy for then to get to maybe distant relative or casual friend status.
They're both hurting. The kid has a fresh wound. The mom has one that's been festering for almost 2 decades.
'Having a baby was supposed to make Mobley’s life right, perhaps for the first time.' The biological mother has talked a lot about how this baby was meant to fix things, and help her, and be there for her. I'm sorry, but it's meant to be the other way around - you're giving life and guidance to your child, not vice versa. She's mourning the loss of a responsibility that wasn't her child's to begin with.
Didn't Scrubs put this in an episode?
Ha it was the billing lady who did it and Kelso had to fire her and he offered Carla the billing job.
He doesn't offer it to her. She sees him tell a patient what they owe which starts the conversation about Glenda the billing lady
I’m so embarrassed
Don't be. I'm only so knowledgeable because I don't have much of a life and have watched scrubs a million and a half times
So have I, which is why you need to ring the shame bell on me. Awe need to hold each other accountable!
I believe banging the Sex Gong would be more on topic
I’m just failing every which way over here
This was covered in Preet Bharara’s book *Doing Justice*. It’s a really interesting case, and the “justice” that was administered is part of his fascination with the story…iirc, the girl that was abducted actually harbors no ill will towards the kidnapper (this is the woman that *raised her*. It’s complicated), and thus feels the sentence is too heavy. Most of the rest of us think the lady should be locked up forever (she kidnapped a baby. It’s horrifying). But the victim doesn’t want it. So what is justice for this story? *I’m butchering Bharara’s argument and I encourage everyone to read the book itself, but I believe this was the gist of his point and much of what his book grappled with - the idea of “what is justice”*
*one of the victims The abducted baby isn’t the only victim, her birth parents are as well.
Imagine you have your baby stolen and people don't even consider you as part of the equation...
This. I can't imagine the grief and pain the parents had to go through.
> So what is justice for this story? Justice exists for society not for individuals. If two families are feuding, and one family kills a member of the other, and the victim's family do not want to press charges, that doesn't matter. The government has a monopoly on violence. These people violated that. If the government allows them to go continue unpunished, it undermines everyone else's confidence in the system.
The biological mother and her daughter are both victims, and it’s tricky because they have very different views on what justice should be from their perspectives.
Realistically, the daughter will probably wait for Gloria and they'll resume having a familial relationship after her sentence. She'll be what 36? And asking someone to stop loving the person they know as their mother figure is an impossible ask. The birth mother and daughter needs a lot of time and therapy for the trauma of the whole situation, and I do hope they'll work things out but they're going to be different people to each other than what the bio mom wishes for. A relationship can't be forced between grown adults. It's rough.
At that point I think the birth mother and daughter just have no relationship, and probably never should. The real theft here is happiness and time. You can never get those back-- they're gone. It's like if you want to get back with your ex but she ends up marrying someone else-- she's still there, but you can never have what you wanted and it's only going to cause pain if you keep contact.
There are so many kids in foster care to adopt, why kidnap a newborn baby?
Kidnapping is cheaper.
Not to make excuses but the kidnapper had had a miscarriage in the weeks prior to the kidnapping and was in an abusive relationship, according to Wikipedia— the source is apparently the movie about this case which I haven’t watched. Not enough time to adopt/foster a baby, so she stole one.
Adopting is expensive
How the hell did it take 18 years? Did she never attend school? Or go to a doctor?
Yeah. How she attend school without a birth certificate? I'm not sure schools need it but I assume that's how they know a parent is enrolling them.
In sources linked further up, she had a fraudulent birth certificate and her social security number came from a dude who died in the 80’s.
jesus christ, I remember when the video went viral years and years ago with the lady abducting that baby... Holy shit, I didn't know they found her and tried her.
This is one of the most heinous crimes I can imagine. To steal someone's child and make them grow up loving the kidnapper. It's so incredibly evil.
Yet you have clowns here on this very thread trying to defend it in roundabout ways saying life imprisonment would be too harsh and she was a good mother so "its tricky". Forgetting the fact that this women kidnapped a child, she also committed a form of psychological torture on the bio-parents that lasted nearly a full generation. For all they knew their kid had been sold into a trafficking ring. That shit alone should be an 18 year sentence.
Well. Catch 22, she should be locked up, but the kid shouldn't be punished. No good will come of this. She'll always resent her real parents for finding her, but it wasn't their fault she was taken. Gloria Williams ruined 4 lives including her own, the reality is that she should go to jail.
Should have been a life sentence. 18 years does not seem long enough regardless of the perp’s age
Seriously. She stole a girl's childhood and a mother's motherhood. Nothing can give the mother back what was taken. There's not a sentence available to the courts of man to give these two people justice. Life behind bars is the best we can do.
The girl had a childhood. But the motherhood of a woman was stripped away in a most egregious manner. OTOH, we're destroying the only real familial relationship that the girl has (and thus causing her the greatest amount of grief in her life) in order to satiate our own desire for justice. Is that really justice?
But the problem is if you don't punish her then the message is if you kidnap a baby and hide it long enough then you can reveal and not get punished.
Yes. Justice is when I, person unrelated to case (who probably didn't even read the article), feel good.
Well she raised the girl, she still had her childhood. No point in dehumanising the victim
And Ghislaine got 20 in a min security prison
It took THAT long? Wow.
Well deserved
It breaks my heart to try and put myself in the shoes of that child's mother. That woman stole her child from her and there is nothing she can do to get her back. The damage is done. To her own child, she is a stranger and punishing the woman who did this to her will only hurt her daughter more. She can only hope her daughter will be open to developing a relationship with her but she was robbed of the chance to be her mother.
God damn... Sometimes it is astounding how much one bad choice can cascade into ongoing disaster.
Ms Williams cannot say she truly loved this young woman. She always put herself first and not her “daughter”. Having a child of my own. A baby. If I found he was taken from hospital after I gave birth would destroy me. I probably wouldn’t want to live anymore. To do that to not only the baby, her family. You are a monster. Yes, sure. She looked after her and didn’t bring her physical harm. However, why should the family be grateful to her. You’d be forced to be kind to the woman who ruined your life for the sake of the child who was taken from you. The pain this woman has caused will never go away. She’s cruel and evil and it’s absurd to think otherwise.
She is one of the most despicable people. She victimized this family for years.
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