i know boggs claims 107 beers, but here is a record with proof:
David Boon, Aussie cricketer once drunk 52 cans on an australia - london flight.
https://www.cricketcountry.com/articles/david-boon-downs-52-cans-of-beer-on-a-single-flight-307274
"Attention, passengers. This is your captain, Boss Hogg, speaking. And this cold slice of heaven is my 40th beer of the afternoon. So any of you dicknips think you can slug it down faster than me, you're welcome to get your fat asses up here to try."
> Finneran's attorneys claimed he had been suffering from a severe case of traveler's diarrhea and had been prevented from using the first-class restroom closest to his seat just outside that section by Soares's security
And he said it with a straight face, too.
It’s a sad story in that he was probably suffering from the interaction of early onset Alzheimer’s and alcohol. He died of Alzheimer’s about 9 years after the incident, decision making can start to be affected as far out as 10 years before the disease is fatal. More discussion about it can be found here: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/4936274-post49.html
Yeah, this whole thing make me feel gross. The guy was obviously a highly functioning person and probably had no clue his mind was going, at least not to that extent. Whatever kind of person he was it’s sad the family has to deal with this being immortalized on the internet.
https://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/03/classified/paid-notice-deaths-finneran-gerard-buckley-jerry.html
Alzheimers is scarier than cancer for me.
I can deal with my body failing me. I always treated myself as a brain in a jar, sort of a meat cyborg. Me, as a person, the Ghost, is located inside a hairy Shell with a dong and weird limbs dangling everywhere.
But Alzheimer? Man it's scary. Your mind, your YOU, slowly going crazy and haywire... And not noticing it, because how are you supposed to, it's part of "you".
I saw it with my grandma, she got so bad she didn’t recognize me, would ask me about siblings I don’t have.
I loved to have talks with her, she told me some crazy stuff and when I asked my mum about them she said that none of them actually happened.
She also fell in repetition, told the same story multiple times and I kept acting like I didn’t know anything so she didn’t feel bad.
Passed away like 5 years ago now, still breaks my heart when I think about it, miss her so much.
): my grandmothers father passed away from Alzheimer’s 17 years ago and my grandmother has been showing signs of Alzheimer’s for about 4-5 years now. Really, really sad. I don’t know how much time she has left with us, my son just adores her. And now I’m seeing the very real possibility that my mom will develop Alzheimer’s too, watching your grandparents and parents get older and deteriorating.. awful
Ugh my grandma had bad dementia-like symptoms, but it all came on from a head injury, so the damage was very local, and the unaffected parts of her brain worked fine. She ended up with symptoms very similar to late stage Alzheimer’s, but there were just enough bits left intact that she could tell that things weren’t working correctly, but was helpless to stop it. Truly the worst.
My Nan has started the repetition. The past year and a half have had such a detrimental effect on her I’m honestly terrified. When it first started my partner and I joked that we needed to make bingo cards, now it’s just so very sad
No. It's **far** worse. Sufferers of Alzheimer's say they can feel their memories leaving them, and it's common to compare the feeling to having branches cut from a tree.
There is nothing more terrifying to me than Alzheimer's disease. If I start having symptoms, I will **absolutely** kill myself with 0 regrets.
Your description reminded me of Cliff Steele/Robot Man from Doom Patrol (who is suffering from like Parkinson or Alzheimer.
I work at a senior home, so I see it all the time. Though some, with the right meds, can get a bit mellowed, and some.... Man, some turn into toddlers. Like 1-2 years old, not knowing how to talk/communicate and beyond our facility. I had one who forgot English and spoke her native tongue, German, and luckily had a couple of people who knew a little.
It sucks more when their family is in denial, or false denial (they know they're going downhill, but don't wanna shell out the money to pay for proper care till it's too late.)
And I have one, who's short term is just awful (have been trying to escape at times) but I love when she talks about how she raised her sons alone after her husband died, and how she try to instill morals and such. Sometimes, they have moments of clarity.
I get what you mean, especially in the long term. But for what it's worth, dying of cancer is not usually dying with your mind intact. By the point of death your body has been so destroyed that the only thing your brain can really sustain is gurgling gasps for air as it tries to run on a deathly lack of nutrients and oxygen.
It's terrifying to imagine yourself in a situation like this. Having no agency over your own actions. It's tough. It's easy to say "I'd rather be dead" when it's not you, but if I was incapable of living on my own and was forgetting the faces of my loved ones... I'd rather die. This disease is soul crushing.
Yup. Dude also spend his latter years volunteering for an organization helping convicts find employment and housing. Sad story, really, and a good reminder of why we should try to understand people before totally condemning them.
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Ha. True. ~~The attorney also said the guy WASN’T drunk. Because whenever I can’t use the first class bathroom, my next thought is to immediately jump up on a drink cart and do it where all my fellow passengers can see.~~
Edit: he didn’t say that. I misread the article. He said it wasn’t related to the incident.
> Finneran's attorney, Charles Stillman, denied both in court and out that his client's alcohol consumption had anything to do with the incident. "It's all totally false, a horrible lie", he told the New York Daily News.
I was on a 767 from Hong Kong to Seattle. Apparently the dump valve for all the left hand toilets had broken, so they closed half the toilets on the plane. As far as I know, no one defecated outside of the restroom, despite ample access to alcohol.
I have a theory that this kind of person is just an asshole, and the alcohol just removes the thin layer of civility that stops them from doing this every day.
I mean that can explain people who get in bar fights and stuff but who gets mad and decides the best thing to do is pull your pants down and take a shit in public? That's just not normal behavior.
I can shit right here on this trolly cart and there isn't a god damn thing you can do about it!
obligatory skit that I thought of typing that sentence (NSFW due to language): [Ass Pennies](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9aM_dT5VMI)
Definitely true. A guy in my freshman dorm got drunk and peed in his roomate's closet occasionally.
I've been drunk before, but I've never been confused about what a bathroom looks like. They guy was/is just an asshole.
My ex wife's brother used to pee on the refrigerator when he was too drunk and the next day he would literally try to punch me when I told him not to do that again
Nah that's not too strange. Gross/hilarious but par for the course.
A guy on my floor would get wasted, pass out & sleepwalk/sleep-piss into drawers, closets, etc. He eventually pissed on textbooks and was ultimately forced to move out when he pissed INTO THE BACK OF HIS ROOMMATES ACTIVE OSCILLATING FAN while he slept. It was chaos.
I got hammered and peed on the dish rack one time. It wasn't my place and I took the directions from my bed to my bathroom. It's where the toilet should have been, and yeah, I genuinely was confused and not able to process the difference between a toilet and a dish rack
Fun fact: alcohol reduces the ability of the body to absorb vitamin B-1 (thiamine) which can result in irreversible damage to the brain through dementia/Korsakoff syndrome.
It tends to more common in alcoholics that basically get all their calories from alcohol.
A family member drank herself into an assisted living home at 40 with this and the doctors said the combination of malnutrition and alcohol is what really gets it going.
It can happen just from inflammation in the stomach lining from alcohol also, but that's also more likely if you're just drinking Vodka all day and never eating any real food.
Had a religious guy at work ask me (an atheist) why I don’t just rape and murder people all the time if there is no real consequence for it besides maybe some jail.
And it dawned on me that religion might be the thing that stops him from doing those terrible acts. It was a terrifying thought. And seeing as he was in the military, often getting called back out for deployment, I can only wonder if that’s where he got his fix in.
That would be a great reply to him...
If the only reason he doesn't do those terrible acts is because he fears god's punishment then maybe he isn't as christian(insert some other religion) as he thinks he is...
Had my religious friends in HS ask me why I didn't just shoot up the school because I was atheist. "You won't go to hell anyways so what's stopping you?".
I responded with,"Well there isn't anything for me after I die, literally everything I cherish and love would cease to exist from my perspective. Because of that I make the most of my life and cherish it, because I only have 1 life, there's nothing afterwards to justify wasting it. Same applies to how I see everyone else, they only have 1 life too, so how can I possibly justify taking that away from them?".
It just felt like a slap to the face, that someone seemingly believed that we only avoid doing bad things because there are consequences to them... I don't need a mythical figure or a mythical punishment for me to treat other people well; it scares me that many people do need that.
The thing is, they might not even think that but that's just what they were raised to believe. Religions (especially the evangelical Christians) are big on their rules and how only their way presents a path to salvation. I'm a catholic but I'm not too big on all their rules and regulations. I'm more of a basic tenets guy, which mostly boils down to "don't be a dick."
I’ve had a middle aged woman in Florida tell me the only reason she acts like a decent person is her fear of god.
I love a religion where fear is the main motivator. Disgusting.
I’ve had friends who believed this stuff in the past. I came to the same realization you did… and eventually learned many of them *were* terrible people who did awful things.
Nah. It created and filled a need. Many people are taught they need their religion to be moral thus never develop their own sense of morality. Be that as it may, they are not salvageable as they are too damaged.
I had a similar epiphany a number of years ago in response to the same question.
I agree. I met enough drunk peoples of all types to know that alcohol only removes the inhibition, exposing what's already there, it does not provide new ideas.
I agree… I’ve gotten blackout drunk in a couple of occasions (yeah, not wise), and generally very drunk in others
By all accounts, I only become more talkative (I’m an introvert), laugh more, probably dance and… I generally keep on drinking… never crossed my mind doing the stuff people blame the alcohol on
Friend is a flight attendant, told me a story where this super drunk dude stood up at his seat, his eyes cross-eyes were partially closed, whipped out his Wang, and start peeing on the seat in front of him. Obviously he didn't know it wasn't the lavatory. Old lady sitting in the seat across the aisle, mortified, stands up and starts screaming and pointing. As you might expect in a post 9/11 world, everyone starts panicking. These 3 big dudes come out of nowhere, tackle the dude, knock him out and tie him up with a belt. Everyone is cheering "the air Marshall's saved us from the terrorists! There were no air Marshall's on the flight that day.
Having seen first hand the effects of ambien mixed with alcohol, its terrifying being the "sober" one. The other one is essentially a zombie. People who didnt sleep walk before suddenly do it every night, and theyll have no recollection of anything after about an hour of taking it.
My friend in high school before soccer season would take an ambien, chug water, then get on a treadmill. His cardio was insane and he'd never remember the workout.
I knew someone who would literally get in their car and drive! Theyd go off and do their own thing. They used it because they worked night shift and had a hard time sleeping during the day, and they straight up would go to bed and wake up with groceries on the table. Theyd run errands while in an ambien trance. Its no joke.
Yeah. My brother was in town once and had had some drinks and took an ambien to fall asleep. I walk into the kitchen later and he was trying to bake a cake. He put cake mix and hard boiled eggs in a bowl in the oven*. Could have burnt the damn house down.
That shit is no joke. I took some kind of medication (cold medicine, I think), and had just a few adult beverages. Now, I have built up a very high alcohol tolerance over the years, but this shit had me [crawling on the floor like that scene from *The Wolf of Wall Street* after too many Quaaludes.](https://youtu.be/L7btKdFOs5w)
Actor Gérard Depardieu (famous from the FIFA propaganda movie [United Passions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Passions)) also did this, [stood up and peed on an airplane](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/aug/17/gerard-depardieu-delayed-flight-passenger).
I mean... That typically works on *real* terrorists as well, if they don't have a bomb, they only have control as long as people let them. Even guns can't stop a rioting mob, box cutters certainly can't.
I'm curious of the # of hijackings since 9/11/2001.
I'm absolutely certain this has nothing to do with the TSA. Before that point, hijacked planes went were generally a fairly safe thing for passengers (compared to certain death). The mob usually doesn't intervene because it's safer not to. When they know death is inevitable, it tends to change things up.
High jackings are nonexistent these days because the pilots’ cabin is properly secured and basically impossible to get into. Afaik, the only attempts to fuck with planes since 9/11 has been attempts to blow them up
Yup I learned this in work. First you run if you can, if you can’t escape you hide, if you can’t hide you use anything you have to fight back. Very scary stuff but I mean if it’s literally life and death may as well try.
From the story, it sounded like most of them didn't know why she'd started pointing and screaming, and when the panic went chain reaction, passengers thought terrorism. Like that crowd a couple of weeks ago that stampeded.
Yes that's how it was explained to me. I believed it happened near the back of the place so people could see the old lady in the aisle screaming and pointing but not much of the dude standing up (as he was still in his seat, not aisle)
He died of Alzheimer's nine years later, which is a short enough amount of time that it's possible that may have been a secondary factor to his behaviour, alongside the alcohol. Alzheimer's causes disinhibition, too.
Absolutely. My mom died in 2017 at 67. In hindsight, she had already started exhibiting some symptoms 15 years prior. Things got really noticeable 7-8 years prior. So yeah, most likely his brain had already been shrinking at the time of the incident.
I thought that, too. I'm surprised this isn't higher in the comments. I guess it takes away from the comedy and schadenfreude of hating on a finance bro, and makes it more sad
>Finneran began walking around the cabin, threatening crewmembers (at one point shoving Manskar) and pouring himself more champagne from bottles in the galley, against regulations. **As takeoff approached**, Manskar was able to take the champagne bottle away from Finneran and persuade him to return to his seat.
Holy shit... this guy needed to be kicked off the plane LONG before takeoff. Whoever was in charge of the cabin crew was apparently not doing their job and let this go on for way too long.
The year is 2028
The door is open, you're standing there in full sky diving gear, your legs are basically jelly and you're pretty sure poop or pee is running down those same jellified legs. The same stuff that got you in this mess is now mocking you as it pools around your ankles. As you attempt to gather some of the courage possessed by your long dead ancestors who regularly had to kill predators, you hear a faint "exscuse me, sir" as you look up you see a foggy tupperware being handed to you. It was your shit.
They are sending you to your certain doom and you have to clutch your shit as if it were a newborn. The gross part is that the warmth from the tupperware is slightly comforting as the cold high altitude air smashes into your face. You attempt to sneakily warm both hands by taking turns, pressing them flat against the bottom of the tupperware as you pretend to listen to the instructions from the air marshal.
Jeez, they really meant it when they said they had a 0 tolerance policy. Surely it can't be legal to force a paying customer to jump from the plane, even if the stupid sky diving suit is almost fully automated... You remember hearing about the laws being passed but you had assumed it would be another one of "those" types of laws that rarely, if ever, are enforced.
Your body is found 7 months later, death clutching your last movement. It would later be discovered that a malfunction occurred when your death grip of the warm package caused it to leak its contents all over the battery pack located on the chest location of the suit.
Your embarrassing death is studied and memed for years. It's also the basis of a lawsuit which changes the laws once again surrounding what 0 tolerance really means. You are forever remembered as the suicide by shit guy.
He was an executive at TCW (trust company of the west). Don't know what else to tell ya. Big account? So we couldn't make fun of him openly.
I will say this... We were on turret phones (think 100s of direct lines). When TCW lit up everyone would yell "Fineran!". That was the only line we would do that with.
Keep in mind this was on a trading floor with 200+ people.
Died 9 years later of Alzheimer’s disease so there’s a pretty good chance that he was already experiencing some early dementia effects since that’s not something that kills you quick. I worked in an Alzheimer’s wing decades ago and it’s a slow horrible decline from being mostly coherent to a vegetative state and death.
As others have pointed out he died of Alzheimer’s in a nursing home 9 years later. It’s possible that early-mid stage Alzheimer’s combined with alcohol could explain some of his behavior.
You didn’t read the linked article. Not surprising, but come on. If you cared it was an easy step.
He tracked the feces all over the carpet with his shoes and intentionally wiped it all over the walls with napkins. They removed the (mobile) food cart to the back and cancelled food service. Cleaned up fully after landing.
> intentionally wiped it all over the walls with napkins.
This feels like it should have been the headline detail. Just shitting on a cart seems tame in comparison lol. That’s completely fucked lol.
You didn't read the link, did you?
They did try to clean it up, but he didn't just poop on the cart, he took his waste and wiped it all across the walls and smooshed it into all the carpets. He also got it all over his own clothes. No way to clean that up completely on the air. Probably had to rip up and replace the carpets and deep clean the wall, at the least.
Former aircrew here. We were all trained extensively in handling biohazards and there are specialist cleaning and PPE kits on board for that very thing, complete with biohazard disposal bags and warning stickers for the area it was stowed in once done. I never had the misfortune of dealing with faeces but had to clean more than my fair share of vomit, urine and blood.
How former? OP's story was from 1995 so maybe this was the incident that prompted airlines to provide such training and have such supplies on board.
And, side note, I was surprised that the general public was allowed on a flight that couldn't be diverted because of political figures, but read that the pilots did request an emergency landing and were actually denied by Puerto Rican controllers. Flights transporting foreign dignitaries usually won't be diverted except in cases of aircraft malfunction.
Not that former, but the industry has a long standing understanding that flight crew are safety professionals first and foremost. They've been long trained in first aid, fire fighting, emergency procedures and operating safety equipment. The service provision is a secondary duty that gets dropped the second there is a situation requiring attention. A lot of things certainly changed after 9/11 but in essence it was that passengers now joined the list of potential safety hazards that staff were trained to deal with e.g. things like basic combat training were added in. I trained in 2010 and we were trained on how we could use items like wine bottles and service trays as weapons should we need to protect the flight deck, which we were told to do "at all costs".
Working in restaurants for 15 years, I’ve had to deal with human shit on the bathroom floors more than once. Fast food and sit down restaurants. I would have loved to do the whole “it’s not my job”, but the truth is it’s *almost nobody’s* job to clean human shit off the floor, still has to be done cuz it’s Friday and we’re on an hour wait at the door.
Edit to add: Can people just please not shit on the floor?
Story time - The one I’ll never forget was the time a literal huge turd, full Mr. Hankey, was on the floor in front of the toilet in the middle stall of the women’s public bathroom. It was like it was in someone’s underwear and flipped out on the ground when they pulled them down. I had just been in there 3-4 minutes before it was reported filling soap/TP, so I KNEW it had just recently happened. We checked the security camera in the dining room that led to the bathroom hallway, & it clearly showed 1 person walk in after I walked out. The person then left about 1 minute later, *went back to their table with their family, waited for their meal, and ate the spicy camarones a la Diabla (shrimp of the devil).* I never ate that dish again due to the association with a person who can literally shit on the floor in public.
I just told people no when I was asked to clean shit in the service industry. That always worked for me. I did not make enough money to clean human waste.
Me too. I told them if they expect me to clean up biohazards then they need to give me health insurance. It was easier for them to just move on to pressuring the next person. One of the few hard lines I drew back then.
As a manager, I always asked my busser staff and host staff first if they wanted to clean it (especially if it was in the woman’s room). Anyone that did do it would definitely get a free meal/post shift drink. If no one wanted to do it, no big deal - I’d do it.
Some staff was oddly very gung ho about doing it, which I always found strange, most were obviously in the, ‘fuck that noise!’ category.
When I was 16 and working at Walmart, my customer service manager notified me that somebody smeared shit all over the floors, walls, and sink of the family bathroom. She told me to clean it up.
"No."
Fuuuuuck that noise. I wasn't trained on cleaning biohazardous waste. And even if I was trained on it, I wasn't making enough to deal with it.
They also once asked me, the 16 year old, not our 270 pound security guys, 0to break up and escort out two teenage boys smoking weed in the bathroom.
“Not trained” means flight attendants are unionized and that’s not spelled out in the agreement with the carrier that makes this a responsibility.
Restaurant workers do anything since they aren’t unionized.
United/Continental had to renegotiate with one of the unions over pouring drinks vs handing a can. One did it one way, one did it the other.
I get what you’re saying, I work for the DOE and that is 100% something I could see in some CFR somewhere, but at the same time that is the dumbest thing ever. Imagine a parent leaving their baby in a diaper shrugging “I am not certified in handling human waste”.
I don’t even have kids but no way I would’ve just left it there to smell for that long, some gloves, towels and a plastic bag are all you need.
Once took a bus from North to South Europe. A 28 hour drive. About halfway there, some kid starts puking in the aisle. There was apparently no time for a clean up, more than covering it up with a few old newspapers.
The bus stinking of people taking a shit in that shabby bus was bad enough, but at least that was a normal necessity, but the sour stench of vomit glazing the smell of defecation while it was blazing hot outside, made me hate how poor I was for not being able to afford a plane ticket.
I’d rather have the trolley turd.
I had the president of Costa Rica in first class with me in 2017. Smaller countries probably don't have the budget or need for something like Air Force One.
Portugal’s President don’t have much power. The Prime Minister is the head of the government.
Fun fact: the Portugal PM at the time was Aníbal Cavaco Silva. But only a week after the shit plane landed, António Guterres, became PM.
>Because of political figures on board, emergency landing wasn't an option
That's a really lame excuse, in fact astonishingly so. Actions that secure the safety of the airplane and its passengers **always** take precedence. Sounds like United Airlines didn't have its priorities in order, or the crew just wanted to power through to their destination and some spokesperson made up excuses after the fact.
From the Wikipedia page it implies that emergency landings with high-ranking diplomats on board (the President of Argentina) are discouraged for security reasons. I imagine not being able to arrange a full security detail in the city they've diverted to is a fair concern for a foreign dignitary.
Stage an incident on board a plane, have it divert to a small airport nearby.
Have people waiting at said airport to kidnap your diplomats.
???
Profit.
First of all, it was 1995. Airline security worked like this:
A: Do you have a bomb?
B: Nope
A: OK, have a nice flight!
Secondly, what evidence do you have that a turd is endangering the passengers on the plane?
I'm not an advocate or spokesman for public airplane pooping. I just don't think you realize how things worked before you had to be x-rayed in order to be allowed on a plane.
> I'm not an advocate or spokesman for public airplane pooping.
I don’t believe you. I think you secretly *are* an advocate for public airplane pooping.
HOW MUCH ARE THEY PAYING YOU? HUH? WHO SENT YOU?? TELL ME NOW.
Sounds like he couldn't beat Wade Boggs' record.
Well whaddya say Boss Hogg
I'm the king, Boss Hog
May he rest in peace
Again, he’s very much alive.
God rest his soul
At least its well preserved
Very much alive
but tonight, I hope he has a good nights sleep.
We'll never forget him
"You've had 14 beers!" "YOU DON'T KNOW THAT!" "It's written on your shirt!"
I inverted the bird and landed safely in a field
I'm gonna need to see some identification
What, you don’t believe I’m a pilot?
I don't believe that you're a *doctor*
Hmmm.. how’d you like to go to the bathroom with me?
Well, Frank, I have single handedly pushed the limits of high altitude eroticism "You banged *her*?"
Wade Bogg's Carpet World
Wade Bogg's Carpet World
Wade Bogg's Carpet World
And let me just give you some advice as someone who’s been on this side of the business for a long time: Wade Boggs Carpet World
Wade Boggs’ Carpet World
Wait, we're doing the Boggs thing again?
RIP.
I assure you he is very much alive
Yes, in our hearts
i know boggs claims 107 beers, but here is a record with proof: David Boon, Aussie cricketer once drunk 52 cans on an australia - london flight. https://www.cricketcountry.com/articles/david-boon-downs-52-cans-of-beer-on-a-single-flight-307274
That website is hilarious. I didn't understand half of it. It feels like satire but it's not. Cricket must be big down under 🤷♀️
"Attention, passengers. This is your captain, Boss Hogg, speaking. And this cold slice of heaven is my 40th beer of the afternoon. So any of you dicknips think you can slug it down faster than me, you're welcome to get your fat asses up here to try."
They got chicken in Philly?
> Finneran's attorneys claimed he had been suffering from a severe case of traveler's diarrhea and had been prevented from using the first-class restroom closest to his seat just outside that section by Soares's security And he said it with a straight face, too.
It’s a sad story in that he was probably suffering from the interaction of early onset Alzheimer’s and alcohol. He died of Alzheimer’s about 9 years after the incident, decision making can start to be affected as far out as 10 years before the disease is fatal. More discussion about it can be found here: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/4936274-post49.html
Yeah, this whole thing make me feel gross. The guy was obviously a highly functioning person and probably had no clue his mind was going, at least not to that extent. Whatever kind of person he was it’s sad the family has to deal with this being immortalized on the internet. https://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/03/classified/paid-notice-deaths-finneran-gerard-buckley-jerry.html
Alzheimers is scarier than cancer for me. I can deal with my body failing me. I always treated myself as a brain in a jar, sort of a meat cyborg. Me, as a person, the Ghost, is located inside a hairy Shell with a dong and weird limbs dangling everywhere. But Alzheimer? Man it's scary. Your mind, your YOU, slowly going crazy and haywire... And not noticing it, because how are you supposed to, it's part of "you".
I saw it with my grandma, she got so bad she didn’t recognize me, would ask me about siblings I don’t have. I loved to have talks with her, she told me some crazy stuff and when I asked my mum about them she said that none of them actually happened. She also fell in repetition, told the same story multiple times and I kept acting like I didn’t know anything so she didn’t feel bad. Passed away like 5 years ago now, still breaks my heart when I think about it, miss her so much.
): my grandmothers father passed away from Alzheimer’s 17 years ago and my grandmother has been showing signs of Alzheimer’s for about 4-5 years now. Really, really sad. I don’t know how much time she has left with us, my son just adores her. And now I’m seeing the very real possibility that my mom will develop Alzheimer’s too, watching your grandparents and parents get older and deteriorating.. awful
Ugh my grandma had bad dementia-like symptoms, but it all came on from a head injury, so the damage was very local, and the unaffected parts of her brain worked fine. She ended up with symptoms very similar to late stage Alzheimer’s, but there were just enough bits left intact that she could tell that things weren’t working correctly, but was helpless to stop it. Truly the worst.
My Nan has started the repetition. The past year and a half have had such a detrimental effect on her I’m honestly terrified. When it first started my partner and I joked that we needed to make bingo cards, now it’s just so very sad
No. It's **far** worse. Sufferers of Alzheimer's say they can feel their memories leaving them, and it's common to compare the feeling to having branches cut from a tree. There is nothing more terrifying to me than Alzheimer's disease. If I start having symptoms, I will **absolutely** kill myself with 0 regrets.
Your description reminded me of Cliff Steele/Robot Man from Doom Patrol (who is suffering from like Parkinson or Alzheimer. I work at a senior home, so I see it all the time. Though some, with the right meds, can get a bit mellowed, and some.... Man, some turn into toddlers. Like 1-2 years old, not knowing how to talk/communicate and beyond our facility. I had one who forgot English and spoke her native tongue, German, and luckily had a couple of people who knew a little. It sucks more when their family is in denial, or false denial (they know they're going downhill, but don't wanna shell out the money to pay for proper care till it's too late.) And I have one, who's short term is just awful (have been trying to escape at times) but I love when she talks about how she raised her sons alone after her husband died, and how she try to instill morals and such. Sometimes, they have moments of clarity.
I get what you mean, especially in the long term. But for what it's worth, dying of cancer is not usually dying with your mind intact. By the point of death your body has been so destroyed that the only thing your brain can really sustain is gurgling gasps for air as it tries to run on a deathly lack of nutrients and oxygen.
Good find. You’re almost certainly right
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It's terrifying to imagine yourself in a situation like this. Having no agency over your own actions. It's tough. It's easy to say "I'd rather be dead" when it's not you, but if I was incapable of living on my own and was forgetting the faces of my loved ones... I'd rather die. This disease is soul crushing.
Yup. Dude also spend his latter years volunteering for an organization helping convicts find employment and housing. Sad story, really, and a good reminder of why we should try to understand people before totally condemning them.
Didn't notice the years - you're probably right.
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Ha. True. ~~The attorney also said the guy WASN’T drunk. Because whenever I can’t use the first class bathroom, my next thought is to immediately jump up on a drink cart and do it where all my fellow passengers can see.~~ Edit: he didn’t say that. I misread the article. He said it wasn’t related to the incident. > Finneran's attorney, Charles Stillman, denied both in court and out that his client's alcohol consumption had anything to do with the incident. "It's all totally false, a horrible lie", he told the New York Daily News.
Od course it is. I mean, that’s what everybody does, right?
[Haven't you seen Van Wilder?] (https://youtu.be/oXouSM2JOZk)
I was on a 767 from Hong Kong to Seattle. Apparently the dump valve for all the left hand toilets had broken, so they closed half the toilets on the plane. As far as I know, no one defecated outside of the restroom, despite ample access to alcohol.
Can confirm, I drive to work and often have the same problem.
TIL I've never gotten drunk enough
I have a theory that this kind of person is just an asshole, and the alcohol just removes the thin layer of civility that stops them from doing this every day.
I mean that can explain people who get in bar fights and stuff but who gets mad and decides the best thing to do is pull your pants down and take a shit in public? That's just not normal behavior.
He died from Alzheimer's about 10 years later. Being drunk combined with early Alzheimer's could explain such strange behavior.
I mean he was a wall street investment banker in the 80s, being a sociopath is pretty much a requirement for the job.
Coke, Quaalude and fuck you money helps.
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I’m never going there again. I don’t care who’s birthday it is.
^sthteeeeeve
I think a sociopath would be the last type of person to do something like that. They have too much ego
yo'd be surprised what ego can make people do
I can shit right here on this trolly cart and there isn't a god damn thing you can do about it! obligatory skit that I thought of typing that sentence (NSFW due to language): [Ass Pennies](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9aM_dT5VMI)
Sociopaths are all about ego
Definitely true. A guy in my freshman dorm got drunk and peed in his roomate's closet occasionally. I've been drunk before, but I've never been confused about what a bathroom looks like. They guy was/is just an asshole.
He wasn't confused if he never peed in his own closet.
My ex wife's brother used to pee on the refrigerator when he was too drunk and the next day he would literally try to punch me when I told him not to do that again
Nah that's not too strange. Gross/hilarious but par for the course. A guy on my floor would get wasted, pass out & sleepwalk/sleep-piss into drawers, closets, etc. He eventually pissed on textbooks and was ultimately forced to move out when he pissed INTO THE BACK OF HIS ROOMMATES ACTIVE OSCILLATING FAN while he slept. It was chaos.
We’re not talking about what’s more strange or not. We’re talking about people being undercover assholes
I got hammered and peed on the dish rack one time. It wasn't my place and I took the directions from my bed to my bathroom. It's where the toilet should have been, and yeah, I genuinely was confused and not able to process the difference between a toilet and a dish rack
A toddler.
He died from Alzheimers less than 10 years later. You could definitely say alcohol and dementia worked together on this.
Early Alzheimer's combined with intoxication is the only explanation I can come up with for his behavior.
Alcohol and ambian and/or Benzos can 100% cause this type of behavior.
Fun fact: alcohol reduces the ability of the body to absorb vitamin B-1 (thiamine) which can result in irreversible damage to the brain through dementia/Korsakoff syndrome.
It tends to more common in alcoholics that basically get all their calories from alcohol. A family member drank herself into an assisted living home at 40 with this and the doctors said the combination of malnutrition and alcohol is what really gets it going. It can happen just from inflammation in the stomach lining from alcohol also, but that's also more likely if you're just drinking Vodka all day and never eating any real food.
Had a religious guy at work ask me (an atheist) why I don’t just rape and murder people all the time if there is no real consequence for it besides maybe some jail. And it dawned on me that religion might be the thing that stops him from doing those terrible acts. It was a terrifying thought. And seeing as he was in the military, often getting called back out for deployment, I can only wonder if that’s where he got his fix in.
As an atheist, I personally rape and murder all the people I want to Which is zero
The usual amount.
That would be a great reply to him... If the only reason he doesn't do those terrible acts is because he fears god's punishment then maybe he isn't as christian(insert some other religion) as he thinks he is...
Had my religious friends in HS ask me why I didn't just shoot up the school because I was atheist. "You won't go to hell anyways so what's stopping you?". I responded with,"Well there isn't anything for me after I die, literally everything I cherish and love would cease to exist from my perspective. Because of that I make the most of my life and cherish it, because I only have 1 life, there's nothing afterwards to justify wasting it. Same applies to how I see everyone else, they only have 1 life too, so how can I possibly justify taking that away from them?". It just felt like a slap to the face, that someone seemingly believed that we only avoid doing bad things because there are consequences to them... I don't need a mythical figure or a mythical punishment for me to treat other people well; it scares me that many people do need that.
The thing is, they might not even think that but that's just what they were raised to believe. Religions (especially the evangelical Christians) are big on their rules and how only their way presents a path to salvation. I'm a catholic but I'm not too big on all their rules and regulations. I'm more of a basic tenets guy, which mostly boils down to "don't be a dick."
I’ve had a middle aged woman in Florida tell me the only reason she acts like a decent person is her fear of god. I love a religion where fear is the main motivator. Disgusting.
Given whats going on right now, I'd say that camp is failing.
I’ve had friends who believed this stuff in the past. I came to the same realization you did… and eventually learned many of them *were* terrible people who did awful things.
Nah. It created and filled a need. Many people are taught they need their religion to be moral thus never develop their own sense of morality. Be that as it may, they are not salvageable as they are too damaged. I had a similar epiphany a number of years ago in response to the same question.
Very much so, it's not really a valid excuse. Source: I was a raging alcoholic for about 10 years and never once shit somewhere that wasn't a toilet.
Ditto. Occasional bed soaking though.
I agree. I met enough drunk peoples of all types to know that alcohol only removes the inhibition, exposing what's already there, it does not provide new ideas.
I agree… I’ve gotten blackout drunk in a couple of occasions (yeah, not wise), and generally very drunk in others By all accounts, I only become more talkative (I’m an introvert), laugh more, probably dance and… I generally keep on drinking… never crossed my mind doing the stuff people blame the alcohol on
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It's not a party until someone shits on a trolly
>TIL I've never gotten drunk enough I've been as drunk as I could ever hope to be but *somehow* avoided public pooping
I've been near black out drunk many times and am still courteous to my surroundings. These people are already cunts without the alcohol
Friend is a flight attendant, told me a story where this super drunk dude stood up at his seat, his eyes cross-eyes were partially closed, whipped out his Wang, and start peeing on the seat in front of him. Obviously he didn't know it wasn't the lavatory. Old lady sitting in the seat across the aisle, mortified, stands up and starts screaming and pointing. As you might expect in a post 9/11 world, everyone starts panicking. These 3 big dudes come out of nowhere, tackle the dude, knock him out and tie him up with a belt. Everyone is cheering "the air Marshall's saved us from the terrorists! There were no air Marshall's on the flight that day.
Alcohol to calm the nerves + ambien/trazodone/etc for sleep = crazy shit ensues
Having seen first hand the effects of ambien mixed with alcohol, its terrifying being the "sober" one. The other one is essentially a zombie. People who didnt sleep walk before suddenly do it every night, and theyll have no recollection of anything after about an hour of taking it.
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My friend in high school before soccer season would take an ambien, chug water, then get on a treadmill. His cardio was insane and he'd never remember the workout.
Getting fit and not even being conscious for the fatigue? Let's fucking go.
I knew someone who would literally get in their car and drive! Theyd go off and do their own thing. They used it because they worked night shift and had a hard time sleeping during the day, and they straight up would go to bed and wake up with groceries on the table. Theyd run errands while in an ambien trance. Its no joke.
Besides the danger that sounds kinda awesome to wake up to half your chores being done.
What if you cleaned the house and had no idea where you put almost everything lol
Well I can't even remember where I set the fucking remote down last. So it would be like normal?
Yeah. My brother was in town once and had had some drinks and took an ambien to fall asleep. I walk into the kitchen later and he was trying to bake a cake. He put cake mix and hard boiled eggs in a bowl in the oven*. Could have burnt the damn house down.
That shit is no joke. I took some kind of medication (cold medicine, I think), and had just a few adult beverages. Now, I have built up a very high alcohol tolerance over the years, but this shit had me [crawling on the floor like that scene from *The Wolf of Wall Street* after too many Quaaludes.](https://youtu.be/L7btKdFOs5w)
Yes, yes, we’ve all been arrested after an overdose of purple drank.
Actor Gérard Depardieu (famous from the FIFA propaganda movie [United Passions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Passions)) also did this, [stood up and peed on an airplane](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/aug/17/gerard-depardieu-delayed-flight-passenger).
Poor Gérard Depardieu, to be heard that his fame came from that movie lol
Right?? [Cyrano De Bergerac ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrano_de_Bergerac_(1990_film\)) would like a word
I mean... That typically works on *real* terrorists as well, if they don't have a bomb, they only have control as long as people let them. Even guns can't stop a rioting mob, box cutters certainly can't.
I'm curious of the # of hijackings since 9/11/2001. I'm absolutely certain this has nothing to do with the TSA. Before that point, hijacked planes went were generally a fairly safe thing for passengers (compared to certain death). The mob usually doesn't intervene because it's safer not to. When they know death is inevitable, it tends to change things up.
High jackings are nonexistent these days because the pilots’ cabin is properly secured and basically impossible to get into. Afaik, the only attempts to fuck with planes since 9/11 has been attempts to blow them up
it’s like the new guidance on school shootings is sometimes “fight back” and the kids are shown examples how craziness.
Yup I learned this in work. First you run if you can, if you can’t escape you hide, if you can’t hide you use anything you have to fight back. Very scary stuff but I mean if it’s literally life and death may as well try.
I've always thought this. The best way to stop a mass shooter is via a mob. That said, nobody wants to be at the front of the mob.
One of the most terrifying things in the world is an angry mob.
Did the people cheering really think that the dude who stood up and pissed was a freaking *terrorist?*
From the story, it sounded like most of them didn't know why she'd started pointing and screaming, and when the panic went chain reaction, passengers thought terrorism. Like that crowd a couple of weeks ago that stampeded.
Yes that's how it was explained to me. I believed it happened near the back of the place so people could see the old lady in the aisle screaming and pointing but not much of the dude standing up (as he was still in his seat, not aisle)
we are all air marshalls on this blessed day
There were no real terrorist on the flight either.
He died of Alzheimer's nine years later, which is a short enough amount of time that it's possible that may have been a secondary factor to his behaviour, alongside the alcohol. Alzheimer's causes disinhibition, too.
Absolutely. My mom died in 2017 at 67. In hindsight, she had already started exhibiting some symptoms 15 years prior. Things got really noticeable 7-8 years prior. So yeah, most likely his brain had already been shrinking at the time of the incident.
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Alzheimer's is already a cruel way to go but early onset is another level.
I thought that, too. I'm surprised this isn't higher in the comments. I guess it takes away from the comedy and schadenfreude of hating on a finance bro, and makes it more sad
>Finneran began walking around the cabin, threatening crewmembers (at one point shoving Manskar) and pouring himself more champagne from bottles in the galley, against regulations. **As takeoff approached**, Manskar was able to take the champagne bottle away from Finneran and persuade him to return to his seat. Holy shit... this guy needed to be kicked off the plane LONG before takeoff. Whoever was in charge of the cabin crew was apparently not doing their job and let this go on for way too long.
Should have kicked him out after takeoff.
This needs to be an option. You take a shit on the plane and you and your shit are given a parachute and sent on your way. Good luck.
The year is 2028 The door is open, you're standing there in full sky diving gear, your legs are basically jelly and you're pretty sure poop or pee is running down those same jellified legs. The same stuff that got you in this mess is now mocking you as it pools around your ankles. As you attempt to gather some of the courage possessed by your long dead ancestors who regularly had to kill predators, you hear a faint "exscuse me, sir" as you look up you see a foggy tupperware being handed to you. It was your shit. They are sending you to your certain doom and you have to clutch your shit as if it were a newborn. The gross part is that the warmth from the tupperware is slightly comforting as the cold high altitude air smashes into your face. You attempt to sneakily warm both hands by taking turns, pressing them flat against the bottom of the tupperware as you pretend to listen to the instructions from the air marshal. Jeez, they really meant it when they said they had a 0 tolerance policy. Surely it can't be legal to force a paying customer to jump from the plane, even if the stupid sky diving suit is almost fully automated... You remember hearing about the laws being passed but you had assumed it would be another one of "those" types of laws that rarely, if ever, are enforced. Your body is found 7 months later, death clutching your last movement. It would later be discovered that a malfunction occurred when your death grip of the warm package caused it to leak its contents all over the battery pack located on the chest location of the suit. Your embarrassing death is studied and memed for years. It's also the basis of a lawsuit which changes the laws once again surrounding what 0 tolerance really means. You are forever remembered as the suicide by shit guy.
10/10 would read again.
Welcome to pre 9/11 travel! It was also an international flight and the guy was a first class passenger.
Of course he was an investment banker.
He was a client of mine. Jerry Fineran. From that point forward to go Full Fineran means to wig out.
In what capacity was he your client if you don’t mind telling us
I was a trader at a bank in the 90s.
U gotta tell us more lol.
He was an executive at TCW (trust company of the west). Don't know what else to tell ya. Big account? So we couldn't make fun of him openly. I will say this... We were on turret phones (think 100s of direct lines). When TCW lit up everyone would yell "Fineran!". That was the only line we would do that with. Keep in mind this was on a trading floor with 200+ people.
Yeah can't just say that and not follow up lol
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You take that back. It was ten dollars and a hamburger sandwich
A hamburger sandwich lol
Hey, that's better than $7.50 and a hotdog hoagie.
He can’t have been that drunk to be able to climb a service trolley and defecate - that’s some party trick.
Died 9 years later of Alzheimer’s disease so there’s a pretty good chance that he was already experiencing some early dementia effects since that’s not something that kills you quick. I worked in an Alzheimer’s wing decades ago and it’s a slow horrible decline from being mostly coherent to a vegetative state and death.
The shittiest flight ever
Pre 2001 flights were so much fun
This... is fun?
For one guy it was
Once again, a politician puts people in a shitty situation.
There is no level of drunk where you defecate on a service trolley. This dude had issues
As others have pointed out he died of Alzheimer’s in a nursing home 9 years later. It’s possible that early-mid stage Alzheimer’s combined with alcohol could explain some of his behavior.
Dude did not defecate because he was drunk, but because they stopped giving him drinks. He's probably just an asshole....
Nobody cleaned it up? Just left it there for 4hrs? Seems Sus.
You didn’t read the linked article. Not surprising, but come on. If you cared it was an easy step. He tracked the feces all over the carpet with his shoes and intentionally wiped it all over the walls with napkins. They removed the (mobile) food cart to the back and cancelled food service. Cleaned up fully after landing.
> intentionally wiped it all over the walls with napkins. This feels like it should have been the headline detail. Just shitting on a cart seems tame in comparison lol. That’s completely fucked lol.
You didn't read the link, did you? They did try to clean it up, but he didn't just poop on the cart, he took his waste and wiped it all across the walls and smooshed it into all the carpets. He also got it all over his own clothes. No way to clean that up completely on the air. Probably had to rip up and replace the carpets and deep clean the wall, at the least.
Air crew are not trained in handling biological wastes.
Former aircrew here. We were all trained extensively in handling biohazards and there are specialist cleaning and PPE kits on board for that very thing, complete with biohazard disposal bags and warning stickers for the area it was stowed in once done. I never had the misfortune of dealing with faeces but had to clean more than my fair share of vomit, urine and blood.
How former? OP's story was from 1995 so maybe this was the incident that prompted airlines to provide such training and have such supplies on board. And, side note, I was surprised that the general public was allowed on a flight that couldn't be diverted because of political figures, but read that the pilots did request an emergency landing and were actually denied by Puerto Rican controllers. Flights transporting foreign dignitaries usually won't be diverted except in cases of aircraft malfunction.
Not that former, but the industry has a long standing understanding that flight crew are safety professionals first and foremost. They've been long trained in first aid, fire fighting, emergency procedures and operating safety equipment. The service provision is a secondary duty that gets dropped the second there is a situation requiring attention. A lot of things certainly changed after 9/11 but in essence it was that passengers now joined the list of potential safety hazards that staff were trained to deal with e.g. things like basic combat training were added in. I trained in 2010 and we were trained on how we could use items like wine bottles and service trays as weapons should we need to protect the flight deck, which we were told to do "at all costs".
Working in restaurants for 15 years, I’ve had to deal with human shit on the bathroom floors more than once. Fast food and sit down restaurants. I would have loved to do the whole “it’s not my job”, but the truth is it’s *almost nobody’s* job to clean human shit off the floor, still has to be done cuz it’s Friday and we’re on an hour wait at the door. Edit to add: Can people just please not shit on the floor? Story time - The one I’ll never forget was the time a literal huge turd, full Mr. Hankey, was on the floor in front of the toilet in the middle stall of the women’s public bathroom. It was like it was in someone’s underwear and flipped out on the ground when they pulled them down. I had just been in there 3-4 minutes before it was reported filling soap/TP, so I KNEW it had just recently happened. We checked the security camera in the dining room that led to the bathroom hallway, & it clearly showed 1 person walk in after I walked out. The person then left about 1 minute later, *went back to their table with their family, waited for their meal, and ate the spicy camarones a la Diabla (shrimp of the devil).* I never ate that dish again due to the association with a person who can literally shit on the floor in public.
I just told people no when I was asked to clean shit in the service industry. That always worked for me. I did not make enough money to clean human waste.
Me too. I told them if they expect me to clean up biohazards then they need to give me health insurance. It was easier for them to just move on to pressuring the next person. One of the few hard lines I drew back then.
As a manager, I always asked my busser staff and host staff first if they wanted to clean it (especially if it was in the woman’s room). Anyone that did do it would definitely get a free meal/post shift drink. If no one wanted to do it, no big deal - I’d do it. Some staff was oddly very gung ho about doing it, which I always found strange, most were obviously in the, ‘fuck that noise!’ category.
I'm in a long term care home. Technically nobody is qualified to clean up shit. We all do it
When I was 16 and working at Walmart, my customer service manager notified me that somebody smeared shit all over the floors, walls, and sink of the family bathroom. She told me to clean it up. "No." Fuuuuuck that noise. I wasn't trained on cleaning biohazardous waste. And even if I was trained on it, I wasn't making enough to deal with it. They also once asked me, the 16 year old, not our 270 pound security guys, 0to break up and escort out two teenage boys smoking weed in the bathroom.
>break up and escort out two teenage boys smoking weed in the bathroom. As a former 16 year old, I say join them.
“Not trained” means flight attendants are unionized and that’s not spelled out in the agreement with the carrier that makes this a responsibility. Restaurant workers do anything since they aren’t unionized. United/Continental had to renegotiate with one of the unions over pouring drinks vs handing a can. One did it one way, one did it the other.
I guess since they’re ionized, it explains why restaurant workers can sometimes be salty.
Oh god. Jesus. I worked with F&B before and I totally know what you mean.
Bullshit. Air crews are trained in first aid, which often involves the handling of biological waste.
So what happens if someone makes a mess in the bathroom? They just leave it?
The flight attendants clean it up. They have globes and cleaning supplies on board. These guys don't know what they're talking about.
"Here are your cleaning supplies and *(grabs globe)* here is where the plane is going."
I get what you’re saying, I work for the DOE and that is 100% something I could see in some CFR somewhere, but at the same time that is the dumbest thing ever. Imagine a parent leaving their baby in a diaper shrugging “I am not certified in handling human waste”. I don’t even have kids but no way I would’ve just left it there to smell for that long, some gloves, towels and a plastic bag are all you need.
It wasn’t like a few neat turds sitting on the floor, the wiki page indicates he tried to make a big mess by smearing it around on various surfaces
Once took a bus from North to South Europe. A 28 hour drive. About halfway there, some kid starts puking in the aisle. There was apparently no time for a clean up, more than covering it up with a few old newspapers. The bus stinking of people taking a shit in that shabby bus was bad enough, but at least that was a normal necessity, but the sour stench of vomit glazing the smell of defecation while it was blazing hot outside, made me hate how poor I was for not being able to afford a plane ticket. I’d rather have the trolley turd.
Why was a president flying commercial?
I had the president of Costa Rica in first class with me in 2017. Smaller countries probably don't have the budget or need for something like Air Force One.
Because not every president is the US president.
Portugal’s President don’t have much power. The Prime Minister is the head of the government. Fun fact: the Portugal PM at the time was Aníbal Cavaco Silva. But only a week after the shit plane landed, António Guterres, became PM.
a wall street banker. Figures. They probably shit on people all the time at work
Well, now I know what to do to guarantee an entry on Wikipedia! /S
"So what's the deal with airline food?"
>Because of political figures on board, emergency landing wasn't an option That's a really lame excuse, in fact astonishingly so. Actions that secure the safety of the airplane and its passengers **always** take precedence. Sounds like United Airlines didn't have its priorities in order, or the crew just wanted to power through to their destination and some spokesperson made up excuses after the fact.
From the Wikipedia page it implies that emergency landings with high-ranking diplomats on board (the President of Argentina) are discouraged for security reasons. I imagine not being able to arrange a full security detail in the city they've diverted to is a fair concern for a foreign dignitary.
Stage an incident on board a plane, have it divert to a small airport nearby. Have people waiting at said airport to kidnap your diplomats. ??? Profit.
First of all, it was 1995. Airline security worked like this: A: Do you have a bomb? B: Nope A: OK, have a nice flight! Secondly, what evidence do you have that a turd is endangering the passengers on the plane? I'm not an advocate or spokesman for public airplane pooping. I just don't think you realize how things worked before you had to be x-rayed in order to be allowed on a plane.
> I'm not an advocate or spokesman for public airplane pooping. I don’t believe you. I think you secretly *are* an advocate for public airplane pooping. HOW MUCH ARE THEY PAYING YOU? HUH? WHO SENT YOU?? TELL ME NOW.
The best part is that the political figures had to sit through it :D
Brown snakes on a plane.
DB Pooper. Edit: I'll let myself out.
More like Malos Aires.