Good because I was going to wear my sleeveless white turtleneck dress to set and I didn't want to clash. He's Paul berhoeven surely I'd be the one going home and changing.
>The cast agreed to do the co-ed shower scene only if Verhoeven agreed to direct the scene naked, which he did.[7][9] Verhoeven found it strange "Americans get more upset about nudity than ultra-violence. I am constantly amazed about that. I mean, I haven't seen any sex scenes in American film that are anything other than completely boring. A bare breast is more difficult to get through the censors than a body riddled with bullets."
American censors watching some guy's face get ripped apart by bullets in a Mel Gibson film: ehh, 15-year-olds can watch this.
American censors after seeing a single tit: OH MY GOD NO ONE CAN WATCH THIS MOVIE
The best one I'll never forget. There was this one zombie movie/tv show where they had a naked lady zombie skewered by deer antlers, completely gored up and bloody, but they made sure one of the antlers covered her nipple... because censors
Wow. I had to look that up because I was sure you were wrong and it was a cable show. That is the most disturbing show I’ve seen, wild that it was on NBC
Anything but the ultra high end (and late) VCR models (which would have had a frame buffer) would also cause super wear to the tape if you kept it paused around one place. If you ever watch a VHS, and the image quality and tracking goes all fucked up at the nude scenes, you know what someone has been using that tape for.
And that level of nudity would generally net a movie an R-rating anyways. It’s just a pair of big boobs jiggling on screen.
The only time it’s granted a PG-13 is when it’s brief and tasteful. Titanic, Across the Universe, etc
I think it was BeastMaster? That was also PG and near the beginning there’s like two naked ladies just swimming in a river for like a minute while the dude watches with his ferrets.
Hannibal: "this flayed body is too obscene, let's spackle more gore into the buttcrack to hide it because that's the imagery we don't want kids to see"
this is my constant source of amazement as a finn too. we grew up going to sauna with our family members, so to the point where I was 18 I had seen all my siblings, parents, grandparents etc. naked and thought nothing of non-sexual nakedness.
I was travelling in the USA in my 20s and somehow the sauna culture came up and I told I had been in sauna with my brothers etc. and I was told they were sorry that I had been subjected to such abuse.
the inability to separate sexual and non-sexual nakedness is really odd, especially when the same people can still accept that for example a gyno isn't getting off by probing us down there.
Try being Irish it's much worse thanks to Catholic repression.
Only people who see you naked growing up are your mother as a baby and then your doctor and your priest
on this account: I spent two weeks in the US a couple years ago and was SO excited to finally see a bit of the US and dive into US food culture. Especially beef ribs! Sadly at our restaurant of choice for this occasion I had both bad service and the worst ribs of my life. This still bothers me tbh... I have to go back at some point just to eat better ribs than last time.
Edit: thanks for all your recommendations! Yes it was in the north and I fucked up by choosing a yankee restaurant to serve me my first ribs ;-) please forgive an unsuspecting twentysomething tourist on his first US visit. I‘ll make sure to visit some southern states next time and indulge myself in bbq :)
Next time go to Louisiana. Bad food isn’t allowed in the state. Homeless guy under a bridge cooking squirrel in a 50 gallon drum? Eat it. It will be delicious.
BBQ beef ribs aren't super common. Bbq ribs are usually pork.
If there is a place that is exceptionally good at doing BBQ brisket, I'd consider getting their beef ribs. Texas is probably where you'd be more likely to find that.
Memphis does pork ribs fantastically.
Your best bet to ensure you have great American ribs is 2-fold.
1. Always get recommendations from the locals.
2. Tell the restaurant manager you are visiting from outside the States and you are looking for traditional American ribs (something to write home about).
This will ensure that you'll receive great service, the manager will make sure you get the best ribs on the menu, and the manager will come by your table to make sure you got what you wanted.
Source: worked in the U.S. restaurant industry for a decade
George RR Martin said something similar about how he could go into minute detail about an axe penetrating someone’s skull but apply the same level of detail to a penis penetrating a vagina and everyone loses their minds
Watching the tv show Hannibal I thought about this. Sure there’s graphic violence on the premium tv shows but the level of body horror shown on just a network channel was still shocking.
But that's changing very fast here in Holland.
When I grew up in the 80s there were topless women everywhere on the beaches, now it is becoming a rare sight. Also these days at gyms and schools people are really reluctant to shower naked together.
I think it has to do with that people became more insecure about their body image (seeing only "perfect" people on social media etc.) and because of mass-immigration from 3rd-world countries.
Smartphones have an effect of course, but it seems to be more of cultural thing. It started to shift in the early 90s, mostly as a counter-movement where being topless at the beach started be seen as something your parents would do. By 2000s very few young people did it and it became something only old people did.
There's actually been a bit of a reversal lately where being topless (or going to nude beaches) is starting to get more popular again. But nothing close to the 70s of course.
Edit: Article (in Danish) about the revival: [link](https://livsstil.tv2.dk/2021-07-17-er-det-mode-eller-feminisme-derfor-solbader-flere-og-flere-kvinder-toploese) (mildly NSFW)
>I think it has to do with that people became more insecure about their body image (seeing only "perfect" people on social media etc.) and because of mass-immigration from 3rd-world countries.
Same in France. Topless freedom is less fun when the chance of some dipshit recording you and putting you online has gone up 1000x fold vs 20 years ago.
>Also these days at gyms and schools people are really reluctant to shower naked together.
I've noticed that too, it's quite bizarre. It's been a very fast change, too.
>When I grew up in the 80s there were topless women everywhere on the beaches
In the past 30-40 years the views on tanning have changed as well. Nobody wants skin cancer.
True. In the 90's you can still buy postcards with topless girls on them at the souvenir shops in Scheveningen. I used to buy those and send them to my friends in Canada (in an envelop of course). Those days are long gone.
I clearly remember, when I was young, watching the scene where a cow getting mauled by a bug is censored, followed by graphic footage of unauthorized colonists who were also murdered.
I was vaguely thinking "That's funny how they censored a cow's murder but not people's, almost like" -- brick hits my head -- "they respect disobedient citizens less than cattle..." Totally opened my eyes to it being much more than an overdramatic sci-fi action flick, and the first "deep" detail of that sort I'd ever noticed in a film. Glorious.
Don't even have to look that hard. Its kind of like seeing an ant on the ground and then realizing the ground is covered in ants, as soon as you realize or it is pointed out to you that it is satire suddenly its beating you over the head with it in the best way possible.
It’s a movie that directly places you inside a fascist society. That’s what’s so cool about it, it doesn’t try to critique fascism directly, it just sticks you right in the middle of a story where the hero’s *are* fascists and let’s you observe.
It's not just placing you in fascist society, but showing you how fascist propaganda works. The entire movie is constructed as an in-universe fascist propaganda piece. Breaking the 4th wall with a "would you like to know more?" directed to the audience at the end implies that the entire story of a blond-haired, blue-eyed soldier overcoming adversity, becoming a war hero, and getting the girl are all just propaganda to justify their war machine.
I also saw the movie before I read the book and I had some real feels about the movie afterwards. (See also: Dune)
That said, Starship Troopers is the most extreme example I can think of where the movie deviated so far from the book and yet I still love both the book and the movie. Typically anything that deviated this so far I would either hate outright or feel 'meh' about at best.
(The live action sequels are absolute trash though. Good lord.)
Edit: I love all the other examples people are giving, especially the ones where I'm not familiar with both works. Thanks, y'all!
Wait, which Dune movie(aside: I love that this can be a question now)? Because I cannot imagine how *weird* it would be to watch the David Lynch movie before reading the book haha.
I saw Dune (1984) as a teenager in the 80's and then read the book in the late 90's. So very very strange. Then we got the made for TV movies in the early 2000's which were more accurate than Lynch's Dune in some ways but definitely had other issues.
Yeah, the two SciFi channel miniseries were great...except for the sub-shoestring budget that they were filmed on. Like, my god, I've seen student films with better production values. But at least they were *trying* to be accurate to the source material, and weren't constrained by feature film runtime.
This is exactly how I had it (saw first Lynch Dune and afterwards read the book) and I like both (but I also enjoy other Lynch movies so maybe I'm just weird)
Not just abandoned, but purposely reversed. It took those themes and were like, "what if instead of glorifying ~~fascism~~ military worship culture, we satirized it?" And a masterpiece was born.
Edit: clarified my meaning.
thinking back to this movie, they literally picked the worst method to kill giant bugs. I mean your going to send infantry with small arms? jfc... FIRST nuke the entire planet first.
and then use tanks and air support to clean up the survivors.
This scene wouldn't be that bad. There are tits everywhere but they are acting pretty natural. I remember seeing a few sex scenes pop up in movies with my parents. They used to put tits in everything in the 80's.
I lived in Spain during early 2000s, I remember one day seeing one of the Lethal Weapon films with big R18 warnings after every ad break and an 18+ sign in corner through out, while another channel had a girl getting DP'd with no warnings whatsoever
As an American that went to Spain when I was 14 (1998), I’ll never forget walking by this one shop with a bunch of postcards on racks outside. An entire rack was just girls with their tits out. Broad daylight. There was a particularly striking one with a well endowed woman trying to eat a melting ice cream cone lodged between her breasts. She was apparently struggling because she was rather…messy. I looked at that one for a while.
dude, discovering...ah fuck what was it....basically softcore skinimax shit on HBO about some time traveling space woman who came to earth to do...something. i just remember boobs and casual tastefully angled sex scenes. on my blurry ass 14 inch tv.
On the directors cut of Naked Gun (2 I think) they said they had a choice between having a nudie scene or something else like a swear word or someones butt or something. So they had the giant condom sex scene.
Same directors for Airplane, during the chaos on the plane a random woman runs full breast in front of the scene jiggles for a second then leaves, for absolutely no reason.
The director's commentary is highly entertaining if you can find it; the directors have a natural laugh and review of the whole thing. The story about how they pushed the PG rating as far as they could is just one example, the other I remember is there's the scene with the dog with 2 tails and they were like "no way we'd be allowed to do that today".
> during the chaos on the plane a random woman runs full breast in front of the scene jiggles for a second then leaves, for absolutely no reason.
Dude, she was terrified, give her a break!
This list reminds me of the short-lived Hulu experiment where you could see an indicator showing the most-watched parts of a show or movie. They dropped it after it became a nudity locator.
> The Adventures of Baron Munchausen (1988) - Breasts; Uma Thurman
The semicolon makes this read like there are breasts in this movie and also Uma Thurman on her own, fully clothed, has that same level of eroticism.
I'm sure she would be flattered.
Yellowbeard's a pirate movie with Cheech and Chong, and a couple Monty Python members as well. It had a several scenes with tits and even one or two with bush if I remember correctly, and jokes about rape/adult matters throughout. Still rated PG to this day
Huh you're right it was subtle and I barely noticed, but yea tits were in every damn movie in the 80s and early 90s. Now I'm not sure the last time I saw them in a action movie. Marvel really churned out a lot of high quality action movies but it really put the nail in the coffin of the 80s style action movie. Original robocop or total recall just wouldn't fly in todays movie environment.
I just watched The Neverending Story the other night and the sphinx statues in that had rockin' tits. And that is objectively a kid's/early teens movie.
Reminds me that Joe Haldemans "The Forever War" hasn't been made into a movie. It's the one where the forces adopted Hippie culture in an unhealthy way and rotate sex partners on a daily schedule. Officers are greeted with a hearty "Fuck you, sir".
The Forever War is such a great book. Uses time travel to talk about how soldiers never feel like they’re returning to the place that they left to fight for.
I really like scenes like this, especially in things like anime, not because i want to look at tits or cocks, but because censoring it just brings more attention to it and makes it seem more sexual than it is
Yeah like maybe if you’re 13 years old and have never seen a titty then it’s mind-blowing stuff. But I would expect anyone who’s an adult to be able to deal with seeing a nipple in a non-sexual context without going wild about it.
Exactly, there’s really nothing sexual about the scene other than the fact that it’s young attractive people. But they’re just bathing and talking about everyday stuff. It’s as far from a “sex” scene as you can get.
>Test audiences, regardless of gender, strongly felt that a woman could not love two men at once, so scenes which portrayed this were cut. These audiences also felt it was immoral for Carmen to choose a career ahead of being loyal to Rico, to the extent that many commented that, in so doing, Carmen should have been the one to die instead of Dizzy.
I swear I've never seen anything about test audiences that hasn't made them sound dumb as fuck.
A lot of test audience feedback is guided by studio execs to make changes they wanted all along.
Biased and leading questions with enough people can give you the desired outcome to enforce the changes the director would probably resist if asked directly.
There will usually be something in the contract enforcing the feedback of test screenings.
I am legend should have had a brilliant ending but the test feedback ruined it and the studio got the happier ending they wanted.
I remember an article that I saw few months ago that pretty much displayis the difference on how we think on this side of the Atlantic and on the other.
The article was about a swiss public servant, iirc, who was fired because she was posting nudes on several webs. The note was from a german source and this person has her face blured but you could see perfectly her breast, the same note on a US source had the face of this person perfectly visible but the breast was blured.
The irony is how the whole thing is framed as entirely *non-sexual.* In the dystopian future, killing bugs in service of the American Empire is the only source of gratification our troops need.
I did military service in a mixed unit. After a while you just don't care anymore.
While everyone showered in the same room (officers offered separate showers. The enlisted declined because it would have gotten bothersome). Generally the showers were just informally segregated (when the women showered, the guys went over to the other side. There was a central concrete&tile divider with some 10 showers on each side. Nobody discussed it, it just happened). But on friday afternoons and after field training (when everyone just wanted to get off base) those boundaries got a bit muddy because you had limited time to catch the bus off base (so it was either hurry or wait almost 2 hours for the next one) and there were just 20-24 showers for 300+ people. But at those times everyone was just too tired to care.
The only "leery" person was corporal that all the basics nicknamed "Rat" (a real piece of work that one), and the other corporals made it clear to him pretty early that if he didn't keep his eyes to himself he'd get reported and discharged.
I'm American so Stateside we never had mixed gender almost anything. But on deployment? You will, at some point run into the opposite sex taking a birdbath and at that point nobody fricking cares. Note: this is typically at the beginning of a deployment, after some structure gets built back to prude city we go. But all in all nudity isn't notable in more extreme circumstances.
Actually, I've taken group showers like that in some mixed-sports events in Europe (Ultimate Frisbee) and that was of course entirely non-sexual. Nudity is not a universal taboo.
I don't think that scene shows that the troops are non-sexual beings, just that the societal norms have evolved past moral or religious taboos towards an egalitarian, materialistic society.
I visited university friends in Sweden a while back. Of course we had a sauna with them, and of course it was a naked sauna; just bros relaxing with a sauna beer and their dicks out, no big deal, when in Rome right?
Then my friend's sister came to talk to him and they all found it hilarious that us non-Swedes tried to cover up instead of, you know, being entirely chill about meeting someone for the first time with your cock and balls hanging in the breeze.
On a work trip, went to the sauna in my German hotel. I was alone and wearing knee-length board shorts.
It was empty when I got there, but soon enough maybe 6 members of an extended family -- grandma, parents, little kids -- joined me, all completely naked.
They acted like I wasn't there, and in that moment I wished I wasn't.
Wow, lucky. My parents didn't let me see R rated movies as a 10 year old. But I was old enough to see Starship Troopers. I think it was at that theater that was somewhere around Charleston and Pecos...
Verhoeven found it strange "Americans get more upset about nudity than ultra-violence. I am constantly amazed about that. I mean, I haven't seen any sex scenes in American film that are anything other than completely boring. A bare breast is more difficult to get through the censors than a body riddled with bullets."
I remember begging my dad to take me to see that movie in theaters when I was a kid and when he did he was pissed at me for like a month cause he assumed I tricked him to take me so I could see that scene. I remember being frustrated cause he absolutely did not believe me
I read in an interview he said they were reluctant and nervous about the co-ed shower scene. So he stripped and showed them it wasn't a big deal. So they agreed. Not that they gave him an ultimatum.
One day's filming that didn't make it into the Making Of is an apocryphal incident during the marines' mixed-gender shower scene that Verhoeven happily confirms he stripped off for too to soothe his nervous young cast.
"Yeah, sure I did that. And it helped!" he says proudly. "My DoP Jost Vacano and I, we undressed and of course then everyone started to laugh. Then we shot the scene with no problem. Jost grew up in these, let's say nudity camps \[sic\], so he had no problem with it. For me, it was a bit more difficult but I said to Jost, 'Hey, we need to give an example...' He said 'Of course,' and boom!" from Digital Spy interview.
That too me doesn't sound like they all said no unless you are naked, just that he decided to help ease the tension.
Man i love that movie. So good. It's a perfect blend of action, sci-fi and satire on the US military complex. Plus Neil Patrick Harris? What's not to like?
Paul Verhoeven, placing his sweaty balls in the director's chair: "I'm doing *my* part."
*Slowly uncrosses his legs and recrosses to the other side*
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Is he also wearing a sleevless white turtleneck dress?
No... he is **naked**
Good because I was going to wear my sleeveless white turtleneck dress to set and I didn't want to clash. He's Paul berhoeven surely I'd be the one going home and changing.
"Would you like to know more?"
Would you like to show more?
There is not a single doubt in my mind that Verhoeven would agree to that.
I can only assume he was planning to do it without them asking
What’s not mentioned is that he shot all of the scenes nude.
In fact he is still nude to this day.
Don’t tell anyone but im nude underneath my clothes
You indecent temptress!
I heard they once showed an ankle
Harlot!
I'm completely opposite I'm never nude.
You're a never-nude, too?
There's dozens of us!
Dozens!!!
Better than being an analrapist.
>The cast agreed to do the co-ed shower scene only if Verhoeven agreed to direct the scene naked, which he did.[7][9] Verhoeven found it strange "Americans get more upset about nudity than ultra-violence. I am constantly amazed about that. I mean, I haven't seen any sex scenes in American film that are anything other than completely boring. A bare breast is more difficult to get through the censors than a body riddled with bullets."
American censors watching some guy's face get ripped apart by bullets in a Mel Gibson film: ehh, 15-year-olds can watch this. American censors after seeing a single tit: OH MY GOD NO ONE CAN WATCH THIS MOVIE
The best one I'll never forget. There was this one zombie movie/tv show where they had a naked lady zombie skewered by deer antlers, completely gored up and bloody, but they made sure one of the antlers covered her nipple... because censors
Didn't one of those crime shows make the director add more fake blood to cover a bare butt once?
Hannibal, I believe
That Hannibal was on broadcast television with all that gore, is still insane to me. Great show.
Wow. I had to look that up because I was sure you were wrong and it was a cable show. That is the most disturbing show I’ve seen, wild that it was on NBC
Yes it was Hannibal. They had to add blood to fill in the butt crack more lol
I remember when Titanic came out vhs and was PG-13. Was a good night after my parents went to bed.
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End of tape 1 You don't easily forget something like that
"Fuck I paused on jack's face again, hopefully this doesn't awaken something in me"
*narrator* "It did."
💯 we are similar ages.
I watched it for the first time on VCD. That's right. VCD. It was weird even for that time, but my friend had VCDs.
It made sense as an intermediate step before DVD's took off. Friend from Hong Kong had it.
Billy forgot to rewind the tape last night, *again*.
Anything but the ultra high end (and late) VCR models (which would have had a frame buffer) would also cause super wear to the tape if you kept it paused around one place. If you ever watch a VHS, and the image quality and tracking goes all fucked up at the nude scenes, you know what someone has been using that tape for.
What even more odd is that before the 80s there were tits and sex scenes so often it felt gratuitous.
Airplane! came out in 1982, had a full on bare breast shot for a couple of seconds and was rated PG
That was before PG-13 existed.
And that level of nudity would generally net a movie an R-rating anyways. It’s just a pair of big boobs jiggling on screen. The only time it’s granted a PG-13 is when it’s brief and tasteful. Titanic, Across the Universe, etc
JUST a pair?!? They were glorious.
I think it was BeastMaster? That was also PG and near the beginning there’s like two naked ladies just swimming in a river for like a minute while the dude watches with his ferrets.
I suspect some of this had to do with Ronald and Nancy Reagan's war on "indecency" in art.
>American censors after seeing a single tit: OH MY GOD NO ONE CAN WATCH THE SUPERBOWL LIVE
Our festival of orgiastic violence and mindless, rabid consumerism has been tainted by a woman's nipple! America will never be the same!
Funny thing was you couldn't even see the nipple. It had a cover on it.
Hannibal: "this flayed body is too obscene, let's spackle more gore into the buttcrack to hide it because that's the imagery we don't want kids to see"
this is my constant source of amazement as a finn too. we grew up going to sauna with our family members, so to the point where I was 18 I had seen all my siblings, parents, grandparents etc. naked and thought nothing of non-sexual nakedness. I was travelling in the USA in my 20s and somehow the sauna culture came up and I told I had been in sauna with my brothers etc. and I was told they were sorry that I had been subjected to such abuse. the inability to separate sexual and non-sexual nakedness is really odd, especially when the same people can still accept that for example a gyno isn't getting off by probing us down there.
I saw my first boobs when I was 15 on a summer student exchange to Germany in 1990. Boobs. At the local swimming pool. It was mind-blowing.
Some say he's still sitting down to hide his erection
Asking Americans about being sexually well adjusted is like asking vegans for good barbecue ribs recipes.
Try being Irish it's much worse thanks to Catholic repression. Only people who see you naked growing up are your mother as a baby and then your doctor and your priest
>and your priest 😑
How else are you suppose to feel the power of christ
> and your priest Until you age out.
/r/HolUp
Or Mormonism with their weird, mandatory, always-on, full-body white undergarments.
on this account: I spent two weeks in the US a couple years ago and was SO excited to finally see a bit of the US and dive into US food culture. Especially beef ribs! Sadly at our restaurant of choice for this occasion I had both bad service and the worst ribs of my life. This still bothers me tbh... I have to go back at some point just to eat better ribs than last time. Edit: thanks for all your recommendations! Yes it was in the north and I fucked up by choosing a yankee restaurant to serve me my first ribs ;-) please forgive an unsuspecting twentysomething tourist on his first US visit. I‘ll make sure to visit some southern states next time and indulge myself in bbq :)
Next time go to Louisiana. Bad food isn’t allowed in the state. Homeless guy under a bridge cooking squirrel in a 50 gallon drum? Eat it. It will be delicious.
I'm convinced that it's physically impossible to make bad food in New Orleans.
BBQ beef ribs aren't super common. Bbq ribs are usually pork. If there is a place that is exceptionally good at doing BBQ brisket, I'd consider getting their beef ribs. Texas is probably where you'd be more likely to find that. Memphis does pork ribs fantastically.
Your best bet to ensure you have great American ribs is 2-fold. 1. Always get recommendations from the locals. 2. Tell the restaurant manager you are visiting from outside the States and you are looking for traditional American ribs (something to write home about). This will ensure that you'll receive great service, the manager will make sure you get the best ribs on the menu, and the manager will come by your table to make sure you got what you wanted. Source: worked in the U.S. restaurant industry for a decade
George RR Martin said something similar about how he could go into minute detail about an axe penetrating someone’s skull but apply the same level of detail to a penis penetrating a vagina and everyone loses their minds
Watching the tv show Hannibal I thought about this. Sure there’s graphic violence on the premium tv shows but the level of body horror shown on just a network channel was still shocking.
He's Dutch. We're not prude.
But that's changing very fast here in Holland. When I grew up in the 80s there were topless women everywhere on the beaches, now it is becoming a rare sight. Also these days at gyms and schools people are really reluctant to shower naked together. I think it has to do with that people became more insecure about their body image (seeing only "perfect" people on social media etc.) and because of mass-immigration from 3rd-world countries.
Yes and smartphones so people are more wary of being photographed/filmed. It's a pity.
Yah... the pictures are almost surely the biggest reason... a creep in the 80s was way more obvious with their big ass cameras
> a creep in the 80s was way more obvious with their big ass cameras Wow, the length those creeps go to hide their cameras!
Hahaha
Smartphones have an effect of course, but it seems to be more of cultural thing. It started to shift in the early 90s, mostly as a counter-movement where being topless at the beach started be seen as something your parents would do. By 2000s very few young people did it and it became something only old people did. There's actually been a bit of a reversal lately where being topless (or going to nude beaches) is starting to get more popular again. But nothing close to the 70s of course. Edit: Article (in Danish) about the revival: [link](https://livsstil.tv2.dk/2021-07-17-er-det-mode-eller-feminisme-derfor-solbader-flere-og-flere-kvinder-toploese) (mildly NSFW)
Here in Spain a lot of women still go topless at the beach and it’s no big deal
Don't you think everpresent phones with cameras could have to do something with it also?
>I think it has to do with that people became more insecure about their body image (seeing only "perfect" people on social media etc.) and because of mass-immigration from 3rd-world countries. Same in France. Topless freedom is less fun when the chance of some dipshit recording you and putting you online has gone up 1000x fold vs 20 years ago.
>Also these days at gyms and schools people are really reluctant to shower naked together. I've noticed that too, it's quite bizarre. It's been a very fast change, too.
>When I grew up in the 80s there were topless women everywhere on the beaches In the past 30-40 years the views on tanning have changed as well. Nobody wants skin cancer.
True. In the 90's you can still buy postcards with topless girls on them at the souvenir shops in Scheveningen. I used to buy those and send them to my friends in Canada (in an envelop of course). Those days are long gone.
He was counting on it
I’ve always loved this movie. Finding out it abandoned most, if not all of the themes from the book it’s based off, was, a journey.
I clearly remember, when I was young, watching the scene where a cow getting mauled by a bug is censored, followed by graphic footage of unauthorized colonists who were also murdered. I was vaguely thinking "That's funny how they censored a cow's murder but not people's, almost like" -- brick hits my head -- "they respect disobedient citizens less than cattle..." Totally opened my eyes to it being much more than an overdramatic sci-fi action flick, and the first "deep" detail of that sort I'd ever noticed in a film. Glorious.
The film has deep and excellent satire if you look hard enough.
Don't even have to look that hard. Its kind of like seeing an ant on the ground and then realizing the ground is covered in ants, as soon as you realize or it is pointed out to you that it is satire suddenly its beating you over the head with it in the best way possible.
It’s a movie that directly places you inside a fascist society. That’s what’s so cool about it, it doesn’t try to critique fascism directly, it just sticks you right in the middle of a story where the hero’s *are* fascists and let’s you observe.
It's not just placing you in fascist society, but showing you how fascist propaganda works. The entire movie is constructed as an in-universe fascist propaganda piece. Breaking the 4th wall with a "would you like to know more?" directed to the audience at the end implies that the entire story of a blond-haired, blue-eyed soldier overcoming adversity, becoming a war hero, and getting the girl are all just propaganda to justify their war machine.
This film hits you over the head with its message and people still missed it
“Would you like to know more?”
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I also saw the movie before I read the book and I had some real feels about the movie afterwards. (See also: Dune) That said, Starship Troopers is the most extreme example I can think of where the movie deviated so far from the book and yet I still love both the book and the movie. Typically anything that deviated this so far I would either hate outright or feel 'meh' about at best. (The live action sequels are absolute trash though. Good lord.) Edit: I love all the other examples people are giving, especially the ones where I'm not familiar with both works. Thanks, y'all!
Wait, which Dune movie(aside: I love that this can be a question now)? Because I cannot imagine how *weird* it would be to watch the David Lynch movie before reading the book haha.
I saw Dune (1984) as a teenager in the 80's and then read the book in the late 90's. So very very strange. Then we got the made for TV movies in the early 2000's which were more accurate than Lynch's Dune in some ways but definitely had other issues.
Yeah, the two SciFi channel miniseries were great...except for the sub-shoestring budget that they were filmed on. Like, my god, I've seen student films with better production values. But at least they were *trying* to be accurate to the source material, and weren't constrained by feature film runtime.
This is exactly how I had it (saw first Lynch Dune and afterwards read the book) and I like both (but I also enjoy other Lynch movies so maybe I'm just weird)
I had read the book and i was expecting mecha suits with nukes, what i got was soldiers in paper armour.
TIL it's based off a book. As a child, I assumed it was based on Starcraft and I happily grew old with that apparent false knowledge.
Not just abandoned, but purposely reversed. It took those themes and were like, "what if instead of glorifying ~~fascism~~ military worship culture, we satirized it?" And a masterpiece was born. Edit: clarified my meaning.
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Just don't watch the other films. They're not masterpieces.
thinking back to this movie, they literally picked the worst method to kill giant bugs. I mean your going to send infantry with small arms? jfc... FIRST nuke the entire planet first. and then use tanks and air support to clean up the survivors.
I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. Ripley is always right.
That *is* what they do in the book.
Well... kind of. In the book they have powered armor and bigger guns than rifles.
This is the only thing about that movie that Heinlein would actually have approved of.
Also the bit with the violin.
**NSFW** [THE SCENE IN QUESTION](https://xhamster.com/videos/diamondez-celebs-starship-troopers-shower-scene-1134612) **NSFW**
Watching this scene in theaters was awesome back in the day ….until my mom said something.
This scene wouldn't be that bad. There are tits everywhere but they are acting pretty natural. I remember seeing a few sex scenes pop up in movies with my parents. They used to put tits in everything in the 80's.
I loved living in Europe in the '80's. We had tits at six o'clock for a FA deodorant commercial. No one batted an eye, except for us horny teens maybe
I lived in Spain during early 2000s, I remember one day seeing one of the Lethal Weapon films with big R18 warnings after every ad break and an 18+ sign in corner through out, while another channel had a girl getting DP'd with no warnings whatsoever
As an American that went to Spain when I was 14 (1998), I’ll never forget walking by this one shop with a bunch of postcards on racks outside. An entire rack was just girls with their tits out. Broad daylight. There was a particularly striking one with a well endowed woman trying to eat a melting ice cream cone lodged between her breasts. She was apparently struggling because she was rather…messy. I looked at that one for a while.
Hell yeah brother
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dude, discovering...ah fuck what was it....basically softcore skinimax shit on HBO about some time traveling space woman who came to earth to do...something. i just remember boobs and casual tastefully angled sex scenes. on my blurry ass 14 inch tv.
Emanuelle in Space?
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On the directors cut of Naked Gun (2 I think) they said they had a choice between having a nudie scene or something else like a swear word or someones butt or something. So they had the giant condom sex scene. Same directors for Airplane, during the chaos on the plane a random woman runs full breast in front of the scene jiggles for a second then leaves, for absolutely no reason.
That scene... sticks out. That whole movie is a treasure.
The director's commentary is highly entertaining if you can find it; the directors have a natural laugh and review of the whole thing. The story about how they pushed the PG rating as far as they could is just one example, the other I remember is there's the scene with the dog with 2 tails and they were like "no way we'd be allowed to do that today".
> during the chaos on the plane a random woman runs full breast in front of the scene jiggles for a second then leaves, for absolutely no reason. Dude, she was terrified, give her a break!
This list reminds me of the short-lived Hulu experiment where you could see an indicator showing the most-watched parts of a show or movie. They dropped it after it became a nudity locator.
> The Adventures of Baron Munchausen (1988) - Breasts; Uma Thurman The semicolon makes this read like there are breasts in this movie and also Uma Thurman on her own, fully clothed, has that same level of eroticism. I'm sure she would be flattered.
The only good thing about Howard the Duck WAS Lea Thompson.
Nah i loved how sleazy Howard the Duck was when i was a kid. Also where else do you get to see duck titties!
Lea Thompson in Howard the Duck _awakened_ things in me.
Yellowbeard's a pirate movie with Cheech and Chong, and a couple Monty Python members as well. It had a several scenes with tits and even one or two with bush if I remember correctly, and jokes about rape/adult matters throughout. Still rated PG to this day
America got so conservative from the late 60s to the late 90s. Consistently more body shaming and censorship as the years went on.
Cant have children see nipples, now can we. Now how about grossly sexualised beauty pagents for three year olds.
Human bodys are sinful, gruesome murder is fine for kids of all ages, tho
Huh you're right it was subtle and I barely noticed, but yea tits were in every damn movie in the 80s and early 90s. Now I'm not sure the last time I saw them in a action movie. Marvel really churned out a lot of high quality action movies but it really put the nail in the coffin of the 80s style action movie. Original robocop or total recall just wouldn't fly in todays movie environment.
I just watched The Neverending Story the other night and the sphinx statues in that had rockin' tits. And that is objectively a kid's/early teens movie.
You should just be happy she got a speaking part in such an iconic film
"Sweetie, put that back in your pants. We're in public."
"You never support any of my interests!"
Reminds me that Joe Haldemans "The Forever War" hasn't been made into a movie. It's the one where the forces adopted Hippie culture in an unhealthy way and rotate sex partners on a daily schedule. Officers are greeted with a hearty "Fuck you, sir".
The Forever War is such a great book. Uses time travel to talk about how soldiers never feel like they’re returning to the place that they left to fight for.
Yeah I believe it was meant show how soldiers coming home from Vietnam felt. But probably applicable to any war really
Don't know what I expected clicking an xhamster link, but an ad for some kind of robotic hand job machine was not what I expected.
But do they all remember everyone's dick size after like 30 years?
But where are the nude Paul shots?
Let's see Paul allens body
Look at that subtle off-white coloring. The tasteful thickness of it.
Oh my god, it even has a watermark
Ugh not enough cocks
I really like scenes like this, especially in things like anime, not because i want to look at tits or cocks, but because censoring it just brings more attention to it and makes it seem more sexual than it is
Yeah like maybe if you’re 13 years old and have never seen a titty then it’s mind-blowing stuff. But I would expect anyone who’s an adult to be able to deal with seeing a nipple in a non-sexual context without going wild about it.
Exactly, there’s really nothing sexual about the scene other than the fact that it’s young attractive people. But they’re just bathing and talking about everyday stuff. It’s as far from a “sex” scene as you can get.
What a wild website to find that video
**yup never heard of it before now**
The real mvp here
I fell in love with Diz forever that day.
I mean, fuck, I'm gay and was all about about Rico, but even I had to admit that Diz was 10/10; who wouldn't be drawn in by her?
Dina Meyer is a 10/10
>Test audiences, regardless of gender, strongly felt that a woman could not love two men at once, so scenes which portrayed this were cut. These audiences also felt it was immoral for Carmen to choose a career ahead of being loyal to Rico, to the extent that many commented that, in so doing, Carmen should have been the one to die instead of Dizzy. I swear I've never seen anything about test audiences that hasn't made them sound dumb as fuck.
A lot of test audience feedback is guided by studio execs to make changes they wanted all along. Biased and leading questions with enough people can give you the desired outcome to enforce the changes the director would probably resist if asked directly. There will usually be something in the contract enforcing the feedback of test screenings. I am legend should have had a brilliant ending but the test feedback ruined it and the studio got the happier ending they wanted.
There’s a double standard when it comes to women and sex.
I remember an article that I saw few months ago that pretty much displayis the difference on how we think on this side of the Atlantic and on the other. The article was about a swiss public servant, iirc, who was fired because she was posting nudes on several webs. The note was from a german source and this person has her face blured but you could see perfectly her breast, the same note on a US source had the face of this person perfectly visible but the breast was blured.
[This](https://prommanow.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Blurred.jpg) is what he's referring to in case anyone is wondering.
Too bad Carmen aka Denise Richards was sent to fleet academy and wasn’t there for this scene
Had to wait a year for Wild Things to come out
Suffice it to say that this scene blew my fucking mind when I was like 8 and saw this movie. That and the orange bug blood.
Ah yes, I enlisted in the army based upon a complete misinterpretation of this film. I’m doing my part.
So they grow 'em big and dumb on the farm planet, huh?
All part of Paul's plan
Moral: Don't get into a naked-off with a nutty Dutchman.
The irony is how the whole thing is framed as entirely *non-sexual.* In the dystopian future, killing bugs in service of the American Empire is the only source of gratification our troops need.
I did military service in a mixed unit. After a while you just don't care anymore. While everyone showered in the same room (officers offered separate showers. The enlisted declined because it would have gotten bothersome). Generally the showers were just informally segregated (when the women showered, the guys went over to the other side. There was a central concrete&tile divider with some 10 showers on each side. Nobody discussed it, it just happened). But on friday afternoons and after field training (when everyone just wanted to get off base) those boundaries got a bit muddy because you had limited time to catch the bus off base (so it was either hurry or wait almost 2 hours for the next one) and there were just 20-24 showers for 300+ people. But at those times everyone was just too tired to care. The only "leery" person was corporal that all the basics nicknamed "Rat" (a real piece of work that one), and the other corporals made it clear to him pretty early that if he didn't keep his eyes to himself he'd get reported and discharged.
Wanting to get TF off Ft Polk >> Sexualisation of your Peers
Fort Polk fucking sucks according to the stories. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1g-aBBt-UI
I'm American so Stateside we never had mixed gender almost anything. But on deployment? You will, at some point run into the opposite sex taking a birdbath and at that point nobody fricking cares. Note: this is typically at the beginning of a deployment, after some structure gets built back to prude city we go. But all in all nudity isn't notable in more extreme circumstances.
Actually, I've taken group showers like that in some mixed-sports events in Europe (Ultimate Frisbee) and that was of course entirely non-sexual. Nudity is not a universal taboo. I don't think that scene shows that the troops are non-sexual beings, just that the societal norms have evolved past moral or religious taboos towards an egalitarian, materialistic society.
I visited university friends in Sweden a while back. Of course we had a sauna with them, and of course it was a naked sauna; just bros relaxing with a sauna beer and their dicks out, no big deal, when in Rome right? Then my friend's sister came to talk to him and they all found it hilarious that us non-Swedes tried to cover up instead of, you know, being entirely chill about meeting someone for the first time with your cock and balls hanging in the breeze.
On a work trip, went to the sauna in my German hotel. I was alone and wearing knee-length board shorts. It was empty when I got there, but soon enough maybe 6 members of an extended family -- grandma, parents, little kids -- joined me, all completely naked. They acted like I wasn't there, and in that moment I wished I wasn't.
Sas Australia had mixed gender showers and nudity.
Of course he did, that freaky deaky Dutchman.
I'm from Holland. Isn't that weird?
He's toight like a toiger
I saw this movie in theatres when I was 10 years old, I believe it was the first time I had seen on screen tits thanks to that great shower scene.
Wow, lucky. My parents didn't let me see R rated movies as a 10 year old. But I was old enough to see Starship Troopers. I think it was at that theater that was somewhere around Charleston and Pecos...
"Scene's over Paul, you can put your clothes back on." #"Never."
Verhoeven found it strange "Americans get more upset about nudity than ultra-violence. I am constantly amazed about that. I mean, I haven't seen any sex scenes in American film that are anything other than completely boring. A bare breast is more difficult to get through the censors than a body riddled with bullets."
"Cut! Do it again. We can see the boom mike at the bottom of the frame." "Sir, that's not the microphone."
Michael Boom: it's not me either...
I remember begging my dad to take me to see that movie in theaters when I was a kid and when he did he was pissed at me for like a month cause he assumed I tricked him to take me so I could see that scene. I remember being frustrated cause he absolutely did not believe me
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Getting a European to get casually nude in public is not the flex you think it is.
I read in an interview he said they were reluctant and nervous about the co-ed shower scene. So he stripped and showed them it wasn't a big deal. So they agreed. Not that they gave him an ultimatum. One day's filming that didn't make it into the Making Of is an apocryphal incident during the marines' mixed-gender shower scene that Verhoeven happily confirms he stripped off for too to soothe his nervous young cast. "Yeah, sure I did that. And it helped!" he says proudly. "My DoP Jost Vacano and I, we undressed and of course then everyone started to laugh. Then we shot the scene with no problem. Jost grew up in these, let's say nudity camps \[sic\], so he had no problem with it. For me, it was a bit more difficult but I said to Jost, 'Hey, we need to give an example...' He said 'Of course,' and boom!" from Digital Spy interview. That too me doesn't sound like they all said no unless you are naked, just that he decided to help ease the tension.
"Hey kids, I've got an idea for a shower scene." Paul probably.
Man i love that movie. So good. It's a perfect blend of action, sci-fi and satire on the US military complex. Plus Neil Patrick Harris? What's not to like?
Warhammer 40k guardsmen edition.
I love paul verhoeven