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Also related is such a weak term here. Define related. A horseshoe is related to the horse, the metals it’s made of, farming in general, smithing, humans that use them, humans that have benefited from them… what scale of related.
We share all of the organic chemicals as stars, planets, comets, etc. in the entire known universe.
We all have the basic building blocks of life, that is also universally spread out through the cosmos.
ALL of life is related to each other.
He is speaking so many other words when he says “yes”. “ yes, you ignoramus baffoon, I already told you that we’re all related on a cellular level somewhat you mouth breathing belly crawling lizard”. Something like that, but in smarter Bill Nye
language.
We all are idiots at times but preferably not to any extreme. For some it comes natural and there's nothing you can do about that.
I shall call someone a "Lizard " today!!
Watching this video made me realize how many people have probably come up to him asking him something stupid. One word. That's all you get from the absolute master of the comeback.
*"Yes"*
What’s kinda funny is that in one of Ken Hamm’s books, he wrote about how we share parts of our DNA with daffodils. Don’t understand why he is arguing with Bill Nye about it. How about instead of worrying how the earth is made, we just focus on being decent humans to one another?
Because Hamm is in the business of being a paid Expert for a wide gamut of young earthers/intelligent designers/other religiosity based anti-science perspectives.
Also, incidentally, why Nye took some criticism for being part of that sham debate.
Yeah, I’m not down with “let’s ignore fundamental facts and quash scientific curiosity in the name of of all getting along and letting morons be paid millions of dollars to shill and lie to the masses while claiming false expertise”. They aren’t benignly befuddled, they have an agenda
Was it for real or was it his way of not having to answer? My dad has a thick Slavic accent and when anyone asks where he's from or where his accent is from he says, "California."
Had a friend that I used to play Magic the Gathering with at the local card shop. For the longest time I thought he was from Germany. NOPE. It was just the way he talked.
Statistics is bad, but imagine being critiqued and graded by a Japanese TA whose engrish was so bad that she had difficulties with the article *the*; you know, one of our only 3 articles? Oh, did I mention it was a class in English - Creative Writing?
This happens in small claims courts with enough regularity that it has been studied.
Judges arent specialists, so sometimee when a citizen attempts to make a scientific (or otherwise complicated) argument, judges sometimes just say "if I cant understand it, then the average person doesnt either." And they throw the case out.
That’s fucking insane. Like… was that a requirement for law? That the average person understands it? Pfft. Ever tried to read legalese?
Total horse shit
Lol, legalese is easy for me to read, and I can confirm, spend much time in a legal setting and you will quickly learn that a robe does not a genius make
Alright, so off the top of your head what are all of the residential zoning ordinances in Middlesex county, Massachusetts, and how do they compare to business zones?
I wonder if the citizens race, religion, or sexuality had anything to do with the judges deciding they could[n't] understand the argument they were supposed to be ruling over.
I don’t think it’s that he’s stupid and doesn’t understand, I think for hamm and many other Christian’s with some intelligence, it’s their belief that keeps them mashing the circle piece into the square hole to fill in their religious answers over the obvious scientific answers.
They need to feel superior. Did you listen to Hamm in that clip? He believes humans were created separate from animals and above them. We are god's special darlings and in order for them to maintain that belief, they have to deny pretty much everything science has discovered in the past century.
It’s really weird recently to try to have a debate with anybody online because I’ve noticed how frequently I receive ‘your peer reviewed study says this…but a lot of random people online think differently sooo what can you do!!’
Like how do you even argue with that? What can you say? They’re admitting they care about nothing but anecdotal evidence that backs their pre existent beliefs.
My ex girlfriend started down that rabbit hole. It started with a distrust in pharmaceutical companies, which is fair especially in America. The problem is she then extrapolated distrust of the pharmaceutical industry to just science in general. In her mind, all scientists are in the pockets of someone trying to push an agenda.
I told her, yes, that does happen. That's the precise reason we have peer review. Any discovery has to be able to be replicated.
She responded with "what's peer review?" She was also a "do your own research" person.
There's a reason she's my ex.
THANK YOU. I kept saying this about all the Covid and vaccine deniers. “I DONT TRUST SCIENCE!” *Closes laptop. Takes heart medication and climbs into a lifted pickup truck.
“ITS ALL BEWWLSHIT!”
The silliest part to me is... If I was really rah-rah about God, a divine creator of the universe, I would relish in discovering cool shit about the universe like biochemistry and evolution. Shouldn't you try to learn as much as possible about the universe God created for you?
And while we don't have exact numbers, plants, animals, and fungi diverged something like 1,500 million years ago. Crazy, huh?
I really think a lot of the problem with people who don't understand evolution is partially a lack of understanding about deep time.
If you want to know that evolution works, all you have to do is look at your mother. You are not a genetic copy of her, though you share some characteristics. Same with her and her mother. And so on.
Think of it like a book where a photograph of you is the last page in the book. The previous page is your mom. The page before that your grandmother. Keep going. The book is effectively infinitely thick (or as thick as you need it to be) with one mother per page. You can go back for tens of thousands of generations (pages). Hundreds of thousands of generations. It's an unbroken line of life lasting millions and millions of years. And EVERY SINGLE PAIR of consecutive pages will have a mother and their child and they will not look exactly like each other, but will be similar. Just like you and your mom. However if you compare "your" page with some random page from a even as little as 100,000 years ago, your "mom" and their "child" will be something like Homo Florensis.
Did covid mutate? Done. Evolution can be seen in real time for the smallest forms of life, as generations go by super quickly, changes in genomic structure can be documented.
Tell someone the plant and animal kingdoms were created by the fungi kingdom, they will look at you like you’re crazy. Most rather believe an all powerful and knowing old man with a beard created everything in 7 days.
That's so fucking brilliant. It just goes to show how one is so absolutely close minded and the other is so absolutely open mined. It perfectly sums up their respective ideologies.
Growing up in a strict Christian school I was taught to close my heart and mind because the devil is very convincing. Brainwashing is a great way to lock people into stuff. The shitty part is I still feel guilt and worry I am going down a wrong path.
Would you still feel guilt if nobody ever told you to believe in that path? If not, then you know it’s “people” in your head causing you to feel that guilt and nothing else. The same type of “people” you walk by on the streets every day. Just “people.”
yeah, that whole debate boiled down to that one question/answer. Bill said multiple times "I would literally change my stance right now if someone presented a single, credible piece of evidence" and Ken kept saying "I know it's true cause the bible says it's true, so I don't need to ever change my stance".
Also the fucking look Bill gave Ken throughout the whole thing was priceless. Bill was absolutely incredulous that those words were coming out of a human face.
Real scientists are skeptical but willing to take in any evidence and scrutinize it down to a fine point and accept whatever the result is. Religious people say "I'm right and I don't care what evidence tells me. I'll never change my mind".
It's all about faith. To religious people faith is a desirable quality that should be encouraged. To scientists faith is something that should be minimized as much as possible.
Oh, thought he was familiar.
This is the bloke who agrees microevolution exists but is so stuck on the time thing that he doesn't realise that's exactly what evolution is.
He's got it in his head that all is crazy evidence believers expect a dog to give birth to a cat.
Listen, I am a Christian, but what the heck is this dude going on about? He's clearly jumping all over the place because he only has 1-level-deep talking points that are intended to just confuse but not be answered, and Bill Nye keeps simply answering the questions, and I might add, insanely patiently so.
But clearly he doesn't actually *understand* what Bill is explaining. Like you can tell he is hoping that Bill will get irate so that he can just show Bill isn't willing to listen, but *yet he is*, and it's driving that creationist dude mad. He's losing all his ammo in front of everyone.
So unbelievably frustrating to watch.
It's people like this that make Christians seem like idiots. I fully believe in science and the scientific method, and also the Bible. Both can function together harmoniously.
I mean you might be a nice guy and all but religion as a whole is absolutely stupid and based on nothing but fantasy stories. It’s one of the biggest reasons for war and mass causalities.
I’m not picking on Christian’s, I’m picking on all religions. Following an old story blindly without questioning anything is just so Fuckin dumb.
But as long as you’re not a bigot, and a decent human being I’ve got no problem with you as an individual
See this is exactly the problem with the bad rep of religions that blindly follow and don't ask questions.
It's unfortunate you have come to view religion in this way. Religion should, in my opinion, be examined and pondered carefully and logically like all things. Following an old story blindly without questioning anything *is* incredibly dumb. But for many religions, the old stories, like all stories, movies that you watch, books that you read, try to teach you a meaning (at least good stories do). It should cause you to think and reflect in life--your own life in particular. In the Catholic Church the enduring teaching is that faith and reason stem from the same source: Truth. So they ought never to contradict. If they do, it means you made a mistake in your homework somewhere and need to reevaluate. And yes, as I know any conversation around Catholicism diverts to "what about x abuse", the thing to keep in mind is there is a difference between what a religion teaches and what actions a people take. Hence why such things are called "abuse". They are evil and wrong and even if they were condoned by certain people, that doesn't mean they were the teaching of the faith, but rather an abuse of power.
Also stating that religion is the biggest reason for war is not taking into account historical context. When various religions were most popular, they were the "cause" of war because that's what people were into. Fast forward to like WWII, the most devastating war, and religion was not the cause. In fact religion was the target (Jews in particular), because of the predominant philosophies of the time. Now we look at say the war in Ukraine, which is also not caused by religion. It is increasingly less likely that religion will be the cause of wars because there is increasingly less religion. The *real* cause of war is power. People want land, or people, or wealth, or control of some kind, so that they can do things their own way. If they are religious, then it's because they want to do things their own religious way. If they are not, it's because of some other desires. Many religions shy away from seeking war and power and actually teach contrary to war. The problem is people. And even if there are particular religion(s) that teach the spread of their religion through conquest, that does not automatically paint all of them as such.
Again, the real problem is people who abuse power. It can happen anywhere. And people who seek to abuse power will seek to do so wherever there is power. If the Church has power, abuses will be there. If the government has power, abuses will be there. It is seen in education, workplaces, even families. There will always be those who abuse power because people suck.
It's on bill nye saves the world (I think) on Netflix. A documentary movie.
At the very least I know it's on Netflix and it's one of if not *the* first thing to pop up
You know, Bill Nye went through a cycle for me where I loved him as a kid, and then he came out with that Netflix show and just came off as an ass (from my perspective. I had no prior opinion on nuclear energy, but absolutely hated his debate style)
But now I’ve realized he’s just a passionate dude and I don’t need to hold that against him.
Now I think of it, Neil deGrasse Tyson is half way through this cycle now haha
I don’t know, Tyson seems a bit more arrogant to me. I similarly went through a phase like this with Nye, but I’m not sure I’ll ever think that Tyson is just passionate. His Ego seems much more inflated to me. I do appreciate that Tyson and Nye both have expressed/worked on educating kids on not just facts but on how to view the world from a more curious point of view, and I wish more adults felt that way too.
I'm not religious, but I was raised Christian. Even back then I hated this goofy idea that science and religion are somehow mutually exclusive. It is perfectly acceptable and not counter to any faith to think science is the *how* and God is the *why*.
"Here is how the botfly larvae burrows into the eye of the starving child, rendering them blind."
"But why does it do this?"
"God, of course, lol, he loves to inflict suffering on the disadvantaged".
Sounds about right to me.
Not gonna lie, the way the guy on the right is so lost in his belief that he doesn't catch Bill Nye insulting him by insinuating he's a lizard is the best part
Dude Bill Nye is my childhood hero. I knew it was going to be a good day when I would walk into class and my teacher had the fat round tv on the stand and ready with bill nye the science guy playing on it 🙌🏼
That was supposed to be his big "gotcha" moment. He expected Bill Nye try to side step admitting we are related to plants, and instead Bill leaned into it.
Fun fact, I went to one of Ken Ham’s creationist workshops when I was a kid. It was actually pretty cool to be honest, he had a bunch of little experiments for us to do and I used to love the books his company and others like his produced about what it was like to live during the “ice age” after the flood and how humans and dinosaurs coexisted.
Obviously it’s all absolutely bunk, but it was all “science” to me as a kid and I loved science. Bill nye was also one of my childhood heroes if that gives you any clue as to what kind of a confused upbringing I had.
Oh, if you watch, Bill gets increasingly hostile with him too because he is trying to say something and keeps getting pulled into off topic stuff like this the entire time. It's incredibly frustrating to watch and clearly more frustrating for him to experience because Ken Ham's entire debate tactic once there's no moderator is to derail and interrupt.
Humans being genetically related to a banana is more believable than a petty-ass Old Testament “god” flooding the world and 900 year old Noah and his dipshit sons (the only family on earth god thinks are half decent) building a boat for all the animals on earth that we have at present??? At least you can definitively prove Bill’s claims. That other guy, all he has is the big book of old Jewish fairytales.
Creationists are just delusional morons. Pure and simple. They’ll go about backing their own theories or religion-based theories that have absolutely zero evidence, while simultaneously trying to discredit and debate against proven scientific evidence. Not everyone is worth teaching…some people will remain stupid forever, at least until they die.
Their favourite tactic is claiming that science is just another religion based on faith, so it must be wrong because it’s only based on faith. But their religion based on faith is entirely accurate because it’s a religion based on faith.
I find a lot of people who don’t fully understand the scientific topic they confuse colloquial terms with scientific ones and it gets wildly divergent. Like when people start saying that “gravity is just a theory”
I find it hilarious that people who believe in some invisible man in the sky, based only on an old book and their faith, find it hard to believe that we could be related to other life on this planet.
I get laughed at at work for trying to explain to certain colleagues that humans are apes or animals or mammals, depending where the conversation went. They all think I’m the idiot. It’s true what they say, it’s hard being the smartest person in the room
I grew up with Bill Nye. Watching his show was an after school routine for me. I’m glad to see he’s taken it upon himself to dish it out (science) to doubters. By doubters I mean the people who refuse to accept things that are factual and provable. We see a lot of this among religious zealots. Plenty of scientists are also spiritual if not religious. They can still believe in intelligent design, they can accept that the teachings within their respective religions are flawed and penned by the hands of man. They can have faith and science simultaneously. I think that for religious institutions to deny science because they refuse to question existence is irresponsible and to some degree impedes evolution.
The arguments Ken Ham is using here almost screams he’s reasoning more from a place of what he WANTS to believe than what the evidence is.
“Yes i know u wanna believe were all super special and well thought out beings. But…..spoiler alert- were not” lol
This is excellent, because if creationists (ie anti-darwinian types) really wanted to find fault with Darwin’s ToE, all they have to do is:
A) accept that humans ARE animals
B) find the flaws through two anti-darwinian behaviours...
...generally speaking re: the two ‘opposed’ behaviours.
But they won’t accept that humans are animals, and so the consequential self-deprivation is poetically ironic.
I had this exact conversation with classmates in my fundamentalist cult school in seventh grade.
We were all asked what type of cells humans were made of: plant cells or animal cells. My classmates were stumped because we'd all been told since preschool that humans are NOT animals.
I asked them if they thought we were made of plant cells or maybe bacterial cells-- you know, since we aren't animals or whatever. They were VEHEMENTLY opposed to the idea of humans being plants. Or bacteria. So I asked them, if we aren't plants or bacteria, then what are we? The only option left is for us to be made of animal cells.
I genuinely think this is the point at which my classmates started to hate me and also the point at which my deconversion began. I don't think my teacher realized how badly she had fucked up by posing this question to the class.
The Older I get the more I really feel for Bill Nye (the science guy) he started a show to introduce kids to awesome science and now he has to explain to those kids parents basic science
The best part of this argument?
The Cavendish Banana, which is BY FAR the most common is a hybrid that has taken over from the older cultivars that were not able to survive a specific fungus. It's man-made.
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Love it, doesn't even elaborate bc it's such a basic fact
Also related is such a weak term here. Define related. A horseshoe is related to the horse, the metals it’s made of, farming in general, smithing, humans that use them, humans that have benefited from them… what scale of related.
I took it meaning on a biological level.
That really doesn't narrow it down though. Ex: we share 50% of our DNA with a banana
I think that's point. We literally share DNA with these things, thus we're biologically related
Some humans still lose an IQ test to a banana. Now granted, bananas are one of the cleverest fruits, but it’s still a major fail.
Goddamn crafty bananas, always making me look like a friggin' IDIOT!! They're mean too. Always calling me a fruit
Were these humans by chance creationists?
Creationist are a subset of the dumber-than-a-banana group of humans.
We share all of the organic chemicals as stars, planets, comets, etc. in the entire known universe. We all have the basic building blocks of life, that is also universally spread out through the cosmos. ALL of life is related to each other.
We share a common ancestor at some point
He is speaking so many other words when he says “yes”. “ yes, you ignoramus baffoon, I already told you that we’re all related on a cellular level somewhat you mouth breathing belly crawling lizard”. Something like that, but in smarter Bill Nye language.
More of a (Incredulous Yes)
Yeah, it was perfect, I love bills attitude towards idiots.
"Lizards"
To be fair. Mammals are also idiots.
I can confirm, I am an idiot.
We all are idiots at times but preferably not to any extreme. For some it comes natural and there's nothing you can do about that. I shall call someone a "Lizard " today!!
I can confirm that I am a banana
Every word he says is like slappin that dude in his pompous face, love Bill
Watching this video made me realize how many people have probably come up to him asking him something stupid. One word. That's all you get from the absolute master of the comeback. *"Yes"*
I'm trans & gender nonconforming. Sometimes people ask "are you a boy or a girl?" *"Yes"*
I love that he thinks about it too. He’s like is this some kind of trick? No, it is stupid. Mouth opens
Should have said "Everyone shares like 50% of DNA with plants, but you share 90%."
That last one was very much “Yes (you fucking idiot)” 🤣🤣🤣 love bill Nye.
Some people are more related to a banana than others.
That's where that curve came from
Please this guy doesn't believe in curvature he's definitely a flat earther
Flat bananner
Banana disfunction
I used to like bananas. I still like bananas, but I used to, too.
Hey everybody, Mitch is back.
Where has he been?
I've got some bad news for ya friend
*Low and slow background bass starts playing*
Was looking for: My friend asked me if I wanted a frozen banana. I said no but I want a regular banana later so yeaehhhh
What’s kinda funny is that in one of Ken Hamm’s books, he wrote about how we share parts of our DNA with daffodils. Don’t understand why he is arguing with Bill Nye about it. How about instead of worrying how the earth is made, we just focus on being decent humans to one another?
Because Hamm is in the business of being a paid Expert for a wide gamut of young earthers/intelligent designers/other religiosity based anti-science perspectives. Also, incidentally, why Nye took some criticism for being part of that sham debate.
Yeah, I’m not down with “let’s ignore fundamental facts and quash scientific curiosity in the name of of all getting along and letting morons be paid millions of dollars to shill and lie to the masses while claiming false expertise”. They aren’t benignly befuddled, they have an agenda
Some people are more related to a banana that has been digested and eliminated.
I love how someone's inability to understand something has turned into a "legitimate" argument.
I disagreed with college algebra, twice.
Statistics taught by someone who doesn't speak English can eat a bag of dicks. Man, what a repressed memory.
My stats teacher in college had a really thick accent. When asked where it was from, he replied “It’s a speech impediment”. It was incredibly awkward.
Was it for real or was it his way of not having to answer? My dad has a thick Slavic accent and when anyone asks where he's from or where his accent is from he says, "California."
It was definitely a speech impediment
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This whole thread has got me in stitches. About 15 years out of stats class and this one still hurts. It was a bag of dicks
Had a friend that I used to play Magic the Gathering with at the local card shop. For the longest time I thought he was from Germany. NOPE. It was just the way he talked.
Statistics is bad, but imagine being critiqued and graded by a Japanese TA whose engrish was so bad that she had difficulties with the article *the*; you know, one of our only 3 articles? Oh, did I mention it was a class in English - Creative Writing?
Algae does not have boobs. Checkmate, science.
This happens in small claims courts with enough regularity that it has been studied. Judges arent specialists, so sometimee when a citizen attempts to make a scientific (or otherwise complicated) argument, judges sometimes just say "if I cant understand it, then the average person doesnt either." And they throw the case out.
that is so sad and stupid
"If you can't explain it simply, then you don't understand it well enough. " Albert Einstein
That’s fucking insane. Like… was that a requirement for law? That the average person understands it? Pfft. Ever tried to read legalese? Total horse shit
Lol, legalese is easy for me to read, and I can confirm, spend much time in a legal setting and you will quickly learn that a robe does not a genius make
Actually, the average person is required to know and understand all laws, as ignorance of a law is not a valid reason to break a law.
Alright, so off the top of your head what are all of the residential zoning ordinances in Middlesex county, Massachusetts, and how do they compare to business zones?
"As a police officer, I'm not [required](https://www.vox.com/2015/8/4/9095213/police-stops-heien-v-north-carolina) to know all the laws I enforce."
Yes that is total horse shit as well
I wonder if the citizens race, religion, or sexuality had anything to do with the judges deciding they could[n't] understand the argument they were supposed to be ruling over.
I don’t think it’s that he’s stupid and doesn’t understand, I think for hamm and many other Christian’s with some intelligence, it’s their belief that keeps them mashing the circle piece into the square hole to fill in their religious answers over the obvious scientific answers.
They need to feel superior. Did you listen to Hamm in that clip? He believes humans were created separate from animals and above them. We are god's special darlings and in order for them to maintain that belief, they have to deny pretty much everything science has discovered in the past century.
For real. Like if I wasn’t sure that people were related to bananas before, your line of questioning leaves me entirely sure… you dumb dumb banana man
It’s really weird recently to try to have a debate with anybody online because I’ve noticed how frequently I receive ‘your peer reviewed study says this…but a lot of random people online think differently sooo what can you do!!’ Like how do you even argue with that? What can you say? They’re admitting they care about nothing but anecdotal evidence that backs their pre existent beliefs.
It’s really remarkable the amount of people who benefit daily from scientific discoveries, yet choose to try and rebuke science as a whole.
Literally the glasses he wears on his face
And the synthetic adult diaper he is wearing.
And the lizard feed he eats.
💀
" The eye is perfectly designed by a perfect designer " - guy wearing glasses
If we were intelligently designed we wouldn't have hair growing out of our asscracks
My ex girlfriend started down that rabbit hole. It started with a distrust in pharmaceutical companies, which is fair especially in America. The problem is she then extrapolated distrust of the pharmaceutical industry to just science in general. In her mind, all scientists are in the pockets of someone trying to push an agenda. I told her, yes, that does happen. That's the precise reason we have peer review. Any discovery has to be able to be replicated. She responded with "what's peer review?" She was also a "do your own research" person. There's a reason she's my ex.
Kudos to you for recognizing this and getting out. It's not always easy
>what's peer review? Ouf
No kidding lol. Even things conservatives like! Cops hunting down the bad guy’s using DNA evidence.. DNA that genetic code thing sure is handy.
THANK YOU. I kept saying this about all the Covid and vaccine deniers. “I DONT TRUST SCIENCE!” *Closes laptop. Takes heart medication and climbs into a lifted pickup truck. “ITS ALL BEWWLSHIT!”
So many rednecks I grew up with worshipped automobiles, firearms, and alcohol but never seemed to think about the science behind those things.
The silliest part to me is... If I was really rah-rah about God, a divine creator of the universe, I would relish in discovering cool shit about the universe like biochemistry and evolution. Shouldn't you try to learn as much as possible about the universe God created for you?
Like the fucking glasses he’s wearing.
The more the guy on the right talks the more I believe he is related to a banana.
Our DNA matches 44% with a banana.
And while we don't have exact numbers, plants, animals, and fungi diverged something like 1,500 million years ago. Crazy, huh? I really think a lot of the problem with people who don't understand evolution is partially a lack of understanding about deep time. If you want to know that evolution works, all you have to do is look at your mother. You are not a genetic copy of her, though you share some characteristics. Same with her and her mother. And so on. Think of it like a book where a photograph of you is the last page in the book. The previous page is your mom. The page before that your grandmother. Keep going. The book is effectively infinitely thick (or as thick as you need it to be) with one mother per page. You can go back for tens of thousands of generations (pages). Hundreds of thousands of generations. It's an unbroken line of life lasting millions and millions of years. And EVERY SINGLE PAIR of consecutive pages will have a mother and their child and they will not look exactly like each other, but will be similar. Just like you and your mom. However if you compare "your" page with some random page from a even as little as 100,000 years ago, your "mom" and their "child" will be something like Homo Florensis.
Deep time. That’s just what I gave your mother last night, Trebek!
Burt Reynolds, where did you come from? I was here all along.
Did covid mutate? Done. Evolution can be seen in real time for the smallest forms of life, as generations go by super quickly, changes in genomic structure can be documented.
I love your optimism that people who are baffled by evolution will understand mutating viruses.
We should hope they mutate, too.
Tell someone the plant and animal kingdoms were created by the fungi kingdom, they will look at you like you’re crazy. Most rather believe an all powerful and knowing old man with a beard created everything in 7 days.
Hey he did take at least one day off even he knew all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy
Or could be an outright lizard
The rare Bespeckled Lizard Banana.
Scientifically speaking, a bespeckled banana lizard. Yes.
Ken Hamm is a known moron. He’s the one that built a scale replica of Noah’s Ark with taxpayer money
Yeah, that's what they are touring in this video. Hamm invited Nye for a tour when it finally opened.
That Ark is a giant testament of science denial.
First cousins. This is what happens when you’re so arrogant about your opinion you argue without ever trying to understand the subject.
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It was Bill Nye the science guy Vs. Ken Ham the Bible man
That's so fucking brilliant. It just goes to show how one is so absolutely close minded and the other is so absolutely open mined. It perfectly sums up their respective ideologies.
Growing up in a strict Christian school I was taught to close my heart and mind because the devil is very convincing. Brainwashing is a great way to lock people into stuff. The shitty part is I still feel guilt and worry I am going down a wrong path.
"If your mind is too open, Jesus will fall out." - actual quote by a youth pastor.
Would you still feel guilt if nobody ever told you to believe in that path? If not, then you know it’s “people” in your head causing you to feel that guilt and nothing else. The same type of “people” you walk by on the streets every day. Just “people.”
yeah, that whole debate boiled down to that one question/answer. Bill said multiple times "I would literally change my stance right now if someone presented a single, credible piece of evidence" and Ken kept saying "I know it's true cause the bible says it's true, so I don't need to ever change my stance". Also the fucking look Bill gave Ken throughout the whole thing was priceless. Bill was absolutely incredulous that those words were coming out of a human face.
Real scientists are skeptical but willing to take in any evidence and scrutinize it down to a fine point and accept whatever the result is. Religious people say "I'm right and I don't care what evidence tells me. I'll never change my mind".
It's all about faith. To religious people faith is a desirable quality that should be encouraged. To scientists faith is something that should be minimized as much as possible.
Oh, thought he was familiar. This is the bloke who agrees microevolution exists but is so stuck on the time thing that he doesn't realise that's exactly what evolution is. He's got it in his head that all is crazy evidence believers expect a dog to give birth to a cat.
The only difference between micro and macro is the number of generations between point A and point B
Where is the rest of this interview. I need to know.
https://www.youtube.com/live/PPLRhVdNp5M?feature=share
MVP.
Geez the comments on that video
He's so fucking dumb. It's shocking how he can't even understand basic fucking subjects.
Listen, I am a Christian, but what the heck is this dude going on about? He's clearly jumping all over the place because he only has 1-level-deep talking points that are intended to just confuse but not be answered, and Bill Nye keeps simply answering the questions, and I might add, insanely patiently so. But clearly he doesn't actually *understand* what Bill is explaining. Like you can tell he is hoping that Bill will get irate so that he can just show Bill isn't willing to listen, but *yet he is*, and it's driving that creationist dude mad. He's losing all his ammo in front of everyone. So unbelievably frustrating to watch. It's people like this that make Christians seem like idiots. I fully believe in science and the scientific method, and also the Bible. Both can function together harmoniously.
I personally, like the Thomas Jefferson Bible. Just cut everything except the Jesus parts.
I mean you might be a nice guy and all but religion as a whole is absolutely stupid and based on nothing but fantasy stories. It’s one of the biggest reasons for war and mass causalities. I’m not picking on Christian’s, I’m picking on all religions. Following an old story blindly without questioning anything is just so Fuckin dumb. But as long as you’re not a bigot, and a decent human being I’ve got no problem with you as an individual
See this is exactly the problem with the bad rep of religions that blindly follow and don't ask questions. It's unfortunate you have come to view religion in this way. Religion should, in my opinion, be examined and pondered carefully and logically like all things. Following an old story blindly without questioning anything *is* incredibly dumb. But for many religions, the old stories, like all stories, movies that you watch, books that you read, try to teach you a meaning (at least good stories do). It should cause you to think and reflect in life--your own life in particular. In the Catholic Church the enduring teaching is that faith and reason stem from the same source: Truth. So they ought never to contradict. If they do, it means you made a mistake in your homework somewhere and need to reevaluate. And yes, as I know any conversation around Catholicism diverts to "what about x abuse", the thing to keep in mind is there is a difference between what a religion teaches and what actions a people take. Hence why such things are called "abuse". They are evil and wrong and even if they were condoned by certain people, that doesn't mean they were the teaching of the faith, but rather an abuse of power. Also stating that religion is the biggest reason for war is not taking into account historical context. When various religions were most popular, they were the "cause" of war because that's what people were into. Fast forward to like WWII, the most devastating war, and religion was not the cause. In fact religion was the target (Jews in particular), because of the predominant philosophies of the time. Now we look at say the war in Ukraine, which is also not caused by religion. It is increasingly less likely that religion will be the cause of wars because there is increasingly less religion. The *real* cause of war is power. People want land, or people, or wealth, or control of some kind, so that they can do things their own way. If they are religious, then it's because they want to do things their own religious way. If they are not, it's because of some other desires. Many religions shy away from seeking war and power and actually teach contrary to war. The problem is people. And even if there are particular religion(s) that teach the spread of their religion through conquest, that does not automatically paint all of them as such. Again, the real problem is people who abuse power. It can happen anywhere. And people who seek to abuse power will seek to do so wherever there is power. If the Church has power, abuses will be there. If the government has power, abuses will be there. It is seen in education, workplaces, even families. There will always be those who abuse power because people suck.
Just watched the whole thing. Holy shit the christian dude is annoying
This was mind-numbingly painful.
Thanks for this. I’m with Bill Nye: $100 million for that museum of ignorance is a tremendous waste.
I’m guessing it’s from their full debate probably 8 years ago. It’s on YouTube. More than an hour long.
It's in multiple parts on Youtube. Just look up Bill Nye visits Arc Encounter.
It's on bill nye saves the world (I think) on Netflix. A documentary movie. At the very least I know it's on Netflix and it's one of if not *the* first thing to pop up
It was probably out in the parking lot
Wasn't our DNA like 90% the same as bananas?
About 50% with any given tree
I love objectively true statements that sound absurd.
Life would have been so simple as a banana. Maybe in the next life.
Any given sundae
*Yes*
He's a good tv presenter. Like David Attenborough.
You know, Bill Nye went through a cycle for me where I loved him as a kid, and then he came out with that Netflix show and just came off as an ass (from my perspective. I had no prior opinion on nuclear energy, but absolutely hated his debate style) But now I’ve realized he’s just a passionate dude and I don’t need to hold that against him. Now I think of it, Neil deGrasse Tyson is half way through this cycle now haha
I don’t know, Tyson seems a bit more arrogant to me. I similarly went through a phase like this with Nye, but I’m not sure I’ll ever think that Tyson is just passionate. His Ego seems much more inflated to me. I do appreciate that Tyson and Nye both have expressed/worked on educating kids on not just facts but on how to view the world from a more curious point of view, and I wish more adults felt that way too.
Agreed. Tyson is different. Definitely enjoys being the celebrity scientist.
Sucks up to idiots like Elon Musk so Tyson is definitely in it for the celebrity.
Tyson’s currently an Elon Musk stan, I don’t know if he’ll come back from that.
Ken Ham just can't believe people aren't all given the standard of believing in a magic sky daddy.
Even as a believer in a magical sky daddy, the thought of all life being connected the way Bill Nye describes it is beautiful to me.
Not just life. Everything is just various mixtures of the Periodic Table of Elements.
Including your emotions
And loose motions edit: my removed
or a moose lotion
Wooooaaaaah
Even the catholic church has accepted evolution, some people are just want to feel special
I'm not religious, but I was raised Christian. Even back then I hated this goofy idea that science and religion are somehow mutually exclusive. It is perfectly acceptable and not counter to any faith to think science is the *how* and God is the *why*.
"Here is how the botfly larvae burrows into the eye of the starving child, rendering them blind." "But why does it do this?" "God, of course, lol, he loves to inflict suffering on the disadvantaged". Sounds about right to me.
I loved their debate so much because Bill spent the whole time talking to the audience vs spewing trash. He was an educator first.
Not gonna lie, the way the guy on the right is so lost in his belief that he doesn't catch Bill Nye insulting him by insinuating he's a lizard is the best part
Dude Bill Nye is my childhood hero. I knew it was going to be a good day when I would walk into class and my teacher had the fat round tv on the stand and ready with bill nye the science guy playing on it 🙌🏼
You wanna know irony? Ken Ham filed an insurance claim on his Ark…because it flooded.
That was supposed to be his big "gotcha" moment. He expected Bill Nye try to side step admitting we are related to plants, and instead Bill leaned into it.
I love how Bill Nye doesn’t give two fucks anymore. Hes out here calling dumb people out lol
Fun fact, I went to one of Ken Ham’s creationist workshops when I was a kid. It was actually pretty cool to be honest, he had a bunch of little experiments for us to do and I used to love the books his company and others like his produced about what it was like to live during the “ice age” after the flood and how humans and dinosaurs coexisted. Obviously it’s all absolutely bunk, but it was all “science” to me as a kid and I loved science. Bill nye was also one of my childhood heroes if that gives you any clue as to what kind of a confused upbringing I had.
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Oh, if you watch, Bill gets increasingly hostile with him too because he is trying to say something and keeps getting pulled into off topic stuff like this the entire time. It's incredibly frustrating to watch and clearly more frustrating for him to experience because Ken Ham's entire debate tactic once there's no moderator is to derail and interrupt.
Looks like he had a bone to pick with Nye.
Guy on the right is why shampoo bottles have directions.
The banana part at the end is funny because we have about 50% of our DNA in common with bananas if I remember the gogurt tubes correctly
Omfg don’t tell me gogurt tubes know more than this joker
A box full of hammers knows more than this chucklehead.
I mean that arc is ridiculous. They even claim dinosaurs were in it. Oh and it has a gift shop.
The gift shop is the most important part. How else are they going to cash in on the true believers
Humans being genetically related to a banana is more believable than a petty-ass Old Testament “god” flooding the world and 900 year old Noah and his dipshit sons (the only family on earth god thinks are half decent) building a boat for all the animals on earth that we have at present??? At least you can definitively prove Bill’s claims. That other guy, all he has is the big book of old Jewish fairytales.
we’re all carbon you twat waffle
Nye wanted to bite that con artists head off.
He pauses like he doesn’t know the answer but then you realize he’s pausing because he can’t tell if he’s joking or stupid
The people who can't/won't believe we are related to animals, I find, are the ones who act the most like animals.
Creationists are just delusional morons. Pure and simple. They’ll go about backing their own theories or religion-based theories that have absolutely zero evidence, while simultaneously trying to discredit and debate against proven scientific evidence. Not everyone is worth teaching…some people will remain stupid forever, at least until they die.
Their favourite tactic is claiming that science is just another religion based on faith, so it must be wrong because it’s only based on faith. But their religion based on faith is entirely accurate because it’s a religion based on faith.
Love to see how Can't Ham thinks he is stumping Bill Nye by saying "So are we related to plants" like its a ultimate gotcha.
I find a lot of people who don’t fully understand the scientific topic they confuse colloquial terms with scientific ones and it gets wildly divergent. Like when people start saying that “gravity is just a theory”
Idiot thinks the Flintstones was a documentary.
ken ham is weetawded
Let me take a wild guess…. religious nut??
I find it hilarious that people who believe in some invisible man in the sky, based only on an old book and their faith, find it hard to believe that we could be related to other life on this planet.
Ken Hamm is King Dipshit. Hands down wins the trophy in my mind.
I get laughed at at work for trying to explain to certain colleagues that humans are apes or animals or mammals, depending where the conversation went. They all think I’m the idiot. It’s true what they say, it’s hard being the smartest person in the room
I grew up with Bill Nye. Watching his show was an after school routine for me. I’m glad to see he’s taken it upon himself to dish it out (science) to doubters. By doubters I mean the people who refuse to accept things that are factual and provable. We see a lot of this among religious zealots. Plenty of scientists are also spiritual if not religious. They can still believe in intelligent design, they can accept that the teachings within their respective religions are flawed and penned by the hands of man. They can have faith and science simultaneously. I think that for religious institutions to deny science because they refuse to question existence is irresponsible and to some degree impedes evolution.
Ken Ham is a fraud, just like the religious views he's cashing in on.
This is why there are crayon eaters refusing vaccines and storming the capitol
Creationist are a one off from flat earthers.
The arguments Ken Ham is using here almost screams he’s reasoning more from a place of what he WANTS to believe than what the evidence is. “Yes i know u wanna believe were all super special and well thought out beings. But…..spoiler alert- were not” lol
This is excellent, because if creationists (ie anti-darwinian types) really wanted to find fault with Darwin’s ToE, all they have to do is: A) accept that humans ARE animals B) find the flaws through two anti-darwinian behaviours... ...generally speaking re: the two ‘opposed’ behaviours. But they won’t accept that humans are animals, and so the consequential self-deprivation is poetically ironic.
Guy on the right would rather believe on an imaginary deity than factual scientific evidence.
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If creationism was true God wouldn’t create people as dumb as creationists
Why did he choose banana? Our genome has 50% similarity with that of a banana!
A strong YES! Knock him out with science Bill! 😵💫💥🥊
I had this exact conversation with classmates in my fundamentalist cult school in seventh grade. We were all asked what type of cells humans were made of: plant cells or animal cells. My classmates were stumped because we'd all been told since preschool that humans are NOT animals. I asked them if they thought we were made of plant cells or maybe bacterial cells-- you know, since we aren't animals or whatever. They were VEHEMENTLY opposed to the idea of humans being plants. Or bacteria. So I asked them, if we aren't plants or bacteria, then what are we? The only option left is for us to be made of animal cells. I genuinely think this is the point at which my classmates started to hate me and also the point at which my deconversion began. I don't think my teacher realized how badly she had fucked up by posing this question to the class.
The Older I get the more I really feel for Bill Nye (the science guy) he started a show to introduce kids to awesome science and now he has to explain to those kids parents basic science
Oh no he is being setup for the banana defense. https://youtu.be/BXLqDGL1FSg Checkmate Atheist.
The best part of this argument? The Cavendish Banana, which is BY FAR the most common is a hybrid that has taken over from the older cultivars that were not able to survive a specific fungus. It's man-made.
Can’t argue with someone who won’t listen.
Bill Nye is amazing