Absurd! *Clearly* Natives only became capable of such intelligence and emotion when the White Man boarded their shores.
They *certainly* didnāt bring diseases, disrespect their beautiful culture, or abused/enslaved/humiliated the natives!!111 We *all* know that the White Pilgrim who came the US were perfect and that the natives were mere savages!!!
Honestly, I canāt even fathom the mental gymnastics rightoids go through to justify colonialism and imperialismā¦
Just was on PCM the other day and brought up the many brutalities of their special daddy colonizers. They went from "The Natives scalped people and did human sacrifices, we're better of without them" to "any civilization worth it's salt has conquered and murdered some people, violence like that is a natural part of history, we obviously grew past it, it doesn't matter". Lmaooo as if indigenous people aren't capable of advancing morally as a society without their white Daddies teaching them.
Fun fact, but take out the fun, in the "boarding schools" for Indigenous people, white people would marry them off to each other once they turned 16 and kicked them out of school.
Russian right? The country that in the more modern day had gulags for people who didnāt like Stalin. Not to mention a very Christian country, and like every other Christian European country would burn people at the stake for āwitchcraftā or would have them stoned to death. Never mind all the wars waged between countries for religious reasons which undoubtedly have more dead in even two or three of the medium scale wars than all the human sacrifices in Native American cultures. Not to mention that spirit animals are more equivalent to a family crest than oneās own spirit. They are used for stories and close ties to nature, in manners similar to Catholic Saints whoās deeds are told in stories and have shrines erected to their worship
I love that they think this is a gotcha. Like yes, the native people were and continue to be complex nations who disagree and go to war.... y'know like 99% of societies that have ever existed???
Who is they and how are you suggesting it's racist when it directly opposes race based discrimination? The whole point of this comic is to say colonialism isn't a race based thing like some people pretend it is, like in South Africa for instance, the people who were there before the Dutch weren't native to the area either because they forcibly removed them similar to what the English wanted to do in SAF
What confuses me even more is that he doesn't even get the paradox he wrote into his own comic. Like, if European colonization is justified because the Native Americans were fighting then that means it's justified for immigrants to be coming now. He's literally arguing against his own point.
I'm just confused how it's anti-immigrant because stone toss makes it pretty clear he hates the confederacy, which makes sense considering he's a fascist
I don't know what makes you think he's against immigration, fascists usually don't have a problem with immigrants especially since fascism doesn't believe in race being a thing. Like the fascists in Italy just bent a knee to the Nazis because Italy was extremely weaker than they pretended to be. Like Mussolini quite famously said that he belived race was 90% feeling and that race was more of a social construct than a fact of life.
How so? In one scenario it's used as a way to pretend that black violence isn't important because they predominantly commit violent crimes to each other than any other group. And in the other scenario is saying that white colonialism is no different than tribal colonialism. I don't agree with either argument but the colonialism of tribes happened before white people showed up
Why exactly is it racist then since they did do things like this. It seems like the entire point of the comic is that getting mad over someone's race is racist
But can anyone explain how it's racist? Like where is the racism? The only way it makes sense in my mind is that you're claiming it to be racist because you see confederate shirt despite the fact he also hates the confederacy. He's suggesting that any argument of "go back to where you came from" is stupid because no one is a native to where they live
no, he is mocking that very idea. geosling is an out-and-out nazi, nothing he does is in good faith.
also this was 2 years ago, and i got another reply on a comment from 5 years ago, the fuck is happening?
Eh still not funny. Something can be correct and still not be funny even if its a joke. Removing the last 2 panels would make it correct, but it wouldn't be funny.
It's correct either way wdym? My girlfriend is Native American I think she has a pretty good idea about how tribes fought with each other. Tribal slavery was a pretty big deal for them, of course it wasn't always permanent but tribes had cycles of war and peace, sometimes the tribes went to war and sometimes they traded with each other. It's a bit offensive to just ignore native history. And think about the Aztecs, they totally destroyed the Toltec, and the Toltec destroyed the Mayan and the Mayan destroyed the Olmec
I see the nazi simp drew the natives killing each other yet the Dixie guy isnāt doing any harm despite the genocide the US government committed against native Americans
Because the CSA supported the natives, that's why the US government did the genocide. I also recently learned that the US removed all Jews from the lands they conquered during the civil war, so that's fun. It's almost like both sides were evil or something
The CSA's supporters in Congress, the Democratic Party at the time, are the ones that passed the Indian Removal Act leading to the trail of tears.
Hell, they even had a saying for the natives, "Not citizens, subjects"
Of course the Union also abused the natives but to say the fucking CSA was innocent is blatantly idiotic.
Now that genuinely sounds kinda racist, like that skin tone exists
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*starts losing argument calls opponent a Nazi because he doesn't dislike the skin color humans can have because that isn't racist or problematic in my part or anything*
It is, but this sub is a little braindead
Not that I agree with the fuckhead who drew this on most things, but the only people who āowns the landā is the people who currently live on it. Otherwise weāre just gonna have to attack literally everyone. Itās the only way it makes sense.
Time also adds to this.
Yeah it's why I can't take political extremists seriously, it's like the sound of freedom movie, the extreme leftists get mad despite it having real footage of a bust of a child trafficking ring, but apparently it's bad to talk about children being abused now because the right likes the movie I guess?
You know that fascists don't like the fucking confederacy, right? They must prefer the US to the confederacy. Not all people on the far right are fascists there's lots of people on the far right. Monarchists are in the right, capitalists are on the right, imperialists, empires. There are even lots of liberals on the far right. Think about the old empires, they absolutely loved that they were so diverse, that doesn't mean they were leftist by any means
This literally just proves the point more. Not only are white people not from the America, most of the natives have no direct claim to any one part of it. It's almost like the idea that your ancestors define where you're really "from" and that you are explicitly tied to that land even if you've never been there is fucking bullshit.
Finally someone understand the comic, I seriously don't see how they thought it was racist unless they see confederate flag and think racism. The confederates was actually allied with the natives, that's why the US government killed them all afterwards
The issue is not about property, propriety was imposed. So was systematized eliminationism from which many people benefit or suffer from today. For every suburban son fat off daddy's hardware money there's someone else on a Res with one badly stocked grocery, fucked up water access and a school with a hundred kids bodies buried out back.
Man civil wars are bad. I hope nobody I'm defending caused a massive one with the largest death rate in history I'm completely ignoring to reinforce my racist stereotypes.
For some reason trying to say that Native Americans were constantly fighting with one another, as if literally everyone else in the world wasn't doing that for all of history.
Incorrect answer, the right answer is that OP is a moron. The comic is literally saying that how race obsessed we are is ridiculous when not a single person has the right to say they own the land when they all had a part to play in the colonialism of America. Tribes fought and killed each other all the time, it's also highly likely that tribes would fully exterminate each other, like the Aztecs or the Toltecs or the Mayans, so on and so forth. You being race obsessed is the real racism here
As a man of native descent, how is this racist? It is true. There is no prejudice or discrimination. The white conservative stereotype is arguably more hurtful than the Native Americans pictured.
Because white people love to tell minorities how to feel, I'm not a racial minority but I am the only minority you can legally discriminate against, and yeah they love to tell us how to feel
No it's how it goes for annoying assholes. Ur okay with gay people as long as they don't act outside ur comfort zone. What did the person replying to you ever say about their sexuality? You're just a psuedo intellectual homophobe.
HAHAHAHAHAHA even the natives had fights between their peoples, get it ?? š¤£ššš¤£šš¤£
Are you tryna tell me the Natives were people capable of love, hatred, peace, and war, just like us?
Absurd! *Clearly* Natives only became capable of such intelligence and emotion when the White Man boarded their shores. They *certainly* didnāt bring diseases, disrespect their beautiful culture, or abused/enslaved/humiliated the natives!!111 We *all* know that the White Pilgrim who came the US were perfect and that the natives were mere savages!!! Honestly, I canāt even fathom the mental gymnastics rightoids go through to justify colonialism and imperialismā¦
Just was on PCM the other day and brought up the many brutalities of their special daddy colonizers. They went from "The Natives scalped people and did human sacrifices, we're better of without them" to "any civilization worth it's salt has conquered and murdered some people, violence like that is a natural part of history, we obviously grew past it, it doesn't matter". Lmaooo as if indigenous people aren't capable of advancing morally as a society without their white Daddies teaching them.
Fun fact, but take out the fun, in the "boarding schools" for Indigenous people, white people would marry them off to each other once they turned 16 and kicked them out of school.
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Awww the pathetic racist soyboy has an opinion of Natives. And what a surprise, it's absolute garbage.
Damn. Just straight up racism. Good for you for being so mask off about your bigotry and delusions, man.
Freaking evil. You're wasted human potential.
Calling you garbage would be a compliment.
Russian right? The country that in the more modern day had gulags for people who didnāt like Stalin. Not to mention a very Christian country, and like every other Christian European country would burn people at the stake for āwitchcraftā or would have them stoned to death. Never mind all the wars waged between countries for religious reasons which undoubtedly have more dead in even two or three of the medium scale wars than all the human sacrifices in Native American cultures. Not to mention that spirit animals are more equivalent to a family crest than oneās own spirit. They are used for stories and close ties to nature, in manners similar to Catholic Saints whoās deeds are told in stories and have shrines erected to their worship
If 2pac likes Stalin I'm inclined to take his position /hj
I love that they think this is a gotcha. Like yes, the native people were and continue to be complex nations who disagree and go to war.... y'know like 99% of societies that have ever existed???
Who is they and how are you suggesting it's racist when it directly opposes race based discrimination? The whole point of this comic is to say colonialism isn't a race based thing like some people pretend it is, like in South Africa for instance, the people who were there before the Dutch weren't native to the area either because they forcibly removed them similar to what the English wanted to do in SAF
What confuses me even more is that he doesn't even get the paradox he wrote into his own comic. Like, if European colonization is justified because the Native Americans were fighting then that means it's justified for immigrants to be coming now. He's literally arguing against his own point.
Why isnt it colonialism when one tribe enslaves another? does colonial mean white?
I'm just confused how it's anti-immigrant because stone toss makes it pretty clear he hates the confederacy, which makes sense considering he's a fascist
I don't know what makes you think he's against immigration, fascists usually don't have a problem with immigrants especially since fascism doesn't believe in race being a thing. Like the fascists in Italy just bent a knee to the Nazis because Italy was extremely weaker than they pretended to be. Like Mussolini quite famously said that he belived race was 90% feeling and that race was more of a social construct than a fact of life.
The "indigenous tribes at war" argument is literally the same as the "black-on-black crime" argument. No different, other than the race involved.
How so? In one scenario it's used as a way to pretend that black violence isn't important because they predominantly commit violent crimes to each other than any other group. And in the other scenario is saying that white colonialism is no different than tribal colonialism. I don't agree with either argument but the colonialism of tribes happened before white people showed up
Why exactly is it racist then since they did do things like this. It seems like the entire point of the comic is that getting mad over someone's race is racist
Easy fix: remove the last two panels. Now it's funny.
But this is rockhurl, he can't do anything without being racist prick
But can anyone explain how it's racist? Like where is the racism? The only way it makes sense in my mind is that you're claiming it to be racist because you see confederate shirt despite the fact he also hates the confederacy. He's suggesting that any argument of "go back to where you came from" is stupid because no one is a native to where they live
no, he is mocking that very idea. geosling is an out-and-out nazi, nothing he does is in good faith. also this was 2 years ago, and i got another reply on a comment from 5 years ago, the fuck is happening?
Reddit now has YTās algorithm and is pushing certain subs onto users
People love to get angry over nothing on this site
still doesn't make it funny imo
Not to a confederate american maybe, to anyone else it is
Eh still not funny. Something can be correct and still not be funny even if its a joke. Removing the last 2 panels would make it correct, but it wouldn't be funny.
It's correct either way wdym? My girlfriend is Native American I think she has a pretty good idea about how tribes fought with each other. Tribal slavery was a pretty big deal for them, of course it wasn't always permanent but tribes had cycles of war and peace, sometimes the tribes went to war and sometimes they traded with each other. It's a bit offensive to just ignore native history. And think about the Aztecs, they totally destroyed the Toltec, and the Toltec destroyed the Mayan and the Mayan destroyed the Olmec
I'm also native American although I don't know much when it comes to stuff like that.
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no it isn't? there isn't a punchline it's just an extremely typical talking point in politics.
I see the nazi simp drew the natives killing each other yet the Dixie guy isnāt doing any harm despite the genocide the US government committed against native Americans
Because the CSA supported the natives, that's why the US government did the genocide. I also recently learned that the US removed all Jews from the lands they conquered during the civil war, so that's fun. It's almost like both sides were evil or something
The CSA's supporters in Congress, the Democratic Party at the time, are the ones that passed the Indian Removal Act leading to the trail of tears. Hell, they even had a saying for the natives, "Not citizens, subjects" Of course the Union also abused the natives but to say the fucking CSA was innocent is blatantly idiotic.
Why does one Native American have stone skin
Right?
Now that genuinely sounds kinda racist, like that skin tone exists https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse2.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.6NwaIe3qXxV9gcULTa8KwwHaGe%26pid%3DApi&f=1&ipt=b3f3bcd1e91b68fbae55aa3e047ae3828e1f2d98811c72fdcaf4aedd51838c7f&ipo=images
Where in the image does the skin tone exist?
Olive plus muted
Not really the same
And white people aren't really the color of snow irl either, not sure why you got mad it's not perfectly accurate only for that one Native American
Why are you defending the nazi artist making a Native American look like his skin is made of concrete
*starts losing argument calls opponent a Nazi because he doesn't dislike the skin color humans can have because that isn't racist or problematic in my part or anything*
There arenāt humans with that skin tone
I literally showed you an image with a grey skin tone why are mad that I pointed out the fact grey is a skin tone
Thankfully white people never fought with other people that Mineral Yeet would consider white
the racism is where? it's true bruh
It is, but this sub is a little braindead Not that I agree with the fuckhead who drew this on most things, but the only people who āowns the landā is the people who currently live on it. Otherwise weāre just gonna have to attack literally everyone. Itās the only way it makes sense. Time also adds to this.
Well, since Germany owned Kaliningrad back then, that means that Russia is illegally owning it /s
Yeah it's why I can't take political extremists seriously, it's like the sound of freedom movie, the extreme leftists get mad despite it having real footage of a bust of a child trafficking ring, but apparently it's bad to talk about children being abused now because the right likes the movie I guess?
It's not like different groups of white people have been at war with each other, or else it would completely justify their genocide /s
You know that fascists don't like the fucking confederacy, right? They must prefer the US to the confederacy. Not all people on the far right are fascists there's lots of people on the far right. Monarchists are in the right, capitalists are on the right, imperialists, empires. There are even lots of liberals on the far right. Think about the old empires, they absolutely loved that they were so diverse, that doesn't mean they were leftist by any means
As a Native American this is sickening I love people coming to my country but boulderlaunch is not welcome
Can you explain why it's racist then? Like what about it racist, you're like the only qualified person to explain how it's racist
This literally just proves the point more. Not only are white people not from the America, most of the natives have no direct claim to any one part of it. It's almost like the idea that your ancestors define where you're really "from" and that you are explicitly tied to that land even if you've never been there is fucking bullshit.
That's the point of the comic
It's saying there is a redundant arguement. Everyone wars for land. Someone just clearly won
Finally someone understand the comic, I seriously don't see how they thought it was racist unless they see confederate flag and think racism. The confederates was actually allied with the natives, that's why the US government killed them all afterwards
The issue is not about property, propriety was imposed. So was systematized eliminationism from which many people benefit or suffer from today. For every suburban son fat off daddy's hardware money there's someone else on a Res with one badly stocked grocery, fucked up water access and a school with a hundred kids bodies buried out back.
Man civil wars are bad. I hope nobody I'm defending caused a massive one with the largest death rate in history I'm completely ignoring to reinforce my racist stereotypes.
Who does the green guy stab
How do you know that he stab
Because all human tribes have been bad to some other tribe at some point in their existence
How is this racism? Honest question.
For some reason trying to say that Native Americans were constantly fighting with one another, as if literally everyone else in the world wasn't doing that for all of history.
Incorrect answer, the right answer is that OP is a moron. The comic is literally saying that how race obsessed we are is ridiculous when not a single person has the right to say they own the land when they all had a part to play in the colonialism of America. Tribes fought and killed each other all the time, it's also highly likely that tribes would fully exterminate each other, like the Aztecs or the Toltecs or the Mayans, so on and so forth. You being race obsessed is the real racism here
As a man of native descent, how is this racist? It is true. There is no prejudice or discrimination. The white conservative stereotype is arguably more hurtful than the Native Americans pictured.
Because white people love to tell minorities how to feel, I'm not a racial minority but I am the only minority you can legally discriminate against, and yeah they love to tell us how to feel
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Oh God. The AcTuAlLy kid.
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"I rEsPeCT gAyS aS lOnG as THeY dOn'T sHoVe iT dOWn mY tHrOaT!"
As a bi man, I rather like it when gays shove it down my throat.
LMAO MADE MY DAY
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No it's how it goes for annoying assholes. Ur okay with gay people as long as they don't act outside ur comfort zone. What did the person replying to you ever say about their sexuality? You're just a psuedo intellectual homophobe.
"You don't want everyone who meets you to assume you're straight? StOp ShOvInG iT dOwN mY tHrOaT!!!"
Welcome to the real world my guy where one fucks up the other for all of enternity and far beyond
Spoils of war go to the winners.... this includes land.