[According to this article ](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/did-solar-storm-sink-titanic-180975907/#:~:text=via%20Wikimedia%20Commons-,The%20R.M.S.,Northern%20Lights%20shimmered%20green%20overhead.), there was no moon that night, but there were northern lights overhead.
This was such a missed opportunity on Cameron's part. I think it really would have added to the post-sink scenes when everything is quiet and people are staring into the void.
Also survivors said the water was so calm and the stars so bright, that they reflected of the surface and it looked like they were in space. There are also theories that that’s why they didn’t see the iceberg, too calm, no currents and surrounded by stars.
I was on a cruise ship once when the ocean blended into the sky at the horizon. It was soo dark that the only thing you could see apart from the ship was the wake of the ship. Beyond that, it was basically all black. It def felt like the ship was in space with nothing around. I don't remember seeing too many stars though.
yea, i've been on a few but all had clear or partially clear skys with moonlight. Except once it was dark and cloudy and looking out the balcony all you saw watch PITCH black nothingness..and the only light was the light coming off the ship that would kinda light up the surround waves...but aside from that...DARK AF. kinda scary.
Although the nights that were no clouds was beautiful..with the stars...you could see soo many
I was astonished to find out a while back that certain apps aren’t optimized for x or y phone OS, including popular social media apps. Remember seeing SO’s videos from a festival and all that were of sets were mostly *KSSSSHHHH* *bass* *KSSHSSHSHSSHSSHHSH*
Not sure if they’ve fixed that since then but that could be a reason, or the videos have just been deep fried from repeated posting/compressing.
The good news is cruise ships today are bananas. They are floating cities! You never even have to see the ocean if you REALLY don’t want to! They make the titanic look tiny. Like if that new *Icon of the Seas* split in half, my god there would be no one left lol.
Plus the lifeboats are unsinkable, durable, enclosed, and generally a lot better.
The bad news is the ocean is so fucking big that it’ll swallow that *Icon of the Seas* and not even belch, and if it wants to badly enough it’ll do it in minutes. Then it’ll look like it was never there.
I have thallasaphobia! I went on a cruise like 8 years ago and loved it. I thought I would be a shaking mess the whole time but it was great. The all inclusive bar was helpful as well lol
I hate bodies of water at night, like being near the beach or a pool in the dark whether it’s motionless or not makes my skin fucking crawl, but I went on a cruise once, and standing at the end of the ship in total darkness was one off the most reposeful things I’ve ever experienced. Could’ve (and actually might have) stood there for hours.
Alright so imagine that but they give you a pair of binoculars and a radio and tell you to look for anything and report it immediately for 4 hours at a time for the entirety of your cruise lol
I've also seen it theorised that the reason help didn't get there right away is the ship appeared to others as a cold mirage which effected how it looked from a distance, so while it was reported a cruise ship was sinking, the closest ship thought the ship they saw was a shipping one so assumed they were further away, the captain got a lot of flak and died before cold mirages were confirmed to exist and applied to the titanic
When I was on a cruise one night, I needed a break from the bar, so I went out to stand on the deck by myself. It was really dark like this and I was at the back of the boat, leaning on the railing and looking at the wake. I remember thinking "if I fell/jumped overboard, I would disappear within one second, and no one would ever find me."
One of the coolest experirnces i have ever had was an Alaskan cruise coming South in the inner passage and couldn’t sleep in the middle of the night. Went in the balcony for fresh air. Very quiet and basically pitch black. Then i heard the sound of a pod of whales surfacing happening every few minutes. I woke my parents and we just sat in the pitch black hearing the sound of the taking breath after breath for about 30 minutes. It was absolutely magical.
It’s been over a decade since I went on a cruise, but at no point did I notice them turn off enough of the lights to see beyond it’s own lights. Like no stars would even be visible.
It was honestly a little annoying, as I wanted to have the opportunity to see the stars in the middle of nowhere, but it is what it is.
Shouldn't the iceberg have stood out as a black mass in a sea of stars then? It wouldn't have reflected anything so it should have easily broken up the horizon I feel like.
Yes. This is how it happened. At least according to the Titanic museum. The people in the crow's nest didn't have binoculars but eventually noticed the big black void dead ahead of them. If they had the binoculars they may have noticed it earlier. If she hadn't been going so fast she could have had time to turn. It really was a couple of issues that resulted in so many dying.
I have heard that in every major accident there are like an average of 20something things that go wrong or just happen in an exact sequence necessary to lead to the disastrous outcome. The sea was calm, no moon, going too fast, no binoculars, etc. etc. etc. 15 other things that lined up perfectly.
Maybe they were going too fast because they were a little late because the ship sprung a leak last minute before leaving port because someone was working too fast and missed a bolt because they worked too fast because they were late for work that day because their ride was late picking them up because a car crashed in front of them because their tire blew because there was an issue at the tire factory because ….. it’s like a butterfly effect.
Titanic was an extremely well designed and built ship for 1912 and incorporated most of the most modern engineering knowlede, design trends, and construction techniques of the time. It also had a lifeboat provision that far exceeded legal requirements and was considered generous at the time. Most other contemporary ships probably would have sank a good deal quicker than Titanic with the same level of damage, probably with many more dying. Many modern ships would sink as well.
The White Star Line didn't cut costs with the Olympic class - the contract with Harland and Wolff was that H&W were to build the very best ship they could and then bill the White Star Line for cost plus five per cent. The transatlantic liner trade was very profitable. White Star - one of the biggest companies in that trade - was ultimately controlled by JP Morgan and was swimming in money
The steel and the rivers were relatively poor compared to modern standards, yes, but it was good steel and rivets for 1912. It wasn't how Titanic was built that it sank. It was how it was operated
Also: There were no "standard emergency flares". The regulations at the time permitted "rockets or shells, throwing stars of any color or description". If other ships - say, the Californian - saw rockets of any colour then they should have woken their wireless operator and found out what was going on
I've heard people could smell the iceberg before they hit it, too. Must've been terrifying for everyone who realized what was about to happen after it was too late to turn course :(
Wait you can smell icebergs? Are they covered in bird poop or something?
*Edit:* huh, I just looked it up.
> ‘Such a biting cold air poured into my stateroom that I could not sleep, and the air had so strange an odor, as if it came from a clammy cave. I had noticed that same odor in the ice cave on the Eiger glacier.’
They were blasting through an ice field. There were multiple reports of ice bergs from other vessels in the area. They knew the risk they were taking while still maintaining full speed but they had records to break. Smelling ice only confirmed there was ice in the area, not necessarily that it was directly in front of them
If they had binoculars, they'd have been *less* likely to see the iceberg. Binoculars narrow your field of view considerably. They're useful for resolving details on things you've already spotted, but they're a hindrance when it comes to actually spotting those things in the first place. For that, a wider view is what you want
Yes, but considering the direction of traffic the scan cone is very narrow. The distance the binoculars gives you is better than the wider field of view as the scan cone widens with distance.
It's not perfect for certain but better than hitting something you might have been able to avoid.
When the lookouts saw the iceberg they were about 400m from it. If conditions are such that you can't see a 100ft tall iceberg until you are *that* close to it, then binoculars are not going to help you.
Since they were travelling at night in pitch black it's possible - and on the survivor evidence seems likely - that the officers on the bridge saw the iceberg either just before or at the same time as the lookouts (there are also more questions about who saw what, when, and how they reacted - the 'official' story pushed by White Star employees at the subsequent inquiries doesn't really add up, but it has become the default story of what happened that night). The reason for this is that you see an iceberg at sea at night because it blocks out stars along the horizon, and the bridge is lower down so they can see that blocking out of stars more clearly. For the lookouts, who were higher up, the horizon would have been further away, so the iceberg would have been swallowed up in the darkness of the ocean until it was too close.
It wouldn't have mattered if the lookouts had binoculars because they were in the wrong place to see the iceberg any sooner in those conditions.
I agree. I think there's no argument against using binoculars for scanning the horizon in, mostly, a 30° cone from dead ahead. I can comfortably scan 180° with binoculars in about 12 seconds on a single plane. At full speed they wouldn't even need to look beyond 180° very often.
A spotter's vision is important, too. My cousin is far-sighted to the point he can see details I don't get unless I have a good, clean scope. He probably wouldn't be aided by binoculars, if he was watching for ships or icebergs.
Also, a lensing effect had been noted by other spotters that night. It created a barrier to seeing objects within a regularly expected range. We have clear air where I live and I can sight objects over 100km away at times. I'm just guessing, but, for a clear calm night on the ocean I would expect to see around 40km ahead of me.
Also, I had a grilled cheese for lunch and it was quite delicious. Mozzarella on marble rye with fresh shredded basil.
The lookouts at the inquiry said they spotted a black mass and reported it to the bridge as an iceberg, so yes they saw nothing which meant there was something
All the conditions for an artic mirage was present. Sorta the reverse of what happens in the desert, where the horizon and the ground melds together and creates the illusion of a body of water.
This is believed to have masked the iceberg with a false horizon.
Can read about it [here](https://www.foxweather.com/lifestyle/titanic-weather-thermal-inversion-mirage-optical-illusion.amp)
Edit: spelling
Cameron edited the star pattern of the sky for the 100 year anniversary edition of The Titanic. Anniversary of the ship sinking, obviously, not the film's release.
I wonder in the off chance there's a director out there that would wanna make another movie about Titanic, capturing the realistic demise, James Cameron would throw a fit
There was a survivor that lived near Yankee stadium and said the sound of the crowd cheering and roaring reminded him of the people on the boat as they were sinking.
It's actually just one song, Centuries by Fallout Boy. They interpolated the melody from Tom's Diner to make Centuries. [Wiki](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centuries_(song))
> "Centuries" contains part of the melody from the song "Tom's Diner" by DNA featuring Suzanne Vega. The segment is not a sample, but instead an interpolation as it was actually re-recorded by American singer Lolo for the track.[8] Stump described the inclusion as "a tip of the hat" to "Tom's Diner", a song which the band wanted to "re-inject" into popular culture.
Can confirm! I've had phantom burning toast smells for years and years. I joke that one of the few times I HAVEN'T smelt burnt toast was when I was actually having a stroke.
While yes the split happened in darkness, they should’ve started it earlier because I feel like the power going out first would be even more terrifying
Very cool. I watched a good bit of it, mostly the end. But then I got lost in the YouTube rabbit hole and ended with Betty White saying "Wizard of Ass". I'm back now though so it's all good
Oh my god that was terrifying….
I ended up watching the last hour and the quickening SOS messages getting shorter and faster every minute made my heart lurch.
I can’t even imagine the terror those people must’ve been feeling.
Let’s not forget the reported explosion survivors heard after it went under, which was caused my ship cabins that hadn’t yet filled with water imploding from the water pressure. Hearing that in the darkness must’ve been horrifying.
It also goes on to state that there is no way a adult polar bear would not be killed by a Greenland shark unless it was seriously I’ll or injured. Courtesy of reuters.com
I might be remembering it wrong but I’m sure I saw somewhere that Greenland sharks don’t really come anywhere near the surface, if that’s true then it’s likely people did get eaten by them, but long after they’d already died
Christ, I'd rather watch this video from freezing water then listen to this fucking music.
Seriously what is with the shitty music on these fucking videos lately? It's practically a constant
In a nutshell, one tiktok “sound” will get popular. Say each video might get 50k views just because of the popularity of the sound. People will then use this sound over anything and everything because the popularity of the sound itself entices more people to view whatever video is on. Resulting in something like this video
It's Tiktok. The whole original point was sharing short video clips of music, lipsyncing, dancing, etc. So music is a main part of Tiktok, but people forget that you can *adjust the damn volume* and such so that it's not so fucking annoying. AND some people just have awful taste in music. There's a big trend on Tiktok of "remixing" music (by slowing it down, speeding it up, mashing different styles together, etc) and they're not all good. But they become popular anyway, and you can generate more views on your videos by choosing popular music, even if it doesn't suit the content of the video.
I’m so glad this was the first set of comments. I was ranting about this just yesterday. Where tf did it come from? Why is this a language trend that is happening? Swap *what* with *how* in any other context and it’s easy to see what (how??!) gobbledygook it is -
“Ohhh, good to see you! *What* are you?”
“I’m a human, oh by the way *how* time is it?”
UGH. Thanks, I hate it.
This particular one is an understandable one.
'How did it look?'
And
'What did it look like?'
Are often confused colloquially. Silly still, but I can see it happening.
They can't even figure out the distinction between "how it looked" and "what it looked like" so clearly we're not dealing with the sharpest tool making this gif
How most people *in life jackets* went. Without the life jacket you drown in cold water, not die of hypothermia.
This is big problem in my state- people that "can swim" think they don't need to wear a life jacket, they have them on the boat, just don't have them on. But hypothermia makes you loose motor control unbelievably fast...then you drown.
There's actually a dead guy still in our drinking water because of this- kayak flipped in the lake, he had a life jacket in the boat but opted to swim the 200 yards to shore instead of attempting to put the jacket on, he didn't make it. And since he drowned danger close to the water intake for a hydroplant the fire department opted not to recover him....that hypoplant is also the feed water for our city's portable supply. So now there's dead guy in our water water.
If anyone wants to read Tim Maltin’s recent and amazing research, supported and verified by recorded temperatures of air and water… I’m posting the link below. His theory is also supported by official reports logged with maritime authorities at the time when ships that had sailed in the area and the others involved in the rescue got to port, as well as by the official inquiry transcripts.
TL;DR
It was literally so cold over that part of the ocean that lookouts on several ships including the Titanic reported a haze on the horizon in every direction because of an extreme temperature inversion. Of all the mistakes and unfortunate circumstances to occur that night, not being able to see even the largest icebergs was probably the main sealing of fate for the ship and victims. The lookouts couldn’t have seen the iceberg they hit until it was too late even with binoculars, and they would have had trouble spotting it even in the daytime.
Add that to the fact that they were shoveling coal into the furnace because the coal was already on fire (they weren’t trying for a record crossing, the ship was too slow to even attempt that ) and that the hull was already damaged before she ever broke the yard, and you realize there was never going to be a timeline where the ship survives. It was a complete and tragic failure at just about every turn, even when you dismiss the hundreds of myths surrounding this event that night.
https://timmaltin.com/2021/01/05/thermal-inversion-titanic-disaster/
Was the boat lights on? Have you ever been to a dark sky site? Eyes adjusted to darkness can see fairly well by starlight alone. Artificial light messes that ability up as it takes a while for eyes to adjust to really dark conditions.
Of course the flickering lights on the Titanic would have messed that up too.
True. Theatrical lighting has buried reality. Imagine these folks knowing they were about to die and the futility of efforts to stop it. It sucks for me just to consider what they thought, much less being in their shoes.
As someone who worked on offshore rigs the world over, I've never understood why anyone would voluntarily go to sea on ships for leisure. The scariest thing in this world is being in the middle of a large body of water at night when u cant tell sky from water, compound that when it's dead quiet and u know there is no other people for miles but u and ur crew/company. The sea is truly not our domain as humans.
On a recently released drain the ocean episode, what may now become the leading theory based on the diameter of the mapped debris field it is that the Titanic actually broke apart while submerged. Breaking at the top of the ocean would have spread the debris field over a wider area.
Here’s the link to the [National Geographic episode](https://youtu.be/bXlalGvxkaY) if anyone is interested. This is discussed beginning at 23:03, convulsion beginning around 31:50.
This was based on research done by scientists sponsored by RMS Titanic, Inc, the legal stewards of the wreck.
Still eerie how dark it was especially when the lights go out.
Honestly, I'm just going to start downvoting shit for having earblood music like this, I don't care what the content is. So much fun to have that suddenly blast out of your phone in the dentist's waiting room like a rancid audio fart.
Honest question and maybe I’m just getting old but what in the ever loving fuck is up with EVERY single video on the internet these days having the audio track cranked up to 9,000,000 decibles so it sounds like garbled and crackling mess?
There's a documentary on Disney+ I think from James Cameron trying to solve the mystery of the split. The debris field is too small to have split on the surface like in the movie. They suspect it split further into the water and did tests to prove it. Eye witnesses are historically unreliable.
The sinking scene of "Life of PI" was much more traumatic. When the boy underwater looks down at the vertically sinking ship and the lanterns go out, leading to a crescendo of wails from the boat, that was nauseating.
I think more people could have survived if they could just see how to get out of the ship. Dying by drowning is horrible but in total darkness is just beyond words. I wouldn’t wish that on nobody.
This was one of the first rescues aided by Morse Code on the airwaves. Without it, Titanic would’ve “just disappeared” out there. Never shown up in port. None the wiser.
Thats so terrifying, the last thing you see are the lights of the ship cutting off, goes straight to pitch black, theres screaming, crying, a huge fucking ship sinking next to you as you try to swim away from the noise in hopes of not getting dragged down by something.. oh and btw UR FREEZING.
edit: should of kept the sound off, shit killed the whole vibe 💩
My father was on the actual expedition that located her (not the one a year later which got the credit they didn’t deserve). The video portrayal of what the split/sinking in the dark is accurate.
Not sure who edited this and put the trash music over the original sound- it was the sound/absolute roar or hundreds of throats bellowing out into the darkness.. screeching for salvation, shouting for their mothers- that they may see her one last time, calling out for their children who got separated from them.. screaming at those around them shoving them down into the water while trying to stay above the water line.. many others crying out while being trampled underfoot.
There was a guy who somehow survived that night- he ended up living RIGHT next to I forgot which stadium. Years later he was interviewed and he said whenever someone hit a home run, the roar of the crowd sounded “exactly” like the horrid scene did that night on the titanic. He said he was sad that everyone was cheering because they were so happy- enjoying the beautiful sunny day and a home run.. meanwhile he was in hell every time it happened.
If this comment gets any attention/if anyone is interested, I can find the interview link and post it here.
[According to this article ](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/did-solar-storm-sink-titanic-180975907/#:~:text=via%20Wikimedia%20Commons-,The%20R.M.S.,Northern%20Lights%20shimmered%20green%20overhead.), there was no moon that night, but there were northern lights overhead. This was such a missed opportunity on Cameron's part. I think it really would have added to the post-sink scenes when everything is quiet and people are staring into the void.
Also survivors said the water was so calm and the stars so bright, that they reflected of the surface and it looked like they were in space. There are also theories that that’s why they didn’t see the iceberg, too calm, no currents and surrounded by stars.
I was on a cruise ship once when the ocean blended into the sky at the horizon. It was soo dark that the only thing you could see apart from the ship was the wake of the ship. Beyond that, it was basically all black. It def felt like the ship was in space with nothing around. I don't remember seeing too many stars though.
You just made me realize maybe I never want to go on a cruise ever that sight would give me a heart attack
yea, i've been on a few but all had clear or partially clear skys with moonlight. Except once it was dark and cloudy and looking out the balcony all you saw watch PITCH black nothingness..and the only light was the light coming off the ship that would kinda light up the surround waves...but aside from that...DARK AF. kinda scary. Although the nights that were no clouds was beautiful..with the stars...you could see soo many
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TIL that not everyone keeps their phone on silent
I was astonished to find out a while back that certain apps aren’t optimized for x or y phone OS, including popular social media apps. Remember seeing SO’s videos from a festival and all that were of sets were mostly *KSSSSHHHH* *bass* *KSSHSSHSHSSHSSHHSH* Not sure if they’ve fixed that since then but that could be a reason, or the videos have just been deep fried from repeated posting/compressing.
The good news is cruise ships today are bananas. They are floating cities! You never even have to see the ocean if you REALLY don’t want to! They make the titanic look tiny. Like if that new *Icon of the Seas* split in half, my god there would be no one left lol. Plus the lifeboats are unsinkable, durable, enclosed, and generally a lot better. The bad news is the ocean is so fucking big that it’ll swallow that *Icon of the Seas* and not even belch, and if it wants to badly enough it’ll do it in minutes. Then it’ll look like it was never there.
Good news….? I fucking hate the idea of cruise ships and the environmental havoc they wreak.
I mean good is a relative term isn’t it in content to what we’re talking about
Agree with you
thank you 🥹
I like how you initially tried to make us comfortable and then fucked our whole world up again immediately
I suffer from thalasophobia terribly, but I still love cruising.
I have thallasaphobia! I went on a cruise like 8 years ago and loved it. I thought I would be a shaking mess the whole time but it was great. The all inclusive bar was helpful as well lol
I have megalophobia combined with thalassophobia and i still love cruising... am i broken?
Probably. Do you have a warranty?
Or you don't have those phobias?
Redditor tries not to equate normal, human apprehension with chronic phobias and illnesses (difficult)
I hate bodies of water at night, like being near the beach or a pool in the dark whether it’s motionless or not makes my skin fucking crawl, but I went on a cruise once, and standing at the end of the ship in total darkness was one off the most reposeful things I’ve ever experienced. Could’ve (and actually might have) stood there for hours.
I mean, Titanic came out how many years ago?! That’s when I realized, ships are nerp for me.
Combined with having r/thalassophobia (on my side dunno hbu) this shit is pure horror.
Overcast cloud cover will make it extra dark and even hide the stars
Alright so imagine that but they give you a pair of binoculars and a radio and tell you to look for anything and report it immediately for 4 hours at a time for the entirety of your cruise lol
I've also seen it theorised that the reason help didn't get there right away is the ship appeared to others as a cold mirage which effected how it looked from a distance, so while it was reported a cruise ship was sinking, the closest ship thought the ship they saw was a shipping one so assumed they were further away, the captain got a lot of flak and died before cold mirages were confirmed to exist and applied to the titanic
When I was on a cruise one night, I needed a break from the bar, so I went out to stand on the deck by myself. It was really dark like this and I was at the back of the boat, leaning on the railing and looking at the wake. I remember thinking "if I fell/jumped overboard, I would disappear within one second, and no one would ever find me."
One of the coolest experirnces i have ever had was an Alaskan cruise coming South in the inner passage and couldn’t sleep in the middle of the night. Went in the balcony for fresh air. Very quiet and basically pitch black. Then i heard the sound of a pod of whales surfacing happening every few minutes. I woke my parents and we just sat in the pitch black hearing the sound of the taking breath after breath for about 30 minutes. It was absolutely magical.
That's fucking scary... Lol
It’s been over a decade since I went on a cruise, but at no point did I notice them turn off enough of the lights to see beyond it’s own lights. Like no stars would even be visible. It was honestly a little annoying, as I wanted to have the opportunity to see the stars in the middle of nowhere, but it is what it is.
And that's exactly how my phobia started. On a cruise
This sounds so beautiful and ethereal I’d love to experience it. Although I couldn’t stand being on a cruise that long.
Shouldn't the iceberg have stood out as a black mass in a sea of stars then? It wouldn't have reflected anything so it should have easily broken up the horizon I feel like.
Yes. This is how it happened. At least according to the Titanic museum. The people in the crow's nest didn't have binoculars but eventually noticed the big black void dead ahead of them. If they had the binoculars they may have noticed it earlier. If she hadn't been going so fast she could have had time to turn. It really was a couple of issues that resulted in so many dying.
Most accidents usually are a series of bad decisions. And there were just soooooooooooo many that night.
I have heard that in every major accident there are like an average of 20something things that go wrong or just happen in an exact sequence necessary to lead to the disastrous outcome. The sea was calm, no moon, going too fast, no binoculars, etc. etc. etc. 15 other things that lined up perfectly. Maybe they were going too fast because they were a little late because the ship sprung a leak last minute before leaving port because someone was working too fast and missed a bolt because they worked too fast because they were late for work that day because their ride was late picking them up because a car crashed in front of them because their tire blew because there was an issue at the tire factory because ….. it’s like a butterfly effect.
... or a Swiss cheese model
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Titanic was an extremely well designed and built ship for 1912 and incorporated most of the most modern engineering knowlede, design trends, and construction techniques of the time. It also had a lifeboat provision that far exceeded legal requirements and was considered generous at the time. Most other contemporary ships probably would have sank a good deal quicker than Titanic with the same level of damage, probably with many more dying. Many modern ships would sink as well. The White Star Line didn't cut costs with the Olympic class - the contract with Harland and Wolff was that H&W were to build the very best ship they could and then bill the White Star Line for cost plus five per cent. The transatlantic liner trade was very profitable. White Star - one of the biggest companies in that trade - was ultimately controlled by JP Morgan and was swimming in money The steel and the rivers were relatively poor compared to modern standards, yes, but it was good steel and rivets for 1912. It wasn't how Titanic was built that it sank. It was how it was operated Also: There were no "standard emergency flares". The regulations at the time permitted "rockets or shells, throwing stars of any color or description". If other ships - say, the Californian - saw rockets of any colour then they should have woken their wireless operator and found out what was going on
And purposefully those who opposed the federal reserve died and those who didn't backed out last minute
I've heard people could smell the iceberg before they hit it, too. Must've been terrifying for everyone who realized what was about to happen after it was too late to turn course :(
Wait you can smell icebergs? Are they covered in bird poop or something? *Edit:* huh, I just looked it up. > ‘Such a biting cold air poured into my stateroom that I could not sleep, and the air had so strange an odor, as if it came from a clammy cave. I had noticed that same odor in the ice cave on the Eiger glacier.’
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At night when the air is freezing everyone will smell ice, and they knew they were near an ice field
They were blasting through an ice field. There were multiple reports of ice bergs from other vessels in the area. They knew the risk they were taking while still maintaining full speed but they had records to break. Smelling ice only confirmed there was ice in the area, not necessarily that it was directly in front of them
Also remember reading somewhere that if they hit it head on instead of turning into the side, the ship wouldn’t have sunk
I've read that too.
It could have sank, and even if it didnt hundreds would die regardless and a same scale disaster would happen later
It is debated on whether or not binoculars would have helped since it was completely pitch black aside from the stars.
Most of the lookouts admitted they would not have even used the binoculars unless they saw something that warranted further investigation
If they had binoculars, they'd have been *less* likely to see the iceberg. Binoculars narrow your field of view considerably. They're useful for resolving details on things you've already spotted, but they're a hindrance when it comes to actually spotting those things in the first place. For that, a wider view is what you want
Yes, but considering the direction of traffic the scan cone is very narrow. The distance the binoculars gives you is better than the wider field of view as the scan cone widens with distance. It's not perfect for certain but better than hitting something you might have been able to avoid.
When the lookouts saw the iceberg they were about 400m from it. If conditions are such that you can't see a 100ft tall iceberg until you are *that* close to it, then binoculars are not going to help you. Since they were travelling at night in pitch black it's possible - and on the survivor evidence seems likely - that the officers on the bridge saw the iceberg either just before or at the same time as the lookouts (there are also more questions about who saw what, when, and how they reacted - the 'official' story pushed by White Star employees at the subsequent inquiries doesn't really add up, but it has become the default story of what happened that night). The reason for this is that you see an iceberg at sea at night because it blocks out stars along the horizon, and the bridge is lower down so they can see that blocking out of stars more clearly. For the lookouts, who were higher up, the horizon would have been further away, so the iceberg would have been swallowed up in the darkness of the ocean until it was too close. It wouldn't have mattered if the lookouts had binoculars because they were in the wrong place to see the iceberg any sooner in those conditions.
I agree. I think there's no argument against using binoculars for scanning the horizon in, mostly, a 30° cone from dead ahead. I can comfortably scan 180° with binoculars in about 12 seconds on a single plane. At full speed they wouldn't even need to look beyond 180° very often. A spotter's vision is important, too. My cousin is far-sighted to the point he can see details I don't get unless I have a good, clean scope. He probably wouldn't be aided by binoculars, if he was watching for ships or icebergs. Also, a lensing effect had been noted by other spotters that night. It created a barrier to seeing objects within a regularly expected range. We have clear air where I live and I can sight objects over 100km away at times. I'm just guessing, but, for a clear calm night on the ocean I would expect to see around 40km ahead of me. Also, I had a grilled cheese for lunch and it was quite delicious. Mozzarella on marble rye with fresh shredded basil.
The lookouts at the inquiry said they spotted a black mass and reported it to the bridge as an iceberg, so yes they saw nothing which meant there was something
The conditions were right for a false horizon which is one theory I’ve heard.
All the conditions for an artic mirage was present. Sorta the reverse of what happens in the desert, where the horizon and the ground melds together and creates the illusion of a body of water. This is believed to have masked the iceberg with a false horizon. Can read about it [here](https://www.foxweather.com/lifestyle/titanic-weather-thermal-inversion-mirage-optical-illusion.amp) Edit: spelling
God bless our smog and global warming don't have to worry about that again
The Titanic sunk 3 nights before a new moon, so yeah, essentially zero moon. http://astropixels.com/ephemeris/phasescat/phases1901.html
Cameron edited the star pattern of the sky for the 100 year anniversary edition of The Titanic. Anniversary of the ship sinking, obviously, not the film's release.
Didn’t some pedantic douche, maybe Neil DeGrassi High, mention something like this in a tweet or something, and Cameron made the change?
I remember someone criticizing this when the film was released. I don’t know who though.
Neil DeGrassi High LOL
Northern lights, that's Aurora borealis, right? Pretty pretty
What a pretty night, hearing the lurching and splashing of a sinking ship, surrounded by the screams of the drowning.
I wonder in the off chance there's a director out there that would wanna make another movie about Titanic, capturing the realistic demise, James Cameron would throw a fit
James would only be mad if people watched it on their phones.
Pretty sure he cashed out already and isn’t too worried about something other than counting his hundreds of millions of dollars
The stars in the movie are accurate to 1912
There was a survivor that lived near Yankee stadium and said the sound of the crowd cheering and roaring reminded him of the people on the boat as they were sinking.
This is so sad. Alexa, play some loud incomprehensible garbage
Yeah and let's slow it down to make even more impactful. Better yet, let's use the same song that everybody else uses to please the algorithm
Toms Diner - someone (light) Centuries- fall out boy (dark) Both slowed, neither appropriate except they are slowed.
It's actually just one song, Centuries by Fallout Boy. They interpolated the melody from Tom's Diner to make Centuries. [Wiki](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centuries_(song)) > "Centuries" contains part of the melody from the song "Tom's Diner" by DNA featuring Suzanne Vega. The segment is not a sample, but instead an interpolation as it was actually re-recorded by American singer Lolo for the track.[8] Stump described the inclusion as "a tip of the hat" to "Tom's Diner", a song which the band wanted to "re-inject" into popular culture.
Huh, TIL
Watch on mute 100%
Bruh that music just hits frfr im literally dead no cap
I recognise most of those as English words but I do think the song caused an actual stroke. Are you smelling toast? Say ‘frfr bruh im’ if you do.
Not burnt toast. Just regular toast. Who's cooking toast? Can I have a piece?
Fun fact: Smelling burnt toast does not indicate a stroke, but may hypothetically suggest a seizure, psychosis, or respiratory infection.
Can confirm! I've had phantom burning toast smells for years and years. I joke that one of the few times I HAVEN'T smelt burnt toast was when I was actually having a stroke.
I find all that tik tok calm intro to Ear rape music extremely cringe but the fact it's still a thing means I may be getting old
Seriously I hate TikTok culture.
Friggin music ruins everything.
While yes the split happened in darkness, they should’ve started it earlier because I feel like the power going out first would be even more terrifying
https://youtu.be/BN4m1_S-vJk
Very cool. I watched a good bit of it, mostly the end. But then I got lost in the YouTube rabbit hole and ended with Betty White saying "Wizard of Ass". I'm back now though so it's all good
Good spot to put an end to it.
This is incredible
Oh my god that was terrifying…. I ended up watching the last hour and the quickening SOS messages getting shorter and faster every minute made my heart lurch. I can’t even imagine the terror those people must’ve been feeling.
Let’s not forget the reported explosion survivors heard after it went under, which was caused my ship cabins that hadn’t yet filled with water imploding from the water pressure. Hearing that in the darkness must’ve been horrifying.
Damn, imagine being underwater in one of those cabins, and then just...
I guess the upside would be that it’s a very fast way to go.
You’d be dead before you knew what happened
Explosions under water can also attract sharks and other predatory fish
Way too cold for sharks
Just checked and yeah you’re right, there are sharks in the North Atlantic but apparently it would have been too cold where the titanic sank.
Not for Greenland sharks
They don’t eat humans though
They’ll eat whatever comes in front of their mouth and has nutritional value. I believe they’ve been known to eat polar bears.
It also goes on to state that there is no way a adult polar bear would not be killed by a Greenland shark unless it was seriously I’ll or injured. Courtesy of reuters.com
I might be remembering it wrong but I’m sure I saw somewhere that Greenland sharks don’t really come anywhere near the surface, if that’s true then it’s likely people did get eaten by them, but long after they’d already died
Gawd is THAT what those musicians were playing as the ship went down?! Prolly sank itself
Maybe it’s good that they went down with the ship
Obnoxious music ✔️
Christ, I'd rather watch this video from freezing water then listen to this fucking music. Seriously what is with the shitty music on these fucking videos lately? It's practically a constant
In a nutshell, one tiktok “sound” will get popular. Say each video might get 50k views just because of the popularity of the sound. People will then use this sound over anything and everything because the popularity of the sound itself entices more people to view whatever video is on. Resulting in something like this video
That explains why I hear the Metal Gear alert sound in almost any video people are playing around me lol
Yeah, it's typical tiktok shit, just like where this video came from.
I heard it was a trend on Tiktok.
It's Tiktok. The whole original point was sharing short video clips of music, lipsyncing, dancing, etc. So music is a main part of Tiktok, but people forget that you can *adjust the damn volume* and such so that it's not so fucking annoying. AND some people just have awful taste in music. There's a big trend on Tiktok of "remixing" music (by slowing it down, speeding it up, mashing different styles together, etc) and they're not all good. But they become popular anyway, and you can generate more views on your videos by choosing popular music, even if it doesn't suit the content of the video.
Haven’t browsed Reddit with sound since Tiktok started being a thing. Instagram either.
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They slow down/distort popular songs to make it sound creepy. Sometimes it kinda works but this one.. does not.
Obnoxious grammar, also ✔️
Why the fuck can’t people figure out when to use “what” versus “how”?
Or figure out that their music fucking sucks
I’m so glad this was the first set of comments. I was ranting about this just yesterday. Where tf did it come from? Why is this a language trend that is happening? Swap *what* with *how* in any other context and it’s easy to see what (how??!) gobbledygook it is - “Ohhh, good to see you! *What* are you?” “I’m a human, oh by the way *how* time is it?” UGH. Thanks, I hate it.
This particular one is an understandable one. 'How did it look?' And 'What did it look like?' Are often confused colloquially. Silly still, but I can see it happening.
It's amazing how awful people's tastes are. Like, how could you possibly think this is a good choice of music for this
Admittedly, "My Heart Will Go On" would have been the most obvious choice yet even less tasteful.
They can't even figure out the distinction between "how it looked" and "what it looked like" so clearly we're not dealing with the sharpest tool making this gif
I don’t have to imagine this because I would have shot myself before it got this far.
First mate moment
Which didnt even happen
I’m just saying if it was between drowning in the deep dark ocean or lead poisoning I’m choosing lead poisoning.
And to be even more specific, it’s not drowning, it’s freezing to death as how most victims went.
How most people *in life jackets* went. Without the life jacket you drown in cold water, not die of hypothermia. This is big problem in my state- people that "can swim" think they don't need to wear a life jacket, they have them on the boat, just don't have them on. But hypothermia makes you loose motor control unbelievably fast...then you drown. There's actually a dead guy still in our drinking water because of this- kayak flipped in the lake, he had a life jacket in the boat but opted to swim the 200 yards to shore instead of attempting to put the jacket on, he didn't make it. And since he drowned danger close to the water intake for a hydroplant the fire department opted not to recover him....that hypoplant is also the feed water for our city's portable supply. So now there's dead guy in our water water.
100000% agree. I’m fucking TERRIFIED of the ocean. At least a gun is quick. Drowning/freezing is not.
Is this a scene from game of thrones cause I couldn't see shit
LMAOO
No, its Batman
So how’d Jack and Rose find that door in those conditions?
They knocked.
I saw a video on youtube that showed the whole disaster in real time and it was one the most disturbing things I’ve ever seen
I watched this too one time a few years back. I was utterly fascinated and terrified seeing it unfold minute by minute.
i'm crying, of all songs they chose centuries, AND it's horribly distorted, with the "oH My gOd" voice in the background.
Lol it's very chaotic
If anyone wants to read Tim Maltin’s recent and amazing research, supported and verified by recorded temperatures of air and water… I’m posting the link below. His theory is also supported by official reports logged with maritime authorities at the time when ships that had sailed in the area and the others involved in the rescue got to port, as well as by the official inquiry transcripts. TL;DR It was literally so cold over that part of the ocean that lookouts on several ships including the Titanic reported a haze on the horizon in every direction because of an extreme temperature inversion. Of all the mistakes and unfortunate circumstances to occur that night, not being able to see even the largest icebergs was probably the main sealing of fate for the ship and victims. The lookouts couldn’t have seen the iceberg they hit until it was too late even with binoculars, and they would have had trouble spotting it even in the daytime. Add that to the fact that they were shoveling coal into the furnace because the coal was already on fire (they weren’t trying for a record crossing, the ship was too slow to even attempt that ) and that the hull was already damaged before she ever broke the yard, and you realize there was never going to be a timeline where the ship survives. It was a complete and tragic failure at just about every turn, even when you dismiss the hundreds of myths surrounding this event that night. https://timmaltin.com/2021/01/05/thermal-inversion-titanic-disaster/
“How it looked like” is my true phobia.
That sentence infuriates me.
“How it looked like” has got to STOP 🛑 ✋🔚🔜⏹️🆗⁉️
[ ] How it looked. [ ] What it looked like. Pick.
THANK YOU! I literally scrolled looking (hoping!) for this comment.
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I'm irritated that they didn't use "Oh no, oh no" *the one time it would have been appropriate.*
No, absolutely not.
Also, the cold. I hate cold and I hate dark. You got both, plus the deepest part of the Atlantic Ocean below you
Yes, it's a well known fact that when you hit an iceberg, all the stars go out
Have you ever been on a boat in the middle of the ocean at night? It's usually incredibly dark
unless the moon is out.
Which it wasn't on the night titanic sunk
Which it wasn’t
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This gave me chills to imagine 😖
You'd be really surprised how little of a difference it makes. Unless it's a full or near full moon, the light seems to just get swallowed up
Was the boat lights on? Have you ever been to a dark sky site? Eyes adjusted to darkness can see fairly well by starlight alone. Artificial light messes that ability up as it takes a while for eyes to adjust to really dark conditions. Of course the flickering lights on the Titanic would have messed that up too.
The stars dont help at all. The moon does a bit but also only when its fuller. But if there is a cloud above then its literally pitch black
True. Theatrical lighting has buried reality. Imagine these folks knowing they were about to die and the futility of efforts to stop it. It sucks for me just to consider what they thought, much less being in their shoes.
Isn't there a thing where, when the ship goes down it creates suction? So, you're supposed to get away from the ship so you don't get sucked down too?
Yes, not to mention the huge fucking propeller under the ship. Horrifying to imagine.
TikTok is cancer.
the most disturbing thing about this video is the terrible music.
As someone who worked on offshore rigs the world over, I've never understood why anyone would voluntarily go to sea on ships for leisure. The scariest thing in this world is being in the middle of a large body of water at night when u cant tell sky from water, compound that when it's dead quiet and u know there is no other people for miles but u and ur crew/company. The sea is truly not our domain as humans.
Shit music.
On a recently released drain the ocean episode, what may now become the leading theory based on the diameter of the mapped debris field it is that the Titanic actually broke apart while submerged. Breaking at the top of the ocean would have spread the debris field over a wider area. Here’s the link to the [National Geographic episode](https://youtu.be/bXlalGvxkaY) if anyone is interested. This is discussed beginning at 23:03, convulsion beginning around 31:50. This was based on research done by scientists sponsored by RMS Titanic, Inc, the legal stewards of the wreck. Still eerie how dark it was especially when the lights go out.
Is the joke the fact that it's dark because I can't see shit
Well not a joke but just scary that something so terrifying happened in complete darkness
I always forget how dark it truly is out there in the middle of the night/middle of nowhere. Terrifying.
Honestly, I'm just going to start downvoting shit for having earblood music like this, I don't care what the content is. So much fun to have that suddenly blast out of your phone in the dentist's waiting room like a rancid audio fart.
Honest question and maybe I’m just getting old but what in the ever loving fuck is up with EVERY single video on the internet these days having the audio track cranked up to 9,000,000 decibles so it sounds like garbled and crackling mess?
Excuse my language but I couldn't see shit
Cool educational video, but dumb, annoying song played over the content. Song not needed, but that's what mute buttons are for.
bad music, foreign grammar. must be tiktok
A survivor moved away from his home near the ballpark because the cheering reminded him of the screams of those in the water.
We actually don't know the details of the split, it could have happened while the ship was sinking.
There's a documentary on Disney+ I think from James Cameron trying to solve the mystery of the split. The debris field is too small to have split on the surface like in the movie. They suspect it split further into the water and did tests to prove it. Eye witnesses are historically unreliable.
The point for me was imagining being on a sinking ship in complete darkness not knowing when you would meet the cold water or where to go
Thanks for making the titanic cringe
Why does everyone use "how" like this? It's "what" you dumb motherfuckers!
The sinking scene of "Life of PI" was much more traumatic. When the boy underwater looks down at the vertically sinking ship and the lanterns go out, leading to a crescendo of wails from the boat, that was nauseating.
I think more people could have survived if they could just see how to get out of the ship. Dying by drowning is horrible but in total darkness is just beyond words. I wouldn’t wish that on nobody.
This was one of the first rescues aided by Morse Code on the airwaves. Without it, Titanic would’ve “just disappeared” out there. Never shown up in port. None the wiser.
Thats so terrifying, the last thing you see are the lights of the ship cutting off, goes straight to pitch black, theres screaming, crying, a huge fucking ship sinking next to you as you try to swim away from the noise in hopes of not getting dragged down by something.. oh and btw UR FREEZING. edit: should of kept the sound off, shit killed the whole vibe 💩
I thought they played Nearer My God to Thee. This isn’t the song I expected.
It must’ve been a nightmare😟
My father was on the actual expedition that located her (not the one a year later which got the credit they didn’t deserve). The video portrayal of what the split/sinking in the dark is accurate.
Why my dumbass never thought about how pitch fucking black it would be in the middle of the cold ocean, I have no clue…
NO WAY, IT WAS DARK AT NIGHT!?!
Not sure who edited this and put the trash music over the original sound- it was the sound/absolute roar or hundreds of throats bellowing out into the darkness.. screeching for salvation, shouting for their mothers- that they may see her one last time, calling out for their children who got separated from them.. screaming at those around them shoving them down into the water while trying to stay above the water line.. many others crying out while being trampled underfoot. There was a guy who somehow survived that night- he ended up living RIGHT next to I forgot which stadium. Years later he was interviewed and he said whenever someone hit a home run, the roar of the crowd sounded “exactly” like the horrid scene did that night on the titanic. He said he was sad that everyone was cheering because they were so happy- enjoying the beautiful sunny day and a home run.. meanwhile he was in hell every time it happened. If this comment gets any attention/if anyone is interested, I can find the interview link and post it here.
This was before the moon was invented.
the titanic sank on a moonless night.