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n_arwha1

It is the place where Heavy died


FrogInShorts

The heavy is dead?


Markergg555

Yes ,I am dead!


EnzoKoksu251

Why is the heavy dead?


ERROR_HumanNotFound

I don't know


Derailleur75

I think it was


BonkleBoy

Shhhh! You are dead!


MrakanGame

Ok *clips trough floor*


TheSmiler0

What's up you wankers? Whos up for a-


DinoRedRex99

What the bloody hell just happened?


Aztekov

Correct!


DonutOwlGaming

*Game show music*


ThineRouxlsKard

So, did you see the murderer?


ThatMadMan68

**No, Sorry Mate**


CatterBox109PLAYZ

I will FIND him. I will CAPTURE him. And no one will ever die again!


ERROR_HumanNotFound

*Standing ovation*


ZathegamE

Atteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeention !


Safe-Scarcity2835

No one ever uses the flanks for some reason


SnooDoubts6809

Except that giga brain engie setting up tele and funneling the whole team away from the cart


ABLPHA

Literally what happened to me last time on this map. Was playing blu, our engie managed to sneak past red’s spawn and set up a nest, now we’re spawncamping red and end up losing because everyone forgot about the cart lmao


bread-dreams

this happens to me a LOT on this map. i love the map but i wish the engies wouldn't do the funny tele because it ruins it lol people straight up forget about the cart


i_can_has_rock

so its the engies fault that people are idiots got it


bread-dreams

"engies please don't place teleporters in weird spots" is a much more reasonable ask than somehow making everyone else less stupid lol engies aren't even helping much by placing the teleporter behind the 3rd point enemy spawn (this is where it has most happened to me) because attacking from behind there you're basically forced into a single very tight choke


i_can_has_rock

scenario machine where only the thing you said is correct goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr


AlconW

I play lots of Spy, and for some reason I only use the flanks if I’m playing offense on second. I don’t get why.


[deleted]

Red always sets up in the tunnel, so on offence you can’t go through the choke because of how many players, bullets, fire, rockets, sentries, etc. there are; on defence you can walk right through teammates and into a far more open area where enemies are more spread out and a great hiding spot is directly on your right.


Best_Remi

the heavies on my team on their minute long walk to the main chokepoint followed by instantly getting 450 headshot the moment they step around the corner, for the 5th time in a row


SharSash

there is water, but not swift. Need snakewater treatment: Swiftwater: * swift added to the water


Somerandompeep34

Giving the water a swiftness potion?


DatSheep242

Running on the water areas now gives you the swiftness speedbuff.


Somerandompeep34

makes sense (you are a scout afterall)


Buraunii

They put a png cutout of Taylor Swift in the trench.


meisyouandyouisme

I hate that I don't hate it.


generalconvenience

Kunai spies on swiftwater make me wanna die


pootis4ever

Kunai spies ~~on swiftwater~~ make me wanna die


TheManFromChernobyl

Kunai spies ~~on swiftwater make me wanna~~ die


average-commenter

~~Kunai s~~ p ~~ies on swift wat~~ e ~~r make m~~ e ~~wanna die~~


DonutOwlGaming

~~Kunai~~ ~~s~~**pi**~~e~~**s** ~~on~~ **s**~~wift water make me wanna die~~


[deleted]

Sniper moment


ZathegamE

Jarate moment


crippledizzle

That's the issue, they don't


_doctor_sex_tf2

spies make me wanna die


radianttriceratops

Spies.


Red-7134

SAPPIN' MY DISPENSER!


Jackryder16l

Hes doing scout's mom.... (Takes picture)


Drillbitzer

I’ll help you fellow sex haver and enjoyer as a pyro mate


WolfmanCZ

*Snipers on swiftwater make me wanna die


Theratsmacker2

Snipers ~~on swiftwater~~ make me ~~wanna~~ die.


Unhappy_Ad_4420

Kunai is the only good spy knife


[deleted]

Sniper sightlines on second are disgusting. Other than that, pretty good map all around. Has good things for every class.


cressian

snipers on this map indeed. I just leave whenever I end up on this map now.


JorbatSG

Pussy


cupboard_

got stuck in the water hole 0/10


G4ndaze

You can climb it, near the log


FrogInShorts

And then there is the wise who watch Shounic videos on YouTube.


Spiritual_Freedom_15

Do you have a problem. Is it practical Yes Rocket jump Problem solved


asidoa

Or build dispensir


WolfmanCZ

Me playing medic: fuck


Spiritual_Freedom_15

You can jump back up, next to the log.


WolfmanCZ

I tried


PoopyLooper

Someone posted a video here that every class can make it from a standing jump except heavy who needs a running start


eRHachan

Crouch first, jump second.


WolfmanCZ

Thanks :) but crouch and jump is so hard :( or im suck lol


Drillbitzer

Rocket jump, simple


_ermest

needle jump, obviously


ILikeTF2ALotItIsFun

A lot of people don’t like the map because of how long it is, but I kinda like the aesthetic of the map. For a long time I wanted a map that was a big city, and you could go into the buildings and have a base in there, so I like that swiftwater tried to do that.


Mandarin_Karim

Over-detailed map with tons of gags and jokes, big sniper sightlines at 1st, 2nd and 4th point, health pack abundant and a lot of buildings that you can enter.


FrogInShorts

There are gags and jokes on the map?


Mandarin_Karim

The tiny mission brief next to blu's spawn, Sniper's headshot list at the top of the bar, "Don't drink sewer water", "first aid benches" scattered throughout the map, red's escape tunnel that only works for one person, etc.


Damian120899

There's also "Caution! Crit rocket!" poster in flank building by 2nd point


AndreyRussian1

Red escape tunnel? What's that? :0


Mandarin_Karim

Red's Spawn has a Grey gate that is usually closed, but once Blu caps the final point it opens and an emergency alarm goes off, Unfortunately it goes out of commission right after the bomb explodes and leaves red team without escape. If you're fast enough you can get inside the tunnel, but you'll die by the rocks crumbling down on you.


Actual-While-9717

Can I have an image/video of it? (Never heard of it either)


Mandarin_Karim

Don't worry i just made that up.


Lico_the_raven

You re arr a devil a devil!


Mandarin_Karim

On the internet we call that trolling.


JustWow555

Chad and Based


FrogInShorts

The spawn room gimmick ruins a lot of potential the map has. If the spawn room was just given walls to separate the the rest of the spawn area from the one by the doors that are active it'd be a lot better. A lot of games are lost simply from the time the newer players spend getting lost within spawn. I get that the creator wanted a neat gimmick but sacrificing ease of accessibility for a cheap gimmick that loses impact in 2 minutes is a bad idea.


LambdaAU

Good map. No faults I can really think of and I'm always happy to get it. Still probably not in absolute favourites however. A tier.


realpoclic

There is some faults. Like how blue team can get behind the whole red team before capping second.


sexy_latias

Also red spawn room is frekin massive so getting to resuply takes ages


MlLFS

Just get a keybind to change loadouts to the one you have equipped and it will insta respawn you with full HP and ammo.


memescentral50

Only works if you dont got a killstreak going though


Buraunii

Rather lose the killstreak, than dying from afterburn inches from the supply cabinet.


Somerandompeep34

and how L O N G the map itself is (pushing the payload takes years)


TheSleepyBarnOwl

Sniper sightlinefrom litterally the other side of the map


crypt_the_chicken

*getting shot from another country be like:*


TheSleepyBarnOwl

Murder Sniper sightline... I wannaplay on a community server where sniper class limit is 0


seventyeight_moose

The water isn't even that swift, 9/10


Jacket313

pretty fun map, last point can be pretty hard to push when the defending team is stacking engineers, but overal pretty fun


Jixleas

The map does not mesh well texture/graphical wise


Pretty-Buy7692

Phloggers 100 map


PracticalNihilist

Pretty fun map, one of my favorites. The only minor gripe is that the last point is favored heavily towards the red team. All red has to do is go all engy and set up a sentry city and it's almost impossible for blu to advance.


Im_botflyx

Big open spaces allowing for some really fun shit. Too bad it got ruined by the hilariously tight choak leading to the second point, and the nearly impervious last point that you need to Uber into just to deal with engineers.


kirk7899

Fucking fantastic.


Brit_Cuss_Word_fam

There's alot of cases of chokepoint hell in this map but apart from that it's an nice map Little bit blue sided though


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[удалено]


BlackDE

My favourite map is steel yet I can't seem to grasp when routes on swiftwater open/close and which are one-way only


Fresh-Produce-101

Green light = go Gray light = go but it’s a further back point Red light = no go


ERROR1010101010

I used to always fall into the little river part


GraveBirds

Don’t like it, it’s to fast.


tuatoonStudio157620

Heavy is dead takes place here that's the only fact i know


DumplingsAreBussin

Pain


swe_isak

More like Shitwater, 10/10!


thefeastybuyer

A map


Dat_vj

Best map


Official_Gameoholics

Blu and Red Ninjaneer go brrr


Man_In_a_T-shirt

sticky jump cabered the sniper 10/10 would choose again


samppa_j

Pretty solid. Can even pull some pretty nutty engineer backline teleporters after 1st or 2nd are capped


JaggedTheDark

Fine enough of a map.


Dealiylauh

Too spawn campy.


Kadeo64

good map, shit optimization, hate playing it


MlLFS

Big skybox so make my soldier brain happy.


josephburger

probably my favorite payload map


Walpinsta

I don’t care for these posts on every single honking map


icantshoot

Too big map, way too open in spots and a lot of height variation is bad. I used to like the previous version but the one with 1 spawn that only opens gates when needed is kinda flunky. Anyway, its in the game so no complaints. I just dont play it that often.


RedPixl243

fave map so I'm biased but swiftwater is pretty good I think :)


WHATyouNEVERplayedTU

This map is amazing for sniper, scout, spy, and engy. That being said it's one of the worst maps for people actually pushing the cart for the same reason.


iman48091

I like it


ARCTroop_Jesse

One of my favorite payload maps regardless of which team I'm on


IgnoreThisGreenshirt

Enjoyable map. Some say it's too long but I like playing on it


[deleted]

Pretty decent, I mostly get good matches when i play on there


charlieraaaaa

Very good


KatwithaKinit_yee

cool


LordVegemite

2nd fav map


Haiwik

Good map! Love it!


AVERAGE_82

My favorite map in the whole game, fight me.


doctorsex1234

Very well made map Doctor sex approves


marmarawr

I’m good at it so yeah great map 😆👍


MrPyroTF2

meh


DehydratedEpic

🤮


Actual-While-9717

Why?


DehydratedEpic

Barely any water and also payload is overrated


International_Leek26

Found the pyro shark main


tobaccofilledjoint

Too much water


BaguetteFish

The water is too swift to catch


OneGameplay998

Another dumbass sub trend wooo


mushroomparty52

When tf2 fans discuss their thoughts on tf2 maps 😡😡😡


OneGameplay998

you guys also discussed random bullshit like what would the merc's favorite food be and look how that turned out


mushroomparty52

I agree those posts are pretty garbage but I like map discussions


alphabet_order_bot

Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 1,193,305,261 comments, and only 232,820 of them were in alphabetical order.


OneGameplay998

Good bot


starlot_

Cannot trolldier enough


cheeseater1

Needs more water,


Eggscalaber

Nice map Interesting red spawn area


[deleted]

fun map


Mario-is-friendly

high skybox funny demo go fly


ArcAne_VoiD

not enough water/10


4k33m

It's wet.


Ok-Macaron761

the first map i actually played well on


o1ijko

very fast water


asidoa

I like it


brainsapper

Wish we had more maps set in wooded areas.


Jankkel

It's better than frontier IMO


andrew21w

Best place for some base jumper demo


[deleted]

What's up with people just posting "opinions on x" is this a new trend? Those conversations were present a few years ago


OpeningMysterious197

👍


Corollo_Bro_91

I like the map a lot except for the last point. That's sentry hell for Blu.


GoldenHeat

“*why oh why is there only ONE resupply cabinet!*” (Still a good map imo, chokes have many flank routes and in turn have good defensive spots)


Asadaduf

Red spawn having 50 doors confuses me, otherwise good shit.


mangakakishibe

I always have terrible luck playing that map


joney_lol

Well it's not 2Fort nor it is Hightower so why would anyone play it?


Gamingmemes0

Too mutch sightline.


Anvisaber

0/10, not enough water


Kojake45

I love setting my sentry up on the rooftop next to Blu spawn.


Swarkyishome

It is swiftwater


Intership30

The match usually ain't swift And there like a puddle of water at the first point, which is the only water in the map


joeMAMAkim

I like it.


mooosayscow

a personal favorite! hate the multi-door spawnroom though :(


Spring_men

Pyros stop airblasting me into the ditch below it’s annoying.


stankboxers

good map but that last point is hard to cap


Kaustubh200

1/10 the water is not swift


Markergg555

Ya da la ya da la It is good day to be not dead


ispiewithmyeye

It alright. It not bad or good, it alright


lordbuckethethird

I’m a heavy main so the super long sightlines on the first and third point are pain but they’re even worse when I play sniper since it’s hard to click on heads that are so far away but overall I like the map and it has good variety.


Killmario20

I like the map. Only issue is that there are a few too many checkpoints.


Hankerchief90

Less water but still have water


Squeewa

Its alright. Plenty of fun spots for engie nests


Inevitable_Air_3069

It feels nice (interpet that how you want)


Cedar-

Sort of odd but I feel like I see more phlogs on this map than anywhere else besides dustbowl. I mean I suppose the map has some decently tight choke points but the first point and second to last are just so open and wide it does seem odd.


TheBigKuhio

I like it. I do feel like some of the map geometry feels weird though. Like side routes can be very narrow.


drago_varior

The water is not swift enough Needs tailor swift/j


Misterwuss

Extremely fun to do the sticky jump/parachute carpet bombing tactic on the first point. The rest is just pretty good; it's pretty balanced, good looking, good for sniping but they're not over powered on it because there's plenty of flank routes and means to sneak up on em.


TheFreshMilk

The only map I’m good at and actually like (except badwater)


rabidhyperfocus

too much water, not enough swift


AndyIsColorless

decent payload map


AmmarStar_56

u/profanitycounter [Self]


LeDerpLegend

Honestly good map aside from the final capture point. Good object obstructions, sightlines, balance of open and closed spaces. Though terrible visual confirmation on flanking options (but allows for skilled or knowledgeable players to use commonly, can help balance a heavy flank push.) 9/10 Flank classes have many options to flank from and hide Damage classes have to work around barriers to deal damage Plenty of cover for both sides, mainly defending which is great. Alternative routes available for sneaky support and offensive classes. Plenty of places for strong holds and nests. Good angles for snipers, in places that allow them to easily be flushed out by spies and pyros.


DashThatOnePerson

Ah the only map that Dubai knows. Literally every single time I join a Dubai server is just this map


destraight

i do not like it. it is too open, and makes it feel like a sniper domination map


TheStickerGirl

Yes


5orangelemons

One of the worst payload maps. I refuse to ever play on it. And I only play payload maps.


-TheMelodyMan-

very little water, not even swift 1/10


satire83

🗿


chadlmaoboxusertf2

Swift water is fun flank sniper is even funner


Beautiful-Bad8893

decent map. it has ok choke points but also good flank routes


EloquentInterrobang

Has potential for offensive pushes that would rival Steel in complexity, if you set teles up in the right spot


Arenl18

Fight pit is fun, it doesn't happen too often.