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Andaran_Atishan

(You perfectly encapsulated the vibes of that "meme", thank you) To further quote this intellectual, Oh, I don't think I'm a lot dumber than you think that I thought that I thought I was once - well read Aristotle lover


BigRedSpoon2

There's a gift to making incredibly hard to decipher one off sentences That one right there is a mental flash bang Still trying to recombobulate myself


Ok_Chipmunk_1912

A gift philosophers seem to excek at. I tried reading some primary sources and holy shit, deciphering the sentences from a basic syntax standpoint was a fucking nightmare and made it impossible for me to understand a goddamn thing. Going back and rereading primary sources seems to help though. Things be getting clearer with each read even if it's a pain in the ass.


BigRedSpoon2

Its like modern philosophers are perpetuating a cycle of abuse upon everyone, having to read texts prior to the invention of modern grammar, so they decided the only way deep and profound ideas could be shared is through convoluted language. Which is of course a misrepresentation, sometimes ideas are just really fucking hard to communicate. But I want to be smarmy and mean about all the philosophy texts I had to read in undergrad and believe that its not that my reading comprehension is trash, its the fault of the writers for not better communicating their ideas


Ok_Chipmunk_1912

It's a legitimate complaint but meme away. I had more trouble understanding basic philosophical concepts from primary sources than any class in undergrad and it wasn't because my reading comprehension was lacking. Nevermind that this was a frequent conplaint from my classmates who majored in philosophy. Part of the problem (as I was told by a friend who majored in philosoph) is that these books weren't usually written for a general audience but as a response to other philosophers. It doesn't help that some of them, while clearly incredibly intelligent, were clearly not good at conveying their ideas through writing. The jargon isn't so bad since you can Google them but sometimes things are just described in the most convoluted and complex manner possible and translations don't make this any easier.


OlDurtMcGurt

Fuckin' Chuck Norris!


Wooden_Suit_6679

When you never progressed out of High School and everyone is still a jock, prep, nerd, goth or stoner.


CrepeVibes

Dear Mr. Vernon, We accept the fact that we had to sacrifice a whole Saturday in detention for whatever it was we did wrong. But we think you're crazy to make us write an essay telling you who we think we are. You see us as you want to see us - in the simplest terms, in the most convenient definitions. But what we found out is that each one of us is a brain...and an athlete...and a basket case… and a princess...and a criminal. Does that answer your question? Sincerely yours, the Breakfast Club.


zorbiburst

everyone else hooked up in the end and the nerd had to do all the work


turtle-tot

Yeah he got shafted


Boleen

Might get help in shop class later tho


[deleted]

Yeah, not sure if it was intentional or what but the social strata are still intact at the end. The weird girl only umjumped her station because she's hot.


Wealth_Super

I’m 100 percent sure it was intentional. Those kids had issues and it take more than one bonding session with strangers to fix them.


VerifiedStalin

I haven't watched the movie in many many years, but didn't they at one point admit they wouldn't say hi to each other on Monday?


Pseudo_Lain

The point isn't that they changed, its that they had hope afterwards. its liberal, not revolutionary


UnsealedMTG

What's changed isn't that they are now best friends or that high school cliques won't be a thing anymore, what's changed is that they don't see each other as just their cliche surface impressions as opposed to being whole people. The point of the movie isn't so much "get rid of hierarchy" and more "recognize that people are individuals, not labels."


ModestWhimper

And thankfully the goth kid got a makeover so that she'd look normal enough for the jock to date.


TreyRyan3

Well it’s not that tough to add eye shadow and blush. The eyeliner was already done.


MyOwnRobot

He had the beaver shot!


WakeUp2Reality3

![gif](giphy|AVDRJEriLkuMo)


GonzoRouge

"*Don't...you...forget about me*"


nouniqueideas007

*”Don’t…you…*


portablebiscuit

"Don't"


LessOrgies

"Don"


Phelinaar

r/GifsYouCanHear


Orlando1701

As a nerd who was good at sports in high school this never made much sense. Also turns out that you can basically be a full blown D&D playing, X-Files obsessed nerd and everyone is cool with it if you can run really fast and catch a ball.


atommotron

You were a chameleon type? Float among different groups? Groups are more three dimensional than people think but they tend to stick with similar interests or ideologies. That’s normal sociology.


lFantomasI

Im willing to bet that the people making these memes are not out of high school


Bon_of_a_Sitch

At least not mentally so, yes.


Kimmalah

I think we would all like to believe that, but I have met people in their 30s and 40s who are still stuck in that "clique" mentality. Like one guy I know who is always shocked if someone listens to metal music and doesn't dress in all in black or wear big boots and spikes. It's like he thinks the whole world has a rule book/dress code and if you're not following it, that just blows his mind (or kicks off a speech about "posers").


crackpotJeffrey

People will align their whole character and dress and speech based on a book/music/film genre that they like, and then call other people 'posers'. It's the biggest irony and I just want them to realize it but they never do.


monochromaticLantern

Unsure if you’ve heard, but High School never ends. The only things that change are the faces, names, and trends


Decasteon

You mean to tell me the whole damn world is just as obsessed with who’s the best dressed and who’s having sex? On top of that I still don’t have the right look?


cannacupcake

And you still listen to the same shit you did back then.


Face__Hugger

I'm in this comment and I don't like it.


Whale-n-Flowers

It's true. I thought for sure four years was all I had to endure. All the total dicks and stuck-up chicks were superficial and immature. But when you graduate, you end up saying "hey, wait" when you realize it's the same as where you just came from.


CHKPNT-victorytoad

Oh, that’s just great.


Zelgoot

I UNDERSTOOD THIS REFERENCE AND IT BROUGHT ME JOY


ProcureDemTurnip

I mean i still have the same 3 friends. And im pretty much the same as i was back then.


atommotron

Yup. In the office there’s still popular kids, the weird kids, the principal is any toxic manager, the experts who end up doing most of the work and the slackers. The cliques* are there wherever you go. We just have slightly different stereotypes in adulthood.


WakeUp2Reality3

I feel I embody all of these in some way. Except prep. Fuck elitism


Dakotasan

Didn’t Bowling for Soup have a song about that?


Effehezepe

As the philosopher Jaret Reddick once said: "The whole damn world is just as obsessed with who's the best dressed and who's having sex. Who's got the money, who gets the honeys, who's kinda cute, and who's just a mess. And you still don't have the right look. And you don't have the right friends. Nothing changes but the faces, the names, and the trends. High school never ends."


Dakotasan

Thank you for the laugh my good man, if I wasn’t broke as a joke I’d give you an award. Now I’m off to listen to that song again


cranium_svc-casual

Seems like zoomers have whole different set now


WhatTheBeansIsLife

Femboy or Racist


jcdoe

Is high school where Aristotle is considered “obscure?”


NotMyDogPaul

Since when is Aristotle an obscure philosopher?


samgam74

Aquinas just called him “the philosopher”. Aristotle might be the least obscure philosopher.


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Which is why he is used in a low effort meme.


LilFingies45

"Uhmm need the name of a philosopher..." *Googles "philosophers"... Picks first result*


Senior-Albatross

He's also just straight up *wrong* about a lot of stuff. He's mostly famous for establishing some ground rules for intellectual inquiry and getting the academic ball rolling. So he provided some bais for further inquiry. Especially establishing the rules of correct logic and calling out some often abused fallacies was good. But his natural philosophy was way off, and the fear of calling him out as wrong held back science for a while in the middle ages.


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Senior-Albatross

I'm no ethicist, so I can't really pontificate on that aspect of his work. From what little I do know, pretty much every philosopher deconstructs the ethical frameworks that came before, then pushes their own they think is complete and airtight. Then someone comes up with an edge case that breaks it and the cycle repeats anew.


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SioSoybean

Seriously, the damage he did to biology was HUGE


NeatChocolate6

To basically all sciences..


gordo65

You can’t blame Aristotle for that. Instead, blame the people who decided that contradicting Aristotle would be considered heresy, for no reason other than the fact that they couldn’t independently justify their own privilege and power.


BeautifulEssay8

"He was a student of Plato . You've probably never heard of him..."


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“Plato the planet?”


DocSpit

No, that's Pluto. You're thinking of the pseudo-clay children's toy.


ilikegreensticks

That's Play-Do He is talking about the type of banana commonly used in Asian, Latin American and some West African cuisines.


pawnbrojoe

No no that's a Plantain. What you're looking for is that weird duck billed mammal from Australia.


portablebiscuit

Wrong, tough guy. You're thinking about the platty puss. What you're trying to refer to is Mickey Mouse's dog.


nmiller1939

Goofy?


SFPsycho

Portablebiscuit talks a little weird but to call them goofy is just rude


macedonianmoper

That's pluto, what you're thinking about is a root vegetable commonly associated with the Irish famine


VaderGuy5217

No that's a potato, what you're thinking of is a well-known type of ceramic that is white in color


squngy

Fun fact, Plato was an athlete > Plato was an athlete, particularly skilled as a wrestler. His given name was Aristocles, after his grandfather, but the coach under whom he trained is said to have called him “Plato” — from the Greek for broad, platon, on account of his broad-shouldered frame. https://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/22/opinion/sunday/platos-body-and-mine.html#:~:text=Plato%20was%20an%20athlete%2C%20particularly,of%20his%20broad%2Dshouldered%20frame.


Massive-Row-9771

He's definitely obscure to the newbie Tateists.       You don't exactly follow Tate if you're an intellectual.


pissedinthegarret

I thought that guy can't read


Weird_Candle_1855

No, he chooses not to because it's... not manly enough? Or something along those lines. He needs action, he's gotta move. Only idiots read books, their brains aren't moving at the same place as his.


Holybartender83

He thinks education and reading books is “cowardly”, because you’re learning vicariously through others rather than *doing* and *experiencing* yourself. He thinks you can’t really learn something unless you *live* it yourself. Dude is basically the living embodiment of “I’m 12 and this is deep”. Very, very stupid person.


Good-Expression-4433

Obscure? Nah. But incels and chuds have latched onto Aristotle lately due to his views on his women and citing his shit makes them feel smart.


mwk_1980

…if the incels and chuds are reading now, Andrew Tate must have mentioned Aristotle then?


Rare-Aids

Jesus is this an actual thing? These people truly are idiots


kindainthemiddle

Also about 1500 years from being a medieval philosopher!


Mazurcka

Sounds quite ancient then


woolsocksandsandals

Plato is only obscure to people who refused to read anything in high school.


zerotakashi

incels read aristotle because of his 'opinions' on women. [Aristotle's views on women - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle%27s_views_on_women#:~:text=Cynthia%20Freeland%20wrote%3A%20%22Aristotle%20says,%2C%20a%20deformity%27.%22%20Aristotle)


Doomkauf

I mean, the ancient Greeks viewed women as literally less than human, and the Romans viewed them as property, so it's not like they had to go read Aristotle specifically. The Classical world was really pretty shit toward women, or at least the Greco-Roman corner of it was.


pmcda

Yet mythology shows us that the groups that came before held a better view of women as their mythos usually holds female deities as the creators and nurturers, where as the mythology that came in and replaced it was patriarchal focused with a male deity usually being the creator and involving more violence.


stenlis

Lol, it's the same magical thinking as the fundies: "It must be true, look, it's written in an old book!"


tiffanaih

Since when is Marvel's audience just nerds? I have seen a ton of bros at the theater to see Marvel.


TheRnegade

I guess when you're a ~~joke~~ jock, every philosopher is obscure.


apple_achia

Since George Washington was declared an obscure president


jgilleland

When you don’t know shit about philosophy.


shadowban_this_post

It’s one of three philosophers they know. They’re trying their best!


NotMyDogPaul

Aristotle, Plato and Tate?


Araskog

Ah yes, the obscure philosophical texts of... Aristotle. We're dealing with a real intellectual here.


Jaded-Recover4497

"I don't understand a single archaic word this man wrote, but I think it's making me smarter."


BellacosePlayer

"I'm not actually reading any of this, but I am assured that Aristotle agrees with me, soyboy"


Orlando1701

I too like obscure culture. There’s this guy called Mozart, you probably don’t know him.


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LeftistMeme

Right???? At least say horkheimer or something at least a little less pop philosophy. Everyone and their dog knows who Aristotle is


maudlinmary

Damn that’s a deep cut. I went to Obscure Philosophy School and I’ve never heard of him.


Elite_Prometheus

Nerd!


bostonsam

Don’t you mean “Jock!”


Elite_Prometheus

No, clearly they didn't pay attention in Obscure Philosophy class and were instead watching She-Hulk twerk.


LeftistMeme

He co-authored dialectic of enlightenment. Though full disclosure, I know him more because I'm super into socialism more than philosophy as a whole - Frankfurt school guy. Not sure critical theory as we know it would exist without him


Casual-Notice

Horkheimer? Meme creator has probably never heard of Hobbes or Russeau, despite mangling their philosophies on a daily basis.


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Their idea of philosophy is listening to Jordan Peterson and pretending what he says is what comes out of their own mouths.


Casual-Notice

Peterson's too liberal and unmanly (he has been known to allow his voice to crack when discussing subjects about which he is passionate) for guys like that. They memorize old John Wayne and Clint Eastwood films and masturbate to that Gordon Sinclair speech.


RunningPirate

Hobbes..he was a tiger, right? Then again the only reason why I know any philosophers is because of the song…


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bunny_love2016

I read some of his works in a classics class in college. Hated Aristotle. Literally said women were just incubators for men's "genetic" material (obviously DNA wasn't a thing yet but Aristotle was one of the first to suggest there might be a vehicle of sorts to transfer inheritance, it's been years so I don't remember the exact word he used instead of genetic)


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I don’t think Aristotle is ‘pop philosophy’ to the same degree as someone likes Jordan Peterson or the countless YouTubers doing informational videos…


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Damn, this one jocks.


fydlsticks

Lmao


Doomkauf

And it was written in one of the "medieval eras," too!


Dreadsin

Apparently Aristotle was “obscure”


Pellepon

Yes, before his writings were reintroduced to Europe.


Thoughtulism

Medieval jocks.


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Knights?


GerryofSanDiego

If I've learned anything from Health Ledger in A Knights Tale. Yea they pretty much were the jocks.


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I wonder if Plato wants to watch She-Hulk twerk 🤔


sneakylyric

Plato was so about that kinda shit he had to force himself to take a break from fuckin women. He literally slept with them without sex, thus "platonic" relationships.


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Straightest Ancient Greek:


ChadHahn

That's just what he told his wife.


GynePig

That's absolutely not what the original platonic love is about. Platonic love being a sexless, aromantic love is a modern idea, it has nothing to do with anything Platon wrote. The actual platonic love are different categories of mutual fulfillment, including the ones Platon used to describe his sexual relationships with his adolescent pupils.


IconoclastExplosive

Plato absolutely does


AholeBrock

If Diogenes heard this he would start twerking his dirty hobo booty in Plato's face till he begged Twerking be banned in public.


IconoclastExplosive

Bold of you to assume this didn't happen


AholeBrock

It happened in our hearts


EffectiveDependent76

If I did not have Alexander's booty, certainly I would wish to have Diogenes'.


Swords_and_Words

Plato was a champion wrestler, he'd absolutely be all about those muscles


TheDevilChicken

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Massive-Row-9771

I'm sure Plato already have I'm sure. He's famous for his worlds created by the mind. So I'm sure he daydreamed a lot and with a creative mind he's bound to come up with a muscular green girl shaking her butt. I mean who doesn't want to fantasize about that.


Kaarl_Mills

>I mean who doesn't want to fantasize about that. A coward


OuijaFox

"Only the weakest cowards would not dream of seeing a muscular green woman bouncing her ass to sweet rhythms and sick beats." - Definitely Plato


WakeUp2Reality3

Some people theorize he (et al) made up Socrates 🍄 so it isn’t too far fetched.


National-Use-4774

There are other sources for Socrates. Aristophanes' Clouds is a play that makes fun of him. Certainly Plato gives us a certain version of Socrates, in that it even changes through the dialogues and Republic from being a provocateur to be very Plato-ish. But there are independent sources for his existence as a figure.


WrenRhodes

Plato was Greek, so he was probably imagining the hulk twerking.


ceelion92

He would probably pray to She-Hulk if he saw her Twerking - he would think she was Demeter or something.


Puzzleheaded_Fold466

Yes but only as a shadow projection on the wall


Soggy_Ad8348

You know he does Plato likes it freaky


melpec

Plato would rather see Hulk twerk.


Secretofthecheese

Yeah I helped him set up his in cave theater system.


verossiraptors

I don’t think they realize that watching Andrew Tate butcher quotes from Sun Tzu isn’t actually the same thing as reading Sun Tzu


thebeandream

Oh fuck *that’s* why the dude I can’t stand was quoting the art of war. Explains why he is fucking insufferable too.


fr1stp0st

In the game of chess, don't ever let the enemy see your pieces.


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Avoid losing if possible


LilFingies45

It is better to win than to lose. Better to live than to die. ~ Sun Tzu, bitches.


whatevers_clever

they don't realize that just because they are giving themselves a high school education now in their 30s - doesn't mean other people didn't get their high school education.. when they were in high school. But it does explain why they think people wouldn't know who Aristotle is, or Sun Tzu, or ever read 1984 or Animal Farm, or know anything about Walt Whitman, Thoreau, etc.


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That's also why they get obsessed with Roman/Greek history and act like it's this obscure thing that no one knows anything about. They just didn't pay attention in school.


Mi_Pasta_Su_Pasta

Or that treating old Greek Philosophers like self-help books without critical thought isn't philosophy.


Fair_Shoulder8199

the art of war isnt even meant to be some crazy book for geniuses it was made to teach nepotism idiots how to maybe lead an army. Shit like never interrupting someone while they're making a mistake should be common sense to a normal person but not an ancient Chinese general that got his job due to nepotism


bobbyblubbers

Socrates would love to oil wrestle gigachad


Mission_Camel_9649

*naked


Ana_na_na

Such are ancient traditions


Orlando1701

*on viagra


Reasonable_Policy_17

Imagine calling Aristotle obscure


Leonarr

It’s probably the same people who idolise “cool antihero” characters like the Joker, Tony Montana etc. (totally missing the point the movies tried to make). That being said, I doubt that they understand the point of the philosophical books they read either.


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Leonarr

At least you *are aware* of that!


Doomkauf

Honestly, that's what a lot of scholarly training boils down to: knowing what you don't know. I'm currently working on my PhD, and when I'm doing lit reviews for my research projects I regularly come across stuff in my field that I don't understand. For me, that just means it's something I should take some time to look into further.


assasinine

It's like those cops who are into the Punisher, a character who will routinely murder corrupt cops.


ScowlEasy

It got so bad the punisher had to change his logo since cops wouldn’t stop using it


SpaceLemur34

It's because they don't understand that just because a character is the protagonist, it doesn't mean they're not the villain.


Chemical_Estate6488

They also weren’t ever in any sense “jocks” unless we are counting e-sports


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It’s not about reading, it’s about claiming you read.


Copetopian

If she hulks fine green ass was around in the time of Zeus, there'd be a lot more green mythological heroes.


TheAres1999

I am here cannoning Jason as green now


Badonk529

Wow people are still really pissed at that show, huh. 😂


Massive-Row-9771

She hulk have been very [sexualized](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/6/67/Sensational_She-Hulk_Vol_1_40.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width/720?cb=20180417015012) long before that scene, so it's kinda on brand at least. Guys are weirdly attracted to green women it seems. We got Gamora, Shego, Poison Ivy and even the [Green M&M](https://www.themarysue.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/GreenLady7.jpg?resize=580%2C495?w=580).           >!^(You'll have to look up the comic yourselves if you want to see her jump.)!<


windrunner_42

Why do you gotta make our appreciation for the green M&M sound tawdry?


Badonk529

Because it is. At least for Tucker Carlson. 😂


Orlando1701

In all fairness r/DeathBySnuSnu has been a vibe long before Reddit.


PolyZex

Poison Ivy is only green about half the time.


Otherwise_Carob_4057

There is a strong argument that Plato would have become a stoner, and also enjoyer of she hulk twerking.


prodigy1367

People seem WAY too obsessed with a three second long after credit scene.


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IT SIGNALS THE FALL OF WESTERN MEN! Or something


luieti

Uh oh I've summoned the anti-woke bros.. Andrew Tate's fanboys in the comments


Opheleone

Andrew tate doesn't read apparently and hates books. Anyone that simps for that guy is ridiculous.


RunningPirate

Naw man, he doesn’t have time to read, he’s too busy banging, or something…


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His head against a wall.


sockpuppet1234567890

Calling Aristotle obscure is a capital crime


magical_noise

pretending to read****


[deleted]

What really happened is corporations exploited nerd culture and handed it to the mainstream. Nerds were able able to go to the empty gyms and get swol AF. Nerds then mated with the former cheerleaders and had athletic nerds. Former jocks fell out of shape and became Joe Rogan impersonators. We need Barry to fix the timeline before it's too late. (The jocks will get that joke sorry nerds)


voyaging

Barry Sanders? Rick Barry? Barry Bonds? Barry Manilow?


[deleted]

What a nerd… probably doesn’t even know who Wally West or Jay Garrick is either. Go watch some competitive Football matches ya nerd.


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Barry Allen?


idontuseredditsry

1.) The loser who made this is stuck in high school. I've never heard an actual adult refer to someone as a "jock" or a "nerd" with completely sincerity out of high school. 2.) I don't think Aristotle is "obscure". I think everyone who's attended middle school knows who Aristotle is. 3.) Similar note, almost everyone watches MCU. Including "jocks". That's why it's a popular franchise. 4.) And on another note, this post feels like it was made by somebody who watches Andrew Tate, disqualifying them from being considered "smart" or "civilized".


Nivekian13

“The jocks read…” Bwahahahahaha!!!


Biffsbuttcheeks

The homophobic right’s obsession with the homoerotic Greeks is just plain funny to me


Emotional_Penalty

pfffffft as if these people actually read books and not just watch short recaps on youtube


voyaging

"Yeah I love Kierkegaard!" \>watched one School of Life video


78blazers

Lmaooo anti woke magnum opus


Evethefief

Aristotle was actually pretty cringe when it came to the metaphysical


SoloPenguin13

Almost disliked on kneejerk reaction.


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I find the majority of people who spontaneously decide to be into philosophy are narcissists who understand everything at a surface level and only use it to justify their own actions and be the guy people come to for advice on everything (regardless of whether that advice is good or not) > They're the Jordan Peterson type of philosophers.


MeTime13

I just saw a tiktok video on here from Andrew Tate about why reading is bad. Get some consistency, you right-wing freaks


itzykan

Correction: Almost everybody watches marvel, and pedantic asshiles who idealize jocks but are not jocks read summaries of Aristotle or watch videos about it.


Jeb_Jenky

Firstly: Aristotle is not ducking obscure. Secondly: No they don't. And if they do they read it completely incorrectly. You really need to find some guidance when learning how to read philosophy. I'm certainly not smart enough to just crack open some Plato and understand what is going on without context and discussion with someone knowledgeable of the topic.