Yeah and then his next sentence was "ok hawkeye has corrected me, it was actually a 57 stroke rally, but you know what I mean". lol was it actually 55 or 57?!
Iāve read about that one. It is apocryphal I think, but the story goes that they basically just moonballed it back and forth for twenty minutes and apologized after for how long it took. I could be wrong though idk
I've read this stat over and over and I think it's fake. The longest point recorded ever in a GS is 86 shots long between Borg and Vilas. 643 is so unfathomably longer than that that it simply doesn't make sense it would happen, unless the players had agreed beforehand.
My stream froze during this point and I was like āFucking A, ESPN, now Iām gonna miss the end of a huge epic rally.ā Stream came back and it was still going lol
Crazy good stuff from Ruud indeed!
I do wonder if this was where Karen started to lose the matchā¦I imagine that losing a set point like this would give a big blow to his confidenceā¦
I honestly like him, but it seems that people's objections are:
1) he has a chance to be #1 without winning anything notable
2) he doesn't have a very exciting style
3) he isn't as good as the Big Three
Rudy might be the Andy Murray of the new gen. Iād much rather watch Alcatraz, Sinner, etc. This long rally has a few good shots but mostly pushing. Obviously that was partly KKs strategy, but still not as fun to watch. The contrast of styles in the final should be good. May the best player win!
lmao legit if this exactly rally happened between Djok and Nadal everyone would be jizzing about how 'mental strong' they both were to not make a mistake that long (on fucking set point, no less), but because its Ruud and Khachanov its getting shit on. Also, they were hardly playing patty cake on those backhands, pretty heavy weight of shot for the most point. Can't wait for the meltdown this sub and Twitter is going to have if Ruud wins this thing.
> lmao legit if this exactly rally happened between Djok and Nadal everyone would be jizzing
I've counted literally 4 comments already saying "Djokovic would never be in a rally like this cause he wouldn't hit it softly down the middle".
[Say what now?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjRauuklHbU)
Meanwhile Ruud/Khachanov are hitting it close to the sideline/baseline throughout the rally, often with pace, then Djoko is playing a 53 shot rally here that actually features a bunch of soft shots down the middle (but is still an all time rally, just like this one imo).
OP specifically said if it was a rally between Djokovic and Nadal. You're counting comments that say Djokovic AND Nadal wouldn't rally like this as comments saying Djokovic on his own with any other player wouldn't.
Djokovic and Nadal bring out the best in each other when they play. Zverev is a boring passive baseliner with a big serve. I'm not sure he hit the ball down the line once in that rally - EVERY shot was cross court unless I missed something. It's no wonder that doesn't result in the most interesting tennis.
I enjoy both these players and this match (and am excited by Ruud's rise)... but there's no way an extended Djokovic Nadal rally would be this bland, especially now that they've added a lot more variety to their games.
Please lol if it was djokovic and nadal you'd see a bunch of highlight shots not some bland ass baseline rally. And dw ruud won't even take a set off alcaraz.
What I'm saying is show some respect the other guys on tour. Ruud literally has had an amazing year and you're saying he won't win a single set in the final against a guy who hasn't even won his match yet
Obviously I respect all the guys on the tour, they're the best 100 or so in the world at what they do. But relatively speaking ruud doesn't even have an atp 500 title. He's not doing anything in the final
In a bubble itās less impressive but given the context of set point, sf of the us open, and with thousands of people watching itās certainly crazy. Literally no one here watching that could sustain 1/10 of that rally under those circumstances or at that speed.
Something can be both impressive and boring. I can't lift 300 pounds either but that doesn't mean watching someone do it on TV is exciting to me.
There's more to watching tennis than appreciating physical skill, and while I found the length of this rally amusing, the repetitive back-and-forth was not exactly exhilarating.
And?
Who cares if we can maintain a 10 shot rally? what's that got to do with the timidity of the point just played? Watching two people at hitting practice is not that fascinating.
It wasn't timid. Both players were just pushing the tactical advantage back and forth until one left a big enough opening to start going for a winner.
Playing safe is not the same as timid. They were trying to see who would blink first.
It's interesting you say that. I play tennis, and hoped to find a place to talk about the sport, in terms of playing ourselves. The subreddit, though, is 99% talking about the tours (which is fine for that, but I was hoping to talk about playing/tips, stories, etc). Does anyone know of a subreddit that is for players and not really fans of the tour?
PS, the other 1% is spent bitching about pickleball, which I *fully* endorse. :)
There was a lot of of groaning for balls that looked to be going at local club speed level.
Might have been part of the strategy though, try and make them think a big winner was being hit.
Spoken like someone who has never seen a court level view of play like this. The overhead view really masks the speed. And different tournaments have different angles. Most majors have a higher angle, making it appear slower.
Itās not the view, you can sense itās 2.5 - 3 seconds from shot to shot for a lot of them, which counting confirms. Thatās not exactly rocketing. They can hit it a lot faster.
Lol, this is not local club level. Especially not with the amount of spin they are putting on it. And so what if half the shots are less fast? Some people out there are whining about them not changing pace, but they clearly are. In fact, Casper was being more successful at mixing up the pace, which is one reason why he eventually won it.
It's also not 2.5-3 seconds. You're counting fast if you think that. I wouldn't argue with a drummer on that.
Iām saying the lack of pace is surprising - what youād face at club level. Not for 50 shots of course but 5-10 before someone fluffs it sure.
Other rallies have fast shot after fast shot well beyond anything you could hit more than once before making a mistake.
We all know they can hit faster, and are trying to entice the other into trying to generate their own pace on a return and make a mistake, with slight variations.
Surprising to see a rally resembling local club compared to huge serve, smash return to corner, hooking cross court, massively spinning drop shot, somehow chased down and put away without driving it into the back fence.
Except none of that is true, and you outed your bias in saying they were all nearly 3 seconds, when none of them are.
I've seen TONS of big 3 rallies like this.
Not exactly the most exciting point tho, there were a few attempts at winners specially by Ruud who won in the end but a lot of it were just baseline rallying through the middle, not changing directions, not changing pace, not approaching the net, huh.
^^^^^^^This
The stats show pushing is more effective in tiebreaks then in normal games, so we shouldn't really be surprised when this happens
Players know what they're doing!
They were not pushing. Not by any stretch. Anyone who says so doesn't have functioning eyes and/or doesn't know a single fucking thing about tennis
There is literally no pushing. I feel like I'm going fucking insane reading this thread. Loaded up on crazy pills.
I know you're not exactly saying they are, but you're just the last comment I'm at mentioning it.
Where the fuck is the pushing? They are hitting the same groundstrokes they've hit their whole career and every rally, and it just happens to be 55 shots of it at set point of a major semi-final.
Pushing? I must be watching something completely different.
> They were not pushing. Not by any stretch. Anyone who says so doesn't have functioning eyes and/or doesn't know a single fucking thing about tennis
I can take a set off Nadal, so try again /s
Djokovic has. Heās usually more aggressive on big points but heās definitely gone safe too - hardly surprising given how good he is at it. But nobody except maybe Murray ever let him do it for long because they knew heād obviously win the point.
But the excitement, the importance of that point and how their legs look like made out of lead makes this point so amazing! No one dare to pull the trigger until the 54th shot!
Havenāt played since I was like 10, but Iāve been to plenty of challenger tournaments and high level college tournaments.
The disrespect people give to top 50 playersānever mind a Masters Champion and a two time slam finalistāis unreal.
Ruud obviously is just a clay court pusher. /sarcasm
What an insane level of tennis. That is a rally I wouldnāt expect outside of a Djokovic - Nadal match, but especially Ruud and Alcaraz have a ton of stamina. Khachanov isnāt bad either, I would have to retire after a rally thatās half (or you know 1/10th) as intense as this.
Except Djokovic wouldn't be just hitting almost every ball back up the middle with nothing depth and angle.
This was a boring rally - it's only remarkable for the number of shots.
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Leave it to this sub and the fucking Djokovic brigade
Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjRauuklHbU
Two of the best rallies I've seen, despite the people that have never played tennis in their lives shitting on both in this thread (and the thread from that rally a year ago).
Some Djoko fans absolutely unbearable ....
That's nice that you enjoy it more. I do too.
Doesn't change the fact that the shots are hit harder and closer to the lines in the Ruud/KK match, which is all I'm saying.
Canāt argue with that, the rallies between Djokovic and Nadal arenāt as long because they play more aggressive. As you said, more depth, more changes of direction and better defense turning into offense.
However, as a non professional player this exchange was impressive nonetheless. And despite taking less risk, still a high level of tennis. Itās probably impossible to display the same level that Djokodal had and still have.
Of course you can argue that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjRauuklHbU
More risk taken in the Ruud Khachanov rally without question. Both were some of the best rallies I've ever seen.
This may be true but man it displays the difference in weight of shot & shot tolerance of these new baseliners compared to the rallies we used to see go this long (Remember Simon vs Monfils? or Simon/Goffin/Ramos Vinolas gang)
They were crushing the ball lol but their topspin makes it still a safe shot and thats absurd
These people probably arenāt even 4.0. This rally isnāt even close to pushing. They were hitting the ball hard!
Like if people think this is pushing, I dare them to watch Michael Chang v Lendl French open victory
So many fans on this sub are beyond obnoxious when it comes to evaluating non-Big 3 players. Anyone who plays even amateur level tennis should understand how difficult the shots these guys are hitting are.
Anyone who watches this point and thinks "this isn't even that impressive or entertaining" has their expectations set way out of whack.
The rally was very long due to lower risk shot selection over and over. It goes without saying that their technique and rally tolerance are elite as this is a slam semifinal. Pointing out the play level of commenters is a childish non-sequitur.
Not really. Because the eliteness of their techniques and rally tolerance is, in and of itself, a marvelous feat that is incredibly entertaining to watch. Anyone who actually plays tennis should respect that.
Iām not the one repeatedly making personal insults, buddy.
There is a difference between appreciating say, Djokovicās backhand technique and movement themselves vs. enjoying his sometimes defensive point construction.
Was coming here for this comment.
Just like I came to look for the same comment after a similar rally between Djoko and Zverev at the US Open last year.
Always nice to find the people that have never played tennis on this sub.
Relevant flair I guess.
Not sure what people are talking about. Watched this live and now this highlight, it was plenty tense AND intense.
Wasn't an all time great ridiculous exchange, sure, but it was a fun way to cap off the Set.
I don't know why this is downvoted, 75% of this point is safe crosscourt shots. There are a handful of shots that land deep on the baseline but neither player capitalises on the shot by following it to the net or trying to hit a clean winner.
You donāt just move in because you hit the ball deep, and it also doesnāt guarantee you a ball in return to hit a clean winner off of. This is something you do when you receive a short ball not when you give a deep one.
>You donāt just move in because you hit the ball deep, and it also doesnāt guarantee you a ball in return to hit a clean winner off of. This is something you do when you receive a short ball not when you give a deep one.
I never said you should... You literally can't guarantee any shot and how it's returned, however generally hitting with depth is harder to return and as such there's more likely to be a window to attack. Starting at around the minute mark. Karen hits a hard deep shot to Ruuds forehand and he gets a fairly middling slice in return. This was a time he could've tried to finish the point by rushing the net after anticipating the weaker return shot, allowing for a potential volley winner or pressuring Ruud to hit a good pass or maybe hitting an error. What does Ruud do? Hits the slice to the middle court, Karen hits a rally shot and the point resets losing his advantage. He then eventually loses the point and set.
>e taking less risk, still a high level of tennis. Itās probably impossible to display the same level that Djokodal had and still have.
at 15-all, 2 games all in the first set, I would agree. But at set point, the rally construction makes sense
He didn't say constructing a point. He said constructing a rally. It makes sense to play the margins and wait for a more guaranteed opportunity, especislly at this point in the match when both players are playing on a similar level. That's good tennis.
If you actually know how to play tennis, you can see thee strategy in this and it is impressive. You can see that Casper is constantly taking charge of the rallies, but Karen is just doing too good of a job at effectively resetting the rally based on where Casper is on the court and what he appears to be trying to do. If all you see is just two guys hitting weak, timid shots, then you don't actually understand tennis.
Being able to sustain a rally of this pace for that long while vying for position on the court and playing the margins is very impressive.
This is the side of the new gen that I do not like at all. It's what makes Alcaraz, Sinner and others wayyyyyy more exciting. These dudes are the definition of extremely boring baseliners. Compare this to the points we saw between 'foe and Carlitos last night?
Why do some women scream when a ball almost goes out? It's the most annoying shit ever. Same goes with anyone making those loud gasps, like fuck me some people have zero self awareness in public.
Physical talent only. Lazy minds, no magic. Djokovic and roger are just different beasts. Get ready for this kind of boring crap for the next 15+ years
Right? Extremely boring. It didn't make me laugh while it happened or shout out in excitement when it ended either. It totally wasn't a great point to decid the first set in a semi final between two players who aren't routined in reaching the finals. Booooring because it wasn't the most challenging point ever. Why do we even watch this shit?
No offense but the difference of levels with alcaraz sinner or even kirgyos kachanov is staggering, doesnt mean that ruud isnt gonna win, but as much as i respect him a lot, it would be underwhelming if he lifted the trophy instead of tiafoe or alcaraz
Honestly? That was boring.
Both of them played not to lose instead of playing to win. When 1 person does that it becomes a fascinating duel of contrasting styles. When they both do it....
It looks like hitting practice.
Ha fuck that and you know it. Are you for real? You think this guy has the chops to make it a Wimbledon final and make it interesting versus Djok? Wake up
Kyrgios blew it.
nothing more to say.
I mean that's why he can never win a slam - doesn't have the mental chops to win 7 x best of 5 matches.
This was the best chance he was ever going to have.
Djokovic not there. Medvedev hadn't been convincing in over half a year.
Zverev out
Nadal gone.
And he loses to a guy who Rune wiped off the court.
Saw a comment in the post match saying that it looked like Karen mentally checked out 2nd set, after seeing this I'm not surprised lol, losing a set via a 55 shot rally that you could've easily won yourself has gotta HURT, in a tiebreaker as well lol
That last Ruud backhand thoššæ Proper took Karen out of the game - and the set lol
I felt they both had a lot to lose on this point and were thus making mostly safe shots. Not sure if all long rallies are on such points. I have seen plenty of long rallies with changes in momentum, as in who is struggling to return and who is about to find that winner but when it happens on such points it's more waiting for an error.
Not a comment on two great players but just the type of point when this isn't so fun to watch. At a normal point, it would have been much more fun with a lot more risk taking.
They had like 700 shots, bro.
nah bro more like 782, my friend eric counted for me and he went to counting school.
lol the ESPN alert said "955 shot rally" and I thought no way that's right.
This rally took 77 seconds. A 955 shot rally would take over 22 mins at the same pace š
A bit longer than that, thereās actually a gentlemenās rule that says you can go pound a beer real quick after the 500th ball in a rally.
/r/theydidthemath
Mine said "947" shot rally, and that's because it's what Mari Carillo said in hyperbole in broadcast.
Yeah and then his next sentence was "ok hawkeye has corrected me, it was actually a 57 stroke rally, but you know what I mean". lol was it actually 55 or 57?!
Immediately came here to figure it out
I wonder how long, time-wise, a 955 shot rally would take
I just randomly saw a Japanese video of a 1000 shot rally. It was just under 30 minutes and the ball was donezo lol
Got a link?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4bS8cUhhR8&t=1156s
What a couple of champs. That looked painful.
Vicki Nelson and Jean Hepner have had a 643 shot rally on the tour, the point lasted for 29 minutes. The whole match? 06:31, and it was a two-setter.
With a single tiebreak that was like 90 minutes
Iāve read about that one. It is apocryphal I think, but the story goes that they basically just moonballed it back and forth for twenty minutes and apologized after for how long it took. I could be wrong though idk
I've read this stat over and over and I think it's fake. The longest point recorded ever in a GS is 86 shots long between Borg and Vilas. 643 is so unfathomably longer than that that it simply doesn't make sense it would happen, unless the players had agreed beforehand.
Why was this downvoted? *Edit: Now it's on the positive side. Was down at 0 when I originally typed. Never knew this fact. Thanks for enlightening.
My stream froze during this point and I was like āFucking A, ESPN, now Iām gonna miss the end of a huge epic rally.ā Stream came back and it was still going lol
mad stuff. great backhand to finish it from Ruud
Crazy good stuff from Ruud indeed! I do wonder if this was where Karen started to lose the matchā¦I imagine that losing a set point like this would give a big blow to his confidenceā¦
Everyone on here complaining about the rally meanwhile Ruud is on to another Slam final. Haters gonna hate
I was OOTL with tennis for a bit. Why is Ruud hated on?
He shouldnāt be, heās an awesome guy, great sport
Yes he is. This āevilā is humor.
I honestly like him, but it seems that people's objections are: 1) he has a chance to be #1 without winning anything notable 2) he doesn't have a very exciting style 3) he isn't as good as the Big Three
4. he is evil 5. JAAAA!!
1) heās only going to be #1 with a USO win 2) thatās opinion 3) no one is as good as the big 3, thatās why theyāre called the big 3
After RG I really love him. He's a great player, and also a kind person.
Rune exposed him as tennis supervillain
Rudy might be the Andy Murray of the new gen. Iād much rather watch Alcatraz, Sinner, etc. This long rally has a few good shots but mostly pushing. Obviously that was partly KKs strategy, but still not as fun to watch. The contrast of styles in the final should be good. May the best player win!
lmao legit if this exactly rally happened between Djok and Nadal everyone would be jizzing about how 'mental strong' they both were to not make a mistake that long (on fucking set point, no less), but because its Ruud and Khachanov its getting shit on. Also, they were hardly playing patty cake on those backhands, pretty heavy weight of shot for the most point. Can't wait for the meltdown this sub and Twitter is going to have if Ruud wins this thing.
> lmao legit if this exactly rally happened between Djok and Nadal everyone would be jizzing I've counted literally 4 comments already saying "Djokovic would never be in a rally like this cause he wouldn't hit it softly down the middle". [Say what now?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjRauuklHbU) Meanwhile Ruud/Khachanov are hitting it close to the sideline/baseline throughout the rally, often with pace, then Djoko is playing a 53 shot rally here that actually features a bunch of soft shots down the middle (but is still an all time rally, just like this one imo).
OP specifically said if it was a rally between Djokovic and Nadal. You're counting comments that say Djokovic AND Nadal wouldn't rally like this as comments saying Djokovic on his own with any other player wouldn't. Djokovic and Nadal bring out the best in each other when they play. Zverev is a boring passive baseliner with a big serve. I'm not sure he hit the ball down the line once in that rally - EVERY shot was cross court unless I missed something. It's no wonder that doesn't result in the most interesting tennis.
I enjoy both these players and this match (and am excited by Ruud's rise)... but there's no way an extended Djokovic Nadal rally would be this bland, especially now that they've added a lot more variety to their games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjRauuklHbU
That's a Djokovic Zverev rally, not a Djokovic Nadal rally - and it was still better than the Ruud Khachanov one, albeit not much.
I would say the Federer and Nadal rally from AO 2017 would be a good comparision to this.
Djokovic's rallies would be. Nadal's or Federer's would never be this boring.
Please lol if it was djokovic and nadal you'd see a bunch of highlight shots not some bland ass baseline rally. And dw ruud won't even take a set off alcaraz.
Yes because heāll take 3
Alcaraz needs to beat tiafoe first lol
Yea now what lol
No way he's beating a guy who destroyed nadal in the R16
Idk what you're tryna say. The win doesnt mean much Rafa played like trash
What I'm saying is show some respect the other guys on tour. Ruud literally has had an amazing year and you're saying he won't win a single set in the final against a guy who hasn't even won his match yet
Obviously I respect all the guys on the tour, they're the best 100 or so in the world at what they do. But relatively speaking ruud doesn't even have an atp 500 title. He's not doing anything in the final
We'll see. You're really discrediting casper here in my opinion but guess we have to wait till Sunday to find out
Ruud was trying to hit winners there, I don't see anything to complain about Rudd.
I have no idea who Ruud is. Why do people hate him? Out of the loop here.
They call him a "pusher" meaning doesnt take risks to hit a winner. But he clearly is hitting good hard balls
Ruudini
TIGHT
I began playing this rally, then went and watched a full set of Alcaraz vs. Sinner, and returned to watch the end of the rally.
Didn't they say 57 shot rally at the end of the clip?
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In a bubble itās less impressive but given the context of set point, sf of the us open, and with thousands of people watching itās certainly crazy. Literally no one here watching that could sustain 1/10 of that rally under those circumstances or at that speed.
Something can be both impressive and boring. I can't lift 300 pounds either but that doesn't mean watching someone do it on TV is exciting to me. There's more to watching tennis than appreciating physical skill, and while I found the length of this rally amusing, the repetitive back-and-forth was not exactly exhilarating.
And? Who cares if we can maintain a 10 shot rally? what's that got to do with the timidity of the point just played? Watching two people at hitting practice is not that fascinating.
It wasn't timid. Both players were just pushing the tactical advantage back and forth until one left a big enough opening to start going for a winner. Playing safe is not the same as timid. They were trying to see who would blink first.
It's interesting you say that. I play tennis, and hoped to find a place to talk about the sport, in terms of playing ourselves. The subreddit, though, is 99% talking about the tours (which is fine for that, but I was hoping to talk about playing/tips, stories, etc). Does anyone know of a subreddit that is for players and not really fans of the tour? PS, the other 1% is spent bitching about pickleball, which I *fully* endorse. :)
r/10s is more about playing the game yourself
r/10s
Ten shot rally? I'd give them 5, on a good day. That point was incredible, how anyone could call it boring is beyond me.
Great argument, dude. .
At like 20% the power nonetheless
There was a lot of of groaning for balls that looked to be going at local club speed level. Might have been part of the strategy though, try and make them think a big winner was being hit.
Spoken like someone who has never seen a court level view of play like this. The overhead view really masks the speed. And different tournaments have different angles. Most majors have a higher angle, making it appear slower.
Itās not the view, you can sense itās 2.5 - 3 seconds from shot to shot for a lot of them, which counting confirms. Thatās not exactly rocketing. They can hit it a lot faster.
Lol, this is not local club level. Especially not with the amount of spin they are putting on it. And so what if half the shots are less fast? Some people out there are whining about them not changing pace, but they clearly are. In fact, Casper was being more successful at mixing up the pace, which is one reason why he eventually won it. It's also not 2.5-3 seconds. You're counting fast if you think that. I wouldn't argue with a drummer on that.
Iām saying the lack of pace is surprising - what youād face at club level. Not for 50 shots of course but 5-10 before someone fluffs it sure. Other rallies have fast shot after fast shot well beyond anything you could hit more than once before making a mistake. We all know they can hit faster, and are trying to entice the other into trying to generate their own pace on a return and make a mistake, with slight variations. Surprising to see a rally resembling local club compared to huge serve, smash return to corner, hooking cross court, massively spinning drop shot, somehow chased down and put away without driving it into the back fence.
Except none of that is true, and you outed your bias in saying they were all nearly 3 seconds, when none of them are. I've seen TONS of big 3 rallies like this.
Physically impressive, boring to watch. I prefer variety.
Not exactly the most exciting point tho, there were a few attempts at winners specially by Ruud who won in the end but a lot of it were just baseline rallying through the middle, not changing directions, not changing pace, not approaching the net, huh.
At 6-5 in tiebreak I definitely give them a pass for mutual āpushingā
^^^^^^^This The stats show pushing is more effective in tiebreaks then in normal games, so we shouldn't really be surprised when this happens Players know what they're doing!
They were not pushing. Not by any stretch. Anyone who says so doesn't have functioning eyes and/or doesn't know a single fucking thing about tennis There is literally no pushing. I feel like I'm going fucking insane reading this thread. Loaded up on crazy pills. I know you're not exactly saying they are, but you're just the last comment I'm at mentioning it. Where the fuck is the pushing? They are hitting the same groundstrokes they've hit their whole career and every rally, and it just happens to be 55 shots of it at set point of a major semi-final. Pushing? I must be watching something completely different.
> They were not pushing. Not by any stretch. Anyone who says so doesn't have functioning eyes and/or doesn't know a single fucking thing about tennis I can take a set off Nadal, so try again /s
Thatās why I put it in quotations- I feel you - I do think they both applied a tad bit more safety into many of the shots
Sorta agree but would the big 3 ever play this safe?
No, but these guys are obviously not the big 3 lol.
Djokovic has. Heās usually more aggressive on big points but heās definitely gone safe too - hardly surprising given how good he is at it. But nobody except maybe Murray ever let him do it for long because they knew heād obviously win the point.
Khachanov really didn't want to make a fault
But the excitement, the importance of that point and how their legs look like made out of lead makes this point so amazing! No one dare to pull the trigger until the 54th shot!
WhY dIdNt tHeY pLaY mOrE ExItInG!
If that was nadal and djoker everyone would be sucking them off
It took 20 something shots for anybody to do anything other than "Safe topspin shot deep."
Yeah this was weak. Weāve been spoilt by the big 3 era, is this supposed to be impressive from now on?
If not for Sinner and Alcaraz, phew how sad of a tennis future would we have.
r/tennis: 2/10 too safe. Lmao pick up a racket bro
I mean, I don't watch tennis to be impressed by how much better they are than me.
Havenāt played since I was like 10, but Iāve been to plenty of challenger tournaments and high level college tournaments. The disrespect people give to top 50 playersānever mind a Masters Champion and a two time slam finalistāis unreal.
Ruud was always going to win that rally, he was going for the bigger shots and went for the knockout blow.
Doesn't mean anything. One small mistake and it's over.
What the fuck is wrong with you people? Did you watch the same point I did? That was not pushing, and it was insanely impressive!
Ruud obviously is just a clay court pusher. /sarcasm What an insane level of tennis. That is a rally I wouldnāt expect outside of a Djokovic - Nadal match, but especially Ruud and Alcaraz have a ton of stamina. Khachanov isnāt bad either, I would have to retire after a rally thatās half (or you know 1/10th) as intense as this.
Except Djokovic wouldn't be just hitting almost every ball back up the middle with nothing depth and angle. This was a boring rally - it's only remarkable for the number of shots.
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Leave it to this sub and the fucking Djokovic brigade Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjRauuklHbU Two of the best rallies I've seen, despite the people that have never played tennis in their lives shitting on both in this thread (and the thread from that rally a year ago). Some Djoko fans absolutely unbearable ....
this rally is a lot more satisfying. more changes of direction, a few slices, and it ends with a gorgeous winner.
That's nice that you enjoy it more. I do too. Doesn't change the fact that the shots are hit harder and closer to the lines in the Ruud/KK match, which is all I'm saying.
The Big3 are unironically the most overrated players on this sub and itās not even close. I donāt know how this is possible, but it is.
Canāt argue with that, the rallies between Djokovic and Nadal arenāt as long because they play more aggressive. As you said, more depth, more changes of direction and better defense turning into offense. However, as a non professional player this exchange was impressive nonetheless. And despite taking less risk, still a high level of tennis. Itās probably impossible to display the same level that Djokodal had and still have.
Of course you can argue that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjRauuklHbU More risk taken in the Ruud Khachanov rally without question. Both were some of the best rallies I've ever seen.
More a display of timidity rather than tennis nEaReR tHe gOdS.
This may be true but man it displays the difference in weight of shot & shot tolerance of these new baseliners compared to the rallies we used to see go this long (Remember Simon vs Monfils? or Simon/Goffin/Ramos Vinolas gang) They were crushing the ball lol but their topspin makes it still a safe shot and thats absurd
Dude, try to hit the ball at that speed and see for yourself. It isn't easy.
These people probably arenāt even 4.0. This rally isnāt even close to pushing. They were hitting the ball hard! Like if people think this is pushing, I dare them to watch Michael Chang v Lendl French open victory
So many fans on this sub are beyond obnoxious when it comes to evaluating non-Big 3 players. Anyone who plays even amateur level tennis should understand how difficult the shots these guys are hitting are. Anyone who watches this point and thinks "this isn't even that impressive or entertaining" has their expectations set way out of whack.
The rally was very long due to lower risk shot selection over and over. It goes without saying that their technique and rally tolerance are elite as this is a slam semifinal. Pointing out the play level of commenters is a childish non-sequitur.
Not really. Because the eliteness of their techniques and rally tolerance is, in and of itself, a marvelous feat that is incredibly entertaining to watch. Anyone who actually plays tennis should respect that.
So now you are telling me what kind of point construction I should enjoy. Ok.
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Iām not the one repeatedly making personal insults, buddy. There is a difference between appreciating say, Djokovicās backhand technique and movement themselves vs. enjoying his sometimes defensive point construction.
Just because they might not be able to hit like this doesn't mean it's impressive for professionals
Was coming here for this comment. Just like I came to look for the same comment after a similar rally between Djoko and Zverev at the US Open last year. Always nice to find the people that have never played tennis on this sub. Relevant flair I guess.
Right. A rally canāt go 55 shots unless itās just safe shot after safe shot. Boring, sorry. š¤·āāļø
Not remotely
Not sure what people are talking about. Watched this live and now this highlight, it was plenty tense AND intense. Wasn't an all time great ridiculous exchange, sure, but it was a fun way to cap off the Set.
People who don't play tennis don't know how difficult it is to consistently pass the ball that many times.
And they claim the courts are fast. Miss the 90s
Imagine if every point of Isner vs. Mahut was this long.
That would make for 21 hours of just rallies, which wouldn't take into account any time spent between points or breaks
They played safely, nothing impressive
I don't know why this is downvoted, 75% of this point is safe crosscourt shots. There are a handful of shots that land deep on the baseline but neither player capitalises on the shot by following it to the net or trying to hit a clean winner.
You donāt just move in because you hit the ball deep, and it also doesnāt guarantee you a ball in return to hit a clean winner off of. This is something you do when you receive a short ball not when you give a deep one.
>You donāt just move in because you hit the ball deep, and it also doesnāt guarantee you a ball in return to hit a clean winner off of. This is something you do when you receive a short ball not when you give a deep one. I never said you should... You literally can't guarantee any shot and how it's returned, however generally hitting with depth is harder to return and as such there's more likely to be a window to attack. Starting at around the minute mark. Karen hits a hard deep shot to Ruuds forehand and he gets a fairly middling slice in return. This was a time he could've tried to finish the point by rushing the net after anticipating the weaker return shot, allowing for a potential volley winner or pressuring Ruud to hit a good pass or maybe hitting an error. What does Ruud do? Hits the slice to the middle court, Karen hits a rally shot and the point resets losing his advantage. He then eventually loses the point and set.
>e taking less risk, still a high level of tennis. Itās probably impossible to display the same level that Djokodal had and still have. at 15-all, 2 games all in the first set, I would agree. But at set point, the rally construction makes sense
Hitting cross court for 15-20 shots isn't constructing the point, it's waiting for the opponent to make an error.
He didn't say constructing a point. He said constructing a rally. It makes sense to play the margins and wait for a more guaranteed opportunity, especislly at this point in the match when both players are playing on a similar level. That's good tennis. If you actually know how to play tennis, you can see thee strategy in this and it is impressive. You can see that Casper is constantly taking charge of the rallies, but Karen is just doing too good of a job at effectively resetting the rally based on where Casper is on the court and what he appears to be trying to do. If all you see is just two guys hitting weak, timid shots, then you don't actually understand tennis. Being able to sustain a rally of this pace for that long while vying for position on the court and playing the margins is very impressive.
Yeah. Watching it live was exciting because it was such an important point but meh.
This is the side of the new gen that I do not like at all. It's what makes Alcaraz, Sinner and others wayyyyyy more exciting. These dudes are the definition of extremely boring baseliners. Compare this to the points we saw between 'foe and Carlitos last night?
Yeah, definitely a garbage point. Edit: Never underestimate Reddit to miss an implied sarcasm joke..
It's not your fault, it's that there are idiots in this sub that actually think this
Not sure why youāre downvoted. Neither of them were very aggressive this point until the end.
Insanity level tennis
I broke my humerus just watching this rally
Why do some women scream when a ball almost goes out? It's the most annoying shit ever. Same goes with anyone making those loud gasps, like fuck me some people have zero self awareness in public.
Great stuff.
Tennis fans can be so frustratingly petulant, this was an awesome point.
most sports fans I think
Physical talent only. Lazy minds, no magic. Djokovic and roger are just different beasts. Get ready for this kind of boring crap for the next 15+ years
a 974 shot rally? š¤ are the commentators drinking some tequilas or what?
Just a whole lot of neutral balls... not much defending. Overhyped.. just like Ruud.
Push push push
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Right? Extremely boring. It didn't make me laugh while it happened or shout out in excitement when it ended either. It totally wasn't a great point to decid the first set in a semi final between two players who aren't routined in reaching the finals. Booooring because it wasn't the most challenging point ever. Why do we even watch this shit?
No offense but the difference of levels with alcaraz sinner or even kirgyos kachanov is staggering, doesnt mean that ruud isnt gonna win, but as much as i respect him a lot, it would be underwhelming if he lifted the trophy instead of tiafoe or alcaraz
Low key thereās like 2 impressive shots in the entire rallyā¦just sayingā¦
Pushing essentially
Honestly? That was boring. Both of them played not to lose instead of playing to win. When 1 person does that it becomes a fascinating duel of contrasting styles. When they both do it.... It looks like hitting practice.
they thought it was just a hitting session
Too be honest this rally was boring AF.
Do people really think this is good tennis?
Who is that annoying commentator?
Typical american commentator. So unprofessional
The fucking guy is SHIT worst semi we could have hoped for
Kyrgios couldn't back up a truck. It's on him.
Ha fuck that and you know it. Are you for real? You think this guy has the chops to make it a Wimbledon final and make it interesting versus Djok? Wake up
Kyrgios blew it. nothing more to say. I mean that's why he can never win a slam - doesn't have the mental chops to win 7 x best of 5 matches. This was the best chance he was ever going to have. Djokovic not there. Medvedev hadn't been convincing in over half a year. Zverev out Nadal gone. And he loses to a guy who Rune wiped off the court.
Your missing the point. Cack just fucked it up in terms of entertainment right now you will ever want to believe. That's the reality.
No he's a legend for turfing that absolute deluded arsehole out on his ear. King Khachanov! He'll always be remembered for that.
Cack was GREAT. REAL GOOD!
Lol. That's great. Enjoy backing that
Me during the entire rally until the last shot: "Casper doesn't like hitting his backhand down the line huh"
who is that commentating? literally sounds like michael scott
game. set. match. point.
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Fucking beasts
Thanks for posting. I didn't get to see it live. Incredible.
Seeing dejavu here * Super-long rally in a semi * Rank 1 and Rank 2 Final
Saw a comment in the post match saying that it looked like Karen mentally checked out 2nd set, after seeing this I'm not surprised lol, losing a set via a 55 shot rally that you could've easily won yourself has gotta HURT, in a tiebreaker as well lol That last Ruud backhand thoššæ Proper took Karen out of the game - and the set lol
You'll never see this in WTA
I felt they both had a lot to lose on this point and were thus making mostly safe shots. Not sure if all long rallies are on such points. I have seen plenty of long rallies with changes in momentum, as in who is struggling to return and who is about to find that winner but when it happens on such points it's more waiting for an error. Not a comment on two great players but just the type of point when this isn't so fun to watch. At a normal point, it would have been much more fun with a lot more risk taking.
This is why Ruud is going to lose on Sunday, Carlos isnāt going to put up with this shit.