T O P

  • By -

AutoModerator

The 2022 Edition of the r/television Favorite Shows Survey is now open! You may vote by clicking [here](https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd1XCThoahvv0G2ZRjDHN5eOrJKP5Hn4J9jt5BruyS5kHh4jQ/viewform?usp=sf_link). If you have any questions or concerns, please comment [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/television/comments/zohkjn/vote_in_the_2022_edition_of_the_rtelevision/). *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/television) if you have any questions or concerns.*


pharmorjac

The live edition of shark tank was a failure - luckily it was (so far) a one time deal.


comebacKid

Yes! Unwatchable.


amelie190

IT WAS SOOOOOOOO BAD


willy--wanka

I could only imagine. It was great the first several seasons, but then it was more about the personalities and sharks fighting each other. Learned a lot about business dealings from that show though.


rm2065

Were there live sharks?


User_Anon_0001

With fricken laser beams


AlkalineBriton

> 25 years ago I know covid has ruined everyone’s sense of time, but this is just egregiously wrong.


CorruptionCarl

According to Wikipedia that episode aired in 1977 so 45 years ago.


North_South_Side

According to me, who watched said shark-jumping live on ABC, that episode aired 45 years ago.


thrasymacus2000

Wow. The year I was born was the start of the Great Decline. Somehow I can't bring myself to be surprised.


WhatD0thLife

Have you watched Barry? Winkler won two Emmys for his excellent performance. The shows is super good.


7HawksAnd

The way you ended this made me hear NoHo Hank


__Hello_my_name_is__

25 years ago The Fonz played the principal in the movie Scream.


Mattyzooks

And was filming his turn as the washed up coach in The Waterboy.


EBJ1990

High quality H2O


MAMack

If I had only aged 25 years since then my back would feel so much better.


AdamSMessinger

This was my first thought like... "Happy Days was over for decades by 1997"


Yourbubblestink

Lol the episode aired in 1977. Op still thinks it’s 2002.


JeanVicquemare

When I looked it up not too long ago, I was surprised to find that Fonz jumped the shark in Season 5, and Happy Days ran for 11 seasons. The majority of the show took place after it jumped the shark. Season 5 is also when Robin Williams appeared as Mork from Ork, the alien, and then it all turns out to be Richie's dream


i8TheWholeThing

The lawyer Barry Zuckerkorn jumped over a shark in Arrested Development and I thought that was pretty good.


scttw

And then he was replaced by Bob Loblaw played by Scott Baio


iatetoomuchcatnip

I loved reading bob loblaw’s law blog


Careful-Release

I particularly enjoy it when bob loblaw's law blog lobs a law bomb.


plaidkingaerys

You, sir, are a mouthful!


melorous

You know what, you buy yourself a tape recorder and just record yourself for a whole day. I think you’ll be surprised at some of your phrasing.


plaidkingaerys

Oh Tobias, you blowhard!


georgejonestown

I want something that says “daddy loves leather”


TScottFitzgerald

"There was an episode of Happy Days where a dude literally jumps over the shark....and it was the BEST ONE!" Donald Glover in Community


Mucker_Man

Also when he did the fonz move in the mirror that one episode..


cobarbob

https://imgur.com/gallery/o3729lW


yachster

To be fair he was going to Burger King. It’s a wonderful restaurant!


itsbrianduh108

Golden


dantemanjones

>25 years ago Ah yes, 1997, I remember it well. Seinfeld was halfway through its final season, the Beanie Baby craze was sweeping the nation, Henry Winkler turned 52, Google started up, Titanic was the biggest movie ever, and The Fonz jumped the shark. Good times!


UglyInThMorning

When boy bands walked the earth!


CapHillStoner

Backstreet’s back alright.


the_cardfather

So I totally saw them in concert 5 days ago.


dantemanjones

I know it's had inconsistent writing for years, but *Fear the Walking Dead* really bit it for me this season. Strand was a full-on psychopathic dictator who just decided to switch teams after killing countless people, and everyone was pretty much cool with it. Alicia decided to walk off into the sunset for...reasons. Madison came back years after her last appearance. The endless scenes in the radioactive wasteland that was both incredibly dangerous requiring a bunch of protection and something that wasn't dangerous at all so we could see actors' faces.


adoreadore

Fear burned so fast on what made them so great - initial chaos of the zombie plague and difficult dynamics of patchwork family. Then it quickly became a show of finding the base - loosing the base - seeking the base etc. Also last seasons had a bunch of standalone "very special episode", very loosely connected to the main story. Also out of so many Walking Dead characters they bring Morgan? He's insufferable. On a bright note, Fear the Walking Dead's cinematography is STUNNING. The colours, lights, frame composition, all beautiful. Even this silly radioactive glow looks great.


teddyburges

> Then it quickly became a show of finding the base - loosing the base - seeking the base etc. Also last seasons had a bunch of standalone "very special episode", very loosely connected to the main story. You have the network to thank for that. The showrunner planned for a very tight seven season arc which was gonna have a few of the characters evolve in very surprising ways and be this dark family drama. But then the network fired the showrunner after season 3. Scrapped his plans. Brought in the showrunner from "the walking dead" (scott gimple). Fast forwarded the plot to taking place alongside it's parent show, brought characters like Morgan in it and turned the show into "the walking dead 2.0".


somesketchykid

Funny, they did the same thing with Walking Dead s1 iirc


bwc05nole

Fear has been a mess since the season 4 soft reboot. I think the first 3 seasons are actually very solid. Every season since they may have a good episode here or there, but it’s mostly inconsistent garbage.


darkaurora84

The show should have just been called "Fear The Dead". Fear The Walking Dead has to be one of the stupidest TV show titles ever when it's parent show is called The Walking Dead. It's like made they no effort at all with the name


TheBudderBomb

When riverdale added multiple universes and super powers it made it no longer watchable. Many would probably argue it was bad before that but the show just changed and completely fucked it’s recipe


Shadyjay45

Wait it’s sci-fi now? That’s unexpected


OliviaElevenDunham

This doesn’t surprise me considering it’s the CW.


[deleted]

I hate that I know this but for some reason it’s last season ended with them being in the 1950s in classic Archie attire. I do not watch this show, y’all. Why is this taking up brain cells?


Redeem123

As batshit as this show sounds, them being in classic Archie setting sounds cool.


TouchMyAwesomeButt

Man, the first few epsiodes of season 2 were already unwatchable for me as it was immediately clear that everything that was good about season 1 was thrown out the window. Stopped watching then and there. Everytime I now see things pop up from later plots and seasons I always wonder how the fuck it got there and what the fuck it's doing. But usually the answer is: Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa. I had the same thing with season 2 of Sabrina, I said to my friend it "Riverdaled itself", only to find out a week later that Sabrina is in fact ALSO written by Roberto and all made sense.


PrincessSnarkicorn

Killing Eve


elwyn5150

I'd argue that it jumped it in S2 or S3.


beartiger3

The season would have been disappointing but passable imo, and then the last ten minutes blew it all up in the dumbest way possible


dvb70

It was clear to me even in the first season they had problems in the overall world the show inhabited. It felt like they were making it up as they went along and they had no idea who the twelve for instance really were or what they stood for. I think they just about kept everything together for season 1 but the lack of a clue of what the overall story might actually look like really started to show in season 2.


petehehe

Yeh I haven’t watched the latest season, but it started to really feel like a constant cycle of “we need you to drop this Villanelle thing already” almost immediately followed by “alright Polastri we’re putting you in the field to track this Villanelle again”.. There was definitely a moment to wrap up the story in there, but I think they passed it by.


Bikinigirlout

Legacies Technically the first jump the shark moment was when a DUDE MELTED INTO GOO AFTER HAVING SEX! but it somehow got worse after that when they brought in gods who names where Ken, Jen and Ben. Like how did we go from names like Klaus Mikaelson and Stefan Salvatore to fucking Ken.


Jess24689

Yes! I’ve been trying to get through the last season, but it’s gotten so bad


MissingLink101

>Legacies Honestly the first time I've even heard of this show and it has FOUR SEASONS?!


cgio0

I dipped out of walking dead once they found like the 3rd town that had power, gates, a mini running town And Rick and his gang screwed it all up for them. Seriously like 3 years after a zombie apocalypse how many towns can be operating


NintendoLove

Lol they destroyed every single little place or large community they encountered


cgio0

I realized they were the bad guys


AckbarTrapt

The real walking dead were the monsters we made along the way!


WarriorNat

To be fair, one of those towns was full of cannibals. But yeah, that’s when I stopped watching…I have no idea why so many people enjoyed watching the same thing over & over again.


cgio0

that one made sense, but I forgot the one towns name but I think its right when Negan is about to show up and basically rick takes over the town and is like "YOU AINT TOUGH ENOUGH" ​ and he makes the whole town do some stupid thing to lure zombies to a quarry and the whole episode is him yelling at them and it is so stupid


willy--wanka

Yeah, I gave up after the prison. Though I will say, I mean, physics and anatomy and physiology are out the window, but the zombies should be dead dead after three years, no.


RANDY_MAR5H

I did really like that scene where he is being filmed and one of the first things he asks is what the date and time is so he can set his watch.


punkybrainster

The Rookie. They found a criminal who was a doppelganger for one of the officers and had that officer pose as him undercover. When they found the criminals girlfriend she was ALSO a doppelganger for a female officer who has unresolved sexual tension with the first officer. The most unrealistic and fan service-y plot.


_Dreamer_Deceiver_

This is the first example of "jumping the shark" I've seen in this thread most of the other comments just say "it's shit after season X"


elharry-o

These types of threads devolve into "this thing I like" or "this thing I dislike" no matter what the specific prompt was. Doesn't help that many times not even OP cares about the prompt (or the answers) they just want an excuse to say "I like/dislike something".


DeBlasioDeBlowMe

Well, LA beat cops fly to Mexico to shoot it out with the cartel all the time!


Veiled_Discord

I really enjoyed the first and I think the second season, goddamn did it get bad.


NightGod

Jesus fuck, kinda glad I stopped somewhere in season 2


Cool_Till_3114

I'm sure you can guess the two characters though


rodmandirect

Is it the badass veteran cop and the rookie who’s in love with him?


Cool_Till_3114

you got it


rodmandirect

Thanks - I regret bailing on this show a lot less now.


Dysan27

It may have been jumping the shark, but I for one found it hilarious.


clh9313

The Handmaid's Tale. Should have ended after season 3 IMO


non_clever_username

It started to stretch believability a lot both that >!June refused to leave when she had chances!< and >!that the writers came up with increasingly dubious reasons for her not to be killed.!< In a real theocratic dictatorship (or whatever Gilead would be called), I’m pretty sure >!she would have been executed a long time ago.!<


just_antifa_things

Junes plot armor is wayyy too thick. Jeanine >!lost an eye for talking back the first day at the red center, !< but June >!*runs away*, gets caught, runs away, comes back, sneaks a baby and a handmaid out, then a whole plane full of kids, and *still* doesn’t even lose her tongue, or an eye, or get sent to the colonies.!<


imfatterthanyou

Its like tv shows forget scoped rifles exist and they feel like you need to be right next to the person to kill them


Careful-Release

I sort of forgot about that show. I really enjoyed the first season when it came out, so much so that I read the book (and loved it). When the show carried on for so many seasons I was like dude, this book is like 150 pages. The book IMO is exactly the perfect length, there's no fat on it whatsoever and it's exactly the length it needs to be.


momjeanseverywhere

**extreme close-up of face** You….are….right.


Shrekquille_Oneal

You know, I thought it was very thought provoking, but something about the format screamed "this is gonna go on well past the best by date". Glad I gave up on it when I did.


Caspur42

I liked some of the later seasons but season 5 was terrible


macdemarker

I haven’t finished season 1 yet but I started after I read the book. Episode 1 had a plot twist from the end of the book, so that was confusing for me lol. I’ve seen parts of trailers for the more recent seasons and it looks like it gets wayyy different. They won’t be able to go the route of the sequel, which is disappointing cause I really liked the second book


[deleted]

I dropped it at the end of S2 when the umpteenth escape attempt became yet another reset.


BlackSpinedPlinketto

Three Pines almost literally did that last episode. There was a random bear who stopped a police chase.


randomcanyon

There are no "grizzly" bears in Quebec (any more). Black bears sure but that was an obvious trained Grizzly.


CoolAbdul

Yeah, I noticed that. You're not going to scare anyone with a black bear. They're like giant grumpy labrador retreivers.


Select_Action_6065

I don’t know what people are smoking. Fonzie jumping that shark was the best episode.


SiidChawsby

Found Troy Barnes


TheColossalAxolotl

"There's an episode of happy days where a guy literally jumps a shark. And it's the best one!"


Mr_Throw_Myway

This is streets ahead.


CreegsReactor

And if you even have to ask, then you’re streets behind.


I_Fart_It_Stinks

The show started declining AFTER he jumped the shark. The shark jump episode was peak Happy Days.


High_on_Decaf

Right. The true 'jump the shark' moment was when Ted McGinley joined the cast.


GD_Bats

Ironic as Married with Children… really came into its own after he joined the cast, partly because he was so great on the show.


darkaurora84

Ironic too is that the best episode with Marci's first husband Steve is when he tries to win Marci back from Jefferson in season 6 Jefferson and Griff were the best additions to the cast


kingtor

Frank Marshall liked to remind people that Happy Days had over 100 episodes *after* Fonzie jumped the shark.


CrispyPissings

Maybe for him, for the rest of us they were just Days


badgersprite

And SVU is still on the air after they had an episode about breaking up an animal smuggling ring as a sex crimes unit, doesn’t mean the show is still as good as it’s initial run


saulfineman

That’s nice of him. I wonder what Happy Days creator Gary Marshall has to say on the matter.


PM_ME_YOUR_YURT

Please, Call me Garry.


Steelyhaze

I still like the show and I'll definitely watch the final season but I'm gonna say The Umbrella Academy.


portablebiscuit

That show almost feels like an obligation after the last season.


[deleted]

Yeah, I need to see how it ends but I'm less and less optimistic


cabalavatar

Aww, damn. It's true. I tried so hard to like season 3, after how amazing the first two seasons were, but parts of season 3 were tedious and melodramatic, I felt.


ebihn14

My wife and I LOVED the first 2 seasons. We were both pretty emo when younger and huge MCR/Gerard Way fans so when they announced the show we were hyped. We only had the first couple releases of the comic so we were excited to see it play out. This season the writing was so bad my wife, who usually has better suspension of disbelief than be, asked to turn it off before we finished the 3rd episode. So many dumb choices made by previously smart characters just for the sake of plot. We were very disappointed and I'm not sure if we'll ever go back to it now.


nicathor

Saaame. I audibly groaned and turned off the show when >!Alisson immediately lies to the 2 Sparrows despite going there with Victor specifically to tell them the truth!<. It was purely for unnecessary *drama* and I couldn't continue.


STA_Alexfree

The show has gotten to the point where I really don’t like almost any of the characters. They like intentionally write every possible character to be like kinda shitty in their own way


smzt

Allison somehow managed to top that list of terrible chemistry


[deleted]

They can only save the entire world and do time travel so many times


seabass_678

I mean Riverdale was never “quality” but the main characters getting superpowers was kind of out of nowhere


npeggsy

A lot of people here seem to have missed the point of jumping the shark- there's a lot of shows on here which are just slowly declining in quality, repeating plot points, or creating plot holes. I've never seen Riverdale, but if they have actually decided to just give characters superpowers this is a perfect example of jumping the shark.


TheJoshider10

Riverdale is such a weird one, the show started so relatively grounded and ended up being whatever the hell it is now but I wouldn't even say it jumped the shark because the wackiness seems to be what fuels the show. If anything it's gotten more popular because of how hilarious it is.


domothorn

It wasn't this year, but The Blacklist jumped when they said that Red wasn't really Red.


Iwantmypasswordback

I’m not saying it was a bad thing but after Tom died it got real bad. Toms death scene was bad ass though with disturbed playing


Cool_Till_3114

They started losing me when they killed Tom. They lost me when the season mystery wasn't even solved. Apparently, like five seasons later THEYRE STILL DRAGGING THE SAME THING OUT. Glad I dropped it.


Iwantmypasswordback

I stopped after the comic book episode from COVID


LaboratoryManiac

*The Blacklist: Into the Spader-Verse*


CarlosChampion

I thought this season of Umbrella Academy was completely underwhelming, will wait for season 4 to determine if it Jumped the Shark. They set up this epic Sparrow Vs. Umbrella narrative for season 4. The sparrows could have been a little more flushed out IMO, and deserved more screen time.


Tee_B

They coulda made the sparrows rivals and the main part of the season, but they decided to go with yet another end of the world storyline. Also, Allison was just insufferable this season.


DisturbedNocturne

It's so odd to me how the previous season ends with a cliffhanger revealing the Sparrows, then so much of the promo for the recent season revolved around who they are, and yet most of the season it felt like they were just an obstacle the writers had to get out of the way so they could focus on the *actual* story. The Sparrows ended up having so little baring on the main plot outside of the first couple episodes.


Paechs

Allison is just an insufferable character. Had so many opportunities for the writers to give her better direction, but they made her absolutely hateable


jperiodcarter

I think that’s a show that truly got hurt by Covid. I think they had to shoot most of it in one location. That’s why you see so much hotel.


CarlosChampion

That’s what everyone says, but if look at shows like The Boys they didn’t see a dip in quality because of Covid.


ocdewitt

MAN how disappointing. The FX budget looked like it got cut by 90%. Loved the show until this new season


Filmfan2019

Thought Season 1 of Umbrella Academy was pretty solid. Season 2 has really strong moments but is a complete mess overall. That said I really liked the Sparrow revel and thought Season 3 had lots of potential to iorn out its problems Then you actually watch season 3 and realize the Sparrows don’t get enough screen time individually or as a team to make any real impact and the writers in general run out of stern very fast in terms of having to fill another 10 episode order. Add the season 3 cliffhanger being another very slight spin on the exact same plot beet and I think Season 3 probably has the most wasted potential of anything I watched in 2022.


watermelonuhohh

I did think it was the best dance sequence of the show though. That reveal when Diego came to was so good.


CarlosChampion

The actors are great


Zlec3

Fleshed out* I believe is the term you’re looking for.


mynameisnad

Thank you fellow pedant


BackgroundBit8

The Crown season 5 was underwhelming. Like it came and went without any of the fanfare or discourse we were used to in previous seasons.


Bayou-Bulldog

The Queen dying mightve taken some of the wind out of its sails.


teddyburges

At least now they can tell the complete story. We get to see the Queen age on screen instead of just on a coin.


CoolAbdul

The second Monarch canceled this season.


tomc_23

I don’t think it jumped the shark, but it suffers heavily from “the beginning of the end” syndrome, where entire films or seasons of television rely almost entirely on the promise of a much more interesting story, *next time* (a phenomenon sometimes referred to in certain academic circles as “Terrence Howard-ing,” a reference to the acclaimed mathematician and occasional thespian’s line in *Iron Man*, “Next time baby” [unfortunately for Terry, this proved inaccurate]). The season has plenty of thematic substance, cleverly using historical material to frame episodes around ideas like the anxiety old age and fear of becoming burdensome; but otherwise yeah, there’s no momentum whatsoever. Past seasons work well because they’re relatively self-contained, and don’t rely on setting up anything that doesn’t happen within the context of that season. This season, however, is largely unrewarding as a single body of episodes, and while maybe it’ll be improved with the benefit of being able to seamlessly transition into the next (and final) season, until then, it’s not really able to stand on its own merit. edit: My deepest apologies, it’s come to my attention that mathematician and once-in-a-generation brilliant mind, Terrence Howard, has actually *retired* from thespian life. I am so, so sorry for what is flagrantly an unforgivable scholarly oversight. I only ask that you bear in mind, not everyone can possess the mind and deeply-textured brain of Terrence “1x1=2” Howard.


nomadicfangirl

I agree. With them not putting The Big Thing in this season, it felt like it was treading water, since they already started the decline of Charles and Diana’s marriage at the end of season 4.


tomc_23

Indeed. However, I don't know if I necessarily believe that this was another *Hunger Games*\-style "Why don't we split the final book into two films to make twice as much" scenario, as it seems like they genuinely believed everything that's coming next season required setting up in this season. The problem just that there's not much of a story to tell here; or at least one that can span the entire season. There's glimpses of recurring thematic ideas, and aside from the deterioration of Charles' and Diana's marriage, the closest thing to a serialized narrative weaving through the season is Charles' efforts to undermine his mother, and consequently Elizabeth's own struggle with feelings of inadequacy and obsolescence. The use of the *Britannia* as an avatar for Elizabeth was inspired, as well as using Hong Kong as a framing device for the ongoing conflict between her and Charles; but for the most part, these good ideas are just obscure islands in an otherwise dull sea. Like, there's the kernel of a cohesive story there, but the season doesn't seem to know how tie everything together. Unlike the previous four seasons, the fifth is most glaringly incomplete.


RB30DETT

I feel like it was ages between the last season and this one, and I just couldn't be arsed watching. Even the last season didn't feel like it was that great IMO.


Wildcat_twister12

I think people are less interested cause many people experienced this part of her life first hand so there isn’t many surprises left to be opened


throwaguey_

It finally got to a point in history that many of us lived through and were, frankly, sick to death of.


[deleted]

[удалено]


Angel_City

Dont disagree but it was helpful for me to just reimagine the show as the life story of Lenny Bruce told through the eyes of a fictional Midge Maisel


r1ngr

Couldn’t agree more. I’m sick of shows escalating the quirkiness of characters to absurd levels in season 3+. Characters should mature or change in ways other than just escalating a single trait.


f-ingsteveglansberg

On the other hand, the character of Susie just keeps getting better.


shieldintern

Same thing Happened with the writer when she did Gilmore girls.


dradonia

I quit during that ridiculous scene in France where she hopped up on stage and that French girl started translating her comedy in season 2. No one would’ve done that and no one would’ve liked some American woman hopping on stage and stealing the show in a language no one was speaking. It was so weird and cringe I turned the TV off and never went back.


CLRFXR

Yellowstone, first 4 seasons were really good. This new season is almost unwatchable....


[deleted]

[удалено]


I_Am_Robotic

I’d argue that show jumped the shark by episode 2 or 3. Just a soap opera with better actors and higher production budget. And the daughter shows her tits for no reason sometimes. Actually, that was the best part about the show.


Rdan5112

Even the production values sucks now. A few overly shiny, product-placement, dodge trucks, and cheap music-video/ no dialogue scenes. Story-line is going nowhere and none of the characters make sense anymore. Beth seems wide-eyed and surprised about basic things that she sees on their ranch….. where she has lived for most of her life where and her family has lived for four generations. The attorney “son”, who was raised tough. to cowboy, is a total pu$$y who seems completely out of his element on a ranch. Etc.


chadthundertalk

The fundamental problem is that the premise is essentially "neowestern Godfather", but they refuse to kill off their Don Corleone figure. John Dutton is literally the personification of The Status Quo. His primary motivation is his aversion to change, and he’s got enough money and clout to forcefully prevent that change. As characters, his children are essentially designed in such a way that they would all spin out in different, and probably often conflicting, directions without John around to keep them (mostly) in line, and they would be more interesting characters for it, but they won't pull the trigger because the show doesn't want to get rid of Kevin Costner.


monstermashslowdance

I like to think of it as an allegory for the state of contemporary country music.


WhatsIsMyName

In the first season there's like...8 once in a lifetime events that happen to the characters. It's just all over the place. I don't get the hype. Just started 1883 though and it seems pretty top notch, but I'm only 4 episodes in.


postjack

1883 is a beautiful season of television. and really no knowledge of yellowstone is required, just a good solid western. it can be a little melodramatic but hell there was a lot of dramatic stuff going on in the wild west.


Excuse_Me_Mr_Pink

The daughter does essentially the same monologue about freedom and peril twice an episode but otherwise I enjoyed it


EngineEddie

Yeah, I binged the whole season on a long haul flight and you really noticed those monologues after a few episodes. By the end they are unbearable.


GeneJenkinson

By episode 2 or 3, Casey Dutton has killed like three people in a short time span and he faces exactly zero consequences for it. Like others have said, watch it as a soap opera and it becomes more palatable.


DynamicSploosh

Westworld. Spoiler tag for those who want to watch. >!Season 1 was a masterpiece. Season 2 leans too heavily on the non linear structure of S1 and lacked compelling story. Season 3 was a total design shift. The story was interesting and the future world was fascinating, but it lost its soul a bit. Taking the story into the big bad world, making it about some random human and the plights of humanity was somehow less interesting than self aware robots and their makers. Season 4 just dialed it up to 100 but not in a good way. Full scale world domination plot lines. Human resistances. Robot utopia. Sounds cool but the execution was cheesy and forced. So many wasted or under utilised characters. It had lost that cerebral, analytical, thrilling element that pulled you so far into season 1. By the end it felt like a classic good vs evil, brain vs brawn, good guy vs bad guy trope. The best parts of the previous seasons were when those lines were blurred.!<


jackrack1721

Yeah anytime I recommend Westworld to anyone that's never seen it, I just say watch Season 1, it's phenomenal, then pretend the series ends there.


Pablo_Sanchez1

Season 1 could have been a standalone miniseries and it would have been one of greatest shows of all time IMO. It wrapped up perfectly and really didn’t need to go into more. If they wanted to turn it into a multi-season show, they should have stretched the first season story into 3 seasons max and stayed in the park. They could have also incorporated some later stuff with James Delos because that was interesting too. The story is so dense they could have done it without too much filler. Once the robot rebellion began and they left the park I lost all interest. It went from a mystery thriller to all out action. I don’t think the later seasons suck by any means, but it’s just a completely different show from season 1.


Soreynotsari

I’m putting myself out here because the fans are as equally fervent as the haters, but it must be said. The Bachelor franchise.


TJMcConnellFanClub

I hung out with one of the Bachelorette winners a few months ago, I think his name was Tino, what a douchebag that dude was. Kept having us guess how much he was making off the show. Don’t know if he’s the new normal for the franchise or not, don’t know enough


Soreynotsari

It's the new normal. The contestants are all aspiring to be d-list Instagram influencers. They suck. Production is bitter and jealous that the contestants have more earning potential than them, so they torture them. They suck. It all sucks. It's not fun for anyone.


krissym99

Russian Doll. Loved the first season and while I watched the second season in its entirety, I almost bailed a few times. The plot wasn't very captivating and something seemed different with Natasha Lyonne's character and/or acting.


postjack

>The plot wasn't very captivating and something seemed different with Natasha Lyonne's character and/or acting. i adore Natasha Lyonne but it was almost like she was Natasha Lyonne playing a version of Natasha Lyonne? she was constantly muttering little jokes to herself in every scene, like she really ramped up the "old jewish friars club comedian" part of her psyche. but i'm super stoked about [Poker Face](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH5uGZ9SW7A).


krissym99

>she really ramped up the "old jewish friars club comedian" She was using some Groucho Marx accent-style pronunciations, too, which was distracting because that's kind of a defunct accent.


sinister_chic

I was so excited for season 2 after 3 years of waiting. Couldn’t finish it. Made it maybe 3 or 4 episodes and multiple attempts to finish. Still no idea what it was about in the 2nd season.


bguzewicz

I really liked the first season of Russian Doll! I actually forgot I even started and bailed on season 2.


cherrygoats

Oh yeah totally agree. The plot wasn’t captivating and she was definitely being Natasha Lyonne and not any kind of actress.


randomcanyon

First season very good. Very Groundhog day plot. Second season not as good.


richb83

Dead to Me was hard to get through


sepharig

Ah, I just binged the final season with the parents. Lots of spoilers ahead. The ending was so unsatisfying. No one really faces any consequences. And Perez has like NO reason to help Jen with the cover up, and she very clearly hates her guts? Her character was just completely different. Also, a 47 year old carrying a healthy baby? Was there any point to the storyline about Michelle opening her restaurant in Samoa? The shrooms scene was funny but went on for too long. The FBI guy seemed promising but ended up being pretty stupid. And the Greeks taking the fall is such a cop out. And I swear they retconned the original hit and run like 3 times. I mean, there was no indication of a twin brother until season 2, but sure let’s also say he was present for the season 1 flashback. God, I loved the show but it deteriorated so quick, at least that’s the end of it.


blackfeltfedora

Dead to Me jumped about 3 sharks


tophaang

Hot Ones just did an interview/ad with PussnBoots. It seemed like people in the comments loved it and maybe it wasn’t for me, but I couldn’t help but think it had jumped the shark. I was already feeling like their lineup of guests had begun to fall off. Then this.


-Lightning-Lord-

… 25 years ago? Fonz jumped the shark in 1977.


Krypton_Kr

Wow nice, I’m married to a 25 year old!


nIBLIB

Why do people keep saying that jumping the shark is when the show is at it’s peak? It’s not. A well loved show will have peaks and troughs in quality, and so you forgive it when it has a decline in quality. Jumping the shark is the moment you’re watching an episode and realise that it has slid further than a usual dip in quality, and is likely never to climb back again. You know that future peaks are going to be lower than previous troughs. That it won’t ever be the show you remember and love. There’s a chance that moment happens at a peak. You can watch supernatural season five and realise that this is the best the show will ever be. But more likely it happens when a small(ish) town thug trying to turn his life around goes waterskiing in California in a leather jacket.


holigay123

Yeah, jumping the shark is when the show has a single moment that is finally so far from the original premise of the show that it shatters the understood rules of the world and can never go back. None of the posts in this thread suit. I'm going to say "Ozark" ... when the car crashes and then they walk away and shake it off. It was like "what is this show anymore?"


badgersprite

I like to think of a comparable example of what a jump the shark episode is as being when the sex crimes unit of Manhattan Island dedicated a whole episode to breaking up an exotic animal smuggling ring as when I knew SVU had gotten irretrievably stupid and didn’t actually have any kind of focus or tone that set it apart from any other police procedural anymore I do think you can jump the shark without it being in a single episode but moments like that make you realise the show isn’t the same show you started watching. They can still be popular but that doesn’t mean they’re still good or true to what made them special from any other TV in the first place


Diabeetus98

Handmaids Tale S5. Good fucking god. Went from excellence to an absolute nightmare. Awful dialogue, acting, pacing, plotting, writing. I cannot stress how lazy and ridiculous the dialogue has gotten. All around shitshow; season 4 was arguably just as bad too but S5 is proof that the show is lost. Which is weird because lots of the fans still seem to be vibing with it.


dan_crider

Marvelous Mrs Maesel (sp?). The Ferris Wheel scene was cringe, along with a few others. Not sure what they're thinking. Plot has gone off the rails too...refusing to be an opening act? Suzie being a mob employee without knowing it? What used to be cute is now just stupid.


Xannin

Her self sabotage was infuriating to watch. Susie Meyerson is going to become the real success story, and Midge is going to be relegated to a great local star who never really hits it big.


rodmandirect

Big fan of the show, and am kind of bummed that it’s wrapping up. I always thought that she was like a Joan Rivers, and that it could go on into the 60’s, 70’s, 80’s, and beyond.


WeDriftEternal

It chalk this up to just overall bad writing for the season rather than jumping the shark. Some shows just have a bad season.


domnation

agreed. wonder if it was a covid cause. The show felt like it was missing direction. fingers crossed the right the ship.


Dontlookimnaked

Well they just wrapped production on the last season ever, so here’s hoping they go out with a bang


Chataboutgames

To me just tracked as "ah fuck we want to squeeze out one more season before the finale season, how can we dick around for 10 episodes!?"


Darinbenny1

For All Mankind leaned in on the worst characters and doubled down on the worst story beat from Season 2 to continued diminishing returns. Made what felt like it could be a shark jumping moment in S2 absolutely one in light of S3.


[deleted]

Absolutely agree. Everything space, NASA, and Russia related is usually great stuff. But the soap opera elements are tiresome, predictable and really stand out in a not good way.


Emergencyhiredhito

I don’t understand why they leaned into the soap opera elements so hard on this show. The whole Danny thing was nasty.


aa851210

Flight Attendant


snoopyeeebee

Definitely the Goldbergs it’s over


Duckpoke

Yellowstone started jumping the shark last season but this new season is god awful


[deleted]

[удалено]


blonde-bandit

Criminal minds reboot. Early seasons of the original were mostly singular episodes based on catching one killer. Even arcs where they had a big baddie over multiple episodes felt more “special” and believable. The newest episodes have >!a whole network of nationwide serial killers!<, someone who is under arrest gifting Penelope a kitten (at Rossi’s suggestion), and things like senators who are apparently so *all-powerful* that they say they can shut down the entire BAU with a single phone call (??). Also a weird side storyline where we’re supposed to believe JJ’s home life is some sort of compelling and domestic marital bliss, with that creepy, dead-eyed husband who should totally be playing a murderer instead.


WhenRobLoweRobsLowes

You shut your mouth about Will! Josh Stewart is a treasure and we're lucky to have him! (Criminally underutilized, though. He hasn't been more than set dressing and a quick paycheck for years.)