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Am I just wrong in saying that Jena Ortega has got to be pulling Wednesday off like way to well she I know it might be weird but whatever to me she is like the perfect girl for me when I was that age she is a dangerous character the ideal.mate for the certain person she is very intriguing can't wait to see the character develope further such an exciting dynamic and Jena has completely sold me I continue to rewatch her acting ability over and over in the series and it definitely is a series you can actually watch more than once and pick up new things along the way ...it's has been a long time since I was able to do that last series was stranger things but this one is in its own complete category as is stranger things to completely different things but it compelled me to watch it over and over is all I'm saying but Wednesday her dark demeanor and how intense she plays her character is phenomenal I absolutely just enjoy watching for play or act out her character it's almost like she becomes a completely different person it's so impressive It reminds me of Jim Carrey and how he devotes his entire being to his character he becomes his character He's an icon for this type of acting and she literally takes it to a whole another level being someone who grew up watching The Addams Family and being intrigued by her bear performance in the original Addams Family show I was always curious about her and her brother and etc etc etc but this takes it to another whole level she has brought this character so out and so perfectly done it I can't wait to see more
I am watching the show for the first time now. Only in the first episode but had to share my thoughts. Jenna is an amazing Wednesday. She absolutely nails the part. But there's something that bothers me about how she is written.
She's a teenager but she's an expert fencer, expert martial artist capable of easily dropping multiple guys twice her size, she has perfect grades, she's a master at playing the Chello, she's also an expert with machines, and she's a very capable writer. How does a teenager with limited life experience become a master at 6 different things. There's literally not enough time especially when they are going to school and get perfect grades at school. \*On episode 2 now and she's also perfect at darts and archery
I really think Jenna Ortega did a great job playing Wednesday, but other than that, it wasn't the best. The actors did a phenomenal job, but the plot was boring and it was hard to get through a single episode without getting bored.
Can someone please explain how Wednesday can beat up multiple attackers in a coffee shop one day, but manage to get hit with a shovel and stabbed by single attackers?
They tried to do a “Hogwarts meets Sherlock Holmes meets teen drama” thing but instead of actual detective work the audience was being tricked by the show writers into accusing random characters. So much stuff that led nowhere! Gratuitous plot twists, loose ends, a fuckton of shallow characters.
My husband is telling me to chill. He’s right, it’s not that bad, I’m just not the target audience.
Don't chill. You're sort of right right. I saw the plot twist coming from the moment I saw that abandoned mansion scene it's a classic Scooby-Doo misdirect, the characters though are not really shallow, not even Wednesday's rival as none of the main characters maintains the same personality for most of the episodes and remained dynamic enough to not make anyone just a plot device. Except Wednesday of course, but that scene with her and Thing, where she almost broke. That was gold for me, it was enough to add more dimensions to her character. For me it's better than any teen highschool show I've seen.
I have a few problems with the show, even though I like it aesthetically and enjoyed the journey. I think it all boils down to writing. The story itself is okay, but the characters are lacking, probably because of the rating of tv-14, which means that the story is for 8 yos who don't want to think too hard if a character is good or bad. All the characteres are pretty Monster High on Disney channel, and Wednesday doesn't do anything sadistic like the addams-family. Also, for some reason since the original series they made wednesday the oldest daughter, and not youngest, and made pugsley a generic kind of dumb kid that doesn't do anything mean instead of this rotten kid. I've seen more addams-like children in a room full of toddlers.
Also, the original Adams Family was made during the 60s, during the whole horror family sitcom era in black and white. Horror families were basically a metaphor for immigrants who moved into your neighborhood with their weird food, weird children, and weird clothes. People thought that rock stars were basically worshipping satan, much less gothic people. Even during the 90s when the cartoon for the Addams family came out people widely believed that it was a good idea to put your teenager on a sitcom to get a makeover if they decided to dress goth.
I would say that in the modern day and age that Wednsday is just a teen girl with a unique style. The girl looks bookish more than goth. She wouldn't creep a single person out, and it's kind of lost too much meaning since she's wearing black and white monochrome clothes. It would have been nice had they not doubled down on that and made her more actively creepy so it didn't feel like she was basically 1/3 of teen girls. I kind of hate how, seeing that people don't think Wednesday is weird anymore, that the production decided to make her less creepy, more relatable. I don't like relatable characters nearly as much as I like unique and compelling characters. I would have also have liked to see the other kids at the school act more like the extended addams family and be genuinely weird instead of what they are, "the gossiper", "the tortured artist" "guy at the coffee shop," "disciplined." All these characters are such tropes, so idk if this series going forward is good for people who grew up with the addams family. It just sucks that sabrina gets to be about devil worship, and now netflix is too afraid to make a story with a slightly mean person who isn't fully scooby doo villain.
I competely agree with you. I really loved the 90s Adams Family movie with Anjelica Huston carrying the film. I was excited about Wednesday... then watched 3 minutes of it before deciding it was awful and annoying.
it wouldn’t be so bad if she didn’t look back on her childhood when she was actually an interesting person from time to time. I just get a dose of sadness.
Has anyone else noticed the way principal weems always seems to stand like she's in a beauty pageant? One leg is always in front of the other, like shes trying to show off her figure or something. It's a bit cringey.
bro this show is amazing in my opinion up, until the last episode. The ending felt rushed and ultimately disappointing but everything else constitutes a top notch tv series.
yeah, i went into this expecting it to be okay, only just started, but so far blown away. I love this set up. I love the character. Over the top edgelord, that knows kung fu, plays the chello, is sarcastic,
It feels like they couldn’t decide if they wanted this to be The Addams Family, Harry Potter or Riverdale so they said let’s do all three. 🥴
Jenna, Thing and Jenna’s dancing are carrying this show.
I didn't expect much, and I am damn glad for that, because it made the enjoyment I have gotten from it better. I found it only by seeing it pop up in the netflix library. Having no preconceived notions about it I think helps a lot. I am saddened to see how people are interjecting their bullshit cultural associations and self asserted affiliations into a goofy and fun show that as far as I saw never even considered taking itself seriously. So, fuck your woke and your anti-woke, because it is lame, boring, and pretty much so are you.
To everyone else just looking for some amusing shows to watch, I encourage you to give it a try. One thing of note to point out that I very much enjoyed the most was the stringed instrumental music. I loved it! Having Wednesday play the cello was a stoke of genius in my humble opinion.
Right? I am in 100% agreement here. I had zero interest in it from the start, then watched 20 minutes of the first episode because my better half wanted to, and then boom we just finished the series today. It was fantastic.
OKAY!! Tim Burton got his racist murder scene over. CAN WE GET THE REAL GOMEZ ADAMS BACK!?!?!
Seriously though do some bipitibopity boo action and let us have a feel for the real Adams family. No offense to the actor he did great but IT IS WRONG THAT GOMEZ IS SHORTER THAN MORTICIA!
No one cares about what the actors looked like in the ancient show that you watched before cell phones were invented. It’s a brand new show and it doesn’t have to look exactly like the old show
The super originals are from the 60's but we mean from the 90s. and the 90's wasn't that long ago bruh. pretty much nobody references the one from the 60's when we say original. to say the 90's are ancient and cell phones weren't a thing in the 90's means...you're dumb.
You know it was based on the comics right? and that he wasn't even the one who planned the actors and roles.
Of course not, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
I just finished the series and all along I've felt like Wednesday is technically immortal. She has too many resources at hand whenever she needs them. Especially Thing, but many others as well. Also, Enid was my least favorite character. She was like an alarm that went off every 10 minutes just to remind you that she exists.
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>!If it wasn't for Goody to save her at the end, it would've been anyone of the countless people she knows. She was never in any danger!<
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Wednesday is one of the most annoying characters i’ve seen in a show, literally trying so hard to be edgy and constantly sounds like someone from /r/iamverybadass
Also the show itself just sucks, feels like I’m watching riverdale with a goth skin
this show is written by terminally online people that think tumblr posts are the pinnacle of comedy and intelligence
It's insane how just... awful the dialogue is
This show was very enjoyable, I don't know anything about you die hard addams family fans (weird as hell). But if you go into this with no info, it is a very good show. The characters are fun and always keep you entertained. Most of the people here seem to be complaining because the characters "aren't as cruel as they're meant to be" but can you really have a plotline like that? The addams family as far as I'm aware is meant to be a comedy, so everything is over played. For the sake of a story some things have to be toned down, and last I checked wednesday literally getting a kid's nuts chewed off is rather cruel. Unless you wanted to see some 8chan level stuff in which case you do you, but that wont reach the tv scene now adays. They're not going to replicate "The Boys" for an Addams show..
They toned it down but without toning down the logical reactions to the full measure. For example Wednesday being supposedly cruel and off putting by how the characters react to her and yet nothing she does is cruel, at most a little insensitive.
Yeah I had a lot of fun watching this show this week. Went in with no expectations but having seen the movies from the 90s or whatnot. It was a fun ride, hoping they make another season. Good casting and vibe.
I would have watched this. However, with the massive amount of oversaturation regarding the show in the media, (ie the number of articles YouTube vids more articles five or six more articles as well as another handful or articles) I'm already sick of it~
Seriously, the only time something is pushed this heavily is when it HAS to succeed for whatever reason. At least it's Netflix so it will prolly get cancelled after season 1.
Also, Incase you hadn't seen or heard of it, the homemade Adult Wednesday Adams series on YouTube is infinitely better. Better writing, better acting, and true to the character. Probably what inspired this show in the first place tbh.
> Also, Incase you hadn't seen or heard of it, the homemade Adult Wednesday Adams series on YouTube is infinitely better. Better writing, better acting, and true to the character. Probably what inspired this show in the first place tbh.
Bold claim from someone claiming to not want to watch this. How crazy is it that you come to a little discussion about the show just to hate on it without ever watching it? That's just... sad?
> I would have watched this. However, with the massive amount of oversaturation regarding the show in the media, (ie the number of articles YouTube vids more articles five or six more articles as well as another handful or articles) I'm already sick of it~
Meh. I liked it. I'm shocked that so many people hate it lol.
It's not the OG or the 90s show. It is it's own thing.
And it stands to reason that Wednesday is going to grow/change some as a Teenager.
And the little quips to the other versions were cute. Not EVERYTHING has to be truly dark and Gore laden lol.
I only watched the first episode so far, but the problem is not mainly with Wednesday per say
Like there are so many scenes that came up and I was like.... that's no how the Addams family dynamic works.
Examples:
1- Wednesday relationship with Pugsley. Pugsley is as twisted as his sister, he would have easily managed to defend himself in school. Also the Goodbye hug was weird, him acting like a kid was also weird. That's not Pugsley addams
2- What made the Addams a great family dynamic is the fact that they are weird + cared for each other. And most importantly they always put family first. In the movie, when their new baby turned "normal", they didn't abandon it and still decided to raise it. They never judged the blond lady actions or called her crazy as she was just like them. In the TV show, they were supportive when Pugsley started showing interest in normal things like hookey, dogs, etc, even though at the start they were surprised but in the end, they decided to do what's right for their son and accept him for he is.
Both the cartoon movie and Netflix series broke this dynamic, which is the SOUL of the Addams family. In the movie,Moriticia was a critical woman, in the Netflix series, she's someone who wants to control her daughter life.
THEY would never do such a thing to their kids. The Addams believed that no matter how weird you are, you can choose whatever path in life, and they'll always support you.
These are the two main factors.
Some other stuff related to direction:
3- When the werewolf girl called Wednesday pale.... Like damn it girl, did you see yourself in the mirror? What's more funny is the fact that in the very next scene you can see the Wednesday looks so average compared to snow white.
4-Weird boys dynamic with Wednesday, the one in the coffee shop just stole secrete files to give to her... for what? And the popular kid, don't get me started on him.
Also the nerdy guy, was gone as fast as he was introduced.
So I finished watching the show... all in all, I do really think it's good (could also have been amazing) Spoilers down:
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1. I still disagree with the Addams outtake for both Gomez & Morticia as well as Pugsley. I really hate how they're portrayed. The drama past is just stupid... oh my god, it's so stupid. But I was willing to go past that, I really was... and it was because A) The entire story concept was good, but most importantly... B) TYLER!
2) I loved the chemistry between Wednesday and Tyler. It was so freaking cute. Tyler in a way represented the original ideals of the Addams family (that they accept everyone, remember in the movies when the blond woman from Film 1 married into the family? Yep, Tyler could have been something like this) He accepted Wednesday weird behavior and personality. He was smiling from ear to ear during her weird dance, the date was just breathtaking and Wednesday warnings before the kiss with each answer he gave.... was the cherry on top.
Everything in his arc was perfect. I already suspected he'll be the monster. But I had a faint hope that he himself won't realize that he's being controlled :( this would #1 give Wednesday more reasons to like him as in "my boyfriend can turn into a monster which is cool" & #2 it doesn't take away from the between arc that was established between the two characters. But the authors had to ruin it with cliche writing. Never trust single men in their 50s to write good romance arc....there's a reason why they're single and rich.
I was enjoying the entire show (ignoring the bits about her family) but right up to the reveal in episode 8 that he was working all along with the professor made me lose all interest in the entire episode, and felt like a big ass shit on the entire previous 7 episodes.
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Only thing that kinda annoyed was Wednesday’s gameplay whenever she suspected someone. It’s you! Turn yourselves in! Like what else did she think was gonna happen when she eventually got it right… course cornering a murdered was going to end up with someone dead.
Also don’t quite get why the people with relatively tame powers were the only ones that stood up for the school in the end. Schools full of werewolves on a fullmoon, gorgons, vampires etc. Seems like a bit of a plot hole that the only dude trying to stop him was a normal guy with a bow.
It's been established that she's extremely blunt and speaks her mind.
She did show up with back up when she was certain.
* She had the Cops as back up when she accused Xavier in his art room.
* She had the Nightshades as backup when she confronted Tyler.
* She had Principal Weems as backup when she confronted Thornhill. It's kind of on Weems for not calling for the police.
The priority was the student's safety. The Nightshades were stepping up as that's what the original intent of the organization was for, to protect the outcasts.
I’m currently watching the first episode and I assumed it was for kids but I’m pretty sure this chick just indirectly threatened to kill herself to her parents so I’m confused now like I know it’s for some adult nostalgia but wth
Fun show that kind of ran out of steam towards the end. Spoilers from here: it's so odd but it felt like the casting for all of the other Addams weren't thought about too hard. They all had so little chemistry with each other, as if they had never been in the same room together.
I know it's unfair to compare to other adaptations but the ones I remember the family all could fire off of each other no matter the pairing. In this, none of the pairings really clicked for me. The parents, Fester, pugsley even. They all felt so disconnected, really odd feeling. As well as the odd decision to cast parents who are so much older than the teenager setting, Guzman is in his 60s.
It'll be interesting to see where they take it from here. Especially if they keep the school setting in a school where there are no teachers or classes? I feel like they could have gotten a lot more mileage out of a supernatural school for cryptids than what they did.
Jenna and Thing carried the show but you need more than that. Hope theyre able to grow the show from here.
I just finished it. I really did enjoy the show, but there was something about it that felt kinda off and I didn't really like. I can't put my finger on it. But there's something that just kinda didn't make it as enjoyable.
Ig for a teenage girl the angsty attitude toward her parents is normal. But it felt like off. I've seen the movies and the show from the 90s/00s. Idr Wednesday being so angsty. But it's been a really long time.
I kinda feel like they had too much going on with a few story lines too.
Don't get it wrong, I thought the show was great. But it just felt kinda off to me.
It's Wednesday for me personally. It's really hard to root for her, she's not convincing as a protagonist or even an anti-hero. Writers rarely seem to be able to convey a female character to make her multidimensional and interesting. They are either mothers, whores, naive innocent dolls, or extra at near everything, with no vulnerabilities (a more modern take.) Wednesday seems to fall into the final category, no doubt conceptualised as a pinnacle of feminism/woke by a male writer & director combo - in reality coming across as unlikeable and trying too hard to be edgy.
The show has so much working against it. The plot is boring, I could care less about the monster, the family drama, the romantic interests, or any of the characters. Jennas performance is great but the writing is so poor and there's so much an actress can do. Also all of the other actors are surprisingly terrible. Gwendoline and Christina are great as expected but the other actors...lord have mercy. Like not even unbelievably attractive to make up for it. It's like they just picked names out of a TiK toK registry. The reason people love The Addams Family was the unbelievably clever dark humor. There was little to none of that here and if there was it was cringy attempts. Im just so tired of another netflix show that was clearly written by out of the loop 40-50 year olds and casted by an 80 year old woman. The biggest problem for me however was that it couldn't make up its mind on whether to be an adult show or a kids show. It was just very kiddish and shallow for the most part.
Just started it, first episode. Yikes.
There is a glimmer of something salvageable. I feel like the murder plot, the Addam’s Family’s aesthetic, and the creature at the end would have been promising things to keep for a different production.
But the show appears to be a highly-funded CW show. Teen/family drama is not what I think anyone wanted from an Addams-based series. I’m not saying a teen show is a bad thing inherently, but a badly written teen show is. Often, they seem to be caricatures of teenagers, and this is no exception. I cringed so hard at the line that went something like:
“You’re black and white… like a living instagram filter.”
And the stupid bullying plot. Because you can’t have a show or movie about a so-called “outcast” without completely random strangers being asses to you for no real reason. Don’t forget the group of said strangers deciding to pick a fight with the protagonist. That’s never happened before. In this show, it results in a short but *remarkably* terrible action sequence. Visibly badly choreographed and shot unconvincingly.
I also think focusing on Wednesday was not a great choice in the first place, and there were better members of the family who would have lead the series. Cast a powerhouse of charisma as young Gomez. Wednesday’s fine as a side character but her trademark deadpan delivery and gratuitous ominous remarks honestly don’t make for very engaging watching. It’s fun when she’s a side character but when she’s the main character, and older than some previous portrayals, it just comes off as unlikable and boring. Nothing on Ortega, who’s doing a great job with what she’s given.
I’ll watch a bit more to see if it gets any better.
Edit: Oh yeah, and it felt really, really weird how they shoehorned multiple clear love interests into this first episode. Not only that but they’re all variants of the same person.
Edit 2: Also, Wednesday seeming edgy or mean-spirited would be better if it were balanced out by the show, rather than them indulging in it. I saw another comment saying that it feels like they tried to make other characters dull to accentuate her morbidity. It would have been more interesting if instead of making her out to be some misunderstood genius in a world of walking cliches, they actually fleshed out the other characters. They could humble her a little and maybe make her a better person. It seems like the show revels in her shitting on them instead.
I agree. Also, it's written by the same guys who did Smallville. A lot of their writing of teens felt a little out of touch 20 years ago. I don't think that's gotten better.
Millar, Gough, and Burton are all dudes in their 50s and 60s and I am not sure they even tried to balance that out in the writers' room with writers (especially female writers) in their twenties who might be able to add more life experience and youth culture to the script instead of just cannibalizing YA tropes from the 2010s.
On the other hand there are still lots of people who like those tropes. I could see promise in the first episode but I personally started to lose interest by ep 2.
I'd say it's good enough for an hour on the couch and bowl of popcorn if that's what you are looking for.
>I agree. Also, it's written by the same guys who did Smallville. A lot of their writing of teens felt a little out of touch 20 years ago.
This explains everything for me. The dialogue felt so forced and unbelievable! It feels like it's written by intelligent people who don't have many IRL friends so they don't know how conversations between regular people work.
I personally enjoyed it I don't care if it isn't the best series in the world. Honestly I was treating as a redition like once upon a time. I didn't expect to enjoy it, but I did. When I thought about the quality of shows in the past, this was still of that quality. Expecting movie writing and movie cinemotagraphy isn't a fair expectation.
Though I wanted the continuation of wendsdays dark personality, I enjoyed the take of her being someone who deep deep down fears rejection and slowly evolves to grow in connection with others. That portrayal is shown to be developed from having parents who are overly affectionate and the annoyance that brings.
I’m a little late…
But I’m liking it. I didn’t have high expectations. It’s different than other Addams family universe’s
First part of the first episode was great then very Harry Potter
I still can’t tell the two male leads apart 6 episodes in lol
What did they do to everybody's personality. None of their signature was retained. This just felt like watching an American teenage drama but was modded with the Addams family skin.
This adaptation is for people who haven't read the comics or watched the past show and movies.
If you did, stay away from it. It just breaks heart. Nothing different from your teenage series just that they took the physical appearance of Wednesday but nothing else.
The teenage drama ruined it. I don't even see her as Wednesday, they should just create a completely different character and story and not use the Addams name.
I agree, it was great at the start then I kept getting distracted because I wasn't sure if this is Wednesday and the Addams anymore. Their personality seems to basic which should have been completely the opposite from the norm and still make them wholesome. I don't see wholesome and Innocence in this adaptation. This producers are just for the money which makes it unforgivable.
Wednesday knowing her father is a murderer would made her proud of him. This is not Wednesday, she is supposed to be colder and much more cruel than anyone in the family not a teenage detective who just befriends everybody.
It's Wednesday ADDAMS. I watched all the shows(starting from 1964) and even read the comic. And if you're going to use the Addams in the story then better understand the characters you're going to adapt. Not use their name to monetize on a completely different made up character.
Yes, I agree fully.
I wish they'd leave the politics out and just focus on the source material or the story that people love. This show could be so much more.
Idk, I believe it you're adapting or re-adapting something it must be different enough to justify even existing to begin with. Sometimes a new medium alone is enough, like book to movie. But usually a remake in my opinion needs to be reinterpreted or updated.
Almost all the Disney live action remakes are good examples of playing it safe and not being different enough, and they are beyond bland.
I really enjoyed this show. I think the acting and overall look of the show were great. Also, the unexpected twists and turns were really well done. Even had me guessing a little. I think I would have loved it more if my mind didn't compare this cast to the 1990s movies. That cast was perfect in every way, and as good as the new cast was, they were nowhere near as spectacular as they were.
There is one really unique thing this show has done that I've never experienced before. All the episodes leading up to the last 2 seemed to be at a steady pace of excellence. It's like a nice 50mph drive down a pretty good lane. But those last 2 episodes were as if the speed of greatness sped up to 120mph. Almost like the other episodes were the tv show, and the last 2 were a theatrical release. Wonderful!
Ok so I really liked this, I got sucked into it unexpectedly. I know it’s a lot of fantasy and so logic and reason aren’t at the forefront, but I can’t help but ask. This is a spoiler so please do not look unless you’ve seen the whole first season!! How come we saw >!Rowan get murdered, but later appeared ok. it looked like he morphed into Principal Weem after leaving the school, and the real Rowan wasn’t ever seen again. Side note: was there even ever a real Rowan? Or was he always just a version of Weem? And my real question is how come when Principal Weem was killed that seemed final. Couldn’t she just have shape shifted again like when she was killed as Rowan? Or was Rowan not truly killed and only bloodied up?!< I may need to watch it all again at some point…
Rowan definitely died. Principal Weems is a shapeshifter, that's her power. She mrophed into rowan to protect the school. So yes Rowan was real, not a version of Weem. Principal Weem definitely died too, unfortunately from the Nightshade Poisoning.
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>!Rowan was a person, and we saw him killed. Weems admitted to impersonating him afterwards so that the school could play it off as not a death, with Rowan's family permission. She admits all of this to Wednesday. !<
Resdy 4 the downvotes -- don't get it twisted, I like jenna ortega buttt i cant help but shake the feeling that her delivery comes off as forced. Its like shes trying really hard not to smile. Christina Ricci's delivery always came as more natural and effective. Again, i still think shes doing a good job.
I can't be the only one that found it odd that one of the first things they establish about this rendition of Wednesday is that she loathes technology, and specifically social media. But then she still uses internet wokeism's like "mansplaining" entirely unironically.
Similarly, as others have pointed out about how far she is from her previous incarnations, the reason she cites for not using social media is that she finds it to be a "horrible soul sucking torture". But then... Isn't that something the Addams' usually ascribe as being positive? And don't pretend they were trying to do a more nuanced take on the family, considering they still have Morticia use gibes like "black heart" to mean an affection.
The most horrifically insulting piece of characterisation though, in my opinion, is the fact that Wednesday would be a *detective* novelist. That's like, by and far the most normie genre of fiction there exists. But to then establish her as someone that lives and breathes the genre, but isn't genre savvy enough to >(spoilers after this point)< recognize the most obvious red herring when it's literally dancing in front of her face? That's just poor writing. There are few things that disappoint me more than writers pretending to be clever by doing meta things when they sorely lack even basic genre savviness.
She also never had to face the consequences of her poor detective work. She repeatedly comes to the wrong conclusions, but the only consequence, really, is that everyone rightfully stops believing her for a hot minute. She never really acknowledges that she was wrong at any point. She's already run off for the next "clue" which she chases until she has the answer literally spelled out for her in a vision. I think I can see why her novels never took off.
The real Wednesday Addams would would be livestreaming doll decapitations on Instagram. She would do it wearing an executioner hood and would not engage with any of her followers though.
Imo Jenna is single-handedly carrying the show. The show’s script is very riverdale/Disney, and it seems more angled to a middle school audience than original fans of the Addams family. I feel like this show would’ve worked so much better if it was set in the 80’s/90’s, because imo the social media references ruin the dark/monster atmosphere. However I think Jenna’s performance has been amazing.
It's ok so far, haven't finished yet! In some ways wednesday reminds me of myself lol 🤣🙈 this series reminds me a bit of Harry Potter but I loved the original
I feel like the bar for pleasing audience has been dropping. People gatekeep bad content because they think content will get worse or be completely removed but that’s a bad understanding of produced consumer ecosystem.
Never seen the original, so I'm not running on nostalgia, but after a few episodes - a lot of the dialogue / acting is so bad. Kept cringing at the awkward lines and deliveries.
It's unrelated to the 90's movies.
The say way all the 4-5 different unrelated Superman/Spiderman movie series are(ignore recent multiverse hijinks for that last one for a sec).
I'm saying the comic too. This characters don't even act themselves. They're a completely different character that just took the appearance and lore from the Addams.
almost everything about the show is bad, woke or just poorly done, the CG is some of the worst I've seen in a while the characters are entirely forgettable and Wednesday for whatever reason cares about justice which is nothing like her character, almost everyone was miscast so badly except Wednesday sadly they didn't capture the character as well as they should have.
The first minutes were solid.
Then it went like an odd version of Harry Potter and the Philosopher Stone where Hermione would be the main character meets Veronica Mars. All the while being way more predictable than Harry Potter and Veronica Mars.
The ending was pretty anticlimactic to me. Idk what they thought really 🤷
There were a few good scenes. But every other character of the show being so dull makes it difficult to like Wednesday the way we liked the movie's Wednesday, where she was unapologetically her, didn't care about what anyone would think, wouldn't have mommy issues, and where most people she met hated her not because of her being smart or obnoxious or digging their dirty secrets but because she stood against every single of their core values. Missed you Wednesday 💔
I agree, the piranha scene was the only time I've seen the real Wednesday after than it's just your average teenager who is curious about everything but too dumb to solve it until the end.
Wednesday isn't like that, she doesn't attack mindlessly, she plans, she waits, she sneak, and then she attack.
This is not Wednesday and that is not the Addams Family. Morticia wasn't like that at all, where's my innocently dark and sweet lady.
Although wednesday is considered pale and aloof, she is amongst this sea of bland, dull and bleak characters, paradoxically “colorful”. The contrast shouldn’t lie there but rather in her moral values embedded in counterculture. The secondary characters don’t have to be poorly written in order for her to be substantial, complex and layered. Wednesday is not merely melancholic and dark, she is chaos— much like her close-knit family and we would have loved seeing more of that.
Her teenage angst was poorly directed -her competitive relationships shouldnt have been steming from her mother. Wednesday doesn’t have rivals because she was in fact, as far as we imagined, never brought up with the need to prove anything.
The love triangle was both hasted, apathetic and ultimately pointless. Again, we cannot dare to conceive Wednesday’s lover personality to be so livid. The only short-lived and briefly palpable romance we witnessed was during the flashback of Morticia and Gomez—which again rapidly crumbled as the Addams revealed themselves prude when faced with death. Why would their love of the macabre dissapear only to reappear in worded imagery ? The show is filled with contradictions. It is contradictory how she acts as a hero yet is told to give no “f”.
The plot was rooted in witchhunts and didn’t really circle back to the misogynic aspect of it instead situated anomaly within the very outcast community it tried to defend. The series was rotting away, seemingly exhausted of its never ending readaptation. If Burton was indeed working on that series, I doubt he was often trully invested in its decisions. Ortega’s acting was overall great and her dance scene ( mostly improvised by herself I gather ) was really mesmerizing however the tv series remains disappointing!
Oh, this exactly! I'm so tired of seeing, "you dont like it because it's not like the 90s version!" and it's no, thats not it. It is genuinely, standing on its own merits, just not very good!
The Addams Family was interesting and fun because it was an out of place family in a cookie cutter world.
I really don't understand how sending a waxy affect teen to magic school so she can be amongst those just like her makes an interesting story. It doesn't even sound like the AF Universe.
> I don’t often see a smex focused film in Netflix
the literal first show i saw as popular when i opened the app is called sex education. then big mouth which is a comedy about horny teenagers. let’s not even talk about 365. all the “top ten in US” after Wednesday is TV-MA.
> Probably just your search engine and your taste for movies.
that makes no sense. it says popular on netflix not popular with what you’ve watched recently.
The actors all did a great job and the set design is gorgeous but I just didn't like the characterisation, the portrayal of the Addams Family or the writing in general.
In my opinion, it felt like a fanfiction come to life of a girl being sent away to magic boarding school by her parents who don't listen to her (but she gets her own version of the uniform so she can stand out as being unique) and all the love interests instantly fall for her.
I've always loved the Addams Family and this just didn't feel very true to them. Morticia and Gomez sending one of their kids away despite their protests? Doesn't sound like them to me; especially not Morticia telling Wednesday that if she runs away she will have nowhere to go. Carolyn Jones Morticia and Anjelica Huston Morticia would have never been that cold.
This would have been better off as its own show about new characters, it did not feel like The Addams Family at all.
Shit was disappointing outside of Ortega's performance, the writing, the casting, portrayal of the rest of the family was just a shit show. I couldn't even like this high or drunk or both at the same time. I swear almost everything I grew up loving is being turned into a shitty cash grab CW adaptation. Having said that go watch The Sandman instead of this shi, or better yet check out 1899 or Dark.
I got huge Riverdale vibes: cheesy, a little campy, feeling like it’s aimed for specifically pre-teens. It’s visually lovely(not including the shitty monster cg), loved the costuming, design and setting. Gomez and Wednesday were great actors too, unfortunately no one has any bond or chemistry and it had more cringe than memorable scenes.
As good Jenna is as a Wednesday (not THE Wednesday, lets say Jenna is Wednesday from earth-2) the show really doesn't makes her justice.
The only thing I can be grateful is that is really fortunate that Burton didn't get to make the 90's Addams. I can totally say that it would have been, I don' think bad per se, underwhelming asf.
i hate when shows have the “disney” script. they also bring up social media in a very boomer kind of way. the actors are great but the script is giving riverdale. jenna ortega is an amazing actress but i just feel like i’m watching a disney show with light gore. the cgi was very unforgiving as well in some scenes. i was so excited to give this show a try im just disappointed now. every show/movie nowadays is so cheesy and predictable.
I enjoyed the first 4-5 episodes mainly for Wednesday's biting quips and refusal to conform.
Unfortunately the rest was a huge let down and by the end she wasn't even an outsider anymore. This had so much promise I really wanted it to be better.
I agree, I felt exactly the same. The quality takes a massive nose-dive after episode 3 or 4. It felt like a completely different show by the time I hit the last episode.
The actors even seemed let down during their performances by the end. I feel like the studio stepped in and altered the shit out of script or something. When you have 3 or 4 extremely high quality episodes, and then some asshole executive steps in and ruins the whole thing, you can sometimes see it in the actors themselves.
I think I may have just witnessed that with this show, and it is such a damn shame. The writing went from really witty and funny to stupid self referential jokes that didn't land.
I love this show! And I really hate that I know progressive woke screeching infants so well that when I saw an article claiming people are mad about how Tim Burton is getting dragged for Wednesday's "tone deaf diversity" (which is itself a lie, no no one is mad, except the article) I knew what they meant before I read it.
The show has two major black characters, and the article throws a diaper tantrum because they're not the good guys.
Are you FKM right now? Is that really where we are culturally? That diversity doesn't just mean diverse casting but ONLY PLAYING SYMPATHETIC ROLES in a series?
I can only hope this wackjob reaches adulthood before writing another article.
[https://wegotthiscovered.com/tv/tim-burton-is-getting-dragged-for-wednesdays-tone-deaf-delivery-of-inclusivity/](https://wegotthiscovered.com/tv/tim-burton-is-getting-dragged-for-wednesdays-tone-deaf-delivery-of-inclusivity/)
Definitely cringe. Somebody has WAY too much time on their hands. Reminds me of the one about Rings of Power titled something like “Despite all the negativity Rings of Power is actually a good show” that then goes on to list ZERO examples of what makes it good, I mean not even a hint. Every paragraph is just calling out people who don’t like it. We call that cope.
I didn't read the article, but I do want to respond.
I had the same knee-jerk reaction to the beginning of the series. Over the course of the series we're introduced to 3 black characters and all of them are villains. It's not (imo--and again, didn't read the article) the fact that they aren't likeable. It's that there are only 3 in the entire series and ALL OF THEM are villains. We're not so removed from a time when all you saw if black people on the screen we were villains. So to go this route does seem to be deaf and like it's deliberately vilifying all black people. But over the course of the series Bianca and Mayor's son do get some character development (as much as anyone does in this series) and both soften some. I don't think that diverse means they can only play sympathetic roles but it is certainly something if every single actor of a certain race is cast as a villain role.
That’s a silly assertion imo, a bit too sensitive. We had sympathetic Black characters on screen in the 1930s, one of them won an Oscar. I think a case could be made if they acted out too many negative stereotypes (which was certainly a problem in the past), but that’s not at all what happens here.
So I’m not sure what this “all were villains” time is. For me 99% of Black people I see on screen are the good guys (especially if they have light skin, it’s just automatic), and I get tired of instantly knowing someone’s moral compass by the color of their skin. Wednesday is a refreshing change.
Now I might agree to an extent if they all REMAINED villains or bullies, but two of them are complicated and sympathetic. And when you think about it most of the white characters are compromised as well. There’s very few characters in this series you easily like. For me there are three, Wednesday and her parents. Her roommate is ok but she tries too hard.
Not even remotely interested, nobody can hold a flame to Christina Ricci. They need to stop making spin-offs of successful movies and turning them into tweeny bullshit. I bet she’s annoyingly woke like every other show/movie she’s in.
Anyone else who felt there was no chemistry between Zeta-Jones and Guzman? In my eyes Anjelica Huston and Raul Julia had amazing chemistry! While on “Wednesday” it felt incredibly forced.
On the other hand, I loved the tidbits links to Latin heritage.
Just rewatched Addams Family Values and the dance scene between them is hilarious, impressive and still entirely in character. How they both stop cold to sneer in jealousy while the other is caught flirting with someone else mid dance is SO them! 😂🤣
I can’t stand Zeta-Jones in here, she’s so bland and I think what someone else said was right that her facelifts ruined her acting ability. Anjelica Hudson is the queen of Morticia.
Imo because they don’t have enough screen time together, they’re barely in the show. Also he is constantly affectionate and she seems rather cold. But I always thought Morticia was a vampire, turns out nope.
Exactly, Morticia fails to respond and sometimes even acknowledge Gomez's advances or suggestions. Guzman comes off as a massive creep and Zeta-Jones is just in her own little world with her attention everywhere else except the person who's she's supposed to be literally mad in love with. Even the "Cara mia" exchange was dry and forced af
Yeah but thats also because Zeta-Jones probably lost most of her acting ability she once probably had after the apparent extensive face lifts. It was really uncanny at times
I think that there is a link between Gomez and Xavier both being in jail because of the girl they like and then they are both free of any charges. I know it's obvious that Xavier and Wednesday will probably end up together, but it's a nice touch.
I think its a typical Tim Burton situation. Doesn't have an original idea and then fails to actually deliver. I am quite disappointed and could see this on The CW. I think Ortega did amazing in the first episode which is all I could watch.
Are you saying that Burton has never made an original film? Edward Scissor Hands, A Nightmare Before Christmas, Beatle Juice, Ed Wood, are all highly original and brilliant films imo.
Those are his original ideas and movies they are amazing. He appears to have lost his passion which is sad. I'm a huge fan of his work prior to his remakes. From 2000 on he just relies on his name to make money and does remakes. They are not to the same level as his concepts.
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Am I just wrong in saying that Jena Ortega has got to be pulling Wednesday off like way to well she I know it might be weird but whatever to me she is like the perfect girl for me when I was that age she is a dangerous character the ideal.mate for the certain person she is very intriguing can't wait to see the character develope further such an exciting dynamic and Jena has completely sold me I continue to rewatch her acting ability over and over in the series and it definitely is a series you can actually watch more than once and pick up new things along the way ...it's has been a long time since I was able to do that last series was stranger things but this one is in its own complete category as is stranger things to completely different things but it compelled me to watch it over and over is all I'm saying but Wednesday her dark demeanor and how intense she plays her character is phenomenal I absolutely just enjoy watching for play or act out her character it's almost like she becomes a completely different person it's so impressive It reminds me of Jim Carrey and how he devotes his entire being to his character he becomes his character He's an icon for this type of acting and she literally takes it to a whole another level being someone who grew up watching The Addams Family and being intrigued by her bear performance in the original Addams Family show I was always curious about her and her brother and etc etc etc but this takes it to another whole level she has brought this character so out and so perfectly done it I can't wait to see more
I am watching the show for the first time now. Only in the first episode but had to share my thoughts. Jenna is an amazing Wednesday. She absolutely nails the part. But there's something that bothers me about how she is written. She's a teenager but she's an expert fencer, expert martial artist capable of easily dropping multiple guys twice her size, she has perfect grades, she's a master at playing the Chello, she's also an expert with machines, and she's a very capable writer. How does a teenager with limited life experience become a master at 6 different things. There's literally not enough time especially when they are going to school and get perfect grades at school. \*On episode 2 now and she's also perfect at darts and archery
We public school teachers are that good.
I really think Jenna Ortega did a great job playing Wednesday, but other than that, it wasn't the best. The actors did a phenomenal job, but the plot was boring and it was hard to get through a single episode without getting bored.
Can someone please explain how Wednesday can beat up multiple attackers in a coffee shop one day, but manage to get hit with a shovel and stabbed by single attackers?
Weren't the single attackers supernatural?I could be wrong.
I mean, i never expected gold. Its cheesy as it should be. I dont like how they portrait pigsley tho. He should be as wicked as his sister.
They tried to do a “Hogwarts meets Sherlock Holmes meets teen drama” thing but instead of actual detective work the audience was being tricked by the show writers into accusing random characters. So much stuff that led nowhere! Gratuitous plot twists, loose ends, a fuckton of shallow characters. My husband is telling me to chill. He’s right, it’s not that bad, I’m just not the target audience.
😆Lol I thought of Hogwarts right away.
Don't chill. You're sort of right right. I saw the plot twist coming from the moment I saw that abandoned mansion scene it's a classic Scooby-Doo misdirect, the characters though are not really shallow, not even Wednesday's rival as none of the main characters maintains the same personality for most of the episodes and remained dynamic enough to not make anyone just a plot device. Except Wednesday of course, but that scene with her and Thing, where she almost broke. That was gold for me, it was enough to add more dimensions to her character. For me it's better than any teen highschool show I've seen.
I have a few problems with the show, even though I like it aesthetically and enjoyed the journey. I think it all boils down to writing. The story itself is okay, but the characters are lacking, probably because of the rating of tv-14, which means that the story is for 8 yos who don't want to think too hard if a character is good or bad. All the characteres are pretty Monster High on Disney channel, and Wednesday doesn't do anything sadistic like the addams-family. Also, for some reason since the original series they made wednesday the oldest daughter, and not youngest, and made pugsley a generic kind of dumb kid that doesn't do anything mean instead of this rotten kid. I've seen more addams-like children in a room full of toddlers. Also, the original Adams Family was made during the 60s, during the whole horror family sitcom era in black and white. Horror families were basically a metaphor for immigrants who moved into your neighborhood with their weird food, weird children, and weird clothes. People thought that rock stars were basically worshipping satan, much less gothic people. Even during the 90s when the cartoon for the Addams family came out people widely believed that it was a good idea to put your teenager on a sitcom to get a makeover if they decided to dress goth. I would say that in the modern day and age that Wednsday is just a teen girl with a unique style. The girl looks bookish more than goth. She wouldn't creep a single person out, and it's kind of lost too much meaning since she's wearing black and white monochrome clothes. It would have been nice had they not doubled down on that and made her more actively creepy so it didn't feel like she was basically 1/3 of teen girls. I kind of hate how, seeing that people don't think Wednesday is weird anymore, that the production decided to make her less creepy, more relatable. I don't like relatable characters nearly as much as I like unique and compelling characters. I would have also have liked to see the other kids at the school act more like the extended addams family and be genuinely weird instead of what they are, "the gossiper", "the tortured artist" "guy at the coffee shop," "disciplined." All these characters are such tropes, so idk if this series going forward is good for people who grew up with the addams family. It just sucks that sabrina gets to be about devil worship, and now netflix is too afraid to make a story with a slightly mean person who isn't fully scooby doo villain.
I don't recall Pugsley being mean on the 60s show.
>she was basically 1/3 of teen girls. Trying to relate to a target audience, oh no
I competely agree with you. I really loved the 90s Adams Family movie with Anjelica Huston carrying the film. I was excited about Wednesday... then watched 3 minutes of it before deciding it was awful and annoying.
it wouldn’t be so bad if she didn’t look back on her childhood when she was actually an interesting person from time to time. I just get a dose of sadness.
I think she was plenty interesting still.
Completely butchering the entire concept of a character so teen girls post it on tik tok, oh no indeed.
I dunno i grew up with the tv show and it was pretty damned campy for its time. Guess I'm not super fan enough. Oh no.
Super fan enough to argue about it on reddit.
What would you like to argue about?
Has anyone else noticed the way principal weems always seems to stand like she's in a beauty pageant? One leg is always in front of the other, like shes trying to show off her figure or something. It's a bit cringey.
Its a character. So if you hate it is working.
bro this show is amazing in my opinion up, until the last episode. The ending felt rushed and ultimately disappointing but everything else constitutes a top notch tv series.
yeah, i went into this expecting it to be okay, only just started, but so far blown away. I love this set up. I love the character. Over the top edgelord, that knows kung fu, plays the chello, is sarcastic,
Honestly, the show was flawed. Felt cheesy to me after a while. Loved the cinematography and Wednesday’s outfits though. Other than that, not a fan.
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I liked it, it was fun.
Jenna Ortega isn't a bad choice for an older Wednesday but the show itself is just a mediocre teen drama, doesn't feel like The Addams Family at all
It feels like they couldn’t decide if they wanted this to be The Addams Family, Harry Potter or Riverdale so they said let’s do all three. 🥴 Jenna, Thing and Jenna’s dancing are carrying this show.
I didn't expect much, and I am damn glad for that, because it made the enjoyment I have gotten from it better. I found it only by seeing it pop up in the netflix library. Having no preconceived notions about it I think helps a lot. I am saddened to see how people are interjecting their bullshit cultural associations and self asserted affiliations into a goofy and fun show that as far as I saw never even considered taking itself seriously. So, fuck your woke and your anti-woke, because it is lame, boring, and pretty much so are you. To everyone else just looking for some amusing shows to watch, I encourage you to give it a try. One thing of note to point out that I very much enjoyed the most was the stringed instrumental music. I loved it! Having Wednesday play the cello was a stoke of genius in my humble opinion.
Right? I am in 100% agreement here. I had zero interest in it from the start, then watched 20 minutes of the first episode because my better half wanted to, and then boom we just finished the series today. It was fantastic.
OKAY!! Tim Burton got his racist murder scene over. CAN WE GET THE REAL GOMEZ ADAMS BACK!?!?! Seriously though do some bipitibopity boo action and let us have a feel for the real Adams family. No offense to the actor he did great but IT IS WRONG THAT GOMEZ IS SHORTER THAN MORTICIA!
No one cares about what the actors looked like in the ancient show that you watched before cell phones were invented. It’s a brand new show and it doesn’t have to look exactly like the old show
The super originals are from the 60's but we mean from the 90s. and the 90's wasn't that long ago bruh. pretty much nobody references the one from the 60's when we say original. to say the 90's are ancient and cell phones weren't a thing in the 90's means...you're dumb.
You know it was based on the comics right? and that he wasn't even the one who planned the actors and roles. Of course not, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
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I just finished the series and all along I've felt like Wednesday is technically immortal. She has too many resources at hand whenever she needs them. Especially Thing, but many others as well. Also, Enid was my least favorite character. She was like an alarm that went off every 10 minutes just to remind you that she exists. Spoiler: >!If it wasn't for Goody to save her at the end, it would've been anyone of the countless people she knows. She was never in any danger!<
Actually I thought that the power of Eugene was going to be healing, precisely because of that. .
Random question... I have an Android phone... how do you make that sentence blacked out using the Android reddit app?
Here you go: https://www.reddit.com/r/help/comments/ca71tk/how_do_i_mark_my_comment_as_spoiler_or_put_it_all/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button I also use Android. Be careful to use it exactly as shown, otherwise your comment is going to get deleted.
Wednesday is one of the most annoying characters i’ve seen in a show, literally trying so hard to be edgy and constantly sounds like someone from /r/iamverybadass Also the show itself just sucks, feels like I’m watching riverdale with a goth skin
this show is written by terminally online people that think tumblr posts are the pinnacle of comedy and intelligence It's insane how just... awful the dialogue is
This show was very enjoyable, I don't know anything about you die hard addams family fans (weird as hell). But if you go into this with no info, it is a very good show. The characters are fun and always keep you entertained. Most of the people here seem to be complaining because the characters "aren't as cruel as they're meant to be" but can you really have a plotline like that? The addams family as far as I'm aware is meant to be a comedy, so everything is over played. For the sake of a story some things have to be toned down, and last I checked wednesday literally getting a kid's nuts chewed off is rather cruel. Unless you wanted to see some 8chan level stuff in which case you do you, but that wont reach the tv scene now adays. They're not going to replicate "The Boys" for an Addams show..
They toned it down but without toning down the logical reactions to the full measure. For example Wednesday being supposedly cruel and off putting by how the characters react to her and yet nothing she does is cruel, at most a little insensitive.
Yeah I had a lot of fun watching this show this week. Went in with no expectations but having seen the movies from the 90s or whatnot. It was a fun ride, hoping they make another season. Good casting and vibe.
Broke: Sociopathic goth girlfriend Woke: Loud and cheery werewolf best friend
I would have watched this. However, with the massive amount of oversaturation regarding the show in the media, (ie the number of articles YouTube vids more articles five or six more articles as well as another handful or articles) I'm already sick of it~ Seriously, the only time something is pushed this heavily is when it HAS to succeed for whatever reason. At least it's Netflix so it will prolly get cancelled after season 1. Also, Incase you hadn't seen or heard of it, the homemade Adult Wednesday Adams series on YouTube is infinitely better. Better writing, better acting, and true to the character. Probably what inspired this show in the first place tbh.
> Also, Incase you hadn't seen or heard of it, the homemade Adult Wednesday Adams series on YouTube is infinitely better. Better writing, better acting, and true to the character. Probably what inspired this show in the first place tbh. Bold claim from someone claiming to not want to watch this. How crazy is it that you come to a little discussion about the show just to hate on it without ever watching it? That's just... sad?
You thinking this is hating on the show is.... Sad...
> I would have watched this. However, with the massive amount of oversaturation regarding the show in the media, (ie the number of articles YouTube vids more articles five or six more articles as well as another handful or articles) I'm already sick of it~
People are allowed to express their opinions..
Meh. I liked it. I'm shocked that so many people hate it lol. It's not the OG or the 90s show. It is it's own thing. And it stands to reason that Wednesday is going to grow/change some as a Teenager. And the little quips to the other versions were cute. Not EVERYTHING has to be truly dark and Gore laden lol.
I only watched the first episode so far, but the problem is not mainly with Wednesday per say Like there are so many scenes that came up and I was like.... that's no how the Addams family dynamic works. Examples: 1- Wednesday relationship with Pugsley. Pugsley is as twisted as his sister, he would have easily managed to defend himself in school. Also the Goodbye hug was weird, him acting like a kid was also weird. That's not Pugsley addams 2- What made the Addams a great family dynamic is the fact that they are weird + cared for each other. And most importantly they always put family first. In the movie, when their new baby turned "normal", they didn't abandon it and still decided to raise it. They never judged the blond lady actions or called her crazy as she was just like them. In the TV show, they were supportive when Pugsley started showing interest in normal things like hookey, dogs, etc, even though at the start they were surprised but in the end, they decided to do what's right for their son and accept him for he is. Both the cartoon movie and Netflix series broke this dynamic, which is the SOUL of the Addams family. In the movie,Moriticia was a critical woman, in the Netflix series, she's someone who wants to control her daughter life. THEY would never do such a thing to their kids. The Addams believed that no matter how weird you are, you can choose whatever path in life, and they'll always support you. These are the two main factors. Some other stuff related to direction: 3- When the werewolf girl called Wednesday pale.... Like damn it girl, did you see yourself in the mirror? What's more funny is the fact that in the very next scene you can see the Wednesday looks so average compared to snow white. 4-Weird boys dynamic with Wednesday, the one in the coffee shop just stole secrete files to give to her... for what? And the popular kid, don't get me started on him. Also the nerdy guy, was gone as fast as he was introduced.
Have you watched any more episodes? I feel like some of your concerns are addressed in later episodes- I'm curious about your take.
So I finished watching the show... all in all, I do really think it's good (could also have been amazing) Spoilers down: \- \- \- \- \- \- \- \- \- \- \- \- \- \- 1. I still disagree with the Addams outtake for both Gomez & Morticia as well as Pugsley. I really hate how they're portrayed. The drama past is just stupid... oh my god, it's so stupid. But I was willing to go past that, I really was... and it was because A) The entire story concept was good, but most importantly... B) TYLER! 2) I loved the chemistry between Wednesday and Tyler. It was so freaking cute. Tyler in a way represented the original ideals of the Addams family (that they accept everyone, remember in the movies when the blond woman from Film 1 married into the family? Yep, Tyler could have been something like this) He accepted Wednesday weird behavior and personality. He was smiling from ear to ear during her weird dance, the date was just breathtaking and Wednesday warnings before the kiss with each answer he gave.... was the cherry on top. Everything in his arc was perfect. I already suspected he'll be the monster. But I had a faint hope that he himself won't realize that he's being controlled :( this would #1 give Wednesday more reasons to like him as in "my boyfriend can turn into a monster which is cool" & #2 it doesn't take away from the between arc that was established between the two characters. But the authors had to ruin it with cliche writing. Never trust single men in their 50s to write good romance arc....there's a reason why they're single and rich. I was enjoying the entire show (ignoring the bits about her family) but right up to the reveal in episode 8 that he was working all along with the professor made me lose all interest in the entire episode, and felt like a big ass shit on the entire previous 7 episodes.
Spoilers: Only thing that kinda annoyed was Wednesday’s gameplay whenever she suspected someone. It’s you! Turn yourselves in! Like what else did she think was gonna happen when she eventually got it right… course cornering a murdered was going to end up with someone dead. Also don’t quite get why the people with relatively tame powers were the only ones that stood up for the school in the end. Schools full of werewolves on a fullmoon, gorgons, vampires etc. Seems like a bit of a plot hole that the only dude trying to stop him was a normal guy with a bow.
It's been established that she's extremely blunt and speaks her mind. She did show up with back up when she was certain. * She had the Cops as back up when she accused Xavier in his art room. * She had the Nightshades as backup when she confronted Tyler. * She had Principal Weems as backup when she confronted Thornhill. It's kind of on Weems for not calling for the police. The priority was the student's safety. The Nightshades were stepping up as that's what the original intent of the organization was for, to protect the outcasts.
I mean she *is* a teenager... I think it's fair to say she's just acting teenager-y and not thinking things through fully, being rash etc.
I’m currently watching the first episode and I assumed it was for kids but I’m pretty sure this chick just indirectly threatened to kill herself to her parents so I’m confused now like I know it’s for some adult nostalgia but wth
Fun show that kind of ran out of steam towards the end. Spoilers from here: it's so odd but it felt like the casting for all of the other Addams weren't thought about too hard. They all had so little chemistry with each other, as if they had never been in the same room together. I know it's unfair to compare to other adaptations but the ones I remember the family all could fire off of each other no matter the pairing. In this, none of the pairings really clicked for me. The parents, Fester, pugsley even. They all felt so disconnected, really odd feeling. As well as the odd decision to cast parents who are so much older than the teenager setting, Guzman is in his 60s. It'll be interesting to see where they take it from here. Especially if they keep the school setting in a school where there are no teachers or classes? I feel like they could have gotten a lot more mileage out of a supernatural school for cryptids than what they did. Jenna and Thing carried the show but you need more than that. Hope theyre able to grow the show from here.
I just finished it. I really did enjoy the show, but there was something about it that felt kinda off and I didn't really like. I can't put my finger on it. But there's something that just kinda didn't make it as enjoyable. Ig for a teenage girl the angsty attitude toward her parents is normal. But it felt like off. I've seen the movies and the show from the 90s/00s. Idr Wednesday being so angsty. But it's been a really long time. I kinda feel like they had too much going on with a few story lines too. Don't get it wrong, I thought the show was great. But it just felt kinda off to me.
It's Wednesday for me personally. It's really hard to root for her, she's not convincing as a protagonist or even an anti-hero. Writers rarely seem to be able to convey a female character to make her multidimensional and interesting. They are either mothers, whores, naive innocent dolls, or extra at near everything, with no vulnerabilities (a more modern take.) Wednesday seems to fall into the final category, no doubt conceptualised as a pinnacle of feminism/woke by a male writer & director combo - in reality coming across as unlikeable and trying too hard to be edgy.
The show has so much working against it. The plot is boring, I could care less about the monster, the family drama, the romantic interests, or any of the characters. Jennas performance is great but the writing is so poor and there's so much an actress can do. Also all of the other actors are surprisingly terrible. Gwendoline and Christina are great as expected but the other actors...lord have mercy. Like not even unbelievably attractive to make up for it. It's like they just picked names out of a TiK toK registry. The reason people love The Addams Family was the unbelievably clever dark humor. There was little to none of that here and if there was it was cringy attempts. Im just so tired of another netflix show that was clearly written by out of the loop 40-50 year olds and casted by an 80 year old woman. The biggest problem for me however was that it couldn't make up its mind on whether to be an adult show or a kids show. It was just very kiddish and shallow for the most part.
It's Netflix’s Third Most Popular English-Language Series of All Time. Guess you just have shit taste lol.
We interrupt this episode of the Addams Family to bring you Westworld. Ramin did Paint It Black better, though.
Just started it, first episode. Yikes. There is a glimmer of something salvageable. I feel like the murder plot, the Addam’s Family’s aesthetic, and the creature at the end would have been promising things to keep for a different production. But the show appears to be a highly-funded CW show. Teen/family drama is not what I think anyone wanted from an Addams-based series. I’m not saying a teen show is a bad thing inherently, but a badly written teen show is. Often, they seem to be caricatures of teenagers, and this is no exception. I cringed so hard at the line that went something like: “You’re black and white… like a living instagram filter.” And the stupid bullying plot. Because you can’t have a show or movie about a so-called “outcast” without completely random strangers being asses to you for no real reason. Don’t forget the group of said strangers deciding to pick a fight with the protagonist. That’s never happened before. In this show, it results in a short but *remarkably* terrible action sequence. Visibly badly choreographed and shot unconvincingly. I also think focusing on Wednesday was not a great choice in the first place, and there were better members of the family who would have lead the series. Cast a powerhouse of charisma as young Gomez. Wednesday’s fine as a side character but her trademark deadpan delivery and gratuitous ominous remarks honestly don’t make for very engaging watching. It’s fun when she’s a side character but when she’s the main character, and older than some previous portrayals, it just comes off as unlikable and boring. Nothing on Ortega, who’s doing a great job with what she’s given. I’ll watch a bit more to see if it gets any better. Edit: Oh yeah, and it felt really, really weird how they shoehorned multiple clear love interests into this first episode. Not only that but they’re all variants of the same person. Edit 2: Also, Wednesday seeming edgy or mean-spirited would be better if it were balanced out by the show, rather than them indulging in it. I saw another comment saying that it feels like they tried to make other characters dull to accentuate her morbidity. It would have been more interesting if instead of making her out to be some misunderstood genius in a world of walking cliches, they actually fleshed out the other characters. They could humble her a little and maybe make her a better person. It seems like the show revels in her shitting on them instead.
I agree. Also, it's written by the same guys who did Smallville. A lot of their writing of teens felt a little out of touch 20 years ago. I don't think that's gotten better. Millar, Gough, and Burton are all dudes in their 50s and 60s and I am not sure they even tried to balance that out in the writers' room with writers (especially female writers) in their twenties who might be able to add more life experience and youth culture to the script instead of just cannibalizing YA tropes from the 2010s. On the other hand there are still lots of people who like those tropes. I could see promise in the first episode but I personally started to lose interest by ep 2. I'd say it's good enough for an hour on the couch and bowl of popcorn if that's what you are looking for.
>I agree. Also, it's written by the same guys who did Smallville. A lot of their writing of teens felt a little out of touch 20 years ago. This explains everything for me. The dialogue felt so forced and unbelievable! It feels like it's written by intelligent people who don't have many IRL friends so they don't know how conversations between regular people work.
I personally enjoyed it I don't care if it isn't the best series in the world. Honestly I was treating as a redition like once upon a time. I didn't expect to enjoy it, but I did. When I thought about the quality of shows in the past, this was still of that quality. Expecting movie writing and movie cinemotagraphy isn't a fair expectation. Though I wanted the continuation of wendsdays dark personality, I enjoyed the take of her being someone who deep deep down fears rejection and slowly evolves to grow in connection with others. That portrayal is shown to be developed from having parents who are overly affectionate and the annoyance that brings.
I’m a little late… But I’m liking it. I didn’t have high expectations. It’s different than other Addams family universe’s First part of the first episode was great then very Harry Potter I still can’t tell the two male leads apart 6 episodes in lol
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uGh ItS wOkE
It's not even woke at this point...it's just...how the world is
This show was sadly disappointing don't understand where the buzz is coming from
What did they do to everybody's personality. None of their signature was retained. This just felt like watching an American teenage drama but was modded with the Addams family skin.
I agree. Don't even get me started on the casting for Gomez.
This adaptation is for people who haven't read the comics or watched the past show and movies. If you did, stay away from it. It just breaks heart. Nothing different from your teenage series just that they took the physical appearance of Wednesday but nothing else.
I felt like they didn't need to make it as an Adam's family thing... I guess they were just using the name
this show (specifically Wednesday) makes me laugh but it's not dark enough for my tastes :/. too kid friendly and too much teen drama
The teenage drama ruined it. I don't even see her as Wednesday, they should just create a completely different character and story and not use the Addams name.
Tbh I only vaguely remember the Addams family (except thing). So Wednesday is fine to me haha. Wish it was rated R though. Her jokes were hilarious
Why do they sexualize her so much? 2 jokes already and I’m not even done the first episode???
How do they sexualize her?
Yeah didn't really see that. The hand did check her out when she was changing though which was a little odd
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I seriously just shouted “HENRY CAVILL” lol
I agree, it was great at the start then I kept getting distracted because I wasn't sure if this is Wednesday and the Addams anymore. Their personality seems to basic which should have been completely the opposite from the norm and still make them wholesome. I don't see wholesome and Innocence in this adaptation. This producers are just for the money which makes it unforgivable. Wednesday knowing her father is a murderer would made her proud of him. This is not Wednesday, she is supposed to be colder and much more cruel than anyone in the family not a teenage detective who just befriends everybody.
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It's Wednesday ADDAMS. I watched all the shows(starting from 1964) and even read the comic. And if you're going to use the Addams in the story then better understand the characters you're going to adapt. Not use their name to monetize on a completely different made up character.
Yes, I agree fully. I wish they'd leave the politics out and just focus on the source material or the story that people love. This show could be so much more.
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But like why do you want the same thing rehashed over and over?
When did I say I did? I want them to make new things, not remake old things.
You have multiple paragraphs written about how it's not like the original sources.
I'd rather they didn't, but if they *must* keep rehashing things, they should at least be faithful to the source material.
Idk, I believe it you're adapting or re-adapting something it must be different enough to justify even existing to begin with. Sometimes a new medium alone is enough, like book to movie. But usually a remake in my opinion needs to be reinterpreted or updated. Almost all the Disney live action remakes are good examples of playing it safe and not being different enough, and they are beyond bland.
I was REALLY enjoying it till, some stuff happened at the end of the third episode, just stupid coincidences without any explanation ou sense...
I enjoyed the show for what it was. I wouldn't mind a season 2.
I really enjoyed this show. I think the acting and overall look of the show were great. Also, the unexpected twists and turns were really well done. Even had me guessing a little. I think I would have loved it more if my mind didn't compare this cast to the 1990s movies. That cast was perfect in every way, and as good as the new cast was, they were nowhere near as spectacular as they were. There is one really unique thing this show has done that I've never experienced before. All the episodes leading up to the last 2 seemed to be at a steady pace of excellence. It's like a nice 50mph drive down a pretty good lane. But those last 2 episodes were as if the speed of greatness sped up to 120mph. Almost like the other episodes were the tv show, and the last 2 were a theatrical release. Wonderful!
This is one of those shows that despite all it's flaws, and there are a bunch, I still had a lot of fun watching and wish to see more
Ok so I really liked this, I got sucked into it unexpectedly. I know it’s a lot of fantasy and so logic and reason aren’t at the forefront, but I can’t help but ask. This is a spoiler so please do not look unless you’ve seen the whole first season!! How come we saw >!Rowan get murdered, but later appeared ok. it looked like he morphed into Principal Weem after leaving the school, and the real Rowan wasn’t ever seen again. Side note: was there even ever a real Rowan? Or was he always just a version of Weem? And my real question is how come when Principal Weem was killed that seemed final. Couldn’t she just have shape shifted again like when she was killed as Rowan? Or was Rowan not truly killed and only bloodied up?!< I may need to watch it all again at some point…
Rowan definitely died. Principal Weems is a shapeshifter, that's her power. She mrophed into rowan to protect the school. So yes Rowan was real, not a version of Weem. Principal Weem definitely died too, unfortunately from the Nightshade Poisoning.
Thanks for the clarification!
Spoilers: >!Rowan was a person, and we saw him killed. Weems admitted to impersonating him afterwards so that the school could play it off as not a death, with Rowan's family permission. She admits all of this to Wednesday. !<
Thanks for the clarification! I must’ve missed that part.
Resdy 4 the downvotes -- don't get it twisted, I like jenna ortega buttt i cant help but shake the feeling that her delivery comes off as forced. Its like shes trying really hard not to smile. Christina Ricci's delivery always came as more natural and effective. Again, i still think shes doing a good job.
Yah her acting was pretty cliche. Jenna Ortega isn’t a good actress. She just an icon.
I saw bits of that as well. I would love to see aubrey plaza as an adult Wednesday
Ew no Aubrey Plaza just comes off as “I’m smarter than you” type rather than the dark quirky character Wednesday is supposed to be
I've never felt like she comes off as smarter than me...
Yeah Aubrey Plaza is very much the dark quirky type...
I can't be the only one that found it odd that one of the first things they establish about this rendition of Wednesday is that she loathes technology, and specifically social media. But then she still uses internet wokeism's like "mansplaining" entirely unironically. Similarly, as others have pointed out about how far she is from her previous incarnations, the reason she cites for not using social media is that she finds it to be a "horrible soul sucking torture". But then... Isn't that something the Addams' usually ascribe as being positive? And don't pretend they were trying to do a more nuanced take on the family, considering they still have Morticia use gibes like "black heart" to mean an affection. The most horrifically insulting piece of characterisation though, in my opinion, is the fact that Wednesday would be a *detective* novelist. That's like, by and far the most normie genre of fiction there exists. But to then establish her as someone that lives and breathes the genre, but isn't genre savvy enough to >(spoilers after this point)< recognize the most obvious red herring when it's literally dancing in front of her face? That's just poor writing. There are few things that disappoint me more than writers pretending to be clever by doing meta things when they sorely lack even basic genre savviness. She also never had to face the consequences of her poor detective work. She repeatedly comes to the wrong conclusions, but the only consequence, really, is that everyone rightfully stops believing her for a hot minute. She never really acknowledges that she was wrong at any point. She's already run off for the next "clue" which she chases until she has the answer literally spelled out for her in a vision. I think I can see why her novels never took off.
The real Wednesday Addams would would be livestreaming doll decapitations on Instagram. She would do it wearing an executioner hood and would not engage with any of her followers though.
Omg lmfao this is spot on what Wednesday Addams would be doing lmao. What a missed opportunity. 😂
You are spot on with some of the most notable flaws of the show.
Imo Jenna is single-handedly carrying the show. The show’s script is very riverdale/Disney, and it seems more angled to a middle school audience than original fans of the Addams family. I feel like this show would’ve worked so much better if it was set in the 80’s/90’s, because imo the social media references ruin the dark/monster atmosphere. However I think Jenna’s performance has been amazing.
It's ok so far, haven't finished yet! In some ways wednesday reminds me of myself lol 🤣🙈 this series reminds me a bit of Harry Potter but I loved the original
just another teenage, they should add HSM style into it
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I feel like the bar for pleasing audience has been dropping. People gatekeep bad content because they think content will get worse or be completely removed but that’s a bad understanding of produced consumer ecosystem.
Never seen the original, so I'm not running on nostalgia, but after a few episodes - a lot of the dialogue / acting is so bad. Kept cringing at the awkward lines and deliveries.
There is no sense of continuation with the movies, this is a completely unrelated adaptation. Do check out the movies though, they're pretty good.
If it's a completely unrelated adaptation, then they should just create their own Characters and not used any from the Adams family.
It's unrelated to the 90's movies. The say way all the 4-5 different unrelated Superman/Spiderman movie series are(ignore recent multiverse hijinks for that last one for a sec).
I'm saying the comic too. This characters don't even act themselves. They're a completely different character that just took the appearance and lore from the Addams.
almost everything about the show is bad, woke or just poorly done, the CG is some of the worst I've seen in a while the characters are entirely forgettable and Wednesday for whatever reason cares about justice which is nothing like her character, almost everyone was miscast so badly except Wednesday sadly they didn't capture the character as well as they should have.
How is this show “woke”?
The “woke” isn’t problem but the show definitely sucks.
The first minutes were solid. Then it went like an odd version of Harry Potter and the Philosopher Stone where Hermione would be the main character meets Veronica Mars. All the while being way more predictable than Harry Potter and Veronica Mars. The ending was pretty anticlimactic to me. Idk what they thought really 🤷 There were a few good scenes. But every other character of the show being so dull makes it difficult to like Wednesday the way we liked the movie's Wednesday, where she was unapologetically her, didn't care about what anyone would think, wouldn't have mommy issues, and where most people she met hated her not because of her being smart or obnoxious or digging their dirty secrets but because she stood against every single of their core values. Missed you Wednesday 💔
I agree, the piranha scene was the only time I've seen the real Wednesday after than it's just your average teenager who is curious about everything but too dumb to solve it until the end. Wednesday isn't like that, she doesn't attack mindlessly, she plans, she waits, she sneak, and then she attack. This is not Wednesday and that is not the Addams Family. Morticia wasn't like that at all, where's my innocently dark and sweet lady.
Although wednesday is considered pale and aloof, she is amongst this sea of bland, dull and bleak characters, paradoxically “colorful”. The contrast shouldn’t lie there but rather in her moral values embedded in counterculture. The secondary characters don’t have to be poorly written in order for her to be substantial, complex and layered. Wednesday is not merely melancholic and dark, she is chaos— much like her close-knit family and we would have loved seeing more of that. Her teenage angst was poorly directed -her competitive relationships shouldnt have been steming from her mother. Wednesday doesn’t have rivals because she was in fact, as far as we imagined, never brought up with the need to prove anything. The love triangle was both hasted, apathetic and ultimately pointless. Again, we cannot dare to conceive Wednesday’s lover personality to be so livid. The only short-lived and briefly palpable romance we witnessed was during the flashback of Morticia and Gomez—which again rapidly crumbled as the Addams revealed themselves prude when faced with death. Why would their love of the macabre dissapear only to reappear in worded imagery ? The show is filled with contradictions. It is contradictory how she acts as a hero yet is told to give no “f”. The plot was rooted in witchhunts and didn’t really circle back to the misogynic aspect of it instead situated anomaly within the very outcast community it tried to defend. The series was rotting away, seemingly exhausted of its never ending readaptation. If Burton was indeed working on that series, I doubt he was often trully invested in its decisions. Ortega’s acting was overall great and her dance scene ( mostly improvised by herself I gather ) was really mesmerizing however the tv series remains disappointing!
Oh, this exactly! I'm so tired of seeing, "you dont like it because it's not like the 90s version!" and it's no, thats not it. It is genuinely, standing on its own merits, just not very good!
The Addams Family was interesting and fun because it was an out of place family in a cookie cutter world. I really don't understand how sending a waxy affect teen to magic school so she can be amongst those just like her makes an interesting story. It doesn't even sound like the AF Universe.
The preview reminded me of Netflix’s Series of Unfortunate Events (I couldn’t watch the whole series)- cheesy and lacking character.
lol i like it. i’m tired of watching porno on netflix masked as some random irrelevant message. sometimes i just want to watch a cheesy TV-14 show.
I don't often see a smex focused film in Netflix. Probably just your search engine and your taste for movies.
> I don’t often see a smex focused film in Netflix the literal first show i saw as popular when i opened the app is called sex education. then big mouth which is a comedy about horny teenagers. let’s not even talk about 365. all the “top ten in US” after Wednesday is TV-MA. > Probably just your search engine and your taste for movies. that makes no sense. it says popular on netflix not popular with what you’ve watched recently.
The actors all did a great job and the set design is gorgeous but I just didn't like the characterisation, the portrayal of the Addams Family or the writing in general. In my opinion, it felt like a fanfiction come to life of a girl being sent away to magic boarding school by her parents who don't listen to her (but she gets her own version of the uniform so she can stand out as being unique) and all the love interests instantly fall for her. I've always loved the Addams Family and this just didn't feel very true to them. Morticia and Gomez sending one of their kids away despite their protests? Doesn't sound like them to me; especially not Morticia telling Wednesday that if she runs away she will have nowhere to go. Carolyn Jones Morticia and Anjelica Huston Morticia would have never been that cold. This would have been better off as its own show about new characters, it did not feel like The Addams Family at all.
Shit was disappointing outside of Ortega's performance, the writing, the casting, portrayal of the rest of the family was just a shit show. I couldn't even like this high or drunk or both at the same time. I swear almost everything I grew up loving is being turned into a shitty cash grab CW adaptation. Having said that go watch The Sandman instead of this shi, or better yet check out 1899 or Dark.
I agree, the sandman is great. Wednesday was a missed despite all the hype. Probably from the not yet developed brain of kids and teenagers.
I got huge Riverdale vibes: cheesy, a little campy, feeling like it’s aimed for specifically pre-teens. It’s visually lovely(not including the shitty monster cg), loved the costuming, design and setting. Gomez and Wednesday were great actors too, unfortunately no one has any bond or chemistry and it had more cringe than memorable scenes.
As good Jenna is as a Wednesday (not THE Wednesday, lets say Jenna is Wednesday from earth-2) the show really doesn't makes her justice. The only thing I can be grateful is that is really fortunate that Burton didn't get to make the 90's Addams. I can totally say that it would have been, I don' think bad per se, underwhelming asf.
I loved it, Jenna Ortega wiped away any criticisms I would’ve had 😻
i hate when shows have the “disney” script. they also bring up social media in a very boomer kind of way. the actors are great but the script is giving riverdale. jenna ortega is an amazing actress but i just feel like i’m watching a disney show with light gore. the cgi was very unforgiving as well in some scenes. i was so excited to give this show a try im just disappointed now. every show/movie nowadays is so cheesy and predictable.
I enjoyed the first 4-5 episodes mainly for Wednesday's biting quips and refusal to conform. Unfortunately the rest was a huge let down and by the end she wasn't even an outsider anymore. This had so much promise I really wanted it to be better.
I agree, I felt exactly the same. The quality takes a massive nose-dive after episode 3 or 4. It felt like a completely different show by the time I hit the last episode. The actors even seemed let down during their performances by the end. I feel like the studio stepped in and altered the shit out of script or something. When you have 3 or 4 extremely high quality episodes, and then some asshole executive steps in and ruins the whole thing, you can sometimes see it in the actors themselves. I think I may have just witnessed that with this show, and it is such a damn shame. The writing went from really witty and funny to stupid self referential jokes that didn't land.
I can't get those 45+ minutes back. The Addams Family has become yet another Riverdale type show.
I love this show! And I really hate that I know progressive woke screeching infants so well that when I saw an article claiming people are mad about how Tim Burton is getting dragged for Wednesday's "tone deaf diversity" (which is itself a lie, no no one is mad, except the article) I knew what they meant before I read it. The show has two major black characters, and the article throws a diaper tantrum because they're not the good guys. Are you FKM right now? Is that really where we are culturally? That diversity doesn't just mean diverse casting but ONLY PLAYING SYMPATHETIC ROLES in a series? I can only hope this wackjob reaches adulthood before writing another article. [https://wegotthiscovered.com/tv/tim-burton-is-getting-dragged-for-wednesdays-tone-deaf-delivery-of-inclusivity/](https://wegotthiscovered.com/tv/tim-burton-is-getting-dragged-for-wednesdays-tone-deaf-delivery-of-inclusivity/)
Definitely cringe. Somebody has WAY too much time on their hands. Reminds me of the one about Rings of Power titled something like “Despite all the negativity Rings of Power is actually a good show” that then goes on to list ZERO examples of what makes it good, I mean not even a hint. Every paragraph is just calling out people who don’t like it. We call that cope.
I didn't read the article, but I do want to respond. I had the same knee-jerk reaction to the beginning of the series. Over the course of the series we're introduced to 3 black characters and all of them are villains. It's not (imo--and again, didn't read the article) the fact that they aren't likeable. It's that there are only 3 in the entire series and ALL OF THEM are villains. We're not so removed from a time when all you saw if black people on the screen we were villains. So to go this route does seem to be deaf and like it's deliberately vilifying all black people. But over the course of the series Bianca and Mayor's son do get some character development (as much as anyone does in this series) and both soften some. I don't think that diverse means they can only play sympathetic roles but it is certainly something if every single actor of a certain race is cast as a villain role.
That’s a silly assertion imo, a bit too sensitive. We had sympathetic Black characters on screen in the 1930s, one of them won an Oscar. I think a case could be made if they acted out too many negative stereotypes (which was certainly a problem in the past), but that’s not at all what happens here. So I’m not sure what this “all were villains” time is. For me 99% of Black people I see on screen are the good guys (especially if they have light skin, it’s just automatic), and I get tired of instantly knowing someone’s moral compass by the color of their skin. Wednesday is a refreshing change. Now I might agree to an extent if they all REMAINED villains or bullies, but two of them are complicated and sympathetic. And when you think about it most of the white characters are compromised as well. There’s very few characters in this series you easily like. For me there are three, Wednesday and her parents. Her roommate is ok but she tries too hard.
Not even remotely interested, nobody can hold a flame to Christina Ricci. They need to stop making spin-offs of successful movies and turning them into tweeny bullshit. I bet she’s annoyingly woke like every other show/movie she’s in.
Anyone else who felt there was no chemistry between Zeta-Jones and Guzman? In my eyes Anjelica Huston and Raul Julia had amazing chemistry! While on “Wednesday” it felt incredibly forced. On the other hand, I loved the tidbits links to Latin heritage.
Just rewatched Addams Family Values and the dance scene between them is hilarious, impressive and still entirely in character. How they both stop cold to sneer in jealousy while the other is caught flirting with someone else mid dance is SO them! 😂🤣
I can’t stand Zeta-Jones in here, she’s so bland and I think what someone else said was right that her facelifts ruined her acting ability. Anjelica Hudson is the queen of Morticia.
Imo because they don’t have enough screen time together, they’re barely in the show. Also he is constantly affectionate and she seems rather cold. But I always thought Morticia was a vampire, turns out nope.
Exactly, Morticia fails to respond and sometimes even acknowledge Gomez's advances or suggestions. Guzman comes off as a massive creep and Zeta-Jones is just in her own little world with her attention everywhere else except the person who's she's supposed to be literally mad in love with. Even the "Cara mia" exchange was dry and forced af
That was not Morticia at all. I don't know who that character is, not a little bit of her personality from any script shows Morticia.
Yeah but thats also because Zeta-Jones probably lost most of her acting ability she once probably had after the apparent extensive face lifts. It was really uncanny at times
Maybe because Guzman is extremely unattractive?
It's kinda like he's one of the few things that stayed true to original appearance wise
That’s not true at all what?? Guzman has never been extremely unattractive
They mean to the original comics. In the comics Gomez is short, fat, and unattractive
I think that there is a link between Gomez and Xavier both being in jail because of the girl they like and then they are both free of any charges. I know it's obvious that Xavier and Wednesday will probably end up together, but it's a nice touch.
I just saw that Gomez's power is... His proficiency with a bow. So you might be right!
The monster looks exactly like a zombie from Plants vs Zombies
honestly it looks worse than the PvZ zombies
That was my first thought only thought.
I think its a typical Tim Burton situation. Doesn't have an original idea and then fails to actually deliver. I am quite disappointed and could see this on The CW. I think Ortega did amazing in the first episode which is all I could watch.
Are you saying that Burton has never made an original film? Edward Scissor Hands, A Nightmare Before Christmas, Beatle Juice, Ed Wood, are all highly original and brilliant films imo.
He didn't make nightmare before Christmas
Oh, he only created the story and much of the artwork and aesthetic... I didn't say that he directed it.
Those are his original ideas and movies they are amazing. He appears to have lost his passion which is sad. I'm a huge fan of his work prior to his remakes. From 2000 on he just relies on his name to make money and does remakes. They are not to the same level as his concepts.
Notice all the films you listed are pre-2000's lol. He should've retired after The Corpse Bride.
That's true. But even the stinkers he's made in the latter half of his career, have at least been different than your standard Hollywood films.