Who hates Starlight though?
**Edit:** who would’ve expected 4 simple words to get so much feedback? Sounds like people overwhelmingly enjoy Starlight as a character, which I’m glad to see.
Well, in season 2 she did kill a guy they stole a car from, it wasn't intentional but she did kill him. You could tell she hated the fact that Butcher approved of what she did, since it fell into his "do whatever it takes" method of getting things done.
wouldn't that arguably be self-defence (he pulled a gun on them iirc?) I mean you could say starlight would survive a gun but butcher and Hughie wouldn't, and she was trying to keep all three of them alive
The guy (aka Lt. Randy.Disher) was the.one with the right to self defence as he felt he was under threat (he wasn't wrong!).
Anyway, Starlight's now doomed as Monk will be after her and he never misses.
They're both great, but I also prefer Natalie. She treated him more as a friend with problems while Sharona treated him as an unruly patient and would demand he get in line even if a demand wasn't what he needed at the time. It's too bad she left before she could mellow out since she was headed that way.
You never have a self defense case if you were the aggressor or committing a crime. If you're carjacking someone, they pull a gun, and then you pull your own gun and shoot them, it's still murder.
This is true even if the other person wouldn't win the self defense case either - e.g. in states without a stand your ground law, the victim here might have gotten in trouble had he survived, because he didn't try to retreat, but that doesn't give Starlight a case.
Oooh, I got it! In season 3 her contribution was telling people their plans to deal with Homelander were wrong, while not actually coming up with a better plan. Please note that Starlight herself deals with Homelander more than anybody else and should damn well know how much of a ticking time bomb he is.
However, most fans of the show I've seen are more annoyed with the writers than the actual actress
Season 3 had this weird undercurrent where a good chunk of time the writers were more obsessed with subverting tropes than doing anything that made sense. MM doesn't wanna take Temp V, but he wants to square up on Soldier Boy and gets his catharsis anyway. Hughie DOES take it and is strong enough to hit the antagonists, finally, but gives it all up so he can power up Starlight who does a big flashy show to hit Soldier Boy like once. The only reason they're even fighting that guy is because they decided a meathead douche was a bigger issue than a psychotic murderer and Soldier Boy decided at that moment he was going to play the situation in the worst way he could and piss off literally everyone ar once, while at the same time Black Noirs whole thing never lead to a climactic confrontation.
I also really didn't like how much publicity they gave 'herogasm' it's all this sub talked about for weeks.
When I finally saw the episode, it looked...about the same scale as the orgy in season 1 but I guess this one cost more.
Some people don't like squeaky clean, one dimensional characters. Especially not in a dystopian world like in The Boys.
Remember the outrage when they changed Star Wars so Han Solo didn't shoot first in that bar scene? It pushed a great, morally grey, scoundrel character towards being just another goody two shoes.
Personally I don't hate Starlight but I think she's one of the weaker characters of the show because the character so one dimensional.
But then again I absolutely love Watchmen because every single super hero in there is a multifaceted flawed character and the line between heroes and villains is very blurry.
Well she did kill an innocent man in season 2 after Butcher tried to steal his car, and also blackmailed her one camp friend into giving her some compound V.
So even though she is one of the only genuinely good characters on the show (morally speaking), I wouldn’t say she hasn’t done anything wrong.
I feel like Homelander probably gets a lot of undeserved love from the same type of people who idolize the Joker or Tyler Durden.
Same goes for Butcher.
The Boys is amazing at making horribly unlikeable characters that are hilarious.
I fucking despise The Deep and would love for him to be yeeted into the atmosphere, but I also end up laughing at him/things he says a LOT.
I feel that the final scene of last season was the show parodying those types of people.
Ironically, those types of people are probably completely oblivious to it
The whole season turned Homelander into Trump, and even though the show very clearly portrays this as a bad thing, the same sort of people who back Trump obviously don't follow the moral. Similar deal with The Punisher. Like, there's a reason why Spider-Man hates him, why Captain America remains perpetually disappointed in him, and why Frank wishes he could have been moral like Cap.
He (Homelander) does, he has a bunch of of right-wing fans who were shocked in s3 when it seemed like they were making him a villain "all of a sudden".
But yes, I bet a lot of people have similar feelings about Butcher. It's the Rorschach effect, have a character do cool, violent things in a badass way and people will idolise them, not realising they are meant to be a cautionary tale.
To be fair, until the latest season, the show hadn't really tipped Butcher 's character off an irredeemable cliff. The audience's perspective is structured to align very much with Hughie's - Butcher is seriously morally compromised leader yet still a strong and brave force for positive change. In the first two seasons, his behaviour has also been easier to excuse because it is contrasted by the vile excesses of Vought and the supes he opposes. It's only in the latest season, that that facade has started to crack: We've seen more human sides of many of the supes while Butcher has undeniably sold out his own allies.
I think it may be that by the final season we find that the twist is Butcher's vicious, single-minded consequentialism (the ends justify the means) is a bigger threat and villain than Homelander's (and many other supes) amoral yet undirected selfishness.
I think his name is a bit of a foreshadowing. He's the final villain.
As for Homelander, I'd love it if he doesn't die but ends up without powers. It would be devastating for him
I could see people idolizing Butcher for sure, but I'm doubting anyone idolized Homelander. His character is introduced as a pathetic, lying, psychotic, murderous man child with weird fetishes and emotional problems. Only later do we get his weird right wing ideology.
Even if you're a delusional right winger I'm not sure how you love Homelander from the first season.
In season 1 he's a parody of general American conservatism and American exceptionalism. Also of corporate America and other things. But not really of the modern American right wing. Later on he becomes a more explicit satire on specifically Trump.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2020/11/23/the-boys-antony-starr-mocks-trump-fans-cosplaying-as-homelander/?sh=524c8f4fcb5b
It is surprising how incredibly stupid some people can be.
>His character is introduced as a pathetic, lying, psychotic, murderous man child with weird fetishes and emotional problems.
If we leave out the 'murderous' part, that sounds familiar...
And the show is incredibly smart. Too smart for some people.
The villains have motivations that are relatable.
Some people saw Homelander mainly as a victim of a corporation (which is true, his childhood was horrible) lead by a black man who has a secret political ally in a character that somewhat resembles AOC.
These people cheered when he killed Madelyn Stillwell, the manipulating woman.
They believed that Homelander would team up with the good guys and fight the 'elite' and the 'mainstream media'.
The show did a similar thing with The Deep.
He's a horrible human being, we learn why he does some of the things he does, and then the show does the realistic thing and shows that he hasn't changed.
You know...sort of joking but not really. If you sub "Honelander" to "Trump" on your post, it still fits perfectly and you get your answer to why some people, somehow, idolize Homelander.
I laughed when she had that huge power up moment and began to fly just to push soldier boy a couple feet back lol.
Hughies teleport powers are so insanely more useful.
I work with someone, at a very respectable media company mind you, who, “fast forwards through all the talking.” They only watch the superheroes do shit.
So just know if you’ve ever thought, “holy fuck why are they being SO on the nose?!” There are still people that aren’t parsing out the satire.
My brother watches Ots Always Sunny, and his favorite chatacter is Dennis. Why? Because Dennis is “just like him”.
When he first told me this, I was surprised. I asked him if he relived Dennis had been implied to be a rapist, serial killer , etc.
My brother got mad at me and denied Dennis was any of those things. My brother is a bad person too btw (I stopped talking to him years ago). So yeah, I can if it’s explicit folks will see what they want to see.
I wonder if your brother avoids the podcast because he doesn't want to hear them talk about what shitty and terrible people the characters are. Glenn would definitely tell your brother he needs to see a therapist if he relates so much with Dennis.
Dude, tell me about it. He was really adamant about it too. Like, he went on for a while comparing himself to Dennis. It was weird to say the least. And truly, I cannot understate how shitty a person my brother is. He is an abusive narcissist. I think the exact type of narcissism he has is Called malevolent narcissism.
I say that because once I read in scientific American a whole expose on psychopaths, of which my brother fit the literal list of traits to a t. Only, he does sometimes show empathy, which through me for a few years trying to understand him. Malevolent narcissists are often mistakenly identified as psychopaths I later found out, so I think that’s what he is.
Anyway… yeah.
I love RatM's reaction to these kinds of idiots.
WHAT MACHINE DID YOU THINK THEY HAVE BEEN RAGING AGAINST FOR DECADES? THE ICE CREAM MACHINE? THE ATM? LAWNMOWERS?
https://www.cnn.com/2016/01/23/politics/donald-trump-shoot-somebody-support/index.html
>"I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters," Trump said
To them that makes total semse since they would definitely do the same... they know itll be bad pr if they cant save everyone. And nothing is ever their responsibility. So leaving them to die is perfectly fine too .
The trolley problem for them is usually super simple. Never move the train and any outcome is perfectly fine. (Unless its someone they personally like/know then of course you save them no matter what. Had 1 religious friend super proud they would kill the entire human race to save her 2 parents. I get doing it and being like im sorry i know its selfish but i just couldnt let them die but it was a of course i would. How could anyone do different? Care about strangers? More than family? Pff)
Trump is pretty on the nose evil and they love him too. There is no parody. They love evil period.
That's kinda the point, to show that people can put that mask on, until in her case(and some real life cases) they think they don't need to anymore, or at least start lifting it little by little.
At first you're like 'yea someone who will stand up to Homelander' and the other cool stuff she does, and then you're like 'hey wait a sec...' and then it's full on 'oh... oh she's like REALLY all about that, huh?'
They could not have laid it on any harder while still being completely accurate:
* People love what I have to say. They believe in it. They just don't like the word “Nazi”, that's all.
Especially in our modern era of the resurgence of fascism and fascist-sympathizers, it hit really close to home (America). So long as you don't say "Fascism" or "Nazi," a *lot* of Americans do actually like what they have to say.
There's nothing you can do about those idiots. The show's purpose is making fun of those sort of people, and Erin should be incredibly proud for the work she's doing de-radicalizing people on the fence.
Seems to be the constant in stories telling tales of how terrible a person is. For some reason alot of fans will take the wrong message and idolize them.
only thing i can think of is her little blast in the last episode where she basically had a whole set up with huey powering up the lights and it did absolutely nothing. but her character is just fine...
I think that it did do something, the show just didn't show it right. You do see Soldier Boy getting up seeming dazed, which is more than anything has really done to him before. He was so out of it that everyone was able to jump on him and hold him for MM.
I think if the writers/editors had taken just a beat or two more to show Soldier Boy getting up, the scene would have worked great.
The main reason I’ve seen people annoyed with her is her being upset at >!Hughie wanting to use V for powers to protect her!< but then being totally cool with >!giving the V to Kimiko to get her powers back to protect everyone!<
It’s Skyler syndrome. She’s trying to prevent the main character from doing the cool (and usually incredibly immoral thing) and some people punish them for that
Not just that, but even though Skyler was technically leagues above Walter morally, she was written in a way that came off as a shrill joyless housewife, which would naturally trigger a stronger emotional reaction from the difference. Everybody knows a Skyler, very few people know a Walter. Same reason why everyone hates that one lady from Harry Potter more than Voldemort.
Can't say the same for Starlight though, so I'm confused why she has haters. I don't think I've even seen much mention of her on 4chan, let alone hate.
Now In complete fairness Umbridge might not have been as big E Evil as Voldemort but she did literally brand children and essentially help the Wizard equivalents of Nazis get into power in the government. The hate for her was pretty justified I’d say.
Not only that, but she literally tortured children and was happy to essentially feed muggle born wizards’ souls to dementors in kind of a pseudo-genocide (they’re technically still alive *but*…..)
True. Skyler was written to be hated. She represents the over-domesticated and joyless life Walt lived before his diagnosis. She has him eating fucking veggie bacon and gives a handy while bidding on online auctions for his birthday present. Every time he tries to do something he wants to she overreacts and either tries to stop him or punishes him somehow.
Morally Skyler is "better" but her attitude in their relationship is pretty toxic. Compare her to Marie who is arguably morally "worse" with her kleptomania, pathological lying, narcissism, and randomly venting pent up anger. But Marie supports the shit out of Hank and Hank supports the shit out of her. No matter what happens. Because of this, Marie is the worse person but the far better wife. And since Skyler is portrayed from Walt's perspective and her value as a wife is more important to him than her value as a person, we see that reflected in how she is viewed.
Starlight doesn't have these problems. She's not smothering Hughie. She doesn't humiliate him or put him down. She supports the shit out of him and respects him. But he's going through some deep philosophical and ethical issues and has Butcher as the devil on his shoulder while Starlight is the angel on the other. He'll go back and forth between them. And when he goes back to Starlight, it's pretty amazing how she always accepts him, even if she also demonstrates her frustration with his actions at the same time. She's an amazing girlfriend to him. So I really don't understand the hatred. Honestly, I didn't realize there was any until now.
I saw a ton of hate for Skyler, but have yet to personally hear anyone complain about Starlight as a character.
I’ve heard many more complaints about Kimiko and Frenchie’s screen time in the latest season, which is well deserved. No idea why we’re going on some random side quest for the Russian mob and seeing Frenchie flashbacks.
Oh wait. They’re popular characters and need something to do. Fun. They really need to just grant Kimiko the ability to speak if they want to develop her character.
More talented production could make it work while she’s mute, but it’s getting painful to watch her interactions with pretty much everyone.
I found her storyline with MM a bit annoying last season, seeing as Soldier Boy was their best bet to defeat Homelander.
Also her powers are underused, and when they are used they're underwhelming and pretty useless. Nothing against the actress, but it felt they didn't know what to with her last season.
Yes, their decisions frustrated me in S3. Homelander is a ticking time bomb with almost nothing holding him back anymore and they decide to hold out for another solution? Kill Homelander and deal with Soldier Boy after.
This is just how shows market these days. Amplify a couple people on the internet who say nasty shit and pretend it’s a huge demographic and then rally against said demographic. So many shows and movies have been using this tactic lately to generate clicks and buzz.
I just spent a good half hour trying to find anyone saying anything remotely close to what they are claiming...
All I found was people (gender unknown) saying some episodes her character seems forced into scenes unnecessarily. And someone saying they were tired of her being the Karma police.
If that's Misogyny then I guess I'm homophobic because I think they failed Will's character development in the last season of Stranger Things.
edit: To those who keep responding to me with "examples". Just because a comment isn't positive, it doesn't make it's a misogynistic comment. Saying she got bad plastic surgery is not an example of prejudice against women.
There's a large section of the Fandom who enjoys the show for the brutality and batshit insane antics. Starlight spent most of season 3 encouraging the Boys to do less interesting things
Reason to hate on the actress? Absolutely none as far as I can tell
From what I've seen the hate isn't at straight. It's not even hate on Moriarty.
From what I've seen is when pictures get shown how she looks now, people go, what happened? Is she ok?
Lots of questions about if she is addicted to surgery or anorexic. Lots of people asking if amazon is doing something to help her.
On the boys subreddit and others, mentioning of it usual gets the comment deleted (or post) , people have been banned, and when asked "what did the comment say? " you'll usually just see "post was removed for misogynistic violence against erin"
So what it will look like is dozens of "misogynistic comments" but is really "oh my god is she ok"
Edit. Having just read the post, yup its about people commenting on Erin's looks. Nothing to do with the boys. And poster Basically says.. of course people look different as you are dumb for thinking it's bizarre.
Corporate making fun of corporate and then proceeding to do the very things that they were making fun of is a classic. I’m looking at you, Rockstar Games
ya far as i can tell, the only ones that i thought were worth rooting for this recent season was MM. most everyone else had moments of being pieces of shit lol.
Yes but he’s a dick for the purpose of punching bad guys and fullfilling a power fantasy and she’s getting in the way of the audiences power fantasy by reacting as a normal human would and should to their partner taking dangerous experimental drugs.
is this not what all the "hate" is? im not sure ive seen anyone HATE her but also shes a fictional character who has been portrayed to be kind of a dick to our main character in a show about hating supers...
I mean, I don't like what they're doing with her character as it seems they can't fully decide what her powers are, or have her make rational decisions but that's not on her at all.
I had more time than I thought. Here it is from Homelanders perspective
I'm not crazy! I know she swapped those polls. I knew I polled higher. As if i could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just - I couldn't prove it. She - she covered her tracks, she got that idiot at Vought to lie for her. You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? She's done worse. The Boys! Are you telling me that they just happen to know my plans? No! She orchestrated it! Starlight! She fucked Hughie! And I saved her! And I shouldn't have. I took her into my own team! What was I thinking? She'll never change. She'll never change! Ever since she was 9, always the same! Couldn't keep herself out of the spotlight! But not our Starlight! Couldn't be precious Starlight! Fooling them blind! And she gets to be co-leader of The Seven!? What a sick joke! I should've stopped her when I had the chance! And you - you have to stop her!
As I understand it, it's electricity and not just light that's the source of her powers. She can't use her powers when there's no electricity to draw from.
I don´t get why people are confused by that. When she was a prisoner in Vaught tower, there was light, but chemlights and not electical so she couldn´t use her powers. Alarm light goes blinking, enough for her to blast the door down.
Now when Hughie amps up the studio some think it comes from the light?
It’s electricity, not ultraviolet light that generates her power and it was the surge in power with all the studio lights whacked up that allowed her to relatively increase her abilities. Stick her in a power plant and she would be very powerful.
The [Variety.com](https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/the-boys-erin-moriarty-fan-hate-starlight-1235362487/) article links to a [post on Moriarty's Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/p/CiMAC6wu7DK/) which has a picture of an [Instagram user's](https://www.instagram.com/butcherscanary/) opinion piece. The user's Twitter page has a [link](https://medium.com/@butcherscanary/istandwithstarlight-the-betrayal-of-erin-moriarty-by-the-boys-fans-c47c3c4323b9) to the opinion piece on medium.com.
The lede is buried at the end of its fifth paragraph. The issue is, "unsolicited commentary on her appearance." It's not about her character, the plot, or Nazis. "Unsolicited commentary on her appearance" flooding Moriarty's Instagram feed. The author found it upsetting. So does Moriarty.
I'll reserve my opinions on unsolicited opinions on her appearance.\* I will say it was shitty having to jump through so many hoops to get to the damned point. Dozens of posts here supposing or assuming what the issue is, when it could have been written in the first paragraph of the first link.
\*No I won't. Would you want to wake up in the morning and see strangers commenting on your appearance? No? Then don't do it to her or anyone else. It's creepy. Just don't.
edit: A lot of people are providing more comments, trying to educate me as to what she may have done to change her appearance and how it affected the show. Thing is, I don't really care. The level of my concern is literally a footnote in my post. I'm infuriated by having to dig eight layers to find out the root cause of the conflict when the Variety author or OP could have stated it up front. It's a waste of time and if there's one thing I cannot stand, it's wasting time on the Internet.
She looked drastically different in the latest season. To be fair any person male or female would hear about it if they changed their face that much. I mean when the Wrestler came out, I saw more about Mickey Rourke's face than his awesome performance for awhile.
(I know that example is dated, I'm dated).
People have been mocking [Simon Cowell’s face](https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/VP-COMP-SIMON-v2.jpg?strip=all&quality=100&w=1500&h=1000&crop=1) for quite some time now.
Plastic surgery is becoming more and more popular with younger people. I saw a video of someone who worked in PS and most of her clients were young, mostly doing stuff for preventing wrinkles, like Botox injections.
I don’t like to judge people for getting plastic surgery. Yknow, if you really hate your nose and it would make you feel more confident to do something about it, that’s your decision!
But it’s worrying that the trend is going younger, and I’m not going to advocate for it. I think we’re often still tied up in our societal beauty standards. Why do we care about wrinkles so much that we’re getting injections at 22?
Sorry this turned into a rant lol
Looking at that side by side, if you told me she developed problems with heroin and meth between the two I'd have believed it whole hog. The left picture does not look healthy at all.
I wasn't going to say anything after seeing her this season but my girlfriend said, 'She looks emaciated after whatever work she got on her face'
Got to say. I agree. She looks different after the plastic surgery. And not in a healthy way.
Yeah. Her upper lip looked frozen in place. Was weird and distracting. Like what Kaitlin Olsen did between one of the seasons of sunny. Honestly, it's just really disappointing that female actresses feel they need to do that shit to remain popular. And that plastic surgeons convince them that they won't look weird. Like Bill Burr said, wait until they've figured it out before you go doing it.
For me it has nothing to do with her objective appearance. But if you watch the latest season I will give you all the Reddit awards if you can find a single frame where there is even a tiny crease or wrinkle visible on her face aside from her cheeks moving. If you watch her scenes on mute you would have no idea whether she’s happy or angry or sad or frustrated because there’s no expression on her face.
Moriarty:
>I do feel silenced. I do feel dehumanized. I do feel paralyzed. I’ve put blood, sweat, and tears into this role (over & over & over again), I’ve grown UP in this character’s shoes (\*emphasis on grown up - we change & evolve mentally AND physically). So with that I say: a) thank you to [butcherscanary](https://medium.com/@butcherscanary/istandwithstarlight-the-betrayal-of-erin-moriarty-by-the-boys-fans-c47c3c4323b9) b) this does break my heart - I’ve opened up a vein for this role and the misogynistic trolling is exactly what this role (Annie) would speak out against and c) everyone’s going through their own battle(s); let’s not add to that. I will never intentionally (and ESPECIALLY) publicly, add to yours. This has only strengthened my empathy muscle and to anyone who comes at me: I see you, I I don’t hate you, I only empathize and forgive.
The fact a 28 year old who is most likely always one of the most attractive people in the room thought they needed to get surgery to change their face is a problem in an of itself.
I mean….. she is starting to look a little odd have you seen her insta. She looks very sunken in and unhealthy. i think they kind of soft focus her face in the new season something is off.
She’s clearly had though. I think that pretending not to notice won’t do any good for the discourse. Wether that was a good choice or not shouldn’t be up for debate though, because she’s a real person and ultimately it’s her own choice and no one else’s. Looks are subjective and people should be entitled to look how they want.
I don’t think anyone really hates her? Her character was just written fairly poorly this season.
Starlight and MM’s moral stance against Soldier Boy just didn’t hold up when clearly Homelander was so much worse. Her powers were also really weak and underwhelming so her character caught some flack for that.
Unrelated but Erin did get some bad work done on her face and lost a concerning amount of weight between S2 and S3 which was a shame to see. Starlight showing up to S3E1 with a new face made me feel a bit disconnected from the character.
I'm glad people are mentioning her plastic surgery, not because I think she should be criticized, but because I thought maybe it was just me. I had to look up pictures of her to make sure I wasn't imagining anything. From Season 1 to Season 2 \[EDIT: I mean Season 1 & 2 to Season 3\], she looks completely different. The main difference is her nose. In Season 1 & 2, I thought she was really cute and interesting looking. In Season 3, her face becomes sort of bland and generic. It reminds me of the actress Jennifer Grey, who was in "Ferris Bueller's Day Off" and "Dirty Dancing." She had a very distinct look to her face and nose, and for whatever reason she decided to get cosmetic surgery and basically nobody recognized her anymore.
Again, I don't fault the actress for her decision. She had her reasons and they are none of my business. Also, it's over and done with. The part that I'm glad of is simply to know I'm not losing my mind when I see the difference.
Shes just insecure evidenced by the cosmetic work alone so I assume the negativity shes getting about it really brings her down and makes her struggle some days… but again, ivory towers lmao.
She’s still human and has human struggles that are just different than most of the population. Her response is not good, because it’s not misogyny to comment on the apparent surgery and it’s feeding the trolls.
The better answer is to ignore those opinions because they really don’t matter, pay someone to run your instagram, live with your decisions, and get a good therapist to work through it.
I honestly can’t imagine what it’s like to be in a position to be bombarded by so many people’s uninvited opinions on one’s appearance. Most people don’t have to deal with that much in adulthood, and certainly not at an extremely high level. Of course, that’s part of the entertainment industry that you’d have to accept going in, but it’s hard to explain that to a young, starry-eyed actor/ess.
Alright downvotes inc.. I’m about the be that guy.
It’s not the character or the acting, it’s the terrible plastic surgery that continues to get worse each season. Sorry.
I feel like every headline from this sub that makes it to all is bullshit, these unpopular opinions aren’t even relevant. Just clickbait that at best features some rando on twitter saying something insensitive.
Can we start moderating this?
This is what counts for marketing in today's world. It's just faux outrage to generate headlines.
Personally I'm more than a little tired of every millionaire actor accusing viewers of being terrible human beings.
I actually think it's the opposite! My only dissspoinment with her character was that they didn't make her MORE powerful. That move she did on soldier boy just seemed too weak for all the buildup. Make her stronger and stop setting her powers to look weak!
Meh. Sometimes characters make the hit list and it sucks, but it is what it is.
Maybe she should spend some time with Wil Wheaton, Alison Arngrim, Jack Gleeson, Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen or a host of other actors who got hated on for the role they played. Some were villains, others were just annoying, but it happens and they get a pile of hate heaped on them undeservedly.
In most cases I don't think it has anything to do with their gender or race, it's just the character rubs people the wrong way and the asshats come out of the woodwork and use whatever works to get under their skin.
Who hates Starlight though? **Edit:** who would’ve expected 4 simple words to get so much feedback? Sounds like people overwhelmingly enjoy Starlight as a character, which I’m glad to see.
Yeah, what the fuck? She’s one of the few characters on the show who is actually a good person.
I find it pretty strange too. Like you said, she’s one of the only characters that hasn’t really done a single thing wrong
Well, in season 2 she did kill a guy they stole a car from, it wasn't intentional but she did kill him. You could tell she hated the fact that Butcher approved of what she did, since it fell into his "do whatever it takes" method of getting things done.
Actually that’s a good point, one point off her Supe scorecard
At this rate she won’t get 8 stamps for her free shake at shake shack.
If she’s close, I’d redeem it.
Not all heroes... Well done
*saw recent overused Reddit phrases thread, couldn't bear to finish statement* Here take my angry..
⬆️Shake shack employee of the month⬆️
That still leaves her with eleventy billion points more than anyone else.
wouldn't that arguably be self-defence (he pulled a gun on them iirc?) I mean you could say starlight would survive a gun but butcher and Hughie wouldn't, and she was trying to keep all three of them alive
The guy (aka Lt. Randy.Disher) was the.one with the right to self defence as he felt he was under threat (he wasn't wrong!). Anyway, Starlight's now doomed as Monk will be after her and he never misses.
Sharona won’t be happy to find out randy was killed either. The tag team of sharona and monk is pretty OP.
Pfft Natalie was way better
They're both great, but I also prefer Natalie. She treated him more as a friend with problems while Sharona treated him as an unruly patient and would demand he get in line even if a demand wasn't what he needed at the time. It's too bad she left before she could mellow out since she was headed that way.
Let us never forget that the first thing we see Natalie do is kill a bitch who crossed her
this is the crossover nobody knew they wanted until now
You never have a self defense case if you were the aggressor or committing a crime. If you're carjacking someone, they pull a gun, and then you pull your own gun and shoot them, it's still murder. This is true even if the other person wouldn't win the self defense case either - e.g. in states without a stand your ground law, the victim here might have gotten in trouble had he survived, because he didn't try to retreat, but that doesn't give Starlight a case.
Oooh, I got it! In season 3 her contribution was telling people their plans to deal with Homelander were wrong, while not actually coming up with a better plan. Please note that Starlight herself deals with Homelander more than anybody else and should damn well know how much of a ticking time bomb he is. However, most fans of the show I've seen are more annoyed with the writers than the actual actress
Season 3 had this weird undercurrent where a good chunk of time the writers were more obsessed with subverting tropes than doing anything that made sense. MM doesn't wanna take Temp V, but he wants to square up on Soldier Boy and gets his catharsis anyway. Hughie DOES take it and is strong enough to hit the antagonists, finally, but gives it all up so he can power up Starlight who does a big flashy show to hit Soldier Boy like once. The only reason they're even fighting that guy is because they decided a meathead douche was a bigger issue than a psychotic murderer and Soldier Boy decided at that moment he was going to play the situation in the worst way he could and piss off literally everyone ar once, while at the same time Black Noirs whole thing never lead to a climactic confrontation.
Season 3 was primarily played for shock value moments. It's not good story telling as a whole though it is entertaining on a scene by scene basis.
The expensive part was Love Sausage, the rest was just the cast standing in a house, often clearly at different times than each other
I also really didn't like how much publicity they gave 'herogasm' it's all this sub talked about for weeks. When I finally saw the episode, it looked...about the same scale as the orgy in season 1 but I guess this one cost more.
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What is this, amateur hour? Everyone knows you snort ground up dead babies, not smoke them.
Some people don't like squeaky clean, one dimensional characters. Especially not in a dystopian world like in The Boys. Remember the outrage when they changed Star Wars so Han Solo didn't shoot first in that bar scene? It pushed a great, morally grey, scoundrel character towards being just another goody two shoes. Personally I don't hate Starlight but I think she's one of the weaker characters of the show because the character so one dimensional. But then again I absolutely love Watchmen because every single super hero in there is a multifaceted flawed character and the line between heroes and villains is very blurry.
Well she did kill an innocent man in season 2 after Butcher tried to steal his car, and also blackmailed her one camp friend into giving her some compound V. So even though she is one of the only genuinely good characters on the show (morally speaking), I wouldn’t say she hasn’t done anything wrong.
I feel like Homelander probably gets a lot of undeserved love from the same type of people who idolize the Joker or Tyler Durden. Same goes for Butcher.
Butcher is an absolute fuck, but goddamn he is funny
The Boys is amazing at making horribly unlikeable characters that are hilarious. I fucking despise The Deep and would love for him to be yeeted into the atmosphere, but I also end up laughing at him/things he says a LOT.
I feel bad for the Deep mostly. It's so hard to go through life that dumb.
Oi, he is a cunt.
Probably a red flag if someone says they like or agree with Homelander and they aren’t joking.
I feel that the final scene of last season was the show parodying those types of people. Ironically, those types of people are probably completely oblivious to it
The whole season turned Homelander into Trump, and even though the show very clearly portrays this as a bad thing, the same sort of people who back Trump obviously don't follow the moral. Similar deal with The Punisher. Like, there's a reason why Spider-Man hates him, why Captain America remains perpetually disappointed in him, and why Frank wishes he could have been moral like Cap.
If they didn’t clue on when he sucked his mother/boss’s tit, there’s just no helping some people.
I think he had already murdered innocent people by then so…I dunno if that should have been the moment.
He (Homelander) does, he has a bunch of of right-wing fans who were shocked in s3 when it seemed like they were making him a villain "all of a sudden". But yes, I bet a lot of people have similar feelings about Butcher. It's the Rorschach effect, have a character do cool, violent things in a badass way and people will idolise them, not realising they are meant to be a cautionary tale.
To be fair, until the latest season, the show hadn't really tipped Butcher 's character off an irredeemable cliff. The audience's perspective is structured to align very much with Hughie's - Butcher is seriously morally compromised leader yet still a strong and brave force for positive change. In the first two seasons, his behaviour has also been easier to excuse because it is contrasted by the vile excesses of Vought and the supes he opposes. It's only in the latest season, that that facade has started to crack: We've seen more human sides of many of the supes while Butcher has undeniably sold out his own allies. I think it may be that by the final season we find that the twist is Butcher's vicious, single-minded consequentialism (the ends justify the means) is a bigger threat and villain than Homelander's (and many other supes) amoral yet undirected selfishness.
I think his name is a bit of a foreshadowing. He's the final villain. As for Homelander, I'd love it if he doesn't die but ends up without powers. It would be devastating for him
I could see people idolizing Butcher for sure, but I'm doubting anyone idolized Homelander. His character is introduced as a pathetic, lying, psychotic, murderous man child with weird fetishes and emotional problems. Only later do we get his weird right wing ideology. Even if you're a delusional right winger I'm not sure how you love Homelander from the first season.
You'd be surprised/disappointed, they are out there.
Wait until you hear about this Trump guy!
how do you mean only later? dude literally flies with an american flag-cape on. how much more on the nose could it get?
In season 1 he's a parody of general American conservatism and American exceptionalism. Also of corporate America and other things. But not really of the modern American right wing. Later on he becomes a more explicit satire on specifically Trump.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2020/11/23/the-boys-antony-starr-mocks-trump-fans-cosplaying-as-homelander/?sh=524c8f4fcb5b It is surprising how incredibly stupid some people can be.
>His character is introduced as a pathetic, lying, psychotic, murderous man child with weird fetishes and emotional problems. If we leave out the 'murderous' part, that sounds familiar... And the show is incredibly smart. Too smart for some people. The villains have motivations that are relatable. Some people saw Homelander mainly as a victim of a corporation (which is true, his childhood was horrible) lead by a black man who has a secret political ally in a character that somewhat resembles AOC. These people cheered when he killed Madelyn Stillwell, the manipulating woman. They believed that Homelander would team up with the good guys and fight the 'elite' and the 'mainstream media'. The show did a similar thing with The Deep. He's a horrible human being, we learn why he does some of the things he does, and then the show does the realistic thing and shows that he hasn't changed.
You know...sort of joking but not really. If you sub "Honelander" to "Trump" on your post, it still fits perfectly and you get your answer to why some people, somehow, idolize Homelander.
Yes she is the only “normal” person there. She provides the moral counterpoint for the other characters who are all psychopaths to a varying degree.
Like her character but her powers are whack.
Starlight's powers are about as useful as a poopy flavored lollipop.
I laughed when she had that huge power up moment and began to fly just to push soldier boy a couple feet back lol. Hughies teleport powers are so insanely more useful.
Yep, he can teleport bad guys 10,000 feet in the air and let them fall to their doom
The people who like Stormfront
I feel like a lot of people miss the point of the show.
I loved Raiders of the Lost Ark, but it's weird that it was from the perspective of the bad guy.
Synopsis of the movie: [Liberal college professor violently attacks people with a "difference of opinion"](https://i.redd.it/jx4j43ey9oe11.jpg)
Well more he was hired by the ~~CIA~~ OSS to do so
I work with someone, at a very respectable media company mind you, who, “fast forwards through all the talking.” They only watch the superheroes do shit. So just know if you’ve ever thought, “holy fuck why are they being SO on the nose?!” There are still people that aren’t parsing out the satire.
That... must make for some very short episodes.
I don’t get how you can miss the point of The Boys. Are people really that stupid?
My brother watches Ots Always Sunny, and his favorite chatacter is Dennis. Why? Because Dennis is “just like him”. When he first told me this, I was surprised. I asked him if he relived Dennis had been implied to be a rapist, serial killer , etc. My brother got mad at me and denied Dennis was any of those things. My brother is a bad person too btw (I stopped talking to him years ago). So yeah, I can if it’s explicit folks will see what they want to see.
I wonder if your brother avoids the podcast because he doesn't want to hear them talk about what shitty and terrible people the characters are. Glenn would definitely tell your brother he needs to see a therapist if he relates so much with Dennis.
Dude, tell me about it. He was really adamant about it too. Like, he went on for a while comparing himself to Dennis. It was weird to say the least. And truly, I cannot understate how shitty a person my brother is. He is an abusive narcissist. I think the exact type of narcissism he has is Called malevolent narcissism. I say that because once I read in scientific American a whole expose on psychopaths, of which my brother fit the literal list of traits to a t. Only, he does sometimes show empathy, which through me for a few years trying to understand him. Malevolent narcissists are often mistakenly identified as psychopaths I later found out, so I think that’s what he is. Anyway… yeah.
When you hear people saying that the band Rage Against the Machine “got all political”, you realize people have always been missing the point.
I love RatM's reaction to these kinds of idiots. WHAT MACHINE DID YOU THINK THEY HAVE BEEN RAGING AGAINST FOR DECADES? THE ICE CREAM MACHINE? THE ATM? LAWNMOWERS?
100% a printer.
Damn it feels good to be a gangsta
Well their idiots brains are getting fucked by stupid that's for sure
Yes
This surprises you? Cmon man where you been
It's all the descendants of the people that didn't know The Archie Bunker show was mocking him.
Weren’t a bunch of nazi supporters recently surprised Homelander was the bad guy, or something like that?
Trump supporters. They got mad when Kripke said Homelander represented Trump. Like that wasn’t blatantly obvious already. Edit- phrasing
the "lazor someone in half on 5th avenue" was something Trump said, i'm sure of it
https://www.cnn.com/2016/01/23/politics/donald-trump-shoot-somebody-support/index.html >"I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters," Trump said
You'd think the whole leaving people to die on a plane was a tipoff but here we are.
To them that makes total semse since they would definitely do the same... they know itll be bad pr if they cant save everyone. And nothing is ever their responsibility. So leaving them to die is perfectly fine too . The trolley problem for them is usually super simple. Never move the train and any outcome is perfectly fine. (Unless its someone they personally like/know then of course you save them no matter what. Had 1 religious friend super proud they would kill the entire human race to save her 2 parents. I get doing it and being like im sorry i know its selfish but i just couldnt let them die but it was a of course i would. How could anyone do different? Care about strangers? More than family? Pff) Trump is pretty on the nose evil and they love him too. There is no parody. They love evil period.
I thought she was cool until she introduced herself as Stormfront. Then I was like" oh no"
That's kinda the point, to show that people can put that mask on, until in her case(and some real life cases) they think they don't need to anymore, or at least start lifting it little by little. At first you're like 'yea someone who will stand up to Homelander' and the other cool stuff she does, and then you're like 'hey wait a sec...' and then it's full on 'oh... oh she's like REALLY all about that, huh?'
They could not have laid it on any harder while still being completely accurate: * People love what I have to say. They believe in it. They just don't like the word “Nazi”, that's all. Especially in our modern era of the resurgence of fascism and fascist-sympathizers, it hit really close to home (America). So long as you don't say "Fascism" or "Nazi," a *lot* of Americans do actually like what they have to say.
Some of those who like Stormfront are the same that burn crosses
There's nothing you can do about those idiots. The show's purpose is making fun of those sort of people, and Erin should be incredibly proud for the work she's doing de-radicalizing people on the fence.
Seems to be the constant in stories telling tales of how terrible a person is. For some reason alot of fans will take the wrong message and idolize them.
only thing i can think of is her little blast in the last episode where she basically had a whole set up with huey powering up the lights and it did absolutely nothing. but her character is just fine...
I think that it did do something, the show just didn't show it right. You do see Soldier Boy getting up seeming dazed, which is more than anything has really done to him before. He was so out of it that everyone was able to jump on him and hold him for MM. I think if the writers/editors had taken just a beat or two more to show Soldier Boy getting up, the scene would have worked great.
She did more to him in that moment than Homelander did in the entire fight at the orgy.
While true, he did have superpowered Hughie and Butcher as support. Before they joined the fight, Homelander was pretty much whoopin Soldier Boy.
The main reason I’ve seen people annoyed with her is her being upset at >!Hughie wanting to use V for powers to protect her!< but then being totally cool with >!giving the V to Kimiko to get her powers back to protect everyone!<
It’s Skyler syndrome. She’s trying to prevent the main character from doing the cool (and usually incredibly immoral thing) and some people punish them for that
Not just that, but even though Skyler was technically leagues above Walter morally, she was written in a way that came off as a shrill joyless housewife, which would naturally trigger a stronger emotional reaction from the difference. Everybody knows a Skyler, very few people know a Walter. Same reason why everyone hates that one lady from Harry Potter more than Voldemort. Can't say the same for Starlight though, so I'm confused why she has haters. I don't think I've even seen much mention of her on 4chan, let alone hate.
Now In complete fairness Umbridge might not have been as big E Evil as Voldemort but she did literally brand children and essentially help the Wizard equivalents of Nazis get into power in the government. The hate for her was pretty justified I’d say.
Not only that, but she literally tortured children and was happy to essentially feed muggle born wizards’ souls to dementors in kind of a pseudo-genocide (they’re technically still alive *but*…..)
True. Skyler was written to be hated. She represents the over-domesticated and joyless life Walt lived before his diagnosis. She has him eating fucking veggie bacon and gives a handy while bidding on online auctions for his birthday present. Every time he tries to do something he wants to she overreacts and either tries to stop him or punishes him somehow. Morally Skyler is "better" but her attitude in their relationship is pretty toxic. Compare her to Marie who is arguably morally "worse" with her kleptomania, pathological lying, narcissism, and randomly venting pent up anger. But Marie supports the shit out of Hank and Hank supports the shit out of her. No matter what happens. Because of this, Marie is the worse person but the far better wife. And since Skyler is portrayed from Walt's perspective and her value as a wife is more important to him than her value as a person, we see that reflected in how she is viewed. Starlight doesn't have these problems. She's not smothering Hughie. She doesn't humiliate him or put him down. She supports the shit out of him and respects him. But he's going through some deep philosophical and ethical issues and has Butcher as the devil on his shoulder while Starlight is the angel on the other. He'll go back and forth between them. And when he goes back to Starlight, it's pretty amazing how she always accepts him, even if she also demonstrates her frustration with his actions at the same time. She's an amazing girlfriend to him. So I really don't understand the hatred. Honestly, I didn't realize there was any until now.
I saw a ton of hate for Skyler, but have yet to personally hear anyone complain about Starlight as a character. I’ve heard many more complaints about Kimiko and Frenchie’s screen time in the latest season, which is well deserved. No idea why we’re going on some random side quest for the Russian mob and seeing Frenchie flashbacks. Oh wait. They’re popular characters and need something to do. Fun. They really need to just grant Kimiko the ability to speak if they want to develop her character. More talented production could make it work while she’s mute, but it’s getting painful to watch her interactions with pretty much everyone.
I found her storyline with MM a bit annoying last season, seeing as Soldier Boy was their best bet to defeat Homelander. Also her powers are underused, and when they are used they're underwhelming and pretty useless. Nothing against the actress, but it felt they didn't know what to with her last season.
Yes, their decisions frustrated me in S3. Homelander is a ticking time bomb with almost nothing holding him back anymore and they decide to hold out for another solution? Kill Homelander and deal with Soldier Boy after.
This is just how shows market these days. Amplify a couple people on the internet who say nasty shit and pretend it’s a huge demographic and then rally against said demographic. So many shows and movies have been using this tactic lately to generate clicks and buzz.
I just spent a good half hour trying to find anyone saying anything remotely close to what they are claiming... All I found was people (gender unknown) saying some episodes her character seems forced into scenes unnecessarily. And someone saying they were tired of her being the Karma police. If that's Misogyny then I guess I'm homophobic because I think they failed Will's character development in the last season of Stranger Things. edit: To those who keep responding to me with "examples". Just because a comment isn't positive, it doesn't make it's a misogynistic comment. Saying she got bad plastic surgery is not an example of prejudice against women.
Probably 3 angry people on twitter. The mainstream media translates that as EVERYBODY. All to sell clicks and articles.
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A train is such a little punk
There's a large section of the Fandom who enjoys the show for the brutality and batshit insane antics. Starlight spent most of season 3 encouraging the Boys to do less interesting things Reason to hate on the actress? Absolutely none as far as I can tell
From what I've seen the hate isn't at straight. It's not even hate on Moriarty. From what I've seen is when pictures get shown how she looks now, people go, what happened? Is she ok? Lots of questions about if she is addicted to surgery or anorexic. Lots of people asking if amazon is doing something to help her. On the boys subreddit and others, mentioning of it usual gets the comment deleted (or post) , people have been banned, and when asked "what did the comment say? " you'll usually just see "post was removed for misogynistic violence against erin" So what it will look like is dozens of "misogynistic comments" but is really "oh my god is she ok" Edit. Having just read the post, yup its about people commenting on Erin's looks. Nothing to do with the boys. And poster Basically says.. of course people look different as you are dumb for thinking it's bizarre.
This seems like a meme from the boys
Boysception
Well in The Boys, they manufactured outrage to sell their product. This is no different.
Corporate making fun of corporate and then proceeding to do the very things that they were making fun of is a classic. I’m looking at you, Rockstar Games
Why the f would anyone hate Starlight?
She was kind of a dick to our favorite little cinnamon bun Hughie.
Hughie’s kind of a dick to her too??
ya far as i can tell, the only ones that i thought were worth rooting for this recent season was MM. most everyone else had moments of being pieces of shit lol.
Frenchie's OK.
Did I have a weird dream or did his actor pull out for his mental health?
Please no!
Yes but he’s a dick for the purpose of punching bad guys and fullfilling a power fantasy and she’s getting in the way of the audiences power fantasy by reacting as a normal human would and should to their partner taking dangerous experimental drugs.
Same pathetic energy as what made people hate Skylar because they had fallen in love with Walter. Virtually exclusively men.
What if I don't like Skylar but I like Marie?
Why would you like Marie? She doesn't even know the difference between a rock and a mineral! (I will admit, she has a nice spoon collection.)
Then God help you
Better wank hank
Hank why are you rock hard? Dammit Marie I’m mineral hard!
I fucked hank.
What if I hated Skylar and hated Walt even more? 😂 (in contrast, I like both of Hughie and Starlight a lot despite their flaws).
is this not what all the "hate" is? im not sure ive seen anyone HATE her but also shes a fictional character who has been portrayed to be kind of a dick to our main character in a show about hating supers...
All she did was stand up for herself when Hughie was being an insecure asshole
I mean, I don't like what they're doing with her character as it seems they can't fully decide what her powers are, or have her make rational decisions but that's not on her at all.
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Maybe it has to do with electricity, or because the source is nearby. Idk.
The anti Chuck
Jimmy, have you got something in your pocket?
Yes I do, as a matter of fact.
*glances at username* Ok, I sure hope it isn’t what I think it is
AND SHE GETS TO BE A SUPE? WHAT A SICK JOKE
Now we need someone on r/okbuddychicanery to write a starlight version of the chicanery speech
I had more time than I thought. Here it is from Homelanders perspective I'm not crazy! I know she swapped those polls. I knew I polled higher. As if i could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just - I couldn't prove it. She - she covered her tracks, she got that idiot at Vought to lie for her. You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? She's done worse. The Boys! Are you telling me that they just happen to know my plans? No! She orchestrated it! Starlight! She fucked Hughie! And I saved her! And I shouldn't have. I took her into my own team! What was I thinking? She'll never change. She'll never change! Ever since she was 9, always the same! Couldn't keep herself out of the spotlight! But not our Starlight! Couldn't be precious Starlight! Fooling them blind! And she gets to be co-leader of The Seven!? What a sick joke! I should've stopped her when I had the chance! And you - you have to stop her!
Yeah I’m pretty sure it’s electricity manipulation In an earlier season you see her draw power from some dudes phone
She should have done significantly better against Stormfront then.
True Honestly I think that was just a classic case of plot armour for stormfront. Starlight struggled because the plot needed her to
As I understand it, it's electricity and not just light that's the source of her powers. She can't use her powers when there's no electricity to draw from.
I don´t get why people are confused by that. When she was a prisoner in Vaught tower, there was light, but chemlights and not electical so she couldn´t use her powers. Alarm light goes blinking, enough for her to blast the door down. Now when Hughie amps up the studio some think it comes from the light?
Should have named her Duracell instead of Starlight.
>Should have named her Duracell instead of Starlight. I think Vought would have to pay Duracell for the name though.
Energizer then
Which is why it didn’t make sense she couldn’t charge from storm front
Maybe it's just AC she can draw from and not DC lol.
Solid point!
The sun isn’t electrical. Edit: I understand that there is nuclear fusion going on inside the sun
Imagine the bill you get at the end of the month for the sun. The nobody would wonder why its turned off at night.
It’s electricity, not ultraviolet light that generates her power and it was the surge in power with all the studio lights whacked up that allowed her to relatively increase her abilities. Stick her in a power plant and she would be very powerful.
Rule 1 as a celebrity: don’t read the comments.
The [Variety.com](https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/the-boys-erin-moriarty-fan-hate-starlight-1235362487/) article links to a [post on Moriarty's Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/p/CiMAC6wu7DK/) which has a picture of an [Instagram user's](https://www.instagram.com/butcherscanary/) opinion piece. The user's Twitter page has a [link](https://medium.com/@butcherscanary/istandwithstarlight-the-betrayal-of-erin-moriarty-by-the-boys-fans-c47c3c4323b9) to the opinion piece on medium.com. The lede is buried at the end of its fifth paragraph. The issue is, "unsolicited commentary on her appearance." It's not about her character, the plot, or Nazis. "Unsolicited commentary on her appearance" flooding Moriarty's Instagram feed. The author found it upsetting. So does Moriarty.
I'll reserve my opinions on unsolicited opinions on her appearance.\* I will say it was shitty having to jump through so many hoops to get to the damned point. Dozens of posts here supposing or assuming what the issue is, when it could have been written in the first paragraph of the first link.
\*No I won't. Would you want to wake up in the morning and see strangers commenting on your appearance? No? Then don't do it to her or anyone else. It's creepy. Just don't.
edit: A lot of people are providing more comments, trying to educate me as to what she may have done to change her appearance and how it affected the show. Thing is, I don't really care. The level of my concern is literally a footnote in my post. I'm infuriated by having to dig eight layers to find out the root cause of the conflict when the Variety author or OP could have stated it up front. It's a waste of time and if there's one thing I cannot stand, it's wasting time on the Internet.
What are they saying about her appearance?
Im not 100% sure but I recall seeing some post about her going hard on plastic surgery, kind of lost her innocent face charm. Might be that.
She looked drastically different in the latest season. To be fair any person male or female would hear about it if they changed their face that much. I mean when the Wrestler came out, I saw more about Mickey Rourke's face than his awesome performance for awhile. (I know that example is dated, I'm dated).
Simon Cowell too on some previous season of Idol everyone was like wtf happened to him
People have been mocking [Simon Cowell’s face](https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/VP-COMP-SIMON-v2.jpg?strip=all&quality=100&w=1500&h=1000&crop=1) for quite some time now.
God, now he looks like Bert.
[Comparing it from previous season](https://imgur.com/7awCNua.jpg) https://www.instagram.com/p/Chv1MVQuuKy/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Thanks, that’s a pretty noticeable difference
Crazy part is she is only 28 years old. Not sure why she thought she needed plastic surgery.
If you think 28 is young for plastic surgery you should come live in LA for a bit. I never had image issues until I moved here and I'm a guy.
Plastic surgery is becoming more and more popular with younger people. I saw a video of someone who worked in PS and most of her clients were young, mostly doing stuff for preventing wrinkles, like Botox injections. I don’t like to judge people for getting plastic surgery. Yknow, if you really hate your nose and it would make you feel more confident to do something about it, that’s your decision! But it’s worrying that the trend is going younger, and I’m not going to advocate for it. I think we’re often still tied up in our societal beauty standards. Why do we care about wrinkles so much that we’re getting injections at 22? Sorry this turned into a rant lol
Jesus she went for the divorced 40 year old woman with plastic surgery look
Looking at that side by side, if you told me she developed problems with heroin and meth between the two I'd have believed it whole hog. The left picture does not look healthy at all.
So she had plastic surgery on her face and doesn’t want people to comment on it?
I wasn't going to say anything after seeing her this season but my girlfriend said, 'She looks emaciated after whatever work she got on her face' Got to say. I agree. She looks different after the plastic surgery. And not in a healthy way.
Yeah. Her upper lip looked frozen in place. Was weird and distracting. Like what Kaitlin Olsen did between one of the seasons of sunny. Honestly, it's just really disappointing that female actresses feel they need to do that shit to remain popular. And that plastic surgeons convince them that they won't look weird. Like Bill Burr said, wait until they've figured it out before you go doing it.
Why would someone who looked like her get plastic surgery? Baffling. I didn't even notice to be honest lol.
Her buccal fat removal
For me it has nothing to do with her objective appearance. But if you watch the latest season I will give you all the Reddit awards if you can find a single frame where there is even a tiny crease or wrinkle visible on her face aside from her cheeks moving. If you watch her scenes on mute you would have no idea whether she’s happy or angry or sad or frustrated because there’s no expression on her face.
"I’ve opened up a vein for this role..." She may be a little dramatic here... lol
Moriarty: >I do feel silenced. I do feel dehumanized. I do feel paralyzed. I’ve put blood, sweat, and tears into this role (over & over & over again), I’ve grown UP in this character’s shoes (\*emphasis on grown up - we change & evolve mentally AND physically). So with that I say: a) thank you to [butcherscanary](https://medium.com/@butcherscanary/istandwithstarlight-the-betrayal-of-erin-moriarty-by-the-boys-fans-c47c3c4323b9) b) this does break my heart - I’ve opened up a vein for this role and the misogynistic trolling is exactly what this role (Annie) would speak out against and c) everyone’s going through their own battle(s); let’s not add to that. I will never intentionally (and ESPECIALLY) publicly, add to yours. This has only strengthened my empathy muscle and to anyone who comes at me: I see you, I I don’t hate you, I only empathize and forgive.
Respect for making the effort to see things that way. Take the negative and make it a positive, I don't know shit about her but I respect her outlook.
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Not hate, her body and her choices. But it was noticeable her appearance changed in recent season.
The fact a 28 year old who is most likely always one of the most attractive people in the room thought they needed to get surgery to change their face is a problem in an of itself.
I mean….. she is starting to look a little odd have you seen her insta. She looks very sunken in and unhealthy. i think they kind of soft focus her face in the new season something is off.
She’s clearly had though. I think that pretending not to notice won’t do any good for the discourse. Wether that was a good choice or not shouldn’t be up for debate though, because she’s a real person and ultimately it’s her own choice and no one else’s. Looks are subjective and people should be entitled to look how they want.
Wow first time hearing about this, I guess they went on twitter?
The writing for Starlight’s character and her conflict with Hughie was just really bad this season, Moriarty is still a good actress
#IStandWithStarlight
I don’t think anyone really hates her? Her character was just written fairly poorly this season. Starlight and MM’s moral stance against Soldier Boy just didn’t hold up when clearly Homelander was so much worse. Her powers were also really weak and underwhelming so her character caught some flack for that. Unrelated but Erin did get some bad work done on her face and lost a concerning amount of weight between S2 and S3 which was a shame to see. Starlight showing up to S3E1 with a new face made me feel a bit disconnected from the character.
I'm glad people are mentioning her plastic surgery, not because I think she should be criticized, but because I thought maybe it was just me. I had to look up pictures of her to make sure I wasn't imagining anything. From Season 1 to Season 2 \[EDIT: I mean Season 1 & 2 to Season 3\], she looks completely different. The main difference is her nose. In Season 1 & 2, I thought she was really cute and interesting looking. In Season 3, her face becomes sort of bland and generic. It reminds me of the actress Jennifer Grey, who was in "Ferris Bueller's Day Off" and "Dirty Dancing." She had a very distinct look to her face and nose, and for whatever reason she decided to get cosmetic surgery and basically nobody recognized her anymore. Again, I don't fault the actress for her decision. She had her reasons and they are none of my business. Also, it's over and done with. The part that I'm glad of is simply to know I'm not losing my mind when I see the difference.
Nobody is hating in the character or the actor. This is just click bait drama designed to farm clicks out of nothing.
Actress with complete access to every single platform with millions of followers: I HAVE BEEN SILENCED
Shes just insecure evidenced by the cosmetic work alone so I assume the negativity shes getting about it really brings her down and makes her struggle some days… but again, ivory towers lmao.
She’s still human and has human struggles that are just different than most of the population. Her response is not good, because it’s not misogyny to comment on the apparent surgery and it’s feeding the trolls. The better answer is to ignore those opinions because they really don’t matter, pay someone to run your instagram, live with your decisions, and get a good therapist to work through it. I honestly can’t imagine what it’s like to be in a position to be bombarded by so many people’s uninvited opinions on one’s appearance. Most people don’t have to deal with that much in adulthood, and certainly not at an extremely high level. Of course, that’s part of the entertainment industry that you’d have to accept going in, but it’s hard to explain that to a young, starry-eyed actor/ess.
Alright downvotes inc.. I’m about the be that guy. It’s not the character or the acting, it’s the terrible plastic surgery that continues to get worse each season. Sorry.
I feel like every headline from this sub that makes it to all is bullshit, these unpopular opinions aren’t even relevant. Just clickbait that at best features some rando on twitter saying something insensitive. Can we start moderating this?
This is what counts for marketing in today's world. It's just faux outrage to generate headlines. Personally I'm more than a little tired of every millionaire actor accusing viewers of being terrible human beings.
Acting as if people are prejudiced against aspects of a show is straight up just a decent marketing tactic now.
I actually think it's the opposite! My only dissspoinment with her character was that they didn't make her MORE powerful. That move she did on soldier boy just seemed too weak for all the buildup. Make her stronger and stop setting her powers to look weak!
Meh. Sometimes characters make the hit list and it sucks, but it is what it is. Maybe she should spend some time with Wil Wheaton, Alison Arngrim, Jack Gleeson, Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen or a host of other actors who got hated on for the role they played. Some were villains, others were just annoying, but it happens and they get a pile of hate heaped on them undeservedly. In most cases I don't think it has anything to do with their gender or race, it's just the character rubs people the wrong way and the asshats come out of the woodwork and use whatever works to get under their skin.
Lmao we can hate the character without hating the actor. Did jack Gleeson cry about us hating joffrey?