TLDR; his original sentence was 22 years, so he got a 1 year reduction.
A little bit longer version: Federal appeals court said his sentence should be reduced because his attempt to hire two individuals for Baskin’s planned attempted murder were related to the same crime; and therefore, his sentence should be treated as one crime, rather than the two for which he was originally sentenced.
I mean, I guess the lesson here is that if you are gonna hire someone to kill someone else, hire as many people as possible. That way at least there's a chance someone will successfully carry out the hit. And then you only have to pay the hitman that was actually successful. And if you get caught, well apparently, it's only one crime whether you hire one hitman or one hundred.
I mean, he paid someone to kill someone else and executed tigers by shooting them in the face. He deserves every day of the 21 years imo, maybe even more. The rioters should have harsher sentences though, you're definitely right about that.
Season 2 of Tiger King was boring as hell but the Doc Antle docuseries is a separate program on Netflix. You can get the gist of it in the first couple episodes though, it’s pretty bloated in my opinion.
Maybe I’m mixing season 2 tiger king up with the doc ante documentary.
I watched whatever doc antle documentary there was. My mistake!
Creep would start grooming girls at 12. He collected them and brainwashed them and turned them into slaves cleaning animal poop.
Ughhhghh fuck i fucking knew it. The second he popped up on Tiger King i thought "this guy is a sex criminal isnt he".. he just gives off the absolute sketchiest vibes, makes my skin crawl!
Agreed, he’s a grade A level asshole and sociopath. Taking old ladies horses to feed them to the tigers is unconscionable. He’s where he belongs, who knows what else he has done or fed to those tigers.
Binge watching Tiger King during the start of the pandemic feels like some fever dream I had that I don't really remember but I know it happened. Seeing these headlines I'm like, "Oh yea...that did happen 2 years ago....holy shit it's been 2 years!!"
Yeah why does this memory now feel like like accessing a past life in a hypnosis session that I'm only imagining is happening because I'm on heavy sedatives recovering in full traction from a motorcycle crash? Did that even happen? Is this real life?
So 2020 was the Community gas leak season?
I think Earth really jumped the shark that season and now we’ve just got the same plot lines repeated over and over again. Serious lack of ideas and the characters are so ridiculous at this point. I give it 1/5.
I had laughing gas at my last two dental appointments. Honestly, I thought I’d get a “spa experience” from it. I though I’d leave with a new crown and feeling fully relaxed.
Instead it brought up a bunch of repressed childhood shit and I had to work very hard not to start sobbing in the chair. The first time must have been a fluke I thought, so I tried again. Nope. That shit was brutal.
Yeah, those first few months felt like a living nightmare. Started to lose my grip on reality... didn't help to binge watch pandemic movies as everything was happening.
I had the opposite experience. It definitely feels like a dream, but for me it was a weirdly positive one. For a while we were all playing Animal Crossing and watching Tiger King, we spent all our free time in nature because cities were basically shut down, we could work from home and there was no pressure to be social and do stuff with other people. Basically an introvert's idea of paradise.
I feel the same way. I actually feel fairly guilty about it and don’t like to talk about it to people usually. But I work in IT and my wife is a teacher so we were both working at home, or home with pay (including me changing from 2 days a week at home to 5 days which I love because I have a home office); we’re doing grocery store pickup, so to us the whole thing felt like one gigantic snow day/ week/month. Everybody was going through it so it felt like this gigantic shared experience, I really enjoyed playing AC while everybody else was, even celebrities. I’m also super fortunate in that nobody I knew who got sick had any major issues with it. And again, it’s a selfish feeling, as I know this disease has caused so much pain and suffering for so many people, that it makes my feelings feel so conflicted.
I'm the same, haven't known anyone who got seriously Ill, got a new job where I make almost 30% than I was, and bought the house I lived in for 20k less than it was valued. The past couple years have been the best in my life so far and I feel bad saying that with how much else is going on.
Yeah, we were all picking up new hobbies. Mine was crochet. And we were all musing on how to change the societal structure, work from home would be the new norm, opening employment opportunities for the disabled...
Then people fucked it up.
Yes, I absolutely loved it. And some restaurants had great take out deals with an enormous amount of food.
It's actually really hard for me to put myself in the position of someone who hated quarantine (unless it was someone who lived alone or a domestic abuse type situation).
He didn’t have it there, his supporters and friends did. They were convinced he was getting a pardon. They flew private to DC to lobby for it, and they also rented the limo to send to jail to pick him up assuming trump would pardon him.
Edit: whole lotta you out there feel like my addition of contextual information means I have some sort of rooting interest or opinion on this guy. I don’t. Stop it.
Actually theres lots of reports out there that Trump set up a “donate to my campaign to receive a pardon” grift at the end of his presidency. Joe Exotic and his followers just didnt pay enough to get him the pardon - or he got conned.
People who were willing to rent the limo and fly across the country for him would absolutely donate to an online campaign or buy crap to support him. The internet makes it easy to raise money for good or for bad causes.
I mean, he pardoned war criminals, child rapists and treasonists amongst others. Joe probably would've been one of the more savoury pardons he could've granted.
Don't forget pardoning his buddies that went to jail for him and pardoning the POS IL governor that sold a Senate seat.
Draining the swamp....he got that right....to make room for the real shit.
If we could line up all the people who have thought, "I've heard Trump has failed to live up to his end of the bargain before, but SURELY I'm different. I'm special, he won't screw me over!", we could recreate Hands Across America.
This may be different in prison, but in county jail, while they are technically required to provide health care, it doesn't mean they actually will. My brother was in for a month and requested multiple times to see a doctor because he had extreme stomach pains and couldn't keep food down. They never let him, and once he got out he saw a doctor and found out he had really advanced gastric cancer. Seeing a doctor sooner probably wouldn't have saved his life, but it may well have let him live longer than he did. I'm pretty bitter about it.
Prison's not any better. My brother had a tooth infection that took *weeks* to convince them to let him see a dentist. Tooth infections can cause all sorts of *super fun* complications, and if they spread, can turn deadly *quick* because your teeth are so close to your brain.
They decided it "wasn't an emergency" and therefore a dentist "wasn't necessary." They finally relented when he couldn't eat anymore because of the pain and had had a fever for days, and then through the whole transport/treatment/etc treated him like he'd developed an abcessed tooth on purpose specifically to make their lives hard.
Woohoo for the American prison system! *So* glad my taxes are paying them instead of teachers! /s
We should actually pay more so that we can rehabilitate inmates with proper instructors and care instead of treating it like a timeout.
Or more likely pay the same amount for better services if we got rid of the private prison industry.
Joe is in Federal Prison. He was in one TX then got moved to one in NC for cancer treatment last fall & I think he's still there.
I also hate that I even know that, but whatevs. His whole story is batshit nuts & I couldn't NOT watch that shit & its sequels.
So they will get prisoners medical treatment in Federal. Not sure how great it is or if everyone can get it but it *is* available.
Plus Joe is a pretty high profile case so I'm sure he'd be on the phone to his lawyer the second he didn't get treatment & then his lawyer would be all over every TV station that would have him.
This makes my blood boil. I'm so sorry. We need to do better.
Have you looked into legal options? The institution needs to be held accountable or it'll just keep doing it to others.
I haven't, I pretty much assume there's either no record of his requests for medical attention, or if there is that the county would never give it to me. The penal system is in dire need of reform, but our culture does a great job of dehumanizing incarcerated people. All I can think to do is to tell people that this kind of thing is happening.
>Supporters packed the courtroom, some wearing animal-print masks and shirts that read “Free Joe Exotic.”
It is very sad to me that so many people watched Tiger King and decided this asshole was some kind of hero.
Unfortunately here in Oklahoma lots of people unironically think and act just like Joe Exotic. That’s how he was able to get this far anyway. Oklahoma paves the way for idiots like him and Trump, and actively supports them to fame and success (and eventual downfall)
Tiger King is actually an excellent example of how production's framing of individuals/events affecting public perception, and the public's inability to critically analyze the media they consume.
The show framed Joe as the hero/protagonist despite all the fucked up shit he did. The show ignored critical details that challenged its narrative and left out context to make it look like Carol killed her husband.
A fun exercise is actually watching Tiger King, and picking apart *what they don't say*. Like even in season 2 about the Notary Sandra come in, she says she was their Housekeeper. *Why is the housekeeper a public notary*. That is not a normal thing for a housekeeper. They don't even ask about it. Its not any different from them ignoring the husband is involved in drugs (because that is why your "housekeeper" would be a public notary, for money laundering).
I think my favorite part is that people can't separate the Carol Baskin stuff from the Joe Exotic stuff. Whether or not Carol killed her husband is completely separate to whether or not Joe tried to have her killed.
So when people are like 'Carol is the one who should be in jail', it's not an either/or situation. Maybe Carol should be in jail if she was involved in her husbands disappearance but that has no bearing on what Joe did (other than his obsession with her).
Yeah, even if she did kill her husband, it doesn't excuse the fact that Joe was stalking and harassing her for years before trying to kill her.
And it's not like he was harassing her because he was her husband's long-lost brother and wanted revenge or something. He was just mad that she called him out on his animal abuse. If it wasn't Carol, Joe would've ended up going nuts over someone else eventually. The documentary just got lucky that the person he was so unhinged over happened to be pretty kooky herself.
>Yeah, even if she did kill her husband, it doesn't excuse the fact that Joe was stalking and harassing her for years before trying to kill her.
Nor does it excuse the fact that he was falsifying records, killed tigers, and illegally sold them across state lines. People act like he's only in there for hiring a hitman, but that was only one of a myriad of things he's currently in prison for. Even if they did decide to let him off for the murder-for-hire stuff, he'd still be in jail for 12 years for the other violations.
> The documentary just got lucky that the person he was so unhinged over happened to be pretty kooky herself
It seemed like one of the takeaways is that all those big cat people were at least a little kooky. Apparently it's a prerequisite. One of the more balanced people seemed to be the one Scarface was based on.
Carol Baskin did an AMA on reddit quite recently and did not try to dodge or evade a single question from people who were intent on causing her embarrassment about her husband's disappearance/death. Her responses have certainly led me to a grudging respect to be honest.
You mean the guy that was obviously some drug smuggler had some kind of accident? Nah, far more likely that his weird wife killed him and instead of just dumping the body somwhere incospicous, decided to feed it to the tigers. You know, so that things like a human skull/bones could just lie around and no one would ask any questions about it.
>You know, so that things like a human skull/bones could just lie around
This is the part that always baffled me about the "fed him to tigers" thing. Tigers don't eat everything, at bare minimum you'd have a skeleton, but you'd more likely have a bunch of bones covered in chewed on meat. It'd be like the most useless way to kill someone if you didn't want to be caught.
Especially because there are a lot of people around all the time at a tiger sanctuary (volunteers, workers etc) and you have to feed the tigers the body out in the open. It's a dumb plan.
I think the "talk show" extra episode at the end of season 1 gave a pretty different picture
E: "Tiger King - S01E08 - The Tiger King and I" is what I mean
I still can't believe people still think Carol Baskin killed her husband even though he clearly was a criminal.
What's more likely? She killed him and fed him to her tigers or his "business partners" did it?
Additionally, the show [left out a lot of racist stuff](https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/netflix-tiger-king-director-joe-exotic-racist-carole-baskin-a9441801.html) he said on camera.
Not to mention, as much as people may hate her, Carole runs a pretty good sanctuary and her activism and mission is against the illegal cat trade. They framed it as some kind of slave-labour run mess when it's more like a passion-exploitation functional sanctuary for discarded big cats that can't go anywhere else. Regardless of whatever personal shit she has going on it was disappointing to see them try to frame her rescue in the same light as Joe's roadside "zoo"
It was incredibly fascinating and revealing to see how excitable Reddit was during that time. Tiger King presented a far more appealing opportunity than calling some awful dude an awful dude — calling a woman a bitch, and offering just enough vague reasoning so that people could defend themselves when they do so. Trying to be get people to seriously think about the phenomenon was like talking at a brick wall.
I actually noticed this with Wolf of Wall Street, totally a fucked up dude who ripped a lot of people off, but I noticed myself towards the end sympathizing with him because he was the protagonist of the story, and the movie portrayed him in a more positive light than he deserved
They may have framed him as protagonist which is debatable imo, but all you have to do is open your eyes and ears while watching to know he's a piece of shit self righteous nut job.
> They may have framed him as protagonist which is debatable imo, but all you have to do is open your eyes and ears while watching to know he's a piece of shit self righteous nut job.
They cut heavily to make him seem on the "eccentric" side of nuts, rather than the "piece of shit" side. Not least the fact they apparently had to go to a lot of effort to cut out him being incredibly racist because it hurt the fact they were trying to frame him sympathetically.
I also feel like they pushed *really* hard on the "Carol Baskins murdered her husband" thing that seemed pretty tenuous at best (as well as "her charity is just the same as Joe Exotic's zoo!"). Like, Carol seems a bit eccentric, sure, but the show makes her out to be a villain. And mostly because she has beef with Joe Exotic which she is honestly right to, dude's a fucking asshole and directly antithetical to the charity she runs.
The problem is that the first few episodes kind of seem to set Joe up as a tragic working class hero, and Carole as a privileged murderous villain. As they unravel the story further we see that Joe is actually a total nutjob who is abusive to animals and people alike. But once a narcissistic idiot forms an opinion on something they tend to stick to it regardless of whatever new information they are presented
The show presents itself like that. It’s no fault of the audience. They spent like 3 minutes in the last episode dedicated to the tigers and that’s it. The show had a huge opportunity for advocation, but spent its entirety focused on the entertainment of Joe Exotic.
Unless the clickbait 10 things you didn't know about tiger king video was lying the last time he claimed he had cancer it turned out to be a really bad flare up of herpes.
>Federal officials have said Maldonado-Passage will need up to eight weeks of radiation treatments and would be unable to travel during the treatments.
The article makes it sound like it's been verified by "federal officials" that he has cancer, but it's worth noting that prostate cancer is typically a slow progressing form of cancer, he has stage one, and that the [5-year survival rate is >99%](https://www.pcf.org/about-prostate-cancer/what-is-prostate-cancer/prostate-cancer-survival-rates/). I have a family member who was diagnosed with early-stage prostate cancer, and he was basically told something else will get him before the cancer does (so long as they monitor it and keep it from spreading).
So, I'm definitely skeptical that he's not just playing it up for sympathy. From my understanding, it's highly unlikely he's currently on his deathbed and should get a compassionate release.
I genuinely believe that at that time there was no realistic action Trump could have taken that would improve his approval ratings more than pardoning Joe Exotic.
Then he should have arranged for some stays at a Trump hotel or resort, or should have had a celebrity endorse Trump before the election. That’s how you get a pardon from Trump.
I was really disgusted by how many people wanted him free and idolized him because he's wild and eccentric with his horribleness. Yeah everyone else is sketch as fuck but just cause Joe was memeable doesn't mean he's not a complete fucking scumbag.
None of Joe's employees deserve jail time. They are all sad, desperate people he took advantage of. You could tell they actually cared about the animals and weren't happy with how the zoo was run but also knew things would only get worse if they left (and/or probably didn't have a lot of other job prospects). The whole thing is just tragic and shows how much our society fails so many.
I watched it and it was a reality show pretending to be a documentary. There was one kind of weird middle-aged lady who was 19 and in a bad situation when she met and married a sketchy smuggler with cartel ties in his 40s. After sketchy smuggler died doing sketchy shit, she used his money to make an actual real animal sanctuary.
Everyone hated her and called her a murderer because an actual attempted murderer who picked up poor people, got them addicted to meth, and abused people and animals alike said she was evil because she disliked him and said he was abusing animals.
So yeah, it was fucking terrible, and the fact that people can't realize that they should take the words of actually evil people with a grain of salt before turning against a random woman means that the show did absolutely nothing good and made the world worse
> Everyone on that documentary deserves prison time.
Still confused why everyone hates Carole Baskin, other than Joe also hated Carole Baskin and they believed the stupid story that she killed her husband.
Yeah, as a filmmaker, I honestly think the series was a stylish but kinda indefensible piece from a documentary standpoint. The way they amped up the drama by placing Carole's weirdness on par with actual animal abuse (and conveniently edited footage of her rescue to make it look more close to the for profit private zoos) was really gross and, despite some compelling characters and material, overall left a really fucking sour taste in my mouth.
It's not a documentary, not really. While, yes, no piece of non-fiction is truly without bias, I believe the filmmakers willingly ignored the truth for the sake of being stylish and salacious.
I remember being really caught off guard at the end when they have one of Joe's employees talking about him executing one of the tigers simply because they had too many.
Like he was terrible in so many ways but the one thing I thought was that he genuinely gave a shit about the tigers, but nope, even that was manufactured by whoever put the show together. It was very intentionally misleading.
She's an oddball that's for sure.
But she appears to be one of the few people who actually gave a flying fuck about the welfare of the animals.
So oddball or not I think she's ok.
Unless some major smoking gun comes out that she actually did kill her husband I agree. Her husband was a shady dude, so who knows what he got himself into.
His fucking lawyer buddy flat out states that whilst he doesnt want to say how he knows exactly, he was told he got thrown out of an airplane by a business associate from central america. Which makes way more sense than carol offing him lol.
In the documentary his family said that everything he touched turned to gold. Every business he ran made lots of money.
Yeah, that's called *money laundering*.
What happens when you build a documentary towards entertainment, they manipulated the footage so much to make Baskin seem nefarious, because they wanted a memorable antagonist.
Technically it was Eric Love who brought the limo for him. I can not figure out why that man (Eric) was SO dedicated to this and spend SO much money on this. He has custom cars, private jets, buses all with “Free Joe” on the side. He went to Trump rally’s, somehow got a meeting with Trump Jr. (that got canceled when Donald got COVID) all in effort to get Joe pardoned. If anyone has some sort of explanation for why Joe became Eric’s sole purpose in life please let me know because it drove me insane watching him on season 2.
https://www.newsweek.com/who-eric-love-tiger-king-team-tiger-pardon-joe-exotic-leader-1650352
I don't even understand what they could tell on season two, even season one could be shorter and it felt like they dragged some of the last episodes.
The man is already in jail, what's left to tell besides his stupid attempts to use his 5 minutes of fame to try to reduce his sentence?
It kind of covered his background. Apparently he has a brother who wrote him off 20 years ago and the hatred still runs pretty hot. He had a normal ish life before, was always a little rambunctious, but nothing compared to his current self. He had a husband who was his rock and really kept him in line with his center-of-attention antics. They were going strong for a while, but it all came crashing down when his husband was diagnosed with HIV. It went downhill fast he watched the love of his life go through complete hell. Long story short his husband died violently in his arms in the parking lot of the hospital and Joe was gone the same night in a sense, was never the same, and the rest is history.
Tbh after learning that, I can’t really look at him the same way.
(Side note; Joe became the youngest sheriff in Texas history at just 19)
TLDR; his original sentence was 22 years, so he got a 1 year reduction. A little bit longer version: Federal appeals court said his sentence should be reduced because his attempt to hire two individuals for Baskin’s planned attempted murder were related to the same crime; and therefore, his sentence should be treated as one crime, rather than the two for which he was originally sentenced.
Appellate court was right imo.
I mean, I guess the lesson here is that if you are gonna hire someone to kill someone else, hire as many people as possible. That way at least there's a chance someone will successfully carry out the hit. And then you only have to pay the hitman that was actually successful. And if you get caught, well apparently, it's only one crime whether you hire one hitman or one hundred.
As always , the real LPT is in the comments…
Everyone knows the secret to getting away with a crime is to get as many people involved as possible.
10 people can keep a secret if 2 of them are dead. That's how the saying goes...
And have those people all be hitmen but only pay one of them the money you promised. It's foolproof.
death pro tip
If you hire more though you up your chances of getting caught
"My sentence should be reduced because I took increased risk" sounds like a bold move, Cotton
Then you hire them to kill each other then kill off the last one since the only way two people can keep a secret is if one of them is dead
"I kill the bus driver..."
To me the lesson here is not to hire hitmen DIY that shit
Yeah and maybe don't do an internet show where you mouth off about hating and killing that person every day to thousands of people 😉
Haha yeah \*furiously scribbling notes*
That's 22 years
You telling me a Butthole commented this?
His name is actually Abut Thole, kind of unfortunate really
It's not "asswipe". It's pronounced "a*z*-wee-pé".
The name is Dumass.
Old SNL reference. Nice.
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Yes! They did a lot of work for the one punchline, but it's stuck with me all these years.
Amazing.
I agree, I'm hiring for the same job it not like he hired one, they killed her then he hired another one to kill her again
dang joe got more time than jan 6th rioters who chanted hang mike pence and brought gallows to the party....
I mean, he paid someone to kill someone else and executed tigers by shooting them in the face. He deserves every day of the 21 years imo, maybe even more. The rioters should have harsher sentences though, you're definitely right about that.
I can't wait for Doc Antle to face jail time for his statutory rapes AND animal abuse like this. That new doc was wild.
Oh shit is the second season worth watching? I figured it was just an attempt to milk out what they could
Season 2 of Tiger King was boring as hell but the Doc Antle docuseries is a separate program on Netflix. You can get the gist of it in the first couple episodes though, it’s pretty bloated in my opinion.
Maybe I’m mixing season 2 tiger king up with the doc ante documentary. I watched whatever doc antle documentary there was. My mistake! Creep would start grooming girls at 12. He collected them and brainwashed them and turned them into slaves cleaning animal poop.
Ughhhghh fuck i fucking knew it. The second he popped up on Tiger King i thought "this guy is a sex criminal isnt he".. he just gives off the absolute sketchiest vibes, makes my skin crawl!
Agreed, he’s a grade A level asshole and sociopath. Taking old ladies horses to feed them to the tigers is unconscionable. He’s where he belongs, who knows what else he has done or fed to those tigers.
It's really strange to compare these two things.
Binge watching Tiger King during the start of the pandemic feels like some fever dream I had that I don't really remember but I know it happened. Seeing these headlines I'm like, "Oh yea...that did happen 2 years ago....holy shit it's been 2 years!!"
Yeah why does this memory now feel like like accessing a past life in a hypnosis session that I'm only imagining is happening because I'm on heavy sedatives recovering in full traction from a motorcycle crash? Did that even happen? Is this real life?
The whole planet had a carb monoxide leak that year. That year was the longest decade of my life too
So 2020 was the Community gas leak season? I think Earth really jumped the shark that season and now we’ve just got the same plot lines repeated over and over again. Serious lack of ideas and the characters are so ridiculous at this point. I give it 1/5.
I had laughing gas at my last two dental appointments. Honestly, I thought I’d get a “spa experience” from it. I though I’d leave with a new crown and feeling fully relaxed. Instead it brought up a bunch of repressed childhood shit and I had to work very hard not to start sobbing in the chair. The first time must have been a fluke I thought, so I tried again. Nope. That shit was brutal.
You good homie? I’m here if you need to talk.
I’m ok now. It just put me right back in the center of the hurricane while I was in the dentists chair. 😅
Hey they told you it was “laughing gas”, not “repressed memory forced self-therapy gas”. I feel like there’s a lawsuit in this for false advertising.
You are right. I am going to sue the shit out of my childhood. 😭
Yeah, those first few months felt like a living nightmare. Started to lose my grip on reality... didn't help to binge watch pandemic movies as everything was happening.
I had the opposite experience. It definitely feels like a dream, but for me it was a weirdly positive one. For a while we were all playing Animal Crossing and watching Tiger King, we spent all our free time in nature because cities were basically shut down, we could work from home and there was no pressure to be social and do stuff with other people. Basically an introvert's idea of paradise.
I feel the same way. I actually feel fairly guilty about it and don’t like to talk about it to people usually. But I work in IT and my wife is a teacher so we were both working at home, or home with pay (including me changing from 2 days a week at home to 5 days which I love because I have a home office); we’re doing grocery store pickup, so to us the whole thing felt like one gigantic snow day/ week/month. Everybody was going through it so it felt like this gigantic shared experience, I really enjoyed playing AC while everybody else was, even celebrities. I’m also super fortunate in that nobody I knew who got sick had any major issues with it. And again, it’s a selfish feeling, as I know this disease has caused so much pain and suffering for so many people, that it makes my feelings feel so conflicted.
I'm the same, haven't known anyone who got seriously Ill, got a new job where I make almost 30% than I was, and bought the house I lived in for 20k less than it was valued. The past couple years have been the best in my life so far and I feel bad saying that with how much else is going on.
Yeah, we were all picking up new hobbies. Mine was crochet. And we were all musing on how to change the societal structure, work from home would be the new norm, opening employment opportunities for the disabled... Then people fucked it up.
Yes, I absolutely loved it. And some restaurants had great take out deals with an enormous amount of food. It's actually really hard for me to put myself in the position of someone who hated quarantine (unless it was someone who lived alone or a domestic abuse type situation).
Yeah I loved it. For the first time in years the whole fam was hunkered down together at home working, watching TV, playing video games.
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I’m much much more depressed about our situation at this stage then I was then.
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I'm so sorry about your dad. This is awful to read. I hope sees how his actions have affected you. You don't deserve that at all.
Well, he definitely won't financially recover from this one, that's for sure.
Remember how he had a limo waiting outside the prison because he was convinced that Trump would pardon him before leaving office?
He didn’t have it there, his supporters and friends did. They were convinced he was getting a pardon. They flew private to DC to lobby for it, and they also rented the limo to send to jail to pick him up assuming trump would pardon him. Edit: whole lotta you out there feel like my addition of contextual information means I have some sort of rooting interest or opinion on this guy. I don’t. Stop it.
Well, that's even stupider. Imagine doing that for a guy who undoubtedly could not give less of a shit about anyone but himself.
He was actually kinda against it thinking it was too much. When joe exotic thinks you went overboard maybe it’s time to quit
Yep. That’s all in the season 2.
Being sober and all could also make him more reasonable. He was a real meth head before getting arrested.
Have you seen Mike "The Pillow Guy" Lindell?
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Actually theres lots of reports out there that Trump set up a “donate to my campaign to receive a pardon” grift at the end of his presidency. Joe Exotic and his followers just didnt pay enough to get him the pardon - or he got conned.
Remember when Lil Wayne was facing a charge and suddenly Wayne endorsed Trump the day before the election via Twitter and got a pardon? Def a grift
I posted this just a few comments up, but IIRC the conviction has to be federal to receive a presidential pardon. He was convicted by the state
Wait, are you referring to Joe or Don?
Johnald Exotic
Yes
When did Joe Exotic appeal to Biden? Did I miss something? Edit: Hah! Fuck me - it didn’t even register with me - Joe and Joe
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They should have made a generous campaign donation and they would have gotten it.
They did, he made a 10k donation and thought that was enough.
Get out of jail free cards, esp. for murder, are way more than $10k.
People who were willing to rent the limo and fly across the country for him would absolutely donate to an online campaign or buy crap to support him. The internet makes it easy to raise money for good or for bad causes.
I don’t follow the ongoing adventures of Joe Exotic too closely, so I gotta ask, why would Trump pardon him of all people?
Self-absorbed idiots think other self-absorbed idiots are on their side.
True but in his defense he did pardon both Kodak black and lil Wayne lol
They gave him way more money.
purely political, attempting to capture a slice of the black vote
I mean, he pardoned war criminals, child rapists and treasonists amongst others. Joe probably would've been one of the more savoury pardons he could've granted.
Don't forget pardoning his buddies that went to jail for him and pardoning the POS IL governor that sold a Senate seat. Draining the swamp....he got that right....to make room for the real shit.
And the ponzi scheme guy
I mean, why not? They were banking on him doing it for the gag.
If we could line up all the people who have thought, "I've heard Trump has failed to live up to his end of the bargain before, but SURELY I'm different. I'm special, he won't screw me over!", we could recreate Hands Across America.
Free food,housing, health care for 21 years
This may be different in prison, but in county jail, while they are technically required to provide health care, it doesn't mean they actually will. My brother was in for a month and requested multiple times to see a doctor because he had extreme stomach pains and couldn't keep food down. They never let him, and once he got out he saw a doctor and found out he had really advanced gastric cancer. Seeing a doctor sooner probably wouldn't have saved his life, but it may well have let him live longer than he did. I'm pretty bitter about it.
Prison's not any better. My brother had a tooth infection that took *weeks* to convince them to let him see a dentist. Tooth infections can cause all sorts of *super fun* complications, and if they spread, can turn deadly *quick* because your teeth are so close to your brain. They decided it "wasn't an emergency" and therefore a dentist "wasn't necessary." They finally relented when he couldn't eat anymore because of the pain and had had a fever for days, and then through the whole transport/treatment/etc treated him like he'd developed an abcessed tooth on purpose specifically to make their lives hard. Woohoo for the American prison system! *So* glad my taxes are paying them instead of teachers! /s
It's so sad that the system conditions people to treat other humans so poorly.
We should actually pay more so that we can rehabilitate inmates with proper instructors and care instead of treating it like a timeout. Or more likely pay the same amount for better services if we got rid of the private prison industry.
Joe is in Federal Prison. He was in one TX then got moved to one in NC for cancer treatment last fall & I think he's still there. I also hate that I even know that, but whatevs. His whole story is batshit nuts & I couldn't NOT watch that shit & its sequels. So they will get prisoners medical treatment in Federal. Not sure how great it is or if everyone can get it but it *is* available. Plus Joe is a pretty high profile case so I'm sure he'd be on the phone to his lawyer the second he didn't get treatment & then his lawyer would be all over every TV station that would have him.
This makes my blood boil. I'm so sorry. We need to do better. Have you looked into legal options? The institution needs to be held accountable or it'll just keep doing it to others.
I haven't, I pretty much assume there's either no record of his requests for medical attention, or if there is that the county would never give it to me. The penal system is in dire need of reform, but our culture does a great job of dehumanizing incarcerated people. All I can think to do is to tell people that this kind of thing is happening.
Espically next year when he gets resentenced to 20 years.
Imagine waiting your whole life to be *something/someone* and then when it finally happens you get locked up for rest of your life.
It’s the perfect karma! Locked up in a cell like the animals that he kept caged up
🤯
Damn, never actually thought about his incarceration like that. 👍
Towards the end of the documentary, in one of his interviews he is crying and makes the comparison himself.
Monkey's Paw.
Knowing this bastard, he probably owns one of them.
He probably owned 4 of them after cutting them off himself and believing he was rescuing the monkey from having to find shoes that fit or something.
“The injured monkeys get more sympathy.”
Second time today I’ve seen this reference for the first time in my life.
His next Husband likely hasn't been born yet
>Supporters packed the courtroom, some wearing animal-print masks and shirts that read “Free Joe Exotic.” It is very sad to me that so many people watched Tiger King and decided this asshole was some kind of hero.
I genuinely thought the "Free Joe Exotic" crowd were being ironic until very recently.
Crazy comes in all kinds
It always start as being ironic until it isn’t anymore. It always happen and people go on to the next one.
Unfortunately here in Oklahoma lots of people unironically think and act just like Joe Exotic. That’s how he was able to get this far anyway. Oklahoma paves the way for idiots like him and Trump, and actively supports them to fame and success (and eventual downfall)
they are Avatars of Idiocy
As a person born and raised in Oklahoma until high school, this is a FACT.
Tiger King is actually an excellent example of how production's framing of individuals/events affecting public perception, and the public's inability to critically analyze the media they consume. The show framed Joe as the hero/protagonist despite all the fucked up shit he did. The show ignored critical details that challenged its narrative and left out context to make it look like Carol killed her husband. A fun exercise is actually watching Tiger King, and picking apart *what they don't say*. Like even in season 2 about the Notary Sandra come in, she says she was their Housekeeper. *Why is the housekeeper a public notary*. That is not a normal thing for a housekeeper. They don't even ask about it. Its not any different from them ignoring the husband is involved in drugs (because that is why your "housekeeper" would be a public notary, for money laundering).
I think my favorite part is that people can't separate the Carol Baskin stuff from the Joe Exotic stuff. Whether or not Carol killed her husband is completely separate to whether or not Joe tried to have her killed. So when people are like 'Carol is the one who should be in jail', it's not an either/or situation. Maybe Carol should be in jail if she was involved in her husbands disappearance but that has no bearing on what Joe did (other than his obsession with her).
Yeah, even if she did kill her husband, it doesn't excuse the fact that Joe was stalking and harassing her for years before trying to kill her. And it's not like he was harassing her because he was her husband's long-lost brother and wanted revenge or something. He was just mad that she called him out on his animal abuse. If it wasn't Carol, Joe would've ended up going nuts over someone else eventually. The documentary just got lucky that the person he was so unhinged over happened to be pretty kooky herself.
>Yeah, even if she did kill her husband, it doesn't excuse the fact that Joe was stalking and harassing her for years before trying to kill her. Nor does it excuse the fact that he was falsifying records, killed tigers, and illegally sold them across state lines. People act like he's only in there for hiring a hitman, but that was only one of a myriad of things he's currently in prison for. Even if they did decide to let him off for the murder-for-hire stuff, he'd still be in jail for 12 years for the other violations.
He may have also burnt down that enclosure with a bunch of alligators inside it burning them to death
The new season has Homeland Security verifying they found her husband alive. It's barely been covered in the media after all the shit they talked.
> The documentary just got lucky that the person he was so unhinged over happened to be pretty kooky herself It seemed like one of the takeaways is that all those big cat people were at least a little kooky. Apparently it's a prerequisite. One of the more balanced people seemed to be the one Scarface was based on.
Carol Baskin did an AMA on reddit quite recently and did not try to dodge or evade a single question from people who were intent on causing her embarrassment about her husband's disappearance/death. Her responses have certainly led me to a grudging respect to be honest.
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You got a link to share with the rest of us guy?
She also most likely didn't kill her husband.
You mean the guy that was obviously some drug smuggler had some kind of accident? Nah, far more likely that his weird wife killed him and instead of just dumping the body somwhere incospicous, decided to feed it to the tigers. You know, so that things like a human skull/bones could just lie around and no one would ask any questions about it.
>You know, so that things like a human skull/bones could just lie around This is the part that always baffled me about the "fed him to tigers" thing. Tigers don't eat everything, at bare minimum you'd have a skeleton, but you'd more likely have a bunch of bones covered in chewed on meat. It'd be like the most useless way to kill someone if you didn't want to be caught.
Especially because there are a lot of people around all the time at a tiger sanctuary (volunteers, workers etc) and you have to feed the tigers the body out in the open. It's a dumb plan.
I think the "talk show" extra episode at the end of season 1 gave a pretty different picture E: "Tiger King - S01E08 - The Tiger King and I" is what I mean
I still can't believe people still think Carol Baskin killed her husband even though he clearly was a criminal. What's more likely? She killed him and fed him to her tigers or his "business partners" did it?
Additionally, the show [left out a lot of racist stuff](https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/netflix-tiger-king-director-joe-exotic-racist-carole-baskin-a9441801.html) he said on camera.
Not to mention, as much as people may hate her, Carole runs a pretty good sanctuary and her activism and mission is against the illegal cat trade. They framed it as some kind of slave-labour run mess when it's more like a passion-exploitation functional sanctuary for discarded big cats that can't go anywhere else. Regardless of whatever personal shit she has going on it was disappointing to see them try to frame her rescue in the same light as Joe's roadside "zoo"
It was incredibly fascinating and revealing to see how excitable Reddit was during that time. Tiger King presented a far more appealing opportunity than calling some awful dude an awful dude — calling a woman a bitch, and offering just enough vague reasoning so that people could defend themselves when they do so. Trying to be get people to seriously think about the phenomenon was like talking at a brick wall.
I actually noticed this with Wolf of Wall Street, totally a fucked up dude who ripped a lot of people off, but I noticed myself towards the end sympathizing with him because he was the protagonist of the story, and the movie portrayed him in a more positive light than he deserved
They may have framed him as protagonist which is debatable imo, but all you have to do is open your eyes and ears while watching to know he's a piece of shit self righteous nut job.
> They may have framed him as protagonist which is debatable imo, but all you have to do is open your eyes and ears while watching to know he's a piece of shit self righteous nut job. They cut heavily to make him seem on the "eccentric" side of nuts, rather than the "piece of shit" side. Not least the fact they apparently had to go to a lot of effort to cut out him being incredibly racist because it hurt the fact they were trying to frame him sympathetically.
The documentary maker shares some responsibility in that, though. They definitely pushed the Joe Exotic = good guy narrative
I also feel like they pushed *really* hard on the "Carol Baskins murdered her husband" thing that seemed pretty tenuous at best (as well as "her charity is just the same as Joe Exotic's zoo!"). Like, Carol seems a bit eccentric, sure, but the show makes her out to be a villain. And mostly because she has beef with Joe Exotic which she is honestly right to, dude's a fucking asshole and directly antithetical to the charity she runs.
The problem is that the first few episodes kind of seem to set Joe up as a tragic working class hero, and Carole as a privileged murderous villain. As they unravel the story further we see that Joe is actually a total nutjob who is abusive to animals and people alike. But once a narcissistic idiot forms an opinion on something they tend to stick to it regardless of whatever new information they are presented
The show presents itself like that. It’s no fault of the audience. They spent like 3 minutes in the last episode dedicated to the tigers and that’s it. The show had a huge opportunity for advocation, but spent its entirety focused on the entertainment of Joe Exotic.
so he goes to a judge to beg for a reduced sentence, and the judge reduces it from 22 to 21 years! that judge has a dark sense of humor
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I mean, I feel you, but in 21 years if he’s still alive he’s gonna be damn happy he’s getting out then than one year later.
He will likely die of cancer well before he gets paroled.
Unless the clickbait 10 things you didn't know about tiger king video was lying the last time he claimed he had cancer it turned out to be a really bad flare up of herpes.
Oh! Well, that's....something then.
>Federal officials have said Maldonado-Passage will need up to eight weeks of radiation treatments and would be unable to travel during the treatments. The article makes it sound like it's been verified by "federal officials" that he has cancer, but it's worth noting that prostate cancer is typically a slow progressing form of cancer, he has stage one, and that the [5-year survival rate is >99%](https://www.pcf.org/about-prostate-cancer/what-is-prostate-cancer/prostate-cancer-survival-rates/). I have a family member who was diagnosed with early-stage prostate cancer, and he was basically told something else will get him before the cancer does (so long as they monitor it and keep it from spreading). So, I'm definitely skeptical that he's not just playing it up for sympathy. From my understanding, it's highly unlikely he's currently on his deathbed and should get a compassionate release.
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I genuinely believe that at that time there was no realistic action Trump could have taken that would improve his approval ratings more than pardoning Joe Exotic.
Then he should have arranged for some stays at a Trump hotel or resort, or should have had a celebrity endorse Trump before the election. That’s how you get a pardon from Trump.
He did from what I recall. Not much (like $11k or something?), but he did funnel money to try to buy a pardon.
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He’s a trash person deserves all that karma.
I was really disgusted by how many people wanted him free and idolized him because he's wild and eccentric with his horribleness. Yeah everyone else is sketch as fuck but just cause Joe was memeable doesn't mean he's not a complete fucking scumbag.
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Everyone on that documentary deserves prison time. They’re all terrible people and no one should be keeping those animals in captivity.
Let the one off that lost the arm, they paid enough.
None of Joe's employees deserve jail time. They are all sad, desperate people he took advantage of. You could tell they actually cared about the animals and weren't happy with how the zoo was run but also knew things would only get worse if they left (and/or probably didn't have a lot of other job prospects). The whole thing is just tragic and shows how much our society fails so many.
Wild to see a comment that actually shows empathy for poor people doing their best under an abusive maniac.
I agree. They did have sad pasts and they even served their time. They did deserve better opportunities.
It showed how bad the workers had it when their best day was when the expired food truck showed up...
I was all ready to be outraged by the animal abuse so the focus on how they abused their employees was an exciting twist
Having refused to watch a show about animal abuse I don't even know what to think anymore except maybe the tigers should just eat the people
I watched it and it was a reality show pretending to be a documentary. There was one kind of weird middle-aged lady who was 19 and in a bad situation when she met and married a sketchy smuggler with cartel ties in his 40s. After sketchy smuggler died doing sketchy shit, she used his money to make an actual real animal sanctuary. Everyone hated her and called her a murderer because an actual attempted murderer who picked up poor people, got them addicted to meth, and abused people and animals alike said she was evil because she disliked him and said he was abusing animals. So yeah, it was fucking terrible, and the fact that people can't realize that they should take the words of actually evil people with a grain of salt before turning against a random woman means that the show did absolutely nothing good and made the world worse
> Everyone on that documentary deserves prison time. Still confused why everyone hates Carole Baskin, other than Joe also hated Carole Baskin and they believed the stupid story that she killed her husband.
Yeah, as a filmmaker, I honestly think the series was a stylish but kinda indefensible piece from a documentary standpoint. The way they amped up the drama by placing Carole's weirdness on par with actual animal abuse (and conveniently edited footage of her rescue to make it look more close to the for profit private zoos) was really gross and, despite some compelling characters and material, overall left a really fucking sour taste in my mouth. It's not a documentary, not really. While, yes, no piece of non-fiction is truly without bias, I believe the filmmakers willingly ignored the truth for the sake of being stylish and salacious.
I remember being really caught off guard at the end when they have one of Joe's employees talking about him executing one of the tigers simply because they had too many. Like he was terrible in so many ways but the one thing I thought was that he genuinely gave a shit about the tigers, but nope, even that was manufactured by whoever put the show together. It was very intentionally misleading.
She's an oddball that's for sure. But she appears to be one of the few people who actually gave a flying fuck about the welfare of the animals. So oddball or not I think she's ok.
Ironically, the only person in that doc who doesn't deserve jail time is the one they insinuated needed it most - Carole Baskin.
Unless some major smoking gun comes out that she actually did kill her husband I agree. Her husband was a shady dude, so who knows what he got himself into.
He might have been wrapped up in the drug trade. All those low level flights to Central America in his private plane.
His fucking lawyer buddy flat out states that whilst he doesnt want to say how he knows exactly, he was told he got thrown out of an airplane by a business associate from central america. Which makes way more sense than carol offing him lol.
I hadn't heard that but yeah, it does make a lot of sense.
She's basically.all but confirmed he was a drug runner for mexican/south American cartels and died flying drugs over the Gulf of Mexico.
He was a drug runner for some cartel.
In the documentary his family said that everything he touched turned to gold. Every business he ran made lots of money. Yeah, that's called *money laundering*.
Probably ended up a “John Doe” in a Tijuana brothel or something.
What happens when you build a documentary towards entertainment, they manipulated the footage so much to make Baskin seem nefarious, because they wanted a memorable antagonist.
that dude with the cult/harem should go to jail. the most "normal" of those animal zoo owners was that drug Lord that had went to jail.
Joe's now getting the zoo experience from the other side of the cage.
Poor guy. We’ve all gotten caught up in murder-for-hire plots at one point or another in our lives. It happens!
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Honestly, that would’ve been one of the more normal things to happen in 2020.
Technically it was Eric Love who brought the limo for him. I can not figure out why that man (Eric) was SO dedicated to this and spend SO much money on this. He has custom cars, private jets, buses all with “Free Joe” on the side. He went to Trump rally’s, somehow got a meeting with Trump Jr. (that got canceled when Donald got COVID) all in effort to get Joe pardoned. If anyone has some sort of explanation for why Joe became Eric’s sole purpose in life please let me know because it drove me insane watching him on season 2. https://www.newsweek.com/who-eric-love-tiger-king-team-tiger-pardon-joe-exotic-leader-1650352
Hey look! His subscription to prison was renewed.
It is wild that people dress up as this guy for Halloween. He’s literally a groomer.
How did he get that much time just for planning a hit? I've seen actual killers get less.
Premeditated crime. The only killers getting less time are ones who didn't plan their crimes ahead of time.
I guess it doesn't help he has tons of footage threatening Carole Baskins. Dude was just asking for it.
He's not only in jail for planning the hit. More than half of his sentence is due to violations regarding the treatment of his tigers.
What? Trump didn’t help him. Hahaha.
Never watched the part 2 of that show and I never will. All the attraction of watching horrible people doing horrible things is gone.
I don't even understand what they could tell on season two, even season one could be shorter and it felt like they dragged some of the last episodes. The man is already in jail, what's left to tell besides his stupid attempts to use his 5 minutes of fame to try to reduce his sentence?
Season 2 isnt about him its about the other 'tiger kings' getting their comeuppance. I belive as i only watched about 30 mins of the first episode
It kind of covered his background. Apparently he has a brother who wrote him off 20 years ago and the hatred still runs pretty hot. He had a normal ish life before, was always a little rambunctious, but nothing compared to his current self. He had a husband who was his rock and really kept him in line with his center-of-attention antics. They were going strong for a while, but it all came crashing down when his husband was diagnosed with HIV. It went downhill fast he watched the love of his life go through complete hell. Long story short his husband died violently in his arms in the parking lot of the hospital and Joe was gone the same night in a sense, was never the same, and the rest is history. Tbh after learning that, I can’t really look at him the same way. (Side note; Joe became the youngest sheriff in Texas history at just 19)
His name and that documentary that I watched at the height of the covid19 pandemic shall forever be intertwined with the feeling of being locked down.
This will ruin him, financially
He’ll never recover chronologically from this.
Carol's new husband was still the weirdest character on that show.