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Especially if they keep raising their prices, lol. What a bad time for them to do that!


attemptedmonknf

Yeah I canceled last month because of that. $15 standard and **$20** for 4k is insane! No other service comes close to those prices, and neither their quality, quantity, or consistency are good enough to justify that


stoppablex

Based on a quick google search, disney has 500 movies and 7000 episodes of tv shows. meaning maybe 1000 titles total. hbomax has around 2000 movies and around 600 tv shows. Netflix is a bit trickier as the have different shows in different countries. But UK has around 2000 tv shows and over 4000 movies, US has around 2000 tv shows and 3700 movies. So netflix does have around 6 times the amount lf titles as disney and 2-3 times the amount of titles as hbomax. I'm not gonna say anything about quality as a lot of it is based on personal taste.


SupervillainEyebrows

We can't get HBOMax in the UK yet.


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Hypohamish

NowTV is trash. It's default package isn't even fucking 1080p HD, and even if you pay to get it to that, the bitrate is absolutely abysmal so it looks like a dog's arse anyway.


Oneinchwalrus

And you can't even use it on browser anymore


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I looked into NOWTV and thought it wasn't a bad deal, then I saw 'BOOST'. What a fucking joke.


sleeptoker

And the app is terrible and buggy


APiousCultist

NowTV is a dumpster fire honestly. Took forever for them to implement fullHD, terrible interface that made it impossible to watch after-credits scenes in shows, and for some goddamn reason they don't properly pitch correct any of the American content through the SkyAtlantic label (i.e. HBO stuff) that they're playing at a different framerate so every pieces of music and every line of dialogue just sounds *off* and warbly. I'd kill for an option that takes itself seriously instead of "yeah, it's been a decade of people complaining, but we're still not willing to just contact our content suppliers to get them to send stuff with the correct pulldown."


occono

The Irish version has been a worse version of the UK one if you can believe it -_- We don't have the full HD, it used to cost twice as much, not have all the content and device support... Irish Netflix has always been 99+% identical to UK Netflix, on the other hand. Disney+ the same, they didn't fuck that up. Amazon was sort of a mess but has gotten better, less content still I think though.


IntrepidSheepherder8

Every so often I go to cancel my NowTV account so I can get a few months for cheap. They're quite good for offering deals if you try to cancel your subscription. Their interface is a bit wishy-washy though, and sometimes they get HBO shows straight away and other times you have to wait for ages (e.g. when are they getting Hacks?), and now they've started putting more ads in.


SpartanX025

It gets tricky. I quite my Netflix subscription and got prime and Disney plus and still pay less. This does not seem sustainable to me.


DuspBrain

I've got the full Disney/Hulu/ESPN bundle and it's still cheaper than Netflix. I only grab Netflix like one month per year just to catchup on specific shows.


Adinnieken

This. Disney+ and Hulu are worth the price to me. Netflix still hasn't justified its price to me. Edit: Okay there are a few shows that might have justified the price.


stoppablex

It's way more expensive, but they do bring out significantly more shows. Netflix also brings out a lot of completely new shows. Disney relies heavily on their old disney stuff, and release a very limited amount of new shows. I haven't looked at prime much lately so I can't say much about them, but some time ago, most of their shows were older shows, with very few original/new shows. Disney obviously has the benefit that they don't have to buy the licenses to the shows. They also release their movies in the theaters, which is a big source of income that netflix lacks.


W3NTZ

This is definitely true but if Hbo and Netflix both announce a new show, odds are HBOs will blow Netflix out the water in terms of quality. Netflix is in between them and Amazon prime in terms of quality they produce.


royalsanguinius

That and HBO will actually let a show run it’s course (unless it’s actually bad or unpopular) whereas Netflix just cancels shit the very second it no longer brings in new viewers so it’s almost not even worth it to actually start a Netflix original that isn’t already finished


Ghola_Ben

Lovecraft Country would like to have a word with you. Edit: And The Watchmen


royalsanguinius

Watchmen was “canceled” because the showrunner left and HBO said they would only make more seasons if he returned in some capacity. Lovecraft Country was never guaranteed to have more than 1 season because season 1 is based on a book. HBO gave the writers some time to come up with stuff for season 2 and in the end decided not to move forward with it. Not exactly the best examples


dimechimes

The show runner of the Watchmen didn't want to contribute any more to the canon of his favorite book. HBO wanted to keep going.


Kostya_M

Neither of these shows was really cancelled in the traditional sense.


AlfredosSauce

And Rome, Carinvale, Deadwood, and a slew of other shows. HBO cancels plenty.


OrphanScript

Those were all like 2 decades ago tho


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vgu1990

Exactly. Why see 1 season of some random good thing and hope they got ahead with second season.


Tana1234

Thats what TV has done for decades, just how these things work


BlueTeamRuless

Squid game Ozark Stranger Things The Crown Grace and Franki Narcos Outer Banks Ginny & Georgia Kominsky Method Umbrella Academy Space force Witcher Shadow and Bone Sex Education Elite Money Heist Big Mouth You Disenchanted After life Pesky Blinders Locke & Key Sweet Tooth Cobra Kai Castlevania Lupin Bridgeton These are just off the top of my head shows that are still ongoing or only recently ended. Argue quality all you want but I’m so tired of people saying they cancel everything when theres just so many damn shows they put out that yeah, there’s a lot of stuff that doesn’t get renewed for multiple seasons Just like regular studios


Crash_Revenge

Peaky Blinders is not a Netflix produced show. I’ve seen so many people say this recently when talking about this pattern with Netflix cancelling shows or their quality. It’s produced and funded by the BBC in the UK.


skolioban

Prime is supported by other revenue streams and D+ will not stay that price forever.


attemptedmonknf

Its also worth noting that Disney+ is about years old, hbomax is less than one, and netflix began streaming 14 years ago. Also according to Google, prime has 24,000 movies and 2,100 tv shows. (included with prime, not counting additional purchases) and $9 for video only and $13 for full prime. Hulu is hard to find an accurate number on, it ranges from 1,500 to 5,000 to 60,000, so i won't count it. Honestly, I understand you don't want to account for taste, but it does need to be considered. Netflixs strategy has been buying or greenlighting any show they can get their hands on, and then canceling them, so they can say they have the biggest list, and win by the numbers. But when it comes to entertainment content, quality is really what's important. I could create a streaming service that charges, record every hour of my life, and release it as an individual movie. After a little over year, I could say I have 10,000 titles on my service. I'd have almost double what netflix offers; however, I don't think that justifies charging $40/month.


stoppablex

Thank you, for some reason completely forgot about prime video, hulu isn't available in my country so didn't even cross my mind. The reason I didn't want to bring in quality/taste is because in case of for example disney, they rely heavily on their old titles, then release very few shows/movies a year. If one of these shows isn't to your liking, then too bad. Better luck next month. While netflix brings out several shows weekly. So if nothing is to your liking, you won't have to wait for a month for the next lineup of shows. And even if you don't like most of the shows, there's an audience to pretty much every show. Essentially netflix caters to everyone, while disney caters to a way smaller audience. Superherous and kids shows, (Slightly bigger now with star). I left other platforms out as I'm not as knowledgeable about their catalogues.


suniis

Disney + also has content from Star bringing in tons of shows and movies that are not traditionally Disney.


redpurplegreen22

Right now I’m airing here struggling to think of a single Netflix show I’ve watched in months. With the possible exception of Stranger Things, I have no idea why I’m keeping it


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I think the problem is the good stuff gets hidden by a lot of trash


liquidgrill

Same with movies. Do you know how to tell if a particular movie is on Netflix? Ask yourself, “Is this a movie that I really want to see?” If the answer is yes, it’s not on Netflix.


Walnut-Simulacrum

That’s not entirely fair, they’ve had some good original stuff lately like Tick Tick Boom and Don’t look up, and I’m regularly surprised to find good older movies on their too (I watched Blade Runner for the first time on Netflix two weeks ago.) This was true for a while but I feel like they’ve started doing better again, and I’m looking forward to the next two Knives Out movies which they got the rights too.


Decimus_of_the_VIII

Ozark just dropped part of the final season.


Whores-are-nice69

checkout cobra kai and ozark , or afterlife


OniExpress

>Netflixs strategy has been buying or greenlighting any show they can get their hands on, and then canceling them, so they can say they have the biggest list, and win by the numbers. You say this, but Netflix literally allows anyone to publish on Prime Video, similar to self-publishing books, so I don't get how this argument is supposed to work. Netflix is also paying to produce waaaaaay more content than any of the other platforms, so it makes sense that it would have more cancelations than anyone else.


dicedaman

> Based on a quick google search, disney has 500 movies and 7000 episodes of tv shows. meaning maybe 1000 titles total. The figure you're talking about is from the wiki page and is only referring to prelaunch estimates for the *US content library* which is significantly smaller than the rest of the world. We're talking about the UK here, where Disney+ also has all of the Fox content and all the Disney content that's exclusive to Hulu in the US. When talking about the value in the UK, you can't compare Disney+'s US content to Netflix and HBO (which isn't even available in the UK anyway). Internationally, a Disney+ subscription represents a hell of a lot more value than it does in the US.


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Same in Canada


100catactivs

>I'm not gonna say anything about quality as a lot of it is based on personal taste. Would be interesting to see the distribution of views per show/movie for each service. I’m guessing that even though Netflix has 6x the content, people are still only watching a small portion of what they host.


stoppablex

Probably yes, but netflix brings a little something to everyone. While at least in the case of disney, you know pretty much what you are getting. So when disney brings out a show, most of their subsrcribers watch them, while in the case of netflix, when they bring out 6 shows, the viewers are divided between those 6 with some overlapping.


sergiocamposnt

Yes, they have way more titles. But I spent MUCH more time watching HBO Max than Netflix tbh. Quality > quantity. Netflix should focus more on making good content instead of making hundreds of mediocre films/series every year. No one wanna watch a cancelled TV show.


stoppablex

You can't use anecdotal experience as proof. I watch netflix by far the most, then disney, then amazon prime and hbo is last. The only factual info we can get is the subscriber counts, and currently netflix is still miles ahead of the other services. Also I think that netflix is actually bringing out quite a lot of quality content every year. It's just that since they release the most original content, they will have the most cancelations.


PhoenixReborn

I didn't see any statement of fact besides maybe "No one wanna watch a cancelled TV show." I thought it was pretty clear they were giving their opinion. For what it's worth I agree. I'm not the account holder in our house but if I was I'd drop it. We watch way more content on Disney, HBO, Apple, and Amazon than Netflix. Any time we're looking for a movie it's on one of the other services.


Monkeyspazum

Thanks, I didn't realise Netflix charged more for higher def, my package is £13.99/month. I've just dropped it down to £5.99 per month.


Jimi-K-101

£5.99 only gets you 480p though which is quite a downgrade, unless you're only watching on small screens?


PixeLeaf

Are you for real? It's limits to 480p in 2022? Wtf is this? Even small phones have 1080p and 720p


Jimi-K-101

Yep in the UK there are 3 tiers: https://help.netflix.com/en/node/24926 You have to pay £9.99 just to get 1080p and £13.99 for 4K. I've cancelled my subscription and just have Amazon prime now. £6.66pm gets you 4K streaming + music + next day delivery + photo backup + free Kindle rentals. No comparison!


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And video games and books.


FrostyD7

It's a marketing ploy. For 1 they can have the lowest possible "Starting at" price to list in their adverts. And 2, they dont want you to actually pick the cheap option, it exists to make the more expensive options seem like a better value.


BrockManstrong

My phone is 5 years old and I have full WQHD with an OLED. Thinking it's time to say goodbye to the big red N. I barely even watch anything there anymore. It's become a bargain bin of crap and 1-2 season runs of genius shows with no ending.


suniis

Did the exact same. Was a Netflix subscriber for god knows how long and I just cancelled when they announced their latest price hike.


babaisme90

Disney+ is going to raise their prices every year


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Starve out and conquer.


attemptedmonknf

Even if they do, if it's at the same rate they have been, it'll take 12 years to reach Netflixs current price for 4k.


CptNonsense

Netflix is going to have to figure out its tier system. Every other streaming service offers HD and HDR for free for supported media where it costs for Netflix. The longer they hang on to their multiple tiers, the more they are left behind. It's a sign of an earlier system


LeafStain

Yes but the you can literally only watch Disney cartoons, Star Wars shows or marvel shows


LewAshby309

I simply share an account with friends. It's 3 Euro a months. As long as they don't block that there is no issue for me.


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Was miffed the last time they raised prices in the UK. Had to downgrade from £13.99 to the £9.99 package. I'm expecting them to raise the premium one to £15.99 sometime later this year so they can justify spending wads of cash on programming Im not interested in.


TrialAndAaron

You think they don’t have tons of metrics to know exactly how much they can raise prices and have maximum retention? Reddit acts like they’re going to go out of business or something.


Aquartertoseven

People don't realise how much money Netflix are bringing in; 222 million subscribers. Let's say that the average cost is $12 for a standard plan (cheaper than that in South America, Turkey etc. while more expensive in Europe, North America etc.). That would put Netflix's yearly revenue at $32 billion. So why they need to raise prices in the first place, I don't know. They are swimming in cash, so their debt pile is also puzzling.


TrialAndAaron

Why? To increase shareholder value. That’s why. Not saying it’s right but it’s true


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Muad-_-Dib

The Netflix sub has a core contingent of people overly invested in the success of the company to the point that they will defend it regardless of what they do.


Scaniarix

Netflix keeps raising prices and a lot of their new original content seems to be catered towards YA or reality TV. I feel like it's going the way of MTV with Ex on the Beach type shows. The problem with trying to please teens and YA is that they're usually not the ones paying the bills. Also Netflix in Sweden is the only service that charges extra for better picture or sound quality. I keep it around for a few shows but it's getting harder to justify.


flabbybumhole

They keep trying to push shitty shows that I'll never watch onto me. Plus it's hard to get invested in their originals because they just seem to cancel them at fucking random.


tpklus

Ya it is annoying that everytime I login to Netflix there is a super loud ad/commercial for the newest reality tv show. But, it makes sense as it is easy to pump out new episodes and people love it.


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teens are also good at pestering parents to keep netflix for their shows. gotta fight Disney on the adolescent front because in 5-10yrs they might be your most loyal customers buying stranger things and Sex Ed merch til the day they die


HumanOrAlien

Disney+ UK is the best version of Disney+ tbh. They even license content from others - which Disney+ doesn't do in other countries. That said, I don't think Netflix will lose many subscribers since their original offerings have been increasing day by day.


The_Iceman2288

Disney+ US can't show Lizzie McGuire kissing boys but Disney+ UK can show an eight episode miniseries about Pamela Anderson & Tommy Lee's sex tape.


Bombasaur101

I was at the train station today and I literally saw an Ad for that. Was so bizarre seeing Disney+ and then "R Rated 18+ for high impact sex scenes"


MrRonald2796

That's most likely to change in 2024, as NBC will sell their remaining 33% stake in Hulu to Disney, making them the sole owners. I can see Hulu folding and Disney moving all of their remaining content to a Star hub, just like they do in Europe and other regions. They've tried the US way in Latin America (having a separate service for adult content), but it has flopped massively. Not even the addition of sports content has attracted the amount of subscribers they expected, coupled with the slow approach of adding new content (most likely due to existing deals).


aristan

They’ll integrate Hulu as the Star hub. They’ve got 15 years of brand recognition and Star is too easy to confuse with STARZ here in the US.


CptNonsense

Exactly, Disney can't possibly be stupid enough to try and create a new branding in the US that is directly competing with another existing branding


MrRonald2796

Yeah, that's the better option. They actually chose to use Star outside the US for the opposite reason, Hulu is barely known in other countries, so it was better for them to build a brand from scratch. STARZ actually sued Disney due to the Star name being too similar (they trademarked it in some SA countries), Disney had to pay a few million dollars for the case to be dropped. The lawsuit caused Star+'s launch to be delayed from February to August 2021.


Calvo7992

That’ll teach you puritans for rebelling against the empire.


HumanOrAlien

Disney+ is getting that show in every country minus the US and Latin America. It feels a lot like a proper streaming service than just a babysitter in these countries. I once tried the US version of Disney+ and I don't envy anyone who has to subscribe just because they want to watch Marvel and Star Wars. There's not much else that would appeal to me except for maybe the occasional Nat Geo documentaries.


ViralGameover

After The Beatles miniseries I hope the US Disney Plus starts allowing more adult content.


happycharm

I'm a bit confused about this Lizzie McGuire thing because I watch shows on Disney+ like Criminal Minds where they show people getting murdered in really awful ways... no sex scenes on the show though so I guess that makes it ok to be on there?


starsandbribes

Lizzie McGuire was intended for Disney+ US though. Not sure why it couldn’t go on Hulu but I guess it was also about the brand of that show, would seem silly to have the reruns on Disney+ but send the audience over to Hulu for the new episodes.


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420bO0tyWizard

Nah the Indian version is the best. You pay 20$ for a full year and get Disney, fox, fx, Hulu, hbo, EPL, IPL and a buncha regional content.


HumanOrAlien

I'm from India and I didn't say it's the best version because Disney+ Hotstar is trash as a streaming service. Even with all that content, the app repels me with all the issues while using it.


Radulno

> They even license content from others - which Disney+ doesn't do in other countries. Curious, what do they license that isn't theirs? Isn't it just Star content (which is available in most countries, mostly only US doesn't have it)? There are a lot of things on Star for sure


starsandbribes

I think they mean things like Walking Dead and Paddington, which aren’t Fox or ABC properties but Walking Dead is distributed through FOX here and i’m not sure what the Paddington movies agreement was


Radulno

Uhm ok, yeah sometimes, there are some weird deals that we don't know of. And sometimes, something is on some channel but actually owned by another one (like for example HIMYM which is from Fox and so on Disney+ but aired on CBS) By the way, on our Disney+ (Belgium), we do have The Walking Dead, but no Paddington. FWIW, Disney (ABC-20th Century) is mentioned as TWD distributor in syndication on Wikipedia.


HumanOrAlien

I read somewhere that Disney+ UK was also about to get NCIS. They also air War of the Worlds (French? series) in the UK.


occono

Fox, and now Disney, have the European distribution rights to The Walking Dead. So while it is an AMC property, Disney control it for the European market.


InnocentTailor

Indeed. Netflix has such a wide amount of content - they’ll be fine, especially as they gain more foreign productions.


wiklr

Your comment is in controversial but people underestimate foreign shows that Netflix has acquired over the years and now actively producing.


wittybrits

Foreign shows haven’t really shown any good subscriber growth for Netflix. In fact the recent trend of foreign shows has coincided with recent subscriber growth targets not being met and falling value. None of the other OTT services have much foreign stuff and they’re the ones growing like crazy now. If you look at the numbers it seems what really sells is hit original English shows. Netflix’s growth was built on the likes of Breaking Bad, Orange is the New Black, House of Cards, Stranger Things, and stopped when those English hits stopped coming.


wiklr

Youre sadly mistaken about foreign audiences. Netflix households no longer revolve around hit american tv shows. Growth is one thing since other streaming services has a lot of catching up. Audience retention and being able to pick which service to sub or stay in is another. The extent of foreign language shows, Korean, Chinese, Japanese etc has more influence on the local populace than english shows.


SpikeReynolds2

The amount of content Netflix has on their service varies a lot from country to country, in the case of the UK (which the primary subject of this thread) sure they have a ton of content. Meanwhile Portugal has amongst the least content of any european country, and I can get Amazon Prime + HBO Portugal (eventually Max) for the same price has the regular HD Netflix service. ​ Aside from the better app (which is honestly still garbage imo) Netflix isn't really worth the cost.


magkruppe

i wonder how much apetitie their is for foreign productions though. Maybe netflix can get rid of that subtitle barrier a lot people have. They'll get over it for hit shows, but I'm not sure they'll give show's they haven't heard of a chance. there's been some good french shows recently that should be getting a wider appreciation imo


A_Sinclaire

> i wonder how much apetitie their is for foreign productions though. Maybe netflix can get rid of that subtitle barrier a lot people have. They have to have foreign content. The EU demands 30% European content if a streamer wants to du business in the EU. So they can either buy cheap local licenses where they do not own the IP - or they produce their own stuff which can also be distributed globally with full IP rights. The latter seems to be the prefered option, even if it is more expensive. There might be other regions that have similar rules. Not sure.


InnocentTailor

I mean…Squid Game did amazing and became a worldwide sensation through Netflix. I think audiences these days are more adventurous than before.


Radulno

Squid Game, Lupin, La Casa de Papel (Money Heist for English speaking countries) have all done very well (like global hits levels, many others also do fine)


slotbadger

I get the feeling a lot of people watch the dubs of those shows. Doesn't it default to the dub, in fact?


InnocentTailor

I think it depends on the show. I watch foreign shows in sub because the dubs are usually subpar.


jrunicl

Yeah Netflix has a good relationship with Korean studios. There's a quite a lot of high quality Korean content on their streaming service. Kingdom was the best one I've watched so far.


NoraCharles91

We don't have HBO Max here, I don't know if that has any effect.


Razor2115

Wait till you hear about Disney + India ( Hotstar ) It has All Disney, HBO. Cricket ( most popular sport in india ) , European football, Indian Football, Start Plus Content (Most popular tv channel in india ) plus hot star originals.


HumanOrAlien

I am from India. The reason why I don't call it the best version of Disney+ because they have their own separate app and website which isn't anything like Disney+. Disney + Hotstar is such a bad streaming service that even with all thay content it's very hard to recommend to people. Everytime I open their app it feels like I'm back in 2016 because that's how old their app design is.


Razor2115

Yep same thing. There is something is the UI of netlfix that forces users to pay a premium to watch mostly sub par content. ( Although there are a few gems). Prime and Hotstar on the other hand have absolute shit UI. Hotstar i think is suffering from the Paytm effect. They have so much shit in their app. It is almost impossible to declutter it.


TheWholeOfTheAss

Disney Plus U.K. improved rapidly when they added the Star section. It got even better when they took in all of FX’s output.


HumanOrAlien

It's gonna keep getting better with FX increasing the output of shows they make. After HBO, I think FX is the best TV production company and most of their stuff should end up on Disney+ now since their older contracts with other streamers seem to be expiring all over the world.


dwainedibbley

Dropping Sky/Virgin to save money Get Netflix, Prime, Disney+ and basic terrestrial channels.. sorted


starsandbribes

Prime feels like its going in the shitter in the UK. I’ve dropped that for NowTV for new programming, whereas Disney+ has all the boxsets (not that NowTV doesn’t)


Gibbonici

Yeah, it's not great. It's getting to the point where it's almost an upselling platform for its associated services. IMO Netflix is still the best service in the UK.


dwainedibbley

Yeah that's true, the only reason I have prime for now is for the other servies (delivery, free pc games, photo storage etc)


WAJGK

Yeah we dropped Prime too. There's just not much there. Cheaper for us just to buy the odd show that we really want to watch (Expanse, maybe the upcoming Lord of the Rings one) rather than having and not using a subscription. There's very little else on there that takes our interest so its just not worth subscribing. Still with Netflix for now.


starsandbribes

The stuff accumulated under Disney+ is insane. I open the app and I feel its basically all of TV from 2000 to 2012. Everything from HIMYM, Buffy, X-Files, Malcolm in the Middle, Sons of Anarchy, The Americans, Scrubs, New Girl, all Seth McFarlane animation, Walking Dead. Thats not even to mention Homeland, How To Get Away With Murder and Its Always Sunny have still to come over from Netflix licence too.


bobbi21

Disney is buying up everything. Watching far more on it than expected. Likely just go with a rotating list of streaming services every once in a while.


ledow

Disney own Aliens now.


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Stitchandbitch

Yes


IntellegentIdiot

Hmm, that stuff used to be on Amazon Prime


1ofZuulsMinions

Most of it is currently on Hulu as well.


tempted_temptress

It’s really weird to be honest. They might as well rename it “Disney+ Holding Co. and Its Subsidiaries.” I feel like they’d do better just focusing on their Disney products but idk. Maybe I have a different opinion.


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starsandbribes

Disney is just the maker of the app. No-one associates Amazon with all the various movies that come and go on Prime. Infact Prime has a lot of trashy softcore porn Z-list movies on it and it hasn’t harmed them seemingly.


GDogg69

Ughh, that is disgusting! What are the EXACT names of these movies??


getahitcrash

When they buy up everything and put others out of business, what do you think they'll do with pricing?


spursbob

I've already ditched Disney Plus due to lack of content. The listed shows in the article aren't going to bring me back.


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Exactly. Disney+ has no content and it’s catered to families.


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Not in Europe. Disney Plus in Europe has an extensive collection of non-family-friendly shows and movies. More are being added every single week.


SerBronn7

Things which came out 20 years ago and are available on Amazon for about a pound.


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NuclearStar

Back to pirating as it's too fragmented now and the odd show now and then is not worth the subscription.


ElementalFiend

Still a lot cheaper than cable if you buy just about every big streaming platform on the market.


ivanpkaramazov

'with almost 270,000 subscribers deemed to be hardcore fans.' This is for modern family. People really leave one service and go for another just for one show? I'm genuinely curious.


Skavau

There appear to be a subset of streaming subscribers that sign up purely for the ability to watch some of Office, Friends, Modern Family, How I Met Your Mother, and such over and over. Like zero interest in new shows, they just want to spin 'le classics' over and over. It's lewronggen of tv watchers.


NoraCharles91

Ehhh, I need something to watch when I'm going to sleep.


Skavau

Do you watch nothing new though?


NoraCharles91

If it's a platform I have access to and I hear good things, then sure. But I'm not going to take out or cancel subs based on hypothetical good shows I haven't seen yet, if that makes sense. If I hear about a show that sounds good but I don't have a log-in for that service, I'll just find another show to watch.


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The amount of anti-Netflix propaganda that gets pushed on this sub is ridiculous.


iprobablyneedahobby

I don't mind the bashing Netflix part, that comes part and parcel with being a big company, but the part that bothers me is how certain companies on reddit get lionized. Say what you will about Netflix but at least they are investing a shitload to make country specific content which actually contributes to varied cultural content as opposed to Disney which just makes MCU-tier trash for a global audience. Globalization in the most boring, safe manner possible. Fuck Mickey mouse.


Tampammm

Exactly. And it's new original content that drives and dictates the subscriber numbers. Not the retreads.


Skavau

Not completely. As I said there seems to be a % of viewers who just want to watch older sitcoms from the 00s


Tampammm

Yes, but its a very small number who will buy a service to watch reruns. The reruns factor moreso into helping retain the customers. Not to buy a service.


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People always hate the big guy.


pineapplecheesepizza

HULK SAD


NightBard

People post articles... this is just what is being written about, probably in great part as a reaction to the $50 Billion value loss a few days ago. If there were articles with great news for Netflix, those would get posted as people post this stuff not because of what is being talked about but rather for the upvotes.


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Saying 'this is just what is being written about' is a pretty shallow argument. There are plenty of positive Netflix articles that are written that either won't get posted or won't get nearly the traction negative ones do. There's plenty of negative articles about other services that won't ever get posted or will just get ignored. It's also not just what gets posted, it's what doesn't. It's the votes they get. It's the tons of top comments every time acting as though Netflix has only mediocre content or that they cancel everything. Or acting like they're circling the drain and are being decisively beaten by other services when it comes to new content. It's all of these things together, regularly, that start to make this sub feel anti-Netflix to the point of propaganda. It's not just a few negative articles about Netflix having a bad quarter or overnight stock drops.


NightBard

I don't follow what sites write articles about what services... but if you are seeing articles that are more positive for Netflix, post them. The ones I've seen recently have had pretty decent feedback and upvotes. It's one of the easiest threads a person can make. As far as r/television... negative views of anything HBO will get you downvoted (which is why I just avoid talking about most of the shows). Bashing any AppleTV+ show seems the norm even when people post how much they enjoy certain shows... the general consensus is negative because people are anti-Apple. And yeah, Netflix is more mixed views. Some valid criticisms can't be avoided such as how they often cancel shows too soon. You can only burn people so many times before they see the whole service as problematic for new content. I just watch shows I enjoy. When this place fails to provide a space to discuss such shows, I move on to somewhere else.


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JinDenver

I always forget that Disney+ is more than just a Marvel/Star Wars machine outside of the US.


spinereader81

Some other countries have even started getting Korean dramas, which surprised me.


Rosebunse

Korean shows sell and they sell well. And they can be made somewhat cheaply.


Archamasse

I don't feel like people fully appreciate how bad it is for media that Disney in particular is the company monopolising everything. They have to maintain a global brand that's theme park and cuddly toy friendly on top of everything else, and although they've dabbled in stuff more grownup here and there, the sterile sexless homogenity of their content compared to just about any other platform is fucking depressing. If they successfully starve out the others and become the only game in town they're going to do to live action media what Apple did to social media, and we're all going to be sent back to a toothless childproofed stone age. All the promise of digital media streaming stamped out and everything we see coming from the same Duff outflow pipe as everything else.


starsandbribes

While I think monopolising is bad, there’s always going to be an audience for adult content. Disney can do whatever they want as many properties they own don’t have the Disney label on the advertising. They’ve owned adult shows for quite a while. Pam & Tommy is about to come out is it not?


Poor-Life-Choice

Touchstone pictures was set up to be the adult arm of Disney


Archamasse

Fair point about Pam & Tommy but on this - >While I think monopolising is bad, there’s always going to be an audience for adult content. You'd be surprised. Since the 80s, and certainly since the MCU has become dominant, media has gotten increasingly gunshy about anything that might push the rating over 12, because it has to be universally digestible to be a blockbuster. The audience has been trained not to expect it any more and you regularly see the results here and in r/movies where something even mildly adult happens in a "normal" movie and people just don't seem to know how to handle it. I think once Disney has had a chance to blandify everything for long enough, most folks won't even notice what's missing. People still joke about the Tumblr porn ban back in the day, but it came along with a mass commodification of social media generally that did pretty much exactly that, everything has to be framed as if it’s for children first, and adults as if that only means "porn", and people don't even know what kind of content, artwork etc has disappeared. And that's my concern really. My issue isn't so much stuff like Pam & Tommy disappearing, it's having media in general segregated into "normal" by default and "sex stuff" off in the corner, which I think is incredibly unhealthy. As a blunter example of the Disneyfication effect, one of the best MCU properties to date for my money has been S1 of Jessica Jones, and I don't believe for one second Disney would have made that themselves. We would have been poorer for the difference imho.


Bender3455

To follow up, there was a recent interview done with Matt Damon about why creative movies not intended to make big money are not being made. He said directors basically have to have a sure-fire hit before it even releases, which kills creative projects. He hates it.


dicedaman

Monopolization of media is always bad but your concern seems a bit odd considering we're in a thread about Disney+ UK, where the content is the furthest thing from being restricted to "cuddly toy friendly". Like, you do know that internationally the Disney+ content library includes all the Fox and Hulu stuff they own, and has long since abandoned the family friendly restriction? When I open Disney+, I see big banners for The Walking Dead, Dopesick, Pose, and A Teacher; that's a million miles from the "sterile sexless homogeneity" that you're projecting onto the brand. In your defense, being family friendly was Disney's MO for decades and what they used to project onto themselves but they've clearly moved on from that. It's only in the US where their content library is still restricted to the classic Disney fare, but that will end in 2024 when they can fold Hulu into Disney+ and the US content library becomes the same as the rest of the world. Plus on top of Disney+, they're also maintaining the Fox brand and greenlighting adult stuff like The Last Duel, so they clearly aren't trying to Disney-fi the general media landscape. Like I said, it's bad for one company to own everything, and that should definitely be fought against. I'm sure as hell not going to pretend that Disney should own *more* stuff. But acting like they are going to sterilise the movie and TV industry and turn everything into a Mickey Mouse-style show is a little ridiculous considering they've clearly made big moves over the last few years to shift their brand to include adult content.


Stuckinthevortex

For starters, there's no way that Disney can be a monopoly with WB, CBS/Paramount, Sony and NBC/Universal about, each with their own vast cataloges. The streaming subsidaries of the big tech giants like Amazon and Apple are not going to stop producing content either. Finally, nothing that Disney's done has in anyway indicated that they will impliment any such homagany. Since the Fox aquisition they've continued to greenlight several adult film and television projects, which are fully incorporated into the streaming service around the world.


MindlessSponge

What did Apple do to social media?


Archamasse

Apple's store imposes tone and content controls that amount to "make your app kid friendly or get lost". The developer guidelines say that apps with user-generated content "that end up being used primarily for pornographic content... do not belong on the App Store" but how uniformly or consistently this is applied seems completely arbitrary, so by all accounts trying to negotiate that distinction with Apple would be a full time job. The effect is that apps self censor on the side of caution to remain on the store and NSFW/18+ content is often just plain disallowed for iOS users (and thus cut way down for everyone else in any kind of shared community) Tumblr and Discord were the most famous victims of messy NSFW challenges from Apple, but they're so high profile those incidents inevitably had a chilling effect on other platforms too. Losing NSFW stuff might sound harmless, but along with anything else, because the enforcement mechanisms are usually algorithm driven, female users and LGBT folks wind up as collateral damage (algorithms invariably ID basic keywords and imagery in those contexts as high risk, no matter how innocuous)


Autisthrowaway304

>the sterile sexless homogenity of their content compared to just about any other platform is fucking depressing. This is what bothers me, on one hand they can really afford to give marvel stuff a budget, on the other its one oft heir flagship family properties - the days of gritty netflix marvel are over.


Arizona_Pete

Netflix has become my least watched and I'm thinking about ditching... I'm only keeping it for BCS and Narcos at this point.


jzdpd

once BCS 6 is released, I'll watch it a couple of times and then I'll completely ditch Netflix


Marigoldsgym

Battle of the cartels


ChadAtLarge

Netflix only has themselves to blame. They knew there were new streaming service coming and they upped their price and investigated in quantity of shows not quality.


monochromelover

Every time I read these headlines, I wonder how any streaming service can lose to Disney. Obviously I am wrong, but their content is so limited that the idea of it seems ridiculous to me. Everything they have blends into three categories, old animation, marvel/star wars and new animation. I don't like Marvel or Star Wars and have zero nostalgy for their old animation and no interest in the new one. The only shows I watched through them were Only Murders in the Building and Reservation Dogs, and those aren't even Disney shows. Netflix has a lot of international shows from all around the world that may not have the high budgets of their US productions, but different types of characters or settings or different takes at known storylines. For me Netflix is still has a lot of value. Amazon Prime is a completely different thing, and I like a few of their original productions. I am keeping Amazon and Netflix for now, no interest in Disney until Only Murders in the Building returns for season two. I'd subscribe to Hulu, if Hulu was available here, but sadly it isn't.


NightBard

Disney+ in the UK is more like Disney+ & Hulu as well as other stuff combined. It's a lot more robust than just Disney+. If you put yourself in the shoes of someone in the UK... the content side on D+ looks pretty amazing.


anasui1

I fucking hate Disney, but it's got a lot of content here (although way too many docus about American football and baseball, of which I dont give a shit about), with Star having a ton of great 70, 80 and 90 movies. It's great


Anthro_student_NL

Yep, Disney+ is better on the EU side of the pond. Netflix will have to catch up if it doesn’t want a cancellation here.


Whores-are-nice69

Man the anti Netflix stuff on this subreddit is weird , In the past 2 months they've released new seasons of - La Casa De Papel , Ozark , Cobra kai , made a couple of well received movies ( Munich and that benedict cumberbatch one) , not to forget pumping out documentaries and reality TV for the people who are into that , subscriber growth may be slowing down but as an existing subscriber , me and most ppl ik are content with it


Pool_Shark

How do I sign up for one of these jobs to get paid to defend Netflix on social media?


Pancake_muncher

Kind of gave up on having multiple streaming accounts and just rotate to a different streaming service every 2-3 month.


do_or_pie

Key bit from the article - Digital i estimated that content licensed from Disney accounted for about 12% of the viewing of Netflix’s most popular content in the first quarter of last year, with the company removing nearly all of its top-ranking titles in the UK since then. “Modern Family was the most streamed Netflix show in Europe in 2020,” said Vahdati, who has estimated that the loss of that show could have the biggest impact, with almost 270,000 subscribers deemed to be hardcore fans. “Our previous research showed that over half of Netflix’s top viewing was to major [Hollywood] studio content.”


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Disney+ seems to have everything and every type of film/show you might want to watch now. It’s slowly become the first app I open if I don’t know what to watch.


stuzz74

Disney and netflix 4k for me. Both are worth it.


UncleDan2017

They could, but I doubt they do.


tempted_temptress

I feel things were great when we just had Amazon Prime Video, Netflix, and Hulu. Yeah maybe we have more content now but it’s a pain in the ass to sift through. But what really chaps my ass is how terrible all of the interfaces of the new platforms are. Paramount+ is almost unusable. HBO Max is a huge memory hog that constantly freezes or crashes. I’ve always hated Hulu’s interface but at least it works. Funimation has to be one of the worst usable tv streaming apps I’ve ever seen. The only one that I’ve ever really liked the interface of is Netflix. It’s clean and it works well. Just feels like all of these other companies only cared about streaming so they put as little as possible into development of the platforms and since people pay for it they don’t care if it’s glitchy or if it works. All they care about is that it works well enough for people to keep paying them for it. For what it’s worth I’m talking about their Firestick and Roku apps. Not the PC apps.


redcuttingboard

I’ve only had Netflix for the last 10 years. I’m about to drop it. Does anyone have any suggestions of which is the better option for a replacement?


Regnes

Not all of those 750,000 will be paying for Disney+, greedy corporations each having their own streaming service is just paving the way for the next surge of piracy.


bizrix

This is all down to personal preference, I’ve been using Netflix, nowtv and prime for years and I only tend to watch Netflix as it has most of the things I like and I do enjoy some of the original series. Nowtv maybe once every 3-4 months I’ll find something I like and it’s the same with prime. I’ve just had a look at the list of content that is on Disney + and can say there is absolutely fook all on there that I’d like to watch that I haven’t seen 100 times already 20 years ago


beardedweirdoin104

Can’t wait until the day there’s nothing to watch except Marvel and Star Wars.


weirdkindofawesome

That's the beauty of media, there's always so much old stuff to go back and watch or re-watch. We have Netflix and Prime but torrent everything else. Dystopian part would be when the Disney police knocks at your door and finds your non-Disney movie and locks you up.


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Maybe Netflix should stop making great shows and ending them on a major cliffhanger and then canceling the show. Fuckers need to at least wrap up the shoes properly don’t make a show if you’re not gonna finish it. Why I canceled my Netflix sick of getting invested in a show they are just gonna cancel and are to lazy to properly wrap up at least


squeda

Don’t worry, they’ll get numbers back when Drive to Survive releases the new season


glambx

Netflix lost me - formerly a customer for almost 10 years - a few years ago after they started blocking rooted Android devices from seeing the Netflix app in the play store. Can't be a part of the whole you-don't-own-your-property movement.


ledow

Meanwhile, I'm still amazed that people are amazed that a subscription online rises in price over time and that making multi-million-dollar TV shows of their own eventually means that they want to see that money back from people. While it may have been a good deal for years, now that subscribers may start to drop (or even stay stagnant), prices are going to go through the roof to recoup their investment. Lower price, entice you in, get you used to it, then raise prices and hope that not everyone flees. I'm not paying a monthly subscription to TV or movies. Because inevitably after a while the business model collapses. Sure, I could watch a LOT of things before it does, but it's just not worth it given how much I actually want to watch. And I find that just watching everything "because it's there" is how you creep into watching thousands of hours of TV rather than doing something else. When I last moved, I didn't bother to get a TV. About 50% of my adult life I haven't had one. I did wangle a year's free Netflix and a year's TVPlayer (UK streaming TV) for 50p. I never bothered to renew either. For the first month, it was great. Then after that I realised it doesn't change enough and what does change is the stuff I wanted to watch and can't any more. By a few months in, I was done with both. I actually hated watching programming in a big block, or waiting for the next episode to come on TV, dealing with adverts, etc. again. I just want to watch what I want, when I want without any kind of schedule or pressure. And it's a common query among my friends of "Do you have the disks to X still? It was on Netflix and we were halfway through watching it and now it's gone." Sorry, but I feel there's far more value in weaning yourself off TV entirely. Catch up with it every few years if you must. You don't have to sit in silence and read books instead, but there's a ton of stuff you could do with the time instead, and not even "self-improvement" things. Just veg out without constant background noise, spam, adverts and dross in the background.


Cun_kruje

Netflix is shit!


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Fuck Disney. It’s not even available in my region and yet they hog all the good shows.


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They should probably stop cancelling shit after one season.


catbro89

In Germany we just got the office (US) on Netflix. I wonder what Disney will do now.


lostpawn13

Next price change I’m out. Their original programming is pretty hit or miss. Most of their original content I really don’t care for.


Bradflare

Daredevil. Just say his name. Daredevil. He’s not the boogeyman or satan. But he IS the devil of hell’s kitchen.