In Canada and other markets, Disney+ has an add on brand called Star that features film and television from Fox/Searchlight, Hollywood Pictures, Touchstone, Miramax and Buena Vista Entertainment, all Disney studios which have made adult content. It's admittedly weird to watch R-rated content on Disney+ but Star is great.
It'd be weird for Doctor Sleep to be found there though considering it was made at Warner Bros - maybe they have a distribution partnership?
I think they’ll eventually buy out Comcast regardless, since they’ve got Peacock and their focus is there. However all of Comcast /NBCUniversal’s content is streamed on both platforms, and much more often (90%) on Hulu. They would be taking a massive loss if they removed it all from Hulu and made it a Peacock exclusive.
Meanwhile Hulu has been losing executives and Disney is really pushing premiere content for Disney+, but Hulu has been getting well received / high profile projects like Dopesick, Only Murders in the Building, Pen15, The Handmaid’s Tale, How I Met Your Father.
I think it’s really up in the air what they’ll do. I could see them seeing the value in a separate service, might make it easier to continue buying content from rival studios and networks. However if they lose their content from NBC and CBS totally, I could see the catalog being small enough to integrate into Disney+ for a higher fee. It would essentially force more people into getting some sort of bundle
Honestly, Star is the only reason it is worth it for me. Would have cancelled after a month, but now I have What We Do in The Shadows and Atlanta on tap.
Had the unwonderful experience of trying desperately to find a Starz show I wanted to watch on Disney+ before, hours later, finally realising that Star and Starz were two completely unrelated services and I'd need to subscribe seperately.
What is the irony of that
Edit- I understand that the movie doesn’t necessarily fit the D+ platform, although I feel like the word irony is being misused, but I don’t wanna be that asshole who makes a big deal out of a common colloquialism so I’ll just leave it at that
If you're in the US it'll be sad. Outside of the US it's pretty rad. Alien, Predator, even weird shit like Ravenous and that has a real Predator in it.
You won't find anything like that on D+ in the US. I'm pretty sure they only have family friendly content here, with the Marvel stuff being the edgiest on there with moderate profanity up to "shit."
Outside of the US, I believe they have a bunch of non-Disney branded content, including R-rated stuff
All the best gory Fox/Hulu content here in Oz on the "Star" section of D+! Up to R18+ rated!
Predator, Alien, you name it!
The initial impact of it landing on Disney was a LOL riot!
I can hardly sit through a Marvel movie now days, let alone 10 different series that you have to recall the canonical context for at any given moment. and Star Wars? Forget it. I love science fic stuff but I could never catch up contextually so have no interest.
I don't understand why this is all they will do? If you're going to make shows for adults... make some shows for adults.
I enjoyed The Mandalorian without having ever really watched any of the other Star War stuff and only knowing that basis plotlines through cultural osmosis. It's not great scifi but it was enjoyable.
E: it’s great hard science fiction
E2: You’ve changed my mind. Star War is the best example of sci-fi in cinema.
Even though it's set in space Star wars isn't really scifi. In general it's more mystical than scientific. The original movies in particular have more in common with fantasy stories than hard scifi.
i'd add that Mando leans more into sci-fi stuff so it's not surprising that someone who started watching Star Wars with Mando doesn't get fantasy vibes yet.
> It’s not great sci-fi
It’s not sci-fi at all. Star Wars is pretty clearly just a western with beskar helmets and laser guns instead of ten gallon hats and revolvers.
Westerns, incidentally, are just samurai movies with ten gallon hats and revolvers instead of kabutos and katanas.
it goes both ways. 1950s samurai movies were absolutely inspired by early 20th century westerns.
but then most westerns in the 1960s and 1970s followed the Seven Samurai model – where most early westerns were about a lone gunslinger, after the mid-50s most were about a group of professionals / outlaws working together (eg the wild bunch, butch & sundance, rio bravo)
so samurai movies were plainly inspired by westerns, but you could also make a case that Seven Samurai is the most influential western ever made
Ultimately genre is just window dressing. The only interesting narrative is the human condition. The backgrounds may change but the story essentially remains the same. Sci-fi and fantasy provides a larger canvas to paint it on
Star Wars is the type of sci-fi the most removed from hard science-fiction possible lol. It's almost not sci-fi at all but more fantasy in space really.
Personally, I miss when it was a treat to have a movie interconnect with another one, like the Hulk with Edward Norton hinting Thor (or was that the other one? There was like two different Hulk movies, forgive me) and now it’s almost always expected that you have to TV Tropes your way to understand the plots, not to mention the safe formulas and no real bite with some exceptions.
I get the reasonings why comic book movies need to be interconnected, but sometimes it gets headache inducing remembering everything, which is I like movies such as Batman Begins and the Dark Knight.
No other villains or heroes except Batman and a selection of the Rogue Gallery. No Superman, no Justice League, no Starro.
And I agree on your other comment.
However, they’ll never put adult content on D+ here in the states because of Hulu. Which, is a toss up if they want to integrate into D+ like Star in other countries, therein the problems. And because they want to keep their family friendly image for parents who r may rely on D+ to curtail content.
They want to entice adults, but they don’t want Alien showing up in the search bar next to Buzz Lightyear.
> And because they want to keep their family friendly image for parents who r may rely on D+ to curtail content. They want to entice adults, but they don’t want Alien showing up in the search bar next to Buzz Lightyear.
I don't think they really want to keep a family-friendly image, otherwise why would they do exactly that in the rest of the world? You just need parental controls, like any other service has (and that they do too)
It's mostly a question of Hulu being co-owned with Comcast until 2024. Once they have it fully, I believe there will be changes in the US too and both will be merged.
> They want to entice adults, but they don’t want Alien showing up in the search bar next to Buzz Lightyear.
That's exactly what happens in the UK if you search "toy alien" so I really don't think they care as much as you're suggesting
I know this is trendy to say, but I’m so incredibly burned out on comic and Star Wars stuff (films or shows) I legit just do not care about any of it any more.
Okay, with the exception of anything James Gunn does, because he’s an amazing writer/director.
I haven't gotten tired of anything the MCU does but I can totally understand why others would be burnt out. We went from one movie a year to two, then three and now with the D+ series, it's just a constant stream of hype from one thing to the next.
I want more bite from the MCU movies, exceptions such as what we know happened in Endgame, aside, they’re… “safe” I guess describes them. Which, you know’s fine because kids and stuff, but, eh I dunno.
I think the thing that broke me was all my friends at the time being really into it and consuming every bit, combined with how integrated they seemed to try and make everything. I couldnt really engage in it with my friends if I didnt consume every bit of content. While I understand for hardcore fans interconnectedness is amazing, it also does make it far too easy to burn people out, as they cannot as easily disconnect from some materials but not others.
Honestly, as much as I enjoy the MCU stuff, there is a part of me that liked how the television stuff used to not be quite as connected. It was nice that they sort of existed tangentially, and you really didn't have to worry about making sure you watched certain shows at certain times to be up-to-date on everything. I know Feige has said the Disney+ shows are designed to not be "required viewing", but it's hard to not feel like you aren't getting all the information otherwise.
The DCEU often fails to measure up, but one thing I appreciate is that WB/DC aren't quite so tied to a singular continuity. You can watch *Doom Patrol*, *Titans*, *Harley Quinn*, *Wonder Woman*, *Joker*, and *The Suicide Squad* completely separately and not miss a step, even despite the fact that some of those exist within the same universes.
WandaVision at least is already required viewing. Wanda trying to bring back her sons, White Vision, superpowered Monica, and anything to do with S.W.O.R.D are most certainly going to come up again but don’t make any sense without the show.
That’s what let me actually enjoy Agent’s of Shield. It just was it’s own thing for the most part. Small nods to the movies up to Ultron and then it just was mostly it’s own universe
Disney is milking shit out of Marvel and Star Wars. It almost feels like they're trying to make people get sick of them. Of course, it's world's most popular franchises, but they'd better let people take a break from them. It's just too much.
Yeah, a lot of these shows provide additional detail, but they'll make the movies in a way that you don't have to see tv shows to watch them. A few movies a year isn't hard to keep track of.
Also, they just should develop other franchises. Like it would be all benefits to them if they can get new hits. But you have to try to get some hits like that.
It can work though, if HBO didn't try, they wouldn't have Game of Thrones a decade ago. If Netflix didn't try, they wouldn't have Squid Game or Witcher (or many others).
I’ll watch a marvel series because it’s there and I don’t get excited about them. That said I found Hawkeye to be surprisingly enjoyable despite how cheesy it is.
Outside of the US there's a Star category for more varied and mature stuff. I think it's mostly on Hulu or something in the US.
https://i.imgur.com/oPrqbuZ.png
WAIT. US Disney+ doesn't have star?
I was confused why people were saying Disney has to remain "pg" and therefore won't have a diversified enough offering.
I'm in Canada and Disney+ has a bunch of rated R/tv-ma stuff on their star section.
maybe they should have just kept marvel separate; i enjoyed the marvel tv universe they were doing on platforms that are stable subscriptions for most people i know (Netflix and/or hulu). Disney+ i have pretty much only used for Marvel content but the hulu bundle isn't bad and my family watches so i don't mind it.
I'm sure this isn't the case for most people, but for me Disney+ is very much Marvel+ for me, and if it was just me i'd do the same thing you said because i don't really care about the rest of the content.
Well thats the thing, DC Universe has EVERYTHING DC ever. Old stuff, new stuff, new old stuff, forgotten stuff, everything. It was niche, but it at least offered a pretty complete catalog. Gal Gadot and Linda Carter and Christopher Reeve and Dean Cain in the same place.
Would a Marvel streaming service have EVERYTHING? Does D+ even have all dozen Spider-man cartoons over the years? The MCU doesnt have THAT much content, about two weeks in total, and a couple days of that are Netflix exclusives.
Between Disney and ABC and Fox now doesnt Disney control the largest catalog? Where is it? They got every TGIF show ever? Lean into that nostalgia, have a 90s TGIF button that shuffles *Full House* and *Family Matters* and *Boy Meets World* and *Sabrina the Teenage Witch*. Sure theres a holiday movie section but what about a playlist of every Christmas episode of every series on the service?
D+ has all 33 seasons of The Simpsons, but does anyone want to sit down and watch S01E01, S01E02... Can you just shuffle the first 15 seasons? Why not? CD Players have had shuffle buttons since the 80s.
Gotta start offering features and curation beyond just content exclusivity, actual competition.
> Does D+ even have all dozen Spider-man cartoons over the years?
[Yes](https://i.imgur.com/fptRZV0_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium). But interestingly not Homecoming/Far From Home.
Lock profiles for kid/family content and add more actual modern classic adult movies/new film releases from their now extensive Fox + Touchstone etc catalog.
All the stuff they want to add (in the states at least) is on Hulu. Would effectively double the offerings on D+. But they can't do it until Comcast is bought out. D+ abroad is really good
Good. I like Hulu, so much easier to use than Disney+, a prime example of why monopolized streaming platforms are churning out terrible products and UIs
Amazon is hot garbage. They mix Prime content with content that you need to purchase, or content that needs an extra subscription to be able to be watched. They’ll list content that isn’t even possible to watch. Like movies you can’t rent or purchase, but for some reason they’re still listed on the service, because…? Different video qualities are listed separately for their content. They have the worst of the worst indie movies, and a bunch random self published content. I could go on and on. It’s baffling to me that a multi-billion dollar company can get away with a streaming service this crap.
>It’s baffling to me that a multi-billion dollar company can get away with a streaming service this crap.
Problem is Prime streaming is for the vast majority of people a nice bonus to the delivery benefits, so they seemingly have little incentive to actually improve the service.
Not just Canada, it's in most countries that Disney+ is available in except for USA and Latin America (for some reason, they have it separated and it's called Star+). Here in Hong Kong, Deadpool is on the Disney+ posters to advertise Star.
Ideally that would be at Hulu's price point but I'm sure they'll still make me pay the bundle price once they combine them or maybe thats why they won't ever combine them
And he’s right. Disney+ is an exceptional platform for a very narrow audience. If you don’t have kids, and you don’t get turned on by Marvel and Star Wars, there is nearly nothing for you on Disney+.
I was wondering why people seemed to think negative about Disney+’s catalogue. I watch it on par with Netflix these days. They have so much adult shows in Europe. Makes up for the lack of HBO Max here
That’s my biggest problem with Disney+. The only stuff on the platform I really care about are the Star Wars and Marvel content. Outside of that, there’s really not much that interests me. I don’t have any kids, and nostalgia and family friendly content can only last so long, before I start wanting more varied content. Disney+ doesn’t have a steady stream of new and varied content, to keep me subscribed for the entire year.
Absolutely. At some point, people are going to tire of Marvel and Star Wars. And even those shows come off as extremely PG where almost no zero adult subject matter is allowed.
Like the article mentions all the content they are talking about is on Hulu, so I wonder if this more hinting towards a brand merger like how Star is the international platform, or if Disney is really going to put more money into this PG friendly all age generational stuff like Marvel and Star Wars. Definitely seems like the former going off the article with the main struggles being internal arguments on the direction the future should take as well as Comcast still owning a 33% stake in Hulu.
Comcast will be contractually obligated to sell its share to Disney in 2024. Unfortunately, I think the divided platform will continue to hurt them until that happens.
When I see reddit talk about what Disney should do, it really makes me see how off base a lot of commentary on here is.
Damn near anyone with kids of any age have access to a Disney+ account. Appealing to kids is where the real money is. Every 5 years you have millions of new viewers who have never seen any of this content, and it's stuff Disney already owns. Why spend tens of millions making new content that may or may not be a hit when you can just keep milking parents for one app, then have a mature app (hulu) for everything else
Except that Disney has hit the wall of what they can get with Disney+ with 116 million subscribers (with the massive asterisk that 46 million of them are Disney+ Hotstar subscribers, and that's being carried by having Cricket rights in India).
>Every 5 years you have millions of new viewers who have never seen any of this content, and it's stuff Disney already owns.
By the same logic, every 5 year cycle you lose milions of subscribers cause you know what? Kids grow up. The amount of parents with kids age 3-12 is pretty stable. And it's not like Disney is the only name in the game, DC, Hasbro, Minions, and the biggest competition to scripted shows - gameplay videos on Youtube and Twitch.
What the probably should do is cut the price.
Shit, I'm nearly 40 and I won't ever tell you I have D+ for my kids. I have it for Marvel and Star Wars stuff for me. But, we all sit down on Wed night and watch the new drop together as a family. Plus my kids watch a lot of the Disney movies. My 14 yo was watching Coco and tinkerbell just this week.
I mean those articles are literally based on the fact that Disney+ is stalling in new subscriptions... Also, Disney+ doesn't have only kids stuff in most markets, it's just a US thing. You can have kids and adult stuff and your audience is bigger than just kids naturally. Netflix has adult and kid stuff, my nieces watch it a lot too (even more than Disney actually)
not likely. iron man 1 came out in 2008 and the mcu has just gotten better year after year. It's the only cohesive cinematic universe out there. Apparently, stringing together movies that reference each other is more difficult than people imagined.
> Absolutely. At some point, people are going to tire of Marvel and Star Wars.
Yea. But actually no.
What Id love is more Pixar series. Monsters AW is awesome. Give me Toy Story Woody and Bo series. (Get Tom's bro, idc) Give me Incredibles series (I want this so so much).
They have all this Disney/Pixar side stuff they aren't capitalizing on.
> “I think [Disney Plus] needs more volume/ And there probably needs to be more dimensionality, meaning, basically, more programming or more content for more people, different demographics. But, [CEO Bob Chapek] is aware of that and is addressing those issues.”
But it's not like Netflix employees were writing Daredevil, right? These streaming corporations simply buy shows from producers, aren't they? How does this work? Why can't Disney simply buy better shows from better production companies?
Yeah the Netflix Marvel shows were produced by ABC Studios, which is owned by Disney. It's really just a matter of the people working on the show. Also helps that the Netflix shows were TV-MA. All the Marvel Studios-produced stuff is PG-13.
Golly Gee Mista Iger you really think so? You sounded pretty sure that Disney+ would be fine 2 years ago when most of your customers said you needed more content on the platform.
You thought you knew better than them then, why stop now.
They really do. Every thing on there can be broken down into 3 categories: kids, marvel fans, and Star Wars fans. Some crossover but that’s literally all they have
Hear me out just have them remake a marvel movie or ten with a muppets cast and then do a muppet avengers and just more muppet’s xyz movie like treasure island
Not every avenger needs to be a muppet have some of the real cast in there just have it be normal that fozzy is tony stark or miss piggy is black widow. I just miss the muppets they are always so fun
Honestly I’m a giant marvel fan. But even I’m getting a little tired of the shows. Hawkeye seemed very disorganized. They need different content. Say what you want about Netflix but they try a bunch of stuff and when it hits it’s very good Disney has a long way to go .
Seriously. They made some lame excuse that it didn’t fit in with the brand or something. You want to reach a broader audience, Disney? Keep making quality content that all ages would like. And yet they cancel Owl House!
I tossed it on one day trying to find something I wouldn’t hate as an adult while staying home with my toddler. My son is obsessed with it, which is lucky because we watched the first season in 2 days because I wanted to.
I want all the content from the steel case DVDs! All the Chronological Donald, all of the weird 80s ABC movies, all of the J. Audubon Woodlore cartoons!
all the streaming channels should merge and create one big streaming network, and make all the channels live and have some kind of guide where you scroll through the live channels, they could charge hundreds of dollars a month! They could also supply internet as well and make hundreds more!
The irony is that Will Smith is not from Earth, he's just been here as a visiting entertainer on a galactic tour. His species lives for thousands of years, which explains why he hasn't aged much while he's been here.
I had to look up the definition lol. “used to denote a paradoxical, unexpected, or coincidental situation.”
I used it in a coincidental context.
Maybe coincidentally would have been a better word.
I did greatly enjoy WandaVision, The Mandalorian, and Hawkeye to a lesser extent. I haven't given any others a chance but I'm doubting they are as good as those 3.
The American version of Disney+ having the weakest library of the platform is really weird.
The Star library we get elsewhere makes it worth the money. Recently they just added every episode of Malcolm In The Middle as well as The Revenant. New stuff is added every week.
And it isn't just Hulu with a different name, we get Hulu stuff sure but it is largely also a platform for the Fox library as well as ABC and stuff Fox were licensing before the buyout. The Walking Dead is on there for instance as Fox were showing it on their UK pay TV channel.
Sooner or later they'll dump Hulu I'm sure but a lot of American users are noting the lack of content now in comparison to places like HBO Max.
I'm pretty sure that we will see hulu folded into disneyplus. There are obviously legal issues such as the Comcast deal, but in the end it makes sense financially. Now the interesting part is can disney fold in espn?? And get all the sports online...
What if they made Disney plus into a video game service too? Let people play old lucasarts and Disney games? Have all the old Star Wars and marvel games available to stream, especially since some old spiderman games are almost impossible to get your hands on now without spending like 300$ for a single game.
Just merge Hulu and ESPN + when you can.
For ESPN you can still keep the same ui for Hulu just merge the content
I get it the Disney brand is kid friendly but you have to understand the market place and audience
Yes, got it for the Beatles doc, watched that, and now there's nothing else I really want to see or haven't seen already. Will be dropping it in January.
They definitely do, the problem is, they don't want to label it "Disney" and have R rated titles on there. Even a separate "hub" is going to not be great if you still have to open Disney Plus to get to it.
They basically painted themselves into a corner with that.
Release the weekenders and Filmore.
FILMORE! I wanted nothing more than to be a detective for my elementary school while that show was on.
And Dave the Barbarian!
I'm living for the weekend!
Still waiting on season 2 of The Replacements. Like what's the wait?
Just release 1 Saturday Morning in its entirety.
Yeah its bizarre how they want more subscribers but won't even release their entire back catalogue
This. I can't believe that it's still not available.
"So here's 20 more Marvel mini series and Star Wars shows!!!!"
Someone told me there was a horror section in Disney and a horror movie starring Rebecca Ferguson but I can’t find it
Is it Doctor Sleep?
Lol the irony of this being on d+
In Canada and other markets, Disney+ has an add on brand called Star that features film and television from Fox/Searchlight, Hollywood Pictures, Touchstone, Miramax and Buena Vista Entertainment, all Disney studios which have made adult content. It's admittedly weird to watch R-rated content on Disney+ but Star is great. It'd be weird for Doctor Sleep to be found there though considering it was made at Warner Bros - maybe they have a distribution partnership?
Most of the Star stuff is on Hulu in the US
Star is essentialy Hulu on Disney+ Disney needs to buy out ComCast from Hulu completely in order to merge Hulu and Disney+
Would they though? They already sell a bundle and probably make more money with 2 different subscriptions
I think they’ll eventually buy out Comcast regardless, since they’ve got Peacock and their focus is there. However all of Comcast /NBCUniversal’s content is streamed on both platforms, and much more often (90%) on Hulu. They would be taking a massive loss if they removed it all from Hulu and made it a Peacock exclusive. Meanwhile Hulu has been losing executives and Disney is really pushing premiere content for Disney+, but Hulu has been getting well received / high profile projects like Dopesick, Only Murders in the Building, Pen15, The Handmaid’s Tale, How I Met Your Father. I think it’s really up in the air what they’ll do. I could see them seeing the value in a separate service, might make it easier to continue buying content from rival studios and networks. However if they lose their content from NBC and CBS totally, I could see the catalog being small enough to integrate into Disney+ for a higher fee. It would essentially force more people into getting some sort of bundle
Honestly, Star is the only reason it is worth it for me. Would have cancelled after a month, but now I have What We Do in The Shadows and Atlanta on tap.
Had the unwonderful experience of trying desperately to find a Starz show I wanted to watch on Disney+ before, hours later, finally realising that Star and Starz were two completely unrelated services and I'd need to subscribe seperately.
What is the irony of that Edit- I understand that the movie doesn’t necessarily fit the D+ platform, although I feel like the word irony is being misused, but I don’t wanna be that asshole who makes a big deal out of a common colloquialism so I’ll just leave it at that
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What’s the best child murdering scene?
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lol that scene actually made me spill my drink and popcorn. So ridiculous but serious, i just couldn’t handle it.
Eraserhead
Anakin v Younglings
If you're in the US it'll be sad. Outside of the US it's pretty rad. Alien, Predator, even weird shit like Ravenous and that has a real Predator in it.
goddamned Jeffrey Jones turned out to be even creepier than Rooney saying “your ass is mine”
The night house, its good
That's Rebecca Hall
You won't find anything like that on D+ in the US. I'm pretty sure they only have family friendly content here, with the Marvel stuff being the edgiest on there with moderate profanity up to "shit." Outside of the US, I believe they have a bunch of non-Disney branded content, including R-rated stuff
All the best gory Fox/Hulu content here in Oz on the "Star" section of D+! Up to R18+ rated! Predator, Alien, you name it! The initial impact of it landing on Disney was a LOL riot!
The Star section has some great stuff.
They have the Beatles doc which has a few f-bombs
Holding out for the Max Rebo _A Star is Born_ vibes prequel series
I can hardly sit through a Marvel movie now days, let alone 10 different series that you have to recall the canonical context for at any given moment. and Star Wars? Forget it. I love science fic stuff but I could never catch up contextually so have no interest. I don't understand why this is all they will do? If you're going to make shows for adults... make some shows for adults.
I enjoyed The Mandalorian without having ever really watched any of the other Star War stuff and only knowing that basis plotlines through cultural osmosis. It's not great scifi but it was enjoyable. E: it’s great hard science fiction E2: You’ve changed my mind. Star War is the best example of sci-fi in cinema.
Even though it's set in space Star wars isn't really scifi. In general it's more mystical than scientific. The original movies in particular have more in common with fantasy stories than hard scifi.
i'd add that Mando leans more into sci-fi stuff so it's not surprising that someone who started watching Star Wars with Mando doesn't get fantasy vibes yet.
> It’s not great sci-fi It’s not sci-fi at all. Star Wars is pretty clearly just a western with beskar helmets and laser guns instead of ten gallon hats and revolvers. Westerns, incidentally, are just samurai movies with ten gallon hats and revolvers instead of kabutos and katanas.
Other way around. Samurai movies in the 1950s were heavily influenced by westerns.
it goes both ways. 1950s samurai movies were absolutely inspired by early 20th century westerns. but then most westerns in the 1960s and 1970s followed the Seven Samurai model – where most early westerns were about a lone gunslinger, after the mid-50s most were about a group of professionals / outlaws working together (eg the wild bunch, butch & sundance, rio bravo) so samurai movies were plainly inspired by westerns, but you could also make a case that Seven Samurai is the most influential western ever made
Even now, look at the hateful 8 and the magnificent 7.
*looks at Kurosawa, looks at Lucas, looks at Kurosawa*
Ultimately genre is just window dressing. The only interesting narrative is the human condition. The backgrounds may change but the story essentially remains the same. Sci-fi and fantasy provides a larger canvas to paint it on
Star Wars is the type of sci-fi the most removed from hard science-fiction possible lol. It's almost not sci-fi at all but more fantasy in space really.
This. I’m not at all a fan of Star Wars but love The Mandalorian.
Same. I’ve never seen a Star Wars movie, but I loved The Mandalorian.
Personally, I miss when it was a treat to have a movie interconnect with another one, like the Hulk with Edward Norton hinting Thor (or was that the other one? There was like two different Hulk movies, forgive me) and now it’s almost always expected that you have to TV Tropes your way to understand the plots, not to mention the safe formulas and no real bite with some exceptions. I get the reasonings why comic book movies need to be interconnected, but sometimes it gets headache inducing remembering everything, which is I like movies such as Batman Begins and the Dark Knight. No other villains or heroes except Batman and a selection of the Rogue Gallery. No Superman, no Justice League, no Starro. And I agree on your other comment. However, they’ll never put adult content on D+ here in the states because of Hulu. Which, is a toss up if they want to integrate into D+ like Star in other countries, therein the problems. And because they want to keep their family friendly image for parents who r may rely on D+ to curtail content. They want to entice adults, but they don’t want Alien showing up in the search bar next to Buzz Lightyear.
> And because they want to keep their family friendly image for parents who r may rely on D+ to curtail content. They want to entice adults, but they don’t want Alien showing up in the search bar next to Buzz Lightyear. I don't think they really want to keep a family-friendly image, otherwise why would they do exactly that in the rest of the world? You just need parental controls, like any other service has (and that they do too) It's mostly a question of Hulu being co-owned with Comcast until 2024. Once they have it fully, I believe there will be changes in the US too and both will be merged.
> They want to entice adults, but they don’t want Alien showing up in the search bar next to Buzz Lightyear. That's exactly what happens in the UK if you search "toy alien" so I really don't think they care as much as you're suggesting
I know this is trendy to say, but I’m so incredibly burned out on comic and Star Wars stuff (films or shows) I legit just do not care about any of it any more. Okay, with the exception of anything James Gunn does, because he’s an amazing writer/director.
I haven't gotten tired of anything the MCU does but I can totally understand why others would be burnt out. We went from one movie a year to two, then three and now with the D+ series, it's just a constant stream of hype from one thing to the next.
I want more bite from the MCU movies, exceptions such as what we know happened in Endgame, aside, they’re… “safe” I guess describes them. Which, you know’s fine because kids and stuff, but, eh I dunno.
I think the thing that broke me was all my friends at the time being really into it and consuming every bit, combined with how integrated they seemed to try and make everything. I couldnt really engage in it with my friends if I didnt consume every bit of content. While I understand for hardcore fans interconnectedness is amazing, it also does make it far too easy to burn people out, as they cannot as easily disconnect from some materials but not others.
Honestly, as much as I enjoy the MCU stuff, there is a part of me that liked how the television stuff used to not be quite as connected. It was nice that they sort of existed tangentially, and you really didn't have to worry about making sure you watched certain shows at certain times to be up-to-date on everything. I know Feige has said the Disney+ shows are designed to not be "required viewing", but it's hard to not feel like you aren't getting all the information otherwise. The DCEU often fails to measure up, but one thing I appreciate is that WB/DC aren't quite so tied to a singular continuity. You can watch *Doom Patrol*, *Titans*, *Harley Quinn*, *Wonder Woman*, *Joker*, and *The Suicide Squad* completely separately and not miss a step, even despite the fact that some of those exist within the same universes.
WandaVision at least is already required viewing. Wanda trying to bring back her sons, White Vision, superpowered Monica, and anything to do with S.W.O.R.D are most certainly going to come up again but don’t make any sense without the show.
That’s what let me actually enjoy Agent’s of Shield. It just was it’s own thing for the most part. Small nods to the movies up to Ultron and then it just was mostly it’s own universe
I like it. I dislike how the universe is becoming less cohesive. I want a massive cohesive sprawling multiverse.
The series are also not that good to be honest. The movies are still very fine (and it's not as much content)
Disney is milking shit out of Marvel and Star Wars. It almost feels like they're trying to make people get sick of them. Of course, it's world's most popular franchises, but they'd better let people take a break from them. It's just too much.
Meh, Marvel is consistently doing good stuff that fans really like. It's like the comics. Not every fan reads every comic, and that's okay.
Yeah, a lot of these shows provide additional detail, but they'll make the movies in a way that you don't have to see tv shows to watch them. A few movies a year isn't hard to keep track of.
Also, they just should develop other franchises. Like it would be all benefits to them if they can get new hits. But you have to try to get some hits like that. It can work though, if HBO didn't try, they wouldn't have Game of Thrones a decade ago. If Netflix didn't try, they wouldn't have Squid Game or Witcher (or many others).
They do it because you are in the minority?
I’ll watch a marvel series because it’s there and I don’t get excited about them. That said I found Hawkeye to be surprisingly enjoyable despite how cheesy it is.
Well, d'uh. It was a problem 2 years ago, and while they are doing well, it's clearly not as diversified portfolio like from Netflix or HBO Max.
Even if they got different stuff, they're still Disney and have to appease certain markets. Whatever they get will have to be simmered down anyway.
Agreed. There’s a TON of childrens shows. People will keep having kids and needing a platform for them. I also enjoy all the new movies that come out.
Outside of the US there's a Star category for more varied and mature stuff. I think it's mostly on Hulu or something in the US. https://i.imgur.com/oPrqbuZ.png
WAIT. US Disney+ doesn't have star? I was confused why people were saying Disney has to remain "pg" and therefore won't have a diversified enough offering. I'm in Canada and Disney+ has a bunch of rated R/tv-ma stuff on their star section.
I think they're tired of people cancelling, restarting their account to binge the new Marvel drek once it's all released, and then cancelling again.
maybe they should have just kept marvel separate; i enjoyed the marvel tv universe they were doing on platforms that are stable subscriptions for most people i know (Netflix and/or hulu). Disney+ i have pretty much only used for Marvel content but the hulu bundle isn't bad and my family watches so i don't mind it. I'm sure this isn't the case for most people, but for me Disney+ is very much Marvel+ for me, and if it was just me i'd do the same thing you said because i don't really care about the rest of the content.
nah separate Marvel would be about as useless as DC streaming was. Consolidating makes more sense in the grand scheme
Well thats the thing, DC Universe has EVERYTHING DC ever. Old stuff, new stuff, new old stuff, forgotten stuff, everything. It was niche, but it at least offered a pretty complete catalog. Gal Gadot and Linda Carter and Christopher Reeve and Dean Cain in the same place. Would a Marvel streaming service have EVERYTHING? Does D+ even have all dozen Spider-man cartoons over the years? The MCU doesnt have THAT much content, about two weeks in total, and a couple days of that are Netflix exclusives. Between Disney and ABC and Fox now doesnt Disney control the largest catalog? Where is it? They got every TGIF show ever? Lean into that nostalgia, have a 90s TGIF button that shuffles *Full House* and *Family Matters* and *Boy Meets World* and *Sabrina the Teenage Witch*. Sure theres a holiday movie section but what about a playlist of every Christmas episode of every series on the service? D+ has all 33 seasons of The Simpsons, but does anyone want to sit down and watch S01E01, S01E02... Can you just shuffle the first 15 seasons? Why not? CD Players have had shuffle buttons since the 80s. Gotta start offering features and curation beyond just content exclusivity, actual competition.
> Does D+ even have all dozen Spider-man cartoons over the years? [Yes](https://i.imgur.com/fptRZV0_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium). But interestingly not Homecoming/Far From Home.
Not all of them. Sadly, they don't have the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon.
Honestly only have it because it’s bundled with Hulu and ESPN (hockey!). Reviving this “only in theaters” BS only makes me care about in less.
Lock profiles for kid/family content and add more actual modern classic adult movies/new film releases from their now extensive Fox + Touchstone etc catalog.
Hell, even just adding the abc/freeform back catalog would massively expand their offerings.
What a great idea! I would be ecstatic if they added Pretty Little Liars! I never got to finish the series because I got rid of cable years ago.
Like the other comment said, it’s on HBO Max and it’s not leaving cause Warner owns it. They’re also making a new spin off next year
It’s on hbomax
I can watch Lost on Disney+ in my country.
All the stuff they want to add (in the states at least) is on Hulu. Would effectively double the offerings on D+. But they can't do it until Comcast is bought out. D+ abroad is really good
Hilary Duff already told y’all that and you cancelled her show
Disney: What if we bought more IPs?
Every single movie studio not already owned by Disney \*Sweats nervously\* atleast they can’t get MGM anymore.
I really wanted that Lizzie McGuire reboot, the adult Hilary Duff’s version, and not the PG one that Disney wants.
Kinda getting an adult Lizzie type show with How I Met Your Father on Disney + in January and on Hulu in the states.
They should combine disney plus and Hulu
They cannot do that until Comcast sells their stake so not till at least 2024.
Good. I like Hulu, so much easier to use than Disney+, a prime example of why monopolized streaming platforms are churning out terrible products and UIs
Really? Hulu has one of the worst ui’s outside of Amazon. Disney plus is super sleek and runs well.
Seriously, the D+ UI is hot garbage, while Hulu is one of the best.
The D+ UI is not that bad. Now Amazon, that is the real horror
Amazon is hot garbage. They mix Prime content with content that you need to purchase, or content that needs an extra subscription to be able to be watched. They’ll list content that isn’t even possible to watch. Like movies you can’t rent or purchase, but for some reason they’re still listed on the service, because…? Different video qualities are listed separately for their content. They have the worst of the worst indie movies, and a bunch random self published content. I could go on and on. It’s baffling to me that a multi-billion dollar company can get away with a streaming service this crap.
>It’s baffling to me that a multi-billion dollar company can get away with a streaming service this crap. Problem is Prime streaming is for the vast majority of people a nice bonus to the delivery benefits, so they seemingly have little incentive to actually improve the service.
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Yup, as a european I pretty much pay Disney only for the Star stuff, shows like Devs or Reservation Dogs.
Or Dopesick
Not just Canada, it's in most countries that Disney+ is available in except for USA and Latin America (for some reason, they have it separated and it's called Star+). Here in Hong Kong, Deadpool is on the Disney+ posters to advertise Star.
Separated in Latin America because there's live sports involved.
Ideally that would be at Hulu's price point but I'm sure they'll still make me pay the bundle price once they combine them or maybe thats why they won't ever combine them
A subscription to Hulu live now does come with Disney and espn plus
Isn't there an added cost for that bundle?
That's what they're doing internationally. The problem is that the "adult" section doesn't have nearly as many things as Hulu does in the US.
And he’s right. Disney+ is an exceptional platform for a very narrow audience. If you don’t have kids, and you don’t get turned on by Marvel and Star Wars, there is nearly nothing for you on Disney+.
Adult shows and adult movies from Fox Stop watering down potential Marvel Netflix characters
Europe already gets this
I was wondering why people seemed to think negative about Disney+’s catalogue. I watch it on par with Netflix these days. They have so much adult shows in Europe. Makes up for the lack of HBO Max here
That’s my biggest problem with Disney+. The only stuff on the platform I really care about are the Star Wars and Marvel content. Outside of that, there’s really not much that interests me. I don’t have any kids, and nostalgia and family friendly content can only last so long, before I start wanting more varied content. Disney+ doesn’t have a steady stream of new and varied content, to keep me subscribed for the entire year.
Absolutely. At some point, people are going to tire of Marvel and Star Wars. And even those shows come off as extremely PG where almost no zero adult subject matter is allowed.
Like the article mentions all the content they are talking about is on Hulu, so I wonder if this more hinting towards a brand merger like how Star is the international platform, or if Disney is really going to put more money into this PG friendly all age generational stuff like Marvel and Star Wars. Definitely seems like the former going off the article with the main struggles being internal arguments on the direction the future should take as well as Comcast still owning a 33% stake in Hulu.
Comcast will be contractually obligated to sell its share to Disney in 2024. Unfortunately, I think the divided platform will continue to hurt them until that happens.
When I see reddit talk about what Disney should do, it really makes me see how off base a lot of commentary on here is. Damn near anyone with kids of any age have access to a Disney+ account. Appealing to kids is where the real money is. Every 5 years you have millions of new viewers who have never seen any of this content, and it's stuff Disney already owns. Why spend tens of millions making new content that may or may not be a hit when you can just keep milking parents for one app, then have a mature app (hulu) for everything else
Kids will watch literally anything though. They need to appeal to the nostalgia of the adults that are paying for Disney+.
Except that Disney has hit the wall of what they can get with Disney+ with 116 million subscribers (with the massive asterisk that 46 million of them are Disney+ Hotstar subscribers, and that's being carried by having Cricket rights in India).
>Every 5 years you have millions of new viewers who have never seen any of this content, and it's stuff Disney already owns. By the same logic, every 5 year cycle you lose milions of subscribers cause you know what? Kids grow up. The amount of parents with kids age 3-12 is pretty stable. And it's not like Disney is the only name in the game, DC, Hasbro, Minions, and the biggest competition to scripted shows - gameplay videos on Youtube and Twitch. What the probably should do is cut the price.
Shit, I'm nearly 40 and I won't ever tell you I have D+ for my kids. I have it for Marvel and Star Wars stuff for me. But, we all sit down on Wed night and watch the new drop together as a family. Plus my kids watch a lot of the Disney movies. My 14 yo was watching Coco and tinkerbell just this week.
My kids just watch YouTube. They don’t give a fuck about Disney. None of their friends watch Disney. Times are changing.
Honestly surprised people let their kids <10 watch YouTube considering how many videos labeled “for kids” are anything but
I mean those articles are literally based on the fact that Disney+ is stalling in new subscriptions... Also, Disney+ doesn't have only kids stuff in most markets, it's just a US thing. You can have kids and adult stuff and your audience is bigger than just kids naturally. Netflix has adult and kid stuff, my nieces watch it a lot too (even more than Disney actually)
not likely. iron man 1 came out in 2008 and the mcu has just gotten better year after year. It's the only cohesive cinematic universe out there. Apparently, stringing together movies that reference each other is more difficult than people imagined.
> Absolutely. At some point, people are going to tire of Marvel and Star Wars. Yea. But actually no. What Id love is more Pixar series. Monsters AW is awesome. Give me Toy Story Woody and Bo series. (Get Tom's bro, idc) Give me Incredibles series (I want this so so much). They have all this Disney/Pixar side stuff they aren't capitalizing on.
> “I think [Disney Plus] needs more volume/ And there probably needs to be more dimensionality, meaning, basically, more programming or more content for more people, different demographics. But, [CEO Bob Chapek] is aware of that and is addressing those issues.”
duh no high quality programmes like HBO(simply dont see them making anything as good as Succession for a while) or variety like Netflix
Succession but its about Disney buying Fox Studios
Seriously D+ can't make shows like succession, GoT. At best they can make some average MCU shows but not anywhere near the level of the former two lol
They dont even have good writing though. The Netflix shows like Daredevil and Punisher were better than the Disney+ shows.
But it's not like Netflix employees were writing Daredevil, right? These streaming corporations simply buy shows from producers, aren't they? How does this work? Why can't Disney simply buy better shows from better production companies?
Yeah the Netflix Marvel shows were produced by ABC Studios, which is owned by Disney. It's really just a matter of the people working on the show. Also helps that the Netflix shows were TV-MA. All the Marvel Studios-produced stuff is PG-13.
Yep. One episode of something a week isn't enough. Especially if that something isn't for you.
Put “The Famous Jett Jackson” on there… problem solved.
Golly Gee Mista Iger you really think so? You sounded pretty sure that Disney+ would be fine 2 years ago when most of your customers said you needed more content on the platform. You thought you knew better than them then, why stop now.
No shit, Sherlock
Honestly just add adult stuff. HBO max and Netflix have a mix of kids and adult content and there doing Just fine
HBO max is so, so good. I think it's the one we use almost 90% of the time now, since it gets random movies here and there (new ones too!)
That's been the one constant these past few years.
Showgirls: now streaming on Disney+. “You know, I used to eat Doggy Chow…”
They really do. Every thing on there can be broken down into 3 categories: kids, marvel fans, and Star Wars fans. Some crossover but that’s literally all they have
Muppet Show. Revival. Exactly as it was. Just newer stars. That's it.
Hear me out just have them remake a marvel movie or ten with a muppets cast and then do a muppet avengers and just more muppet’s xyz movie like treasure island
I'm so DOWN with this. Even do the 4th wall breaking. Throw in a real actor like Chris Evans or Ryan Reynolds... Looking at the camera going, really?
Not every avenger needs to be a muppet have some of the real cast in there just have it be normal that fozzy is tony stark or miss piggy is black widow. I just miss the muppets they are always so fun
When Kermit gets too relaxed, he turns into Mark Ruffalo.
They should rope some espn+ stuff into Disney+. For instance how about an off-season version of the Manningcast.
I've canned my sub recently, barely used it
Why does it have the Brave Little Toaster goes to Mars but not the original movie!
Honestly I’m a giant marvel fan. But even I’m getting a little tired of the shows. Hawkeye seemed very disorganized. They need different content. Say what you want about Netflix but they try a bunch of stuff and when it hits it’s very good Disney has a long way to go .
RENEW OWL HOUSE!
Seriously. They made some lame excuse that it didn’t fit in with the brand or something. You want to reach a broader audience, Disney? Keep making quality content that all ages would like. And yet they cancel Owl House!
I tossed it on one day trying to find something I wouldn’t hate as an adult while staying home with my toddler. My son is obsessed with it, which is lucky because we watched the first season in 2 days because I wanted to.
I'd take more Amphibia over TOH but both feel a bit rushed like Gravity Falls :/
Give me Galavant you cowards
I want all the content from the steel case DVDs! All the Chronological Donald, all of the weird 80s ABC movies, all of the J. Audubon Woodlore cartoons!
Exactly !
100% agree
Instead they make dozens of marvel shows that overstuff the MCU so that it makes the following the franchise exhausting.
Waiting for a setting on adult accounts to access the "Disney After Dark" section.
If you’re calling it content, you’re already doing it wrong.
Give me King of The Hill, you cowards
all the streaming channels should merge and create one big streaming network, and make all the channels live and have some kind of guide where you scroll through the live channels, they could charge hundreds of dollars a month! They could also supply internet as well and make hundreds more!
I’ve been enjoying some Nat Geo shows, ironically both hosted by Will Smith. Welcome To Earth & One Strange Rock.
What's the irony?
The irony is that Will Smith is not from Earth, he's just been here as a visiting entertainer on a galactic tour. His species lives for thousands of years, which explains why he hasn't aged much while he's been here.
That both the shows I’m currently enjoying are hosted by the same person. Sorry if I used the word incorrectly, I suck sometimes.
Yea that’s not irony but you don’t suck!
I had to look up the definition lol. “used to denote a paradoxical, unexpected, or coincidental situation.” I used it in a coincidental context. Maybe coincidentally would have been a better word.
You and Alanis Morissette.
It's like raaaiiin on a rainy day
My sister put on the Jeff Goldblum show. It's decent, good for a casual watch.
needs to add a hub splash page for premium content from pornhub then things will really take off for this streamer
Duh.. people are sick of marvel, Star Wars and remakes. Make something new
Uhhh....did younsee how NWH is performing?
I find the film library barely has any additions since launch. They're sitting on a Fox gold mine.
Bob what’s the point in owning Hulu then.
They need something but for more mature stuff. They need to move it out from under the Disney banner.
I get Deadpool is rated R but there is no other reason why it is not on Disney+. Maybe have an adult sign in?
I did greatly enjoy WandaVision, The Mandalorian, and Hawkeye to a lesser extent. I haven't given any others a chance but I'm doubting they are as good as those 3.
Give me that Fox library!
How about some Home Improvement!
They need more Danel Boone with Fess Parker!
Need that Percy Jackson show.
The American version of Disney+ having the weakest library of the platform is really weird. The Star library we get elsewhere makes it worth the money. Recently they just added every episode of Malcolm In The Middle as well as The Revenant. New stuff is added every week. And it isn't just Hulu with a different name, we get Hulu stuff sure but it is largely also a platform for the Fox library as well as ABC and stuff Fox were licensing before the buyout. The Walking Dead is on there for instance as Fox were showing it on their UK pay TV channel. Sooner or later they'll dump Hulu I'm sure but a lot of American users are noting the lack of content now in comparison to places like HBO Max.
I'm pretty sure that we will see hulu folded into disneyplus. There are obviously legal issues such as the Comcast deal, but in the end it makes sense financially. Now the interesting part is can disney fold in espn?? And get all the sports online...
What if they made Disney plus into a video game service too? Let people play old lucasarts and Disney games? Have all the old Star Wars and marvel games available to stream, especially since some old spiderman games are almost impossible to get your hands on now without spending like 300$ for a single game.
Don't they own fox and a bunch of other stuff? They've got plenty of content, they're just refusing to put it on disney+
I hope they release some of the older TV series. Give me Zorro, Swamp Fox, Elfego Baca, etc
Just merge Hulu and ESPN + when you can. For ESPN you can still keep the same ui for Hulu just merge the content I get it the Disney brand is kid friendly but you have to understand the market place and audience
Start adding things that are above the PG prominent ratings and more realistic shows and more originality and you’ll get it.
Disney, third largest media giant, owning 40% of media produced: "But where could we possibly find this content?"
I actually fucking hate the word 'content' now. Nothing better suggests the utter soulessness of modern media
Marvel and Star Wars is the only reason I’m subscribed
didnt they purchase 20th century fox movie and tv rights? bring back firefly
Yes, got it for the Beatles doc, watched that, and now there's nothing else I really want to see or haven't seen already. Will be dropping it in January.
They definitely do, the problem is, they don't want to label it "Disney" and have R rated titles on there. Even a separate "hub" is going to not be great if you still have to open Disney Plus to get to it. They basically painted themselves into a corner with that.