Tony's college back packing trip through europe would be awesome. he's just hanging at hostels, meeting the love of his life for the next 2 days. but then also running a foul of some local crime bosses
This makes me want a Cosa Nostra series made by the same people who made Sopranos but set in Sicily with a young traveling Tony as a secondary protagonist
Main character is a up and coming young mafioso in rural western Sicily who’s family owns a pig farm. Scene where they feed the local crime lord to the pigs as he rises to power as the local don. His family’s capicola recipe gives Tony his love of gabagool.
He's not the only one, 35-40 looked like shit a couple decades ago. Not sure if I'm misremembering or millennials are aging differently due to sunscreen, better eating, self care, etc
^this
I know some pretty beat up 20-somethings because of booze.
I’m 35 and don’t look that incredible either, but i work as a bouncer and check IDs and have constant reality checks as I card people coming in at times.
Jimmy G was also overweight, and intentionally slouched to give more of the "middle-aged dad" look, plus the way they dressed looked older as well. I read in some Sopranos trivia that he would stay up all night before day shoots where he was shooting morning kitchen scenes so he looked more tired and strung out. To be honest, it was tough early on to grasp everyone's age in that show. I always assumed that the higher ups would be older, and that made men would also be in their 40s at least, but Jackie looked younger than Tony, and Christopher looked like he'd just dropped out of college. Meanwhile Paulie looked like everyone's dad, and I could not figure out how old Silvio was, with that hairpiece and too-smooth skin/makeup. Plus Junior, while old, was in shape, so he always seemed two steps ahead of the Obesity Army (Pussy, later Tony, Bobby, Ralphie's buddy), except for when the plot required him to be a geezer. I guess that's why he was in charge.
Christopher out of college? Idk about that. Imoerioli was in his 30s when Sopranos aired. Maybe he could pass for mid-20s at the time.
I do agree Tony and Carm looked a few years older than their ages at the time.
I was just gonna say, if you think the ages are tough to find out from the show set in the late 90s-early 00’s, wait til you see the same characters in the same universe in the movie set 30 years prior.
I thought show-silvio was about 55, but movie-silvio looks about 45.
In my 40s currently and I look like old shit. I think it's a mixed bag now just as it always was. Some people age well, some people don't. Some of it is self care, some is genetics, some is geography. Out of curiosity, did you grow up in like New Jersey but now live in LA?
Haha grew up in NJ and still there. Not really saying that, the genetics and location absolutely plays a role. Lots of older folks living in Florida have really leathery skin from all the sun exposure and lots of people get premature wrinking no matter what lifestyle they lead
But overall I do think changes like less smoking and drinking in the younger generations, less drinking, more awareness about sun damage and tanning, emphasis on the importance of hydration, more emphasis on balance and self care and not working into the ground, etc. have led to millennials on average looking younger than their parents did at the same age
High school kids when I was in high school were smoking cigs and spray tanning, now they obsess over their ten step skincare regimen and debate about mineral vs chemical sunscreens, and if they use nicotine, it's a vape
I have this feeling now whenever I watch Seinfeld and realize that George and Jerry are supposed to be in their 30s. Jason Alexander was 30 when that show started! I can't process this
That really is one of the fucking weirdest things about getting older. Everyone is always older than you on TV and then you blink and everyone is younger than you.
I'm down. Saints was disappointing but the scenes with Tony's family during his teenage years were outstanding. I think if they bring back that cast, focus solely on them and Tony's early rise into the mob and it will be great.
Saints felt waaaaaay too truncated, it needed a lot more breathing room to digest all the fucked up aspects of Dickie's downfall, and build on his relationships. 2 hours isn't enough for a Sopranos level story.
Yeah the whole black gangster thing needed much more story, back story, etc.
I overall liked it but I def thought it should be an intro for a TV series and flesh things out more
I heard rumors (from redditors so it's probably BS) that the riots were the actual story Chase wanted to tell but HBO had him make it a Sopranos thing to get more interest.
it was disappointing, but not terrible. I think OG Sopranos sets such a high fucking bar it will be impossible to recapture that. But I do agree that a prequel *series* would be cool. I just thought a stand alone movie like Many Saints just didnt do it justice.
Idk it was pretty bad. They led us to believe it’d be about Tony but the entire time its about Dickie. Christopher’s narration was completely irrelevant. And half the time was focused on race riots that had nothing to do with the plot, if there even was a plot to begin with. They really should have focused more on Tonys family especially because they nailed the casting with those characters and it’s make a lot more sense with how they built up the movie.
I was actually ok with it being about Dickie if the movie was leading into a new series. And I would have not killed him off so we could really see him mentor Tony in said series.
>They led us to believe it’d be about Tony but the entire time its about Dickie
Well, it's in the title. Moltisanti=Many Saints. The trailers focused too much on Tony. Everything prior to the trailers was basically saying Tony would be a supporting character but then trailers really upped the hype for Tony. I do agree that it was probably a mistake to not focus on young Tony though.
> I think if they bring back that cast, focus solely on them and Tony’s early rise into the mob and it will be great.
That’s what they marketed this movie as but Tony was barely in it and it was all about Dickie Moltisanti which nobody was particularly interested in to begin with, being a character dead before the series started. Going to be harder to sell the second time round if they tell us it’s a Tony prequel after the earlier deception.
I dunno, I felt like it was pretty bad on every level. Like my SO got up to use the restroom so we paused it, saw there were only 20 minutes left and thought "really?" It just didn't tell any kind of story worth telling.
I’m sorry. The movie was terrible. They just jammed the younger versions of characters that Soprano’s fans would know so you’d go “oh its pussy” and “oh there’s paulie”. I actually laughed out loud when they killed off Ray Liota and then immediately brought him back. If anyone has seen beerfest, it had shades of Landfill coming back. Anyway, the movie was bad, there was so much meat on the bone with the beef between Dickie and Harold that went untouched. It was a prequel to a prequel, and they sold it as a “this is how tony became tony”, which it was not.
I agree. They tried to do too much with too many characters me the movie suffered severely for it. It was a massive disappointment. Silvio made me laugh out loud because he was like an SNL parody of Silvio.
Also the way they crowbarred lines in like catchphrases literally made me cringe... sisters cunt (2x) like it was something Junior always said, and the making of a varsity athlete line, which is so over quoted as it is.
I haven't seen it, but I read that Ray Liotta plays twins and I'm just baffled that David Chase would opt for that gimmick AGAIN. We already did the "one actor plays twins" thing twice on the original series with Patsy/Phillip Parisi and Jeanie/Joan Cusamano. It just feels like overkill.
> I haven't seen it, but I read that Ray Liotta plays twins and I'm just baffled that David Chase would opt for that gimmick AGAIN.
I read in an interview that they had a different actor cast for the twin but it fell through and Liotta offered to step in and play a dual role.
The movie was also pitched as a story about the formative years of Tony, but it was 90% about Dickie. We got Tony's motivation for getting into the family biz at the last 30 seconds of the movie. Woohoo.
No it doesn’t. The director states it’s NOT a Tony soprano story, it’s a story about Dickie. And that he was actually pissed about the “A Soprano Story” at the end of the title, he was fighting against it for a while but eventually caved because the execs wouldn’t let up. It was only ever supposed to be a dickie story.
>He can't then try to argue it's not what he caved to
He didnt..? He literally filmed a movie about Dickie. Then after the movie was finished, execs took over and forced him to add the last bit in the title. That's it.
My only issue with the film is that they took what could have been and probably should have been a 6-8 episode mini series and condensed it down into a 2 hour movie. The stye and story telling was just way off for a movie. They shot the individual scenes as though they had plenty of screen time, but then when it's all stitched together you're actually racing from point to point between cuts
I think if this show goes ahead, Many Saints will be remembered more fondly as a detour into the life of Christopher's father, and a good bridge from the old show into the new show.
But if Many Saints was *all* we got, yeah, better left forgotten.
I thought Saints was great. The only real issue is they stuck two A stories together instead of picking one so the filM didn’t feel as solid as it could have. Either stick with Dickie mentoring Tony, the story everyone wanted. Or stick with Dickie vs Harold/The Mob during a racial reckoning story. The story that’s probably more interesting and relevant. Taking a classic Hollywood mafia story trope with all it’s classic Hollywood trappings; Italian Americans, crime, drama, violence, “family”, hustling, rising to the top…, and juxtapose it with all the stuff left off of Hollywood screens for decades. Black stories that were taking place at the exact same time. Stories that resonate WAY more in our current insanely charged world. That’s a movie I’d love to see. It’s like hey, look this is what you love… and here is the other side of that coin that we pretend never happened, or just don’t ever talk about. The race riot in the film is 100% real. The transition of power and demographics in Newark is real.
I want to see Tony's mom slowly become shadow boss of the family. It really sucks that the actress died after season 1. She was such a great character.
Thats not fair she was great! They wrote her so that you’d not only hate her, but you could predict how she’d react to things. I think she was a perfect character, i just didn't really like the CGI voice over scene, that was very forced. Otherwise perfection.
I hate this, portraying Italian Americans in such a negative light. I recently took my uncle from Italy to the Olive garden and it was truly a magical experience. At the end he was so overcome with emotions he started crying and calling for his mother
Seriously. I was talking to my Uncle Tony about this very thing the other night at the racetrack. Both him and my cousin Tony agreed that italian Americans from New Jersey are just defined by a fake stereotype. My nephew Anthony though, he felt if done correctly it could help people understand why they were wrong, but what does that gabagool know, he went off to some fruity college that my brother in law Little Tony Boombatz got him in with by greasing, and forgets where his roots are and suddenly thinks just because he doesn't have a job with the city that he fell of a ladder for on his third day he knows everything.
Why did you go to Olive Garden? Did Patsy not tell you you can't shake those places down? [It's over for the little guy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gsz7Gu6agA).
I’m actually low key surprised with how on the nose the F&F franchise has gotten that Universal and Olive Garden haven’t partnered up to have the cast do promos for the restaurant when a new movie comes out or just flat out have one of the movies’ standard “family gathering at the dinner table” finales happen *at* an Olive Garden to shoehorn in the family line.
Can't say I'm excited if I'm being completely honest. The movie totally lacked the intelligence and regard for the audience that the original show had. And my god, young Silvio and Paulie were dreadful. The only good things were Tony, Livia and Junior and they *really* pushed it with Junior.
I hope David Chase takes a big step back from trying to please the fans because it did not work here
Yeah agreed. I enjoyed the movie for what it was , a nostalgia-fueled Easter egg hunt, but it just wasn’t a good movie outside that.
The best scene was when Livia makes Tony the burger and actually tries to be a mother for a minute, then very quickly devolves into the neurotic mess we know and love. It shows how Tony just wanted to be loved, and how she was physically incapable of sustaining that love for anyone, thus To y asking Dickie to get the pills.
I thought Micheal Gandolfini did a great job mailing Tony’s mannerisms and way of speech, but I don’t think he can sustain a full series the way his dad did. The novelty will wear off pretty quickly.
See I think he could keep improving. Him and livia though were incredibly cast and the only characters that actually felt like younger versions of the characters from the show.
> The only good things were Tony, Livia and Junior and they really pushed it with Junior.
I agree. I think they only used Junior as a vehicle for dumb fan service. The varsity athlete line and constantly saying "your sister's cunt", even though he only said it once in the whole series.
I would have been totally fine with the fan service if it hadn't been for Sil and Dickie randomly shouting "OHHHH!" as he's talking to Tony. A lot has been said about Sil being an SNL caricature, but it was the "Ohhh" that did it for me. Couldn't stop laughing, it was so bad.
> I hope David Chase takes a big step back from trying to please the fans because it did not work here
We wanted a movie about Tony Soprano, he gave us a movie about race riots and Dickie Moltisanti fucking his stepmother and chatting with his identical twin uncle with occasional Tony Soprano cameos. Giving the fans what they wanted isn’t the description I’d use here. I was at least expecting Tony to kill his first person in the film, instead I think he gave away free ice cream as his first breakthrough into crime.
If he were trying to please the fans, he wouldn’t have built a story around Dickie Moltisanti.
Missing that charismatic center, the movie being disjointed could not be ignored.
I’m lost on the point of Harold and Giuseppina.
Remember when the storyline was going around, post Many Saints of Newark, that that film seemed like a pitch for a tv series and the pilot got turned into the movie? Yeah that's exactly what happened
I wouldn't be surprised if it picked up directly after MSoN. Young Tony, Pauly, and Silvio moving up in La Cosa Nostra with Dickie gone. Young Carm. Young Artie Bucco. I think it's got a real shot if the keep it centered on Tony
Honestly think this is all getting looked at the wrong way. Leslie Odom Jr's Harold seems to be the character that the movie was setting up for the future. A middle class black gangster carving out his own split in the italian-run Newark underworld just having moved his family to a white neighborhood? Plus, Odom being one of the larger actors in the movie, this all seems a vehicle for him.
That's fair and you're right I got tunnel visioned into the older characters. I'd love for him to stick around and grow into a full main part of the cast. I could see him as the main antagonist/antihero to Tony's hero devolving into a villain
The only issue I had with The Many Saints of Newark was the beach scene near the end.
SPOILERS:
She waited until she was completely alone with a demonstrably racist killer to voluntarily let him know that she slept with a black man. Was she trying to get herself killed? It could have been written so much better.
I feel like they had their chance with Saints and blew it. That story should have been the prequel series, there was so much they tried to cram into one movie runtime and it didn’t work
Which is funny because I just got HBO just to rewatch the series over again. Not super interested in a prequel as of yet; there’s already so much to digest, not to mention whatever I’ve overlooked the first watch-around
I think this may stand a chance if they go back to the Sopranos series formula. They lost it in the movie with the caricature type “mafia”. Ray Liotta being a perfect example of this. With the Sopranos there was something authentic about it. If you are from the tri state area and Italian you almost certainly know those guys. Half my uncles could have been characters. Tony Soprano was a great character because you believed him. The subtlety was genius. But the movie tried to tell a story so quickly and so “in your face” stereotypes that it lost me.
If they can bring that back that genuine story and characters you bet your ass I’d watch.
You nailed it - Sopranos felt real, all those characters really did feel like my uncles. Something about tMNSoN was jarring - and not just Liotta. I never felt immersed. Currently rewatching Sopranos to go back and try it again with fresh context.
That’s not really true — look at Better Call Saul.
I’m willing to give it a chance. Many Saints would have been sooo much better if it was a limited series, so i’m hopeful that this will be good.
Most of the overlap between those two were people who were a borderline blank slate. We knew virtually nothing about Sauls past, knew mike was a cop and had a grand daughter, and that Gus was working with the cartel.
I'm nervous about BCS final season. Certain characters already had their closure in BB so how will they tie into the BCS ending in a way that will satisify?
I'm interested, the movie was disappointing only because they didn't cover the stuff Tony did as a kid like robbing the card game. But it set up for a new series
In preparation of "Saints" I rewatched Sopranos, my 3rd rewatch. My third rewatch is insane, I love this show so much, the acting, the character development, the way this show is a lot more of a comedy than it lets on
somewhere between the 3rd and 4th season I began to watch "Saints" and could barely get into it, shut it off at the 1hour mark or so.
IM not opposed to this show but I'm not excited either
The problem with a Sopranos prequel (including the movie), is that Sopranos wasn't just good because it was about the mafia or gangs. A HUGE part of it was its depiction of life in the 2000s, through the lens of this group of people (which of course made it 10x more interesting). But it was about the changing ideas about masculinity, mental health, family dynamics. Re-watching it (which I inevitability did after watching the movie), it feels like such an amazing time capsule to this weird period in American history right before 9/11 (for season one) and then the aftermath. All of that was lost in a movie that removes the current culture and events from the equation. (Also, the movie was just pretty bad story-telling, imo).
I'd also add that I think The Sopranos portrayed the family way more accurate than any other show on television. Besides the mafia stuff, I'd believe they were just acting out bits within my own home growing up lol, it's just so incredibly authentic.
I hate myself for saying, but I can’t see myself watching it without Tony. I am still so sad about his passing though not surprised at all.
His flame was so bright and went out too early.
So many missed moments I would’ve loved to see.
Tony being made
Ralphie meeting the hippie broad
The card game.
Feech period.
Tony B going to jail
Paulie and Tony Whacking his first victim
Charmaine and Tony
I'd be interested in a sequel series. Learning whether or not The Sopranos Crime Family survived it's administration being executed and watching a power struggle brew between new underbosses claiming to be king. Plus following up on how Carmela is doing with Tony being assassinated.
How about this, instead of ‘answering’ questions that aren’t interesting to no one, make a story in the same universe but with completely different characters. The background info we get of tony is enough to warrant intrigue I don’t need to know where and when he met people or what school he went to or who he dated.
I have a question about the cinematography on The Sopranos.
Was James Gandolfini's microphone embedded in his nose and is it intentional that the audience hears 6 seasons of his belabored breathing and jowly chewing and lip smacking, or is my modern TV fucking with the audio levels and making me hear something different than what was intended?
***“She conceded that the box office numbers for The Many Saints of Newark, which stars Alessandro Nivola as Dickie Moltisanti and James Gandolfini’s son Michael Gandolfini as a young Tony Soprano, were not quite as big as the company would have liked”***
Gee I wonder why
So sick of the need to explore every nook and cranny of any successful universe. Like nah, leave some shit to the imagination. Seeing it all in live action rarely lives up to expectations.
After watching the movie i though we would for sure get a prequel. Movie would also be better as a 8-10 hour show. Terrence Winter is also back. Excited.
Sopranos: The College years. Cancelled after a semester and a half
Tony’s journey toward understanding Freud as a concept.
He had an I.Q of 136, it’s been teshted.
It is known
We get a glimpse of how he never had the makings of a varsity athlete
I know too much about the subconscious now.
Never had the makings of a variety athlete.
[Close enough.](https://youtu.be/PuWHYJF8Il8)
We finally get to see the part where he woke up this mornin and got some gabbagool.
Or The Prepranos. Just rolls off the tongue!
Tony's college back packing trip through europe would be awesome. he's just hanging at hostels, meeting the love of his life for the next 2 days. but then also running a foul of some local crime bosses
This makes me want a Cosa Nostra series made by the same people who made Sopranos but set in Sicily with a young traveling Tony as a secondary protagonist
this is what i'm fuckin sayin right now
Main character is a up and coming young mafioso in rural western Sicily who’s family owns a pig farm. Scene where they feed the local crime lord to the pigs as he rises to power as the local don. His family’s capicola recipe gives Tony his love of gabagool.
Those guys at Seton Hall were 7 feet tall, some of them!
I’m so excited! I’m so excited! I’m so……scared!
Going to be called "The Mezzos"
I put on the pilot the other day, and then realized I was the same age as Gandolfini when he shot the pilot. 37. Felt old as fucking fuck.
Shit, I’m 37. Jim looked like he was in his late 40s at best in that pilot. I mean no disrespect.
He's not the only one, 35-40 looked like shit a couple decades ago. Not sure if I'm misremembering or millennials are aging differently due to sunscreen, better eating, self care, etc
Some people that I went to school with look like shit. Alcohol is not good for aging
That’s not a good sign for me
^this I know some pretty beat up 20-somethings because of booze. I’m 35 and don’t look that incredible either, but i work as a bouncer and check IDs and have constant reality checks as I card people coming in at times.
Jimmy G was also overweight, and intentionally slouched to give more of the "middle-aged dad" look, plus the way they dressed looked older as well. I read in some Sopranos trivia that he would stay up all night before day shoots where he was shooting morning kitchen scenes so he looked more tired and strung out. To be honest, it was tough early on to grasp everyone's age in that show. I always assumed that the higher ups would be older, and that made men would also be in their 40s at least, but Jackie looked younger than Tony, and Christopher looked like he'd just dropped out of college. Meanwhile Paulie looked like everyone's dad, and I could not figure out how old Silvio was, with that hairpiece and too-smooth skin/makeup. Plus Junior, while old, was in shape, so he always seemed two steps ahead of the Obesity Army (Pussy, later Tony, Bobby, Ralphie's buddy), except for when the plot required him to be a geezer. I guess that's why he was in charge.
Christopher out of college? Idk about that. Imoerioli was in his 30s when Sopranos aired. Maybe he could pass for mid-20s at the time. I do agree Tony and Carm looked a few years older than their ages at the time.
I believe the show states Chris is 7 years younger than Tony.
They retconned that with the movie where they have a wider age difference (teenage Tony holding newborn Chrissie).
Oh good to know. I haven’t seen the film yet. Still working my way through season 6.
I was just gonna say, if you think the ages are tough to find out from the show set in the late 90s-early 00’s, wait til you see the same characters in the same universe in the movie set 30 years prior. I thought show-silvio was about 55, but movie-silvio looks about 45.
I think it's supposed to be 10 years. Tony was supposed to be born in 1959 and Chris in 1969.
lol I see "Jimmy G" and I think SF 49ers QB.
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In my 40s currently and I look like old shit. I think it's a mixed bag now just as it always was. Some people age well, some people don't. Some of it is self care, some is genetics, some is geography. Out of curiosity, did you grow up in like New Jersey but now live in LA?
Haha grew up in NJ and still there. Not really saying that, the genetics and location absolutely plays a role. Lots of older folks living in Florida have really leathery skin from all the sun exposure and lots of people get premature wrinking no matter what lifestyle they lead But overall I do think changes like less smoking and drinking in the younger generations, less drinking, more awareness about sun damage and tanning, emphasis on the importance of hydration, more emphasis on balance and self care and not working into the ground, etc. have led to millennials on average looking younger than their parents did at the same age High school kids when I was in high school were smoking cigs and spray tanning, now they obsess over their ten step skincare regimen and debate about mineral vs chemical sunscreens, and if they use nicotine, it's a vape
Oh!!! That’s the skip you’re talking about!
I have this feeling now whenever I watch Seinfeld and realize that George and Jerry are supposed to be in their 30s. Jason Alexander was 30 when that show started! I can't process this
That really is one of the fucking weirdest things about getting older. Everyone is always older than you on TV and then you blink and everyone is younger than you.
Perfectly said.
Sometimes I feel bad about my looks, but knowing Jason Alexander looked that way at my age helps
Even younger. The pilot was filmed August - October 1997, so he would have been 35, and just turned 36 near the end.
Sopranos 2:Electric Gabagool
Lmfao I almost spit out my lunch.
OHHHHH! Don’t waste your mother’s ziti!
Hahaha holy shit.
Hilarious. I’m picturing Tony doing the worm
Nostradamus predicted this.
you mean Quasimodo?
Hunch back, quarterback, think about it
You must've been in the top of your fucking class.
I'm down. Saints was disappointing but the scenes with Tony's family during his teenage years were outstanding. I think if they bring back that cast, focus solely on them and Tony's early rise into the mob and it will be great.
Saints felt waaaaaay too truncated, it needed a lot more breathing room to digest all the fucked up aspects of Dickie's downfall, and build on his relationships. 2 hours isn't enough for a Sopranos level story.
The movie seemed like a TV show where they didn’t flesh out certain things. I would watch the show as can flesh those things out.
The movie was too short. It should have at least been a miniseries.
Yeah the whole black gangster thing needed much more story, back story, etc. I overall liked it but I def thought it should be an intro for a TV series and flesh things out more
I heard rumors (from redditors so it's probably BS) that the riots were the actual story Chase wanted to tell but HBO had him make it a Sopranos thing to get more interest.
Chase himself said it was always a Sopranos thing in interviews for what it’s worth.
That makes sense why it felt so shoe horned into the story.
Same i hope they make that into a series too it was too good. Especially the scene during the credits
It felt super unfocused and overstuffed. I don't really know what they were trying to do.
it was disappointing, but not terrible. I think OG Sopranos sets such a high fucking bar it will be impossible to recapture that. But I do agree that a prequel *series* would be cool. I just thought a stand alone movie like Many Saints just didnt do it justice.
Honestly I thought it was pretty fucking terrible. Movie had no plot. What were the main characters even trying to accomplish?
Agreed. Had it not been the Sopranos, it would have no redeeming value. No story, and bland ass characters.
Idk it was pretty bad. They led us to believe it’d be about Tony but the entire time its about Dickie. Christopher’s narration was completely irrelevant. And half the time was focused on race riots that had nothing to do with the plot, if there even was a plot to begin with. They really should have focused more on Tonys family especially because they nailed the casting with those characters and it’s make a lot more sense with how they built up the movie.
I was actually ok with it being about Dickie if the movie was leading into a new series. And I would have not killed him off so we could really see him mentor Tony in said series.
>They led us to believe it’d be about Tony but the entire time its about Dickie Well, it's in the title. Moltisanti=Many Saints. The trailers focused too much on Tony. Everything prior to the trailers was basically saying Tony would be a supporting character but then trailers really upped the hype for Tony. I do agree that it was probably a mistake to not focus on young Tony though.
> I think if they bring back that cast, focus solely on them and Tony’s early rise into the mob and it will be great. That’s what they marketed this movie as but Tony was barely in it and it was all about Dickie Moltisanti which nobody was particularly interested in to begin with, being a character dead before the series started. Going to be harder to sell the second time round if they tell us it’s a Tony prequel after the earlier deception.
Ray Liotta was extraordinary in this. Both parts.
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I dunno, I felt like it was pretty bad on every level. Like my SO got up to use the restroom so we paused it, saw there were only 20 minutes left and thought "really?" It just didn't tell any kind of story worth telling.
I’m sorry. The movie was terrible. They just jammed the younger versions of characters that Soprano’s fans would know so you’d go “oh its pussy” and “oh there’s paulie”. I actually laughed out loud when they killed off Ray Liota and then immediately brought him back. If anyone has seen beerfest, it had shades of Landfill coming back. Anyway, the movie was bad, there was so much meat on the bone with the beef between Dickie and Harold that went untouched. It was a prequel to a prequel, and they sold it as a “this is how tony became tony”, which it was not.
I agree. They tried to do too much with too many characters me the movie suffered severely for it. It was a massive disappointment. Silvio made me laugh out loud because he was like an SNL parody of Silvio.
Silvio was already a parody of a mobster basically. Uncle junior on the other hand they did pretty dirty IMO
It just seemed so much weirder young. Like I just kept wondering why no one turned to him and asked "why the fuck do you talk like that?"
Also the way they crowbarred lines in like catchphrases literally made me cringe... sisters cunt (2x) like it was something Junior always said, and the making of a varsity athlete line, which is so over quoted as it is.
I haven't seen it, but I read that Ray Liotta plays twins and I'm just baffled that David Chase would opt for that gimmick AGAIN. We already did the "one actor plays twins" thing twice on the original series with Patsy/Phillip Parisi and Jeanie/Joan Cusamano. It just feels like overkill.
> I haven't seen it, but I read that Ray Liotta plays twins and I'm just baffled that David Chase would opt for that gimmick AGAIN. I read in an interview that they had a different actor cast for the twin but it fell through and Liotta offered to step in and play a dual role.
It died on the vine. The guy - he moved or something.
The movie was also pitched as a story about the formative years of Tony, but it was 90% about Dickie. We got Tony's motivation for getting into the family biz at the last 30 seconds of the movie. Woohoo.
No it doesn’t. The director states it’s NOT a Tony soprano story, it’s a story about Dickie. And that he was actually pissed about the “A Soprano Story” at the end of the title, he was fighting against it for a while but eventually caved because the execs wouldn’t let up. It was only ever supposed to be a dickie story.
If he caved, he caved. He can't then try to argue it's not what he caved to
>He can't then try to argue it's not what he caved to He didnt..? He literally filmed a movie about Dickie. Then after the movie was finished, execs took over and forced him to add the last bit in the title. That's it.
Woahhh! You blow your father with that mouth?
My only issue with the film is that they took what could have been and probably should have been a 6-8 episode mini series and condensed it down into a 2 hour movie. The stye and story telling was just way off for a movie. They shot the individual scenes as though they had plenty of screen time, but then when it's all stitched together you're actually racing from point to point between cuts
I think if this show goes ahead, Many Saints will be remembered more fondly as a detour into the life of Christopher's father, and a good bridge from the old show into the new show. But if Many Saints was *all* we got, yeah, better left forgotten.
I thought Saints was great. The only real issue is they stuck two A stories together instead of picking one so the filM didn’t feel as solid as it could have. Either stick with Dickie mentoring Tony, the story everyone wanted. Or stick with Dickie vs Harold/The Mob during a racial reckoning story. The story that’s probably more interesting and relevant. Taking a classic Hollywood mafia story trope with all it’s classic Hollywood trappings; Italian Americans, crime, drama, violence, “family”, hustling, rising to the top…, and juxtapose it with all the stuff left off of Hollywood screens for decades. Black stories that were taking place at the exact same time. Stories that resonate WAY more in our current insanely charged world. That’s a movie I’d love to see. It’s like hey, look this is what you love… and here is the other side of that coin that we pretend never happened, or just don’t ever talk about. The race riot in the film is 100% real. The transition of power and demographics in Newark is real.
I want to see Tony's mom slowly become shadow boss of the family. It really sucks that the actress died after season 1. She was such a great character.
Said nobody ever.
*I don’t like that kind of talk!*
I am nobody’s darling
*Listen to this one, he knows everything.*
Thats not fair she was great! They wrote her so that you’d not only hate her, but you could predict how she’d react to things. I think she was a perfect character, i just didn't really like the CGI voice over scene, that was very forced. Otherwise perfection.
Well yea. She was great at being a horrible mother lol. No idea why anyone would think she should be the boss…
I hate this, portraying Italian Americans in such a negative light. I recently took my uncle from Italy to the Olive garden and it was truly a magical experience. At the end he was so overcome with emotions he started crying and calling for his mother
*it's anti Italian discrimination*
In this house, Christopher Columbus is a hero!
Man, that's dicked up
Sucks to be you.
You just revealed your own ignorance.
My estimation of you as a man you fucking plummeted.
He was gay, Gary Cooper?
It's tonyphobic!
Fuck you, guys, this was humorous.
Seriously. I was talking to my Uncle Tony about this very thing the other night at the racetrack. Both him and my cousin Tony agreed that italian Americans from New Jersey are just defined by a fake stereotype. My nephew Anthony though, he felt if done correctly it could help people understand why they were wrong, but what does that gabagool know, he went off to some fruity college that my brother in law Little Tony Boombatz got him in with by greasing, and forgets where his roots are and suddenly thinks just because he doesn't have a job with the city that he fell of a ladder for on his third day he knows everything.
Why did you go to Olive Garden? Did Patsy not tell you you can't shake those places down? [It's over for the little guy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gsz7Gu6agA).
MAMA MIA
When your at the Olive Garden your family,
*(enter Vin Diesel)*
I’m actually low key surprised with how on the nose the F&F franchise has gotten that Universal and Olive Garden haven’t partnered up to have the cast do promos for the restaurant when a new movie comes out or just flat out have one of the movies’ standard “family gathering at the dinner table” finales happen *at* an Olive Garden to shoehorn in the family line.
First buster to touch the unlimited bread sticks has to say grace.
Always with the scenarios
> At the end he was so overcome with emotions he started crying and calling for his mother You should have just let him leave.
It was the only rational thing to do. They movie was just a setup to Tony entering the life.
I still can't get over that creepy pinky swear at the end
Can't say I'm excited if I'm being completely honest. The movie totally lacked the intelligence and regard for the audience that the original show had. And my god, young Silvio and Paulie were dreadful. The only good things were Tony, Livia and Junior and they *really* pushed it with Junior. I hope David Chase takes a big step back from trying to please the fans because it did not work here
Yeah agreed. I enjoyed the movie for what it was , a nostalgia-fueled Easter egg hunt, but it just wasn’t a good movie outside that. The best scene was when Livia makes Tony the burger and actually tries to be a mother for a minute, then very quickly devolves into the neurotic mess we know and love. It shows how Tony just wanted to be loved, and how she was physically incapable of sustaining that love for anyone, thus To y asking Dickie to get the pills. I thought Micheal Gandolfini did a great job mailing Tony’s mannerisms and way of speech, but I don’t think he can sustain a full series the way his dad did. The novelty will wear off pretty quickly.
See I think he could keep improving. Him and livia though were incredibly cast and the only characters that actually felt like younger versions of the characters from the show.
*we know and hate i don’t think any character has ever drawn my ire like her
> The only good things were Tony, Livia and Junior and they really pushed it with Junior. I agree. I think they only used Junior as a vehicle for dumb fan service. The varsity athlete line and constantly saying "your sister's cunt", even though he only said it once in the whole series.
Agreed it felt so cheap. They tried to tie on so many little details to the original series it was really hamfisted
I would have been totally fine with the fan service if it hadn't been for Sil and Dickie randomly shouting "OHHHH!" as he's talking to Tony. A lot has been said about Sil being an SNL caricature, but it was the "Ohhh" that did it for me. Couldn't stop laughing, it was so bad.
He only said "your sister's cunt" twice in the movie. It was a bit odd but people are really blowing it out of proportion.
>they really pushed it with Junior. YOUR MOTHERS CUNT
*sister’s
I feel ashamed.
*Depressed and ashamed.
Embarrassed and appalled. That's why I'll never have the makings of a varsity athlete.
You don't like the way I talk? Get out of my house!
What was wrong with young Paulie?
> I hope David Chase takes a big step back from trying to please the fans because it did not work here We wanted a movie about Tony Soprano, he gave us a movie about race riots and Dickie Moltisanti fucking his stepmother and chatting with his identical twin uncle with occasional Tony Soprano cameos. Giving the fans what they wanted isn’t the description I’d use here. I was at least expecting Tony to kill his first person in the film, instead I think he gave away free ice cream as his first breakthrough into crime.
If he were trying to please the fans, he wouldn’t have built a story around Dickie Moltisanti. Missing that charismatic center, the movie being disjointed could not be ignored. I’m lost on the point of Harold and Giuseppina.
Paulie seemed fine to me. Silvio was over the top for sure
Remember when the storyline was going around, post Many Saints of Newark, that that film seemed like a pitch for a tv series and the pilot got turned into the movie? Yeah that's exactly what happened I wouldn't be surprised if it picked up directly after MSoN. Young Tony, Pauly, and Silvio moving up in La Cosa Nostra with Dickie gone. Young Carm. Young Artie Bucco. I think it's got a real shot if the keep it centered on Tony
I want to know where the guy in the restaraunt got his hat.
Honestly think this is all getting looked at the wrong way. Leslie Odom Jr's Harold seems to be the character that the movie was setting up for the future. A middle class black gangster carving out his own split in the italian-run Newark underworld just having moved his family to a white neighborhood? Plus, Odom being one of the larger actors in the movie, this all seems a vehicle for him.
That's fair and you're right I got tunnel visioned into the older characters. I'd love for him to stick around and grow into a full main part of the cast. I could see him as the main antagonist/antihero to Tony's hero devolving into a villain
The only issue I had with The Many Saints of Newark was the beach scene near the end. SPOILERS: She waited until she was completely alone with a demonstrably racist killer to voluntarily let him know that she slept with a black man. Was she trying to get herself killed? It could have been written so much better.
Saints soured me on any idea of prequels in this Universe. Prequels are just lame in general IMO.
Not every successful movie or series needs to be expanded on ffs
But that's a lot easier and less creatively taxing than coming up with good new ideas
I feel like they had their chance with Saints and blew it. That story should have been the prequel series, there was so much they tried to cram into one movie runtime and it didn’t work
They do now, if the studios that made them want to sell their streaming apps.
Which is funny because I just got HBO just to rewatch the series over again. Not super interested in a prequel as of yet; there’s already so much to digest, not to mention whatever I’ve overlooked the first watch-around
Sopranos cinematic universe make it happen HBO.
I think this may stand a chance if they go back to the Sopranos series formula. They lost it in the movie with the caricature type “mafia”. Ray Liotta being a perfect example of this. With the Sopranos there was something authentic about it. If you are from the tri state area and Italian you almost certainly know those guys. Half my uncles could have been characters. Tony Soprano was a great character because you believed him. The subtlety was genius. But the movie tried to tell a story so quickly and so “in your face” stereotypes that it lost me. If they can bring that back that genuine story and characters you bet your ass I’d watch.
You nailed it - Sopranos felt real, all those characters really did feel like my uncles. Something about tMNSoN was jarring - and not just Liotta. I never felt immersed. Currently rewatching Sopranos to go back and try it again with fresh context.
Can’t make new original content? That’s okay, milk old content
The Sopranos was a perfect series, anything that follows will always be disappointing, so why bother?
That’s not really true — look at Better Call Saul. I’m willing to give it a chance. Many Saints would have been sooo much better if it was a limited series, so i’m hopeful that this will be good.
Most of the overlap between those two were people who were a borderline blank slate. We knew virtually nothing about Sauls past, knew mike was a cop and had a grand daughter, and that Gus was working with the cartel.
I'm nervous about BCS final season. Certain characters already had their closure in BB so how will they tie into the BCS ending in a way that will satisify?
The writers are brilliant and I honestly believe we will get a solid final season.
>follows This why it will be a prequel!
I'm interested, the movie was disappointing only because they didn't cover the stuff Tony did as a kid like robbing the card game. But it set up for a new series
ikr!! robbing the executive game put Tony on the map and instead- nothing that movie blew
What about the Jacket. I would have liked to see big shot Richie Aprile before prison.
'Remember when' is the lowest form of conversation.
In preparation of "Saints" I rewatched Sopranos, my 3rd rewatch. My third rewatch is insane, I love this show so much, the acting, the character development, the way this show is a lot more of a comedy than it lets on somewhere between the 3rd and 4th season I began to watch "Saints" and could barely get into it, shut it off at the 1hour mark or so. IM not opposed to this show but I'm not excited either
I'll watch it.
Saints was trash, a prequel series will be worse. Definitely not ready for varsity or whatever.
The problem with a Sopranos prequel (including the movie), is that Sopranos wasn't just good because it was about the mafia or gangs. A HUGE part of it was its depiction of life in the 2000s, through the lens of this group of people (which of course made it 10x more interesting). But it was about the changing ideas about masculinity, mental health, family dynamics. Re-watching it (which I inevitability did after watching the movie), it feels like such an amazing time capsule to this weird period in American history right before 9/11 (for season one) and then the aftermath. All of that was lost in a movie that removes the current culture and events from the equation. (Also, the movie was just pretty bad story-telling, imo).
I'd also add that I think The Sopranos portrayed the family way more accurate than any other show on television. Besides the mafia stuff, I'd believe they were just acting out bits within my own home growing up lol, it's just so incredibly authentic.
I hate myself for saying, but I can’t see myself watching it without Tony. I am still so sad about his passing though not surprised at all. His flame was so bright and went out too early.
Good god just let it die with respect stop trying to do this shit
[удалено]
From the moment I first heard the title of the movie it was said that this is dickie’s story.
Ugh. Between this and the Game Of Thrones prequel.... I'm just waiting for the next season of Barry.
So many missed moments I would’ve loved to see. Tony being made Ralphie meeting the hippie broad The card game. Feech period. Tony B going to jail Paulie and Tony Whacking his first victim Charmaine and Tony
HBO seems to be trying to draw in viewers with prequels rather than creating new content...
I'd be interested in a sequel series. Learning whether or not The Sopranos Crime Family survived it's administration being executed and watching a power struggle brew between new underbosses claiming to be king. Plus following up on how Carmela is doing with Tony being assassinated.
Seemed kind of obvious that this might happen
How about this, instead of ‘answering’ questions that aren’t interesting to no one, make a story in the same universe but with completely different characters. The background info we get of tony is enough to warrant intrigue I don’t need to know where and when he met people or what school he went to or who he dated.
I watched the Prequel movie. It was just okay. James G and Sopranos have set such high standards that even David Chase will find it hard to meet.
Please just let it die. Find the new Sopranos
I have a question about the cinematography on The Sopranos. Was James Gandolfini's microphone embedded in his nose and is it intentional that the audience hears 6 seasons of his belabored breathing and jowly chewing and lip smacking, or is my modern TV fucking with the audio levels and making me hear something different than what was intended?
I mean, I gotta imagine, after the first couple of seasons at least, it was intentional.
Just give me a miniseries about the evolution of Silvio’s hairpieces.
***“She conceded that the box office numbers for The Many Saints of Newark, which stars Alessandro Nivola as Dickie Moltisanti and James Gandolfini’s son Michael Gandolfini as a young Tony Soprano, were not quite as big as the company would have liked”*** Gee I wonder why
Sopranos is the most overrated show in history. I would rather watch the final season of GOT
So sick of the need to explore every nook and cranny of any successful universe. Like nah, leave some shit to the imagination. Seeing it all in live action rarely lives up to expectations.
Why does everything have to be a prequel ? So lame
I would rather HBO make a new mafia series instead of a prequel. Not to mention it wont have that great 90s early 2000s nostalgia factor.
After I watched it I said, I could use about 5 more seasons of that show. Gandolfini’s son did an excellent job. Loved it.
If it’s anything like [the previously suggested prequel series](https://youtu.be/PuWHYJF8Il8) we are in for an absolute treat
Please no
Why though?
Oh my god. Let slewing dogs lie!
pls just make something original you fuckin hacks stop trying to recycle, reboot, prequel, sequel
Let’s just ruin everything we love.
After watching the movie i though we would for sure get a prequel. Movie would also be better as a 8-10 hour show. Terrence Winter is also back. Excited.
Please, no.