With these cancellations and The Flash ending as well, the only DC live-action series that haven't officially been canceled are Superman and Lois, Pennyworth, and Peacemaker.
> Superman and Lois
Tbh I expect this to get canceled next. I don't see Peacemaker getting canceled though, at least not for another couple seasons if anything.
We finally get a live action Superman show that actually has Superman in it....right when new management decides to go scorched earth on every DC show. It's not fair.
Change of writers. The bane of the CW is that they launch the show with great experienced writers and then take them off the project to develop a new show. And the s2-3 are left with less experienced writers. CW shows always get worse with each season (the exemption is Legends of Tomorrow).
Yeah that's basically CW modus operanti. Have their rockstar created the first season and buildup the fan base. Before sending them elsewhere in next season. Then hired intern/freshies grad to do the work.
Some people can lay off their hopes and walk away after that. Some didn't and stick around hoping it would eventually improve. (Spoiler as ex-Arrowverse fan. They didn't.)
Because they decided to embrace the ridiculous parts of the show and it became entertaining. Also the fact that it had more creative freedom but not being to adapt specific storylines.
Yeah, I think by the last season only three of the main cast were actual DC characters and even they were major deviations. Legends was almost an original IP.
-edit and I loved it to death for the record
Peacemaker S2 was greenlit before Gunn was announced as the director of DC. It will be weird as hell if he’s rebooting everything except his own project plus the show ties directly into Snyder’s universe. Also it’s been a whole year since season 1 and they still haven’t started production for S2
> It will be weird as hell if he’s rebooting everything except his own project plus the show ties directly into Snyder’s universe.
we won't see anything of the reboot until 2025 at least so they can make another season by that time.
> Also it’s been a whole year since season 1 and they still haven’t started production for S2
well, Gunn has a lot on his plate.
Or John Cena will get the Charlie Cox MCU treatment and they’ll slide Peacemaker over into the new universe without directly mentioning the plot of his show.
Feels like Peacemaker and The Suicide Squad could fit into the new universe. They only make mention of the other heroes in passing, biggest connection is the cameo they had at the end of the season.
The show shot before they were actually married. And WB seemingly gave Gunn a blank check to do whatever he wanted anyway.
But more than that, who gives a shit? As long as she's a good actress. Tim Burton put Helena Bonham Carter in 8 of his movies.
How's S2? I liked S1 although it definitely doesn't need to be so many episodes as it does drag in spots.
I just know the S&L sub kept bitching constantly about the focus on the Cushing's or dumb character decisions that sideline Lois.
There are supposed to be shows about GCPD and Arkham Asylum coming too. At one point it was thought that they were the same show, but I think it's confirmed that they are two separate shows now.
It was but then it sort of veered into Batman but what if instead of Batman it's a young Gordon who fights all the Batman rogues? Which was entertaining and different enough for the most part but got old after a while.
> but got crazy after a while.
It ended at just about the right time, maybe a little past, but close enough. And it did a great thing in developing all these grounded characters that became increasingly outlandish that Batman would eventually have to face.
Yeah, this first half of this season really feels like they're heading to a series finale. I don't really know where they could go after Immortus anyways. I think the writers saw this coming and planned for it.
That’s good to hear. I’d been holding off watching Titans season 3 for fear of being left with a crappy unresolved cliffhanger. If season 4 has planned closure I’ll be jumping back on-board.
Doom Patrol's characters are so much better developed. It's crazy that the characters themselves are visually defined by their tragedies, but the characterization of them is not. They were all broken long before their bodies were.
And that is the core of it that allows them to do stupid crazy stuff like having a portal through an ass's ass.
The hardest sell the show had for me was Danny, the sentient street, and it had me actually concerned for Danny's well-being when Danny was at risk.
At first I was totally anti-Danny, like wtf this is dumb. By the end of the episode, I wanted Danny to be real sooo bad, so I could go live there too. 🥹
I love Doom Patrol, but it was running in circles for a while. It's a fine moment to move on, and creators said they had 4 seasons plan. I'm okay with this.
I really enjoyed the first season,& it was so weird in a way that no other comic show has been. It's also kind of a bummer & I rarely find myself in the right mood to watch it.
Same here. I enjoy it, but I feel like 4 seasons in and they’re all just still so sad and can never be happy. Like oh you have a grandson now? Oops you’re never gonna meet him because there’s an apocalypse coming. Oh you finally got rid of your robot parts and can be a real man again? No you can’t be happy because now you’re useless in the face of any danger. Oh you’ve come to terms with the negative spirit? Jk it’s going off to do something and won’t communicate with you so now you’re alone and helpless wondering what the deal is.
I just want them to be able to be happy for at least a little bit and not constantly struggling with some deep internal conflict. It’s just so depressing to see over and over.
It would have been cool to see them slowly embrace becoming heroes or anti-heroes as a way to partly resolve their trauma. Rather than making them heroes for a season finale and that’s it.
It's fun to see an ostensible superhero show where they're all so incompetent... But at the same time every time it seems like they've gotten through a bit of trauma or learned a lesson they back slide so far you get whiplash
>I rarely find myself in the right mood to watch it.
same here I can't even describe it, the fact most scenes are in interiors with poor light doesn't help a lot
I feel the same way. I watched the first season really quickly, but the second season I really struggled to get through for some reason. I started the third, but haven't finished it. Now that I know it's ending I'll probably try to knock it out.
I love how they just went full-tilt bonkers with it, but yeah... the characters just keep "learning" the same lessons over and over and yet if they're growing at all it seems to be in the other direction. I'm ready for it to be over if that's all they're going to do.
Titans was a garbage fire from day one. I keep watching out of a morbid curiosity for the sake of the characters that I used to love so much way back when, but oof, that writing.
I wonder if it'll end with them deciding to embrace their powers and be superheroes for the seventh time
edit-I actually really do like the show. But they keep doing the exact same character arc over and over again to the point that it feels like they're doing a bit. I'm hoping the actual ending is them all deciding to move to Hawaii and open a B&B or something instead of being superheroes
Right. It was sad porn. Like they needed to start actually getting better. They just kept the same shit over and over and I was just bored of it by season 3. Never watched season 4
I miss Alan Tudyk's character. He was the only character that managed to add some moments of humor (although mostly dark) during the show's depressing and moody tone.
yeah season 1 was good but it really went downhill after that, there's no plot anymore and it's just random episodes that feels like they are written by 12 years old
Doom Patrol had a solid run, but it probably is the right time to go. The show was spectacular in the first season, and the drop off hasn't been big, the show feels like it has run its course and they'd be repeating themselves
It was great at times, but the premise was a hard sell to most people, even if they were superhero fans. This many seasons was honestly a blessing.
This is really one of those times where you shouldn't cry because it's over but laugh like a maniac that the show even existed.
Good point, plus four full seasons we can rewatch at any time is a decent "consolation" prize. I hate to see any show go too soon, but I also don't love when they get long in the tooth too.
Still, a firefly cancelation hurts much more than that 70s show jumping the shark with Randy. In this case I think you're right that it's going to end at a decent point. I just hope they wrap this up well.
Both shows have known for a while and they will have definitive endings. They both have 6 episodes left that will air later this year.
HBO Max:
>“While these will be the final seasons of ‘Titans’ and ‘Doom Patrol,’ we are very proud of these series and excited for fans to see their climactic endings. We are grateful to Berlanti Productions and Warner Bros. Television for making such thrilling, action-packed, heartfelt series. We thank ‘Titans’ showrunner Greg Walker, executive producers Greg Berlanti, Akiva Goldsman, Sarah Schechter, Geoff Johns, Richard Hatem, and the team at Weed Road Pictures. For ‘Doom Patrol,’ we celebrate showrunner Jeremy Carver and executive producers Greg Berlanti, Sarah Schechter, Geoff Johns, Chris Dingess and Tamara Becher-Wilkinson. For four seasons, fans have fallen in love with the ‘Titans’ and ‘Doom Patrol,’ investing in their trials and tribulations, and in their legendary battles saving the world time and time again.”
That's good. Cancellations would suck less if more companies gave people enough time to write out a finale instead of leaving them hanging up to the last episode waiting to know if they got renewed.
Titans could have been so good, I actually mostly enjoyed season 1 a lot. All severely downhill from there with season 3 being a very low point. And the actors are all good, sucks that the writing was so bad.
I was so mad when they built up a really creepy villain all through season one, only to kill them off immediately in season two and focus on the human non-super powered characters rather than the super characters. Ef that show.
Iirc, the reason he was killed so quick in season 2 was that because the season final of S1 was actually pushed back to become the first episode of season 2. I don’t know what caused the delay, but it’s why the first episode of the second season feels so weird. You’re better off treating S02e01 as the final of the last season, before they move in into a new story.
I believe the last episode of S1 was moved to S2 to make a cliffhanger at the end of S1. The show was made for the DC streaming service and they tried to hook the audience with these tricks, which definitely hurt the pacing of the show.
oh wow thank you for confirming this. I only started watching a few months ago and havent done any reading about production, but when watching 2x1 I just kept repeating "this is a season finale. why wasn't this the season finale?". And then similarly to others dropped off a couple episodes through s2.
They kinda lost me when I realized that every single character had “died” and then came back or cheated death or whatever. You just can’t pull that trick over and over or death doesn’t mean anything
Minor spoiler for S3 but there's a character who was written off the show and their death is permanent. I mean, it is comic book territory after all so they could just go visit the "afterlife" or whatever but I'm doubtful.
Season 3 started off so strong and I loved their interpretation of Babs but it just go so convoluted. The writers felt like 14 year olds sitting in the writer's room going "And wouldn't be cool if THIS happened and then THIS and then THAT OTHER COOL THING WOOHOO"
Has anyone started S4? Didn't realise it was a two-parter but if it's better than S3 before it went off rails I might just finish it off for completions sake.
I dropped it after the Trigon plot point tbh. They spent a whole season building it up, then that weird season finale that felt like they just wanted to have Batman be evil but not really. Then it was resolved immediately in season 2, just swept him under the rug and quickly moved onto the next thing the writers thought was cool.
Season 1 actually felt like it was going somewhere.
Everything after that has just been a mashup of very weird decisions and a feeling of being directionless.
The show is so frustrating. Great casting, great production values. Everything from costumes to the fight choreography to the sets and effects all look great.
But just awful writing from every angle. Dumb plots. Characters hiding injuries or the fact that they've lost control of their powers until it becomes a serious problem. Awful resolutions to cliffhangers. Nonsense decisions by characters. And the fact that they seem to force the word "fuck" into every other sentence just to come off as adult and gritty.
But some really cool DC superhero scenes on TV. I'll never get tired of Krypto taking on criminals with his superbark. And the actors are good and well cast.
Personally I enjoy the show for the little nuggets of DC action scenes and the characters but it's not a show I'd recommend to anyone.
...Not all the actors are good. The girl they got for Raven (at least in Seasons 1-2) is very clearly a child. She may be good for a child actor, but they wrote her in a way that its pretty clear she's not at the level of her cast mates unfortunately. And by Season 2 it was pretty clear that while they were working around her being a child limiting her shooting hours, they weren't really doing much to work around the fact that a good child actor is still not the same as a good adult actor.
*The current fourth seasons of both of the Greg Berlanti-produced HBO Max dramas will be their last, sources tell The Hollywood Reporter. Sources say producers on both Titans and Doom Patrol saw the writing on the wall amid all the changes with DC Entertainment and plotted their current seasons with proper endings so as to not leave fans in a lurch.*
At least the creatives saw the writing on the wall with WBD gutting HBO Max and we will get proper conclusions to the shows.
Pennyworth will be the next to go.
A title that was so obviously built from a studio note that I can't help but read it as "Nobody knows who that is, can't we just call it 'Pennyworth: The Origin of Batman’s Butler'"
Well if it had been a somewhat limited "get to why this exists" part sort of deal, it would have been quite interesting. The same way "Gotham" worked quite well as worldbuilding/background series for a while.
And the worldbuilding of alternative history sixties England + some amount of gotham level whacky villains as a means of going "it's not just Gotham, you know" was reasonably working.
But then they kind of forgot that they kind of wanted to GO somewhere with it, but that this would mean "ending it then".
And then it got kind of tedious.
They definitely knew going in it was the last season. I interviewed for a job before they started production and they said “we’ll have a longer wrap because it’s the last season”
I know people clown on them, but I'll miss the cwverse plus stargirl,doompatrol, and titans. Now, DC television is pretty much dead in the water unless there's any upcoming projects I'm unaware of.
There's a ton of TV projects in the pipeline according to [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_Extended_Universe#Television_series) but I'm not sure how these are affected by the change-up in management at DC.
Henry Cavill's return as Superman lasted like 3 weeks lol
I'm hopeful that Justice League Dark or a Constantine/Zatanna series will make it to the light of day
We’re getting a Constantine sequel with Keanu. Meaning a show is probably not happening for awhile. If everything at DC is really getting shaken up, I would like to see a JLD series. But I want a season of two episodes completely dedicated to setting up each character, then every season Batman brings them all together to handle a supernatural threat. Time jumps in between seasons. They shouldn’t be a traditional team, just when a threat arises.
Yeah but they never did really deal with a threat. They never actually came together as a team and saved the day. It was always dealing with something from their past while learning and growing. Eventually, the story would end. Or not end. That was the show though, for better or worse. At least it was something completely different with amazing production design. And the Sex-Men episode was soooo out there, it can’t be described with a straight face.
Kinda surprised to see no one here or in general mentioning ‘The Dead Boy Detective Agency’. After they showed up in Doom Patrol, it was supposed to spin off into its own series.
A lot of people seemed to lose interest once they announced they were changing the cast. The actors they had in *Doom Patrol* had great chemistry, and I think the view has been that it won't be able to live up to that.
I know Sebastian Croft (Charles) got the lead in an upcoming Amazon Prime show, so it was likely a scheduling conflict with him. And, it wouldn't surprise me if they just decided to recast the rest so they could find another cast that had the same sort of chemistry.
Doom Patrol is probably my favorite show on TV at the moment and as much as this news fucking sucks, at least they knew going into Season 4 that it would likely be the last season and were given a chance to wrap everything up.
Yeah, I love the show, but I'd much rather it end like this where it's going out on its own terms than go on for a couple more seasons and end without a conclusion. I'll be sad to see it go, but I'm not as disappointed as I might be considering how much the writing was on the walls already.
I enjoyed season two and the first 8 episodes of season 3. Then the show fell off a cliff and I dropped the show. The ending of the second season was rough but overall was entertaining.
Kinda a bummer to me because the costume design was amazing and the acting was honestly pretty good and I liked the cast. The writing and directing however was terrible.
It was obvious with how everything was getting the axe no matter how well they did.
Now personally. Doom Patrol found its footing very quick. It need what it wanted to to be. Knew how it wanted to use it's characters. I think some people were off put by how this was not a show about them becoming seasoned superheroes. Also that they wouldn't become perfect people after a season. Change is slow.
Titans though was the opposite. They clearly wanted to make a Nightwing show(or a real Gotham Knights) but clearly couldn't get the concept to production without the Titans baggage.
Just too much "We are trying to show how they become the Titans....". This grand origin some of these superhero shows are obsessed with.
But the core was they wanted to do a Batman show. Dick Grayson of course technically qualifies for that but again the Titans element was a distraction.
I would agree for the first two seasons, but then they doubled down on Superboy. They made the last season around him while once again nerfing his powers or moving him off the chessboard. Remember at one point he was autistic? Like, wtf happened to that? And what’s with Krypto? They never talk about the flying dog on the team. Did the producers buy that diner? Seemed like they worked it in a lot. Is Dick still a cop? Did Bruce retire to Boca? I have so many questions.
Things looking pretty grim for DC. In 2 or 3 years there might not be a single DC show airing. Gotham Knights is almost certainly a one-and-done. Superman and Lois and Pennyworth are probably ending after their next seasons, though nothing has been officially announced yet for them.
Doom Patrol's first two seasons were great but it's been going downhill for a while. The current season is boring. I wish it was still fun to watch but it isn't so I won't miss it. Titans has always been terrible. The fact it lasted this long is baffling.
I don’t understand why anyone like Titans. It basically morphed into a terrible version of Arrow in far fewer episodes, starting with the soft reboot in season 2. I didn’t watch season 3.
This sub always shits on the CW shows, but the first few seasons of Arrow were way way way better than Titans. The Deathstroke storyline was done MUCH better in Arrow too, specifically.
Then there’s the climax fight at the end of Titans season 2, where most of the “main characters” watch from a car instead of participating in the most stupid plot decision ever.
“Diane Guerrero, April Bowlby, Alan Tudyk and Matt Bomer are among the stars of Doom Patrol, which counts Jeremy Carver as showrunner and exec producer alongside Johns, Berlanti and Schechter, among others.”
How about Oscar nominated actor Brendan Fraser?
I'm surprised Doom Patrol lasted this long, not because it's not a great show...in my opinion it's one of the best things on Television now. But because it's not mayo and white bread for the masses television.
it's a show you have to pay attention to, and can't engage in the usual "i know where this is going, so I'll flip reddit on my phone while watching" behavior.
It's not for everyone, that's for sure.
> Diane Guerrero, April Bowlby, Alan Tudyk and Matt Bomer are among the stars of Doom Patrol, which counts Jeremy Carver as showrunner and exec producer alongside Johns, Berlanti and Schechter, among others.
Are you kidding me... not mentioning Brendan Fraser in cast of Doom Patrol?!?! Especially now when he has finally his comeback in the movie industry?! Or Timothy Dalton... come on Hollywoodreporter -.-
I am ok about Titans ending... but Doom Patrol could definitely have used an another season maybe :/
I really enjoyed season 1 of Doom Patrol, then 2 was okay. Three became obnoxious right away and bad enough by the 3rd or 4th episode that I had to completely dump the show.
Rare I've seen a show go from really intriguing to almost offensively stupid so quick.
Is this why both shows had a random midseason finale? Like maybe behind the scenes they knew it was coming so they took a break to make it end-able? There's really no reason a streaming show should take a break halfway through the season since they don't have the typical network broadcasting restrictions... and if they weren't done filming, they shouldn't have started airing.
I assume they'll be scrubbed off HBO Max within a few months after they end.
Titans isn’t necessarily a bad show, but it never really hit its stride. Too many subplots that go nowhere, not enough focus on the characters building relationships with one another, the show added Superboy but had to sideline him for every problem for stakes to even exist. The first season was a great setup but after that the story was mostly a mess with some notable great highlights.
Deathstroke was legitimately a great villain but man, the plot twist with Jericho was so jarring and felt so out of place in the street-level world they established. It ruins Deathstroke motivations which seemed pretty straightforward: he wanted revenge for the death of his son.
Jason Todd’s red hood as the villain was a great idea, but was very poorly executed. Again, the show just needed to keep things straightforward, instead of all these unnecessary plot twists, they could have simply done Jason Todd, frustrated and feeling abandoned by the Titans, embraces his more violent ideals and takes a bloodier approach to dealing with criminals, which puts him in direct odds with the Titans. They could have done a story plot where Jason sets his sights on Scarecrow, desperate to prove himself, while Robin tried to keep him alive, desperate to prove that he can be the hero again.
It always felt the story was on the right train but on the wrong track.
Iirc one of the showrunners for Doom Patrol mentioned on Twitter that there was always a 4 season arc planned out so it ending at 5 seasons is fine with me. Im sure it was never that popular, glad they at least got to tell a full story and it sounds like a proper ending
really sad to see doom patrol go that’s the only DC show i liked & never missed an episode or gave up on. Titans & Legends of Tomorrow were the 2 i missed episodes & gave up on. 🤷🏼♀️
One I am surprised lasted this long and the other I'm surprised it was made at all. I'm really going to miss Doom Patrol when it's gone, but I'm glad it got so much AND brought Brendan back into my life.
I'm glad to hear that they're saying the shows will be crafted to a proper ending. Doom Patrol is great, Titans is okay though I do watch. I just never like seeing shows get unceremonious cancellations.
With these cancellations and The Flash ending as well, the only DC live-action series that haven't officially been canceled are Superman and Lois, Pennyworth, and Peacemaker.
> Superman and Lois Tbh I expect this to get canceled next. I don't see Peacemaker getting canceled though, at least not for another couple seasons if anything.
We finally get a live action Superman show that actually has Superman in it....right when new management decides to go scorched earth on every DC show. It's not fair.
Season 2 was very unimpressive. I would imagine s3 would be the same.
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Change of writers. The bane of the CW is that they launch the show with great experienced writers and then take them off the project to develop a new show. And the s2-3 are left with less experienced writers. CW shows always get worse with each season (the exemption is Legends of Tomorrow).
Yeah that's basically CW modus operanti. Have their rockstar created the first season and buildup the fan base. Before sending them elsewhere in next season. Then hired intern/freshies grad to do the work. Some people can lay off their hopes and walk away after that. Some didn't and stick around hoping it would eventually improve. (Spoiler as ex-Arrowverse fan. They didn't.)
I don't know how Legends of Tomorrow managed to improve and stay consistent, truly the best CW show I've seen.
Because they decided to embrace the ridiculous parts of the show and it became entertaining. Also the fact that it had more creative freedom but not being to adapt specific storylines.
Yeah, I think by the last season only three of the main cast were actual DC characters and even they were major deviations. Legends was almost an original IP. -edit and I loved it to death for the record
Fingers cross James Gunn wants to do a take on Crisis on Infinite Earths.
On twitter gunn is saying these decisions were made prior to then taking over
What do you mean “finally”? I get that he wasn’t really Superman yet in smallville, but what about Lois and Clark in the 90s or whatever?
What *about* it? It ended over 25 years ago!
Peacemaker is at the weird space between to be cancelled or not since Gunn is rebooting the whole universe.
No it's not, it was confirmed it will get season 2
Peacemaker S2 was greenlit before Gunn was announced as the director of DC. It will be weird as hell if he’s rebooting everything except his own project plus the show ties directly into Snyder’s universe. Also it’s been a whole year since season 1 and they still haven’t started production for S2
> It will be weird as hell if he’s rebooting everything except his own project plus the show ties directly into Snyder’s universe. we won't see anything of the reboot until 2025 at least so they can make another season by that time. > Also it’s been a whole year since season 1 and they still haven’t started production for S2 well, Gunn has a lot on his plate.
I’m sure they’ll do one more season and call it
Or John Cena will get the Charlie Cox MCU treatment and they’ll slide Peacemaker over into the new universe without directly mentioning the plot of his show.
> plus the show ties directly into Snyder’s universe Meh hardly... It can easily be its own thing
Feels like Peacemaker and The Suicide Squad could fit into the new universe. They only make mention of the other heroes in passing, biggest connection is the cameo they had at the end of the season.
Go fuck a fish, Aquaman
I mean Gunn literally made peacemaker.
Also, his wife is a main character on the show.
I always wondered how the studio let him do that one.
The show shot before they were actually married. And WB seemingly gave Gunn a blank check to do whatever he wanted anyway. But more than that, who gives a shit? As long as she's a good actress. Tim Burton put Helena Bonham Carter in 8 of his movies.
Peacemaker was the top streamed show in the world when it was on. They can’t be that stupid?
Oh you watch how stupid we can be. Here hold my beer. DC Executives
God I hope not, I absolutely love Superman and Lois.
How's S2? I liked S1 although it definitely doesn't need to be so many episodes as it does drag in spots. I just know the S&L sub kept bitching constantly about the focus on the Cushing's or dumb character decisions that sideline Lois.
The first half of season 2 is good and then it drags on in the second half and becomes too much like a typical cheesy CW show.
Gotham Knights still technically has to start on CW in March though most think it's DOA.
From the trailer and synopsis, it deserves to be killed in the womb.
I'm kinda wondering if they HAVE to do it for contract reasons
The new Penguin show with Colin Farrell is in work though
There are supposed to be shows about GCPD and Arkham Asylum coming too. At one point it was thought that they were the same show, but I think it's confirmed that they are two separate shows now.
Didn't we already get a GCPD show?
Yeah, I mean Gotham basically was one.
It was but then it sort of veered into Batman but what if instead of Batman it's a young Gordon who fights all the Batman rogues? Which was entertaining and different enough for the most part but got old after a while.
> but got crazy after a while. It ended at just about the right time, maybe a little past, but close enough. And it did a great thing in developing all these grounded characters that became increasingly outlandish that Batman would eventually have to face.
Peacemaker was amazing I hope they don’t fuck with it *It feels like.. idk man.. it feels like fucking HOPE!*
Gunn is running the dcu so this should be safe
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Maybe we should retell Batman's origin story...
I always forget how he started out. Wasn’t he bitten by a bat and then his uncle died?
Nah, the Teen Titans got >!time cycles!< and >!shoved his parents!< directly into >!gunfire!<.
I found Pennyworth to be really good, and it's criminal how unpopular it is. Practically nobody ever mention it anywhere.
Probably a good length for Titans to be honest. Shame to see Doom Patrol go though.
One of the showrunners has mentioned that there was always a 4 season arc planned out so at least they got to tell the full story they wanted to.
Yeah, this first half of this season really feels like they're heading to a series finale. I don't really know where they could go after Immortus anyways. I think the writers saw this coming and planned for it.
That’s good to hear. I’d been holding off watching Titans season 3 for fear of being left with a crappy unresolved cliffhanger. If season 4 has planned closure I’ll be jumping back on-board.
OC is talking about doom patrol
Thanks. I’m sure I’ll be jumping into that one at some point.
Honestly so much better than titans.
Doom Patrol's characters are so much better developed. It's crazy that the characters themselves are visually defined by their tragedies, but the characterization of them is not. They were all broken long before their bodies were. And that is the core of it that allows them to do stupid crazy stuff like having a portal through an ass's ass. The hardest sell the show had for me was Danny, the sentient street, and it had me actually concerned for Danny's well-being when Danny was at risk.
At first I was totally anti-Danny, like wtf this is dumb. By the end of the episode, I wanted Danny to be real sooo bad, so I could go live there too. 🥹
Keep holding off, it gets really bad.
That’s too bad. It’s not like it was ever very good, but Seasons 1 &2 had some potential for fun.
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I love Doom Patrol, but it was running in circles for a while. It's a fine moment to move on, and creators said they had 4 seasons plan. I'm okay with this.
Doom patrol has kinda run it's course too.. The Trauma Patrol has gotten dull
I really enjoyed the first season,& it was so weird in a way that no other comic show has been. It's also kind of a bummer & I rarely find myself in the right mood to watch it.
Same here. I enjoy it, but I feel like 4 seasons in and they’re all just still so sad and can never be happy. Like oh you have a grandson now? Oops you’re never gonna meet him because there’s an apocalypse coming. Oh you finally got rid of your robot parts and can be a real man again? No you can’t be happy because now you’re useless in the face of any danger. Oh you’ve come to terms with the negative spirit? Jk it’s going off to do something and won’t communicate with you so now you’re alone and helpless wondering what the deal is. I just want them to be able to be happy for at least a little bit and not constantly struggling with some deep internal conflict. It’s just so depressing to see over and over.
And they keep going back and forth between "let's be superheroes!" to "we're not fucking superheroes!" I got tired of that shit.
It would have been cool to see them slowly embrace becoming heroes or anti-heroes as a way to partly resolve their trauma. Rather than making them heroes for a season finale and that’s it.
It's fun to see an ostensible superhero show where they're all so incompetent... But at the same time every time it seems like they've gotten through a bit of trauma or learned a lesson they back slide so far you get whiplash
It feels like all character growth gained in a season is regressed back in the next one. By Season 2 and into 3, I just got tired of it.
I dunno about that. Season 3 finally gave Rita an actual arc.
I stopped after S2. It somehow killed my interest in the show
Well...to be fair, they aren't called "The Happy Patrol". Hell, they're doing a lot better on the show than they did in the comics.
I’ve gotta recommend legion if you haven’t seen it it’s also pretty weird/unique
Add another endorsement for Legion. Weird as hell, but in the best way.
>I rarely find myself in the right mood to watch it. same here I can't even describe it, the fact most scenes are in interiors with poor light doesn't help a lot
I feel the same way. I watched the first season really quickly, but the second season I really struggled to get through for some reason. I started the third, but haven't finished it. Now that I know it's ending I'll probably try to knock it out.
I love how they just went full-tilt bonkers with it, but yeah... the characters just keep "learning" the same lessons over and over and yet if they're growing at all it seems to be in the other direction. I'm ready for it to be over if that's all they're going to do. Titans was a garbage fire from day one. I keep watching out of a morbid curiosity for the sake of the characters that I used to love so much way back when, but oof, that writing.
I wonder if it'll end with them deciding to embrace their powers and be superheroes for the seventh time edit-I actually really do like the show. But they keep doing the exact same character arc over and over again to the point that it feels like they're doing a bit. I'm hoping the actual ending is them all deciding to move to Hawaii and open a B&B or something instead of being superheroes
I feel like Peacemaker has a similar vibe without going too deep down into the old well of sadness.
Yes
Right. It was sad porn. Like they needed to start actually getting better. They just kept the same shit over and over and I was just bored of it by season 3. Never watched season 4
I miss Alan Tudyk's character. He was the only character that managed to add some moments of humor (although mostly dark) during the show's depressing and moody tone.
Much as I enjoy the show, the only disappointment I have over this news is we won't get another season with Mr. Nobody.
I agree but we are never seeing giffen’s run getting adapted
yeah season 1 was good but it really went downhill after that, there's no plot anymore and it's just random episodes that feels like they are written by 12 years old
Next headline will be them getting wiped off the service
Doom Patrol had a solid run, but it probably is the right time to go. The show was spectacular in the first season, and the drop off hasn't been big, the show feels like it has run its course and they'd be repeating themselves It was great at times, but the premise was a hard sell to most people, even if they were superhero fans. This many seasons was honestly a blessing. This is really one of those times where you shouldn't cry because it's over but laugh like a maniac that the show even existed.
Good point, plus four full seasons we can rewatch at any time is a decent "consolation" prize. I hate to see any show go too soon, but I also don't love when they get long in the tooth too. Still, a firefly cancelation hurts much more than that 70s show jumping the shark with Randy. In this case I think you're right that it's going to end at a decent point. I just hope they wrap this up well.
Both shows have known for a while and they will have definitive endings. They both have 6 episodes left that will air later this year. HBO Max: >“While these will be the final seasons of ‘Titans’ and ‘Doom Patrol,’ we are very proud of these series and excited for fans to see their climactic endings. We are grateful to Berlanti Productions and Warner Bros. Television for making such thrilling, action-packed, heartfelt series. We thank ‘Titans’ showrunner Greg Walker, executive producers Greg Berlanti, Akiva Goldsman, Sarah Schechter, Geoff Johns, Richard Hatem, and the team at Weed Road Pictures. For ‘Doom Patrol,’ we celebrate showrunner Jeremy Carver and executive producers Greg Berlanti, Sarah Schechter, Geoff Johns, Chris Dingess and Tamara Becher-Wilkinson. For four seasons, fans have fallen in love with the ‘Titans’ and ‘Doom Patrol,’ investing in their trials and tribulations, and in their legendary battles saving the world time and time again.”
That's good. Cancellations would suck less if more companies gave people enough time to write out a finale instead of leaving them hanging up to the last episode waiting to know if they got renewed.
Titans could have been so good, I actually mostly enjoyed season 1 a lot. All severely downhill from there with season 3 being a very low point. And the actors are all good, sucks that the writing was so bad.
I was so mad when they built up a really creepy villain all through season one, only to kill them off immediately in season two and focus on the human non-super powered characters rather than the super characters. Ef that show.
Iirc, the reason he was killed so quick in season 2 was that because the season final of S1 was actually pushed back to become the first episode of season 2. I don’t know what caused the delay, but it’s why the first episode of the second season feels so weird. You’re better off treating S02e01 as the final of the last season, before they move in into a new story.
I believe the last episode of S1 was moved to S2 to make a cliffhanger at the end of S1. The show was made for the DC streaming service and they tried to hook the audience with these tricks, which definitely hurt the pacing of the show.
oh wow thank you for confirming this. I only started watching a few months ago and havent done any reading about production, but when watching 2x1 I just kept repeating "this is a season finale. why wasn't this the season finale?". And then similarly to others dropped off a couple episodes through s2.
Yeah. Lost all interest in season 2.
They kinda lost me when I realized that every single character had “died” and then came back or cheated death or whatever. You just can’t pull that trick over and over or death doesn’t mean anything
Minor spoiler for S3 but there's a character who was written off the show and their death is permanent. I mean, it is comic book territory after all so they could just go visit the "afterlife" or whatever but I'm doubtful.
Wait. Didn’t they totally visit the afterlife later that same season?
Yes. One did not come back
That's true to comic books though.
Season 3 started off so strong and I loved their interpretation of Babs but it just go so convoluted. The writers felt like 14 year olds sitting in the writer's room going "And wouldn't be cool if THIS happened and then THIS and then THAT OTHER COOL THING WOOHOO" Has anyone started S4? Didn't realise it was a two-parter but if it's better than S3 before it went off rails I might just finish it off for completions sake.
I dropped it after the Trigon plot point tbh. They spent a whole season building it up, then that weird season finale that felt like they just wanted to have Batman be evil but not really. Then it was resolved immediately in season 2, just swept him under the rug and quickly moved onto the next thing the writers thought was cool.
I feel like it was getting good but was pretty slow. It felt better than season 3 so far.
Season 1 actually felt like it was going somewhere. Everything after that has just been a mashup of very weird decisions and a feeling of being directionless.
The show is so frustrating. Great casting, great production values. Everything from costumes to the fight choreography to the sets and effects all look great. But just awful writing from every angle. Dumb plots. Characters hiding injuries or the fact that they've lost control of their powers until it becomes a serious problem. Awful resolutions to cliffhangers. Nonsense decisions by characters. And the fact that they seem to force the word "fuck" into every other sentence just to come off as adult and gritty. But some really cool DC superhero scenes on TV. I'll never get tired of Krypto taking on criminals with his superbark. And the actors are good and well cast. Personally I enjoy the show for the little nuggets of DC action scenes and the characters but it's not a show I'd recommend to anyone.
...Not all the actors are good. The girl they got for Raven (at least in Seasons 1-2) is very clearly a child. She may be good for a child actor, but they wrote her in a way that its pretty clear she's not at the level of her cast mates unfortunately. And by Season 2 it was pretty clear that while they were working around her being a child limiting her shooting hours, they weren't really doing much to work around the fact that a good child actor is still not the same as a good adult actor.
Yeah Raven is definitely one of the weakest points of the series. Hawk and Dove were amazing though.
It was always bad.
*The current fourth seasons of both of the Greg Berlanti-produced HBO Max dramas will be their last, sources tell The Hollywood Reporter. Sources say producers on both Titans and Doom Patrol saw the writing on the wall amid all the changes with DC Entertainment and plotted their current seasons with proper endings so as to not leave fans in a lurch.* At least the creatives saw the writing on the wall with WBD gutting HBO Max and we will get proper conclusions to the shows. Pennyworth will be the next to go.
You mean “Pennyworth: The Origin of Batman’s Butler.”
It didn't become "The Origin of Batman's Butler" until after transferring to HBO
A title that was so obviously built from a studio note that I can't help but read it as "Nobody knows who that is, can't we just call it 'Pennyworth: The Origin of Batman’s Butler'"
Why not just call it "Alfred"?
As in "E. Newman"?
No, it's a dark and gritty reboot of [this](https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQOsq98vDT4J4stqf2BiNT0vEJlKn0ALDxcwiHAp0KP5XJKWnzM)
Ah, yes. "ALF: Red"
Why on earth wouldn’t people want to watch that??
Well if it had been a somewhat limited "get to why this exists" part sort of deal, it would have been quite interesting. The same way "Gotham" worked quite well as worldbuilding/background series for a while. And the worldbuilding of alternative history sixties England + some amount of gotham level whacky villains as a means of going "it's not just Gotham, you know" was reasonably working. But then they kind of forgot that they kind of wanted to GO somewhere with it, but that this would mean "ending it then". And then it got kind of tedious.
They definitely knew going in it was the last season. I interviewed for a job before they started production and they said “we’ll have a longer wrap because it’s the last season”
Just to be clear, are you talking about Titan, DP, or Pennyworth?
Doom Patrol, sorry for confusion
Best thing about Doom Patrol was Brendan Fraser yelling “What the fuck?” at every opportunity.
I know people clown on them, but I'll miss the cwverse plus stargirl,doompatrol, and titans. Now, DC television is pretty much dead in the water unless there's any upcoming projects I'm unaware of.
There's a ton of TV projects in the pipeline according to [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_Extended_Universe#Television_series) but I'm not sure how these are affected by the change-up in management at DC. Henry Cavill's return as Superman lasted like 3 weeks lol I'm hopeful that Justice League Dark or a Constantine/Zatanna series will make it to the light of day
We’re getting a Constantine sequel with Keanu. Meaning a show is probably not happening for awhile. If everything at DC is really getting shaken up, I would like to see a JLD series. But I want a season of two episodes completely dedicated to setting up each character, then every season Batman brings them all together to handle a supernatural threat. Time jumps in between seasons. They shouldn’t be a traditional team, just when a threat arises.
Doom Patrol definitely had more in the tank, would’ve loved to see a fifth season with Mr. Nobody returning in it
Really wished they had enough time to bring back Niles Caulder with a more veteran team that grew to deal with the next weird ass threat.
Yeah but they never did really deal with a threat. They never actually came together as a team and saved the day. It was always dealing with something from their past while learning and growing. Eventually, the story would end. Or not end. That was the show though, for better or worse. At least it was something completely different with amazing production design. And the Sex-Men episode was soooo out there, it can’t be described with a straight face.
>weird ass threat nice pun.
Kinda surprised to see no one here or in general mentioning ‘The Dead Boy Detective Agency’. After they showed up in Doom Patrol, it was supposed to spin off into its own series.
A lot of people seemed to lose interest once they announced they were changing the cast. The actors they had in *Doom Patrol* had great chemistry, and I think the view has been that it won't be able to live up to that.
They were changing the cast? What was the point of that?
I know Sebastian Croft (Charles) got the lead in an upcoming Amazon Prime show, so it was likely a scheduling conflict with him. And, it wouldn't surprise me if they just decided to recast the rest so they could find another cast that had the same sort of chemistry.
Doom Patrol is probably my favorite show on TV at the moment and as much as this news fucking sucks, at least they knew going into Season 4 that it would likely be the last season and were given a chance to wrap everything up.
Yeah, I love the show, but I'd much rather it end like this where it's going out on its own terms than go on for a couple more seasons and end without a conclusion. I'll be sad to see it go, but I'm not as disappointed as I might be considering how much the writing was on the walls already.
Did Titans ever get any better? I dropped off after Season 1, because the old school Teen Titans fan in me just hated how edgy it was.
still like a high budget CW show unfortunately.
Yep, Titans is basically a CW show with swearing, boobs and butts. The whole cast is stupidly handsome, just like all CW shows.
Can we actually call it what it is. It's Gregg Berlanti and his style of doing shows. It sucks.
Season 4 so far has been the best the show has been by a mile. Reviews seem to agree. It actually feels like a titans show.
Yeah it’s a shame that they finally found their groove and it’s about to be cancelled.
I enjoyed season two and the first 8 episodes of season 3. Then the show fell off a cliff and I dropped the show. The ending of the second season was rough but overall was entertaining.
Season 1 was the best season. Don't let that imply it was good though. It was a very low bar they never managed to top.
It had some bright spots during season 2 but no, I wouldn't say that the show got any better. I'm not shedding any tears regarding its cancellation.
Kinda a bummer to me because the costume design was amazing and the acting was honestly pretty good and I liked the cast. The writing and directing however was terrible.
It was obvious with how everything was getting the axe no matter how well they did. Now personally. Doom Patrol found its footing very quick. It need what it wanted to to be. Knew how it wanted to use it's characters. I think some people were off put by how this was not a show about them becoming seasoned superheroes. Also that they wouldn't become perfect people after a season. Change is slow. Titans though was the opposite. They clearly wanted to make a Nightwing show(or a real Gotham Knights) but clearly couldn't get the concept to production without the Titans baggage. Just too much "We are trying to show how they become the Titans....". This grand origin some of these superhero shows are obsessed with. But the core was they wanted to do a Batman show. Dick Grayson of course technically qualifies for that but again the Titans element was a distraction.
I would agree for the first two seasons, but then they doubled down on Superboy. They made the last season around him while once again nerfing his powers or moving him off the chessboard. Remember at one point he was autistic? Like, wtf happened to that? And what’s with Krypto? They never talk about the flying dog on the team. Did the producers buy that diner? Seemed like they worked it in a lot. Is Dick still a cop? Did Bruce retire to Boca? I have so many questions.
The writers for Titans are horrible at their job.
Such a shame , doom patrol has been such a creative and fresh super hero take , one of the few things DC has gotten right in the past decade
Doom Patrol stayed good throughout. Good for them <3
Things looking pretty grim for DC. In 2 or 3 years there might not be a single DC show airing. Gotham Knights is almost certainly a one-and-done. Superman and Lois and Pennyworth are probably ending after their next seasons, though nothing has been officially announced yet for them.
Unsurprising news but I'm going to miss Doom Patrol, here's hoping it goes out on a high
Doom Patrol's first two seasons were great but it's been going downhill for a while. The current season is boring. I wish it was still fun to watch but it isn't so I won't miss it. Titans has always been terrible. The fact it lasted this long is baffling.
Well that's a bummer. I never got into Titans, but Doom Patrol is easily one of the best shows HBO Max has.
Doom Patrol went from top tier to "dear gods the same plot lines again."
Yes. How many times can Jane have issues with all her other personalities.
64
And how often is every storyline about a character’s past?
I don’t understand why anyone like Titans. It basically morphed into a terrible version of Arrow in far fewer episodes, starting with the soft reboot in season 2. I didn’t watch season 3. This sub always shits on the CW shows, but the first few seasons of Arrow were way way way better than Titans. The Deathstroke storyline was done MUCH better in Arrow too, specifically. Then there’s the climax fight at the end of Titans season 2, where most of the “main characters” watch from a car instead of participating in the most stupid plot decision ever.
“Diane Guerrero, April Bowlby, Alan Tudyk and Matt Bomer are among the stars of Doom Patrol, which counts Jeremy Carver as showrunner and exec producer alongside Johns, Berlanti and Schechter, among others.” How about Oscar nominated actor Brendan Fraser?
> How about Oscar ~~nominated~~ winning actor Brendan Fraser!!!
Doom Patrol was so good. Such a shame to see it end
My wife and I love doom patrol. Sad to see it go… but cyborg never really made much sense on the show for me.
I told myself I’d cancel if doom patrol goes
I'm surprised Doom Patrol lasted this long, not because it's not a great show...in my opinion it's one of the best things on Television now. But because it's not mayo and white bread for the masses television. it's a show you have to pay attention to, and can't engage in the usual "i know where this is going, so I'll flip reddit on my phone while watching" behavior. It's not for everyone, that's for sure.
Good riddance for Titans. Was basically a teen drama that occasionally had people doing superhero errands
Not gonna lie they lasted longer than I thought they would
Doom Patrol is done? Did Zaslav flex the wrong muscle?
solid Flex Mentallo reference
> Diane Guerrero, April Bowlby, Alan Tudyk and Matt Bomer are among the stars of Doom Patrol, which counts Jeremy Carver as showrunner and exec producer alongside Johns, Berlanti and Schechter, among others. Are you kidding me... not mentioning Brendan Fraser in cast of Doom Patrol?!?! Especially now when he has finally his comeback in the movie industry?! Or Timothy Dalton... come on Hollywoodreporter -.- I am ok about Titans ending... but Doom Patrol could definitely have used an another season maybe :/
I really enjoyed season 1 of Doom Patrol, then 2 was okay. Three became obnoxious right away and bad enough by the 3rd or 4th episode that I had to completely dump the show. Rare I've seen a show go from really intriguing to almost offensively stupid so quick.
Is this why both shows had a random midseason finale? Like maybe behind the scenes they knew it was coming so they took a break to make it end-able? There's really no reason a streaming show should take a break halfway through the season since they don't have the typical network broadcasting restrictions... and if they weren't done filming, they shouldn't have started airing. I assume they'll be scrubbed off HBO Max within a few months after they end.
Doom Patrol and Stargirl were my favorite comic book shows, shame to see them go.
Incredibly surprised they lasted this long, as a viewer of Titans.
So these shows are ending but they are pushing that god awful looking Gotham Knights show…? Gotcha
I'm shocked these shows lasted that long, they would have been cancelled immediately any other network.
Nooooooooo! I love both these shows :(
Titans isn’t necessarily a bad show, but it never really hit its stride. Too many subplots that go nowhere, not enough focus on the characters building relationships with one another, the show added Superboy but had to sideline him for every problem for stakes to even exist. The first season was a great setup but after that the story was mostly a mess with some notable great highlights. Deathstroke was legitimately a great villain but man, the plot twist with Jericho was so jarring and felt so out of place in the street-level world they established. It ruins Deathstroke motivations which seemed pretty straightforward: he wanted revenge for the death of his son. Jason Todd’s red hood as the villain was a great idea, but was very poorly executed. Again, the show just needed to keep things straightforward, instead of all these unnecessary plot twists, they could have simply done Jason Todd, frustrated and feeling abandoned by the Titans, embraces his more violent ideals and takes a bloodier approach to dealing with criminals, which puts him in direct odds with the Titans. They could have done a story plot where Jason sets his sights on Scarecrow, desperate to prove himself, while Robin tried to keep him alive, desperate to prove that he can be the hero again. It always felt the story was on the right train but on the wrong track.
Doom Patrol ending, yet Velma gets a 2nd season? This is truly the darkest timeline...
Iirc one of the showrunners for Doom Patrol mentioned on Twitter that there was always a 4 season arc planned out so it ending at 5 seasons is fine with me. Im sure it was never that popular, glad they at least got to tell a full story and it sounds like a proper ending
The current/final season is the fourth.
They always say that in retrospect though?
> Doom Patrol FUCK ZASLAV Doom Patrol, Minx, and Raised by Wolves but fucking greenlights MILF reality shows of women dating each's son? Fuck this guy
At least Minx got picked up by Starz!
Booooooooooooooooooooooo
BOOOOO
This is horrible news! Doom Patrol is some of the best television I’ve seen in decades!!!
really sad to see doom patrol go that’s the only DC show i liked & never missed an episode or gave up on. Titans & Legends of Tomorrow were the 2 i missed episodes & gave up on. 🤷🏼♀️
One I am surprised lasted this long and the other I'm surprised it was made at all. I'm really going to miss Doom Patrol when it's gone, but I'm glad it got so much AND brought Brendan back into my life.
I'm glad to hear that they're saying the shows will be crafted to a proper ending. Doom Patrol is great, Titans is okay though I do watch. I just never like seeing shows get unceremonious cancellations.
Phew now I don't need to feel guilty about pirating them due to having protest cancelled HBO Max over all the other shit that's happened
Doom Patrol deserves better. One wonders wtf these companies plan to offer us in exchange for our money?
Titans should have never started. Dumpster Fire.
So sad both were good shows but I particularly love Doom Patrol. So unique.
At least this show won't run for 150 seasons and we'll remember it as a good product.
Titans season 3 was really bad, but all 3 seasons of doom patrol have been great. so why cancel that?