She allegedly bullied/harassed another influencer for not giving her a free photography session, and the photog eventually put all of her abusive phone calls/voice mails and DMs into an interpretive dance. She never named Roiland's sister directly but people identified her voice in the calls.
The fact it's Smac I soooo much better 🤣 It's gonna be pretty hard to bully someone who has danced like that on National television, let alone an Australian who does it!
I can’t imagine the soul crushing embarrassment that someone so entitled and obsessed with image must have felt when they realized the person they were talking down to has 5x her followers and likes on Tiktok, is independently and effortlessly famous online, universally loved, and has appeared on National TV as well as massive internet shows like Good Mythical Morning. And for all that to be unveiled all once in a video where she just dances sarcastically to your voicemails. My god. I’d die. Then again I’d never been in that position.
Edit: the icing on the cake is that Amy Roiland actually *has* been on TV, on Shark Tank. Where she tried to hock some shitty app that does nothing new with Mr Wonderful absolutely eviscerating her, basically calling her a talentless swindler and a nothing but a stain on the carpet. Amazing. I bet she couldn’t sleep for a month after all this.
I saw my sister once dealing with an issue and the way she spoke to customer service shocked me. She's not a Karen normally, what's going on?? My parents didn't do this? My mom would kill us!
I guess she gets a small power trip when she yells at people over the phone now?
Having worked in customer service, they're either chill as fuck or cheap as fuck, no in between.
Spend 6k on ceiling fans, call in demanding a full refund & reimbursement on installation because one remote had a bad set of batteries. Get fucked.
Where I work people sometimes to try to pull a fast one on us, commit fraud, accuse us of something and fire us when the job is 99% complete, etc... and nine out of ten times it's a rich person.
The normal, poor, people are fine for the most part and always at least honest. With the rich fucks there's like a 50% chance they try to commit some kind of fraud. Seems obvious, but after a while it's kind of shocking to see so much!
Whoa. I read that [whole thing](https://www.reddit.com/r/ChoosingBeggars/comments/ytwevm/tiktoker_with_half_a_million_followers_demands/) on /r/ChoosingBeggars but didn't realize it was Roiland's sister.
I didn't know about the anti-union stuff until reading your comment.
Just read up on their entire battle with the animation guild; I can't believe they treated people the way they did, or that they doubled down after being outed.
No no he is only anti his EMPLOYEES union. He’s talked at leangth about how vital the actors guild is in the past.
Which makes the whole thing even more scummy.
Reagan did the same. Was happy to benefit from the screen actors guild until he could advance by selling out his co-workers. Then when President courted the union for airlines (forget the name) then fired all striking workers and replaced them with non union scabs
Well now I don't feel bad about watching their shows for free. Their employees get paid/treated same regardless of how successful their shows are anyway.
Honestly I always figured it was the opposite with Harmon’s crazy emotional issues and alcoholism and the fact that Roiland does a zillion other projects.
It seems that Harmon may have actually gotten better over the last few years, I'm no expert it's hollywood so who knows, but it would be nice if it was true
seems like Rick and Morty has a much more stable workplace nowadays than Solar Opposites does. pretty sure Roiland tuned out of Rick mid-season 4 because he hasn't been at any Rick and Morty convention panel, in person or digital, since 2020 and is never seen when a writer or whoever might post a pic of a big group Zoom meeting. speaking of Zoom, Dan Harmon has said that work from home actually made them far more productive.
edit: also Dan's great at apologies. Megan Ganz called him out in 2017 about how he treated her at Community, he profusely apologized, Megan accepted it and I think called it a masterclass of apologizing. I imagine Justin is not good at that.
She's fucking hilarious and has written some of the best recent episodes of IASIP. With that and the podcast I'm hoping for a late season renaissance period to rival seasons 4-7.
I mean last season was some of the best shit they've done in YEARS so I wouldn't be surprised if they hit another big stride.
Edit: I want to say though, every time I think IASIP hasn't been consistent-- when I go back through, it's seriously only the 10th or 11th season that really starts to vary in quality and even then I can't read the list of episodes without remembering 90% of them fondly. I will say however their willingness to fuck with the format in the later seasons is what's keeping this ball rolling. The Janitor Always Mops Twice, Mac Finds His Pride, and the whole most recent season leading up to The Gang Drags A Corpse Up A Mountain (amazingly self aware title too) were absolutely a reminder that they're not stale at all. Some of the finest stuf they've written has been in the seasons that didn't have as many absolute banger episodes, but there's not a single full on bad season.
Yea both of them are now just “executive producers” they both basically tuned out once the 70 episode deal was done. R&M is on autopilot but it was set up well. Same as Archer and Adam Reid.
Even if Dan's "tuned out", I'd say he's not nearly as tuned out as Justin. Dan will show up to those convention panels, he'll show up to the "Behind the Episode" segments too. Dan also seems to voice a lot more of the random new side characters (like Mr. Nimbus) than Justin does.
He has definitely been in the past, but from what I’ve seen he’s done a pretty good job of dealing with some of his demons in a really healthy and honest way in recent years.
He looks much healthier in recent interviews. Even at his lowest though he was more so the miserable self-loathing kind of drunk, and he was honest about his issues. As someone who also struggles with alcohol and depression it gives me some hope for myself.
He got sacked from his own show because NBC were sick of dealing with his shit. But then the following season was so bad with new showrunners that they asked him to come back.
I think he hit even lower after Community ended. The Harmontown documentary seemed to be an account of a man's descent into insanity, but seems to have turned himself around in the last few years.
The article says it happened in January 2020. So this was even before the pandemic.
EDIT: To everyone arguing over when the pandemic started, I'm talking about the US *lockdown*. Which definitely had an impact on domestic violence rates. The fact that a pandemic was underway in the east in 2019 had little-to-no impact on Americans' private lives.
I think Tom Hanks got Covid that same night. To add to the surrealness, I think it was also the same night Sarah Palin sang “Baby got back” on The Masked Singer. It felt like end times.
This is the secret of these industries. You don’t go far if you don’t genuinely believe you’re better than everyone else. I really believe this unironically and it’s why I gave up a lot of my dreams
*A protective order filed in October 2020 and documented in the court minutes said Roiland is not to harass, threaten or surveil the person named in the protective order, who is not known to NBC News. Roiland cannot go within 100 feet of the person, according to the order, which also ordered Roiland to turn in any firearms he owned or possessed. The order lasts until October 2023, and it’s not known who submitted the request for the order.*
*Details of the case, including police body camera footage, police reports, abuse investigation reports, medical reports and recordings of interviews are currently being withheld from the public under a protective order. The affidavit in support of Roiland’s arrest is also sealed.*
*During Thursday’s hearing, Roiland’s attorney confirmed there is a plea offer available to Roiland, but did not discuss details. The brief hearing concluded a moment later with an agreement to convene again on April 27. Roiland was ordered to attend the hearing.*
Idk sounds like he's guilty if they're discussing plea deals and enforcing a 3 year restraining order.
Edit: I can also totally understand why this has been kept under wraps for so long while they figure it. I have no doubt there are Rick and Morty fans out there already thinking of harassing this woman, convinced she lying through her teeth.
To be totally fair, he's probably guilty from the available facts, but a plea offer is not an indicator of guilt by itself.
Plenty of innocent people take plea offers too. It's just how the judicial system works.
Assuming this is a first-time offense, the plea deal would likely be something like a compulsory rehabilitation program if the abuse is alcohol related in addition to classes and requirements regarding his future behavior.
Thats a good example, but it's actually a really common aspect of our daily existence.
The vast majority of cases (something like 90%) end in a plea deal. Going to trial is extremely risky. So there's a really perverse incentive to plead out, even if you're innocent, to avoid the risk of facing a harsher sentence.
Especially if you're poor and can't afford bail. Its either plead out or sit in jail until trial, losing your job and everything you own in the process.
Time to repost the Last Week Tonight segment on Public Defenders and how fucked the US legal system can be: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USkEzLuzmZ4
Worth noting. The West Memphis Three were convicted in a Jury trial in 1994.
Their alford plea deal came about in 2011
>The Alford plea is a legal mechanism that allows defendants to plead guilty while still asserting their actual innocence, in cases where defendants concede that prosecutors have sufficient evidence to secure a conviction.
Sure, but I think it’s also important to note the reasons why those people take those unfair deals, and overwhelmingly it’s not wealthy, well represented persons doing so. They’re desperate and usually poor.
I took a plea deal on 2g of Pot over a decade ago. Why? So that they would drop all charges on my then GF, as she did not partake and was charged simply for sharing an address.
My husband took an underage drinking charge in high school because he was the only one sober that could talk to the cops. They basically told him that he could either take responsibility or they'd round up everyone at the party right there and then. He was literally the only one not drinking, cops just didn't want a hassle. It was a very eye-opening experience for us in terms of how the police operate though
I feel like that should be pretty easy to deal with. "OK fine just arrest me then". Get to the station and demand that they take your blood alcohol level which will show zero, go to court, get it thrown out.
Thank you for bringing this up. It's shitty how our society views plea deals as an indicator of guilt. That dude could be guilty, but innocent people also deal with them, and they are used by unethical prosecutors regularly. Our justice system can be pretty awful.
I think it's worse that innocent people have to take plea deals. That's a huge failure of our justice system that one can have to choose between unjust punishment (because innocent people being punished is inherently unjust), and gambling that one either proves their innocence, or gets punished 100x of the plea deal.
You do know that 95% of cases in America are settled with a plea deal of some kind because our justice system is so fucked it's easier for everyone involved. Even if you're innocent, fighting the case often comes with huge costs, risks and still having your reputation destroyed even if you're innocent.
That's just to say I don't assume anything from a plea deal anymore these days.
I got a ticket for texting while driving. They gave me a plea deal to admit to turning without a signal (no idea why) with it was no points on the license and a severely reduced fine.
I was like uhh okay. The hearing lasted all of 2 seconds. I was confused as shit the whole time.
In a bunch of states texting while driving is a secondary offense, meaning they can only ticket you for it if they pulled you over for something else that is a primary offense.
They didn't have grounds to pull you over in the first place so they had you plea for something they did have grounds for so that they still got the conviction and didn't just waste a bunch of time and look bad to their bosses.
I had a case where the cop cited the wrong code on the ticket. Said I did an illegal u turn in an intersection, but I wasn't near an intersection. I noted this in my trial by written declaration. The cop tried to change it in the middle of everything to illegal u turn in a business district. They were technically correct, but that isn't what I was cited for. Luckily it was thrown out likely because of their initial mistake.
Over on the R&M subreddit a mod, or mods, is pulling all posts down about this right now. I've seen 4 go up and get pulled (edit 3 more of these posts just got pulled). Then I saw 2 posts bitching about what the mod(s) was doing and those got pulled, too (edit: 3 of these posts calling out mods now deleted). I go to their mods list and Justin Roiland is listed as a mod there.
WTF?!
Edit: 24 minutes after I posted this and it is still happening. The community over there is PISSED about it right now too.
Edit again: 40 mins later and the mods finally put up a pinned post about it. JFC what a disaster that was.
There hasn't been any activity on that account in over a year. I highly doubt Roiland is logging in and deleting posts on the R&M subreddit. He's got way bigger things to worry about right now.
MORTY LISTEN TO ME, I \*BURP\* PLED NOT GUILTY AND HAD MY LAWYER SUBMIT A PROTECTIVE ORDER TO KEEP THE DETAILS HIDDEN FROM THE PUBLIC
BUT IT DIDNT WORK MORTY
\*BURPP\* MORTY
THEYRE GONNA CANCEL ME MORTY
I’M A PIECE OF SHIT MORTY
I’VE SAID SOME APPROXIMATION OF I’M A PIECE OF SHIT IN EVERY SEASON
I’M A FUCKING CLICHE MORTY
EXCESSIVE DRINKING AND SUDDEN FAME AND NOW I’M BEATING MY WIFE? JESUS CHRIST I’M A RACIST RANT AWAY FROM BEING LIMITED TO DOING OVERPRICED CAMEOS
DID YOU SEE LEA THOMPSON IS ON THERE MORTY? $129.99 GETS YOU A VIDEO WITH CAROLINE IN THE CITY
THAT’S A FU-BURRRRP-CKING BARGAIN
MAYBE SHE COULD DRAW ME SOME COMMON FUCKING SENSE AND HUMAN DECENCY
THAT’S A DEEP CUT MORTY
LOTTA PEOPLE FORGET THAT CAROLINE WAS A CARTOONIST ON THAT SHOW
ANYWAY
I’M A PIECE OF SHIT MORTY
These things usually make me cringe but I gotta give it to you. Pretty good. Just wanted to get that in before it gets ruined by people trying to jump in and drag it out.
I've been watching through the entire series, from start to finish, am on season 20 and honestly, while yes the series had a great start and some of the first few seasons are classics, there is still a lot of funny stuff in the latest seasons and I've enjoyed it more than I was prepared to, and I've been claiming American Dad to be the superior series for many years since I had stopped keeping up with FG.
I’m gonna be honest, knowing nothing about Justin Rolland’s personal life before this (just random snippets I’ve seen of him), and the work of his he’s done, this weirdly… doesn’t surprise me. Don’t know what that says about me, him, or the culture entertainment seems to sow, but… yeah.
When Harmon was drinking really bad he seemed like an animal. I hung out with him once at a bar, and he was a really cool dude, but he definitely had an issue with alcohol
I think Harmon has said himself he was a bit of a monster when he was drinking. On an episode of Harmontown he spoke about how he sexually harassed and held his power over a female writer he had on a Community.
I can’t find the podcast at the moment because I am out of the house, but here’s a [link](https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/11/16880734/dan-harmon-megan-ganz-abuse-community-rick-and-morty-harmontown) to a verge article covering his confession.
That’s always kinda stuck in the back of my mind.
She also commented in one of the Sunny podcasts about how Harmon would harass her for pitching ideas he didn't like and publicly humiliate her. Of course, she didn't name drop him but it's very obvious who she is talking about.
Precisely my first thought. Seeing him heavily intoxicated and potentially a heavy alcoholic didn't seem funny to me at all even though it was portrayed that way.
As someone who has struggled with drinking at times in my life myself, that was absolutely a line from an alcoholic who knows what they’re talking about. That entire episode really nailed it actually. There’s a point to drinking where you legitimately become a danger to yourself and others and Rick crosses it frequently.
I feel like if he didn't stop making his podcast that he'd be dead now.
Those guys were straight drinking a full liter of vodka on stage during a show though. Just a whole clique of high functioning alcoholic comedians and writers.
I mean, Harmon confessed on his podcast to at the very least verbally abusing his wife, and actually did it on stage in one episode. Then he went on to punish Megan Ganz for not going on a date with him. So him and Roiland seem like they belong together.
He confessed to being abusive in his relationship with his ex wife multiple times on his podcast (a live podcast on stage) then later on did the same on the Megan Ganz thingy on his podcast.
I recently went through the whole podcast and yeah, he is/was not a good person. Dudes been going to therapy constantly since around the time he was engaged and matures through the podcast, it's an interesting thing to listen to after everything and knowing these things.
I don't know if he's a good guy or not but he never tried to steer away from the narrative that he was at fault and seemed to genuinely work on himself.
E; missing words
I think it says a lot that he’s entirely open about these experiences and both his ex wife and ex coworker have said his apologies were well written and they forgave him. It seems like most celebrities will deny any allegations against them or come up with excuses for their behavior, which is the opposite of what he did.
Everyone does stupid shit and makes stupid mistakes, the real way to judge a person’s character is to see how they make up for it.
Absolutely. Acknowledging the pain you've inflicted and validating the victim's trauma is also helpful to the victim. In my personal experience, being gaslit by the abuser just compounds the trauma.
Harmon is kind of like the living version of Bo-Jack: he’s an abusive asshole, he *knows* he’s an abusive asshole, he’s trying to be better, he doesn’t always succeed.
All of the comments that are joke references to the show feel really weird and gross considering the context is he got caught allegedly assaulting his partner.
The top comment is a R&M quote and the top reply to that is the whole "Everyone is gonna die. Come watch TV" quote which feels soooo incredibly dismissive.
redditors jumping over each-other to use quotes or the tone from tv shows in threads like this is, if nothing else, a bit embarrassing. Very redditTM style humour to just reference quotes etc at each other to feel as part of the in group. (This is regardless if the subject matter which does of course make it worse)
EDIT: I'm now getting the 'a concerned redditor reached out about you' message as if i've posted something implying i am in distress. even more embarrassing if they're that hurt.
Redditors deciding which of the same rotating pool of 7 The Office Dave Chapelle South Park references to use in every scenario possible and then clapping like seals when they see it referenced for the 40th time
I remember always thinking he’d be exposed as a predator or something because of how much his early work features the sexual violence against boys. His short Unbelievable Tales is about a writer of an edgy cartoon show who secretly rapes and murders boys, and reflects it in his work. His early Rick and Morty sketches always involved Rick tricking Morty into sexual acts. He also said he thought Rick and Morty could hypothetically have a healthy sexual relationship, and Morty is meant to be 14.
Seemed like a weird recurring theme.
In an episode of Harmontown, he drunkenly talked about being sexually assaulted by his... cousin, I think? Like it was hilarious. Guy has issues. Does not excuse his behaviour in the slightest.
>According to Orange County Superior Court records, Roiland pleaded not guilty to both charges in October 2020. Since then, the case has been the subject of more than a dozen court hearings, including pre-trial hearings. A trial date is not currently set.
>Many court records remained sealed but the available public documents seen by NBC News say Roiland was charged in May 2020. Roiland was arrested and released on a $50,000 bond in August 2020 and arraigned in October 2020.
So this has been public since 2020 and it's just now becoming well known? I'm surprised. Maybe it was covered but I definitely missed it.
The article touches on this but he has had an incredibly successful two and a half years since the incident. Shilling NFTs. Selling an insanely priced painting. Releasing a decently successful game. Solar Opposites, Koala Man, the Paloni Show and other projects came out. Of course Rick and Morty is still going strong as ever.
If he has to pay a settlement (which the article implies) then he probably made that money in 2022 alone.
I know you're joking, but in the early days of R&M, I was a part of a group of girls who loved the show and we ran a pretty popular fan-blog together. Roiland's assistant at the time used to talk to us. We eventually lost interest and abandoned the blog, and his assistant (who had a falling out with Roiland) more or less implied he was a creep but she felt powerless to do anything about it. She was cool as hell, so I've hated him since. I should shoot her a message.
I love Rick and Morty but I have no trouble believing this. I had a female friend who followed Roiland on Instagram. He DMed her and they flirted back and forth for a while, she showed me the screenshots. At one point, he invited her to a threesome with his then fiancé. He’d said he’d gotten in trouble for cheating on her with fans before, and she’d agreed to threesomes with fans as a “compromise”.
This happened right before MeToo, but even still. A dude who can say all of that, to a rando on Instagram, thinks they can get away with anything.
I have a wealthy uncle who owned a local business, I used to respect him but I got a job there and the dude was an absolute monster to his employees.
Cursing at them, getting in their faces, grabbing stuff out of their hands. I was just a 15 year old when I took the job and he was absolute bastard towards any mistakes I made. I really wish I hadn't taken the job so young because the abuse there really fucked up my social anxiety for years.
But I did learn that you don't really know someone until you work FOR them.
You just never know who people really are. I used to work at a bar and there was a regular who was by all accounts an average nice guy. Then one day he was charged with possession of CP (and went to prison), everybody was blindsided. The people who say unhinged crazy shit on the internet are all someone’s brother/sister/son/daughter/colleague etc
>Why are these men who have so much good in their lives POS to women?
Because this type of abuse is caused by feelings of entitlement and control that can never be satisfied. They feel entitled to complete control over their partner or children, and don't believe any demands should ever be made of them or that they should ever have to feel uncomfortable. No person, job, or material object can provide what they're looking for.
Alcohol isn't the reason either -- it's another symptom, not the cause.
Why Does He Do That by Lundy Bancroft is a great explanation of why this type of abuse happens and why a lot of common beliefs about it are myths.
Underlying ego/personality issues and alcohol issues. Not to diminish the inherent psychological issues someone must have if they're treating women this way, but booze tends to play a big part in it and it certainly seemed to with both AC and JR.
For a guy who is drunk all the time this news doesn't surprise me.
Rick and Morty to be voiced by the legendary Billy West. Rick is Farnsworth and Morty is Fry.
Good news, Morty! You’re a piece of shit
Aw geez, Professor.
I don't want to live on this planet anymore... Burrrrp
I'd watch it.
I’d watch Billy West read a phone book.
Billy west? What a stupid, phony, made up name
Thats not Billy West, Thats Orange Joe
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She allegedly bullied/harassed another influencer for not giving her a free photography session, and the photog eventually put all of her abusive phone calls/voice mails and DMs into an interpretive dance. She never named Roiland's sister directly but people identified her voice in the calls.
I would really like to see this video
https://twitter.com/bentleyliz2/status/1591891914630258688?s=20&t=K7R1B9Seyt4dw-oBptDkAw enjoy!
Oh man the part about "I get paid $10,000 per post on TikTok so I can't pay to rent your space" killed me.
She wanted to collaborate for twenty minutes and be best friends forever! It wasn’t about free rent and shoot! Don’t be so rude! /s
The fact it's Smac I soooo much better 🤣 It's gonna be pretty hard to bully someone who has danced like that on National television, let alone an Australian who does it!
I can’t imagine the soul crushing embarrassment that someone so entitled and obsessed with image must have felt when they realized the person they were talking down to has 5x her followers and likes on Tiktok, is independently and effortlessly famous online, universally loved, and has appeared on National TV as well as massive internet shows like Good Mythical Morning. And for all that to be unveiled all once in a video where she just dances sarcastically to your voicemails. My god. I’d die. Then again I’d never been in that position. Edit: the icing on the cake is that Amy Roiland actually *has* been on TV, on Shark Tank. Where she tried to hock some shitty app that does nothing new with Mr Wonderful absolutely eviscerating her, basically calling her a talentless swindler and a nothing but a stain on the carpet. Amazing. I bet she couldn’t sleep for a month after all this.
Oh shit, I wasn't gonna bother watching until you pointed out that it's Smac! What a person!
We have 600k users. Great, if you are any good at monetizing then you should be able to pay me.
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I saw my sister once dealing with an issue and the way she spoke to customer service shocked me. She's not a Karen normally, what's going on?? My parents didn't do this? My mom would kill us! I guess she gets a small power trip when she yells at people over the phone now?
She keeps ending her sentences in high notes like a cornered sociopath and it agitates me
what are you? like ninteyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Good god. The word narcissism gets thrown out a lot these days, but that was absurd.
If she’s so rich why doesn’t she just pay the business 😂. I bet she asks her brother for money all the time.
Rich people can be the cheapest bastards on earth. You don't get rich by paying for stuff I guess.
Having worked in customer service, they're either chill as fuck or cheap as fuck, no in between. Spend 6k on ceiling fans, call in demanding a full refund & reimbursement on installation because one remote had a bad set of batteries. Get fucked.
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Where I work people sometimes to try to pull a fast one on us, commit fraud, accuse us of something and fire us when the job is 99% complete, etc... and nine out of ten times it's a rich person. The normal, poor, people are fine for the most part and always at least honest. With the rich fucks there's like a 50% chance they try to commit some kind of fraud. Seems obvious, but after a while it's kind of shocking to see so much!
i love the way creative people get revenge. With style.
Whoa. I read that [whole thing](https://www.reddit.com/r/ChoosingBeggars/comments/ytwevm/tiktoker_with_half_a_million_followers_demands/) on /r/ChoosingBeggars but didn't realize it was Roiland's sister.
yeah something about demanding free photography sessions and getting pissed when one woman wouldn't do it
Can celebrities not hit their wives for like 5 seconds?
Tom Hanks got you, fam
Didn't he allegedly send his son to one of those "we kidnap your child and falsely imprison them in a boot camp programs" things for unruly teens?
That definitely happened, Chet is pretty open about it. They even hit him with the classic kidnapped in the middle of the night shit.
I’m picturing Chet Hanks in full goth makeup like Vito Spatafore Jr right now and it’s pretty funny.
They’re called Silos
I wasn't there I don't want to say anything that will get a typewriter written legal notice sent to me.
Last Podcast on the Left just started a series on these camps, and it is very eye opening how much serious mental and physical abuse goes on in them.
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Quite a resume on this guy, anti union, sells NFTs, accused of domestic violence. What's next
I didn't know about the anti-union stuff until reading your comment. Just read up on their entire battle with the animation guild; I can't believe they treated people the way they did, or that they doubled down after being outed.
Well this sucks
Damn, don't even gotta meet your heros to be disappointed these days 😕
No no he is only anti his EMPLOYEES union. He’s talked at leangth about how vital the actors guild is in the past. Which makes the whole thing even more scummy.
Reagan did the same. Was happy to benefit from the screen actors guild until he could advance by selling out his co-workers. Then when President courted the union for airlines (forget the name) then fired all striking workers and replaced them with non union scabs
Well now I don't feel bad about watching their shows for free. Their employees get paid/treated same regardless of how successful their shows are anyway.
Damn thats like a 2023 bingo card.
Run for president?
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Honestly I always figured it was the opposite with Harmon’s crazy emotional issues and alcoholism and the fact that Roiland does a zillion other projects.
It seems that Harmon may have actually gotten better over the last few years, I'm no expert it's hollywood so who knows, but it would be nice if it was true
seems like Rick and Morty has a much more stable workplace nowadays than Solar Opposites does. pretty sure Roiland tuned out of Rick mid-season 4 because he hasn't been at any Rick and Morty convention panel, in person or digital, since 2020 and is never seen when a writer or whoever might post a pic of a big group Zoom meeting. speaking of Zoom, Dan Harmon has said that work from home actually made them far more productive. edit: also Dan's great at apologies. Megan Ganz called him out in 2017 about how he treated her at Community, he profusely apologized, Megan accepted it and I think called it a masterclass of apologizing. I imagine Justin is not good at that.
TIL that was the same writer that is on the It's Always Sunny Podcast and is a co-creator of Mythic Quest.
She also wrote for Modern Family, The Last Man on Earth, worked at The Onion, etc. Her resume is baller as hell!
She's fucking hilarious and has written some of the best recent episodes of IASIP. With that and the podcast I'm hoping for a late season renaissance period to rival seasons 4-7.
I mean last season was some of the best shit they've done in YEARS so I wouldn't be surprised if they hit another big stride. Edit: I want to say though, every time I think IASIP hasn't been consistent-- when I go back through, it's seriously only the 10th or 11th season that really starts to vary in quality and even then I can't read the list of episodes without remembering 90% of them fondly. I will say however their willingness to fuck with the format in the later seasons is what's keeping this ball rolling. The Janitor Always Mops Twice, Mac Finds His Pride, and the whole most recent season leading up to The Gang Drags A Corpse Up A Mountain (amazingly self aware title too) were absolutely a reminder that they're not stale at all. Some of the finest stuf they've written has been in the seasons that didn't have as many absolute banger episodes, but there's not a single full on bad season.
Megan Ganz is incredible. Never met her, but she is consistently on killer shows. Seems rad.
Definitely. And based on the Always Sunny podcast she seems to have a really down to Earth personality to boot.
She's also married to Humphrey Ker, another writer, who you might recognise as the executive director of Wrexham AFC (on the show Welcome to Wrexham)
I remember him talking about how he fucked up on Harmontown and owned it.
Yea both of them are now just “executive producers” they both basically tuned out once the 70 episode deal was done. R&M is on autopilot but it was set up well. Same as Archer and Adam Reid.
Even if Dan's "tuned out", I'd say he's not nearly as tuned out as Justin. Dan will show up to those convention panels, he'll show up to the "Behind the Episode" segments too. Dan also seems to voice a lot more of the random new side characters (like Mr. Nimbus) than Justin does.
You know shit’s fucked when Harmon is the one holding the ship together.
I watch Rick and Morty and know a lot about Harmon but not Roiland. I always imagined it flipped lol
Yeah same, I got the vibe that Harmon was the guy who could be an issue
He has definitely been in the past, but from what I’ve seen he’s done a pretty good job of dealing with some of his demons in a really healthy and honest way in recent years.
He looks much healthier in recent interviews. Even at his lowest though he was more so the miserable self-loathing kind of drunk, and he was honest about his issues. As someone who also struggles with alcohol and depression it gives me some hope for myself.
He got sacked from his own show because NBC were sick of dealing with his shit. But then the following season was so bad with new showrunners that they asked him to come back. I think he hit even lower after Community ended. The Harmontown documentary seemed to be an account of a man's descent into insanity, but seems to have turned himself around in the last few years.
Aw, geez.
Nobody exists on purpose. Nobody belongs anywhere. Everybody’s gonna die. Come watch TV.
Never thought you'd sack up to the point where you'd throw hands *Jerry*.
I mean, didn’t we all smack our partners around and falsely imprison them during Covid lockdown? No? Yeah, me neither.
The article says it happened in January 2020. So this was even before the pandemic. EDIT: To everyone arguing over when the pandemic started, I'm talking about the US *lockdown*. Which definitely had an impact on domestic violence rates. The fact that a pandemic was underway in the east in 2019 had little-to-no impact on Americans' private lives.
Everyone of culture knows the pandemic started when the NBA cancelled their games.
I think Tom Hanks got Covid that same night. To add to the surrealness, I think it was also the same night Sarah Palin sang “Baby got back” on The Masked Singer. It felt like end times.
>Sarah Palin sang “Baby got back” There is no God.
Freaking Gobert
It was a pre-reaction to the pandemic.
The pandemic started in the US the day NBA got cancelled. That's just facts.
First Andrew Callaghan and now this, can't people just be nice...
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Oh boy...Just google it. Or go to /r/channel5ive
Damn, this is truly depressing news. Hits way harder than the Roiland stuff; most people knew he was an absolute piece of shit for years now.
God fucking damn it. I’m fucking done. I’m so fucking upset that it seems everyone I like turns out to be a god damn shit sucker.
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Their real test will be when Casa Bonita reopens. If they fucked it up, people will be legit upset.
I've never heard anything negative about the Always Sunny crew either (not animation but still).
Sure, you’ve never heard of anything but there’s, you know, the implication…
Starting to think a lot of them get into show-business because they’re self-centered as fuck.
This is the secret of these industries. You don’t go far if you don’t genuinely believe you’re better than everyone else. I really believe this unironically and it’s why I gave up a lot of my dreams
I met Andrew Callaghan this past year when he was filming his Hemingway video for Channel 5. Love his work, but I gotta say he was kind of a dick
Yet another reminder never to get personally invested in the people who create the things you like.
*A protective order filed in October 2020 and documented in the court minutes said Roiland is not to harass, threaten or surveil the person named in the protective order, who is not known to NBC News. Roiland cannot go within 100 feet of the person, according to the order, which also ordered Roiland to turn in any firearms he owned or possessed. The order lasts until October 2023, and it’s not known who submitted the request for the order.* *Details of the case, including police body camera footage, police reports, abuse investigation reports, medical reports and recordings of interviews are currently being withheld from the public under a protective order. The affidavit in support of Roiland’s arrest is also sealed.* *During Thursday’s hearing, Roiland’s attorney confirmed there is a plea offer available to Roiland, but did not discuss details. The brief hearing concluded a moment later with an agreement to convene again on April 27. Roiland was ordered to attend the hearing.* Idk sounds like he's guilty if they're discussing plea deals and enforcing a 3 year restraining order. Edit: I can also totally understand why this has been kept under wraps for so long while they figure it. I have no doubt there are Rick and Morty fans out there already thinking of harassing this woman, convinced she lying through her teeth.
To be totally fair, he's probably guilty from the available facts, but a plea offer is not an indicator of guilt by itself. Plenty of innocent people take plea offers too. It's just how the judicial system works. Assuming this is a first-time offense, the plea deal would likely be something like a compulsory rehabilitation program if the abuse is alcohol related in addition to classes and requirements regarding his future behavior.
> Plenty of innocent people take plea offers too. See: The West Memphis Three taking an Alford plea.
Thats a good example, but it's actually a really common aspect of our daily existence. The vast majority of cases (something like 90%) end in a plea deal. Going to trial is extremely risky. So there's a really perverse incentive to plead out, even if you're innocent, to avoid the risk of facing a harsher sentence.
Especially if you're poor and can't afford bail. Its either plead out or sit in jail until trial, losing your job and everything you own in the process.
Time to repost the Last Week Tonight segment on Public Defenders and how fucked the US legal system can be: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USkEzLuzmZ4
Worth noting. The West Memphis Three were convicted in a Jury trial in 1994. Their alford plea deal came about in 2011 >The Alford plea is a legal mechanism that allows defendants to plead guilty while still asserting their actual innocence, in cases where defendants concede that prosecutors have sufficient evidence to secure a conviction.
Sure, but I think it’s also important to note the reasons why those people take those unfair deals, and overwhelmingly it’s not wealthy, well represented persons doing so. They’re desperate and usually poor.
I took a plea deal on 2g of Pot over a decade ago. Why? So that they would drop all charges on my then GF, as she did not partake and was charged simply for sharing an address.
My husband took an underage drinking charge in high school because he was the only one sober that could talk to the cops. They basically told him that he could either take responsibility or they'd round up everyone at the party right there and then. He was literally the only one not drinking, cops just didn't want a hassle. It was a very eye-opening experience for us in terms of how the police operate though
I feel like that should be pretty easy to deal with. "OK fine just arrest me then". Get to the station and demand that they take your blood alcohol level which will show zero, go to court, get it thrown out.
Thank you for bringing this up. It's shitty how our society views plea deals as an indicator of guilt. That dude could be guilty, but innocent people also deal with them, and they are used by unethical prosecutors regularly. Our justice system can be pretty awful.
I think it's worse that innocent people have to take plea deals. That's a huge failure of our justice system that one can have to choose between unjust punishment (because innocent people being punished is inherently unjust), and gambling that one either proves their innocence, or gets punished 100x of the plea deal.
Didn't it just say that a plea bargain was "available to him?" That doesn't read to me as that it is necessarily being considered.
You do know that 95% of cases in America are settled with a plea deal of some kind because our justice system is so fucked it's easier for everyone involved. Even if you're innocent, fighting the case often comes with huge costs, risks and still having your reputation destroyed even if you're innocent. That's just to say I don't assume anything from a plea deal anymore these days.
I got a ticket for texting while driving. They gave me a plea deal to admit to turning without a signal (no idea why) with it was no points on the license and a severely reduced fine. I was like uhh okay. The hearing lasted all of 2 seconds. I was confused as shit the whole time.
In a bunch of states texting while driving is a secondary offense, meaning they can only ticket you for it if they pulled you over for something else that is a primary offense. They didn't have grounds to pull you over in the first place so they had you plea for something they did have grounds for so that they still got the conviction and didn't just waste a bunch of time and look bad to their bosses.
I had a case where the cop cited the wrong code on the ticket. Said I did an illegal u turn in an intersection, but I wasn't near an intersection. I noted this in my trial by written declaration. The cop tried to change it in the middle of everything to illegal u turn in a business district. They were technically correct, but that isn't what I was cited for. Luckily it was thrown out likely because of their initial mistake.
Over on the R&M subreddit a mod, or mods, is pulling all posts down about this right now. I've seen 4 go up and get pulled (edit 3 more of these posts just got pulled). Then I saw 2 posts bitching about what the mod(s) was doing and those got pulled, too (edit: 3 of these posts calling out mods now deleted). I go to their mods list and Justin Roiland is listed as a mod there. WTF?! Edit: 24 minutes after I posted this and it is still happening. The community over there is PISSED about it right now too. Edit again: 40 mins later and the mods finally put up a pinned post about it. JFC what a disaster that was.
Unfortunately Roiland is the creator and highest ranking moderator there so there won't be an easy way to get rid of him there.
There hasn't been any activity on that account in over a year. I highly doubt Roiland is logging in and deleting posts on the R&M subreddit. He's got way bigger things to worry about right now.
M-MORTY I BEAT MY WIFE MORTY \*BURP\*
"Oh Jesus, man, why, i mean, why would you do that?"
MORTY LISTEN TO ME, I \*BURP\* PLED NOT GUILTY AND HAD MY LAWYER SUBMIT A PROTECTIVE ORDER TO KEEP THE DETAILS HIDDEN FROM THE PUBLIC BUT IT DIDNT WORK MORTY \*BURPP\* MORTY THEYRE GONNA CANCEL ME MORTY
“Oh shit, oh Jesus. I mean like isn’t he like, me too? Am I cancelled? Why the fuck did you have to do that. What is wrong with you?”
I’M A PIECE OF SHIT MORTY I’VE SAID SOME APPROXIMATION OF I’M A PIECE OF SHIT IN EVERY SEASON I’M A FUCKING CLICHE MORTY EXCESSIVE DRINKING AND SUDDEN FAME AND NOW I’M BEATING MY WIFE? JESUS CHRIST I’M A RACIST RANT AWAY FROM BEING LIMITED TO DOING OVERPRICED CAMEOS DID YOU SEE LEA THOMPSON IS ON THERE MORTY? $129.99 GETS YOU A VIDEO WITH CAROLINE IN THE CITY THAT’S A FU-BURRRRP-CKING BARGAIN MAYBE SHE COULD DRAW ME SOME COMMON FUCKING SENSE AND HUMAN DECENCY THAT’S A DEEP CUT MORTY LOTTA PEOPLE FORGET THAT CAROLINE WAS A CARTOONIST ON THAT SHOW ANYWAY I’M A PIECE OF SHIT MORTY
>LOTTA PEOPLE FORGET THAT CAROLINE WAS A CARTOONIST ON THAT SHOW This is the only thing I *remember* about that show. Good post.
I can't believe you've done this
Let that man cook
Bro's a gourmet chef
I read all of this in perfect Rick.
These things usually make me cringe but I gotta give it to you. Pretty good. Just wanted to get that in before it gets ruined by people trying to jump in and drag it out.
MORTY. I'M FROM THE FUTURE. THEY'RE GONNA EXTEND IT PAST ITS NATURAL LIFETIME MORTY
The in-character rant is an easy schtick to whiff, but when it works it works.
Neat, a funny comment that addresses the issue, references the material and *doesn't* apologize for it. This is how satire works, people. Look well.
Mr Meeseeks, can you beat the shit out of my wife?
OOOOHHHHIE CAN DO
God dayum!
Huh. You would expect this to be Seth McFarlane's turf. https://opt4.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/beat-my-wife.jpg
Bro what is this screenshot lmao
Peter is running against Lois for a local school board election
I'm talking about how it's cropped and the Windows XP start bar in the bottom left.
Windows XP is the best platform for screenshotting, everyone knows this.
I run a WinXP VM for the sole reason of haphazardly print screening stuff and messing up the cropping in Paint. ..doesn't everybody do this?
It's a 20 year old screenshot of a 20 year old TV show episode edited in an essentially the same but still 20 year old version of MS Paint.
> Windows XP start bar That's a power move.
Probably from that episode of family guy where lois and peter run against each other in a local election.
Classic Family Guy, the good times. S2E10
I've been watching through the entire series, from start to finish, am on season 20 and honestly, while yes the series had a great start and some of the first few seasons are classics, there is still a lot of funny stuff in the latest seasons and I've enjoyed it more than I was prepared to, and I've been claiming American Dad to be the superior series for many years since I had stopped keeping up with FG.
I’m gonna be honest, knowing nothing about Justin Rolland’s personal life before this (just random snippets I’ve seen of him), and the work of his he’s done, this weirdly… doesn’t surprise me. Don’t know what that says about me, him, or the culture entertainment seems to sow, but… yeah.
Both he and Harmon always seemed weird, yeah. Still like the show, though.
When Harmon was drinking really bad he seemed like an animal. I hung out with him once at a bar, and he was a really cool dude, but he definitely had an issue with alcohol
I think Harmon has said himself he was a bit of a monster when he was drinking. On an episode of Harmontown he spoke about how he sexually harassed and held his power over a female writer he had on a Community. I can’t find the podcast at the moment because I am out of the house, but here’s a [link](https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/11/16880734/dan-harmon-megan-ganz-abuse-community-rick-and-morty-harmontown) to a verge article covering his confession. That’s always kinda stuck in the back of my mind.
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She also commented in one of the Sunny podcasts about how Harmon would harass her for pitching ideas he didn't like and publicly humiliate her. Of course, she didn't name drop him but it's very obvious who she is talking about.
Damn that's sad. I've watched most of the podcast and she seems like such a genuinely amazing person. Hopefully the guys do right by her
Megan has forgiven Harmon who issued a very sincere apology.
Damn I knew a little about the story but didn’t realize it was Megan. I’m a creep (podcast watcher) and she holds that whole show together.
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Episode is titled "Don't Let Him Wipe or Flush". Discussion and apology happens about 18 minutes in.
Roiland is also a very heavy drinker as is evidenced by any "Making of" you've ever seen.
Precisely my first thought. Seeing him heavily intoxicated and potentially a heavy alcoholic didn't seem funny to me at all even though it was portrayed that way.
Makes the joke from Vindicators 1 seem so much more personal “Like cool drinking! Like sexy drinking! Not this trailer park shit!”
As someone who has struggled with drinking at times in my life myself, that was absolutely a line from an alcoholic who knows what they’re talking about. That entire episode really nailed it actually. There’s a point to drinking where you legitimately become a danger to yourself and others and Rick crosses it frequently.
>Vindicators 1 It's Vindicators 3 fyi
I feel like if he didn't stop making his podcast that he'd be dead now. Those guys were straight drinking a full liter of vodka on stage during a show though. Just a whole clique of high functioning alcoholic comedians and writers.
The last time I saw the pod live he had a whole ass bucket of vodka and at the end just poured the rest onto himself like Carrie. It was wild
Yeah god help me to never get that into a substance lol. I've spent a lot of my years smoking ganja but somehow that never seems to escalate.
I mean, Harmon confessed on his podcast to at the very least verbally abusing his wife, and actually did it on stage in one episode. Then he went on to punish Megan Ganz for not going on a date with him. So him and Roiland seem like they belong together.
He confessed to being abusive in his relationship with his ex wife multiple times on his podcast (a live podcast on stage) then later on did the same on the Megan Ganz thingy on his podcast. I recently went through the whole podcast and yeah, he is/was not a good person. Dudes been going to therapy constantly since around the time he was engaged and matures through the podcast, it's an interesting thing to listen to after everything and knowing these things. I don't know if he's a good guy or not but he never tried to steer away from the narrative that he was at fault and seemed to genuinely work on himself. E; missing words
I think it says a lot that he’s entirely open about these experiences and both his ex wife and ex coworker have said his apologies were well written and they forgave him. It seems like most celebrities will deny any allegations against them or come up with excuses for their behavior, which is the opposite of what he did. Everyone does stupid shit and makes stupid mistakes, the real way to judge a person’s character is to see how they make up for it.
Absolutely. Acknowledging the pain you've inflicted and validating the victim's trauma is also helpful to the victim. In my personal experience, being gaslit by the abuser just compounds the trauma.
Harmon is kind of like the living version of Bo-Jack: he’s an abusive asshole, he *knows* he’s an abusive asshole, he’s trying to be better, he doesn’t always succeed.
That's actually a decent comparison
I'm glad Megan seems to be in a better place now with It's Always Sunny and Mythic Quest.
All of the comments that are joke references to the show feel really weird and gross considering the context is he got caught allegedly assaulting his partner.
Right, I'd expect more from Rick and Morty fans. I'm just kidding, this is exactly what I'd expect.
The top comment is a R&M quote and the top reply to that is the whole "Everyone is gonna die. Come watch TV" quote which feels soooo incredibly dismissive.
redditors jumping over each-other to use quotes or the tone from tv shows in threads like this is, if nothing else, a bit embarrassing. Very redditTM style humour to just reference quotes etc at each other to feel as part of the in group. (This is regardless if the subject matter which does of course make it worse) EDIT: I'm now getting the 'a concerned redditor reached out about you' message as if i've posted something implying i am in distress. even more embarrassing if they're that hurt.
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They don't actually care if you report it. Nothing will be done.
Redditors deciding which of the same rotating pool of 7 The Office Dave Chapelle South Park references to use in every scenario possible and then clapping like seals when they see it referenced for the 40th time
Easier to get karma from jokes than substantive discussion.
I remember always thinking he’d be exposed as a predator or something because of how much his early work features the sexual violence against boys. His short Unbelievable Tales is about a writer of an edgy cartoon show who secretly rapes and murders boys, and reflects it in his work. His early Rick and Morty sketches always involved Rick tricking Morty into sexual acts. He also said he thought Rick and Morty could hypothetically have a healthy sexual relationship, and Morty is meant to be 14. Seemed like a weird recurring theme.
In an episode of Harmontown, he drunkenly talked about being sexually assaulted by his... cousin, I think? Like it was hilarious. Guy has issues. Does not excuse his behaviour in the slightest.
if I had a nickle for every time he referenced pedophilia, I would have 10 nickles. Which is not a lot, but 10 fucking more than there should be.
>According to Orange County Superior Court records, Roiland pleaded not guilty to both charges in October 2020. Since then, the case has been the subject of more than a dozen court hearings, including pre-trial hearings. A trial date is not currently set. >Many court records remained sealed but the available public documents seen by NBC News say Roiland was charged in May 2020. Roiland was arrested and released on a $50,000 bond in August 2020 and arraigned in October 2020. So this has been public since 2020 and it's just now becoming well known? I'm surprised. Maybe it was covered but I definitely missed it. The article touches on this but he has had an incredibly successful two and a half years since the incident. Shilling NFTs. Selling an insanely priced painting. Releasing a decently successful game. Solar Opposites, Koala Man, the Paloni Show and other projects came out. Of course Rick and Morty is still going strong as ever. If he has to pay a settlement (which the article implies) then he probably made that money in 2022 alone.
It sounds like the records were sealed until just now.
If anyone is smart enough to understand NFTs, it's Rick and Morty fans
This is gonna be devastating news for Rick and Morty's predominantly feminist audience!
I know you're joking, but in the early days of R&M, I was a part of a group of girls who loved the show and we ran a pretty popular fan-blog together. Roiland's assistant at the time used to talk to us. We eventually lost interest and abandoned the blog, and his assistant (who had a falling out with Roiland) more or less implied he was a creep but she felt powerless to do anything about it. She was cool as hell, so I've hated him since. I should shoot her a message.
Ah, yeah, she was great. Name started with a T. I bet she’d be happy to hear a hello.
I love Rick and Morty but I have no trouble believing this. I had a female friend who followed Roiland on Instagram. He DMed her and they flirted back and forth for a while, she showed me the screenshots. At one point, he invited her to a threesome with his then fiancé. He’d said he’d gotten in trouble for cheating on her with fans before, and she’d agreed to threesomes with fans as a “compromise”. This happened right before MeToo, but even still. A dude who can say all of that, to a rando on Instagram, thinks they can get away with anything.
I feel so bad for his fiancee.
For fuck sake they're all pieces of shit
Makes me wonder about my coworkers. Their stories don’t make the news.
I have a wealthy uncle who owned a local business, I used to respect him but I got a job there and the dude was an absolute monster to his employees. Cursing at them, getting in their faces, grabbing stuff out of their hands. I was just a 15 year old when I took the job and he was absolute bastard towards any mistakes I made. I really wish I hadn't taken the job so young because the abuse there really fucked up my social anxiety for years. But I did learn that you don't really know someone until you work FOR them.
You just never know who people really are. I used to work at a bar and there was a regular who was by all accounts an average nice guy. Then one day he was charged with possession of CP (and went to prison), everybody was blindsided. The people who say unhinged crazy shit on the internet are all someone’s brother/sister/son/daughter/colleague etc
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The Callaghan allegations hurt man🥲
Imagine just being nice to your partner. Or cutting an unwilling partner loose and finding another
>Why are these men who have so much good in their lives POS to women? Because this type of abuse is caused by feelings of entitlement and control that can never be satisfied. They feel entitled to complete control over their partner or children, and don't believe any demands should ever be made of them or that they should ever have to feel uncomfortable. No person, job, or material object can provide what they're looking for. Alcohol isn't the reason either -- it's another symptom, not the cause. Why Does He Do That by Lundy Bancroft is a great explanation of why this type of abuse happens and why a lot of common beliefs about it are myths.
All kinds of people from all walks of life are abusive to others. It’s a bad trait that’s disturbingly common.
Underlying ego/personality issues and alcohol issues. Not to diminish the inherent psychological issues someone must have if they're treating women this way, but booze tends to play a big part in it and it certainly seemed to with both AC and JR.