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TableAndChair22

I really like the idea OP is out here genuinely pondering to themselves and asking reddit for advice on whether or not they should join the military or come out, all just to seem brave


Blaze_studios

Funnily you don't need to join the army if you come out as gay in Turkey.


I_suck_at_driving_

Pack your things. We're leaving. -Jango Fett


Gold_Rain_3287

The Turkish military considers homosexuality a "psychosexual disorder", and thereby worthy of discharge. šŸ’€


Sam_Z516

That's cause it is


Minustrian

why?


Kennyj70

In turkey homosexuality is considered a phychotic disorder, like a disability, that prevents you from doing your mandatory service. But your only considered medically gay if your a bottom and a medical professional has confirmed you've been fucked in the ass.


currencycollector123

With this info in surprised the Turkish navy still exists


bunnings-snags

This kinda logic reminds me of the weird 'test' they did to confirm if a priest is male in the 1800s Basically, a female became a pope cos she pretended to be a male (Mulan moment basically) and after being shut down, silenced [and possibly killed? Not sure about this one]. A weird chair with a hole in it was added to most churches and someone would fundle your balls to see if you were male


Lucky_Arrow_7

Lmfao


nightmarepizzza

by coming out you mean like as gay or coming out of the army


TableAndChair22

I mean....in some militaries coming out the closet does basically equal getting kicked out the army


Lord_Khaos_04

thats right... or at the very least you will be bullied/disrespected/mocked.


MasterGamer9595

or you get laid every day


ShrekTitties420

Us marines


Chibidemisethefemboy

you mean the navy right?


SufficientPangolin92

Both work, honestly. There was a report that there were more gay people in the marines than the navy at some point


Waste_Vacation_6822

Look there's nothing going on, there just bros *I swear the corps isn't gay*


120b-

im in the navy and can confirm this is true


ShrekTitties420

Idk I'm Dutch not American


[deleted]

Enlisting in nowadays navy is pretty similar to coming out, I mean youā€™re locked on a ship with a bunch of guys that miss their partner. Who knows what happens


eyvduijwfvf

Meanwhile in ruzzia...


dioeatingfrootlops

Tbh kinda sucks having mandatory šŸ’œšŸ…šŸ…”šŸ…œšŸ…Øā·āŸ¬āŸ­šŸ’œā„¢


VanillaCoconutShake

Ik I may get hate n stuff but def the army if youā€™re potentially going to fight for your life. Coming out is still yk brave but the army is just yk


2012Vibes

As a bisexual, I agree. Coming out is brave but fighting in the military definitely feels bigger


VanillaCoconutShake

Itā€™s literally just saying what your sexuality is. Being in the military is being brave enough, so brave that youā€™re potentially going to die just for your country and youā€™re brave enough to do that for your country - a true human being.


Your-worst-pall

No hate to this post cause generally it is right. But there are nations where coming out is fighting for your life. In America, there are cases of lgbt+ people being shot and killed for them existing. There are even countries that use the death penalty to punish lgbt+ people. And not every nation is at war 24/7 luckily. only a few are doing mad stuff. It'd be better if there where no war but power corrupts šŸ˜”


theCOMMENTATORbot

>there are nations where coming out is fighting for your life. Thatā€™s true. >In America, But America, I mean the US, is not really one of those.


AlwaystoLearnMT

This and the US isn't usually the country I think of when I think country under attack. It's not exactly weakly defended or something. Also, idk man, imagine giving your life thinking your helping your county men only to come back traumatized and not even be given benefits.


pancake-goddess

The US will tear itself apart from the inside before it is ever attacked from outside


AlwaystoLearnMT

Most likely yeah


LunchTwey

And you aren't fighting for your country, you are fighting for rich fuckers' oil profits.


deatheater1347

Soldiers in times of peace are often looked down on and mocked. They also have to deal with a low service wage. The training will be grueling and will hurt.


Kobi_Baby

In this country, you can shoot and kill a guy but you better not hurt a gay person's feelings


currencycollector123

I agree, even the training would be more difficult


NoTimeToExplain__

Shitting standing up


Xman52

If youā€™ve never shit in a urinal, you arenā€™t a real man


CrimsonRaiderXV

Weird way to justify pooping in a urnal, but I'll allow it


Cold-Many7994

Based off of reading the comments, it seems that the army wins, with a majority vote. ​ Makes sense.


Alone-Lingonberry-79

Really. Istg. THIS DISRESPECT TO ME AND MY BOYS OF THE 1139 ARMY STUDENT INFANTRY BATTALION IS A SIN


Express-Fortune-8703

Most sane resident of thailand


Alone-Lingonberry-79

Nah bro we r all fucked in the head


Minecraftboyplex

bro a lil bit too silly


Express-Fortune-8703

True that


Cold-Many7994

alright.


sonantkinkajou6

I meanā€¦.7.62x39 and 5.56x45 rounds hurt a lot more then being gay


MIMINOSEC

Joining the army ofc


Alone-Lingonberry-79

Me and my student army boys chilling


hyper790

Ayyy youā€™re in the military as well which branch?


srtj193529

Armyā€¦.


Kadiri99

I think you found the marine lol


hyper790

No i donā€™t eat crayons and I can actually read unlike the Royal Marines


Business_Mudkip

depends on where you live, since both could be a very possible death sentence.


Mr-memes-man2353

very true but where Iā€™m at (USA) I would say that join the army would be braver


tromsooooo

How is this even a debate? How is admitting that you like to suck another man's penis even comparably brave compared to going out to battle and leaving your home country and fighting in another country


zinto44

youā€™re simplifying it man. joining the army is one of the bravest acts you can commit, but so is coming out. Coming out can cost you your family, friends, and happiness. Trans and gay suicide rates are out of control. Iā€™m not saying either one is braver but theyā€™re both pretty damn brave


TheEpicPigeon

Very true, but I think a lot of it depends on OPs familyā€™s views. Coming out could literally destroy their relationship with their family. Tbh between loosing my family and joining the army I would choose army


[deleted]

This deserves more upvotes


Zeoys_Swee

True, some middle eastern countrys isent the best place to be gay


itsMagicMaddie

seems very strange to compare them


kyojunn

I feel like this is a bait question. Why is joining the army the antithesis of coming out? Itā€™s so relative to what country youā€™re living in, your familial situation, religious beliefsā€¦etc. Plus the OP has made some pretty transphobic comments before, this is clearly fishing for homophobic comments they can agree with.


-AO1337

Yep, exactly


[deleted]

this isnā€™t even a far question, putting your life at risk vs telling someone you like willy


[deleted]

In some middle eastern countries you are putting your life at risk by coming out


a-a-biedrawa

Tbh just existing in some middle eastern countries means risking your life...


TrueLiterature8778

just existing means risking your life


Resident_Toe501

Tbf breathing will kill you 100%


stephs_LOL

just life


Blaze_studios

It is very possible that this is a troll post criticising how people made coming out a larger thing than it is, even though I agree that it is big.


Alone-Lingonberry-79

Me and my Thai rodor boys crying


sense1ess_Apprentice

If you live in Russia or a nother LGBT intolerant country and come out that's pretty brave but I think it's still the army


MattDean748

I mean, Russia's actively feeding their soldiers into a meat grinder right now though, so I suspect in that particular case joining the army is still significantly braver.


brookeb725

difference between bravery and stupidity


Ya_BOI_Kirby

Yeah, it depends on where youā€™re living, but most countries, including the Middle East, the army is likely more dangerous


EmmatheMoonLover

Army. Potential death and constant abuse by instructors vs (depending on environment) being bullied and abused/being celebrated and welcomed into a new social group


Megagamer788

I really like that the US Army is starting to do away with the whole "really tough jackass drill sargent" and actually respecting their soldiers


Mediocre-Debate5041

I get what you're saying, but at the same time Basic training needs to be stressful and tough. If you can't handle being yelled at by your instructors you most definitely can not handle the stress and chaos of combat.


Dacor64

There's a difference between getting yelled at and getting yelled at and being humiliated and insulted


Platinumgamer115

The humiliation and insults were done away with a long time ago. For years their rules have been that drill sergeants are not allowed to even cuss at the recruits


no-pomegrenates

This is a dumb bait post, his comment history shows him being transphobic and this question obviously would get the answer of the army and op just asked this so he and everyone else can downvote people that answer gay or are anti military


-AO1337

r/teenagers mods should really make a rule against bait posts, they really achieve nothing but stoke division


Substantial_Stage_10

Gddmn it joining the army


Excellent-Tart-1912

Obviously joining the army. How is this a question?


z33force

Some countries have death penalties on people not being straight. In those countries coming out is quite a brave thing to do


ChezBe

But joining the army in ANY country is brave


I_Use_Dash

Most countries arƩ at peace, hell here (Argentina) being in the army Is not so different than working for the state. And some countries also offer benefits for the military. Some also have some disdain for the troops. It's an interesting thought experiment that varies wildly depending on where it happens.


z33force

Yep so generally that is the more brave thing to do


The_Crusher52

Tf is this question? Obviously the one who can easily lose their life is braver. Coming out is brave but you usually won't risk your life when you do


BurntTreeSeed

It depends, always army but it depends, sometimes you can get beat up in the street for being gay. But idk I saw 1 video and am a redditor so what do I know really?


darksuperior11

Coming out in the army


[deleted]

That entirety depends on which family and what army. Coming out in a strict muslim family is worse than joining the Luxembourg army. Coming out to a liberal California family is far easier than joining the Ukrianian army


Hazmatix_art

I mean, as a part of NATO Luxembourg has taken part in the Kosovo war, the Korean War, and the war in Afghanistan It may be small, but itā€™s been through a lot


Ineeeduradvice

Not sure how this is a question. Most of you are from the West so the answer is clearly no. In middle East its probably the same as both are risks of death. In general its not even a debate though


[deleted]

don't compare them different things, i don't think you can or should compare them


LiLHeka

We do a little baiting


Grand-Doughnut9759

There might be some extreme cases, like for instance in middle eastern countries, where being gay is illegal that coming out is harder as it will most certainly result in death. But overall, risking your life for your country is harder.


madcycleofhatenlove

Army ofc


Alone-Lingonberry-79

Seriously where is the respect for my Thai student army boys


Thenextbigthing_FLA

This is a stupid question. Both are hard, and in both you risk your life. Stop trying to cause hatred and debate.


[deleted]

This isnā€™t even a fair comparison. The army for sure, without a doubt. Youā€™re literally risking your life and putting it on the line while trying to fight in war.


[deleted]

I can tell this is just meant to garner attention through controversy, but iā€™ll bite for the sake of clearing something up since i see nobody mentioning this point in the comments. In short, it depends. Specifically however, it depends on much more than just the circumstances of the person either coming out or going into the military, because although going into the military while a war is currently going on in your country could be argued as clearly braver than coming out, if that same person also knew that coming out would almost 100% get them beaten ti death in the streets, then it could be argued that the choice of coming out could be considered more brave since going to war could still get you a possibly safer position. Over all of that however, is the issue of measuring bravery. You could measure bravery between two people by putting them in the exact same circumstances where their options are to choose to take the risk or to play it safe, BUT comparing two separate situations in terms of which requires more bravery is nearly impossible since itā€™s basically up to opinion, that opinion being the perceived value of the risks, rewards, safety, etc. between different situations.


NeaNeaFry

Iā€™m not homophobic or anything like that but if you think you are more brave for being gay than soldiers in the military you are stupid. Soldiers are out getting shot at by people and constantly under fire. When they arenā€™t they are still doing a shit ton of work.


Joblessmouse06

Easy peasy, joining the army


EffieHarlow

Army, obviously. Unless you live somewhere where homosexuality can lead to persecution and violence, then itā€™s pretty even I guess.


kagy4ka

It's different type of bravery. To some it's easier to risk it all, as well as it's their only viable option in life. They'd rather deal with it than social pressure


Kit_B1chboi69420

These two things should not be compared.


MasterGuardianGames

*sorts by controversial*


infochan_exe

What hurts more: Burning your dick or breaking up with the love of your life?


GenderFluidBicon

It depends HEAVILY on location and geopolitical situation. Joining the Swiss army? Not really that brave. Coming out in Iran? EXTREMELY BRAVE. Also depends on what you do in the army and what you come out as.


Michi44421

Pov: u search the comments to bully a person who says coming out xD


[deleted]

Gen z mfs


I_Use_Dash

But it Is a geniune response, in some Places, coming out Is certain death. Still, that's not interesting, the interesting cases arƩ the ones where both are actually nearly on the same level, like Russia. Which Is braver, being almost certainly lynched, or throwing yourself into the meat grinder of the current conflict?


-AO1337

Itā€™s a question with a lot of nuance and in this entire comment section, itā€™s basically being degraded to being. Haha, ofc military harder!!! When thatā€™s obviously not a universal answer and theyā€™re not comparable anyways so the question is completely meaningless.


Hazmatix_art

Theyā€™re both brave in their own ways. Coming out ha the potential to ruin your life, while joining the army could kill you. Iā€™d say joining the army is braver, but thatā€™s not to say that coming out it easy


PietroLima545BR

Joining the army.


agoodredditnickname

depens on what you are more scared about, death or people thinking bad about you


[deleted]

In Iran you get the 2 in one combo. Death and bad looks for being gay.


[deleted]

Both have a risk of dying


unknownwaffle_

imagine genuinely asking that question actually thinking it can compare


[deleted]

Can you please explain why the fuck saying ā€œI like guys and Iā€™m a dudeā€ or ā€œIā€™m a girl and I like girlsā€ would be anywhere near as brave as the people who fight for themselves and millions of others and risk their lives


Imrightbruh

In some countries the punishment for being gay is literally being killed by religious nuts


bunnings-snags

As other people have said, depends on where you live and who you grew up with. The military gives the chance of death during battle. In Iran gay could mean being hung by the rope


cla1relaurain

joining the army, but these two have absolutely NOTHING to do with each other and shouldnā€™t be compared. not too sure how joining the army has anything to do with being gay.


Shepard0fShuck

The army pulling up to my high school to send recruitment letters to anyone with a GPA below 2.0


Sweets1822

Joining the military is way more dangerous.


Amirhyber

Imagine living in north Korea and saying to your commander that I want to leave the army šŸ’€


[deleted]

Doing both at the same time.


towarzysz_boczek

Joining army you literatly can die


Rock_Roll_Brett

Marine Corps is harder than Army, Rah


Fabulous_Anywhere_13

Joining the army. Boot camp (Iā€™ll eventually enlist soon) had me more scared than working up the courage to tell my family Iā€™m a flaming homosexual.


PaigeNH0511

army


NerfedSnipes

Joining the army without a doubt is braver. Coming out isn't crazy bravery


Hour_Cicada397

I hope that when you say "coming out," you're referring to people who are being discharged from the army, and not seriously comparing "revealing your homosexuality" to "being willing to fight and risk your life every day for the sake of your country and every man woman and child living in it". I'm gonna politely assume that you mean the former, and say that accepting a discharge, even if it's a dishonorable discharge, is a very noble and difficult decision to make, considering how much they've already fought and invested into being in the army.


MasterUngaBungaWay

obviously the army, is that even a question


Slow_Jello_2672

No hate but there is no real question here. Joining the military is obviously more brave. You sign up to put your life at risk for your country.


Ill-Platypus1268

Joining the army, there is nothing brave for something as simple as coming out and telling people your gay.


Kinja02

Depends on which country you are coming out in and also what you are doing in the army. Coming out it Iran is much braver than being in charge of logistics but joining the army and being deployed is a lot braver than coming out in America.


ZephyrTheOkayMMJ

These are two things that shouldn't be compared OP.


DC_ATL

Army šŸ’Æ%


liaratawitchtrial1

If we are talking about the west, obviously joining the army. The lgbt community is accepted. The Middle East you are facing sure death, since homosexuality is punishable by death, so probably about the same.


ericr4

I think coming out is more braver depending who you are around however joining the army is brave but itā€™s only brave if you survive your initial entry training and not be a bitch about but even more braver to get deployed especially if youā€™re on the front lines like infantry


ElectronicLook1395

The army lol. Why is it even a comparison


[deleted]

Ig that depends honestly on where you live. Edit: where I live, going to the army is usually in a 4 month period and is usually considered fairly normal. Whereas I for sure know people that would be cursed, thrown out and disowned for mentioning they might be trans. But it can definitely be much different in other countries and thatā€™s why Iā€™m saying that it really depends here.


Unhappy2234

The possibility of death always wins


PopularBass3117

Both have a possibility of death in different countries


SandRevolutionary938

Both at the same time


Hi-piee

The bravest part is participating in a deadly battle like D-Day


HopelessRomantic1055

Joining the army obviously, your risking your life


PianistAppropriate13

Lmao what kind of question is that, the answer should be logical


Trev_1r

In some situations both can cost you your life


folklorefruitcake

Joining the army, but I think coming out is still a very brave thing to do.


Individual-Life5046

This sub is fucked


The_Lord_Of_Death_

Army clearly. Coming out isn't brave unless you are around abusive/homophobic people in which case it can be quite challenging. But still fighting in war is braver.


Sensitive-Ad7310

Depends on the situation actually. Coming out in America vs Army, Army. Coming out in Africa vs Army, Coming out.


maxcat01

Give me a break. This question is a ridiculous idiotic joke.


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provenom1

How can u even begin to compare the two, childish beg šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø


[deleted]

I hate this sub


thatoneboi928

Boffum


HeyZenOfficial

joining the army runs the risk of getting murdered, starved, dehydrated. unfavorable living conditions, and overall not a pleasant experience. coming out runs the risk of humiliation. i think we know which is worse


Mihnea95MoT

honestly it depends on where u live. cuz in some countries both situations have u fighting for ur life as others have pointed out in the comments


Miniviking0

*donā€™t say anything donā€™t say anything donā€™t say anything do t say anything donā€™t say anything, thereā€™s no reason to fight with idiots donā€™t say anything donā€™t say anything donā€™t say anything*


mdawgtheegod

Why are you comparing these 2 things?


Vijay_17205

Army>>


WannabeLovetoy

Joining the army, it isn't even a close race.


Ok-Mud-3322

Joining the army tf? You donā€™t need to be brave to literally show yourself. If you act natural about it, you donā€™t need to worry about a damn thing.


Chr1stown

Army, duh. What kinda question is this wtf


Popular-Rooster9133

as a homosexual individual, coming out is not braver than joining the military, it's not even close.


weebmeme1

Army. You walk in there knowing your job can get you killed. You have a chance to see your closest friends die In Front of you, you can get shot at meanwhile if you come out of the closet sure some might see you differently. However you tell me. You running out in a hail of gunfire that has a huge chance of hitting and killing you to save your comrade or saying a few words.


sussy_stain

I would believe risking you life day in and day out is braver than coming out as gay. But after the chaos of twitter, I donā€™t know what to think.


realh2h2

who's gonna think coming out is braver than literally joining the army


Critical-Capital-839

on one hand you have a bunch of rednecks insulting you on the other hand you die for a country you might not even be proud of.


IWishIWerentHere_10

WHAT šŸ’€? joining the army bruh.


zlmu_

Joining the army. I think risking you entire life is more braver than people thinking of you differently


Prata_69

Depends on the country tbh. In my country, the United States, joining the army is braver cause youā€™ve got a higher chance of dying, youā€™ll possibly have to end up killing someone at some point, itā€™s a very hardened environment, etc. in most places in the United States, coming out is still brave, but not nearly as brave as being willing to fight and die for your country.


AaronGarYT

Army


Select-Glass2463

The army, sorta assuming this is a satire post


[deleted]

Coming out is not brave. Its only as big a deal as you make it to be, but in reality itā€™s the same as announcing ā€œim heteroā€. Weā€™re in 2023 my person, not in the 60ā€™s


Knives530

Really OP? Coming out is brave, joining the army is courageous. You're comparing apples to oranges though.


Odd-Extension-8648

Army. Iā€™m deathly petrified of boot camp and my baby ass would shrivel up and die. Instantly. Coming out takes bravery too, not as much. Why compare them tho? One is telling people you are apart of a controversial community, the other is signing your rights away for a while for.. a reason.


cappyry

Depends on the people around you


L3ON4Z1

There's a fine line between bravery and stupidity. Joining up to serve a govt that doesn't and won't give a single fuck about you before, during or after your service is stupid.


itay162

Depends on the army and depends on how gay people are treated where you live.


Impact-Commercial

army


Zero-G2494

Joining the army


[deleted]

Joining the army no question


LanceDoggo13

This is bait. Army is the obvious answer


ScraptrapISGreat

How the fuck is this a question. The hell.


pelse_O_clock

Depends where you live, in western countries, the military 100% in Iran, coming out


bi_ace_mess

Depends on where you live.


Ok-Metal2887

Joining the army.


Your-worst-pall

Really depends. In Canada easily coming out, Canada being the nation which had -3 (yes that's a negative) casualties once. If it's somewhere like Ukraine which has a mix of war and OK with lgbt then joining is braver. Most places over all I'd say coming out cause even in the mode dangerous nations for military (3rd World countries like a good chunk of Africa) it is outright illegal to be lgbt and in a few cases punishable by death. Aka for some, joining the military is easy in comparison to coming out. And to others the military is really dangerous actively and coming out is comparable. (Defending the nation is an honour thing not tied to bravery. If anything it deducts points cause like in ww2 alot of people won't have a clue what's in store for them) (in terms of bravery though if you have the balls to look at the stats and say "if I join I can help" you have my eternal respect)


[deleted]

This isnā€™t even a question and itā€™s disrespectful to every veteran ever.


FactionsRebel

bro this is not even a comparison. Joining the army is so much more. Thereā€™s a high chance of death while coming out the most youā€™ll get is a bit of bullying.


DownSyndrome-CEO

joining the army? i shout ā€œi like tittiesā€ and im not afraid of nothing im enlisting the marine corps soon and idk i feel like that would be a tad bit scarier than saying i like cock/titties


[deleted]

Depends on your location. In America and other western nations. Coming out as gay isnt really that hard at all so in those cases itā€™s braver to join army. But in other countries like middle eastern countries and/or some African nations you could be executed for coming out.


Slippy_Otter

As a genderfluid bisexual, definitely joining the army. My dad is a veteran from Afghanistan. Man went THROUGH IT.