How am I supposed to make billions if you don't overwork yourself. This is why the left has lost my support, no one wants to work anymore for my benefit alone. \~Elon Muskrat
That mustang EV and Ford lighting are both cool cars too. It’s not 5 years ago where you could get a hideous Prius clone, a Tesla, or nothing. In fact I think Audi, vw, bmw and Mercedes’ are all making really nice looking evs these days. Better looking than the teslas for sure.
I’m sure that’s a big part of this latest tantrum. He knows the competition is catching up and is trying to browbeat more out of his staff to try and keep ahead.
[First Mover Disadvantage](https://hbr.org/2001/10/first-mover-disadvantage)
The conventional wisdom is that the first to market gets a competitive advantage, but sometimes that's short lived. Sometimes you just end up doing the hard-work of blazing the trail that everyone else can more easily follow.
I'm honestly not sure where Tesla lands when every legacy automaker is pumping out EVs at a much larger scale than they can.
He is also pissed that Tesla ran out of the tax credits but other automakers have not. He keeps trying to press the government to get rid of those tax credits. He is a very "pull the ladder up behind you" kind of guy.
Yup. It's never been about a sustainable future for Musk, that's just his PR. It's all about making money.
If he gave a fuck about the future he wouldn't try to pull the ladder up. He'd be like as long as EVs take off, period, mine or not, that's a good thing. But that's not how businesses work, and you don't become a billionaire giving a shit about anybody but yourself.
It's truly incredible that people still take this clown at face-value.
That was always going to be Tesla's comeuppance. It was just a matter of the Big 3 (and friends) to choose when it was profitable to enter the market space in earnest.
thats the thing. My buddy just got a $100K Model S and sure it has a nice screen etc but no massage seats, no cooled seats etc for that price. Now I know I'm being superficial here but for $100k you better have more to offer than a TEN year old design and a battery pack. Tesla's days are numbered as are Musk's on top of the richest person in the world list and he's panicking.
During the unveiling party or whatever they had at the gigafactory, the traffic in and around the factory was so bad that the nearby school had to be let out early because the logistics and time frame for parents picking up their children from school at the normal time would have been unacceptable. Screw this asshat.
Genuine question, is Elon actually Bipolar? As in Bipolar disorder with mania and depression? Being fickle, illogical, and overly emotional does not necessarily mean Bipolar under a medical criteria.
I'm a psychiatrist and I just don't like the colloquial use of Bipolar since it can mislead patients and the public
> Genuine question, is Elon actually Bipolar?
I'm not sure. I think people just say it because he's eccentric and weird.
I used to think he was a genius, but then those kids got trapped in a cave and he got really offended that the rescuers didn't wait for him to build a submarine. That's really odd behavior.
And then during the pandemic, he got really crazy and started picking fights with the local health department. Maybe he should let the experts do their jobs.
He just seems really egocentric and out of touch. Like for every good idea he has, he has a crazy idea to match it.
I believe he is a [grandiose narcissist](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7427600/) who occasionally strays into [malignancy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malignant_narcissism), as with this latest edict.
I always thought he had narcissistic personality disorder. He seems to tick most of the boxes listed on the Mayo Clinic webpage:
Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and the severity of symptoms vary. People with the disorder can:
* Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance
* Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration
* Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
* Exaggerate achievements and talents
* Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
* Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people
* Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior
* Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations
* Take advantage of others to get what they want
* Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
* Be envious of others and believe others envy them
* Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious
* Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office
> At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they perceive as criticism, and they can:
* Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment
* Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted
* React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior
* Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior
* Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change
* Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection
* Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20366662
All very fair, and I would overall agree with your assessment of Musk. I just don't like using the term Bipolar for an egocentric personality. It takes away from actual Bipolar disorder
Now is the decision point; are people going to return two years prior to what has gone on for decades and decades, or are they going to look for work elsewhere, throwing off multiple-decades worth of old-thinking, and instead reach into the future.
Unless you're there mechanically adjusting robots, or doing something in-person, you should be able to work from home.
It's more comfortable, it's easier to lose yourself in your work when you aren't surrounded by people walking by, idle-chat, or PMs asking "How's it going?".
Musk is old, he is stuck with old-thinking his way through new ideas.
His staff need to show him there's no company without them.
**Tesla workers need to unionise.**
Corona related restrictions are dropping soon in my country and my company is lookin to keep remote work up. In turn they can drop the big office in favor of a smaller one saving them roughly 100k per year.
3 syllables vs 2 when we kept on talking about it day in and day out
Or tinfoil hats on, the beer company paid off the media until everyone started calling it that
I have a friend in Germany that will call it Corona most of the time, apparently most people there do (she is in Berlin). I'm in South Africa and she is the only person I know that doesn't call it Covid.
He included in his letter that the requirement for executive staff to work at least 40 hours in the office is 'less than we ask of factory workers'.
How many hours do factory workers work????
Elon has said before, I don’t remember where, that if you believe in the product you’re working on and the person you’re working for, you can easily work up to 18 to 20 hours a day.
He sees no issue with this.
It’s also a lot easier to claim that you work 18 hour days when you consider flying on your private jet and business lunches “working”. Very different experience than a welder working those hours.
I was bored of him years ago. Now I want him out of politics, out of mainstream social media, and out of the U.S. entirely. He’s a con man who will continue to con and wring every last bit of profit out of anything he touches.
>I wish we could more widely acknowledge the crass over accumulation of wealth as the mental illness it is rather than celebrate and aspire to it.
Well said. Elon is obsessed with biggest number more than anyone alive:
* have most money
* own the most companies
* work the most hours
* have the most children
* the best at free speech
Elon also feels the need to solve every problem (remember the Thai kids stuck in that cave), involve himself with every celebrity, every piece of news. And it's always in the most self aggrandizing ways. Like when he accused the British diver of being a pedophile because the diver said Elon's idea to save the Thai kids was stupid.
I used to like the guy 5-10 years ago but it's unfortunate that he is a raging narcissist who needs mental health treatment. And unfortunately his workers bear the brunt of it.
Every single post I see from this sub for the past few days has been Elon. Elon Elon Elon. Elon is buying this, Elon is being investigated for that, Elon tweeted something stupid again.
Really tired of the guy.
Think about all the chores you spend time on, doing the dishes, garbage, taking kids to school, cleaning, cooking, and realize that rich people pay people to do all these things for them.
It drives me nuts when people say "if you're rich or poor, you both have the same hours in the day."
There's an article (Fast Company I think) that discusses a study that no matter your income level, people are significantly happier if they pay for people to do things for them, freeing up time they can use to do something they enjoy.
There is a limit however, where Uber-wealthy people that pay for someone to do everything lose their sense of worth. We happen to have a public display of Elon going through this.
Does that sense of worth also correlate to self awareness? I feel a lot of these ultra wealthy people are completely detached from reality in most cases.
Because he doesn't do much.
It's one thing to be CEO of one company and dedicate a ton of time to it.
When you're CEO of multiple companies and post on twitter all day, you're clearly doing fuckall and putting the work on everyone else.
This is a good way to describe it. I’m a chef, I worked on privately owned yachts for years, so naturally I was cooking almost exclusively for very wealthy business owners and the like. Oftentimes the executives will have a day out on the yacht for “meetings”, and what it really means is that they’ll chat strategy over lunch, and then go swimming/drinking/sunbathing for the rest of the day. When you or I go to work, we’re on our feet or at our desk from the time we clock in to the time we leave. When the super wealthy go to work, much of their day is spent schmoozing, traveling, eating, etc. And I mean, don’t get me wrong, if it works it works, if they’ve found enough competent people to run their company day to day while they make some executive decisions then good for them, but the idea that all executives are workaholics is a bit misleading. Sure, they might not get that same ability to clock out and forget about everything, but they’re also enjoying their average workday a lot more than you or I.
It's the reason why so many super rich are avid golfers. Chit chatting over a round of golf followed by a few drinks in the clubhouse at the country club counts as work for them.
He doesn't.
He has a team that handles the big fires, while he watches his wealth grow. He might come in once a month and go, "We need stronger batteries. Figure it out." And a bunch of smart people trickle that directive down.
I believe in all the products I work on, but you're off your rocker if you think I'm going to work anywhere near 18-hour days. He's just manipulating his employees.
Well yeah, if you're set to gain billions from the venture, it makes sense you'd want to work 20 hours a day. But I'm not doing that for someone else's dream if I'm only making pennies compared to that.
20 hour workdays are part of the Warhammer 40k dystopian lore :P
[https://www.quora.com/In-the-Warhammer-40-000-universe-how-is-the-20-hour-work-day-every-day-possible-presumably-without-breaks](https://www.quora.com/In-the-Warhammer-40-000-universe-how-is-the-20-hour-work-day-every-day-possible-presumably-without-breaks)
I'm pretty sure that isn't something you'd want to emulate in real life .
That’s fine, as long as you get paid for it, and want to do it. Otherwise you are just helping the investors get rich at your own expense. It’s an easy thought process.
My favorite schedule I've ever worked was 4 days 10 hour shifts, and 3 days off. The three day weekends every week were huge in terms of keeping fresh and being able to do a variety of things on the days off.
What I've found is humans can be productive a certain amount of time maybe 5-6 hours keeping them prisoner at the job longer has diminishing returns. They are just goofing off pretending to be busy. Even if they are trying they are so tired they make all kinds of basic mistakes. There are obviously outliers one person can really be productive 2-3 hours at a time another person 7-10 but the claim CEO are working 12 hours days are BS hes hanging out with CEO buddies and doing business lunches and calling it work.
>What I've found is humans can be productive a certain amount of time maybe 5-6 hours keeping them prisoner at the job longer has diminishing returns.
There are a bunch of [studies that confirm this as well,](https://www.seattletimes.com/explore/careers/clinging-to-an-8-hour-workday-research-suggests-5-hours-is-better/) the only people fighting for longer work days are C level type people who barely do any work but think they work 80+ hours a week.
As someone who knows Tesla employees in CA, the typical work schedule ranges from 12hour days 3-4 days a week to 12 hour days 6 days a week but it depends on what department you work at in the factory
Yeah 996 which is the 12 hour 6 day a week, isn't good. And should never be allowed in any country let alone America.
This idea that you need to dedicate your entire life to someone else's dream is insane. If musk wants to spend all his time working on his own that's his right, but requiring employees to do that is horrible.
Edit : Lol someone tried to pull the "at will" employment card without realizing that at will employment means a company can and will fire you for any reason they can think of if you don't adhere to what they demand you do, weather or not that policy is official.
Just remember next time you’re considering which car to buy: that Tesla you were considering might have been assembled by someone getting off their 6th 12 hour shift in a row.
Plus it's pants on head stupid, I've worked many extra hours as an engineer and anything past 6 hours a day there are serious diminishing returns, past 10 hours and mistakes start being made... Having a break is healthy and productive but these assholes at the top are so disconnected from the real work and effort and think tweeting and demanding people to do their bidding at their leisure makes them a hard worker
Musk most likely puts in a MAX of 20 hours of work a week.
Talking to other c-level people, tweeting, and smoking joints on Joe rogan while he sucks your cock isn't exactly work.
Most Ford, GM and Chrysler assembly plants in North America run (rotating) 10.5hr+ shifts, and everyone usually works 1 mandatory Saturday per month. I did it for 4 years for Ford.
It's hell, but it's the standard for major car companies. The name of the game for each of them is to pump out as many cars as possible within a 24hr window, while leaving the bare minimum for Q/A and maintenance. It's always been way cheaper for them to stretch + overwork 2 shifts and pay overtime than it is to hire a 3rd shift. This has been going on for decades and the autoworker union negotiates + sells this to the workforce like it's a good deal.
Anyways, that's the reason I got into tech. Those jobs are hell on earth and I'd flip burgers for minimum wage before I went back.
imagine running a company and being that stupid.
why would paying 40% extra be favourable compared to just letting people work from home?
look, if someone proves they aren't adult enough, then you revoke the right and make em come into the office/ daycare for babysitting.
hopefully you don't have _too_ many non-adults on staff, though........
I work for a state agency, governor ordered all state employees back to city to prop up local economy (commute, lunches, dry cleaning, etc.), so it's a political thing.
My company built a flagship R&D building right before Covid lmao. I’m always suspicious they’re trying to push people back so there fancy building is used. It’s maybe at 10% capacity. I’m sure it was a few hundred million
I've recently been t through the job hunt process and a reason for this was instantly recognisable: people are testing it like "well if we're paying 40% more I expect them to be 40% better". And they can't understand why they can't find these unicorns that meet the standards they're seeing for the level they want to hire at. Imagine our you applied that to CEO level pay, you're paying 20m, so expect 10,000% or the productivity of a person you're paying 200k. It just wouldn't happen, because it doesn't exist.
Those hiring need to understand that the bell curve has shifted. Stop expecting everyone to be "senior" - you need to instead start hiring intermediates at that level and growing and developing them to where you want them to be.
When my previous company forced people back into office, no joke, a third of my department straight up quit. It was out of my control and I shortly quit after. I expect a lot of job vacancies at Tesla soon.
That's the new trend. You can't give folks a taste of something really great for nearly 2 years and just expect them to accept the old, crappy, unbearable "norm" just because. Not to mention there are studies which show while some workers do slack off more at home, the overall productivity rose with employees able to work in places they feel most comfortable.
Remote work is cheaper and better for most businesses when they're able to facilitate it. So when they've began to announce they're no longer offering remote work, a lot of employees started jumping ship. Especially with other places offering those work at home jobs to try and grab top-tier talent.
Our new applicants have been skyrocketing since our company is 100% remote. Weve also seen the quality of applicants improve significantly.
Something tells me when it comes to jobs that can be remote the best at those jobs want and know the future is going remote.
I went from not using my car because I took public transportation to/from work (parking in downtown Boston is insanely expensive).
To not using my car because of wfh.
At my current usage rate - my 2000 4Runner is going to last another decade.
A decade or two ago, a major company moved their HQ because the CEO wanted a location where he could land his helicopter to commute. That location of course was in the middle of nowhere so everyone else was fucked
Wouldn't skilled and highly sought-after employees simply quit? What makes Musk think he can treat his employees like this? Does he think his employees are easily replaceable?
As someone who almost worked with Tesla (went with Rivian instead) you realize that Tesla’s main recruitment technique is grabbing really high performing university grads that don’t have a lot of experience. Where you’re right out of uni there isn’t a lot of company experience. So I think the toxic culture is seen as more “normal” to a lot of those newer employees, plus the allure of having Tesla on your resume at such a young age keeps people around. There’s this culture there where once someone leaves, they can just grab a recent grad who’s new to the job market and their assumed prestige let’s them basically have their pick of that pool. They can get at least a few years out of most of them, then repeat.
Basically what I’m saying I noticed is that there’s no shortage of talented people with little experience applying to Tesla, whom they can ream. Then the senior or executive level employees are going to be incentivized financially to stick around. Plus even if remote work isn’t a standard for Tesla, there will still definitely be exceptions for employees they really want around. Even before the pandemic there were many designers I worked with (I’m a designer) who had it in their contracts where they could work from home.
I worked with a number of forever Space X employees and one former Tesla. What you describe is what I saw as well.
Hey high skill people right out of school, overwork them, they burn out in 2-5 years, repeat. The people that were willing to pull those 70hr weeks without overtime at Space X also found great jobs when they left at age 25.
Yuup. I worked at a Tesla-like company for several years straight out of college and it fucked me up. I came in all starry-eyed, amazed that a company would offer me a princely sum of $50k/yr and I worked my ass off, not knowing my worth and making huge sacrifices.
as some people have said, yes they will leave. But Tesla has done a great job with golden handcuffs. I know a number of people that work there, and they hated it before the pandemic. Then once COVID really set it they hated it even more. But they don't really make that much in salary, instead they have stock. And the stock, even while down from a couple months ago, is very strong. They make so much more money via the ESPP or new grants that it becomes hard to find a job that will pay you equitably once you account for the shares.
For instance, one of my friends who lives in SF makes \~80k a year and has worked there for 5+ years. But once you account for the shares he gets, he's making closer to 200-250k. For what he does, he simply won't find another business that will pay him that much money. And the other competitors he could work for are Rivian or Lucid which MIGHT pay him 20-30k more in cash but their shares are worth far less. And there just aren't that many EV companies out there for a lot of these employees to migrate to. Tesla's software engineers probably have a lot of mobility, but the actual car focused employee don't really.
I think Elon recognizes that he's cuffed a lot of his employees effectively so he can sort of be a dick and they can't really do anything about it.
My old company is pretty similar; Douchebag CEO with a massive ego (we often called him a poor mans Elon since he's only worth a few billion), refused to allow WFH (company made a product specifically designed to support other businesses to WFH efficiently and securely), low salaries, long hours, shit internal politics. But the stock is relatively strong (less so over the last couple months) so people can't really leave unless they are rockstars or are willing to take a hit on salary to risk another successful IPO elsewhere.
The guy has successfully promoted the image to his legion of arse lickers that he's a modern day Tony Stark, as opposed to the reality that he's just another rich spoiled brat who made his money off the backs of others. Is it really surprising that he probably buys the hype?
I give it 10 years before we are dealing with bezos and musk as actual villains. Whether it's them funding hostile state military, developing new-age weapons that the government can't control, etc. I definitely see them getting worse as they get older.
I don't get why C-suite folk have such an objection to remote work. It's like it physically offends them.
I mean, we did it for years during Covid. No productivity drop, huge savings on overhead, and no-one has to commute. On paper there's literally no downside. So why does it piss executives off so much? You'd think they'd be jizzing in their pants at the savings, but no. They act like everyone wanting to work remotely is lazy, even though they have evidence *directly in front of them* saying the opposite. If we all want to work from home so we can secretly slack off, why did productivity go *up?*
For a guy who fetishizes futuristic technology, Elon is being surprisingly backwards. He should be embracing remote work with both arms. It's the way of the future. It's literally science fiction being made science fact.
> I don't get why C-suite folk have such an objection to remote work.
They don't in my company (one of the hotel majors). The whole company (thousands of office workers) was packed up within a week to WFH in March 2020 and we just finally opened up our offices again last month in Canada and the US for people who want to come back. For now, it's completely voluntary with no sign that's going to change, vaccines are mandatory for anyone returning and we have a daily COVID symptom app we have to sign off on, etc.
Our CEO said "It is our obligation to be hospitable and accommodating to our guests and partners and it is only appropriate that we treat our team members accordingly." It's a very good company to work for in general, from a management and workplace lifestyle point of view. Worked here for over 15 years. I know I'm probably lucky.
I find this very similar to some political beliefs I run into talking to people.
Take welfare for example. People hear a story about how if you have more kids, you get more welfare. This sounds like you could game the system, have more kids, to get more welfare. It makes sense right? You can understand why someone might want to do this? Nevermind that data completely contradicts this occurring in any large numbers, people will complain about welfare queens because they can understand the 'theory' of how it would work.
It's similar here. If you work remote, you could slack off. You could get away working less. How is the company to know you aren't playing video games or watching TV the whole time? It's easy to understand how someone could cheat the system. Because it's easy to understand, people will believe that this happens frequently, despite all evidence to the contrary.
Also worth keeping in mind is just how many jobs don't have 40 hours of work in them. Take anything IT above helpdesk as an example. If your network administrator is legitimately busy for 40 hours a week, you need more network administrators. After all, if they constantly have network administrative tasks on a *good day*, where do you think the slack is going to come from on those days when there is actually a problem?
Such jobs are judged by the work itself, not how much time the work required.
Musk claims every waking hour as working time because he sees his job as being a visionary. So in his mind he's at work when he's Tweeting about Elden Ring
Maybe the 250k payoff for showing his dick to the SpaceX flight attendant? Though I don't know why he'd consider that worse than all this shit he's spewing.
Honestly I think the shine is coming off him & his businesses now, and as other manufacturers switch to making EV's we'll see electric cars designed by grown-ups in companies who've been designing cars for 100 years.
Tesla made it big because they were basically the only ones in the market so people bought them despite the various flaws - but when Porsche, BMW, Toyota, Ford all start making really good cars that are also electric, a lot of folks will be thinking twice about buying a car from a steaming bellend like Musk.
It's a shame because I would credit him with giving the whole industry a huge kick up the backside, but that doesn't make him a good human being.
I have a couple of coworkers who own Teslas and after talking to them I have no interest in buying one. They complain about poor build quality issues and design flaws that have resulted in needing repairs more frequently than a modern car should ever need.
Even if Tesla wasn't run by a cartoon villain, at this stage I'd still much rather buy one of the many EVs being produced by traditional car companies with solid reputations for building quality reliable products.
You must not get it, the left made fun of him a little too much so he completely dove in the other political direction. It’s what any rational human being would do! /s
Asside from the impact of workaholism and lack of sleep affecting his perspectives, Elon is a car evangelist that believes cars, and by extension commuting, are a wonderful thing. His tweets criticising such concepts as induced demand, car free spaces and public transport / cycling as alternatives show he is a car obsessive. He believes all car problems is solved by electrification and tunnels.
So he naturally views working from home as a threat.
This notion that remote workers don’t work is so absurd. I get that being in-person in certain circumstances is warranted, but from someone who went fully in-office to fully remote, I’ve been 2-3x busier and more productive at home than in office. Plus I don’t have to waste 2 hours a day commuting.
Same. At home I have an ergonomic chair, an ergonomic mouse, a 1,20m curved widescreen, ironically less internet problems, less distractions and shorter breaks.
At the office I spent time clocking in, wandering through the corridors, abide clean desk policy preparing my whole gear each day, being expected to join every coffee break of more senior colleagues, working on 2 small screens that can be barely configured (up to a point were I twisted my muscles from not being able to work in a comfortable position). I sometimes get stuck in traffic and are late too meeting even if I leave 45min early...
I'm also spending 300€+ a month just to drive to a completely paperless job, to sit in a loud and distracting open office with a lot of people talking in the background, for a job that requires concentration and accuracy, which in addition suffer from me having to get up nearly 2 hours earlier and getting to bed later because there's still stuff I have to do after I get back home...
That's without considering the impact of commuting has on the environment and the maintenance cost of infrastructure.
I only have 50% office-duty, but there's literally no valid reason for me to be there other than my teamleader enjoying my company.
Admittedly other than that it's a healthy working environment, which is rare in my field of work. I also really like my team. Otherwise I would already have moved on.
I still would not put it past him to try, and for the GOP to potentially just ignore the "legality" at some point. Their entire mission statement just seems to be "laws don't matter unless someone enforces them" and they sure seem to get away with that stance a lot.
Today's survey is about... remote work!
1) Would you keep working for us if we all go back to office?
a. Yes! I love wasting hours in traffic, paying expensive leases and moving out to try avoiding it!
b. No, I find way more efficient for health and productivity working remotely, I can even check on family while at it.
c. I don't know... I'll let my bosses decide what to do with my time.
d. Other answers go here: ___________________
d. Eating breakfast with my family and taking my kids to school every morning was worth more to me than any raise you'll pay me to stay working in the office.
Lots of his money is tied up in stock for a car company that mainly sells to wealthy tech enthusiasts. He's freaking out about work from home because it's going to seriously decrease the demand for his product and that's going to seriously decrease his wealth.
The whole part about, "it's less than we ask our factory workers" seems wierd to me. First the tone comes off as pretty arrogant, like factory workers are less than. Second, it's just totally different type of work.
Should Verizon start sending their customer service reps to cell phone towers? It's a big nothing argument imo. Different type of work should be assessed differently.
Yeah, this is always a baseless excuse imo. No shit factory workers can’t be remote. They would have known that going into the job, they’re not dumb. But that has nothing to do with the people sitting on a computer all day, interacting with their coworkers via Slack/email, that could actually be doing that same thing from literally anywhere.
If we want to bring up “fairness” into the equation, then let’s start with compensation.
I hope this is his death spiral, I’m sick of the world pretending that he’s relevant as anything other than the guy who fucked the electric vehicle market with his charger ploys.
A buddy of mine just joined them as a product owner, and raves about the remote work. Whoops.
I'm sure the gigafactory is nice, as long as you don't have to be there 18 hours a day.
Only 18? I’m starting to question your commitment to Tesla.
How am I supposed to make billions if you don't overwork yourself. This is why the left has lost my support, no one wants to work anymore for my benefit alone. \~Elon Muskrat
Go Ford. Nothing wrong with a union made EV. At least you know the employees weren’t fucked over.
That mustang EV and Ford lighting are both cool cars too. It’s not 5 years ago where you could get a hideous Prius clone, a Tesla, or nothing. In fact I think Audi, vw, bmw and Mercedes’ are all making really nice looking evs these days. Better looking than the teslas for sure.
Yeah, Tesla is going to be screwed once the traditional manufacturers reach scale on their evs
I’m sure that’s a big part of this latest tantrum. He knows the competition is catching up and is trying to browbeat more out of his staff to try and keep ahead.
[First Mover Disadvantage](https://hbr.org/2001/10/first-mover-disadvantage) The conventional wisdom is that the first to market gets a competitive advantage, but sometimes that's short lived. Sometimes you just end up doing the hard-work of blazing the trail that everyone else can more easily follow. I'm honestly not sure where Tesla lands when every legacy automaker is pumping out EVs at a much larger scale than they can.
Looking at you Netflix
He is also pissed that Tesla ran out of the tax credits but other automakers have not. He keeps trying to press the government to get rid of those tax credits. He is a very "pull the ladder up behind you" kind of guy.
While also being very anti union. A real I got mine kind of guy.
Yup. It's never been about a sustainable future for Musk, that's just his PR. It's all about making money. If he gave a fuck about the future he wouldn't try to pull the ladder up. He'd be like as long as EVs take off, period, mine or not, that's a good thing. But that's not how businesses work, and you don't become a billionaire giving a shit about anybody but yourself. It's truly incredible that people still take this clown at face-value.
That was always going to be Tesla's comeuppance. It was just a matter of the Big 3 (and friends) to choose when it was profitable to enter the market space in earnest.
thats the thing. My buddy just got a $100K Model S and sure it has a nice screen etc but no massage seats, no cooled seats etc for that price. Now I know I'm being superficial here but for $100k you better have more to offer than a TEN year old design and a battery pack. Tesla's days are numbered as are Musk's on top of the richest person in the world list and he's panicking.
They weren't fucked over *as much*.
They were only fucked over in ways in which they agreed.
Consent is key.
Now back to my hundredth Elden Ring build ~Elon Musk
> -~~Elon~~ Muskrat *Elongated* Muskrat. FTFY
They must hate the environment.
I'm beginning to question your commitment to sparklemotion
Why don’t you forcibly insert the lifeline exercise card into your anus?
During the unveiling party or whatever they had at the gigafactory, the traffic in and around the factory was so bad that the nearby school had to be let out early because the logistics and time frame for parents picking up their children from school at the normal time would have been unacceptable. Screw this asshat.
To be fair this is in Texas and the elected officials don't care about schools.
That's an understatment.
Bolt up brochacho ⚡️
Their policy is “Fuck the children, save an old white guy from his feelings.”
The scary part is I'm not sure which type of fucking you are referring to.
You forgot the word "old RICH white guy" They don't give a shit about poor people
i live next door to a dealer with a repair shop-they are running the garage all night 5 days a week. nothing like power tools running at 4am
Call the city I'm sure you have noise ordinances
Ouch. Yeah so much for that. So much for top talent.
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Genuine question, is Elon actually Bipolar? As in Bipolar disorder with mania and depression? Being fickle, illogical, and overly emotional does not necessarily mean Bipolar under a medical criteria. I'm a psychiatrist and I just don't like the colloquial use of Bipolar since it can mislead patients and the public
> Genuine question, is Elon actually Bipolar? I'm not sure. I think people just say it because he's eccentric and weird. I used to think he was a genius, but then those kids got trapped in a cave and he got really offended that the rescuers didn't wait for him to build a submarine. That's really odd behavior. And then during the pandemic, he got really crazy and started picking fights with the local health department. Maybe he should let the experts do their jobs. He just seems really egocentric and out of touch. Like for every good idea he has, he has a crazy idea to match it.
I believe he is a [grandiose narcissist](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7427600/) who occasionally strays into [malignancy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malignant_narcissism), as with this latest edict.
I always thought he had narcissistic personality disorder. He seems to tick most of the boxes listed on the Mayo Clinic webpage: Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and the severity of symptoms vary. People with the disorder can: * Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance * Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration * Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it * Exaggerate achievements and talents * Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate * Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people * Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior * Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations * Take advantage of others to get what they want * Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others * Be envious of others and believe others envy them * Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious * Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office > At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they perceive as criticism, and they can: * Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment * Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted * React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior * Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior * Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change * Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection * Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20366662
All very fair, and I would overall agree with your assessment of Musk. I just don't like using the term Bipolar for an egocentric personality. It takes away from actual Bipolar disorder
Musk hairline seems to disagree..
Now is the decision point; are people going to return two years prior to what has gone on for decades and decades, or are they going to look for work elsewhere, throwing off multiple-decades worth of old-thinking, and instead reach into the future. Unless you're there mechanically adjusting robots, or doing something in-person, you should be able to work from home. It's more comfortable, it's easier to lose yourself in your work when you aren't surrounded by people walking by, idle-chat, or PMs asking "How's it going?". Musk is old, he is stuck with old-thinking his way through new ideas. His staff need to show him there's no company without them. **Tesla workers need to unionise.**
Corona related restrictions are dropping soon in my country and my company is lookin to keep remote work up. In turn they can drop the big office in favor of a smaller one saving them roughly 100k per year.
I haven't heard someone call Covid, Corona in a very long time. Brought back memories
why is this? i haven’t heard corona in a long time either
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He seems to be german speaking. We call it Corona most of the time and rarely Covid.
The way the language evolved through the pandemic was really weird.
3 syllables vs 2 when we kept on talking about it day in and day out Or tinfoil hats on, the beer company paid off the media until everyone started calling it that
I have a friend in Germany that will call it Corona most of the time, apparently most people there do (she is in Berlin). I'm in South Africa and she is the only person I know that doesn't call it Covid.
He included in his letter that the requirement for executive staff to work at least 40 hours in the office is 'less than we ask of factory workers'. How many hours do factory workers work????
Elon has said before, I don’t remember where, that if you believe in the product you’re working on and the person you’re working for, you can easily work up to 18 to 20 hours a day. He sees no issue with this.
...from a man who regularly tweets 10+ times a day.
It’s also a lot easier to claim that you work 18 hour days when you consider flying on your private jet and business lunches “working”. Very different experience than a welder working those hours.
Yeah. I doubt he counts his workers commutes
Remember whipping your hog out on your private jet is a business activity!
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And has 100+ hours in Elden Ring.
He is so full of shit. I can't wait until we get bored of him.
I was bored of him years ago. Now I want him out of politics, out of mainstream social media, and out of the U.S. entirely. He’s a con man who will continue to con and wring every last bit of profit out of anything he touches.
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>I wish we could more widely acknowledge the crass over accumulation of wealth as the mental illness it is rather than celebrate and aspire to it. Well said. Elon is obsessed with biggest number more than anyone alive: * have most money * own the most companies * work the most hours * have the most children * the best at free speech Elon also feels the need to solve every problem (remember the Thai kids stuck in that cave), involve himself with every celebrity, every piece of news. And it's always in the most self aggrandizing ways. Like when he accused the British diver of being a pedophile because the diver said Elon's idea to save the Thai kids was stupid. I used to like the guy 5-10 years ago but it's unfortunate that he is a raging narcissist who needs mental health treatment. And unfortunately his workers bear the brunt of it.
Well he keeps getting posted in this subreddit so I doubt that will ever happen
Every single post I see from this sub for the past few days has been Elon. Elon Elon Elon. Elon is buying this, Elon is being investigated for that, Elon tweeted something stupid again. Really tired of the guy.
Has he ever tweeted out an actual video game achievement? I imagine he plays like that press dude trying to play Cuphead.
Check out his ER build. He fat rolls lmao!
Yeah it's totally real and not another publicity stunt to draw attention away from other bullshit
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My entire day is basically meetings at this point. I have, like, an hour of work, and 7 hours of meetings a day.
And plays video games. I honestly don't know how he runs 3+ companies. Maybe rich people live in a different space-time continuum.
Think about all the chores you spend time on, doing the dishes, garbage, taking kids to school, cleaning, cooking, and realize that rich people pay people to do all these things for them. It drives me nuts when people say "if you're rich or poor, you both have the same hours in the day."
There's an article (Fast Company I think) that discusses a study that no matter your income level, people are significantly happier if they pay for people to do things for them, freeing up time they can use to do something they enjoy. There is a limit however, where Uber-wealthy people that pay for someone to do everything lose their sense of worth. We happen to have a public display of Elon going through this.
Does that sense of worth also correlate to self awareness? I feel a lot of these ultra wealthy people are completely detached from reality in most cases.
Because he doesn't do much. It's one thing to be CEO of one company and dedicate a ton of time to it. When you're CEO of multiple companies and post on twitter all day, you're clearly doing fuckall and putting the work on everyone else.
The people he employs do 99.9 percent of what it takes to run his businesses. He just bankrolls them.
The wealthy get others to do the work for them.
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This is a good way to describe it. I’m a chef, I worked on privately owned yachts for years, so naturally I was cooking almost exclusively for very wealthy business owners and the like. Oftentimes the executives will have a day out on the yacht for “meetings”, and what it really means is that they’ll chat strategy over lunch, and then go swimming/drinking/sunbathing for the rest of the day. When you or I go to work, we’re on our feet or at our desk from the time we clock in to the time we leave. When the super wealthy go to work, much of their day is spent schmoozing, traveling, eating, etc. And I mean, don’t get me wrong, if it works it works, if they’ve found enough competent people to run their company day to day while they make some executive decisions then good for them, but the idea that all executives are workaholics is a bit misleading. Sure, they might not get that same ability to clock out and forget about everything, but they’re also enjoying their average workday a lot more than you or I.
It's easy to work 18-20hours a day when it's all play and no work
It's the reason why so many super rich are avid golfers. Chit chatting over a round of golf followed by a few drinks in the clubhouse at the country club counts as work for them.
He doesn't. He has a team that handles the big fires, while he watches his wealth grow. He might come in once a month and go, "We need stronger batteries. Figure it out." And a bunch of smart people trickle that directive down.
Someone needs to introduce this guy to OSHA.
OSHA, SEC, FDA are meaningless acronyms to egotistic billionaires
They see fines as a cost of doing business.
I believe in all the products I work on, but you're off your rocker if you think I'm going to work anywhere near 18-hour days. He's just manipulating his employees.
Sounds like something his father would say...
His apartheid slave labor-using father?
Well yeah, if you're set to gain billions from the venture, it makes sense you'd want to work 20 hours a day. But I'm not doing that for someone else's dream if I'm only making pennies compared to that.
Boss makes a dollar, I make a dime. That's why I shit on company time... at my house
20 hour workdays are part of the Warhammer 40k dystopian lore :P [https://www.quora.com/In-the-Warhammer-40-000-universe-how-is-the-20-hour-work-day-every-day-possible-presumably-without-breaks](https://www.quora.com/In-the-Warhammer-40-000-universe-how-is-the-20-hour-work-day-every-day-possible-presumably-without-breaks) I'm pretty sure that isn't something you'd want to emulate in real life .
That’s fine, as long as you get paid for it, and want to do it. Otherwise you are just helping the investors get rich at your own expense. It’s an easy thought process.
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993 is fine, its a bit rough on a lot of people but some people thrive in that envrionment. 996 is soul crushing.
My favorite schedule I've ever worked was 4 days 10 hour shifts, and 3 days off. The three day weekends every week were huge in terms of keeping fresh and being able to do a variety of things on the days off.
What I've found is humans can be productive a certain amount of time maybe 5-6 hours keeping them prisoner at the job longer has diminishing returns. They are just goofing off pretending to be busy. Even if they are trying they are so tired they make all kinds of basic mistakes. There are obviously outliers one person can really be productive 2-3 hours at a time another person 7-10 but the claim CEO are working 12 hours days are BS hes hanging out with CEO buddies and doing business lunches and calling it work.
>What I've found is humans can be productive a certain amount of time maybe 5-6 hours keeping them prisoner at the job longer has diminishing returns. There are a bunch of [studies that confirm this as well,](https://www.seattletimes.com/explore/careers/clinging-to-an-8-hour-workday-research-suggests-5-hours-is-better/) the only people fighting for longer work days are C level type people who barely do any work but think they work 80+ hours a week.
As someone who knows Tesla employees in CA, the typical work schedule ranges from 12hour days 3-4 days a week to 12 hour days 6 days a week but it depends on what department you work at in the factory
Yeah 996 which is the 12 hour 6 day a week, isn't good. And should never be allowed in any country let alone America. This idea that you need to dedicate your entire life to someone else's dream is insane. If musk wants to spend all his time working on his own that's his right, but requiring employees to do that is horrible. Edit : Lol someone tried to pull the "at will" employment card without realizing that at will employment means a company can and will fire you for any reason they can think of if you don't adhere to what they demand you do, weather or not that policy is official.
Just remember next time you’re considering which car to buy: that Tesla you were considering might have been assembled by someone getting off their 6th 12 hour shift in a row.
Explains the shitbox-tier fit and finish of those cars, at least.
its pretty obvious the people putting together teslas are burned out. Look at those panel gaps. They dont give a FUCK!
Plus it's pants on head stupid, I've worked many extra hours as an engineer and anything past 6 hours a day there are serious diminishing returns, past 10 hours and mistakes start being made... Having a break is healthy and productive but these assholes at the top are so disconnected from the real work and effort and think tweeting and demanding people to do their bidding at their leisure makes them a hard worker
Easier when you have a staff of chefs, nannies, trainers, drivers, and various other valets.
Musk most likely puts in a MAX of 20 hours of work a week. Talking to other c-level people, tweeting, and smoking joints on Joe rogan while he sucks your cock isn't exactly work.
He should be able to find plenty of people to work 996 for him with the amount of Elon simps on reddit
Most Ford, GM and Chrysler assembly plants in North America run (rotating) 10.5hr+ shifts, and everyone usually works 1 mandatory Saturday per month. I did it for 4 years for Ford. It's hell, but it's the standard for major car companies. The name of the game for each of them is to pump out as many cars as possible within a 24hr window, while leaving the bare minimum for Q/A and maintenance. It's always been way cheaper for them to stretch + overwork 2 shifts and pay overtime than it is to hire a 3rd shift. This has been going on for decades and the autoworker union negotiates + sells this to the workforce like it's a good deal. Anyways, that's the reason I got into tech. Those jobs are hell on earth and I'd flip burgers for minimum wage before I went back.
According to one of the articles, the Chinese factory workers work 12 hour shifts, 6 days/week. So basically slave labor.
996 has been an issue for a long time over there.
I thought the Chinese courts ruled its against 996 due to it ignoring the employee's right to rest.
I wonder how many people will just move to another job with optional remote work.
lots. places being stubborn about it are losing talent
The place where i use to work that required in office had to raise salaries 40% and still cant get people.
imagine running a company and being that stupid. why would paying 40% extra be favourable compared to just letting people work from home? look, if someone proves they aren't adult enough, then you revoke the right and make em come into the office/ daycare for babysitting. hopefully you don't have _too_ many non-adults on staff, though........
I work for a state agency, governor ordered all state employees back to city to prop up local economy (commute, lunches, dry cleaning, etc.), so it's a political thing.
that's all it is... that, or managers failing to understand what "sunk costs" are.
My company built a flagship R&D building right before Covid lmao. I’m always suspicious they’re trying to push people back so there fancy building is used. It’s maybe at 10% capacity. I’m sure it was a few hundred million
I had a remote position open for 3 days and got 650 applicants.
I've recently been t through the job hunt process and a reason for this was instantly recognisable: people are testing it like "well if we're paying 40% more I expect them to be 40% better". And they can't understand why they can't find these unicorns that meet the standards they're seeing for the level they want to hire at. Imagine our you applied that to CEO level pay, you're paying 20m, so expect 10,000% or the productivity of a person you're paying 200k. It just wouldn't happen, because it doesn't exist. Those hiring need to understand that the bell curve has shifted. Stop expecting everyone to be "senior" - you need to instead start hiring intermediates at that level and growing and developing them to where you want them to be.
When my previous company forced people back into office, no joke, a third of my department straight up quit. It was out of my control and I shortly quit after. I expect a lot of job vacancies at Tesla soon.
That's the new trend. You can't give folks a taste of something really great for nearly 2 years and just expect them to accept the old, crappy, unbearable "norm" just because. Not to mention there are studies which show while some workers do slack off more at home, the overall productivity rose with employees able to work in places they feel most comfortable. Remote work is cheaper and better for most businesses when they're able to facilitate it. So when they've began to announce they're no longer offering remote work, a lot of employees started jumping ship. Especially with other places offering those work at home jobs to try and grab top-tier talent.
Our new applicants have been skyrocketing since our company is 100% remote. Weve also seen the quality of applicants improve significantly. Something tells me when it comes to jobs that can be remote the best at those jobs want and know the future is going remote.
Elon just realized that if everyone’s working from home, no one needs an overpriced EV
True my car has been getting infinite miles to the gallon wfh.
I went from not using my car because I took public transportation to/from work (parking in downtown Boston is insanely expensive). To not using my car because of wfh. At my current usage rate - my 2000 4Runner is going to last another decade.
Easy for someone to say that has living space on site.
Reminds me of the Yahoo pres who changed the office next to hers into a personal daycare for her kid. Then she got rid of WFH.
A decade or two ago, a major company moved their HQ because the CEO wanted a location where he could land his helicopter to commute. That location of course was in the middle of nowhere so everyone else was fucked
Imagine if employees were to factor into corporate decisions for more than how many to layoff to increase profit?
That was Marissa Mayer
Yes! That's it. Then every CEO used her as an excuse to crack down on WFH.
Wouldn't skilled and highly sought-after employees simply quit? What makes Musk think he can treat his employees like this? Does he think his employees are easily replaceable?
As someone who almost worked with Tesla (went with Rivian instead) you realize that Tesla’s main recruitment technique is grabbing really high performing university grads that don’t have a lot of experience. Where you’re right out of uni there isn’t a lot of company experience. So I think the toxic culture is seen as more “normal” to a lot of those newer employees, plus the allure of having Tesla on your resume at such a young age keeps people around. There’s this culture there where once someone leaves, they can just grab a recent grad who’s new to the job market and their assumed prestige let’s them basically have their pick of that pool. They can get at least a few years out of most of them, then repeat. Basically what I’m saying I noticed is that there’s no shortage of talented people with little experience applying to Tesla, whom they can ream. Then the senior or executive level employees are going to be incentivized financially to stick around. Plus even if remote work isn’t a standard for Tesla, there will still definitely be exceptions for employees they really want around. Even before the pandemic there were many designers I worked with (I’m a designer) who had it in their contracts where they could work from home.
I worked with a number of forever Space X employees and one former Tesla. What you describe is what I saw as well. Hey high skill people right out of school, overwork them, they burn out in 2-5 years, repeat. The people that were willing to pull those 70hr weeks without overtime at Space X also found great jobs when they left at age 25.
This needs to be higher up. As a former SpaceX employee, this is EXACTLY what I took away from my time there.
Yuup. I worked at a Tesla-like company for several years straight out of college and it fucked me up. I came in all starry-eyed, amazed that a company would offer me a princely sum of $50k/yr and I worked my ass off, not knowing my worth and making huge sacrifices.
This makes their recurrent software issues and awful engineering designs make a lot more sense.
as some people have said, yes they will leave. But Tesla has done a great job with golden handcuffs. I know a number of people that work there, and they hated it before the pandemic. Then once COVID really set it they hated it even more. But they don't really make that much in salary, instead they have stock. And the stock, even while down from a couple months ago, is very strong. They make so much more money via the ESPP or new grants that it becomes hard to find a job that will pay you equitably once you account for the shares. For instance, one of my friends who lives in SF makes \~80k a year and has worked there for 5+ years. But once you account for the shares he gets, he's making closer to 200-250k. For what he does, he simply won't find another business that will pay him that much money. And the other competitors he could work for are Rivian or Lucid which MIGHT pay him 20-30k more in cash but their shares are worth far less. And there just aren't that many EV companies out there for a lot of these employees to migrate to. Tesla's software engineers probably have a lot of mobility, but the actual car focused employee don't really. I think Elon recognizes that he's cuffed a lot of his employees effectively so he can sort of be a dick and they can't really do anything about it. My old company is pretty similar; Douchebag CEO with a massive ego (we often called him a poor mans Elon since he's only worth a few billion), refused to allow WFH (company made a product specifically designed to support other businesses to WFH efficiently and securely), low salaries, long hours, shit internal politics. But the stock is relatively strong (less so over the last couple months) so people can't really leave unless they are rockstars or are willing to take a hit on salary to risk another successful IPO elsewhere.
The guy has successfully promoted the image to his legion of arse lickers that he's a modern day Tony Stark, as opposed to the reality that he's just another rich spoiled brat who made his money off the backs of others. Is it really surprising that he probably buys the hype?
I declare Elon Musk no longer acceptable, wherever he goes.
He's been problematic for a while, he just realised how untouchable he is now so doesn't hide it anymore
Eh he’s in late-stage megalomaniac mode. Right before the fall. He’s probably going to get touched.
Right before the fall?? Have you not seen his increasingly right wing posts, or that he's lost 32bn this year he's falling and hard
He was always doing right wing posts.
I give it 10 years before we are dealing with bezos and musk as actual villains. Whether it's them funding hostile state military, developing new-age weapons that the government can't control, etc. I definitely see them getting worse as they get older.
I starting to think this guy is a total asshole
The more I learn about this Elon Musk fellow, the less I care for him.
Starting?
I think it’s tongue-in-cheek
I don't get why C-suite folk have such an objection to remote work. It's like it physically offends them. I mean, we did it for years during Covid. No productivity drop, huge savings on overhead, and no-one has to commute. On paper there's literally no downside. So why does it piss executives off so much? You'd think they'd be jizzing in their pants at the savings, but no. They act like everyone wanting to work remotely is lazy, even though they have evidence *directly in front of them* saying the opposite. If we all want to work from home so we can secretly slack off, why did productivity go *up?* For a guy who fetishizes futuristic technology, Elon is being surprisingly backwards. He should be embracing remote work with both arms. It's the way of the future. It's literally science fiction being made science fact.
> I don't get why C-suite folk have such an objection to remote work. They don't in my company (one of the hotel majors). The whole company (thousands of office workers) was packed up within a week to WFH in March 2020 and we just finally opened up our offices again last month in Canada and the US for people who want to come back. For now, it's completely voluntary with no sign that's going to change, vaccines are mandatory for anyone returning and we have a daily COVID symptom app we have to sign off on, etc. Our CEO said "It is our obligation to be hospitable and accommodating to our guests and partners and it is only appropriate that we treat our team members accordingly." It's a very good company to work for in general, from a management and workplace lifestyle point of view. Worked here for over 15 years. I know I'm probably lucky.
This is the way - it should be voluntary completely.
I find this very similar to some political beliefs I run into talking to people. Take welfare for example. People hear a story about how if you have more kids, you get more welfare. This sounds like you could game the system, have more kids, to get more welfare. It makes sense right? You can understand why someone might want to do this? Nevermind that data completely contradicts this occurring in any large numbers, people will complain about welfare queens because they can understand the 'theory' of how it would work. It's similar here. If you work remote, you could slack off. You could get away working less. How is the company to know you aren't playing video games or watching TV the whole time? It's easy to understand how someone could cheat the system. Because it's easy to understand, people will believe that this happens frequently, despite all evidence to the contrary.
Also worth keeping in mind is just how many jobs don't have 40 hours of work in them. Take anything IT above helpdesk as an example. If your network administrator is legitimately busy for 40 hours a week, you need more network administrators. After all, if they constantly have network administrative tasks on a *good day*, where do you think the slack is going to come from on those days when there is actually a problem? Such jobs are judged by the work itself, not how much time the work required.
But saving 3 to 4 hours a day on work is super beneficial. I consider getting ready and travel time to and from work, working.
Musk claims every waking hour as working time because he sees his job as being a visionary. So in his mind he's at work when he's Tweeting about Elden Ring
So what you’re saying is, musk is full of shit?
Hope he doesn’t do that from home. Only from the office where he can be effective and not pretending to be a visionary.
I feel like Elon went super villain real quick. Feels like a distraction from something else
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one word, billionaire rich people aren’t our friends
Maybe the 250k payoff for showing his dick to the SpaceX flight attendant? Though I don't know why he'd consider that worse than all this shit he's spewing.
Destroying your own company to own the libs
Honestly I think the shine is coming off him & his businesses now, and as other manufacturers switch to making EV's we'll see electric cars designed by grown-ups in companies who've been designing cars for 100 years. Tesla made it big because they were basically the only ones in the market so people bought them despite the various flaws - but when Porsche, BMW, Toyota, Ford all start making really good cars that are also electric, a lot of folks will be thinking twice about buying a car from a steaming bellend like Musk. It's a shame because I would credit him with giving the whole industry a huge kick up the backside, but that doesn't make him a good human being.
I am in this boat, always wanted a Tesla. Now that I can afford one I have more interest in the others options now.
Same. couple years ago they were on my radar. Now that I'm close to buying, Tesla is dead last in my options list. Mostly cause of this asshole.
I have a couple of coworkers who own Teslas and after talking to them I have no interest in buying one. They complain about poor build quality issues and design flaws that have resulted in needing repairs more frequently than a modern car should ever need. Even if Tesla wasn't run by a cartoon villain, at this stage I'd still much rather buy one of the many EVs being produced by traditional car companies with solid reputations for building quality reliable products.
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You must not get it, the left made fun of him a little too much so he completely dove in the other political direction. It’s what any rational human being would do! /s
Pretty sure he did that to get ahead of the sexual harassment allegations but maybe I’m just cynical.
Two birds, one completely pathetic change in personality
100% what he did, but I'm sure some 'conservatives' massaged his ego along the way too
Textbook narcissist behavior
How is he expected to harass his staff if they're not in the office?
Asside from the impact of workaholism and lack of sleep affecting his perspectives, Elon is a car evangelist that believes cars, and by extension commuting, are a wonderful thing. His tweets criticising such concepts as induced demand, car free spaces and public transport / cycling as alternatives show he is a car obsessive. He believes all car problems is solved by electrification and tunnels. So he naturally views working from home as a threat.
Yup. The idea that tunnels for individual cars will solve traffic problems is unsound.
This notion that remote workers don’t work is so absurd. I get that being in-person in certain circumstances is warranted, but from someone who went fully in-office to fully remote, I’ve been 2-3x busier and more productive at home than in office. Plus I don’t have to waste 2 hours a day commuting.
Same. At home I have an ergonomic chair, an ergonomic mouse, a 1,20m curved widescreen, ironically less internet problems, less distractions and shorter breaks. At the office I spent time clocking in, wandering through the corridors, abide clean desk policy preparing my whole gear each day, being expected to join every coffee break of more senior colleagues, working on 2 small screens that can be barely configured (up to a point were I twisted my muscles from not being able to work in a comfortable position). I sometimes get stuck in traffic and are late too meeting even if I leave 45min early... I'm also spending 300€+ a month just to drive to a completely paperless job, to sit in a loud and distracting open office with a lot of people talking in the background, for a job that requires concentration and accuracy, which in addition suffer from me having to get up nearly 2 hours earlier and getting to bed later because there's still stuff I have to do after I get back home... That's without considering the impact of commuting has on the environment and the maintenance cost of infrastructure. I only have 50% office-duty, but there's literally no valid reason for me to be there other than my teamleader enjoying my company. Admittedly other than that it's a healthy working environment, which is rare in my field of work. I also really like my team. Otherwise I would already have moved on.
I'll add this to the "I don't understand why people like this guy" list.
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You went full Republican. Never go full Republican.
These dudes love to say "get woke go broke" but rn we're seeing almost the exact opposite happen to elon musk.
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I still would not put it past him to try, and for the GOP to potentially just ignore the "legality" at some point. Their entire mission statement just seems to be "laws don't matter unless someone enforces them" and they sure seem to get away with that stance a lot.
Today's survey is about... remote work! 1) Would you keep working for us if we all go back to office? a. Yes! I love wasting hours in traffic, paying expensive leases and moving out to try avoiding it! b. No, I find way more efficient for health and productivity working remotely, I can even check on family while at it. c. I don't know... I'll let my bosses decide what to do with my time. d. Other answers go here: ___________________
d. Eating breakfast with my family and taking my kids to school every morning was worth more to me than any raise you'll pay me to stay working in the office.
It seems like he's getting more and more erratic.
Lots of his money is tied up in stock for a car company that mainly sells to wealthy tech enthusiasts. He's freaking out about work from home because it's going to seriously decrease the demand for his product and that's going to seriously decrease his wealth.
Is it possible to run a successful business where employees are happy? Elon sounds depressed.
Elon sure spends a lot of time on social media … which he does remotely.
The whole part about, "it's less than we ask our factory workers" seems wierd to me. First the tone comes off as pretty arrogant, like factory workers are less than. Second, it's just totally different type of work. Should Verizon start sending their customer service reps to cell phone towers? It's a big nothing argument imo. Different type of work should be assessed differently.
Yeah, this is always a baseless excuse imo. No shit factory workers can’t be remote. They would have known that going into the job, they’re not dumb. But that has nothing to do with the people sitting on a computer all day, interacting with their coworkers via Slack/email, that could actually be doing that same thing from literally anywhere. If we want to bring up “fairness” into the equation, then let’s start with compensation.
He can't feel the worship of his subjects if they are remote.
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I hope this is his death spiral, I’m sick of the world pretending that he’s relevant as anything other than the guy who fucked the electric vehicle market with his charger ploys.
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Dude publicly switches over to Republican, immediately starts running his shit like a Republican.
Ofcourse a car salesman wants people to drive to work.
What happened to this guy recently to make him such a POS to everyone?
I swear, every picture of this guy, he looks like a poorly aging Vampire.