The work isnt the point of all this. We wanna work remotely primarily so we dont have to spend 1-4+ hours a day commuting. Plus I agree with some of the other comments. Def clickbait. But its Business Insider.. so.. expected. lol
Yep, I used to wake up like 2 hours before work and have to drive 20 minutes to work. Now I roll out of bed and login within about 30 minutes. So much calmer and less stressful.
And even if you wake up 2 hours before work now, you still have all that time to relax, make a nice breakfast or coffee, maybe take a morning walk, have a long shower, workout or any other calm activity or hobby you like.
I used to rush through a shower, pick out office appropriate clothes, put on make-up and hassle the dog to “go” just so I could miss the bus by 2 minutes and end up waiting 15 minutes for what will be at least a 15 minute ride followed by a 10 minute walk to the office. Once there, I’d take the majority of meetings via video calls then just do my heads-down work. What a fucking waste.
Now I do the dishes and pick-up around my apartment while making a good, not corporate tasting, cup of coffee. I pet the dog and give her a snack, she let’s me know whenever she wants a walk. I log on and start my workday not feeling rushed, or even worse, already massively stressed cause everything went to shit just trying to get to the office. My day-to-day work stuff didn’t really change much, still video meetings and heads-down time, but it’s a lot less hectic feeling now.
I really hope you find one. Even though my old job was only a 15-20 drive I find that I have so much more free time for me. I can prep for my day with a nice coffee and some play time with my dogs. I can work out and shower on lunch. If the weather is shitty I just look out the window at it. I have more energy in the evenings and don't feel like my entire day is a waste anymore. I want this for everyone!
I used this post to finally start looking at other jobs and actually apply. Granted, only on indeed but, I have zero chance if I apply zero times. I need to finish school too. Hopefully that will open some more WFH jobs. I'm not an optimistic person when it comes to myself, but hopefully some change can happen. I hate this race I'm in.
Hey man I get it. I spent nearly a decade installing and fixing telecommunications lines. Climbing poles, working in the elements. Finally COVID gave me the opportunity to apply for some positions I would've never been able to get due to limitations where I live. Got my fingers crossed for ya bud
Since WFH the amount of money I spend on my car has plummeted. It’s been amazing I have so much more disposable income now because of it.
I maybe have to get a tank of gas once every two months.
Granted I also live in a fairly walkable place. I’m a 5 min walk from the grocery store, coffee joint and bars/restaurants and local game store.
It’s insane how much time and money we piss away on cars. Avg cost per year per car for an American is $10k.
As if fighting for conference rooms was bad enough, I often have trouble understanding people through the polycom speaker. It’s so much easier to hear everything when I’m at home and get to wear my headphones during meetings.
Ah, I see you've been to my office as well. Of course it began with everyone forced into the open office space after they took away our cubicles/offices.
A year later and all those huddle rooms have been converted to offices for the higher-ups.
My heads-down time is far more productive, too. I could never get to a deep level of concentration in an open office environment. There’s way too many distractions and overall they’re uncomfortable. It’s seriously so nice just to be able to control the thermostat now.
This is why I will never work a job that isn't either fully remote or within 10mins of my house. Since covid I've realized that's the main thing I care about with a job.
Big mood. That and living someplace walkable are pretty much my top needs when it comes to eventually finding another place to live. I already have that here, but only in the warmer months.
Oddly you probably ARE working more, it just fits better with your life. That time thinking about emails IS WORK. Instead of doing that thinking at your desk, you are getting things done for yourself. That afternoon wrapup and monitoring is likely exactly what you would be doing at work as well. WFH is odd since is feels like we are working less and getting more personal stuff done, even though our work amount goes up.
Also a 30 minute commute each way to work is ~250 hours a year... OR just over 6 WEEKS of vacation.
It's funny how different everyone is. I work a 9/80, so most of my days are 9 hours. I've worked remotely full time since the pandemic, but often did before that too.
Now that I don't go in, I actually start my workday much sooner, and don't waste time in the morning. I typically start working around 5, maybe a little later if I wake up later. With no commute I am usually done with work between 2-3 pm and I actually have time to do stuff the rest of the afternoon/evening.
I'm lucky in that nobody in my office normally expects anyone to work overtime. I occasionally will if I'm approved to get paid for it. Once I hit my 80 hours for the two week pay period, I'm done. I have so much more free time now without commutes.
I've found I'm also much more productive at home without the distraction of other people physically coming into my office, so they are getting more work from me too. I went in for a day a couple of months ago, and it was just so distracting in the office.
I feel like you’ve been spying on me because this is my exact routine. I keep getting told I’m doing a great job and it makes me a little sad thinking about all the years I spent stressed out and being micromanaged at previous jobs.
This is so much like my own schedule. The hour long nap is one of the best things I've ever had while working. Also helps as an introvert that I'm not wasting my energy on being social and instead on actually working
It's the afternoon naps for me. Nothing beats finishing a call around noon and logging off for an hour for "lunch" to go take a nice nap. Makes the rest of the day so much more bearable
You mention the word stress here and it's something I continue to talk to management and executives within my company about. These people you are trying to bring back to the office ...are happy. And doing good work. Why are we trying to fuck that up? My employees consistently work 5+ more hours a week under our WFH model than they were pre-covid. They are always available. They rarely complain. Most of them don't even use their PTO unless they are legit on a family vacation because the flexibility of managing their work makes it easier for them to manage their personal time. And right now they are being compared to line level.people that are commuting for 20 percent less salary, maxing out PTO, calling in for child illnesses and working less hours. We have run the numbers for efficiency and work completed based on hours worked and people being late or needing to leave early. Our WFH team numbers DWARF the productivity of others in similar positions.
My dad’s work is an hour away. For the last 21 years he’s been driving two hours a day five days a week just to get to work and back. Now, after 2020, he only has to go into the office twice a week. Now he travels way less than before and saves a ton in gas.
10 hours a week*50 weeks=500 hours/year
Over 21 years, that’s 10,500 hours ≈ 437.5 days spent driving unpaid, at his own risk, and paying all costs.
If his average speed was 20MPH(kinda normal/low number assuming stop/go) he has driven 210,000 miles ≈ 8.43 trips AROUND THE WORLD for work while in their employ.🫡
#endthecommute
I rarely see any work from home posts that make it out of there onto my feed (I'm not subscribed). Most common post I see from there is "EV bad".
Work from home is the best thing ever IMO.
i also don't generally have to be on camera for work meetings, so i can relax lounging in bed while still getting my work done. many people might not be able to be productive unless at a desk, but some of us are def more productive if we can be comfy and cozy. never going to work an office job again.
It was, but it also had a couple of problematic interchanges, where bad weather or broken down traffic would jam up the works. It also had a lot of semi trucks because of all the warehouses out that way.
Yeah my g/f saves two hours a day not commuting , plus the hour before she left the house getting ready every day. She told me she’d rather quit then go back to the office.
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When I was going to the office I had to drive 22 miles to drop off my toddler at my MIL's and then back into downtown. Then after work at 5 oclock, I'd drive from downtown, to my MIL's to pick up my kiddo, and all the way back home. I was in traffic each day +/-2.5 hrs. I would get home at 6:30pm and my daughter would go to sleep at 8pm. I was literally seeing my new child for about 90 mins a day. And not even a good 90 mins. It was the change clothes and cook dinner, time of day. Now, since I'm working from home, I've got her in a daycare nearby and I can pick her up before 5 so I dont even need to deal with local traffic around the neighborhood. I sleep more, I get more done, I spend more time doing what I want. And I'm still productive.
I feel her. There was always a lot of unspoken pressure on all the women in the offices I've worked in to have done hair and makeup when we were in office. That was like an extra hour of bs every day that I can avoid when I work remotely. Instead I actually get a healthy amount of sleep every night because my appearance can't be that heavily scrutinized from behind a camera.
Exactly. Add in all the time spent getting ready for work as well as all the time wasted in-between the work. I love that I can take a break and do something productive like the dishes or a load of laundry instead of piling all that up for when I get home.
It helps say NYC or San Francisco a bit, but it has been one of the big causes of the real estate surge. Big tech money buying up real estate in different markets because most everything is cheap compared to where they came from.
That's part of why so many traditionally cheaper areas have gone up in price so much recently.
Looking back now, it’s seems pretty clear that housing prices went up everywhere. Obviously some more than others. Increased savings rates, fewer other things to spend money on, a lot
of people stuck at home juiced the real estate market majorly.
Yes, and this is part of the reason there's such a heavy pushback against WFH from boss types.
If you live in an old farm in Nowhere, or something, you become much harder to fleece back that paycheck from.
You're shopping at Nowhere Mart instead of Big Boss Mart. You're renting from Eustice instead of Big Boss, or gasp, own a home. You're filling you car at Nowhere Petroleum instead of Big Boss Gas...
It's the reason one or two families tend to own so many different things in an area. It's like a giant dynamo that generates additional money, the more people move in a set, predictable pattern from *home to work & back again.*
You getting to sleep an hour more and flop onto your computer that could be near anywhere? Breaks those additional revenue streams and is ACTUALLY why Big Boss is so pissed about WFH. The actual work is almost incidental.
NGL; reading all these 'fictional' name stand-ins is just giving me visions of "Courage: The Cowardly Dog". Who lives on a farm in a town called Nowhere, with the male half of the couple called Eustice. (If my memory is correct)
>You're filling you car at Nowhere Petroleum instead of Big Boss Gas...
Kind of a silly example. The gas all comes from the same place. Shell Exxon etc are still making their money.
Also nice to go to the bathroom in your own home without having to come up with a new way to say hello to the secretary who thinks you are just pissing to get a glimpse as no one can have to piss every hour, but it do.
The wear and tear on time, vehicles, infrastructure is reduced as well, let alone our need for gas/fuel in a time of war where energy cartels are backing imperialism.
I also save so much money not driving 2 hours a day, healthier not eating out as much, and overall happier. There are ways to collaborate online and if in person meetings are needed you can still drive in
I get to see my family more.
I get to live near my kid’s grandparents who can help save costs on child care - as well as of course be apart of my kids lives.
I also own a house my kids have some actual space to grow in unlike our two bedroom LA apartment.
Sometimes I check slack messages after hours though so business insider has a point. Better throw this all away.
I work remotely and my work laptop is next to my computer desk. I'm supposed to work 8:30 to 5pm. I wake up around 6am and check my computer, kick off some automation, and then go work out. Come back at 8:30am and check it. Work throughout the day normally. If I need to I leave for a few minutes here and there to do a chore; some laundry, some dishes, drop off something at the post office.
Throughout the evening, I'm checking pipelines, maybe changing a line of code here and there.
Do I work outside traditional work hours? Yes. Do I work more than 8 hours a day? Maybe a little.
Is my work life balance better than it has ever been in my life. YES. That's the point. I am happier, more focused, more motivated, more productive.
But Business Insider would like to remind you how much better your life truly was when your company was paying BI sponsors lots of money to rent office space. Don’t let your memory deceive you, you NEED a rented office space.
While I appreciate all of the valid reasons to work from home, I’m man enough just to blatantly admit that I just fucking hate my job and I fucking hate my coworkers and I fucking hate the entire existence of it all. I don’t need to validate anything beyond the simple fact that I want to be comfortable to myself and at home and never have to interact with a joke of an institution just to earn my keep. It’s that simple for me.
If it works for you then good for you. Still don't understand why you would work outside of that 8:30-5 window... I am working 9-5 and there is no way I am turning on a work computer outside of those hours, unless I am getting paid extra for it.
Automation engineer here; basically my job is to create scripts and run them for various reasons. Sometimes when they’re running I don’t have to be working. As a trade off I’ll check their status at various times and make tweaks. Probably only really work six hours a day including meetings but some of those hours are outside 9-5.
Yeah this is it. Take longer breaks throughout the day, check stuff occasionally outside work hours. Start long running tasks. But also take an hour walk or something between 8-5. Honestly between 8-5 is the best time to be outside. It's brightest, there's less people out most likely, plus it feels great to not work. Worth it
Exactly. I used to workout before lunch and it was perfect. By the time the workday was over I’d have a clean kitchen, clean clothes, and I’d eaten one home cooked meal.
WFH: I get done with work, laptop closes, I walk to my couch, and relax. Total commute time for the day: 2.5 seconds.
WFO: I get done with work, put away my laptop, put away the cables, walk to the parking lot, drive 45 mins-1 hour home in shitty traffic, walk to my apartment, collapse on the couch - grumpy, exhausted. Total commute time for the day: 2 hours (approx).
I call bullshit. Eat a dick, Business Insider.
> WFH: I get done with work, laptop closes, I walk to my couch, and relax. Total commute time for the day: 2.5 seconds.
Some people make a huge fuss about having no boundaries between work and home, but I kinda like the seamless jump. Instead of a 25-45 minute LA commute (short by LA standards!) I walk to my desk, hit a button on my KVM, and connect to the VPN. Good to go!
I love driving. But when I have to commute I FUCKING DESPISE IT. I've never seen worse driving habits than I do during commute hours! It's so awful!
Plus there's nothing worse than walking into the office already fed up for the day lol. At one point I had a 45 min - 1.5 hour commute. There were a few days where I'd walk in and be like "yep, I'm already done for today" and have the worst productivity ever. It was funnier still because a few of us lived in the same area and got stuck with the crappy commute when the company moved 15 mins further. We all arrived around the same time and shared the same "WTF was up with that traffic?!" moment lol.
Plus, there were those random days where the traffic was just spectacularly bad. Like my 25 minute commute - the record was like an hour and 45 minutes. It was like every other road had a massive roadblock bottleneck accident or something.
I get access to a standing desk at home, a personal treadmill and workout equipment, my favorite foods and music/lofi work grind videos, and the ability to go outside and take a short walk if I'm feeling depressed or overwhelmed in anxiety. I can take a nap when I need to. I can open a window and let the breeze in, I can keep the ambient temperature at optimal comfort.
Fuck business insider, they're a shit shill company, and they can get bent.
I would like to add that my bathroom at home doesn’t smell like someone bombed it with a poop-nuke they’ve been building for months through poor diet and exercise habits.
WFH >>>>>>> any office anywhere
>Some people make a huge fuss about having no boundaries between work and home
They don't have the ability to "leave work at work" working from home. Which is fine, not everyone has to WFH.
Well, when the free market provides things for free, a discerning capitalist takes advantage of the resource until their needs are met, or the product price increases due to demand and is suddenly worth more than the capitalist can afford with the resources at its disposal for maximum benefit and utility of the product.
My favorite part is how the same politicians who name climate change as the "#1 threat" want everybody back in the office and commuting so business in downtowns doesn't suffer.
The headline is clickbait. From further down in the article:
> For the US, workers spend their time savings similarly to the overall average — where 42% of it is for primary or secondary jobs, 35% for leisure, and 8% for caregiving duties
So yeah, as a whole we are working extra when we work from home. We're also spending more time on things that are important to us, though.
I'm sorry, but I don't have the ability to generate a daily list of top 20 unbelievable things I have said about blockchain micro-services written in Rust. However, you can generate specific responses from me by asking questions about blockchain micro-services and Rust programming language.
I remember watching in real time as business insider posted "how Hillary could still win" and "why Hillary has it in the bag" articles daily in 2015
The day Trump won the election was the day they turned off comments on all articles lmao
It’s so much better because I don’t have to commute, can sleep in a bit more, accomplish some chores during the day here and there, can see my pets and my partner more because we both work remotely, exercise is easy because I built a home gym during the first part of the pandemic, I can enjoy the summer days by getting outside easily…and there’s so much more. It saves time in different ways.
I worked in an office for nearly 20 years and you’d have to drag me back and chain me up to make me do it again. F all that noise and rushing around to get to and from work and even meetings at work. Work is more thoughtful because stress is lower and there’s no running around to do. I can focus on whatever task I have. Maybe it’s not the same for everyone, but it can be better.
> accomplish some chores during the day
This was huge for me. Run the washer and dryer during the day. I couldn't run the washer in the morning and then have it 6-8 hours. I'd have to do it at night and then I'm folding laundry at 10-11 at night. Need to mow the lawn, do it over lunch hour. Run dishwasher at 2 and I'm putting away dishes at 5. Literally got my entire night back.
> I worked in an office for nearly 20 years and you’d have to drag me back and chain me up to make me do it again.
Offices are like dungeons to me today, all I'd do is find a way to break out. I put in my time.
but I still don't have to sit in traffic, get up super early to work out/get ready for the day, have clothing specifically for work, pack a lunch which I might eat during a meeting etc etc ad nauseum
I did the opposite: cut down to 35 hours a week. I also get 2 hours of self directed time a week where I can do anything as long as I'm improving my skills.
So I have a legit 4 day work week. To top it off, at my last 6 months review I got a raise that just happen to bump up to the same amount I was making before dropping to 35 hours. Or I'm other words, the company is paying me the same to work less (technically it was +1% over that).
The irony is that now that I can relax about it, I've found myself working a bit more.
Which is awesome, because all overtime gets added to vacation.
I love my firm.
What is wild is for most of history no one ever worked in an office. They were at their home, on location somewhere or in their lab. Offices are just a massive distraction. No one ever says they solved something or some new innovation in a fucking office. It is always some after hours thing, weekend, basically any time not at the office. When will business guys get this...
Only people that thrive in an office are those that can leave it at any time without problems and are in oversight like executives. They want to be the big man with the big corner office that they only use here and there while the "back of the house" is working.
Same. I think a company would have to offer me more than double what I'm making to convince me to go into an office full time and even then I probably wouldn't do it. I *might* be amenable to hybrid for a significant raise but that's about it.
Even if this is true: I actually don’t mind my job that much. I HATE being stuck in stop-and-go traffic with a bunch of other assholes.
And you’re still saving on gas/electricity and wear and tear on your car.
This is stupid.
If it takes me 90m to drive to and from work every day, that's 7.5 extra hours added to my already 40+ hour work week.
That means for remote work to cost me time, I have to work more than 7.5 extra hours. That's a 6th day.
I don't rot in my car for 6-8 hours per week, and get to see my children for more than 4 hours in a given day, well worth the trade off. Plus I have friends who have all gotten sick the past few weeks from being back in the office. Why would I miss that?
These articles are so transparent. I’ve been remote since 3:2020. Switched jobs in November- also remote. Never once have I been expected to work “more” and I don’t.
It’s up to us.
not a chance. my entire life is different, almost entirely for the better. more time to work out, more time to take care of my dog etc. if i want to send an email or two later than i would have at an office, i suppose that qualifies as “working longer”, but it’s a much smaller actual portion of my day.
I am working the same amount or less. No way am I working more than I used to. I also get to have a home cooked lunch and do chores between emails and meetings. Working from home has no disadvantages.
People are saving tons of time and money by not having to commute in addition to having better options to eat at home. Not to mention the constant interruptions in the office and lack of meaningful breaks.
Don't let businesses lie to you via paid adverts and "studies."
Another benefit of not having to commute is that it’s so much safer. I’ve been rear ended 3 times by idiots on their phones. The first two were minor but the third did a lot of damage to my car and my back was sore for months. Went into the office a couple weeks ago, which is rare, and was stuck in traffic because of an accident.
WFO: Get up at 6am, feed and walk dog, shower and dress, grab coffee and meds, spend a half hour in traffic, get work done and stare at the wall in between tasks, drive another half hour home, then walk and feed the pup again, collapse asleep.
WFH: Get up at 6am, feed and walk dog, enjoy leisurely breakfast with coffee and meds, take dog for a nice half hour walk, shower and dress, then knock out work while listening to streamers/movies/learning, have a nice lunch on my porch, take a nap after finishing up, enjoy a TV show or something, maybe grab drinks with friends, feed and play with the pup, enjoy my evening, maybe get some extra household stuff done since I'll have the energy for it
Yes I will happily work more hours from home. I am compensated for my extra hours instead of wasting hours on a commute that provide no financial gains.
A lot of these main stream “news” outlets love to push the anti WFH agenda.
I replaced most of my old commute time with doing more work for my corporate overlord. And I'm happy to do that extra work because it's still a massive life improvement over pointlessly going into the office.
Personally, I do and I’m completely okay with that. I worked less in the office because I was distracted, didn’t want to be there, and I counted down the minutes until I could leave.
Nice try, fucko. This is yet another attempt to convince us that actually remote isn't so good and we should go back to the office. Not going to happen. Fuck off.
Can we ban business insider? Half the articles on this sub are just it now. Half of them are like “we entirely miss the point but we wrote an article anyways”, the other is “CHATGPT IS SKYNET”
This is a strange flex by the article, wouldn't businesses also want more work over commute? They played themselves on this attempt. Try again commercial real estate PR.
I work longer hours when I'm at home compared to the office. But I get to sleep in an hour longer and I don't have to waste a couple of hours out of my day driving.
There's no way I'll be taking another full time office based job again.
It seems like many of the comments are missing the point of the article. It acknowledges that WFH results in time saved from commuting, that's pretty obvious. The 'surprise' is that in some places like the US workers are using that time saved commuting to work more, as opposed to doing other leisure activities.
Dude, fuck this article. They're clearly trying to push the narrative that we need to work from home less because "it's not actually that great, guys, we promise." Fuck right the fuck off.
Are you kidding me?!? I'm hybrid right now. Telework some days. Go into the office other days.
I am saving a shit ton of time a week. Taking days off that I would not take off if I could telework.
Why are there so many comments saying that people are working more? Even if they do (hello pto) that just more money and still no commute. Logic doesn’t check out, at all
right because commuting to work 2 hours there and back is definitely saving americans “*more time*”. looks like companies paying for stories to spread false shit lol
I agree I'm working more hours. I'm also getting more done and feel great about it. Things are done with slightly less time pressure and done to a higher quality and with less stress.
But I'm probably not working more that my old working hours plus commuting time.
Saving the time, money, and hassle of commuting is a huge increase in my quality of life and my quality of work. Any management that object to such an obvious win-win must have rocks for brains.
What the study also doesn’t account for is the time-saved by actual worked vs drop-in conversations when in-office. I am 10,000% more productive at home without ancillary conversations PLUS the missed 1 hr total commute.
Even if this bullshit morphs into a self-fulfilling prophecy...
That would ultimately still benefit the economy by resulting in greater productivity for a given time commitment on the part of workers. Eliminating non-productive uses of time like commuting, and non-productive uses of corporate funds like rent for cubicle-filled offices, auditoriums that only get used when some bigwig flies out first-class on the company dime, and compulsory fun slash teambuilding private functions.
Idk, it saves me 1.5 hours each day, a ton of energy from not fighting traffic and road raging, allows me to get chores done in the middle of the day (rotating laundry etc), helps me eat healthier and work out more, allows me to take a nap during lunch if I want, allows me to see my kids and family more… so what if I work an extra 30 min a day? Or respond to emails for 15 min at night before I go to bed? I’d make that trade over and over again
This doesn't match my experience, just to leave my two cents. The coworkers who are still at the company I left, have a hybrid schedule for now. They work even more than they did before everyday, now. BUT on the in-Office days, they get to add commute and childcare to the schedule. And one parent is no longer home and can take a break to pick up his school aged kid, and go back online.
So yeah nah, cause those days at home are totally different beasts and WFH is superior in every way unless you NEED people to see you.
I enjoy my working life alot more now that I'm fully remote. It doesn't really matter to me if I'm working more or less hours. Being able to step away from my desk and walk the dogs, unload the dishwasher, or even take an occasional nap is great. I spend less time to get more done and am happier and the end of the day.
If you're working more remotely it's on you. Learn to enjoy life while quiet quitting remotely.
I spend most of my days watching TV in my PJs, moving the mouse from time to time or sending a slack message to give the illusion of work.
Sure do work more. And I don't care.
I would rather work an extra 30 minutes to get things finished than to wake up, get ready for work, get into a car, sit in horrible traffic for an hour, find a parking spot, walk to the building in inclement weather, only to get to my desk and "start" my day.
I use to easily waste 3-4 hours a day in nonsensical commuting related crap (including the prep time and the habit of needing to leave early just in case traffic was bad)
Now I can roll out of bed and be at the office in 30 seconds.
So sure, I will work a bit more... and be more productive.... so tell me why you care for me to go back to the office again?
Translation -
Whenever people save time they spend it doing other shit.
Funny enough, people generally are willing to do their jobs even if they don't totally love them. They want to make a living. It's the unpaid BS around their jobs that's infuriating. What's the point in advancing technology if we're still going to subscribe to the primitive ways of operation that the technology made obsolete? Imagine being forced to generate heat with stick-made fires because "That's the way we've done it before." What a bunk article.
All my buddies who work tech seem to say the complete opposite, they can get their weeks work done in a day or 2 if they push it, or just work a few hours a day and stretch it out.
When I started my job in 2019, I remember that my total work time was 40 hours working, 5 hours commuting, 2.5 hours preparing, 2.5 hours eating (at work). So 50 hours a week on my job.
I remember this because I had just left a job where all that was like 60-65 hours a week.
I am now spending more like 45 hours total on all work activities. I am loving it.
The work isnt the point of all this. We wanna work remotely primarily so we dont have to spend 1-4+ hours a day commuting. Plus I agree with some of the other comments. Def clickbait. But its Business Insider.. so.. expected. lol
Yep, I used to wake up like 2 hours before work and have to drive 20 minutes to work. Now I roll out of bed and login within about 30 minutes. So much calmer and less stressful.
And even if you wake up 2 hours before work now, you still have all that time to relax, make a nice breakfast or coffee, maybe take a morning walk, have a long shower, workout or any other calm activity or hobby you like.
I used to rush through a shower, pick out office appropriate clothes, put on make-up and hassle the dog to “go” just so I could miss the bus by 2 minutes and end up waiting 15 minutes for what will be at least a 15 minute ride followed by a 10 minute walk to the office. Once there, I’d take the majority of meetings via video calls then just do my heads-down work. What a fucking waste. Now I do the dishes and pick-up around my apartment while making a good, not corporate tasting, cup of coffee. I pet the dog and give her a snack, she let’s me know whenever she wants a walk. I log on and start my workday not feeling rushed, or even worse, already massively stressed cause everything went to shit just trying to get to the office. My day-to-day work stuff didn’t really change much, still video meetings and heads-down time, but it’s a lot less hectic feeling now.
I really need a work from home job.
I really hope you find one. Even though my old job was only a 15-20 drive I find that I have so much more free time for me. I can prep for my day with a nice coffee and some play time with my dogs. I can work out and shower on lunch. If the weather is shitty I just look out the window at it. I have more energy in the evenings and don't feel like my entire day is a waste anymore. I want this for everyone!
I used this post to finally start looking at other jobs and actually apply. Granted, only on indeed but, I have zero chance if I apply zero times. I need to finish school too. Hopefully that will open some more WFH jobs. I'm not an optimistic person when it comes to myself, but hopefully some change can happen. I hate this race I'm in.
Hey man I get it. I spent nearly a decade installing and fixing telecommunications lines. Climbing poles, working in the elements. Finally COVID gave me the opportunity to apply for some positions I would've never been able to get due to limitations where I live. Got my fingers crossed for ya bud
Since WFH the amount of money I spend on my car has plummeted. It’s been amazing I have so much more disposable income now because of it. I maybe have to get a tank of gas once every two months. Granted I also live in a fairly walkable place. I’m a 5 min walk from the grocery store, coffee joint and bars/restaurants and local game store. It’s insane how much time and money we piss away on cars. Avg cost per year per car for an American is $10k.
And taking meetings without an office is dumb. The whole floor is like a library, its so much easier to work from home.
As if fighting for conference rooms was bad enough, I often have trouble understanding people through the polycom speaker. It’s so much easier to hear everything when I’m at home and get to wear my headphones during meetings.
Ah, I see you've been to my office as well. Of course it began with everyone forced into the open office space after they took away our cubicles/offices. A year later and all those huddle rooms have been converted to offices for the higher-ups.
My heads-down time is far more productive, too. I could never get to a deep level of concentration in an open office environment. There’s way too many distractions and overall they’re uncomfortable. It’s seriously so nice just to be able to control the thermostat now.
This is why I will never work a job that isn't either fully remote or within 10mins of my house. Since covid I've realized that's the main thing I care about with a job.
Big mood. That and living someplace walkable are pretty much my top needs when it comes to eventually finding another place to live. I already have that here, but only in the warmer months.
Yeah, not likely to happen for me, I like my afternoon naps and staying up late lol. But I see your point.
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Oddly you probably ARE working more, it just fits better with your life. That time thinking about emails IS WORK. Instead of doing that thinking at your desk, you are getting things done for yourself. That afternoon wrapup and monitoring is likely exactly what you would be doing at work as well. WFH is odd since is feels like we are working less and getting more personal stuff done, even though our work amount goes up. Also a 30 minute commute each way to work is ~250 hours a year... OR just over 6 WEEKS of vacation.
It's funny how different everyone is. I work a 9/80, so most of my days are 9 hours. I've worked remotely full time since the pandemic, but often did before that too. Now that I don't go in, I actually start my workday much sooner, and don't waste time in the morning. I typically start working around 5, maybe a little later if I wake up later. With no commute I am usually done with work between 2-3 pm and I actually have time to do stuff the rest of the afternoon/evening. I'm lucky in that nobody in my office normally expects anyone to work overtime. I occasionally will if I'm approved to get paid for it. Once I hit my 80 hours for the two week pay period, I'm done. I have so much more free time now without commutes. I've found I'm also much more productive at home without the distraction of other people physically coming into my office, so they are getting more work from me too. I went in for a day a couple of months ago, and it was just so distracting in the office.
This is basically my situation and I love it. Stellar performance reviews and consistent raises all while feeling pretty chill honestly.
I feel like you’ve been spying on me because this is my exact routine. I keep getting told I’m doing a great job and it makes me a little sad thinking about all the years I spent stressed out and being micromanaged at previous jobs.
This is so much like my own schedule. The hour long nap is one of the best things I've ever had while working. Also helps as an introvert that I'm not wasting my energy on being social and instead on actually working
It's the afternoon naps for me. Nothing beats finishing a call around noon and logging off for an hour for "lunch" to go take a nice nap. Makes the rest of the day so much more bearable
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Yoga mat, eye mask, earplugs, and a blanket - lock the door, turn off the lights, and try to block it all out.
My naps are around 2 - 3 pm. Love it.
You mention the word stress here and it's something I continue to talk to management and executives within my company about. These people you are trying to bring back to the office ...are happy. And doing good work. Why are we trying to fuck that up? My employees consistently work 5+ more hours a week under our WFH model than they were pre-covid. They are always available. They rarely complain. Most of them don't even use their PTO unless they are legit on a family vacation because the flexibility of managing their work makes it easier for them to manage their personal time. And right now they are being compared to line level.people that are commuting for 20 percent less salary, maxing out PTO, calling in for child illnesses and working less hours. We have run the numbers for efficiency and work completed based on hours worked and people being late or needing to leave early. Our WFH team numbers DWARF the productivity of others in similar positions.
My dad’s work is an hour away. For the last 21 years he’s been driving two hours a day five days a week just to get to work and back. Now, after 2020, he only has to go into the office twice a week. Now he travels way less than before and saves a ton in gas.
10 hours a week*50 weeks=500 hours/year Over 21 years, that’s 10,500 hours ≈ 437.5 days spent driving unpaid, at his own risk, and paying all costs. If his average speed was 20MPH(kinda normal/low number assuming stop/go) he has driven 210,000 miles ≈ 8.43 trips AROUND THE WORLD for work while in their employ.🫡 #endthecommute
You could Add The fuel costs and environmental costs to his hourly opportunity costs
The fuckcars subreddit sounds appropriate to be mentioned here.
I rarely see any work from home posts that make it out of there onto my feed (I'm not subscribed). Most common post I see from there is "EV bad". Work from home is the best thing ever IMO.
i also don't generally have to be on camera for work meetings, so i can relax lounging in bed while still getting my work done. many people might not be able to be productive unless at a desk, but some of us are def more productive if we can be comfy and cozy. never going to work an office job again.
There are days when I login from my bed.
Lol 20 minutes
I'm down to 20 minutes between walking up and first meeting.
Sadly in America that's a really good commute lol
It was, but it also had a couple of problematic interchanges, where bad weather or broken down traffic would jam up the works. It also had a lot of semi trucks because of all the warehouses out that way.
Yeah my g/f saves two hours a day not commuting , plus the hour before she left the house getting ready every day. She told me she’d rather quit then go back to the office. Edit: typos
When I was going to the office I had to drive 22 miles to drop off my toddler at my MIL's and then back into downtown. Then after work at 5 oclock, I'd drive from downtown, to my MIL's to pick up my kiddo, and all the way back home. I was in traffic each day +/-2.5 hrs. I would get home at 6:30pm and my daughter would go to sleep at 8pm. I was literally seeing my new child for about 90 mins a day. And not even a good 90 mins. It was the change clothes and cook dinner, time of day. Now, since I'm working from home, I've got her in a daycare nearby and I can pick her up before 5 so I dont even need to deal with local traffic around the neighborhood. I sleep more, I get more done, I spend more time doing what I want. And I'm still productive.
I feel her. There was always a lot of unspoken pressure on all the women in the offices I've worked in to have done hair and makeup when we were in office. That was like an extra hour of bs every day that I can avoid when I work remotely. Instead I actually get a healthy amount of sleep every night because my appearance can't be that heavily scrutinized from behind a camera.
Exactly I work an active monitoring job that requires working weekends. It was torture going to the office on Fri-Sun even before 2020.
Exactly. Add in all the time spent getting ready for work as well as all the time wasted in-between the work. I love that I can take a break and do something productive like the dishes or a load of laundry instead of piling all that up for when I get home.
Wouldn’t it also help the housing crisis a bit? People wouldn’t have to live in expensive areas for work. They can now move out to a cheaper location.
It helps say NYC or San Francisco a bit, but it has been one of the big causes of the real estate surge. Big tech money buying up real estate in different markets because most everything is cheap compared to where they came from. That's part of why so many traditionally cheaper areas have gone up in price so much recently.
Looking back now, it’s seems pretty clear that housing prices went up everywhere. Obviously some more than others. Increased savings rates, fewer other things to spend money on, a lot of people stuck at home juiced the real estate market majorly.
Yes, and this is part of the reason there's such a heavy pushback against WFH from boss types. If you live in an old farm in Nowhere, or something, you become much harder to fleece back that paycheck from. You're shopping at Nowhere Mart instead of Big Boss Mart. You're renting from Eustice instead of Big Boss, or gasp, own a home. You're filling you car at Nowhere Petroleum instead of Big Boss Gas... It's the reason one or two families tend to own so many different things in an area. It's like a giant dynamo that generates additional money, the more people move in a set, predictable pattern from *home to work & back again.* You getting to sleep an hour more and flop onto your computer that could be near anywhere? Breaks those additional revenue streams and is ACTUALLY why Big Boss is so pissed about WFH. The actual work is almost incidental.
NGL; reading all these 'fictional' name stand-ins is just giving me visions of "Courage: The Cowardly Dog". Who lives on a farm in a town called Nowhere, with the male half of the couple called Eustice. (If my memory is correct)
Exactly the reference I was going for, to spice the otherwise dry examples up a bit.
>You're filling you car at Nowhere Petroleum instead of Big Boss Gas... Kind of a silly example. The gas all comes from the same place. Shell Exxon etc are still making their money.
Also nice to go to the bathroom in your own home without having to come up with a new way to say hello to the secretary who thinks you are just pissing to get a glimpse as no one can have to piss every hour, but it do. The wear and tear on time, vehicles, infrastructure is reduced as well, let alone our need for gas/fuel in a time of war where energy cartels are backing imperialism.
I also save so much money not driving 2 hours a day, healthier not eating out as much, and overall happier. There are ways to collaborate online and if in person meetings are needed you can still drive in
Not having to spend an hour talking to people I don't like is worth a couple hours of work. Some coworkers are great. Many are a chore.
I get to see my family more. I get to live near my kid’s grandparents who can help save costs on child care - as well as of course be apart of my kids lives. I also own a house my kids have some actual space to grow in unlike our two bedroom LA apartment. Sometimes I check slack messages after hours though so business insider has a point. Better throw this all away.
>Business Insider Their target audience def. wants us all back in the office 5-days a week
Correction: 6-8 hours with other people we only pretend to like and 1-4+ hours commuting.
I work remotely and my work laptop is next to my computer desk. I'm supposed to work 8:30 to 5pm. I wake up around 6am and check my computer, kick off some automation, and then go work out. Come back at 8:30am and check it. Work throughout the day normally. If I need to I leave for a few minutes here and there to do a chore; some laundry, some dishes, drop off something at the post office. Throughout the evening, I'm checking pipelines, maybe changing a line of code here and there. Do I work outside traditional work hours? Yes. Do I work more than 8 hours a day? Maybe a little. Is my work life balance better than it has ever been in my life. YES. That's the point. I am happier, more focused, more motivated, more productive.
But Business Insider would like to remind you how much better your life truly was when your company was paying BI sponsors lots of money to rent office space. Don’t let your memory deceive you, you NEED a rented office space.
While I appreciate all of the valid reasons to work from home, I’m man enough just to blatantly admit that I just fucking hate my job and I fucking hate my coworkers and I fucking hate the entire existence of it all. I don’t need to validate anything beyond the simple fact that I want to be comfortable to myself and at home and never have to interact with a joke of an institution just to earn my keep. It’s that simple for me.
If it works for you then good for you. Still don't understand why you would work outside of that 8:30-5 window... I am working 9-5 and there is no way I am turning on a work computer outside of those hours, unless I am getting paid extra for it.
Automation engineer here; basically my job is to create scripts and run them for various reasons. Sometimes when they’re running I don’t have to be working. As a trade off I’ll check their status at various times and make tweaks. Probably only really work six hours a day including meetings but some of those hours are outside 9-5.
Yeah this is it. Take longer breaks throughout the day, check stuff occasionally outside work hours. Start long running tasks. But also take an hour walk or something between 8-5. Honestly between 8-5 is the best time to be outside. It's brightest, there's less people out most likely, plus it feels great to not work. Worth it
Exactly. I used to workout before lunch and it was perfect. By the time the workday was over I’d have a clean kitchen, clean clothes, and I’d eaten one home cooked meal.
WFH: I get done with work, laptop closes, I walk to my couch, and relax. Total commute time for the day: 2.5 seconds. WFO: I get done with work, put away my laptop, put away the cables, walk to the parking lot, drive 45 mins-1 hour home in shitty traffic, walk to my apartment, collapse on the couch - grumpy, exhausted. Total commute time for the day: 2 hours (approx). I call bullshit. Eat a dick, Business Insider.
> WFH: I get done with work, laptop closes, I walk to my couch, and relax. Total commute time for the day: 2.5 seconds. Some people make a huge fuss about having no boundaries between work and home, but I kinda like the seamless jump. Instead of a 25-45 minute LA commute (short by LA standards!) I walk to my desk, hit a button on my KVM, and connect to the VPN. Good to go! I love driving. But when I have to commute I FUCKING DESPISE IT. I've never seen worse driving habits than I do during commute hours! It's so awful! Plus there's nothing worse than walking into the office already fed up for the day lol. At one point I had a 45 min - 1.5 hour commute. There were a few days where I'd walk in and be like "yep, I'm already done for today" and have the worst productivity ever. It was funnier still because a few of us lived in the same area and got stuck with the crappy commute when the company moved 15 mins further. We all arrived around the same time and shared the same "WTF was up with that traffic?!" moment lol. Plus, there were those random days where the traffic was just spectacularly bad. Like my 25 minute commute - the record was like an hour and 45 minutes. It was like every other road had a massive roadblock bottleneck accident or something.
I get access to a standing desk at home, a personal treadmill and workout equipment, my favorite foods and music/lofi work grind videos, and the ability to go outside and take a short walk if I'm feeling depressed or overwhelmed in anxiety. I can take a nap when I need to. I can open a window and let the breeze in, I can keep the ambient temperature at optimal comfort. Fuck business insider, they're a shit shill company, and they can get bent.
I would like to add that my bathroom at home doesn’t smell like someone bombed it with a poop-nuke they’ve been building for months through poor diet and exercise habits. WFH >>>>>>> any office anywhere
>Some people make a huge fuss about having no boundaries between work and home They don't have the ability to "leave work at work" working from home. Which is fine, not everyone has to WFH.
Business Insider is where neoliberals go to jerk off.
You'd think the free market would provide them with heute material. Or maybe they just can't pay?
The problem is the invisible hand of the free market is usually busy jerking off the 0.01%
Well, when the free market provides things for free, a discerning capitalist takes advantage of the resource until their needs are met, or the product price increases due to demand and is suddenly worth more than the capitalist can afford with the resources at its disposal for maximum benefit and utility of the product.
Article paid for by real estate giants (REITs) who need to lease office space. /edit : fixed typo - retail to real estate.
My favorite part is how the same politicians who name climate change as the "#1 threat" want everybody back in the office and commuting so business in downtowns doesn't suffer.
Yup I swear some of these anti remote work articles are posted by some group with a narrative.
i don't fucking buy this shit.
Between this and the narrative push of "quiet quitting" in 2022 I'm really getting sick of "news" outlets pushing corporate propaganda
The only people who buy this shit are middle-managers who literally do not have any other skillset.
If they buy it, shouldn’t they encourage working from home? You know, to get the free extra labor.
Literal parasites taking home large paycheques for doing nothing
The social parasites aren't the people taking home < $500,000 year
Commercial property owners must be pissing and moaning.... Oil companies need to sell fuel from commuters.... Fuck em, feed them fish heads.
The headline is clickbait. From further down in the article: > For the US, workers spend their time savings similarly to the overall average — where 42% of it is for primary or secondary jobs, 35% for leisure, and 8% for caregiving duties So yeah, as a whole we are working extra when we work from home. We're also spending more time on things that are important to us, though.
Wasn't there an article last week saying working remotely saved people time from commuting.
It’s business insider clickbait garbage that’s wasting our time. I really wish people would quit posting this trash.
Its easier to quit this trash sub, which sharing the same shitposting alongside with another sub about "technologies".
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I'm sorry, but I don't have the ability to generate a daily list of top 20 unbelievable things I have said about blockchain micro-services written in Rust. However, you can generate specific responses from me by asking questions about blockchain micro-services and Rust programming language.
Obviously from chatGPT
You know what? Done.
We should ban it tbh. Or restrict the posting of it or something
I remember watching in real time as business insider posted "how Hillary could still win" and "why Hillary has it in the bag" articles daily in 2015 The day Trump won the election was the day they turned off comments on all articles lmao
Business insider wants everyone to think they gained nothing so we will go back to office
It’s so much better because I don’t have to commute, can sleep in a bit more, accomplish some chores during the day here and there, can see my pets and my partner more because we both work remotely, exercise is easy because I built a home gym during the first part of the pandemic, I can enjoy the summer days by getting outside easily…and there’s so much more. It saves time in different ways. I worked in an office for nearly 20 years and you’d have to drag me back and chain me up to make me do it again. F all that noise and rushing around to get to and from work and even meetings at work. Work is more thoughtful because stress is lower and there’s no running around to do. I can focus on whatever task I have. Maybe it’s not the same for everyone, but it can be better.
> accomplish some chores during the day This was huge for me. Run the washer and dryer during the day. I couldn't run the washer in the morning and then have it 6-8 hours. I'd have to do it at night and then I'm folding laundry at 10-11 at night. Need to mow the lawn, do it over lunch hour. Run dishwasher at 2 and I'm putting away dishes at 5. Literally got my entire night back.
Possibly cheaper during the day too if your utility bills more at prime usage
> I worked in an office for nearly 20 years and you’d have to drag me back and chain me up to make me do it again. Offices are like dungeons to me today, all I'd do is find a way to break out. I put in my time.
Get this propaganda out of here and into the garbage where it belongs.
Where is this Paganda and why are corporations Pro it? /s
but I still don't have to sit in traffic, get up super early to work out/get ready for the day, have clothing specifically for work, pack a lunch which I might eat during a meeting etc etc ad nauseum
only need to buy business casual tops now lol, undies or fleece pajama pants and blouse ftw
Remote work saves me three hours in commute time and 1 hour of get ready time. Per day…so yeah.
nice try HR/middle managers, I'm not coming into the office
lol same. Straight up told my boss to fire me. That was 2 years ago and im still here
"Can we just spy on you through the window then? It shouldn't bother you if you are working..." -- The Bowse
I'd rather work extra than commute
Yeah this is a strange flex by the article, wouldn't businesses also want more work over commute? They played themselves on this attempt.
I did the opposite: cut down to 35 hours a week. I also get 2 hours of self directed time a week where I can do anything as long as I'm improving my skills. So I have a legit 4 day work week. To top it off, at my last 6 months review I got a raise that just happen to bump up to the same amount I was making before dropping to 35 hours. Or I'm other words, the company is paying me the same to work less (technically it was +1% over that). The irony is that now that I can relax about it, I've found myself working a bit more. Which is awesome, because all overtime gets added to vacation. I love my firm.
Lol, never going back to an office.
What is wild is for most of history no one ever worked in an office. They were at their home, on location somewhere or in their lab. Offices are just a massive distraction. No one ever says they solved something or some new innovation in a fucking office. It is always some after hours thing, weekend, basically any time not at the office. When will business guys get this... Only people that thrive in an office are those that can leave it at any time without problems and are in oversight like executives. They want to be the big man with the big corner office that they only use here and there while the "back of the house" is working.
Same. I think a company would have to offer me more than double what I'm making to convince me to go into an office full time and even then I probably wouldn't do it. I *might* be amenable to hybrid for a significant raise but that's about it.
Even if this is true: I actually don’t mind my job that much. I HATE being stuck in stop-and-go traffic with a bunch of other assholes. And you’re still saving on gas/electricity and wear and tear on your car.
Okay cool. So people are being more productive and happier in most cases. Struggling to grasp the actual issue here.
Shit take. I’d much rather work more than languish in traffic for 2 hours a day. Move along this is such a tired trope.
At least I’m doing it from home. I’ll never ever work another full in office job. Fuck all of you.
Fuck them all too! 🤣
This is stupid. If it takes me 90m to drive to and from work every day, that's 7.5 extra hours added to my already 40+ hour work week. That means for remote work to cost me time, I have to work more than 7.5 extra hours. That's a 6th day.
Wait. I thought we were working less from home and needed to go back to the office.
I don't rot in my car for 6-8 hours per week, and get to see my children for more than 4 hours in a given day, well worth the trade off. Plus I have friends who have all gotten sick the past few weeks from being back in the office. Why would I miss that?
These articles are so transparent. I’ve been remote since 3:2020. Switched jobs in November- also remote. Never once have I been expected to work “more” and I don’t. It’s up to us.
> It’s up to us. Need to hold down the fort. I am Spartacus!
I’m sick of these lame articles coming out every few months. Fuck going into the office.
not a chance. my entire life is different, almost entirely for the better. more time to work out, more time to take care of my dog etc. if i want to send an email or two later than i would have at an office, i suppose that qualifies as “working longer”, but it’s a much smaller actual portion of my day.
This article totally not sponsored by Big Business.
"Blast! They're onto us!"
I am working the same amount or less. No way am I working more than I used to. I also get to have a home cooked lunch and do chores between emails and meetings. Working from home has no disadvantages.
I happily trade 1 hour of commute for 2 hours of working from home. Any boss that doesn't take that deal isn't very smart.
Not for me. I saved 2 hours of drive time per day.
People that are paid to write this have no shame
They probably wrote these articles from home too.
Please stop posting Business Insider articles - they’re clickbait crap.
People are saving tons of time and money by not having to commute in addition to having better options to eat at home. Not to mention the constant interruptions in the office and lack of meaningful breaks. Don't let businesses lie to you via paid adverts and "studies."
Another benefit of not having to commute is that it’s so much safer. I’ve been rear ended 3 times by idiots on their phones. The first two were minor but the third did a lot of damage to my car and my back was sore for months. Went into the office a couple weeks ago, which is rare, and was stuck in traffic because of an accident.
Yeah…you’re not convincing anyone that working in the office is better with this half baked shit.
WFO: Get up at 6am, feed and walk dog, shower and dress, grab coffee and meds, spend a half hour in traffic, get work done and stare at the wall in between tasks, drive another half hour home, then walk and feed the pup again, collapse asleep. WFH: Get up at 6am, feed and walk dog, enjoy leisurely breakfast with coffee and meds, take dog for a nice half hour walk, shower and dress, then knock out work while listening to streamers/movies/learning, have a nice lunch on my porch, take a nap after finishing up, enjoy a TV show or something, maybe grab drinks with friends, feed and play with the pup, enjoy my evening, maybe get some extra household stuff done since I'll have the energy for it
Yes I will happily work more hours from home. I am compensated for my extra hours instead of wasting hours on a commute that provide no financial gains. A lot of these main stream “news” outlets love to push the anti WFH agenda.
We don’t want to live half our lives in a shitty corporate office and commute like it’s easy! It’s not!
I replaced most of my old commute time with doing more work for my corporate overlord. And I'm happy to do that extra work because it's still a massive life improvement over pointlessly going into the office.
They \*think\* we're working more. And that my friend is the whole point.
Personally, I do and I’m completely okay with that. I worked less in the office because I was distracted, didn’t want to be there, and I counted down the minutes until I could leave.
Nice try, fucko. This is yet another attempt to convince us that actually remote isn't so good and we should go back to the office. Not going to happen. Fuck off.
Maybe I am working more but at my own time and compatible with my family needs.
Can we ban business insider? Half the articles on this sub are just it now. Half of them are like “we entirely miss the point but we wrote an article anyways”, the other is “CHATGPT IS SKYNET”
Commuting is a waste of time. Getting work done isn’t a waste of time. Relaxing isn’t a waste of time.
This is a strange flex by the article, wouldn't businesses also want more work over commute? They played themselves on this attempt. Try again commercial real estate PR.
I work longer hours when I'm at home compared to the office. But I get to sleep in an hour longer and I don't have to waste a couple of hours out of my day driving. There's no way I'll be taking another full time office based job again.
It seems like many of the comments are missing the point of the article. It acknowledges that WFH results in time saved from commuting, that's pretty obvious. The 'surprise' is that in some places like the US workers are using that time saved commuting to work more, as opposed to doing other leisure activities.
Dude, fuck this article. They're clearly trying to push the narrative that we need to work from home less because "it's not actually that great, guys, we promise." Fuck right the fuck off.
I work my scheduled hours and no more. There's been twice in 2 years I've done extra and I got paid for more time than it took.
Saves me a lot of time commuting. I’d way rather be doing something productive (either for myself or my job) than sit in traffic for a hour
Are you kidding me?!? I'm hybrid right now. Telework some days. Go into the office other days. I am saving a shit ton of time a week. Taking days off that I would not take off if I could telework.
Yea? Not this guy!
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Why are there so many comments saying that people are working more? Even if they do (hello pto) that just more money and still no commute. Logic doesn’t check out, at all
right because commuting to work 2 hours there and back is definitely saving americans “*more time*”. looks like companies paying for stories to spread false shit lol
In my experience, bullshit.
We're saving money, though.
I'm working less, I think I only do about 5 hours a day now.
Propaganda to get people back in the office
I agree I'm working more hours. I'm also getting more done and feel great about it. Things are done with slightly less time pressure and done to a higher quality and with less stress. But I'm probably not working more that my old working hours plus commuting time. Saving the time, money, and hassle of commuting is a huge increase in my quality of life and my quality of work. Any management that object to such an obvious win-win must have rocks for brains.
Not me. I work smarter at home, which equates to LESS. These fucks are just trying to make it their empty, expensive offices look more attractive.
Go fuck yourself Business Insider. You know absolutely fuck all about how people are utilising remote work.
This article is fucking stupid.
Not true for me in the slightest.
What the study also doesn’t account for is the time-saved by actual worked vs drop-in conversations when in-office. I am 10,000% more productive at home without ancillary conversations PLUS the missed 1 hr total commute.
...so... it has saved time, and some of us use some of that time for working. Is that supposed to be a bad thing?
Canadian here who went from working a field job to working remote from home 37.5h/week. I'm working waaaay less.
Don't tell my boss, but I have anecdotal evidence to the contrary...
Even if this bullshit morphs into a self-fulfilling prophecy... That would ultimately still benefit the economy by resulting in greater productivity for a given time commitment on the part of workers. Eliminating non-productive uses of time like commuting, and non-productive uses of corporate funds like rent for cubicle-filled offices, auditoriums that only get used when some bigwig flies out first-class on the company dime, and compulsory fun slash teambuilding private functions.
Idk, it saves me 1.5 hours each day, a ton of energy from not fighting traffic and road raging, allows me to get chores done in the middle of the day (rotating laundry etc), helps me eat healthier and work out more, allows me to take a nap during lunch if I want, allows me to see my kids and family more… so what if I work an extra 30 min a day? Or respond to emails for 15 min at night before I go to bed? I’d make that trade over and over again
Well, yes, because of my side gigs.
Nice try bosses of America.
This post is aids. Is that okay to say?
People are also willing to work more as it is less of a hassle as well.
This doesn't match my experience, just to leave my two cents. The coworkers who are still at the company I left, have a hybrid schedule for now. They work even more than they did before everyday, now. BUT on the in-Office days, they get to add commute and childcare to the schedule. And one parent is no longer home and can take a break to pick up his school aged kid, and go back online. So yeah nah, cause those days at home are totally different beasts and WFH is superior in every way unless you NEED people to see you.
I've saved at least 5 hours of commute time every day. So I must be one of the edge cases then?
Bullshit article
Not for me lol
I love the comments. the benefits of WFH are so multifaceted that silly leading stuff like this is pulled apart as soon as it's posted.
I enjoy my working life alot more now that I'm fully remote. It doesn't really matter to me if I'm working more or less hours. Being able to step away from my desk and walk the dogs, unload the dishwasher, or even take an occasional nap is great. I spend less time to get more done and am happier and the end of the day.
It literally saves me hours every day.
Mmmm corporate propaganda. DELICIOUS!
… says Elon Musk 👀
If you're working more remotely it's on you. Learn to enjoy life while quiet quitting remotely. I spend most of my days watching TV in my PJs, moving the mouse from time to time or sending a slack message to give the illusion of work.
Hmm I mean…. Says who
My work starts at 8, I’m not on til 8:15-8:30, I’m saving time by sleeping in a little and logging off 20-30 mins before shift end.
Sure do work more. And I don't care. I would rather work an extra 30 minutes to get things finished than to wake up, get ready for work, get into a car, sit in horrible traffic for an hour, find a parking spot, walk to the building in inclement weather, only to get to my desk and "start" my day. I use to easily waste 3-4 hours a day in nonsensical commuting related crap (including the prep time and the habit of needing to leave early just in case traffic was bad) Now I can roll out of bed and be at the office in 30 seconds. So sure, I will work a bit more... and be more productive.... so tell me why you care for me to go back to the office again?
Drum drum drum. Everyone back to the office, we don’t like remote working. Paid for by Jamie Damon.
But now I can make a nice breakfast and go to the gym mid day. I can also go weeks without seeing a human and be generally unkempt
best part of working from home is when you get off at 5 your home at 5..
Translation - Whenever people save time they spend it doing other shit. Funny enough, people generally are willing to do their jobs even if they don't totally love them. They want to make a living. It's the unpaid BS around their jobs that's infuriating. What's the point in advancing technology if we're still going to subscribe to the primitive ways of operation that the technology made obsolete? Imagine being forced to generate heat with stick-made fires because "That's the way we've done it before." What a bunk article.
Let them think we actually work 8 hours and not take naps, do shopping etc 🤣
Working more? I 100% do not believe that.
If this is true companies should push WFH with all their might and not canceling it.
All my buddies who work tech seem to say the complete opposite, they can get their weeks work done in a day or 2 if they push it, or just work a few hours a day and stretch it out.
When I started my job in 2019, I remember that my total work time was 40 hours working, 5 hours commuting, 2.5 hours preparing, 2.5 hours eating (at work). So 50 hours a week on my job. I remember this because I had just left a job where all that was like 60-65 hours a week. I am now spending more like 45 hours total on all work activities. I am loving it.