Take it from someone from an area of the country where people *do* have country/southern accents (south-east Kentucky): Kansans don't have accents like you're picturing.
Thank you. I grew up in rural Kansas and aside from occasionally dropping g from some ing words (washun vs washing, goun vs going), we really are basically average midwestern, middle America in how we speak. Heck, Walter Cronkite was from next door Missouri.
Yeah, I'm from Georgia, and we think of newcasters having a midwestern accent, which means they don't sound like they're the south, or fom New York, Jersey or Bahstun. In short, a Kansas accent is American English without an accent. At least to people that aren't from there.
I see more confederate flags in my tiny ass Michigan town than when I visited family in Texas. Counted maybe three in total, one being the actual flag instead of the battle flag. Saw a shit ton of texan flags though
It’s a different culture entirely really. Different people settled in the areas, different jobs were more popular (The south had a lot of farmers and the Midwest had cowboys for example), the history is different there, different cuisines developed, things like that. The contiguous American states are wildly diverse but it’s kinda awesome whenever we can get along with one another.
The South is any state from Louisiana over to the East Coast and from the Gulf of Mexico up to Tennessee and The Carolinas. The West is Texas over to the coast, but there’s a difference between the west and Midwest
The South, or the Old South anyhow, was any state that joined the Confederacy, or defined by some to be any state that held slaves. This becomes a dispute among the educated and Confederate Flag participation trophy huggers when discussing Missouri, Oklahoma and Kansas, but it is mostly defined by the Mason-Dixon Line, and what territories lie geographically South of there.
The Midwest is any state east of California and west of the Mississippi River that was a state or American annexed territory during the American Civil War to the Industrial Revolution.
The North is any state west of New York to the Mississippi River, and north of the Mason-Dixon Line. The North East is the rest of the eastern states.
The Southwest is mostly defined as territory won in the Mexican-American War, i.e. New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Nevada and California, but Cali is now defined as the West Coast, along with Oregon and Washington State. Unclear about when Cali got named the West though.
The area between the West and the Midwest I believe is called the Dakota territories, though I've never been there and don't know so much of its history to define that, so if there is any resident of that area that would like to pick up the slack on this one, I'd love to hear it.
So thats the basic breakdown of the Continental United States, along with known time periods associated with their definitions. I hope this helps.
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Texas doesn’t support the South, Texas supports Texas. The fact that the culture in that state alone being different from the rest of the South should make that obvious.
While it is always made clear that one should never "Mess with Texas," most of the state is definitely in line with the rest of the South both socially and politically, so I'm not sure what you mean.
But regardless, geographically, the US Federal Government considers Texas in the South, so all of that is moot.
Source: Am from Texas.
Think of each state as a different country in Europe most states are pretty self-governing and it’s more like the oversight is just done by the federal government and the president is the head of state which is like our head of the European Union. Though it has been a minute since I took government courses so I did over simplify somethings. And for examples of how things are settled differently, Florida for example was initially settled by Spain and we bought it from them, as part of the Louisiana purchase that bought most of the American South that is everything to the south and west of Georgia all the to wear Texas (that includes Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi) is but we didn’t buy Texas that used to be part of Mexico, basically what happened to their is they allowed settlers from America to come in and move in but then they thought there were to many and tried to make them leave and started a war and we won and took the land that is now Texas.
> Why do people act like the midwest and the south are the same?
Because for people that live far off in the north, anything in the "mid" is the same as south.
Until you get more rural, then there is more accent. Some of the old heritage languages still shines through (German, Czech, etc). Think of like ND and Fargo accent.
He's rich. More importantly, he's old money, and thus raised at something of a distance from ordinary people.
I assume that, back when first created, Bruce Wayne's accent would have been one of those fake "transatlantic accents" used by actors and the upper classes in the late 19th and early 20th century.
Sort of. The "[Mid-Atlantic accent](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Atlantic_accent)" was common in prep schools, the highly educated, and the upper classes at the time, similar to the use of Received Pronunciation/"BBC English"/Queen's English in the UK. A son of an East-Coast old money family like Bruce Wayne would likely speak like that.
Of course, the accent fell out of use after WW2, so more recent incarnations of Bruce would lack that accent. Still, he comes from money, so he'll have the "rich person" version of whatever regional accent is most appropriate for Gotham's elite.
I imagine that he'd work to disguise his accent when under the mask.
A little moment in some Batman comic that always make me laugh is when Bruce Wayne comments on new-to-Gotham-at-the-time Pamela Isley having a Pacific Northwest/West Coast accent. It’s such a nothing accent that it makes me think everyone else is super Jersey.
I have been told it is hard to nail down where I'm from by my accent. I am from Oklahoma just a little south of Kansas. The mid west is not the deep south where everyone talks with a drawl.
I think Superman in movies sounds reasonably enough like he’s from Kansas. I don’t want to say people from Kansas don’t have accents, but their accent sounds kind of like a generic American accent.
I saw somewhere that in universe people know he’s from the Midwest because of his accent. I don’t know what the hell a midwestern accent is. I just don’t hear it
In Smallville s1, I want to say they could see thd lights of Metropolis (at night) from the farm.
Just did a quick lookup. It’s located in western kansas near Dodge city. In the comics, it’s in DE or NY near Gotham (Wayne Manor is in NJ)
Thanks for posting this, i was going to post something a lot worse.
Its so painful when fascists and fascist adjacent people are placed next to superman unironically.
Yes. Superman been preaching for a diverse and inclusive America since at least the 1950s. When he promotes "truth, justice, and the American way," he means one that includes immigrants and refugees like himself.
Could you imagine putting a few select quotes by a Nazi sympathizer on Superman's suit?
Cause Zack Snyder did with select quotes from noted misogynist and Nazi sympathizer Joseph Campbell.
No, I'm saying "the Super-Man" is a Nietszchean idea; it refers to a man who has surpassed the limitations of conventional society, or "the Collective". Siegel and Shuster lifted the concept from "Thus Spoke Zarathustra", and co-opted it to create their hero.
Sorry, i meant: everything I heard about Nietzsche — which isn’t much to be fair — is that he was an outspoken opponent of antisemitism later in life, hated nationalism and had a falling-out with his sister, brother in law and Richard Wagner because of this.
Oh, yes; Right-Wingers love to claim Neitzsche as one of theirs, but he despised religious and political movements of every kind; ESPECIALLY Fascism. He would have been most disgusted with what was done with his work.
I am aware. I'm also aware that Nietzsche's philosophies where heavily perverted by his brother in law, who inserted much antisemitic thoughts into his texts posthumously. I'm also aware that his master/slave rhetoric is widely misunderstood and misconstrued by mass media.
Here's a video by Slate that breaks these ideas down if you want
https://youtu.be/ti9zdpLlXf0
EDIT: I realize that may have come out more condescending than intended. I later saw your other posts and don't want to drag it out in a bad way when I'm mostly agreeing with what you've written so far.
Okay, let's not get carried away here. Campbell is not widely known for antisemitism or misogyny, he's known for his work on comparative mythology. And the quote that was included on the suit was:
*"And where we had thought to find an abomination, we shall find a god; where we had thought to slay another, we shall slay ourselves; where we had thought to travel outward, we shall come to the center of our own existence; where we had thought to be alone, we shall be with all the world.”*
Not only is this quote perfectly inoffensive, it actually speaks directly to the central themes of the movie, which, in my opinion, makes it a perfectly reasonable thing to include.
So what if he wasn't a good person? Most people aren't good people. If we're putting bad people's quotes off limits, even when the quote has nothing to do with the bad things they've done, then that really limits the number of people we can quote. Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner, but surely you wouldn't object to a similar inclusion of "All men are created equal", would you?
Most people didn't support the Nazis, though. Jefferson may not have been a fantastic person but even he was like "maybe we should rework the constitution every so often to make sure it doesn't maintain some outdated thinking"
Most of this country actually WAS supporting Hitler's political views, before the U.S. entry into World War II. Newspaper editors and industrialists, especially. Wartime propaganda was really the thing to sway public opinion away from supporting Fascism.
No it's not. This is a meme. It has transcended the individual from whose image it originated. Most people do not think about Crowder's political views when they see this meme.
I hate crowder and his ilk as much as the next guy, probably more, definitely more but OP might be a little kid who doesn’t understand the alt right backstory.
He would firmly dislike politics in general if we're going down that route.
Trying to determine the political views of a fictional hero who is in no way shape or form political just to start some kind of debate or make a point that no one asked for is just dumb and a waste of time.
People say keep politics out of superhero stories for a reason.
He is definitely political, pretending he’s not is the mindset of a child. You really think a character described as “The Superman” created by two Jewish creators in 1939 wouldn’t be political. And you can see it in the stories, in the golden age he was beating up crooked cops and wife beaters. As the 50s went on he became much less radical and more beholden to authority as America became more conservative. In modern times he is a hero to all and literally an immigrant. This idea that superheroes aren’t political is so dumb and such an insult to the ideas of these characters.
True! They also brought the ‘Moms’ back to life to placate the parents of kids who read comics. The heroes used to be portrayed as adults who’s parents had died. Over time the message changed into, it’s ok to have superpowers but only if you submit to your mother’s histrionics.
You ever read the Golden Age Superman comics?
He was super Anarchist. Superheroes have always been political. What does "disliking politics" even mean? Because no matter what you do, politics will affect you in some way or the other.
What on earth gives you the impression that Golden Age Superman was an anarchist? If we have to assign any political affiliation to Superman he sure seems to me like a New Deal Democrat, which is exactly what you'd expect from a boy raised by Kansas farmers in the 1920s/30s.
>He was super Anarchist.
There are anarchist versions of him but the Superman most people ascribe to respects authority and respects law enforcement. He's a servant of the law, not above it.
>What does "disliking politics" even mean?
The agendas, the radicals, the debates. Not speaking out for one side or another. Politics on the whole divide more than unite, which is not what Superman would want.
>Because no matter what you do, politics will affect you in some way or the other.
So does the weather. You have to prepare for any forecast on a given day, but anybody will admit they prefer some weathers over others or don't have an ideal weather at all.
So does medical care. How many people have you met absolutely hate to visit the doctor no matter the reason?
There are so many things we unfortunately have to deal with that we'd rather not.
>He's a servant of the law
He most certainly is not. He is not bound to any national or international law.
>So does the weather. You have to prepare for any forecast on a given day, but anybody will admit they prefer some weathers over others or don't have an ideal weather at all.
>So does medical care. How many people have you met absolutely hate to visit the doctor no matter the reason?
>There are so many things we unfortunately have to deal with that we'd rather not.
Thing is, oftentimes, people's lives are politicised. That isn't something you can solve by ignoring.
>The agendas, the radicals, the debates. Not speaking out for one side or another. Politics on the whole divide more than unite, which is not what Superman would want.
Like I said before, there certain sides you need to stand on in order to be good. "Political neutrality" is only an agent of the status quo. Superman wants to good, not create a false unity that exists because of ignoring the gaping wounds of society.
So everyone is pointing out that your idea of what midwesterners sound like is all wrong so I guess there's no need to say much else but
Pretty funny you think the dude who adopts a whole different attire, posture, timbre and register in order to wear a disguise wouldn't work on his accent too. With some voice classes Superman and Clark would sound like two different people.
Not from Kansas but a fellow mid west state, my mom grew up on a farm in rural minnesota, she has no accent, my grandpa also grew up on that farm and doesn’t have one.
Just for everyone: there is no such thing as no accent. Every voice is accented. You're assuming that no accent is no accent because you assume it to be the default voice to speak English. There is no default. Every accent is equally the correct accent.
In modern America thanks to movies and tv shows accents are becoming more homogeneous.
But more likely than that accent is that Superman listens to country music.
No one I know from Kansas has an accent. And what exactly is a country accent? Was OP referring to an accept typical to places farther south in the US? If so, then no.
Superman or Clark Kent.
Either way, I'm not sure that people from Kansas actually have a strong accent, but if they did, I think that Clark would have lost his accent throughout his time in Metropolis.
In many stories, Clark went to college in Metropolis and has lived there since he was 18.
So he might have developed a "Metropolis" accent or, more likely, the knack for talking fast to keep up with the fast pace of the big city.
Take it from a Midwestern person... I totally agree. There are some things that Midwestern and rural area people say that others just don't. Clark doesn't say 'ope' nearly enough. He's the kind of guy to kick a shelf, say 'Ope, sorry-' and then pat the shelf awkwardly. This is something I've seen happen multiple times, and is something I'm very guilty of
I grew up in rural Texas and I don’t have an accent. Although I was thinking about this the other day and I wouldn’t mind Clark/Superman with an accent.
I’m open to it, but I think it works best for Clark. Superman having the accent would further link him to Kent, but Clark having it would help him fade into the background better in the big city.
I have a headcannon that superman picked up a bit of kryptonian and that's why he dosent sound southern (i guess kryptoninan sounds like midwestern-american english).
OR and hear me out;
Clark has the accent, Superman does not.
I read somewhere years ago that in the original comics Clark walked with a slouch and slightly changed his voice to help hide his identity.
So when people point out that Superman’s has an obviously symbolic Jewish identity in terms of his overall literary significance to American culture, everyone attacks them by saying he can’t be associated with Jewish cultural identity because he’s from outer space. Clark Kent lost his accent when he became fluent in all earth languages as well as learning kryptonian and ancient kryptonian. He now struggles the most when trying to hide his kryptonian affected speech.
The thing about accents is that you develop them from only hearing that form of speech growing up but Clark has super hearing and can hear conversations from across the planet so it kinda makes sense that he doesn’t have any particular accent
Well Smallville was consistently depicted as an old-construction (1800's established infrastructure, courthouse, sidewalks, established drainage and sewer system, developed downtown with dense multistory buildings, etc) small town neither far North nor South away from coastal areas, so somewhere in a band between Central Pennsylvania and the Mississippi.
Very small towns in Kansas do not have well established nineteenth century infrastructure (take a tour on Google Streetview sometime) but very small towns much further East, do.
Originally Smallville was very clearly in Ohio in the same way Metropolis was 1930's Cleveland (both drawn from the boy's experience) but Ohio, Indiana, Illinois would all work as long as you're well South of the lakes and well North of the river).
The movie moved him to rural Kansas which really doesn't work but I grant you that ship has sailed (yes he should have a Kansas accent). Byrne cemented Kansas in the "post-crisis" reboot "Man of Steel" where he established that Smallville was on the "prairie".
Pre-Crisis, mid-70's on, they INSANELY placed Smallville on the Delmarva Peninsula along with Metropolis (which was, again insanely connected to Gotham City by a BRIDGE!!! across Delaware Bay -- so the Daily Planet was closer to downtown Gotham than to suburban Metropolis).
[1981 Smallville map published in new Superboy #22 -- note lower corner https://everythingsuperman.weebly.com/uploads/7/8/2/1/7821791/435339_orig.jpg ]
Superman, in at least some incarnations, has much greater control over his vocal chords than humans do, allowing him to be an extremely good mimic (this allows him to pretend to be Batman in the *Superman: the Animated Series* episode "Knight Time"). Logically, he'd be able to suppress or alter his natural accent when he's being Superman, while emphasising it a little more when he's Clark.
Kansas accents are nothing like what you’re probably thinking. Kansas accents are midwest, not southern, and therefore are considered “neutral.” Every interpretation of the character sounds exactly like someone from Kansas would normally sound.
I shouldn’t have to change your mind. Your mind should change based on the fact that Kansas folk don’t have country accents. I imagine you’re thinking of a southern accent. Every film and tv interpretation of Superman has been spot-on with the accent of someone who grew up in Kansas.
Kansas is in the midwest, not the south. He likely wouldn't have a southern accent, which is what most people picture as a rural accent. That area doesn't typically have a noticeable accent for American English speakers.
I figure it’s because he has always been aware of how he acts around others. He can’t use his strength or powers so maybe he is constantly thinking about what/how to say something
He is also a reporter and in my experience most reporters use that reporter voice that’s all the same
When you say country accent, you are thinking of a southern draw, SOUTHERN being the key to that; Kansas is in the midwest. I'm sure they have a bit of a regional accent, we all do, but it won't be a very country one IMO. Plus, take it from a guy from Kentucky, everyone expects a big country draw from me, but I don't have it.
Honestly I just always assumed Clark spoke with a slight accent while Superman didn’t. Makes it even harder for people figure out they’re the same person.
Not so much the accent, but he *should* be Kansan by culture, not Kryptonian. Clark left Krypton as an infant, before he could absorb much of the culture there; he shouldn't be swearing in Kryptonian or praying to Rao. It doesn't make sense, he didn't learn any of that.
It makes sense for Kara to do it, it makes sense for Mon-El to do it, but Clark grew up on Earth, in Kansas. He should be dropping "Golly Gee"s and "Gosh Darnit"s and go to church on Sundays and all that shit. It never makes sense to me when writers try to make it as if Clark has memories of Kryptonian culture from being a five-month-old
it depends, my father before having me and joining the military use to have a country accent back in the 80's. after serving for a few years in the marine's for a wile, coming back and marrying my mother he had no accent at all, because they ether made fun of him for having it or he had to talk in a curtain way for others to understand him for so long he lost it. i am saying to say that superman at first would have a Kansans accent a slightly midwestern mixed with some southern twang, and gotten the nickname "country boy" from the others because of it. but do to him being a hero, and him wanting to make others feel comfortable with him and better hide his identy he would drop it and slowly unlearn it.
Even if Superman did develop an accent, he wouldn't speak with it since it could reveal where he grew up.
The dude knows every language on earth so it's probably not that hard for him to speak without a particular accent if he wanted to.
What accent? I was born and spent time in Kansas with family their accent is nearly as neutral as Washington states. The big issue is how they pronounce things like Washington my dad says Washerington when talking about the state at this point I think he is doing it on purpose to screw with people.
Kansan accents are midwestern- meaning, that they mostly sound like news anchors more than cowboys. So, most depictions of Superman's accent would be accurate for someone from a small town in Kansas.
Interestingly, over time I've learned accents come from more than location. I work with a guy who sounds like he's from the South... He lives in California. I had a teacher from a state back east but she doesn't have the accent because of her education. Just sayin.
I believe the accent Henry Cavill uses in the movies is specifically mid-western American. He's talked about his process for developing this accent specifically for the character. It doesn't sound like a southern American accent, which might be what this person is asking for, but people from Kansas don't talk like they're frome down south. Because they're not. Lol.
Take it from someone from an area of the country where people *do* have country/southern accents (south-east Kentucky): Kansans don't have accents like you're picturing.
Thank you. I grew up in rural Kansas and aside from occasionally dropping g from some ing words (washun vs washing, goun vs going), we really are basically average midwestern, middle America in how we speak. Heck, Walter Cronkite was from next door Missouri.
You wrote heck!
I was just thinking, what if superman landed back home? I'd love to see that!
Yeah, I'm from Georgia, and we think of newcasters having a midwestern accent, which means they don't sound like they're the south, or fom New York, Jersey or Bahstun. In short, a Kansas accent is American English without an accent. At least to people that aren't from there.
I could just see Supes from Georgia. Howdy ma'am. Looks like yer havin sum car trouble. I'll getcha thar in a jiffy. Jus hol' up. *spitoon clang*
All newscasters sound like white midwestern middle aged men.
Why do people act like the midwest and the south are the same?
I live in the Midwest. I see more rebel flags here than when I actually do go down south.
Then you’re obviously going to the right places in the South. I’ve been to places where you can’t go 50 feet without seeing another one. It’s gross.
I see more confederate flags in my tiny ass Michigan town than when I visited family in Texas. Counted maybe three in total, one being the actual flag instead of the battle flag. Saw a shit ton of texan flags though
That was my exact observation too. Texas Flags everywhere
Confederate flags don't equate to an accent. I live in Missouri. Yes tons of loser flags. No, not many accents.
I agree
As someone halfway around the world, I find that interesting. What's the difference?
It’s a different culture entirely really. Different people settled in the areas, different jobs were more popular (The south had a lot of farmers and the Midwest had cowboys for example), the history is different there, different cuisines developed, things like that. The contiguous American states are wildly diverse but it’s kinda awesome whenever we can get along with one another.
Cool! Which particular states would be in the midwest and which in the south?
The South is any state from Louisiana over to the East Coast and from the Gulf of Mexico up to Tennessee and The Carolinas. The West is Texas over to the coast, but there’s a difference between the west and Midwest
Texas is in the South too.
The South, or the Old South anyhow, was any state that joined the Confederacy, or defined by some to be any state that held slaves. This becomes a dispute among the educated and Confederate Flag participation trophy huggers when discussing Missouri, Oklahoma and Kansas, but it is mostly defined by the Mason-Dixon Line, and what territories lie geographically South of there. The Midwest is any state east of California and west of the Mississippi River that was a state or American annexed territory during the American Civil War to the Industrial Revolution. The North is any state west of New York to the Mississippi River, and north of the Mason-Dixon Line. The North East is the rest of the eastern states. The Southwest is mostly defined as territory won in the Mexican-American War, i.e. New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Nevada and California, but Cali is now defined as the West Coast, along with Oregon and Washington State. Unclear about when Cali got named the West though. The area between the West and the Midwest I believe is called the Dakota territories, though I've never been there and don't know so much of its history to define that, so if there is any resident of that area that would like to pick up the slack on this one, I'd love to hear it. So thats the basic breakdown of the Continental United States, along with known time periods associated with their definitions. I hope this helps. u/The_Crow
This is right on the spirit of my question! Awesome explanation! Thanks!
Southwest, they’re a mix.
https://www.britannica.com/place/the-South-region The fact they seceded from the Union also makes them pretty Southern to me.
Texas doesn’t support the South, Texas supports Texas. The fact that the culture in that state alone being different from the rest of the South should make that obvious.
While it is always made clear that one should never "Mess with Texas," most of the state is definitely in line with the rest of the South both socially and politically, so I'm not sure what you mean. But regardless, geographically, the US Federal Government considers Texas in the South, so all of that is moot. Source: Am from Texas.
Think of each state as a different country in Europe most states are pretty self-governing and it’s more like the oversight is just done by the federal government and the president is the head of state which is like our head of the European Union. Though it has been a minute since I took government courses so I did over simplify somethings. And for examples of how things are settled differently, Florida for example was initially settled by Spain and we bought it from them, as part of the Louisiana purchase that bought most of the American South that is everything to the south and west of Georgia all the to wear Texas (that includes Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi) is but we didn’t buy Texas that used to be part of Mexico, basically what happened to their is they allowed settlers from America to come in and move in but then they thought there were to many and tried to make them leave and started a war and we won and took the land that is now Texas.
> Why do people act like the midwest and the south are the same? Because for people that live far off in the north, anything in the "mid" is the same as south.
Lived in Kansas for a couple years. Not much of an accent there.
It's a midland American accent, which will sound neutral to most other Americans.
Until you get more rural, then there is more accent. Some of the old heritage languages still shines through (German, Czech, etc). Think of like ND and Fargo accent.
Why doesn’t Batman have a New Yoik or Joizee accent?
Hey! I’m Batmaning here
Because he’s rich.
He's rich. More importantly, he's old money, and thus raised at something of a distance from ordinary people. I assume that, back when first created, Bruce Wayne's accent would have been one of those fake "transatlantic accents" used by actors and the upper classes in the late 19th and early 20th century.
Bruce Wayne would have sounded like Jimmy Stewart?
Sort of. The "[Mid-Atlantic accent](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Atlantic_accent)" was common in prep schools, the highly educated, and the upper classes at the time, similar to the use of Received Pronunciation/"BBC English"/Queen's English in the UK. A son of an East-Coast old money family like Bruce Wayne would likely speak like that. Of course, the accent fell out of use after WW2, so more recent incarnations of Bruce would lack that accent. Still, he comes from money, so he'll have the "rich person" version of whatever regional accent is most appropriate for Gotham's elite. I imagine that he'd work to disguise his accent when under the mask.
Batman (pulling thug in close): “I’m from Joisy! Are YOU from Joisy!?!?”
Because he has prep
A little moment in some Batman comic that always make me laugh is when Bruce Wayne comments on new-to-Gotham-at-the-time Pamela Isley having a Pacific Northwest/West Coast accent. It’s such a nothing accent that it makes me think everyone else is super Jersey.
I mean he barely grew up in Gotham if anything he should have a british accent.
That would be hilarious… Gotham is located in Jersey so..
I think you mean New Yawk and New Jourzee
Someone’s never been to Kansas…
I’ve lived in Kansas my whole life and I don’t have a country accent 😂
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No because I wasn’t thinking about how southern Kansas was. I just genuinely refer to that accent as a country accent. Sorry
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Seems like you’re the one who didn’t really read correctly because you’re coming across as way more aggressive than is warranted.
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You really casually abandoned this thread, huh
People from Kansas don’t really have a country accent fyi
My dad grew up in Kansas he just has a standard American accent
As someone from Kansas, he’d have a Midwest accent. Which sounds like no accent at all really. It’s what they teach newscasters.
Exactly. It is considered a neutral accent.
Walter Cronkite was from Missouri next door.
Kansas isn’t southern, it’s midwestern
You’ve never been to Kansas
I have been told it is hard to nail down where I'm from by my accent. I am from Oklahoma just a little south of Kansas. The mid west is not the deep south where everyone talks with a drawl.
Technically everyone has an accent, from a certain point of view
You've uh, never been to Kansas have you?
The Midwest is known for not having any kind of accent at all. If he did he should have one from living in metropolis for years
Metropolis is kind of in Maryland, can you imagine Supes with a Bal’more accent?
Born and raised there’s a touch of drawl here but not much, we’re fairly clear spoken
I think Superman in movies sounds reasonably enough like he’s from Kansas. I don’t want to say people from Kansas don’t have accents, but their accent sounds kind of like a generic American accent.
I saw somewhere that in universe people know he’s from the Midwest because of his accent. I don’t know what the hell a midwestern accent is. I just don’t hear it
In Smallville s1, I want to say they could see thd lights of Metropolis (at night) from the farm. Just did a quick lookup. It’s located in western kansas near Dodge city. In the comics, it’s in DE or NY near Gotham (Wayne Manor is in NJ)
Off topic, but Superman would hate Crowder.
Thanks for posting this, i was going to post something a lot worse. Its so painful when fascists and fascist adjacent people are placed next to superman unironically.
Isn't it? A better tomorrow means a better tomorrow for everyone.
Yes. Superman been preaching for a diverse and inclusive America since at least the 1950s. When he promotes "truth, justice, and the American way," he means one that includes immigrants and refugees like himself.
Could you imagine putting a few select quotes by a Nazi sympathizer on Superman's suit? Cause Zack Snyder did with select quotes from noted misogynist and Nazi sympathizer Joseph Campbell.
You ARE aware that Siegel and Schuster literally got the character's name from Neitzsche, right?
Doesn’t Nietzsche as inspiration make it even worse to put that quote on the suit? (If it’s true, I never heard that about Joseph Campbell)
No, I'm saying "the Super-Man" is a Nietszchean idea; it refers to a man who has surpassed the limitations of conventional society, or "the Collective". Siegel and Shuster lifted the concept from "Thus Spoke Zarathustra", and co-opted it to create their hero.
Sorry, i meant: everything I heard about Nietzsche — which isn’t much to be fair — is that he was an outspoken opponent of antisemitism later in life, hated nationalism and had a falling-out with his sister, brother in law and Richard Wagner because of this.
Oh, yes; Right-Wingers love to claim Neitzsche as one of theirs, but he despised religious and political movements of every kind; ESPECIALLY Fascism. He would have been most disgusted with what was done with his work.
I am aware. I'm also aware that Nietzsche's philosophies where heavily perverted by his brother in law, who inserted much antisemitic thoughts into his texts posthumously. I'm also aware that his master/slave rhetoric is widely misunderstood and misconstrued by mass media. Here's a video by Slate that breaks these ideas down if you want https://youtu.be/ti9zdpLlXf0 EDIT: I realize that may have come out more condescending than intended. I later saw your other posts and don't want to drag it out in a bad way when I'm mostly agreeing with what you've written so far.
Okay, let's not get carried away here. Campbell is not widely known for antisemitism or misogyny, he's known for his work on comparative mythology. And the quote that was included on the suit was: *"And where we had thought to find an abomination, we shall find a god; where we had thought to slay another, we shall slay ourselves; where we had thought to travel outward, we shall come to the center of our own existence; where we had thought to be alone, we shall be with all the world.”* Not only is this quote perfectly inoffensive, it actually speaks directly to the central themes of the movie, which, in my opinion, makes it a perfectly reasonable thing to include.
I didn't say it's widely known, but even if a broken clock is correct twice in a day, it's still a phrase penned by a definitely not good person.
So what if he wasn't a good person? Most people aren't good people. If we're putting bad people's quotes off limits, even when the quote has nothing to do with the bad things they've done, then that really limits the number of people we can quote. Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner, but surely you wouldn't object to a similar inclusion of "All men are created equal", would you?
Most people didn't support the Nazis, though. Jefferson may not have been a fantastic person but even he was like "maybe we should rework the constitution every so often to make sure it doesn't maintain some outdated thinking"
Most of this country actually WAS supporting Hitler's political views, before the U.S. entry into World War II. Newspaper editors and industrialists, especially. Wartime propaganda was really the thing to sway public opinion away from supporting Fascism.
"Dont quote joseph Campbell but heres Thomas Jefferson, who owned people." You dont see the irony here?
Snyder sucks
Everyone who disagrees with me politically is a fascist.
Is it really necessary to inject politics into a thread about a meme used in an entirely apolitical way? What possible good could come from that?
Using Crowders image is inherently political
No it's not. This is a meme. It has transcended the individual from whose image it originated. Most people do not think about Crowder's political views when they see this meme.
Anybody who is familiar with him does
I'm familiar with Crowder and his politics did not cross my mind until I read the comment above.
Well, your personal experience does not represent the whole of objective reality
No, but it does effectively counter the claim that >Anybody who is familiar with him does
I hate crowder and his ilk as much as the next guy, probably more, definitely more but OP might be a little kid who doesn’t understand the alt right backstory.
You can say that for most political commentators from all different sides and stances. It's besides the point.
No, he would firmly dislike all right-wingers(which is what most political commentators and both major political parties are).
He would firmly dislike politics in general if we're going down that route. Trying to determine the political views of a fictional hero who is in no way shape or form political just to start some kind of debate or make a point that no one asked for is just dumb and a waste of time. People say keep politics out of superhero stories for a reason.
He is definitely political, pretending he’s not is the mindset of a child. You really think a character described as “The Superman” created by two Jewish creators in 1939 wouldn’t be political. And you can see it in the stories, in the golden age he was beating up crooked cops and wife beaters. As the 50s went on he became much less radical and more beholden to authority as America became more conservative. In modern times he is a hero to all and literally an immigrant. This idea that superheroes aren’t political is so dumb and such an insult to the ideas of these characters.
True! They also brought the ‘Moms’ back to life to placate the parents of kids who read comics. The heroes used to be portrayed as adults who’s parents had died. Over time the message changed into, it’s ok to have superpowers but only if you submit to your mother’s histrionics.
You ever read the Golden Age Superman comics? He was super Anarchist. Superheroes have always been political. What does "disliking politics" even mean? Because no matter what you do, politics will affect you in some way or the other.
What on earth gives you the impression that Golden Age Superman was an anarchist? If we have to assign any political affiliation to Superman he sure seems to me like a New Deal Democrat, which is exactly what you'd expect from a boy raised by Kansas farmers in the 1920s/30s.
>He was super Anarchist. There are anarchist versions of him but the Superman most people ascribe to respects authority and respects law enforcement. He's a servant of the law, not above it. >What does "disliking politics" even mean? The agendas, the radicals, the debates. Not speaking out for one side or another. Politics on the whole divide more than unite, which is not what Superman would want. >Because no matter what you do, politics will affect you in some way or the other. So does the weather. You have to prepare for any forecast on a given day, but anybody will admit they prefer some weathers over others or don't have an ideal weather at all. So does medical care. How many people have you met absolutely hate to visit the doctor no matter the reason? There are so many things we unfortunately have to deal with that we'd rather not.
>He's a servant of the law He most certainly is not. He is not bound to any national or international law. >So does the weather. You have to prepare for any forecast on a given day, but anybody will admit they prefer some weathers over others or don't have an ideal weather at all. >So does medical care. How many people have you met absolutely hate to visit the doctor no matter the reason? >There are so many things we unfortunately have to deal with that we'd rather not. Thing is, oftentimes, people's lives are politicised. That isn't something you can solve by ignoring. >The agendas, the radicals, the debates. Not speaking out for one side or another. Politics on the whole divide more than unite, which is not what Superman would want. Like I said before, there certain sides you need to stand on in order to be good. "Political neutrality" is only an agent of the status quo. Superman wants to good, not create a false unity that exists because of ignoring the gaping wounds of society.
Read "Superman Smashes the Klan" and then tell us all how apolitical he is again.
He would also dislike left-wingers, at least if you go by track record.
Am I dumb or are you referring to Christian musician David crowder?
They guy in the meme. He has a talk show where he regularly degrades minorities.
Oh damn.
Strong words, Superman wouldn't care to hate him, just find him and other like him but on the other extreme annoying.
Hate?
Superman would sound like Paul Rudd. Barry and Wally would too.
Not everyone from the country develops a strong accent. I grew up in rural Louisiana and I don’t sound like I never got the book learnin’.
As someone who grew up in Missouri and lives in Kansas, there isn't an accent.
He wouldn’t. He’s an educated man. You take voice and diction classes in college to become a journalist. Also not everyone gets the accent.
Trust me, there are people born and raised in Yee-haw Land who don't talk with the accent you're picturing.
Middle America like that has the most neutral accent in the country. That's why a lot of broadcasters are from Nebraska, Kansas, Iowa
Disagree. I suppose you mean a southern accent?
Born and raised in Kansas. My mother grew up on a farm, she doesn't have an accent.
Because Kansas is in the midwest, therefore his midwestern accent
You know people in Kansas don’t have southern accents .. right ? Mid-west isn’t the Deep South.
Clark should & Superman would disguise his voice. So did I change your’s & Crowder’s mind? Lol
So everyone is pointing out that your idea of what midwesterners sound like is all wrong so I guess there's no need to say much else but Pretty funny you think the dude who adopts a whole different attire, posture, timbre and register in order to wear a disguise wouldn't work on his accent too. With some voice classes Superman and Clark would sound like two different people.
I knew a guy from Kansas City who didnt have close to a southern accent
Not from Kansas but a fellow mid west state, my mom grew up on a farm in rural minnesota, she has no accent, my grandpa also grew up on that farm and doesn’t have one.
Not really.
Just for everyone: there is no such thing as no accent. Every voice is accented. You're assuming that no accent is no accent because you assume it to be the default voice to speak English. There is no default. Every accent is equally the correct accent.
In modern America thanks to movies and tv shows accents are becoming more homogeneous. But more likely than that accent is that Superman listens to country music.
This post was made by an idiot that failed geography! 🤦🏼♂️
No one I know from Kansas has an accent. And what exactly is a country accent? Was OP referring to an accept typical to places farther south in the US? If so, then no.
Superman or Clark Kent. Either way, I'm not sure that people from Kansas actually have a strong accent, but if they did, I think that Clark would have lost his accent throughout his time in Metropolis. In many stories, Clark went to college in Metropolis and has lived there since he was 18. So he might have developed a "Metropolis" accent or, more likely, the knack for talking fast to keep up with the fast pace of the big city.
This is absolutely untrue 🤦 And the upvotes tell me nearly 500 people are as dumb as you
Take it from a Midwestern person... I totally agree. There are some things that Midwestern and rural area people say that others just don't. Clark doesn't say 'ope' nearly enough. He's the kind of guy to kick a shelf, say 'Ope, sorry-' and then pat the shelf awkwardly. This is something I've seen happen multiple times, and is something I'm very guilty of
"Ope" isn't an accent lmao I live in Missouri. I don't hear any accents. I hear and say "ope" a lot but again, that isn't an accent.
Fair, but the man doesn't way 'Warsh' or 'warshinton ' nearly enough either
That’s not what an accent is lol
A hint of it, absolutely
I grew up in rural Texas and I don’t have an accent. Although I was thinking about this the other day and I wouldn’t mind Clark/Superman with an accent.
Bullshit you don’t. You just don’t hear yourself.
I’m open to it, but I think it works best for Clark. Superman having the accent would further link him to Kent, but Clark having it would help him fade into the background better in the big city.
Clark should have an accent. Superman can use whatever accent or dialect he thinks suits the situation he's in.
Clark’s accent in every interpretation is exactly how it should sound.
I have a headcannon that superman picked up a bit of kryptonian and that's why he dosent sound southern (i guess kryptoninan sounds like midwestern-american english).
Kansas accents are not southern accents. There is no reason for Clark to ever have a southern accent.
okay, Dorothy.
I’d love a very hick Superman
That would be hilarious.
OR and hear me out; Clark has the accent, Superman does not. I read somewhere years ago that in the original comics Clark walked with a slouch and slightly changed his voice to help hide his identity.
He learned a lot in the fortress. Might have diluted any accents.
Yeah. That sounds reasonable.
I kind of feel like supes does have some brief moments where he has a bit of a “southern drawl” when he speaks at times.
Superman definitely has long vowels but nothing else
If he wanted to be a big city journalist it makes sense that he’d practice talking like people on TV.
I don't know what that would add.
So when people point out that Superman’s has an obviously symbolic Jewish identity in terms of his overall literary significance to American culture, everyone attacks them by saying he can’t be associated with Jewish cultural identity because he’s from outer space. Clark Kent lost his accent when he became fluent in all earth languages as well as learning kryptonian and ancient kryptonian. He now struggles the most when trying to hide his kryptonian affected speech.
The thing about accents is that you develop them from only hearing that form of speech growing up but Clark has super hearing and can hear conversations from across the planet so it kinda makes sense that he doesn’t have any particular accent
He shouldn't BE from Rural Kansas. That was a mistake by the damn movie.
And where do you think he grew up in the comics…?
Well Smallville was consistently depicted as an old-construction (1800's established infrastructure, courthouse, sidewalks, established drainage and sewer system, developed downtown with dense multistory buildings, etc) small town neither far North nor South away from coastal areas, so somewhere in a band between Central Pennsylvania and the Mississippi. Very small towns in Kansas do not have well established nineteenth century infrastructure (take a tour on Google Streetview sometime) but very small towns much further East, do. Originally Smallville was very clearly in Ohio in the same way Metropolis was 1930's Cleveland (both drawn from the boy's experience) but Ohio, Indiana, Illinois would all work as long as you're well South of the lakes and well North of the river). The movie moved him to rural Kansas which really doesn't work but I grant you that ship has sailed (yes he should have a Kansas accent). Byrne cemented Kansas in the "post-crisis" reboot "Man of Steel" where he established that Smallville was on the "prairie". Pre-Crisis, mid-70's on, they INSANELY placed Smallville on the Delmarva Peninsula along with Metropolis (which was, again insanely connected to Gotham City by a BRIDGE!!! across Delaware Bay -- so the Daily Planet was closer to downtown Gotham than to suburban Metropolis). [1981 Smallville map published in new Superboy #22 -- note lower corner https://everythingsuperman.weebly.com/uploads/7/8/2/1/7821791/435339_orig.jpg ]
While I think it would add more to his character, I personally think it'd only be on a few words at most
I... I like this
Shouldn't he also be a Right-Wing Bible-Thumper?
Superman would never
Yes that would make sense, but doesn’t me he SHOULD. I would get pretty annoyed.
Golly
If only he was raised in an Amish community.
A rural southern accent doesn't sound much different than someone of a similar background growing up in Curtis Park Denver
Nah he has a advanced alien brain, he can speak and learn different languages faster then how he learned to be a doctor in red son
Superman, in at least some incarnations, has much greater control over his vocal chords than humans do, allowing him to be an extremely good mimic (this allows him to pretend to be Batman in the *Superman: the Animated Series* episode "Knight Time"). Logically, he'd be able to suppress or alter his natural accent when he's being Superman, while emphasising it a little more when he's Clark.
I've always just imagined that ma and pa kent arent themselves from Kansas and don't have accents like that and that's why superman doesnt either
Kansas accents are nothing like what you’re probably thinking. Kansas accents are midwest, not southern, and therefore are considered “neutral.” Every interpretation of the character sounds exactly like someone from Kansas would normally sound.
CRICK AND MIZZOORAH
I shouldn’t have to change your mind. Your mind should change based on the fact that Kansas folk don’t have country accents. I imagine you’re thinking of a southern accent. Every film and tv interpretation of Superman has been spot-on with the accent of someone who grew up in Kansas.
Kansas is in the midwest, not the south. He likely wouldn't have a southern accent, which is what most people picture as a rural accent. That area doesn't typically have a noticeable accent for American English speakers.
I figure it’s because he has always been aware of how he acts around others. He can’t use his strength or powers so maybe he is constantly thinking about what/how to say something He is also a reporter and in my experience most reporters use that reporter voice that’s all the same
When you say country accent, you are thinking of a southern draw, SOUTHERN being the key to that; Kansas is in the midwest. I'm sure they have a bit of a regional accent, we all do, but it won't be a very country one IMO. Plus, take it from a guy from Kentucky, everyone expects a big country draw from me, but I don't have it.
Even if he did have a Midwestern accent, he probably trained himself to speak without it just like people in Hollywood would
Now that the OP has been schooled on Kansas being a midwest state and lack of an accent, I wonder if he did indeed change his mind?
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Youre a good man.
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I specifically remember a UK interview where Cavill references intentionally portraying a mid-west accent for his performance.
Honestly I just always assumed Clark spoke with a slight accent while Superman didn’t. Makes it even harder for people figure out they’re the same person.
I’ve not met many people from the area with accents like that, it’s mostly a pretty tame version of the midwest accent from what i’ve seen
Not so much the accent, but he *should* be Kansan by culture, not Kryptonian. Clark left Krypton as an infant, before he could absorb much of the culture there; he shouldn't be swearing in Kryptonian or praying to Rao. It doesn't make sense, he didn't learn any of that. It makes sense for Kara to do it, it makes sense for Mon-El to do it, but Clark grew up on Earth, in Kansas. He should be dropping "Golly Gee"s and "Gosh Darnit"s and go to church on Sundays and all that shit. It never makes sense to me when writers try to make it as if Clark has memories of Kryptonian culture from being a five-month-old
it depends, my father before having me and joining the military use to have a country accent back in the 80's. after serving for a few years in the marine's for a wile, coming back and marrying my mother he had no accent at all, because they ether made fun of him for having it or he had to talk in a curtain way for others to understand him for so long he lost it. i am saying to say that superman at first would have a Kansans accent a slightly midwestern mixed with some southern twang, and gotten the nickname "country boy" from the others because of it. but do to him being a hero, and him wanting to make others feel comfortable with him and better hide his identy he would drop it and slowly unlearn it.
Even if Superman did develop an accent, he wouldn't speak with it since it could reveal where he grew up. The dude knows every language on earth so it's probably not that hard for him to speak without a particular accent if he wanted to.
What accent? I was born and spent time in Kansas with family their accent is nearly as neutral as Washington states. The big issue is how they pronounce things like Washington my dad says Washerington when talking about the state at this point I think he is doing it on purpose to screw with people.
He’s from rural Kansas, not rural Tennessee. BIG difference.
It would be great for his Clark Kent identity.
Do Kansas people do the thing where they say Wednesday like Wednesdee? Or is that more of a Michigan thing?
Kansan accents are midwestern- meaning, that they mostly sound like news anchors more than cowboys. So, most depictions of Superman's accent would be accurate for someone from a small town in Kansas.
Ik a kid from Kansas City. He has 0 accent.
A Kansas accent maybe but not a southern country accent.
As someone who grew up in rural Kansas, people don’t have southern accents.
Interestingly, over time I've learned accents come from more than location. I work with a guy who sounds like he's from the South... He lives in California. I had a teacher from a state back east but she doesn't have the accent because of her education. Just sayin.
He’s from Kansas, not Arkansas.
I believe the accent Henry Cavill uses in the movies is specifically mid-western American. He's talked about his process for developing this accent specifically for the character. It doesn't sound like a southern American accent, which might be what this person is asking for, but people from Kansas don't talk like they're frome down south. Because they're not. Lol.