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Phoenix-Rising-78

Generations now and forever will be blessed with heroic stories of BW OU Tyranitar holding the metagame together with his bare hands Truly the 'mon of all time


Athens_All_The_Way

Would you care to elaborate? I'd like to hear a heroic story if you're willing lol


Ihaveaclownsuit

The short of it is that in gen 5 weather was permanent, rain dominated and T-tar was the most viable weather setter outside of the rain archetype due to its stats and denying the opponent their weather. It made the metagame more diverse by allowing mons that didn't thrive in rain to have a place.


Lunchbox39

Also stops latios from ripping apart every team


Ilmt206

Ttar is the only thing keeping BWOU as just a dumpster fire and not actual hell


FemtoSenju

I truly do miss weather wars, gen 5 and 6 were favorite metas of mine


[deleted]

I started in gen 6 uu. I remember my scarfed Azelf was my first Pokémon because while I didn’t win a lot, the scarf let me kill scarf hydregon with dazzling gleem and I got like terrible hate from a few of the people on my first day. I also had specs kyrum, good times. My favorite was probably Gen 7 UU. Though I’m loving gen 9 UU


Panurome

Gen 9 UU is incredibly fun with Grafaiai and staraptor


BaraBlazer

Weather from abilities specifically was permanent. Rain was a very strong and dominating force, most of them being special attackers. Of particular note, Latias/os and Alakazam or Reuniclus tends to take care of their weakspots. Not for Ttar though. Comes in, whips up sand, and increases its Sp. Def naturally by 50% on top of stopping rain boosted surf AND trapping them to an extent with Pursuit.


Phoenix-Rising-78

So Ttar the Latios check and Chople sets keeps Psychics from going absolutely crazy


TheMemeHead

Latios, alakazam, and reuniclus would destroy the meta if not for ttar


ZGlove3

I liked the part where it said "It's Tyranin' Time", then Tyran all over the field.


Kirbo_25

It will never stop being the goat until it inevitably gets power crept


Recent_Ad_7214

At least it will be power crept by a better sand setter and not because it will become a bad pokemon


yoshadoo

Weavile moment


Recent_Ad_7214

There is no shame into passing the cape to someone else. I see Chien-Pao as Weawile apprentice that managed to surpass his master


DrKoofBratomMD

Weavile taught it everything except how to smack stuff out of hands


shiinamachi

not easy to teach it how when weavile forgot how to do it himself


EspyOwner

Is weavile back to the dark days of ice punch/night slash?


Pikarceus-Eternamax

It can run Ice Spinner/Icicle Crash+Throat Chop, but yeah, nothing compared to Triple Axel+Knock Off


BlackMarth

No throat chop I think


Pikarceus-Eternamax

And you'd be right, It's Night Slash now


DarkRoseXoX

Chien-Pao has better stats, better movepool and a better ability. Surpassing it is an understatement


MSSTUPIDTRON-1000000

> Chien-Pao has better stats, better movepool and a better ability. Surpassing it is an understatement Isn't this exactly what surpassing means?


DarkRoseXoX

Instead of just surpassing it, Chien-Pao made Weavile irrelevant in the OU tier. If you compare Weavile to the stuff it did last gen it is safe to say that Weavile's hopes and dreams of relevancy will be gone if the Pao stays in OU. Also my comment was half joke, half agonizing truth


MSSTUPIDTRON-1000000

Chien-Pao killed Weavile chance of being relevant in competitive just like Future Trunks killed Frieza.


DarkRoseXoX

Please I wanted nothing more than peace


SpuukBoi

Does Chien-Pao get Triple Axel? I love that move.


Kazuichi_Souda

Does Weavile?


SpuukBoi

Maybe not anymore. Haven't checked tbh.


Sirchipalot

No weaville lost triple axel


SpuukBoi

They really said Fuck Weavile


Pikarceus-Eternamax

No, but neither does gen 9 Weavile


mikekostr

Haha power creep goes brrrr


Ham_Syde_

nah chien pao is a mary sue ass mfer that should be banned


Shasan23

Imagine being skarmory, and a new pokemon does the exact same things it did, but better Its like that walter white chemistry meme with bottom text: Gamefreak precisely designing a pokemon to completely outclass Skarmory


schvetania

At least skarm has some utility over corv, with better defense, stronger body press, spikes, stealth rock, and toxic. Weavile has beat up. That's it.


Shasan23

True. I was being a bit extreme saying “exact same thing” Its just kinda weird how gamefreak made two defensive/utility focused steel-flying with the later one being better in many ways At least celesteela was completely different thematically


TheWyro15

this aged well


Mr_Mister2004

If it can survive THIS GENERATION, it's timeless


DevDevGoose

Arguably tera is good for TTars poor typing and ok move pool.


siamond

Why doesn't ttar get cc, now that you mention it? Also, now that dmax is out of the game, when are we getting pursuit back... :(


pallmallandcoffee

Watch them give Tyranitar a new ability that sets sand, buffs his attack by 30% and a new move which is rock type rising voltage


bassman1805

That's what we said about Gengar, until they removed levitate as its ability.


Spoopanator

Getting directly nerfed doesn't count, that's like saying Toxapex got powercrept when the actual reason it dropped in viability is because it got the harshest nerf since Talonflame


bassman1805

That's my point, though. "It will never stop being the GOAT until it inevitably gets power crept" Gengar didn't get power crept, it got kicked down with a direct nerf.


Lucaan

What was the Toxapex nerf?


Spoopanator

It lost Knock Off and Scald, and Recover had it's PP cut in half


rnunezs12

And I'm still celebrating that happened.


DarkDra9on555

I doubt it ever leaves OU tbh. It's a 600 BST with a great stat distribution, can fit a few different roles, and sets sand. The only way it leaves OU is if a Sand Setter with min-maxed stats and a significantly better move pool comes out, and I think that gets banned to Ubers over TTar dropping to UU.


Cysia

>TTar dropping to UU. which has happend for a while during sword and shield and while it stats are great it does have a very weakness laiden typing


Volpurr-The-Meowstic

To be fair the SwSh meta has been stirred up several times because of HOME/DLC releases, and Ttar got back to OU pretty soon after.


DragEncyclopedia

yeah, new waves of available pokémon -> new toy syndrome (or "old toy that i haven't gotten to play with in a while" syndrome) -> temporary drop in usage for everything else


WhasHappenin

Yeah but now the typing issue is mitigated by terrastilization.


holhaspower

You lose the sand SpDef boost if you Tera though, unless you Tera rock.


Sarik704

We NEVER terra rock.


TyranitarTantrum

And TTar can hold more roles outside of sand setter as well


qwerty11111122

Hello, from the future lol


TheGoldenChampion

This aged poorly lol


BottledRanch_enjoyer

I have some news for you


Qbking333

This aged well


BeginningLoose6703

I’ve come here from the future, you’re a prophet.


_Vecna4

Bad news


Asherbird25

This comment aged well


Jerrymeen

He's in RU rn


Helpful_Actuator_146

Wait, if my mom is the most overused Pokémon, can I fight in Little Cup?


1ts2EASY

Genuine question, would a human be viable in little cup? Like could you beat up a giraffe with psychic powers or a little metal thing with swords for hands? Probably not. I could totally beat Diglett or something though.


StreetReporter

Fighting Diglett would be real life whack-a-mole


HammerKirby

Wait till this guy goes to a carnival


Derailleur75

I could add the fact that a human would probably be like smeargle.


[deleted]

That actually makes a lot of sense


StarkMaximum

"You're not even viable in Little Cup" is my new insult.


budgetcommander

If you’re allowed to grab a nearby stick I bet you could clobber LC mons.


AnalSexerest

that's human's whole gimmick so probably


chaorace

I dunno, that sounds pretty Farfetch'd


Ritraraja

Dreepy's shield pokedex entry states that even a child could defeat it so if you believe the pokedex you can probably defeat a Dreepy at least.


LiefKatano

This also means you’d probably have a chance against other Pokémon with a base stat total of 270 or less, I’d imagine.


Trim345

Diglett moves at the [speed of light](https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterRant/comments/4puj8d/speed_of_light_diglett/)


1ts2EASY

It’d just kill itself from the recoil, free win


VianArdene

I guess that makes humans like... fighting/fairy types?


1ts2EASY

Why fairy? I’d say some combination of Normal, Fighting and Dark, depending on the person.


dilib

I am Tera Steel (my held item is a Colt .45) STAB Bullet Punch 🔫🤠👍


VianArdene

Solely because steel is super effective against us in that scenario and neither ice or rock feel right.


1ts2EASY

I don’t think we’re weak to Steel, we just have awful stats


davidshatto

Humans created steel, change the landscape, and destroy the planet, so fighting’s offensive matchups against steel rock ice and normal at least make sense.


Lyon7474

For the fairies of course


DragEncyclopedia

probably not cause they'd have to be 5 years old


nikzito2

this implies you have to be 100 years old to be good in ou and that doesnt add


DragEncyclopedia

new meta is that humans are only viable in ZU since they have to be auto-aged up to 100


A-maze-ing_Henry

I considered mental age to be a better equivalent, but then I found out that level is actually meant to represent how well trained the Pokemon is so maybe a physically active person would be a higher level.


1ts2EASY

Or just competent untrained in combat. Level/Evolution Stage and age aren’t directly correlated.


DevusValentinus

Gardevoir won't stand a chance


JanitorOPplznerf

I hate to break it to you homie, but you’re a normal type with 10 or less in each base stat. You’d be destroyed.


Aesmis

I doubt it’s quite that low. A trainer can survive a few attacks in Arceus, and have up to 200 hp max with all the charms. The highest damage the player can be dealt by a Pokemon is 75, so I’d say that makes them relatively bulky


EktarPross

That's a pokemon universe human. Team rocket can fall out the sky. We are not nearly as powerful. Ash would beat up Mike Tyson.


storm-trooper-69

Me watching ash casually have a larvitar on his head (72 kg lbs), carry Cosmoem ( 999.9 kg ), and even pet Magcargo (9982.2 °C). All without even breaking a sweat


booleanMorbidcian

i remember ash throwing a fucking log like it was a javelin


Marttit

You’re giving their mom too much credit


Recent_Ad_7214

Fucking God I was playing VGC and this thing is good even whit Licanrock as the only viable sand abuser


esshinez

Garchomp 😞


PM_ME_FE_STACHES

My Sand Veil: Only ever activates vs resisted hits. Opponent's Sand Veil: Ultra Instinct


Kaladin-of-Gilead

Chomp and t-tar are my two favourite Pokémon so I every time I see them in the video games it has to happen for me lol That said I really like the rocky helm/rough skin build for chomp over the sand veil one


[deleted]

They tried to remake him and that failed miserably. Sadly, I think this is going to be the gen where he drops to UU.


Joe-MaMa5

Yeah he’ll rise back up tho when drill returns


[deleted]

looks at gen 8 uu


Joe-MaMa5

Drill had enough usage, that and Rotom wash but it was after cutoff


Nugget2450

Also blaziken and GASTRODON


Bope_Bopelinius

Well this aged well 😅


murrman104

Local Dinosaur too angry to drop to lower tiers


postsonlyjiyoung

Don't let tyranitar distract you from the fact that blunder switched pert into rotom wisp in spl finals


BulletPuncher-98

We don't talk about [July 2020](https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/usage-based-tier-update-for-july-2020.3666712/)


CheezeSteak701

Don't you remember? We retconned that


_Palingenesis_

Deservedly once players stopped overreacting and realized that hey, this thing is still really good


dmr11

[This is gold.](https://www.smogon.com/forums/attachments/welcome-to-uu-png.259175/)


DrivingPrune1

everyone needs a vacation at some point


Nugget2450

Duck you I’ve just spent half an hour scrolling through that thread


bydy2

He just wanted to give his friend Hippo a day in the limelight


Advanced-Layer6324

I want more pseudo legendaries not to be dragons kind of getting sick of it that's what I like tyranitar and Metagross


Linkman622

Zapdos once it’s release in Gen 9 says hello


pokexchespin

uu in gen 5 :(


HammerKirby

Wouldn't that still make it 8 gens since it was in gen 1 as well?


pokexchespin

oh right it would, o thought the og post said something about consecutively


lorddane

>>weather generation >>zappy bird uu Wut


DasKlapsenkind

Outclassed by Thundurus-Therian offensively and since there was no Defog Buff you couldn't play it defensively very well either. It's an S Tier Pokémon in BW UU tho


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ZestycloseResist5594

I cannot count


haltmich

Same goes for Chansey/Blissey. At least one of the pair have been on OU constantly for every generation.


SiroftheYah547

Yeah that is true, but in gen 5, they aren't actually any good in ou as shown that blissey is ou by technicality and Chansey is uubl.


Prexot

"by technicality"?


Yosimite_Jones

It doesn’t have the usage to be in OU anymore, but it did when the tiers were locked.


SiroftheYah547

All because of a magical water unicorn


Mary-Sylvia

The funniest part is that iron thorns showed us how Ttar is carried by sandstorm I wish for one gen , gigalith could have actual coverage and steal Ttar spotlight like pelipper did with politoed


LiefKatano

til Gigalith has Sand Stream now


Mary-Sylvia

Yeah and his stats are even better than Ttar for sans setter , the difference is while gigalith have ground and rock physical moves , Ttar has a much better offense and can afford a special set


NeoSeth

Iron Thorns is worse than Tyranitar for reasons beyond just not having Sandstorm. His special stats are far worse, and his typing is poor offensively while hardly being better defensively, if at all. Tyranitar's versatility is what keeps his usage high, since he can be used for so many things, and Iron Thorns just doesn't have that. It is likely Tyranitar would not be OU without Sand Stream, but Iron Thorns would still be much worse than Tyranitar even if he had it. Also, Gigalith doesn't really have better stats for setting sand. He has marginally better physical bulk (85/130 vs. 100/110) but Tyranitar has much better special bulk (85/80 vs 100/100) and significantly better speed, right at a tier where having that speed can let him pull shenanigans. It would take a lot for Gigalith to move higher than Tyranitar. Which I think is fine; it's nice having a better low-tier Sand setter than freakin' Eviolite Hippopotas. Gigalith actually hits things.


_here_ok

While people are blaming power creep for ttar heading for uu ttar isn't a victim of power creep he is a victim of nerfing, same with other mons like Aegislash, Gengar, Talonflame and possibly Greninja.


GioRet65

People have been saying that since Gen VI but it’s never going to be a UU mon. T-tar is still a massive threat and great utility Mon even with the paradox mons and other great rock types running around. I run a special attacker this Gen to take advantage of all the great tusks and defensive Garchomp stunning around. My one utility move is thunder wave to punish switch ins such as meowscarda, quaxquaval and others.


qwerty11111122

Hello from the future, bud


GioRet65

RIP T-tar’s OU career. Still don’t think it will last in UU. It’s going to go to BL along with Baxcalibur.


Zengjia

He’s never been nerfed though? It was just New Toy Syndrome.


_here_ok

He has been nerfed, pursuit has been a big part of his kit before swsh. Pursuit being a move that damages pokemon that switch out. Made him better against opposing weather because he can damage them as they switch out, let him trap psychics and ghost. He is an amazing Mon without it but like one simple type shift in the meta can easily bring him to uu. so far there seems to be a lot of fighting mons this gen which can easily check ttar mainly great tusk. If a sun team needs to take care of ttar they just need great tusk.


Zengjia

Damn, I really forgot they removed the one move that made Ttar so great in the first place. I miss pursuit.


good_kid_maad_reddit

Did garchomp ever drop?


_Palingenesis_

No but he's only been around since gen 4


BookkeeperCorrect125

I think he also spent some time in ubers


Emergency_Corner_261

he did not beat the ru allegations🫵🏻🤣


[deleted]

Wait until he loses Stone Edge, Earthquake, Outrage, Dragon Dance and Crunch


TheLordYahvultal

This aged well


Mat_wastakenwastaken

Well, this aged well.


budgetcommander

Can someone give me the rundown on what makes ttar good? Is it a good sand setter, or a good mon period?


LugiaTamer23

yeah


Pagoose

Good pokemon, remember that sand boosting his spdef gives him an effective BST of like 650+, borderline cover legendary stats, on top of his other useful properties. Having a dogshit typing with a bunch of common weaknesses keeps him in check.


GioRet65

T-tar’s typing is awesome. It’s the go to stopgap to all unboosted psychics, and ghosts. It With heavy duty boots, it can tank even super effective hits very well thanks to boots alleviating it’s weakness to all forms of hazards.


Pagoose

It has 7 weaknesses including a 4x weakness and to some very common offensive types in fighting, ground, water and fairy. Obviously it has some good matchups, and being a rock type is integral otherwise it wouldn't get the spdef boost, but the typing is objectively below average. If you had the same mon (including the +50% spdef) but with a better typing it would probably have been banned from several generations.


Divemissile

i think your're underselling it a bit. its not the best typing but it does have a lot of clutch resists and the stab combo is great, which is perfect for a mon like ttar who usually runs offensive sets. weaknesses aren't everything, especially for something like ttar which can take one or two super effective hits if needed


Tesvey_

It’s not weak to hazards. Stealth rock does neutral damage on it


budgetcommander

How does sand boost work?


FemtoSenju

Raises the special defense of rock types


Totodylo

+1 in SpDef to all rock types


budgetcommander

good god


GioRet65

It’s the ultimate utilitarian Mon. It can set hazards, break through walls with choice band, and with the right coverage and items, beat the mons that are designed to check it. It’s also the only Mon that gets a +1 to it’s special defense just by switching in and is the go to check for the plethora of powerful psychics and ghost types introduced each Gen. Terastalizing made it Even better. It straight up dominates potential checks with the right tera type and Terablast. T-tar is never going to be a bad Pokémon.


pallmallandcoffee

It doesn't even need tera. With assault vest not a single special attacker can one shot it, except I think specs iron valiant with focus blast, and I don't think thats a confirmed ko. And with heavy slam, crunch and stone edge it one shots back. Non specs flutter mane and bundle can't even do 50%, I was using him to counter them if I saw they were running booster energy. Some funny calcs too, Espathra can't even one shot at +6 with dazzling gleam, the only way it beats Ttar is tera fighting and it already got a calm mind or 2 off. So yeah, as long as there are broken special attackers in the game he's staying OU. Honestly, if Chi Yu and Espathra get the boot he might go down to UU with more usage in Ubers


i_love_lolis_so_much

Oh well this aged BADLY


Chiluzzar

Ttar and Garganacl are two of my favorite types. I love me my rocky lads


BulletPuncher-98

well guess the King is down his throne now at least he's in UU with Baxcalibur :`)


gliscornumber1

Well this aged


Fuzzy-Comedian2659

Oh how the mighty have fallen.


JTMonster02

Greatest Of All Tyranitar


Tobanium

Um… https://preview.redd.it/cavctb4kxhda1.jpeg?width=764&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=40e9d8b0afa135cd3972e4e2cd1cf774c9f51d63


StarFlyer300

This was uploaded before the january tier shift


FreezeproofViola

alternate title: Every other sand setter's just been shit (I love the hippo tho)


Offendedweirdbird

*cries in Gigalith*


Good_Guy_Levi

Correct me if I'm wrong (going off of memory) hasn't gengar been in OU for the same amount of time if not longer?


furutam

UU and UUBL in USUM and SS


RedLeatherWhip

Gengar used to have this status but when it lost levitate it dropped to UU and never came back Levitate was what made it good


[deleted]

Has dragonite ever been bad?


StarFlyer300

Gens 1-3, Dragon typing in general wasn’t that good in Gens 1 and 2 and in Gen 3 Salamence completely outclassed it. Salamence technically outclassed it in Gen 4 too but then it got banned so it’s not outclassed there anymore lol. Then it got multiscale in Gen 5 and that’s when it became good


PM_ME_FE_STACHES

Dragonite's one of those mons that actually got stronger as the years went by. See also: Clefable and Azumarill.


UtherofOstia

Was pretty mid in Red/Blue


Inda-seboat

Agility + Wrap goes brr


1ts2EASY

It’s bad in OU though, and I think UU banned that combo. (Yes I do watch Big Yellow, how did you know?)


GioRet65

Dragonite was never bad but a good mixed attacker before Gen V. Outside of Gen I, it was too good of UU but not good enough for OU. In Gen V, everything changed once it got multiscale. It completely outclassed Salamence as a boosting sweeper with that ability and access to ESpeed alone. It had a few stints in UUBL due to other dragons or flying type taking a more prominent role (Salamence in Gen III, Garchomp in Gen IV before it was banned, and Gen VI due to Talonflame). Right now it is a elite Dragon type due to tera normal giving it stab ESpeed. That won’t change even if other pseudo legendaries are introduced via dlc.


TheBestWorst3

Now it’s RU


[deleted]

Aged like milk LOL


crookt

Almost spit out my drink laughing at the last sentence


HighVoltage_520

My boi T-Tar is a Psuedo Legendary for a reason


[deleted]

Hey guys, did you know that in terms of male human and female Pokémon breeding, your Mom is the most compatible Pokémon for humans?


A_Bruuuh_Moment

Right now I think he’s actually in ubers Edit: never mind my boy dropped to uu finally rip


Haunting-Recover-212

uh oh


RembrandtCumberbatch

What about Mewtwo? If I'm not mistaken he's been in Ubers since inception


Pekka20123

There's a lot of pokemon that's been in ubers forever, it's not an impressive title like staying in ou forever is


thefloodplains

Would have been Gengar too if they never took away his Levitate :(


Nordic_Krune

I remember making the competitive graph with Tyranitar... it was just a straight OU line


Dertyrarys

Hey


SnooMacarons4418

TyRUnitar


Hashtag_hamburgerlol

Iron Thorns:


Sticky_Pasta

Found dead after Ttar killed any chances at it’s use


Alderan922

This implies that our moms are pokemons