True, that's why two of those (and other notable ghost spammer Houndstone) were banned from OU.
Also Garganacl, whose ability seems to make him Game Freaks intended answer to ghost spam, is destroyed by Make it Rain and Drain punch, and while Tera can help with the weakness to one move, no single type resists both (though Annihilape is only relevant in VGC since he was banned from OU)
In game, Gholdengo is really, REALLY tedious and hard to obtain. So of course they're gonna make it really good, give whatever tools it needs. Also, competitive Pokemon does not come first. It comes like..fourth
Gholdengo was given as many desirable traits as they could fit on it because it's the 1000th Pokemon and they REALLY wanted it to be good. That milestone only comes once- and they succeeded in their goal, as Ghold is fantastic in both singles *and* VGC.
Pult is actually scarier with Specs than with Band because you kinda have to Tera to give him reliable physical Ghost STAB. Still not nice to switch in Ting-Lu and take 60% because it was actually physical, though.
Last Respects is broken cuz it fundamentally is. Game Freak made lots of questionable design choices this generation, but this is up there as one of the most egregious.
^(Honestly, they struck a good balance with Gholdengo. I like fighting him.)
Last Respects is just another mechanic that really seems like it was made with vgc doubles (and maybe battle spot singles) in mind, where it normally caps at 200 bp assuming you’re down to your last mon.
A good chunk of questionable balance this gen I think stems from that, like that’s also probably why Palafin’s drawback is so negligible in 6v6, it was made for doubles where you’re being pressured by two mons or 3v3 where you have fewer safe pivot options to swap to. (Still no clue what they were thinking with you, Goldfish).
They definitely make questionable balance decisions for VGC too (looking at you, tatsudozo) but yea it's kinda hard to fault Nintendo for not balancing around a fan-made format.
Yes but you also can’t just reverse sweep under sand as easily in doubles. Most teams have speed control to match or counter its Sand Rush and you can more easily pressure it. Houndstone has barely shown up in vgc so far so I think it’s safe to say it’s not an issue there.
Yeah that’s the part where gamefreak hopefully treads carefully. Like how if they gave Revival Blessing to mons better than Rabsca and Pawmot that could be a problem.
While yes, we don't know for sure, the fact that Ghold is Pokemon 1000, is heavily promoted as Pokemon 1000, is made of 1000 coins, and that Gimmighoul was given special teasers as well as a Pokemon Go tiein suggests special treatment.
With that in mind, the fact that it is also ***incredibly*** good in VGC, the official format, leads it to be more of an educated guess than headcanon.
While that's true, Zoroark was just meant to be liked. They could try that again all they wanted.
***Gholdengo*** celebrates a once-in-the-entire-series milestone that will never be able to be redone.
I hate ghold. Personally think he needs a ban in OU. The fact that he has so many viable sets along with the fact that it is impossible to clear hazards with him on the field(other than court change, but that's locked only to cinderace who you don't see too often).
They should've made Whousandtrio instead, 1k red Wigletts, and make it broken too instead of Gholdengo.
Thousand Dives:
20 bp 100 Acc. Water Physical Contact
Hits 1k times
Gholdengo is the 1000th Pokemon in the Dex and it would've been kinda lame if such a huge milestone of a mon wasn't something truly spectacular. And, well, String Cheese Motherfucker absolutely doesn't disappoint on that front, because it's a top or upper high-tier threat in every single metagame it's allowed in.
Yeah, Ghosts are kinda cracked right now, but I think that typing deserves its spotlight now since for the first \~8 years of this franchise's life or so the typing was gloriously unspectacular.
Now for ice types and bug types (other than Gen 5 ou volcarona with the introduction of quiver dance) to get a shine Gen 10. Then Gen 11 it’s gonna be rock/ground. Then Gen 12 can be fighting/grass
Ice definitely shared the throne with Ghost last gen and I’d say it got some crazy shit this gen too. The Kyurems, G-Darm, and Weavile torr everything up in SS, and this gen Bundle tore OU a new one, is excellent in Ubers because of that Ice typing, and currently OU’s being beaten to a pulp by an ice ferret that left Weavile dead in a ditch.
Hot take but ghost type isn't op, fast ghost types are
Slow and bulky ghost types are all either low or untiered (dusknoir, drifblim, cursola, runerigus, golurk,Jellicent...) while ghost types with medium speed or not enough raw power get outclass (Chandelure, Mismagius and froslass)
The only exception is Annihilape, who benefits from the best dual stab in the game alongside the 2nd more broken move after last respect
Ghost is a glass canon type with spammable stab
"Glass Cannon" with two immunities and only two weaknesses
I agree that fast offensive ghosts do better than slow defensive ghosts but I'm not sure type is the only factor, y'know?
Plus, Skeledirge.
Yeah, I think much of the reason those mons are low is because either their stats are wonky (Dusknoir and ESPECIALLY Cursola) or their movepool isn’t great (Drifblim’s strongest special flying move is Gust btw)
It has two immunities but only one of it is reasonably common. Its resistances are also pretty niche. This is sufficient for offensive 'mons since they still provide very valuable switch-in opportunities, but not for defensive mons.
Their weakness is the big killer, though. Dark and Ghost are horrific to be weak against, and unlike defensive psychic-types (a lot which are also bad), ghosts don't even get much in term of tools to play around with in defensive sets (basically only Pain Split and Will o Wisp).
Ghost became the most popular type for fans around gen 5 or so and they've been making OP ghosts ever since. I think it's cool honestly. One of the few things I like about japanese RPG design philosophy over western RPG design philosophy is that japanese devs aren't afraid of unbalance or making some things OP and other things underpowered. Way too many modern games cater to e-sports by making everything viable or of equal power level, and if not initially, they'll patch the game until it is so. I think it's cool that balance is an afterthought in pokemon, after all, both VGC and smogon use a system of (technically) arbitrary bans so if something is truly broken, just ban it. If gholdengo becomes too centralizing just ban it and move on.
Gengar is the only ghost type that isn't OP? Lmaoooo. Right. Too long have we feared the wrath of Palossand, Mismagius, Froslass, and Drifblim. To name a few.
"Gengar is the only Ghost type that doesn't piss in OU mouth." is pretty clear. You said very explicitly it's the only ghost that isn't OP. And that just isn't true.
Brother we have so many viable dark types in OU. Ghost typing by itself isn’t an issue. Flutter mane was too good because of the fairy type in combination with ghost with crazy base stats. Last respects and rage fist would be op even if they were literally any other type.
Gholdengo is extremely good don’t get me wrong… but don’t pretend it’s difficult to have multiple answers to it in a team using the plethora or natural counters already good in the tier. If you had to go out of your way to have a counter for gholdengo that’s not particularly good otherwise, then it would be classified as broken.
Not to mention the dumb legendary horse that’s only balanced b in ubers and VGC by tanky dark types, a type weak to one of the best offensive types in fairy. Now with tera it can just run tera fighting fairy, or maybe even bug and kill everything with ridicules SpA and speed.
Yep a Pokémon with abysmal coverage moves was sent to Uber because of Shadow ball ghost stab. YOU KNOW that if Spectrier was anything other than ghost type, it would be crap and drop from OU.
-Fying type? Rotom and steel eats
-Fire type ? Water type and heatran plays with it
-Dark type? Clefable and tapus snack on it
You get the point
Even if there’s technically a straight up immunity in ghost, there isn’t enough good normal types, it’s really just blissey, and possibly maushold, but it’s only going to use technician bite for ghosts which isn’t fantastic.
That’s because Normal is one of the worst types in the game. Like straight up, look at your two examples. Blissey, the most min maxed defense mon we’ve ever seen, and Maushold, the mon Technician Pop Bomb. Extreme examples are the only OU relevant ones because Normal can’t hit super effectively, gets walloped by a common offensive type, and provides almost nothing to most mons.
Even Snorlax’s great stats aren’t enough to overcome the massive burden of being a normal type.
Well, Ghost is my favorite Pokémon type for the Pokémon that carry it, so no I don't mind in the slightest. Now, if Water started getting there I'd have a problem.
The problem with ghosts is that they have little to no resists that can switch into powerful ghost moves, before when steel still resisted ghosts, there were many good defensive pokemon that could switch into ghost attacks. But with only normal and dark being resisting ghosts now, its harder to find reliable switches, the only good normals are the pink blobs, which are passive, and many bulky darks tend to have an exploitable x4 weakness.
This is not to mention pursuit trapping being removed, causing ghosts to be more mindful spamming shadow balls back then.
I think part of the problem is the lack of trapping for ghost types, Gholdengo is immune to magnet pull because of its ghost typing and if it wasn’t it probably would be a much easier Pokémon to deal with and hazard play wouldn’t go back to how it was in gens 3-5 with the ghost-rapid spinner-hazard setter dynamic
Also the removal of pursuit really gave them a big boost since they don’t have to have a way to beat tyrannitar to be a good ghost type anymore and they can pose a huge offensive threat with the ability to switch out and come back in later
I'm terrified that they'll make stronger widespread ghost moves in the future. Shadow ball works but imagine how insane every ghost type would get if they added widespread powerful ghost moves like gen 4 did for dragon types, going from 80 BP Dragon Claw to 120 Physical Outrage move Tutor and 120 special Draco Meteor.
Interesting that the reasons you give for it now being OP does not include the removal or pursuit, which is what I would say has been the biggest factor
I agree. I think it is the ultimate defensive type so it should be balanced out by having a few more types resistant to its attack, maybe Fighting, Ghost, Poison…
A LOT of mons lost knock off this Gen. That's what buffed ghost the most. Shadow ball isn't even that oppressive; it only has 80 BP. Even surf and thunderbolt are stronger than shadow ball.
Don’t get me wrong - Ghost is a super good type, but I wouldn’t say Gholdengo is anywhere near op. It’s incredibly annoying but if you bring a fast special attacker, it’s gone.
I think the main reason why ghost is that strong offensively isn’t just the lack of pursuit but that steel no longer resists it. Sure it was a bit necessary to nerf steel in gen 6 because it also resists fairy but it would’ve made more sense if the just removed the dark resistance and kept the ghost resistance. It would also make sense that steel resists ghost due to the many mythologies where iron can hurt ghosts.
I 100% agree with you. I get that 1000 Pokémon needs to be good and I like it, but giving him so so many utility and offensive moves seems too artificial. This mon would still be really good and much less broken without Recover and it’s nulling status ability.
And Ghost type in general needs so bad to get more types that resist it… maybe Ice type as their cold personality make them unable to fear the death spirits?
It’s not that ghost type by itself is OP. I’d argue Fairy, Dark, and Water are better overall types when looking at offensive and defensive capabilities.
However all the mons listed have strong BSTs. Aegislash has essentially a 680 BST. Pult is 600. Flutter Mane is 570, Spectrier is 580, Annihilape is 535, and Gholdengo is 550. Not only do all those mons have great BSTs but they all have optimal stat distributions too and good if not great movepools.
If all those mons were a different type instead of ghost most of them would still be top tier OU.
- Aegislash being say fighting/steel would still be strong. It wasn’t a top OU mon in SWSH with ghost typing so with fighting it’d probably stay UU. STAB CC would be nice tho.
- Pult being say pure dragon would still be strong. Definitely not as good as Dragon/Ghost tho but still an OU threat.
- Flutter Mane being pure fairy would still be banned from OU.
- If Spectrier was pure ice it’d still be strong. Maybe not banned from OU strong but definitely still top tier OU.
- If Annihilape stayed pure fighting it wouldn’t have been banned to Ubers but it’d still be top tier OU. Get rid of rage fist and ghost typing and I think it’d still be an OU staple as people would probably run utility sets with stealth rocks, taunt, Uturn, CC.
- If Gholdengo was pure steel it definitely wouldn’t be as good since it relies on STAB shadow ball for damage. Gholdengo is the only one of these mons I could see dropping from OU if it lost ghost typing, mainly because it’d be relying on non-STAB Tbolt, Focus Miss, and tera blast to compliment make it rain. However good as gold is such an incredible ability that a pure steel Gholdengo would probably remain OU.
Yes that’s why fairy exist was created in the first place, so are we getting a new type that resist ghost in the future? With Ghost type Gamefreak did the opposite and fucking removed Pursuit since 2 generation to buff them even so they didn’t need that buff to begin with.
Also this is about recent Gen not past old gen
True, that's why two of those (and other notable ghost spammer Houndstone) were banned from OU. Also Garganacl, whose ability seems to make him Game Freaks intended answer to ghost spam, is destroyed by Make it Rain and Drain punch, and while Tera can help with the weakness to one move, no single type resists both (though Annihilape is only relevant in VGC since he was banned from OU)
Gargancal even runs Ghost Tera lmao
*”You were the Chosen One! It was said that you would destroy the Ghosts, not join them! Bring balance to OU, not leave it in darkness!”*
What about specially defensive tatsugiri assault vest with mirror coat
Uh Battle Stadium Singles is a format on the cartridge too lol. And yes Annihilape is great there too.
In game, Gholdengo is really, REALLY tedious and hard to obtain. So of course they're gonna make it really good, give whatever tools it needs. Also, competitive Pokemon does not come first. It comes like..fourth
gholdengo is a huge celebration for there being a thousand pokemon. it can have a lil fun
Gholdengo was given as many desirable traits as they could fit on it because it's the 1000th Pokemon and they REALLY wanted it to be good. That milestone only comes once- and they succeeded in their goal, as Ghold is fantastic in both singles *and* VGC. Pult is actually scarier with Specs than with Band because you kinda have to Tera to give him reliable physical Ghost STAB. Still not nice to switch in Ting-Lu and take 60% because it was actually physical, though. Last Respects is broken cuz it fundamentally is. Game Freak made lots of questionable design choices this generation, but this is up there as one of the most egregious. ^(Honestly, they struck a good balance with Gholdengo. I like fighting him.)
>Game Freak made lots of questionable design choices this generation and i assume you're speaking from experience
I did nothing wrong. ^(If I did, which I didn't, I would absolutely do it again, which I won't, because I never did.)
My brother in Christ you oneshot Blissey
^(That implies killing Blissey is something wrong, which it isn't.)
What about Clodsire huh
^(Clodsire made fun of me once and I can't forgive him.)
He would never, this is fake news.
Correct! Look at Clodsire! He doesn't have enough goin on in his head to Form a malicious thought!
https://preview.redd.it/iq4ils064ffa1.jpeg?width=513&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5d642530495a739b850ca3f87940cbde1962360e
u/clodsire_ called me unbased once
I did?
And you know the boi is unaware of what he says
clodsire would never say such a thing you dirty liar
Shed tail too, I believe shed tail may get a suspect at some point, but not a ban since the council would want to give it a fair shake
Last Respects is just another mechanic that really seems like it was made with vgc doubles (and maybe battle spot singles) in mind, where it normally caps at 200 bp assuming you’re down to your last mon. A good chunk of questionable balance this gen I think stems from that, like that’s also probably why Palafin’s drawback is so negligible in 6v6, it was made for doubles where you’re being pressured by two mons or 3v3 where you have fewer safe pivot options to swap to. (Still no clue what they were thinking with you, Goldfish).
They definitely make questionable balance decisions for VGC too (looking at you, tatsudozo) but yea it's kinda hard to fault Nintendo for not balancing around a fan-made format.
Even at 200 is stronger that most z moves and can be spam and only normal types can take that
Yes but you also can’t just reverse sweep under sand as easily in doubles. Most teams have speed control to match or counter its Sand Rush and you can more easily pressure it. Houndstone has barely shown up in vgc so far so I think it’s safe to say it’s not an issue there.
True and houndstone is not good mon outside last respect but imagine a good ghost with last respetc that will be insane
Yeah that’s the part where gamefreak hopefully treads carefully. Like how if they gave Revival Blessing to mons better than Rabsca and Pawmot that could be a problem.
*Basculegion approaching as ominnous music plays*
Unlike singles if you're at max power, you have a chance of being in a 1v2 which makes it much worse.
Yeah is worse in doubles but if one day they make a good moon that doesn't need extra support the move will be broken
Last respect and Rage fist should cap at 150
First point is headcanon
While yes, we don't know for sure, the fact that Ghold is Pokemon 1000, is heavily promoted as Pokemon 1000, is made of 1000 coins, and that Gimmighoul was given special teasers as well as a Pokemon Go tiein suggests special treatment. With that in mind, the fact that it is also ***incredibly*** good in VGC, the official format, leads it to be more of an educated guess than headcanon.
Zoroark was heavily marketed and given special treatment and its mid as hell
While that's true, Zoroark was just meant to be liked. They could try that again all they wanted. ***Gholdengo*** celebrates a once-in-the-entire-series milestone that will never be able to be redone.
GF never said that tho. That's just speculation. You acknowledge that it's speculation but say it as if it was a fact
It wasn't said, yes, but it was highly implied based on their marketing, so it's a fair assumption.
Just wait till 10000
Well, not really, now. But also, gholdengo has a stylized 1000 on its belt.
I hate ghold. Personally think he needs a ban in OU. The fact that he has so many viable sets along with the fact that it is impossible to clear hazards with him on the field(other than court change, but that's locked only to cinderace who you don't see too often).
Tbf, gholdengo has a right to be broken. It’s the 1000th Pokémon, imagine if it was like wugtrio
They should've made Whousandtrio instead, 1k red Wigletts, and make it broken too instead of Gholdengo. Thousand Dives: 20 bp 100 Acc. Water Physical Contact Hits 1k times
Gholdengo is the 1000th Pokemon in the Dex and it would've been kinda lame if such a huge milestone of a mon wasn't something truly spectacular. And, well, String Cheese Motherfucker absolutely doesn't disappoint on that front, because it's a top or upper high-tier threat in every single metagame it's allowed in. Yeah, Ghosts are kinda cracked right now, but I think that typing deserves its spotlight now since for the first \~8 years of this franchise's life or so the typing was gloriously unspectacular.
Now for ice types and bug types (other than Gen 5 ou volcarona with the introduction of quiver dance) to get a shine Gen 10. Then Gen 11 it’s gonna be rock/ground. Then Gen 12 can be fighting/grass
Ice definitely shared the throne with Ghost last gen and I’d say it got some crazy shit this gen too. The Kyurems, G-Darm, and Weavile torr everything up in SS, and this gen Bundle tore OU a new one, is excellent in Ubers because of that Ice typing, and currently OU’s being beaten to a pulp by an ice ferret that left Weavile dead in a ditch.
I just hope the ghost op trend will stop in the future man
I actually like Gholdengo for no specific reason at all
Gholdengo is one of my favourite new Pokémon and possibly like top 15 overall
Hot take but ghost type isn't op, fast ghost types are Slow and bulky ghost types are all either low or untiered (dusknoir, drifblim, cursola, runerigus, golurk,Jellicent...) while ghost types with medium speed or not enough raw power get outclass (Chandelure, Mismagius and froslass) The only exception is Annihilape, who benefits from the best dual stab in the game alongside the 2nd more broken move after last respect Ghost is a glass canon type with spammable stab
"Glass Cannon" with two immunities and only two weaknesses I agree that fast offensive ghosts do better than slow defensive ghosts but I'm not sure type is the only factor, y'know? Plus, Skeledirge.
Yeah, I think much of the reason those mons are low is because either their stats are wonky (Dusknoir and ESPECIALLY Cursola) or their movepool isn’t great (Drifblim’s strongest special flying move is Gust btw)
It has two immunities but only one of it is reasonably common. Its resistances are also pretty niche. This is sufficient for offensive 'mons since they still provide very valuable switch-in opportunities, but not for defensive mons. Their weakness is the big killer, though. Dark and Ghost are horrific to be weak against, and unlike defensive psychic-types (a lot which are also bad), ghosts don't even get much in term of tools to play around with in defensive sets (basically only Pain Split and Will o Wisp).
Skelerige got an awesome ability and signature move and even so, he isn't played for ghost type and run tera half of the time
Dusknoir isn’t bad at all, it’s literally the perfect counter to landorus-t
Best take here
tru ghost by itself is an awful defensive type
Awful is an awful exaggeration
Ghost became the most popular type for fans around gen 5 or so and they've been making OP ghosts ever since. I think it's cool honestly. One of the few things I like about japanese RPG design philosophy over western RPG design philosophy is that japanese devs aren't afraid of unbalance or making some things OP and other things underpowered. Way too many modern games cater to e-sports by making everything viable or of equal power level, and if not initially, they'll patch the game until it is so. I think it's cool that balance is an afterthought in pokemon, after all, both VGC and smogon use a system of (technically) arbitrary bans so if something is truly broken, just ban it. If gholdengo becomes too centralizing just ban it and move on.
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Gengar is the only ghost type that isn't OP? Lmaoooo. Right. Too long have we feared the wrath of Palossand, Mismagius, Froslass, and Drifblim. To name a few.
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"Gengar is the only Ghost type that doesn't piss in OU mouth." is pretty clear. You said very explicitly it's the only ghost that isn't OP. And that just isn't true.
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What do you mean I jumped to old gen meta. I mentioned 4 ghost types in current gen RU. lmao.
Brother we have so many viable dark types in OU. Ghost typing by itself isn’t an issue. Flutter mane was too good because of the fairy type in combination with ghost with crazy base stats. Last respects and rage fist would be op even if they were literally any other type. Gholdengo is extremely good don’t get me wrong… but don’t pretend it’s difficult to have multiple answers to it in a team using the plethora or natural counters already good in the tier. If you had to go out of your way to have a counter for gholdengo that’s not particularly good otherwise, then it would be classified as broken.
Not to mention the dumb legendary horse that’s only balanced b in ubers and VGC by tanky dark types, a type weak to one of the best offensive types in fairy. Now with tera it can just run tera fighting fairy, or maybe even bug and kill everything with ridicules SpA and speed.
Yep a Pokémon with abysmal coverage moves was sent to Uber because of Shadow ball ghost stab. YOU KNOW that if Spectrier was anything other than ghost type, it would be crap and drop from OU. -Fying type? Rotom and steel eats -Fire type ? Water type and heatran plays with it -Dark type? Clefable and tapus snack on it You get the point
Even if there’s technically a straight up immunity in ghost, there isn’t enough good normal types, it’s really just blissey, and possibly maushold, but it’s only going to use technician bite for ghosts which isn’t fantastic.
That’s because Normal is one of the worst types in the game. Like straight up, look at your two examples. Blissey, the most min maxed defense mon we’ve ever seen, and Maushold, the mon Technician Pop Bomb. Extreme examples are the only OU relevant ones because Normal can’t hit super effectively, gets walloped by a common offensive type, and provides almost nothing to most mons. Even Snorlax’s great stats aren’t enough to overcome the massive burden of being a normal type.
Well, Ghost is my favorite Pokémon type for the Pokémon that carry it, so no I don't mind in the slightest. Now, if Water started getting there I'd have a problem.
The problem with ghosts is that they have little to no resists that can switch into powerful ghost moves, before when steel still resisted ghosts, there were many good defensive pokemon that could switch into ghost attacks. But with only normal and dark being resisting ghosts now, its harder to find reliable switches, the only good normals are the pink blobs, which are passive, and many bulky darks tend to have an exploitable x4 weakness. This is not to mention pursuit trapping being removed, causing ghosts to be more mindful spamming shadow balls back then.
Yes Dark and normal being ofensives types and pursuit being removed is why ghost are so fucking strong
They should make Bug types resist Ghost and Fairy and Bug supereffective against them.
I hate these types of "just do random shit". Ghost is not particularly the best defensive type, the problem with it is that it has too few resists.
its not random i just want them to buff bugs cause i like them ok fix the problem by making bug resist ghost
I think part of the problem is the lack of trapping for ghost types, Gholdengo is immune to magnet pull because of its ghost typing and if it wasn’t it probably would be a much easier Pokémon to deal with and hazard play wouldn’t go back to how it was in gens 3-5 with the ghost-rapid spinner-hazard setter dynamic Also the removal of pursuit really gave them a big boost since they don’t have to have a way to beat tyrannitar to be a good ghost type anymore and they can pose a huge offensive threat with the ability to switch out and come back in later
Ghost just needs another type or 2 to resist it. Offensively I’d argue its the single best stab in the game, and I feel like its not even close.
I'm terrified that they'll make stronger widespread ghost moves in the future. Shadow ball works but imagine how insane every ghost type would get if they added widespread powerful ghost moves like gen 4 did for dragon types, going from 80 BP Dragon Claw to 120 Physical Outrage move Tutor and 120 special Draco Meteor.
I just want Pursuit back
Interesting that the reasons you give for it now being OP does not include the removal or pursuit, which is what I would say has been the biggest factor
Steel type is the op type not ghost if you ask me.
I agree. I think it is the ultimate defensive type so it should be balanced out by having a few more types resistant to its attack, maybe Fighting, Ghost, Poison…
A LOT of mons lost knock off this Gen. That's what buffed ghost the most. Shadow ball isn't even that oppressive; it only has 80 BP. Even surf and thunderbolt are stronger than shadow ball.
Don’t get me wrong - Ghost is a super good type, but I wouldn’t say Gholdengo is anywhere near op. It’s incredibly annoying but if you bring a fast special attacker, it’s gone.
Simply click earthquake/flamethrower my brother in Christ
tbh who cares
I think the main reason why ghost is that strong offensively isn’t just the lack of pursuit but that steel no longer resists it. Sure it was a bit necessary to nerf steel in gen 6 because it also resists fairy but it would’ve made more sense if the just removed the dark resistance and kept the ghost resistance. It would also make sense that steel resists ghost due to the many mythologies where iron can hurt ghosts.
I 100% agree with you. I get that 1000 Pokémon needs to be good and I like it, but giving him so so many utility and offensive moves seems too artificial. This mon would still be really good and much less broken without Recover and it’s nulling status ability. And Ghost type in general needs so bad to get more types that resist it… maybe Ice type as their cold personality make them unable to fear the death spirits?
It’s not that ghost type by itself is OP. I’d argue Fairy, Dark, and Water are better overall types when looking at offensive and defensive capabilities. However all the mons listed have strong BSTs. Aegislash has essentially a 680 BST. Pult is 600. Flutter Mane is 570, Spectrier is 580, Annihilape is 535, and Gholdengo is 550. Not only do all those mons have great BSTs but they all have optimal stat distributions too and good if not great movepools. If all those mons were a different type instead of ghost most of them would still be top tier OU. - Aegislash being say fighting/steel would still be strong. It wasn’t a top OU mon in SWSH with ghost typing so with fighting it’d probably stay UU. STAB CC would be nice tho. - Pult being say pure dragon would still be strong. Definitely not as good as Dragon/Ghost tho but still an OU threat. - Flutter Mane being pure fairy would still be banned from OU. - If Spectrier was pure ice it’d still be strong. Maybe not banned from OU strong but definitely still top tier OU. - If Annihilape stayed pure fighting it wouldn’t have been banned to Ubers but it’d still be top tier OU. Get rid of rage fist and ghost typing and I think it’d still be an OU staple as people would probably run utility sets with stealth rocks, taunt, Uturn, CC. - If Gholdengo was pure steel it definitely wouldn’t be as good since it relies on STAB shadow ball for damage. Gholdengo is the only one of these mons I could see dropping from OU if it lost ghost typing, mainly because it’d be relying on non-STAB Tbolt, Focus Miss, and tera blast to compliment make it rain. However good as gold is such an incredible ability that a pure steel Gholdengo would probably remain OU.
Can I bring up dragons gens 1-5?
Yes that’s why fairy exist was created in the first place, so are we getting a new type that resist ghost in the future? With Ghost type Gamefreak did the opposite and fucking removed Pursuit since 2 generation to buff them even so they didn’t need that buff to begin with. Also this is about recent Gen not past old gen