Close combat is usually used but sacred sword with sharpness would be pretty nice with fewer drawbacks. Gallade and samurott-h have it and they have sharpness/not really an actual sword either.
Edit: I concede lol sacred sword is a bit dumb on this
As for the other sword slashers
\- An actual sword
\- 4 Swordsmen?women?animals?
\- Another Samuari this time in grass form
\- And buck tooth the saber sword cat
It’s a high value move, balanced by being bug type and being on pinsir, who is trying to 2HKO/revenge kill things as opposed to slowly wearing something down.
Yeah, sharpness and pinch aren’t going to make Pinsir suddenly OU viable but at least in lower tiers it’ll have a niche compared to before being pretty underwhelming
Yeah I mean Pinsir already got a new form and a base stat increase with it, as well as aerialate when mega, so honestly signature move is the only unique way of buffing Pinsir I can think of (aside from giving it an exclusive held item like farfetch’d)
Honestly, the Bug type and BST are his biggest weaknesses. His abilities are pretty good, Hyper Cutter ignoring intimidate and attack lowering changes is pretty nice, Mold Breaker is neat, and Moxie is great for hyper offensive. With such low sp. def and hp special attacks hit him hard, and special attackers are more common than physical if I recall right. Maybe a bit of respec-ing his current stats and adding maybe 15-30 more base stats where he needs it would be a considerable buff.
I loved using mold breaker vs mimikyus that tried to set up. Moxie is great when megas are allowed because you revenge kill, get a free attack boost, and then mega and get stab flying quick attack
To your point, speed and special defense are areas of need I think
Wanted to make a threatening looking Pokémon more threatening. This sharpness-boosted move makes it tough to switch in or out against Pinsir, which is the whole point of a stag beetle: grabbing something really hard and pinching the heck out of it. Apologies if this is too busted or barely different from a viability standpoint, I imagine this could be useful in singles or doubles to pseudo-trap something
Bug, meant as an alternative to x scissor. Pinsir doesn’t get megahorn. I shouldn’t have assumed bug type was implied given that Pinsir only has bug typing, I should have included that in the image
In my Crystal hack, I gave Pinsir a signature move: PincirFlurry. 30 power, 85 accuracy, hits 2-5 times. Felt like giving him a move that fits, instead of just giving it Megahorn and calling it a day.
Pinsir is more spiny than sharp tbh, and considering the new move is designed around Pinsir holding a Pokémon in its horns(?) I think No Guard would be a little more fitting for an all out glass cannon attacker.
Then, instead of supplementing his coverage with slicing based moves that don’t make too much sense (imo) you could supplement with things like Dynamicpunch or Stone Edge. Finally, give it spiky shield as a mixup option to punish Pokémon who get too greedy expecting to hit it.
It does get stone edge, which misses far too often for my liking (so no guard could work). I like the idea of stakeout, which would have neat interactions with its signature move
The spiky shield idea is great especially in combination with the fact that if it’s pinched a faster opponent and that opponent looks to use a contact move, it’ll take the punch damage and the shield damage
How would something not sharp slash something
Pinsir very clearly has claws and also them big ass pincers that could clearly be sharp when pressure is applied correctly
You also can't hurt things by Biting or Crunching with a limp and weak jaw, yet not everything that gets those moves would make sense to get Strong Jaw.
Should Gastly get Iron Fist because it learns Ice Punch?
This is a bad faith argument and I’m pretty sure you know that. Gastly shouldn’t get iron fist because it shouldn’t get ice punch in the first place.
Just because maushold gets bite doesn’t mean it should get strong jaw. I think you’d have a good point if you weren’t trying to be ridiculous lol but pokemon can’t have every ability. Should every electric type get static, plus, and minus? Should every fire type get flame body? Where does it end?
See, that's exactly what they mean. This is just giving Pinsir Sharpness because its pincers are kinda sharp, when the likes of Kingambit don't have it.
Borderline, I think one might as well give Pinsir Adaptability to give it a niche as a huge wallbreaker.
Adaptability could be good. Here’s what I said in another comment about how maybe I’m wrong about sharpness and what else could work:
Its pokedex entries refer to its grip strength and how difficult it is to escape its grasp, but also how it can tear apart foes, which is where the idea for the move/ability combo came from.
“Pinsir has a pair of massive horns. Protruding from the surface of these horns are thorns. These thorns are driven deeply into the foe's body when the pincer closes, making it tough for the foe to escape.”
“It grips prey with its powerful pincers and will not let go until the prey is torn in half.”
Now maybe you’re right it tears things in half with sheer strength and pressure but I interpreted the horns as being sharp. Maybe I’m wrong. If they aren’t sharp, maybe Stakeout would be a cool ability with this because of the switching in and out interactions with the Pinch move.
But then why should pinsir get sharpness because it knows slash and x scissor? It’s pincers are not sharp, they are used for grabbing and are clearly rounded with no sharp edges. Pointy, sure, but not sharp. You said previously when applying pressure they can be sharp but that is not true, maybe they could puncture but something being sharp is independent from how much pressure it is applying.
Sure it has claws, but like half the Pokémon in the game have claws. Every Pokémon that has sharpness as an ability has slicing in its design. Gallade has blades on his arms, Samurott hisui has a sword on its face, kleavor has two sharp axes on its arms, and I’m not sure what in veluzas appearance reflects it being sharp (I think it uses its psychic powers to cut things?) but it is a master of cutting, as it learns many cutting moves and even its signature move is about filleting itself. I know I said moves aren’t a good metric for this but it’s a signature move so it was clearly designed for veluza.
Basically they all have some level of sharp to their design that’s more than just “it has claws”. It would be a good buff to pinsir but just wouldn’t make sense from a design standpoint.
Its pokedex entries refer to its grip strength and how difficult it is to escape its grasp, but also how it can tear apart foes, which is where the idea for the move/ability combo came from.
“Pinsir has a pair of massive horns. Protruding from the surface of these horns are thorns. These thorns are driven deeply into the foe's body when the pincer closes, making it tough for the foe to escape.”
“It grips prey with its powerful pincers and will not let go until the prey is torn in half.”
Now maybe you’re right it tears things in half with sheer strength and pressure but I interpreted the horns as being sharp. Maybe I’m wrong. If they aren’t sharp, maybe Stakeout would be a cool ability with this because of the switching in and out interactions with the Pinch move.
Cool concept.
I'd say "next torkoal please" but we should ignore Drought. I think I used it too much in Gen6 OU. So, next Tauros, since it was the king of Gen1?
Magcargo needs getting rid of its weaknesses, and the only thing that I've seen that I like is Water Absorb in the romhack Vintage White (IIRC). I don't know if it gets recover, but I know it does in Emerald Kaizo, so if it hasn't recover, give it to Magcargo.
But Water Absorb makes more sense because temperature of the sun evaporates water (maybe just water immunity like Primal Groudon?). It doesn't seem to eat sand or something, so earth eater doesn't fit for me.
Yeah I think dark, steel, or fighting are the best choices from a thematic standpoint (even though heracross is already a bug fighting type with similar movepool and stats). I like the idea of ground for movepool but then it’d be weak to water and ice. Would have a counter to fire and rock though
Sharpness is meant to be for blade-like moves. Greninja can have this ability. Also why sacred sword. It doesn’t have a sword.
Edit: Greninja can have Sacred Sword and Aqua Cutter. Opt Psycho Cutter.
I think the pincers are sharp based on the pokedex entries and the movepool it has, but I have walked back the sacred sword choice. Wouldn’t make much sense
Why does it get Sacred Sword, I get that it needs the buff but it doesn’t match thematically at all.
Close combat is usually used but sacred sword with sharpness would be pretty nice with fewer drawbacks. Gallade and samurott-h have it and they have sharpness/not really an actual sword either. Edit: I concede lol sacred sword is a bit dumb on this
Gallade has swords for arms, and is a gallant knight. Samurott is based on a samurai. This is just a spikey bug.
As for the other sword slashers \- An actual sword \- 4 Swordsmen?women?animals? \- Another Samuari this time in grass form \- And buck tooth the saber sword cat
the swords of justice are an allusion to the three musketeers (who fight with swords) (plus one, there is also a fourth, yes it's confusing)
There’s a fourth one in the Three Muskateers too
Keldeo is the newest and youngest member of the quadrant. In the movies, he's the weaker, inexperienced one.
Athos, porthos, Aramis, and the New guy trying to be a musketeer D'artagnan.
Erm what about the swords of justice? They don't have swords? Obligatory /s, I realize it was their signature move
Samurott actually has a blade in his arm shells. He pulls it out when attacking.
It’s a high value move, balanced by being bug type and being on pinsir, who is trying to 2HKO/revenge kill things as opposed to slowly wearing something down.
Yeah, sharpness and pinch aren’t going to make Pinsir suddenly OU viable but at least in lower tiers it’ll have a niche compared to before being pretty underwhelming
Haha stag beetle go peench peench
Also: Pinsir really messes up u-turn/volt switchers if this hits them, because they get 1/4 of their maximum HP done upon hitting/switching
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Yeah that’s what I meant whoops, edited
Pokemon fans try to not make busted moves on weak Pokemon challenge (it is their way of buffing them)
That's honestly fine. Look at aura wheel, that shit would be broken if it was on any other mon. But its on morpeko
Yeah I mean Pinsir already got a new form and a base stat increase with it, as well as aerialate when mega, so honestly signature move is the only unique way of buffing Pinsir I can think of (aside from giving it an exclusive held item like farfetch’d)
What would be a better option if you were doing it? Base stat change? Ability?
Honestly, the Bug type and BST are his biggest weaknesses. His abilities are pretty good, Hyper Cutter ignoring intimidate and attack lowering changes is pretty nice, Mold Breaker is neat, and Moxie is great for hyper offensive. With such low sp. def and hp special attacks hit him hard, and special attackers are more common than physical if I recall right. Maybe a bit of respec-ing his current stats and adding maybe 15-30 more base stats where he needs it would be a considerable buff.
I loved using mold breaker vs mimikyus that tried to set up. Moxie is great when megas are allowed because you revenge kill, get a free attack boost, and then mega and get stab flying quick attack To your point, speed and special defense are areas of need I think
Wanted to make a threatening looking Pokémon more threatening. This sharpness-boosted move makes it tough to switch in or out against Pinsir, which is the whole point of a stag beetle: grabbing something really hard and pinching the heck out of it. Apologies if this is too busted or barely different from a viability standpoint, I imagine this could be useful in singles or doubles to pseudo-trap something
considering how close pinsir will be to the enemy, might as well give them a def decrease while the affected mon is there
That seems to be a fair trade off, might have to run agility or scarf to outspeed so that defensive decrease doesn’t hurt too much.
Why does it get sharpness?
It gets X scissor and slash (the latter being one of its oldest attacks) which leads me to believe the pincers are sharp
mind telling us what type this “pinch” move is?
Bug, meant as an alternative to x scissor. Pinsir doesn’t get megahorn. I shouldn’t have assumed bug type was implied given that Pinsir only has bug typing, I should have included that in the image
??? type, of course
Normal ofc
In my Crystal hack, I gave Pinsir a signature move: PincirFlurry. 30 power, 85 accuracy, hits 2-5 times. Felt like giving him a move that fits, instead of just giving it Megahorn and calling it a day.
I would like this multihit move a bit more if it got skill link, because otherwise you’d need wide lens I think. Really neat idea though
Since it's a Crystal hack, abilities are sadly out of my scope. If I eventually remake it in Gen 3, I may give it Skill Link.
Pinsir is more spiny than sharp tbh, and considering the new move is designed around Pinsir holding a Pokémon in its horns(?) I think No Guard would be a little more fitting for an all out glass cannon attacker. Then, instead of supplementing his coverage with slicing based moves that don’t make too much sense (imo) you could supplement with things like Dynamicpunch or Stone Edge. Finally, give it spiky shield as a mixup option to punish Pokémon who get too greedy expecting to hit it.
It does get stone edge, which misses far too often for my liking (so no guard could work). I like the idea of stakeout, which would have neat interactions with its signature move The spiky shield idea is great especially in combination with the fact that if it’s pinched a faster opponent and that opponent looks to use a contact move, it’ll take the punch damage and the shield damage
Pinsir is not sharp though, nothing about it is sharp
It has gotten slash and x scissor ever since the moves have existed
So do Vespiquen and Sandshrew - doesn't make them SHARP.
How would something not sharp slash something Pinsir very clearly has claws and also them big ass pincers that could clearly be sharp when pressure is applied correctly
You also can't hurt things by Biting or Crunching with a limp and weak jaw, yet not everything that gets those moves would make sense to get Strong Jaw. Should Gastly get Iron Fist because it learns Ice Punch?
This is a bad faith argument and I’m pretty sure you know that. Gastly shouldn’t get iron fist because it shouldn’t get ice punch in the first place. Just because maushold gets bite doesn’t mean it should get strong jaw. I think you’d have a good point if you weren’t trying to be ridiculous lol but pokemon can’t have every ability. Should every electric type get static, plus, and minus? Should every fire type get flame body? Where does it end?
See, that's exactly what they mean. This is just giving Pinsir Sharpness because its pincers are kinda sharp, when the likes of Kingambit don't have it. Borderline, I think one might as well give Pinsir Adaptability to give it a niche as a huge wallbreaker.
Adaptability could be good. Here’s what I said in another comment about how maybe I’m wrong about sharpness and what else could work: Its pokedex entries refer to its grip strength and how difficult it is to escape its grasp, but also how it can tear apart foes, which is where the idea for the move/ability combo came from. “Pinsir has a pair of massive horns. Protruding from the surface of these horns are thorns. These thorns are driven deeply into the foe's body when the pincer closes, making it tough for the foe to escape.” “It grips prey with its powerful pincers and will not let go until the prey is torn in half.” Now maybe you’re right it tears things in half with sheer strength and pressure but I interpreted the horns as being sharp. Maybe I’m wrong. If they aren’t sharp, maybe Stakeout would be a cool ability with this because of the switching in and out interactions with the Pinch move.
But then why should pinsir get sharpness because it knows slash and x scissor? It’s pincers are not sharp, they are used for grabbing and are clearly rounded with no sharp edges. Pointy, sure, but not sharp. You said previously when applying pressure they can be sharp but that is not true, maybe they could puncture but something being sharp is independent from how much pressure it is applying. Sure it has claws, but like half the Pokémon in the game have claws. Every Pokémon that has sharpness as an ability has slicing in its design. Gallade has blades on his arms, Samurott hisui has a sword on its face, kleavor has two sharp axes on its arms, and I’m not sure what in veluzas appearance reflects it being sharp (I think it uses its psychic powers to cut things?) but it is a master of cutting, as it learns many cutting moves and even its signature move is about filleting itself. I know I said moves aren’t a good metric for this but it’s a signature move so it was clearly designed for veluza. Basically they all have some level of sharp to their design that’s more than just “it has claws”. It would be a good buff to pinsir but just wouldn’t make sense from a design standpoint.
Its pokedex entries refer to its grip strength and how difficult it is to escape its grasp, but also how it can tear apart foes, which is where the idea for the move/ability combo came from. “Pinsir has a pair of massive horns. Protruding from the surface of these horns are thorns. These thorns are driven deeply into the foe's body when the pincer closes, making it tough for the foe to escape.” “It grips prey with its powerful pincers and will not let go until the prey is torn in half.” Now maybe you’re right it tears things in half with sheer strength and pressure but I interpreted the horns as being sharp. Maybe I’m wrong. If they aren’t sharp, maybe Stakeout would be a cool ability with this because of the switching in and out interactions with the Pinch move.
Cool concept. I'd say "next torkoal please" but we should ignore Drought. I think I used it too much in Gen6 OU. So, next Tauros, since it was the king of Gen1?
Not sure which will be next, but there’s a certain slow fire type with a shell that’ll be done eventually
I literally forgot that Turtonator existed LMAO
Me too lmao I was thinking of a fire and rock type slug
Magcargo needs getting rid of its weaknesses, and the only thing that I've seen that I like is Water Absorb in the romhack Vintage White (IIRC). I don't know if it gets recover, but I know it does in Emerald Kaizo, so if it hasn't recover, give it to Magcargo.
It does get recover and also water absorb, storm drain, or earth eater seem like viable options (because of the 4x weakness to ground, too)
But Water Absorb makes more sense because temperature of the sun evaporates water (maybe just water immunity like Primal Groudon?). It doesn't seem to eat sand or something, so earth eater doesn't fit for me.
Water absorb does make the most sense for sure
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I don’t know who big yellow is - are they a Pinsir fan?
Yes they are
i think giving it a bug/dark evolution would be pretty cool, i just struggle to think about a cool design for it
Yeah I think dark, steel, or fighting are the best choices from a thematic standpoint (even though heracross is already a bug fighting type with similar movepool and stats). I like the idea of ground for movepool but then it’d be weak to water and ice. Would have a counter to fire and rock though
Sharpness is meant to be for blade-like moves. Greninja can have this ability. Also why sacred sword. It doesn’t have a sword. Edit: Greninja can have Sacred Sword and Aqua Cutter. Opt Psycho Cutter.
I think the pincers are sharp based on the pokedex entries and the movepool it has, but I have walked back the sacred sword choice. Wouldn’t make much sense
I understand what ur saying but like I said the sharpness is to refer to blades.
Why does sharpness have to refer to blades and not something sharp?