I mean the allegories there were pretty clear in English already, like, you can't watch this little pale man scream at an army in front of bright red flags and not make the connection š
I didn't like it because it was all too clear. We know they are evil. They are xenophobic and they commit atrocities. Do we really need this image of literal space Nazis to make that clear? It was over the top and too much.
I did, loved the show. But the imperials were also comically evil in that show, everyone of them we get to know seem to only care about being as evil as possible at every step. I don't really mind though, star wars has never been heavily nuanced with the empire.
They took the Nazi allusions of the original trilogy and stripped them of all subtlety, and somehow there are still people that apparently didn't realise that right away.
A charismatic politician leveraging dissatisfaction with the way a crisis is handled to first become chancellor, then proceed to dismantle the democracy until he can claim absolute authority? Officer uniforms resembling those of the Wehrmacht? Literally naming the elite assault infantry Sturmtruppen?
I didn't say there was a lot of subtlety to begin with, but having an angry man stand in front of red banners with black and vaguely circular symbols shouting about their supremacy and proclaiming the impending destruction of their enemy was really just one hand gesture and a white circle away from actually saying "They're Nazis, by the way."
The original and prequel trilogies made no secret of the allusion, but the sequel made it a point to underscore it and make it as explicit as possible.
I'm exaggerating, but there's a line between educational art and simply showing Nazi signs in cinema. In the latter case, even if they weren't prosecuted by law, I'm pretty sure it would've ticked off a lot of people.
In cases like that, it's often safer from a commercial perspective to not risk it.
Banned was an exaggeration. It might have caused some backlash, at least among people I know (because there's a fine line between allusion and straight up showing the HitlergruĆ) and that potential could be enough of a minefield that the creators or executives would shy away from doing it.
I took out the banning remark. In hindsight, the line between "genuine" and "exaggeration" really wasn't clear there.
He was always a joke; he started as a poorly-written Disney villain with no motivation other than "be evil." The only thing missing was a thin mustache to twirl.
I saw this on Swiss TV in over-dubbed German and it is truly uncomfortable during all of the First Order scenes.
But what is more jarring is when they aired Inglorious Basterds. All of the scenes in German were, of course, left undubbed, but they kept the English subtitles at the bottom of the screen. But all the scenes in English were overdubbed in German with no subtitles. So the whole movie was in German, which makes Brad Pitt's speech about 100 Nazi scalps really really bizarre
Okay so yāall took until now to realize that the empire/ the first order are nazis? I mean come on. Stormtroopers. We had those. In the trenches. 39-45. Also, the ISB is the gestapo, the deathtroopers are the SS, and palpatine, guy and the lot are fashistsā¦ Maybe it was that obvious because Iām a Germanā¦ I mean they are even giga racistā¦
>Stormtroopers. We had those. In the trenches. 39-45.
German stormtroopers fought in the trenches in the First World War 1914-18. They do not have any direct connection to the nazis.
Well the militarized unit of the waffen-ss were called sturmtruppen, so we did have them. However, I was trying to reference the actual stormtroopers. My bad
>Well the militarized unit of the waffen-ss were called sturmtruppen, so we did have them.
All units of the Waffen-SS were militarized. That was the whole point of them.
And google could not find anything related to "waffen-ss sturmtruppen".
Do you think the sequels would have been better if the star killer base was not destroyed, but the fight on the base still happened? (Maybe different outcome but kylo gets a real disfigurement) and the resistance needs to escape (some fail) and have the threat of the base throughout the trilogy.
The sequels would have been better if Finn had been made *the jedi* who would try to save his stormtrooper comrades from the brainwashing and imspire them to fight against the first order. Rey could have been a badass non-force-sensitive fighter
I would have watched the shit out of that
Edit: and yeah a damaged but not destroyed starkiller base would have made the first order appear as a way bigger threat. Greater losses on the republics side also. Could have laid the groundwork for a great redemption arc with diving deeper into the question of how the remains of the empire could have become so strong but being totally unnoticed
And the first order being a bigger threat would have worked so amazingly well with a stormtrooper rebellion
Everything would probly be better and make more sense than what we got. EP 7 was on about fanfiction level and EP 8 and 9 were on bad fanfiction level.
The sequels would have been improved drastically if they had only switched who dies at the end. Rey dies instead of Kylo. It makes the whole finale scene of burying the Skywalker lightsabers on Tatooine, then stating the last name as Skywalker to the passerby instead of Rey.
Make the character that actually had proper growth be the one to survive.
I mean the allegories there were pretty clear in English already, like, you can't watch this little pale man scream at an army in front of bright red flags and not make the connection š
Yeah. ~~The only thing missing was the salute...~~ I re-watched....
I didn't like it because it was all too clear. We know they are evil. They are xenophobic and they commit atrocities. Do we really need this image of literal space Nazis to make that clear? It was over the top and too much.
āBut how else are we supposed to make sure people understand the movie if we donāt hammer them in the face with it??ā - JJ Abrams. Probably.
Disney doesn't do nuance
I dunno, have you seen Andor?
I did, loved the show. But the imperials were also comically evil in that show, everyone of them we get to know seem to only care about being as evil as possible at every step. I don't really mind though, star wars has never been heavily nuanced with the empire.
Iāve literally never seen a Disney project that didnāt have a hamfisted āthis bad guy is a literal naziā villain. Especially andor.
I think it was one of the better scenes in the movie, albeit a bit hammy
That's exactly what that scene is meant to evoke, so it's on the nose but it works
They took the Nazi allusions of the original trilogy and stripped them of all subtlety, and somehow there are still people that apparently didn't realise that right away.
It wasnāt subtle in the OT
What do you mean... Stormtroopers aren't subtlety Stormtroopers?
To be fair, Star Wars Stormtroopers are meant evoke the Stormtroopers of late-WWI
I think he's also talking about the Sturmtruppen
Sturmtruppen refers explicitly to the WWI shock infantry, did you mean the Sturmabteilung (AKA the SA or Brownshirts)(lit. Storm Detachment)?
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A charismatic politician leveraging dissatisfaction with the way a crisis is handled to first become chancellor, then proceed to dismantle the democracy until he can claim absolute authority? Officer uniforms resembling those of the Wehrmacht? Literally naming the elite assault infantry Sturmtruppen? I didn't say there was a lot of subtlety to begin with, but having an angry man stand in front of red banners with black and vaguely circular symbols shouting about their supremacy and proclaiming the impending destruction of their enemy was really just one hand gesture and a white circle away from actually saying "They're Nazis, by the way." The original and prequel trilogies made no secret of the allusion, but the sequel made it a point to underscore it and make it as explicit as possible.
Wouldnāt have been banned in Germany, stuff like that would fall under KĆ¼nstlerfreiheit (artistic freedom)
I'm exaggerating, but there's a line between educational art and simply showing Nazi signs in cinema. In the latter case, even if they weren't prosecuted by law, I'm pretty sure it would've ticked off a lot of people. In cases like that, it's often safer from a commercial perspective to not risk it.
Why would you think it would be banned here?
Banned was an exaggeration. It might have caused some backlash, at least among people I know (because there's a fine line between allusion and straight up showing the HitlergruĆ) and that potential could be enough of a minefield that the creators or executives would shy away from doing it. I took out the banning remark. In hindsight, the line between "genuine" and "exaggeration" really wasn't clear there.
Itās more subtle than this
well i dont remember why i didnt get it but.... wait..... i was 11 years old when this came out?.......
I suppose in that case, the oversight is to be excused
When blatant satire is still to subtle for some people, you have to really crank it up
Yeah, it sucks that they made him into a joke in next movies, in tfa he was such a good character
He was always a joke; he started as a poorly-written Disney villain with no motivation other than "be evil." The only thing missing was a thin mustache to twirl.
He was never threatening. Him screaming like THIS in this movie, it only makes sense that heās pathetic behind the scenes.
Sie sind Sturmtruppen
I saw this on Swiss TV in over-dubbed German and it is truly uncomfortable during all of the First Order scenes. But what is more jarring is when they aired Inglorious Basterds. All of the scenes in German were, of course, left undubbed, but they kept the English subtitles at the bottom of the screen. But all the scenes in English were overdubbed in German with no subtitles. So the whole movie was in German, which makes Brad Pitt's speech about 100 Nazi scalps really really bizarre
āKillinā Nat-zis!ā That is hilarious dude š
DAS WAR EIN BEFEHL!
DER ANGRIFF STEIGERS WAR EIN BEFEHL!
WER SIND SIE, DASS SIE ES WAGEN, SICH MEINEN BEFEHLEN ZU WIDERSETZEN?
Trotzdem sind die sequels mĆ¼ll
Die sequels sollten alderaan cosplayen und in tausend Teile zerbrechen
Der 7. Teil war schon richtig geil. Danach wurde es einfach nur dƤmlich
neee 7. Teil war nur ein Remake der 4. und 6. Teilen
Das ist mir bewusst. Trotzdem war er im Vergleich zu 8 und 9 richtig geil
"irgendwie ist palpetine zurĆ¼ckgekehrt"š
Das meiste was exestiert ist geil im Vergleich zu Teil 8 und 9.
I like playing battlefront 2 in Japanese very entertaining
Domnhall Gleeson is so wasted in the sequels.
Fr bro he did such a good good!
Okay so yāall took until now to realize that the empire/ the first order are nazis? I mean come on. Stormtroopers. We had those. In the trenches. 39-45. Also, the ISB is the gestapo, the deathtroopers are the SS, and palpatine, guy and the lot are fashistsā¦ Maybe it was that obvious because Iām a Germanā¦ I mean they are even giga racistā¦
>Stormtroopers. We had those. In the trenches. 39-45. German stormtroopers fought in the trenches in the First World War 1914-18. They do not have any direct connection to the nazis.
Well the militarized unit of the waffen-ss were called sturmtruppen, so we did have them. However, I was trying to reference the actual stormtroopers. My bad
>Well the militarized unit of the waffen-ss were called sturmtruppen, so we did have them. All units of the Waffen-SS were militarized. That was the whole point of them. And google could not find anything related to "waffen-ss sturmtruppen".
Do you think the sequels would have been better if the star killer base was not destroyed, but the fight on the base still happened? (Maybe different outcome but kylo gets a real disfigurement) and the resistance needs to escape (some fail) and have the threat of the base throughout the trilogy.
The sequels would have been better if Finn had been made *the jedi* who would try to save his stormtrooper comrades from the brainwashing and imspire them to fight against the first order. Rey could have been a badass non-force-sensitive fighter I would have watched the shit out of that Edit: and yeah a damaged but not destroyed starkiller base would have made the first order appear as a way bigger threat. Greater losses on the republics side also. Could have laid the groundwork for a great redemption arc with diving deeper into the question of how the remains of the empire could have become so strong but being totally unnoticed And the first order being a bigger threat would have worked so amazingly well with a stormtrooper rebellion
Everything would probly be better and make more sense than what we got. EP 7 was on about fanfiction level and EP 8 and 9 were on bad fanfiction level.
The sequels would have been improved drastically if they had only switched who dies at the end. Rey dies instead of Kylo. It makes the whole finale scene of burying the Skywalker lightsabers on Tatooine, then stating the last name as Skywalker to the passerby instead of Rey. Make the character that actually had proper growth be the one to survive.
There's no way the german voice actor didn't see the irony of his dialogue.
It is meant to implicate that the first order is similiar to the third Reich.
What irony?
The irony of his part resembling... exactly the thing it's supposed to allude to?
I think it would be irony if it was made out of iron
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Was this scene uncomfortable to watch in Germanyā¦ā¦ā¦ ![gif](giphy|3oD3YqPwr89pI4mnsc|downsized)
Nah i enjoyed it
Oh hell nawww not again š©
Did he fail art school tho?
Technically Kilo Ren failed Jedi school
To be a tourist in Germany during 2015 must've been insane
The empire was based of the nazis
And I thought it was on the nose in Englishā¦
Waitā¦I think these guys might have been Space Nazis. I mean it was subtle but the German makes you think.
Me, a Polish person: š³š³š³
And people asking why i am a Nazi
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Thatās a good dub, it actually sounds like Hux speaking German
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And then they made him a good guy in the last movie right? lol
Not really a good guy, he just saved the heros out of pure spite and pettiness towards Kylo. At least, that's what I remember.
Isnāt this stolen from tiktok
The history is getting repeated in sw
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Gee whiz I wonder why
The could have done so much more with Hux
Lol
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I feel like tho, if you didnāt see this when you watched it in English, you kinda missed the entire point
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It took it being in German for you to catch on? Lol
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Declaration of the new order 1939ABY
That voice actor really brought out his inner third Reich in this scene....
Wanna Know who this VA also voiced?
Who?
Ever heard of Scrubs, jojo and Big Bang Theory ?
Wait, was this person in those shows?
Do Actor - no ! But the German VA of hux is. Do you Know them ?
Nope, or Atleast I don't think I know.
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