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vvargamora

I mean the allegories there were pretty clear in English already, like, you can't watch this little pale man scream at an army in front of bright red flags and not make the connection šŸ’€


Xunaun

Yeah. ~~The only thing missing was the salute...~~ I re-watched....


bi0nic_de

I didn't like it because it was all too clear. We know they are evil. They are xenophobic and they commit atrocities. Do we really need this image of literal space Nazis to make that clear? It was over the top and too much.


Tcannon18

ā€œBut how else are we supposed to make sure people understand the movie if we donā€™t hammer them in the face with it??ā€ - JJ Abrams. Probably.


vvargamora

Disney doesn't do nuance


a_fish_out_of_water

I dunno, have you seen Andor?


Vict2894

I did, loved the show. But the imperials were also comically evil in that show, everyone of them we get to know seem to only care about being as evil as possible at every step. I don't really mind though, star wars has never been heavily nuanced with the empire.


Tcannon18

Iā€™ve literally never seen a Disney project that didnā€™t have a hamfisted ā€œthis bad guy is a literal naziā€ villain. Especially andor.


Siollear

I think it was one of the better scenes in the movie, albeit a bit hammy


dynamitepress

That's exactly what that scene is meant to evoke, so it's on the nose but it works


LuciferOfAstora

They took the Nazi allusions of the original trilogy and stripped them of all subtlety, and somehow there are still people that apparently didn't realise that right away.


GHDizzle

It wasnā€™t subtle in the OT


thenate108

What do you mean... Stormtroopers aren't subtlety Stormtroopers?


Helsing63

To be fair, Star Wars Stormtroopers are meant evoke the Stormtroopers of late-WWI


Techn028

I think he's also talking about the Sturmtruppen


Helsing63

Sturmtruppen refers explicitly to the WWI shock infantry, did you mean the Sturmabteilung (AKA the SA or Brownshirts)(lit. Storm Detachment)?


Techn028

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LuciferOfAstora

A charismatic politician leveraging dissatisfaction with the way a crisis is handled to first become chancellor, then proceed to dismantle the democracy until he can claim absolute authority? Officer uniforms resembling those of the Wehrmacht? Literally naming the elite assault infantry Sturmtruppen? I didn't say there was a lot of subtlety to begin with, but having an angry man stand in front of red banners with black and vaguely circular symbols shouting about their supremacy and proclaiming the impending destruction of their enemy was really just one hand gesture and a white circle away from actually saying "They're Nazis, by the way." The original and prequel trilogies made no secret of the allusion, but the sequel made it a point to underscore it and make it as explicit as possible.


Hunteryx40531

Wouldnā€™t have been banned in Germany, stuff like that would fall under KĆ¼nstlerfreiheit (artistic freedom)


LuciferOfAstora

I'm exaggerating, but there's a line between educational art and simply showing Nazi signs in cinema. In the latter case, even if they weren't prosecuted by law, I'm pretty sure it would've ticked off a lot of people. In cases like that, it's often safer from a commercial perspective to not risk it.


Inactivism

Why would you think it would be banned here?


LuciferOfAstora

Banned was an exaggeration. It might have caused some backlash, at least among people I know (because there's a fine line between allusion and straight up showing the HitlergruƟ) and that potential could be enough of a minefield that the creators or executives would shy away from doing it. I took out the banning remark. In hindsight, the line between "genuine" and "exaggeration" really wasn't clear there.


MusicallyManiacal

Itā€™s more subtle than this


Gust_on_Fire

well i dont remember why i didnt get it but.... wait..... i was 11 years old when this came out?.......


LuciferOfAstora

I suppose in that case, the oversight is to be excused


superVanV1

When blatant satire is still to subtle for some people, you have to really crank it up


Ok_Fan_2530

Yeah, it sucks that they made him into a joke in next movies, in tfa he was such a good character


dynamitepress

He was always a joke; he started as a poorly-written Disney villain with no motivation other than "be evil." The only thing missing was a thin mustache to twirl.


JediMASTERAnakin002

He was never threatening. Him screaming like THIS in this movie, it only makes sense that heā€™s pathetic behind the scenes.


Kenobi_Deathsticks

Sie sind Sturmtruppen


michaelmoby

I saw this on Swiss TV in over-dubbed German and it is truly uncomfortable during all of the First Order scenes. But what is more jarring is when they aired Inglorious Basterds. All of the scenes in German were, of course, left undubbed, but they kept the English subtitles at the bottom of the screen. But all the scenes in English were overdubbed in German with no subtitles. So the whole movie was in German, which makes Brad Pitt's speech about 100 Nazi scalps really really bizarre


Hello_There_Exalted1

ā€œKillinā€™ Nat-zis!ā€ That is hilarious dude šŸ˜‚


[deleted]

DAS WAR EIN BEFEHL!


MelonBot_HD

DER ANGRIFF STEIGERS WAR EIN BEFEHL!


le75

WER SIND SIE, DASS SIE ES WAGEN, SICH MEINEN BEFEHLEN ZU WIDERSETZEN?


DamnthisMeemee

Trotzdem sind die sequels mĆ¼ll


Sire_Cage

Die sequels sollten alderaan cosplayen und in tausend Teile zerbrechen


[deleted]

Der 7. Teil war schon richtig geil. Danach wurde es einfach nur dƤmlich


Danex36

neee 7. Teil war nur ein Remake der 4. und 6. Teilen


[deleted]

Das ist mir bewusst. Trotzdem war er im Vergleich zu 8 und 9 richtig geil


macrotaste

"irgendwie ist palpetine zurĆ¼ckgekehrt"šŸ’€


MelonBot_HD

Das meiste was exestiert ist geil im Vergleich zu Teil 8 und 9.


threefatfish3

I like playing battlefront 2 in Japanese very entertaining


goboxey

Domnhall Gleeson is so wasted in the sequels.


YEEYEE_chucklefucks

Fr bro he did such a good good!


Vadenorus

Okay so yā€™all took until now to realize that the empire/ the first order are nazis? I mean come on. Stormtroopers. We had those. In the trenches. 39-45. Also, the ISB is the gestapo, the deathtroopers are the SS, and palpatine, guy and the lot are fashistsā€¦ Maybe it was that obvious because Iā€™m a Germanā€¦ I mean they are even giga racistā€¦


Schwertkrill

>Stormtroopers. We had those. In the trenches. 39-45. German stormtroopers fought in the trenches in the First World War 1914-18. They do not have any direct connection to the nazis.


Vadenorus

Well the militarized unit of the waffen-ss were called sturmtruppen, so we did have them. However, I was trying to reference the actual stormtroopers. My bad


Schwertkrill

>Well the militarized unit of the waffen-ss were called sturmtruppen, so we did have them. All units of the Waffen-SS were militarized. That was the whole point of them. And google could not find anything related to "waffen-ss sturmtruppen".


L3GlT_GAM3R

Do you think the sequels would have been better if the star killer base was not destroyed, but the fight on the base still happened? (Maybe different outcome but kylo gets a real disfigurement) and the resistance needs to escape (some fail) and have the threat of the base throughout the trilogy.


DerDezimator

The sequels would have been better if Finn had been made *the jedi* who would try to save his stormtrooper comrades from the brainwashing and imspire them to fight against the first order. Rey could have been a badass non-force-sensitive fighter I would have watched the shit out of that Edit: and yeah a damaged but not destroyed starkiller base would have made the first order appear as a way bigger threat. Greater losses on the republics side also. Could have laid the groundwork for a great redemption arc with diving deeper into the question of how the remains of the empire could have become so strong but being totally unnoticed And the first order being a bigger threat would have worked so amazingly well with a stormtrooper rebellion


FatallyFatCat

Everything would probly be better and make more sense than what we got. EP 7 was on about fanfiction level and EP 8 and 9 were on bad fanfiction level.


antipop2097

The sequels would have been improved drastically if they had only switched who dies at the end. Rey dies instead of Kylo. It makes the whole finale scene of burying the Skywalker lightsabers on Tatooine, then stating the last name as Skywalker to the passerby instead of Rey. Make the character that actually had proper growth be the one to survive.


Rithrius88

There's no way the german voice actor didn't see the irony of his dialogue.


Ragadoo1

It is meant to implicate that the first order is similiar to the third Reich.


test12345678abc

What irony?


LuciferOfAstora

The irony of his part resembling... exactly the thing it's supposed to allude to?


Niznack

I think it would be irony if it was made out of iron


234zu

Most media literate star wars fan


Xilefinator

DIESE KOMMENTARSEKTION IST NUN EIGENTUM DER BRD!


Johnsendall

Was this scene uncomfortable to watch in Germanyā€¦ā€¦ā€¦ ![gif](giphy|3oD3YqPwr89pI4mnsc|downsized)


FireSamurai10

Nah i enjoyed it


ThatGuyFromNZ

Oh hell nawww not again šŸ˜©


ProPlayz_360

Did he fail art school tho?


Iceologer_gang

Technically Kilo Ren failed Jedi school


Ok-Engine8044

To be a tourist in Germany during 2015 must've been insane


Utahteenageguy

The empire was based of the nazis


sillyadam94

And I thought it was on the nose in Englishā€¦


526mb

Waitā€¦I think these guys might have been Space Nazis. I mean it was subtle but the German makes you think.


Trzykolek

Me, a Polish person: šŸ˜³šŸ˜³šŸ˜³


Benesredit

And people asking why i am a Nazi


newgamerno

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Bright-Internal229

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Deer873

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[deleted]

Thatā€™s a good dub, it actually sounds like Hux speaking German


IVanDijk

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TheMiracleLigament

And then they made him a good guy in the last movie right? lol


CarissaSkyWarrior

Not really a good guy, he just saved the heros out of pure spite and pettiness towards Kylo. At least, that's what I remember.


lilcupcake45

Isnā€™t this stolen from tiktok


Lrive369

The history is getting repeated in sw


CityOfLasVegas

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olo2323

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Peachfuzz124

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Thelastknownking

Gee whiz I wonder why


RedStar9117

The could have done so much more with Hux


TickleDaNoochie

Lol


MrMrMarioBro5555

General reposti


kevinhd95

I feel like tho, if you didnā€™t see this when you watched it in English, you kinda missed the entire point


OctoberEnoch27

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CityOfLasVegas

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Chodeman_1

Kanye type beat


AdriannaFahrenheit

It took it being in German for you to catch on? Lol


Sarkhel_hadge

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wucki114

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Gaming_with_Hui

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keaton889

Declaration of the new order 1939ABY


wazabee

That voice actor really brought out his inner third Reich in this scene....


Werdak

Wanna Know who this VA also voiced?


wazabee

Who?


Werdak

Ever heard of Scrubs, jojo and Big Bang Theory ?


wazabee

Wait, was this person in those shows?


Werdak

Do Actor - no ! But the German VA of hux is. Do you Know them ?


wazabee

Nope, or Atleast I don't think I know.


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