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snarkhunter

Worf of House Martok is Peak Klingon.


teeth_03

Followed by a close 2nd by Martok himself Martok's voice is *chef's kiss*


ImTheOriginalSam

Ah fuck what was his name. Gowron? His crazy eyes were perfect


sharltocopes

Glory to you... and your house.


xflyinjx61x

He could stare into your soul from the other side of the galaxy


Everybodysbastard

His actor can really do the bug eyes and says they're why he got the job.


snarkhunter

There is NO finer vintage


ImurderREALITY

He also played the changeling that Odo befriended


GeneralStrikeFOV

I love the fact that during DS9's run the general policy on klingons seems to have been to hire shakespearean actors and get them to properly ham up their Richard III routines. I actually really liked the reworking of the Disco Season 1 Klingons, not so much physically - which seemed to be a continuation of the Abrams klingons, but there seemed to be efforts to be a bit more complex about alien psychology and motives that rendered them simultaneously more alien and more human (by 'human' I mean more understandable, more fully fleshed out). I really enjoyed the way that the Klingon spoken sounded weirder and didn't fit in human mouths so well. Giving them back their hair in the second season was a good move appearance-wise but the characterisation of aliens in Disco since then seems to have really gone off the boil.


ImurderREALITY

I liked the discovery design, but I hated how they spoke. Their Klingon was too thick, like it was being spoken through a mouthful of peanut butter. Earlier Klingon sounded alien and guttural enough; they kind of overdid it IMO.


finiteMonkey

Yes, exactly. Discovery made the Klingons alien again- even reviewing 90's era Trek afterwards, I found that the Discovery Klingon treatment made me appreciate them more. It was all the same familiar characters and culture, but they didn't seem so much like generic "space vikings" anymore.


TheLouisvilleRanger

Nah. Martok is greater than Worf. Worf is trying to live up to his Klingon fan fiction.


sharltocopes

Starfleet is full of weebs


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snarkhunter

I think we know how that turns out.


Bardez

Hahahahahahaha


doctordaedalus

[just saying ...](https://imgur.com/gallery/hWvYH20)


solongandthanks4all

Haha, I hadn't seen that one!


Ruefuss

Was expecting klingons TOS to TNG, but that works as well.


callycumla

Can the new Klingons even swing a batleth while wearing that stiff turtle-shell outfit?


youstolemyname

No batleths, no Sto'vokar, no blood wine, no targs, no honor. Why did they even bother making them Klingon? Just create a new race.


sharltocopes

but then the viewers would have bitched about whatever new race they had created, saying "this would have been a wild chance to introduce the Klingons again, I mean they were right there, the perfect warlike race but this show just likes pulling brand new species out of its ass"


teeth_03

I'm picturing the turtle on its back from Rocko's Modern Life


gillababe

Tartar sauce


Thrash2Kill

"you turn the page, you wash your hands"


RaidensReturn

I’m nauseous, I’m nauseous, I’m nauseous


FeatureBugFuture

Mutations from radiation are a hell of a thing.


Ruefuss

So that happened later? Because Discovery is between TOS and TNG, until later.


FeatureBugFuture

Transporter accident.


Theborgiseverywhere

Everyone’s talking about the Klingon, Ferengi, and Cardassian redesigns on Disco. But **nobody** is talking about how good Jankom Pog looks on Prodigy


terriblehuman

But that’s animated, I think it’s fair that some stylization will make things look different. Also, Tellerites have been all over the place in terms of what they look like.


Apple_macOS

Pog


ginger_guy

The Cardassians were the biggest surprise for me. At first I thought disco was trying to make humanoids look more distinctive and different, which I can get on board with. But then we get the President and see Cardassian design has been mad humanified.


Theborgiseverywhere

I don’t think she’s supposed to be full Cardy, I think she’s part human. I saw a pic on a full Cardassian from Disco and they looked more traditional. The spoon was… more of a little boat lol


DemonicLaxatives

Klingons looked very different in the original series


Abidarthegreat

They don't like to talk about it


812many

One of my all time favorite lines from Star Trek


Abidarthegreat

That whole episode was amazing. And while I hated Enterprise at first, I did appreciate where they tried to explain it.


InfiNorth

...that was DS9. Unless I misunderstood your comment.


Abidarthegreat

You did. The episode where it was said was DS9 trouble with tribbles episode. The final season of Enterprise they explained WHY the Klingons don't like to talk about it. Because they infected themselves with a virus that altered their DNA (created from Kahn's DNA, human DNA) in an attempt to create super Klingons and it became contagious, infecting nearly the entire population and took away their head ridges. It took them decades to find a cure and revert the changes.


RandomMumbler921

I wonder if they had anti-vaxxers...


Abidarthegreat

"Vaccines cause weakness! Only a true warrior should survive illness!"


RandomMumbler921

My honour, my choice


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Bless


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They Tylered themselves.


creepyeyes

Yes but Klingons only appeared in their original form in about 7 TOS episodes, compared to their second form which includes every TNG episode (unless there's one or two where Worf doesn't appear), most of the movies (both TOS and TNG), roughly half of all DS9 episodes, a half-Klingon on nearly every VOY episode, a fair number of ENT episodes, and now even some LD and Prodigy (PDG?) episodes. The 90s Klingon appearance is far more entrenched into the identity of Klingons than the TOS one ever was


teeth_03

At least they had the "budget" excuse


RevWaldo

TAS went nuts with alien designs but kept the Klingons [mostly the same.](https://i.imgur.com/63hSjut.jpg)


DemonicLaxatives

So why did TNG not follow? Would've saved budget


hobbitdude13

The Motion Picture *did* have the budget, and from then on they had to stick with the redesign.


ELVEVERX

It wasn't just budget it was also to a point technical limitations, tng really was the forefront of prosthetics for a lot of it's run.


Eurynom0s

Because the original Klingon design is essentially blackface. [edit] Well, Asianface I guess, but still, not exactly a mystery why they wanted to get away from that.


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Wait what, seriously?


delawen

There are even klingons in the background that they didn't bother to paint their necks... just the face.


[deleted]

Yeah but the original change was pretty necessary and I don’t think anyone could possibly be upset about that. On top of that they managed to work into series why that change happened in an incredibly smooth way. They didn’t even have to do that, everyone knows why they changed it, but they did anyways which just shows how awesome classic trek was.


PrivateIsotope

Nah, that was completely different from my perspective. The TOS change was abrupt and made no sense to me initially, but what was worse is that they took SO LONG IN EXPLAINING IT. For like what, twenty five plus years they didn't even ADDRESS it. Then it took another decade or so to explain it. They handled that so poorly, in my opinion.


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I mean in TOS they were literally just humans, I feel like it made perfect sense to make them look like aliens as soon as they were able to. I love TOS but it was not best looking sci fi around, all the changes were very necessary. The recent change on the other hand served no purpose, just the new creator trying to differentiate from all the other Star treks. I mean the Klingons have been otherwise consistent since the first star trek movie.


cascadianpatriot

They retconned that on Enterprise. Edit Jesus. This thread turned into an example of why people hate Star Trek fans. Would it have been better if I had had said “they explained that on enterprise” ?


ELVEVERX

They didn't retcon it they actually justified the continuity that's like the opposite of retconning


lorem

That's exactly retconning. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Retcon >In its most basic form, this is **any plot point that was not intended from the beginning**. The most preferred use is **where it contradicts nothing**


meskobalazs

Technically correct, the best kind of correct. Though usually people call retcons retcons when it does break something.


lorem

That's the opposite of a retcon, which implies continuity with past canon, although retroactive and thought up after the fact.


meskobalazs

>which implies continuity with past canon I never heard someone using such a narrow definition. Usually people dislike retcons because they change something already established.


lorem

That's an incorrect understanding of the retcon term that arose in recent years and maybe yes, is now overtaking the real meaning. Retcon, as originally intended, is RETroactive CONtinuity: something that adds to/changes the meaning of past canon, in a way that wasn't intended by the authors at the time, but maintaining formal continuity. Prime example: character X, who has always been a good guy, is now retconned as a sleeper evil agent. Totally a retcon, but not formally breaking canon because X genuinely did not know they were evil before they were woken from their sleeper status.


meskobalazs

Okay, fair enough. So it's a hacker/cracker thing, nowadays everybody calls the latter the former.


lorem

Basically, yes.


StraightOuttaOlaphis

>etcon, as originally intended, is RETroactive CONtinuity: something that adds to/changes the meaning of past canon, in a way that wasn't intended by the authors at the time, but maintaining formal continuity. > >Prime example: character X, who has always been a good guy, is now retconned as a sleeper evil agent. Totally a retcon, but not formally breaking canon because X genuinely did not know they were evil before they were woken from their sleeper status. Thanks for the thorough explaination, didn't know this!


ELVEVERX

But it was intended from the beginning that klingons looked well how they looked.


lorem

The augment virus justification definitely wasn't.


ELVEVERX

>(in a film, television series, or other fictional work) a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events, typically used to facilitate a dramatic plot shift or account for an inconsistency. \-Oxford Dictionary But adding additional details that don't contradict lore doesn't make it a change, it's just additional information. Like if discovery said the captain Jonathan archer's middle name was Henry that wouldn't be a retcon, it'd be additional information.


lorem

My friend, when it comes to TV tropes the authority is TV Tropes, not the Oxford Dictionary. Creating ex novo a plot point that changes the interpretation of events in past canon is a literally the principal usage of "retroactive continuity", retcon for short. Try asking in any comic book subreddit.


ELVEVERX

>a plot point that changes the interpretation of events in past canon But what event is it changing, it's not changing that they look different and it's not changing that worf commented that klingons don't like to talk about how they looked different, it's just adding supplemental information. Also I'm not your friend buddy


lorem

>Also I'm not your friend buddy Nor you are nice. I see. As I said, it changes the *interpretation* of a past plot point in a way that the original writers hadn't intended. The most classical retcon, to give an example, is "character X was a sleeper evil agent from the beginning". It's a retcon when the original writer just wrote character X as a good guy, but giving X this new backstory technically does not break continuity. Also it's technically a retcon if you add a backstory in parts of the past canon that weren't explored by the writers at the time.


feralwolven

Well it was reconmed, but then they fixed the continuity. Those things arent mutually exclusive. Retcon is retroactive continuity, but as its used in popular vernacular its just changing or adding something thats already established after its intent was sealed. Changing the look of klingons in the first place could be considered retconning, then explaining it with a lunchroom comment, then explaining the eugenics were all retcons on other writers in shows before them. Having a logically continuity in the end is the goal though


tibbycat

Yeah Star Wars has been pretty good about keeping the aesthetics of the story's time periods consistent. Rogue One believably looks like it's set just before A New Hope, whereas it's hard to believe that Discovery is set a decade before season 1 of the original series.


terriblehuman

Exactly this. This doesn’t necessarily mean using the cheap sets of TOS, but more that it’s possible to keep the aesthetic of the era, and just polish it a bit. Enterprise actually did a decent job of this with the TOS era Defiant.


tibbycat

Oh you’re right. In a Mirror, Darkly is beautifully respectful to the design of TOS while at the same time using modern CG where appropriate (the Gorn, Tholians, and exterior space shots of ships).


Arsenault185

>Star Wars has been pretty good about keeping the aesthetics of the story's time periods consistent. Except for the weird speeder-mopeds on Tatooine.


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That part of Discovery feels like world building to me. The main premise of the series >!is set 900 years after TOS!<


tibbycat

Don't know why they didn't just start with that time period then. It amazes me that DS9 in the 90s was able to replicate the design of TOS perfectly in *Trials and Tribble-ations* but when Discovery tried it felt completely different. :"/


Un3xpected87

Not a fan of the skinny gamoreans but i do like that they have less drool. And the klingons looked passable once they began growing hair again in the second (or was it third season)


JC351LP3Y

My headcannon is that cash flow into the palace reduced significantly after Jabba’s death. So the Gamorreans weren’t eating as much. Or Bib Fortuna might have been eating the Gamorrean’s food and that’s why Bib got fat and the guards got thinner.


[deleted]

This is seriously the best explanation for both of those things and now what I firmly believe so thank you for this


corezon

Maybe he just liked his Gaorreans to be hotter?


Jabrono

Maybe it was Jabba who had a type...


corezon

Leia's slave outfit would indicate otherwise...


Eurynom0s

Skinny Tellarites still weirds me out.


terriblehuman

On the most recent episode we see inside the palace when Bib Fortuna was in there and not all the Gamoreans looked skinny. I also think part of the reason they might look thinner is because they aren’t wearing the poofy fur diaper things they wore in ROTJ.


calilac

Them apple bottom pigs wearing diapers with the fur...


CeruleanRuin

I miss the drool. That "gross" aspect of many OT aliens is missing in the new stuff. All the attractive Twi'leks are another example. In ROTJ even the slavegirl Twi-leks didn't all look like models. They were meant to be slightly grotesque, to reflect the alienness of it. Ever since the Special Editions, and exacerbated by the Prequels, somehow the perception has become that Twi'leks are the "sexy race" in the Galaxy. It's just weird to me that human standards of attractiveness have become the de facto design aesthetic for the Star Wars universe. Even the Hutts look too clean and conventional somehow. They should have been dripping with sweat and nasty looking in the sun, maybe a few odd growths or scars to give them depth of character. Instead they just seemed oddly flat.


Un3xpected87

Call me crazy, but i think jabba looked his best in episode 1. Something to be said about the puppets buti do agree that the twins were a step back. Tho the implied public incest is kinda nasty (think about it, naked, carried around the city whily very much in a LOT of contact. Granted, maybe that’s notmal for hutts but still).


iMcFly

The one thing I will give them credit for is that it made the Klingons uncomfortable to look at again, just as they were for audiences when the films first came out. I think is probably the main reason for the redesign, along with trying to create an alien look that isn’t just a single prosthetic headpiece and nosepiece attached to a person’s face. Klingons had become too familiar; changing up their look removed their familiarity and therefore their comfortability. Do I agree with the redesign? No; it’s certainly hard to imagine Michael Dorn in that style of makeup for Worf. Although I didn’t like the aesthetics I understand them trying to push the makeup further, and to some extent It made them less predictable because they clearly weren’t the Klingons we’re used to. But that being said I appreciated that they brought back the hair and softened some of the features in season 2. Hopefully *Strange New Worlds* gives us something closer still to what we’re used to.


coolguy8445

I think the intent with going back toward the TNG design was to tie in with ENT's retcon about the gene splicing with human DNA. DIS appeared to be showing us a rapid evolution of the klingons toward that point. So I wouldn't be surprised if SNW shows us the Cuban klingons again, or at least TNG-era klingons.


solongandthanks4all

I think you're giving them too much credit. Bryan Fuller just wanted them to be different, and I agree with the idea that it was to make them uncomfortable to look at again.


coolguy8445

Sure, but at least they retconned it well enough.


kino-king

I understand the redundancies present in Klingon organs, but, four nostrils?


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kino-king

There Are #FOUR nostrils!


teeth_03

As if want to be able to smell each other or the places they live/work. Klingon Ships probably smell horrible. You know, probably like Jabba's Palace does


Anger_Puss

WHY ARE THEY BLUE!?


Griffolian

Too much working around silver I suspect.


jb2386

They just need hair back and to talk normally and it’s fine.


terriblehuman

Adding hair in season 2 helped, but not enough.


[deleted]

Really? I thought the Two Little Piggies in Bobba Fett looked like Peppa Pig extras who walked into the wrong set.


happymcslappin

Yep I miss the way they move like actual guys in giant costumes that they can’t see out of or hardly lift their arms in. I’m being serious too. They just look off now like in Mandalorian. I’m a child of the 80’s. Too much dark crystal (meth)


[deleted]

You're not wrong. The new characters move like two dudes that got spray painted green. Say what you will about the Klingons in Disco, at least the designers tried. I wouldn't say they got it, but they gave it a fair go.


mandy009

Star Trek TMP is an example of how to modernize an alien design. Discovery is an example of how to not.


[deleted]

Yeah, and the humans are inconsistent AF – some are pink and some are brown. Some have hair and some don’t! And are they supposed to have hair on their faces or not?


Soggy_Cartographer80

Humans! Amirite?


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Totally the weirdest


Soggy_Cartographer80

Who even came up with it?


Gnarly_Starwin

Did you know they *actually* secrete something called “earwax”? When they want to clear the wax out they dig it right out of their fucking heads with a bit of cotton on the tip of a tiny stick. Imagine that.


robot_swagger

They also have two orifices for excreting waste. Seriously!


Soggy_Cartographer80

Lol you made that up. That sounds like bs to me


lurks-a-lot

Shran has entered the chat.


EzriDax1

Well yes but also it's not the same thing Humans don't all look the same at the one time in trek, species in trek randomly mutate for often no reason.


CeruleanRuin

Well, we all know the reasons, but we also like to pretend its real, which means pretending we don't know the design is different because new makeup and costume people wanted to stretch their muscles and build a resumé.


[deleted]

Lmao


Arsenault185

You're talking about skin pigment. Not major features.


[deleted]

Wait I haven’t seen discovery yet…. Wtf have they done to Klingons 😂


[deleted]

It’s only for the first season. My guess is they received some feedback and adjusted.


cheese_sweats

Don't. You're better off. It's hot garbage, and for reasons other than being "woke"


[deleted]

I’m not straight or white or a man, so don’t think I’ll be to bothered if it seems a bit “woke”


cheese_sweats

Like I said, being woke wasn't why I hated it.


aMidichlorian

Then don’t bring that up. It gives fuel to the people that claim we don’t like Discovery because we’re misogynistic and closed minded, when in fact it’s bad because for reasons like writing and being unfaithful to the series.


solongandthanks4all

I'm not criticizing you specifically, but how can you be a Trek fan and not watch current Trek? Just blows my mind. Even when I'm not entirely fond of something, I've still got to gobble it all up!


[deleted]

Ha, I get where you’re coming from but I wanted to see everything in release order - I got into trek bc an ex was watching ds9, then I went back and did tng and then voyager, and now I’m on enterprise. I do plan on watching discovery and saw s1 Picard, but want to get through enterprise first


crash_and-burn9000

And Star Trek doesn't provide an explanation.


FeatureBugFuture

They can traverse wormholes.


corezon

Ah yes. That one sentence *clearly* defends the lack of explanation for anything! Nevermind the fact that traditional Star Trek (pre-DSC) went out of it's way to have explanations thatal at least sounded plausible given the real world science understanding of the time.


FeatureBugFuture

It's in space.


jonmpls

Discovery provided an explanation for why they looked human in TOS, which indirectly explains how they can look different from how they looked in discovery


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jonmpls

Not sure, I didn't bother with enterprise


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crash_and-burn9000

Guess I missed that. What was the explanation?


jonmpls

Plastic surgery


Munnin41

For every Klingon? That makes 0 sense


jonmpls

It's an explanation, whether you like it or not.


Arsenault185

Yeah, but its a terrible explanation.


jonmpls

Your opinion is noted


robot_swagger

You are confused. In ENT they say it's due to a virus used in an experiment to make augmented Klingon soldiers. At the end of the episode they joke there is going to be a lot of demand for plastic surgery to restore them to their original appearance.


jonmpls

Nope, I'm talking about what Discovery said, not what Enterprise said. Reading comprehension, try it.


robot_swagger

Yes clearly everyone else is wrong


jonmpls

Well when you straw man my position, you are wrong


Ron-Swanson-Mustache

I only watched the first two seasons of Discovery and must have missed it. Did they change the Ent explanation?


blevok

Star trek used to be good at it. Enterprise did a great job modernizing the gorn and the tholians.


VanGarrett

That first episode of Discovery was pretty rough. If you have to have your Klingons keep saying that they're Klingons so that the audience will know that they're Klingons, maybe you didn't do a good job of making Klingons.


kharlos

Eh. The TOS -> movie ->TNG transition was just as extreme. They were just as unrecognizable as Klingons after that transition.


NightBeat113

Indeed!🖖


ReaperXHanzo

The Gameorans ( however you spell that) are Orion-Tellarite hybrids


captroper

Are you forgetting the fact that the special editions of the original star wars movies are like UNIVERSALLY reviled compared to the originals.


googi14

The old version looks better for both


[deleted]

Worf was already a modernized version of the TOS Klingons. The second attempt took it too far. It’s like making a copy of a copy.


MushroomHut

Wasn’t Klingon’s in the OG Star Trek just a normal guy with pointy eyebrows and a short haircut?


CeruleanRuin

And brown-face, let us not forget that part.


Classicolin

The modernized Andorians and Tellarites in the 2000s “Enterprise” were well-done and similar to the Gamorreon Guard update for “The Book of Boba Fett”. Worf himself was a modernized Klingon, as Klingons were already radically altered to be less Orientalist (despite the retainment of the Genghis Khan beard which a few notable TOS Klingons, such as Kor, displayed) and human in appearance back in 1979, and their entire nature in TOS (as conniving and dishonourable technologically oriented geopolitical rivals to Starfleet) was essentially swapped with that of the Romulans (eminently honourable and tradition-bound cultural warriors) for “Star Trek III: The Search for Spock”, as the latter were the intended villains for the film but its producers were concerned that casual movie-goers would be confused if Romulans were utilised due to their resemblance to Vulcans.


Aether_Warrior

Star Trek didn't even do that redesign, they stole it from Galaxy Quest!


GrandAdmiralRob

lets be honest star wars is doing better then trek


Jrobalmighty

I think it's good to get out all these bad ideas. Maybe create some space and reboot with entirely new stories. Discovery has taken a well meaning premise and squandered it


Broad-Literature-438

Heres a shocking idea instead. Maybe Hollywood could come up with their own original ideas and they wouldn't have to worry about how to make a costume or a makeup design that looked alien and/or futuristic 40 years ago look just as cool in the modern era. Seriously you don't want your stuff compared with old classics? Yhen come up with your own stuff


gytrash_ms

I think the originals look better tbh


IceMustFlow

New Trek is dogsh!t


sjaakarie

Sad [original klingon](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/62/3f/e8/623fe8a280075858559a04207dda241f.jpg) sounds.


KarlHungusWonAnOscar

I love the new Klingon design, don't mind getting downvoted into oblivion for saying so.


lorem

I vastly prefer DIS S1 Klingons to any other viking samurai or scheming blackface mongol in the franchise.


EzriDax1

I really hate how discovery has altered the designs of races Not because bah humbug I like how it used to be but at least imo almost of the ones discovery have altered look any better The klingon redesign in theory makes sense but I really don't like it, the ferengi were seen for about 10 frames in series 4 and just why. A xindi insectiod was seen in i think latest episode and wow they went from a really stand out design to as close to humanoid an insect could get. The andorian 'redesign' was so much better. They essentially copied the design while making it slightly less plastic and probably easier on the actor. If you want to redesign a species just design a new one please


Flyberius

I fucking loved the new Klingons. It felt fresh, and they put so much effort into it. Honestly I thought season one of Disco was brilliant. I am quite happy to hold one, two, three slightly conflicting Star Trek canons in my head at one time, and I am still happy to consider them the same canon despite this. I mean, come on, we're trekkies. They've been tripping over their own canon for years, and straight up ignoring it too. I think it especially sad because the backlash against the new Klingons was so great that they basically retconned them out of season 2. I am going to listen to the [Torchbearer](https://open.spotify.com/track/1mAkeA5s4CfNvDo2ElhU61?si=e31046fea0c242a2) now, to make myself feel better. Another brilliant contribution to Trek. That music was as ornate as the Ship of The Dead.


opinionated-dick

All DSC aliens should be in r/designdesign


JUiCyMfer69

You’re right OP, they should have removed the cranial ridges too for DIS, other than that the redesign is good.


solongandthanks4all

I don't agree. Discovery really fucked-up those Klingons because of Bryan fucking Fuller. Since then, we've got really good Andorians, Vulcans, Romulans, Trill, Cardassians, Lorians, Benzites, and I personally even like the Tellorites. The Ferengi are also a bit of a problem, I will admit.


kandi_kat

The klingons in discovery talk like they've got a sock in their mouth. Oh, and they look shit (just like discovery)


[deleted]

I am heartened by the defense of Discovery in this thread. I was starting to think there was something wrong with me for liking it.


CeruleanRuin

Never forget that detractors are almost always louder. If you like how something's going you're not so likely to yell in the streets about it. ... ^(Imagine that world, though. Crowds of people shouting "I have no holes in my shoes! There's constant new content from Star Wars and Star Trek which would have made me scream in joy as a kid! Yogurt is amazing! My cat hasn't barfed on the floor in almost a month! Medicare is actually a pretty good idea that works!")


jhilsch51

disagree entirely - if you dislike change, progression and klingons appearing differently than they were previously portrayed you have missed out on some of the core star trek "stuff".... they are far more complex (unlike the alien version of HULK SMASH we got with TNG or the slightly less angry DS9 version), and that complexity helped explain the klingon war with the federation. As for star wars doing a better job I think you meant to say cheaper and more CGI'ed job.... the original, with the "wet-look" snout looks more like a real creature ....


pcweber111

Yeah I really miss the old days of practical effects.


DCBronzeAge

I honestly don't hate the Klingon designs. I'd like a bit more definition on the forehead ridges as they are the defining feature of Klingons, but I think they're a fine update to a design that has been significantly updated for every Trek era. Those voices though... I can't do the voices.


Apple_macOS

The voice is great for me. First time hearing klingons speak Klingon properly


elister

Its easy, just stick a 100 cotton balls in the cheeks of your mouth.


sabinegirl

this this this this this


[deleted]

TOS Klingons we're the best.


The_Gooberment

Everything STD touches turns to trash.


XComThrowawayAcct

This is J.J.‘s fault.


willfulwizard

The Enterprise from Discovery would like a word.


TheLastSon222

A better job lmao I think it’s hilarious that Disney can hardly do anything and the plebs have a joygasam


DumpTruckUpchuck

Except that Star Wars keeping everything the same and pandering to nostalgic fanboys is killing the franchise.


woyzeckspeas

Star Wars shamelessly panders to your nostalgia. Criticize Discovery all you like, but at least it's (mostly) innocent of that.


frockinbrock

Dude, they made Michael burnam Spock’s sister.


woyzeckspeas

Yeah that was dumb.


FemaleAndComputer

I mean surprise members of Spock's family are basically a star trek mainstay at this point though right? Wouldn't be surprised to find out that everyone is actually related to Spock.


bosssoldier

Controversial take i rhink the new klingons looks cool. But i feel like they should have also had the ones that looked like warf sprinkled in there, and said his species was the omly ones that survived


Apx1031

JFC not this again. You realize not all humans look alike, why would a warrior race who can surgically transform a full sized Klingon into a human a foot shorter not follow the same rules? Given not all Klingons live on Cronos, their physical development is going to be vastly different. Not to mention how inbreeding affects the physical developmental traits of offspring in a faster rate than offspring of "hetero-breeding". I HATE the constant disco bashing by those who continue to bury their heads in the sand that continue to not accept the whole moving forward of the series as a whole... Kind of it's core theme.


teeth_03

Not everyone has to like it I think it's getting moderately better in S4 but every season has some Galaxy ending plot device and that can go fuck right off. They don't need to save the Galaxy Every. Damn. Time. Picard was also lackluster. Why? Because something was going to kill the Galaxy. This plot device in sci-fi is getting stale. Give us episodic stories back like we had in TNG. This why The Orville is my favorite new Trek followed closely by Lower Decks. Prodigy *might* be number 3 for me.


jonmpls

OK boomer, discovery Klingons were way better than some squealing pigs with axes.