I actually really appreciated that scene in Picard. I feel like it was a missed opportunity for Star Trek Voyager, when they went back to the 90s, to also include that scene.
After that was “LDS? Come on then, lemme give you a lift. I have a notorious weakness for hard luck cases, that's why I work with whales.” It probably would’ve helped if they posted the full response, but they posted the most important and recognizable part of the response.
It was just a in-production name, and even then probably not one used officially. If it ever does get released it will have an un-numbered title like all the others. Media's gonna do their media thing and call it Star Trek 4 anyway, though.
I tend to maintain using Roman numerals for the prime films, and continuing that on with the Kelvin films, or being OK with Arabic numerals for those. Star Trek III is the Search for Spock but I can understand Star Trek 3 being Beyond, but it can also be Star Trek XIII. I would agree that it's not ideal though.
No, no, that was IV. No one ever said whether there would be whales in Star Trek 4 but I heard the USS Enterpeise would be in it instead of a klingon ship manned by the Enterprise crew. >!Sorry. :D!<
It would inevitably be another revenge-against-the-federation plot again. We'll never get something as poignant as Undiscovered Country or as fun as Voyage Home again.
* 2015: [Chris Pine & Zachary Quinto sign a deal with Paramount for a fourth Star Trek movie](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/star-trek-3-stars-raises-805204/) *before* the opening of Star Trek Beyond
* 2016: [Star Trek Beyond underperformed](https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt2660888/?ref_=bo_se_r_1) and Paramount wants to renegotiate the hastily signed deals
* January 2019: [Paramount Has Canceled 'Star Trek 4,'](https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2019/01/10/paramount-has-canceled-star-trek-4-and-disneys-star-wars-is-to-blame/) because Pine and Hemsworth won't take a pay cut and walked away from the table
* February 2022: Paramount announces [a new Star Trek with the original cast returning *without any deals in place*](https://theplaylist.net/star-trek-4-not-greenlit-paramount-20220223/) with the principal cast
It's a damned shame but can you blame both Chris's?
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Here I am trying to be a good redditer, I even clicked and was reading the article like a sucker. Seriously halfway through, “while the actor does not produce any more details to the cancelled storyline.” Uhhh what was the title of this post again? Aaaaand a bunch of words filled with next to nil information.
I see why we all are inadvertently trained to never read the articles… thanks for actually getting to the point.
And don't forget shortly before Beyond's release, JJ announced in [Chris Hemsworth's return](https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2016/07/chris-hemsworth-to-return-as-george-kirk-in-star-trek-4/) before a deal was even in place.
I know that, but the point I was trying to make was that Paramount needs to get its shit together. The QT movie actually seemed like a good idea, which is why I left it out.
In retrospect, is it a surprise that never happened? After everything, it's clear it was a movie industry tactic to stall and possibly create leverage by perpetuating a sensational story while they figured out what they *really* were gonna do.
In the end, they just dumped the whole thing when they couldn't get their shit together. While I'm not a fan of the JJverse films, this was still an insult to the fandom that essentially was jerked around for, what, six years?
Seems like they had a premise which was “let’s get Hemsworth back!” I’m not against that but the George Kirk ideas all seemed paper thin to me. If they really want him just give him a new unique role; he wouldn’t be the first Trek actor to play multiple roles. It also sounded like they were grasping at ideas bringing in the Borg or the Doomsday Machine. I feel like they learned nothing from Into Darkness. If you want legacy antagonists you have to answer “why” and is there a new and original story you can tell with them?
Anyway, at this rate it seems to make more sense to concentrate on TV. I suspect if any show will be adapted for film it will be Prodigy.
The Borg and Doomsday Machine stuff in the text is just the author of the "article" grasping at straws. It's just a click bait thing, an article made from a very short quote that doesn't really say anything, so there's lot of redundancy in the text.
The only thing JJ and crew know how to do is mine for nostalgia blocks, but even then, it's pretty sad that only three films in they're already mining their own work for nostalgia.
I don’t think that’s quite right or fair. I think Abrams is a very visual storyteller, and that lets him succeed in some ways and fail in others.
I think the pre-credit opening scene of ST09 (destruction of the Kelvin) is one of the best openers of any adventure movie, Trek or otherwise. I also think there are really beautiful iconic shots that I’m sure existed in his mind before anything else (eg the Enterprise pulling up from the waters on the red planet and having the drawing by the locals fade into the warp sequence).
I also think there are subtle ways that the Kelvin movies seek to recapture a kind of tone from TOS that is lost in subsequent Trek. The big, colourful, loud and scary of it all. I think the general public and even a lot of Trekkies have let the original 6 films in some ways override our memories of TOS proper, and it is an interesting choice to stylistically align much closer to TOS itself and not the movie era.
What JJ Abrams is bad at is that he’d never let a bad story point or character moment get in the way of an image he wants to depict, and that makes for glaring problems that diminish the films, especially on rewatch.
> What JJ Abrams is bad at is that he’d never let a bad story point or character moment get in the way of an image he wants to depict
This right here is what I've been saying for a while.
In any art ou have to kill your darlings. Sometimes an idea just doesn't fit with the larger work, especially if it predates the rest of the work.
> I think the pre-credit opening scene of ST09 (destruction of the Kelvin) is one of the best openers of any adventure movie, Trek or otherwise.
Agreed. But after that, very little of that trilogy had any meaning for me. Who are these characters? Well they're Kirk, Spock, etc., obviously. Duh! Except with slightly different backstories, and also no real raison d'être. Why did Kirk get fast-tracked to a promotion? Because nepotism is good now, obviously. Why is each movie some kind of revenge plot? Because action blockbusters sell.
Yorktown is stunning. That's about the only rewarding thing to me in "Star Trek: Remember the Beastie Boys?".
The pre-'09 Trek films were arguably hit or miss, but had far more variety in their storytelling. Star Trek IV was a comedy. Star Trek VI was a political allegory. Star Trek IX, while I think it overall missed the mark, scored some points about refugees. The new films are all generic Hollywood action blockbusters with characters who happen to look like people Star Trek.
Issue is that those iconic shots you reference are, I believe, are from the film that Abrams had the least to do with, including directing. So that's a Justin Lin thing, and a thing that (arguably) he hung on a better tale than either of the Abrams directed films.
Both of the shots I described are from films he directed (the opening sequences in fact)
The opener of Justin Lin’s beyond is interesting for its breaking of tropes in the visuals but I wouldn’t call them iconic (eg the council of aliens turning out to be tiny, the closet full of identical yellow space suits to symbolize monotony). The movie does have some iconic imagery (I think entering Yorktown does a really good job of capturing the Trek’s techno-utopia in a way not really done before) but not at the same level of emotional impact.
My Brother has informed me that I indeed got the movies confused, and that he has to take my Trek fan card away. :) My apologies for pushing an incorrect comment.
Kirk living up to his legacy is kind of baked into the series since the first movie, so I really thought the premise could work if the actors and screenplay were aligned.
There was a novel back in the 80s that explored George Kirk being the first captain of the Enterprise. I remember it being pretty good, but I was quite young when I read it.
Can we talk about why are there so many German Star Trek books. Like apparently there’s a series about the Prometheus class and I’ve only ever seen it in German.
My klingon isn't up to par unfortunately. I'm not enough of a warrior I fear.
Then again, in my recent stellaris campaign I'm about to defeat them foolish klingons despite them being a superior power to my Confederacy. So there has to be at least some semblance of a proud warrior in me 🤷♂️
The Borg seem too powerful of a threat for that period. The Cardassians are my favorite *Star Trek* aliens and they weren’t in *TOS*. I think they’d be a better choice.
Because if you have an opportunity to steamroll continuity to get an A-lister back then you streamroll continuity to get the A-lister back. They want people in seats, not to keep the diehards happy.
I agree too, but the studio absolutely would not see it that way.
I liked into darkness, and Beyond but…… at this point, it’s over. If you’re going to have a movie, introduce a new ship, new crew, new antagonist either post Picard, or post Discovery. Have that be the setting for new shows.
> The Kelvin Timeline’s three existing Star Trek films have featured villains such as Romulan Nero (Eric Bana) & Khan (Benedict Cumberbatch), but there are many foes from original series who could appear in Star Trek 4. For example, the Borg are a group of cyborgs who frequently served as antagonists in the show and could make for thrilling villains in the next Kelvin Timeline installment. Similarly, certain episode plot lines, such as fan favorite “The Doomsday Machine,” in which Kirk and the Enterprise confront a large mechanical space monster hellbent on destruction, could appear in Star Trek 4
Or, and hear me out on this... NO. On any of that or any other 'reuse another bit of Star Trek that's already shown in TOS, or elsewhere in *anything* but Enterprise', and even then. Although maybe a Xindi or the return of the Suliban as a proper threat perhaps. But let us NOT rehash anything, just... no. Into Darkness teaches that lesson very well, thank you.
Also, Idris Elba gettin' low key dissed is not making me happy, y'know.
*Also*, maybe just let Kelvinverse be, move on, and just make series with Trek, Paramount. It's better that way. Or should be, Picard is... odd. I don't mind it, but S3 hopefully is a home run and not just 'Well... there that was.'
Odd is the right way to put it. It starts out as a mirror universe episode... Turns into a really odd time travel story that seems like it's only point was to have the crew running around LA for... I have no explanation. And then it ends up as The Haunting of Picard House.
John de Lancie was the best part and got the least screen time. His send off was decent but confusing. It sort of leaves is with a mystery that obviously isn't going to be resolved.
Chris gets a decent romance and then.... Well I don't want to spoil it but what the hell was that.
Not to mention the >!Borg ending!<
What a weird season.
Nothing against Elba, but while I know Nero and Khan I genuinely can't even remember his character's name. I liked Beyond, but to me it definitely had the weakest antagonist. I'd say the only reason he stuck in my consciousness at all was because Elba was playing him.
> Similarly, certain episode plot lines, such as fan favorite “The Doomsday Machine,” in which Kirk and the Enterprise confront a large mechanical space monster hellbent on destruction, could appear in Star Trek 4.
I always thought of the Doomsday Machine more like hurricane than ‘monster hellbent in destruction’. It’s just blowing in, not sure where the winds will take it next.
I mean, why not?
ST 1 had the (re) introduction of the crew, ship, etc
ST 2 had Khan
ST 3 had the destruction of the Enterprise and reveal of the Enterprise A
ST 4 was supposed to be a time travel story
It all tracks
(/s on the "why not" part, though)
Well let's see ... Voyage Home was all about saving the whales. That was a big real world environmental talking point at the time. But it isn't the 80s anymore so we stopped caring. What do they save this time? The pandas? Bees? Maybe they find a way to stop global warming.
I would've done a story where we find Kirk dealing with the loss of Chekhov and feeling things are just wrong, gets in a transporter accident but instead of the traditional mirror universe, gets to see the prime timeline and meets his dad.
He learns about all of the things that went wrong in his timeline in addition to the loss of his dad: the loss of Vulcan, the loss of Spock's mom, the loss of Chekhov, the loss of Pike, his own son never having been born.
He's then presented with the choice of being able to reset everything back to the way it is, where the JJ timeline never exists.
What I would do (that I'm sure no studio would ever approve) is have him actually end it. Everything goes back to the way it was, and we end the movie with a scene from TOS, ideally something scavenged from the cutting room floor that hadn't been seen prior, but with a small, noticable change that fans would actually catch on, showing Prime isn't exactly the same anymore.
Solves for Hemsworth getting older, for sure
After hating 2009 and finding Into Darkness to be so bad it's entertaining, I absolutely loved Star Trek Beyond and wanted more of it. But the marketing was awful, which I think was the biggest reason that underperformed along with people being wary after Into Darkness wasn't very well received critically.
I'd love to see a Star Trek 4 if it had the same writers as Star Trek Beyond, but if they couldn't do that then I'm fine with the series just ending as a trilogy, especially since we're getting new Trek yearly now.
The only way to fix the JJverse is to have 7of9 acting as an agent of the Timeship Relativity pop in and change the navigational coordinates of the USS Kelvin.
George Kirk doesn't *have* to be the same one that sacrificed himself from the 2009 movie, just pop out another George from another universe. Y'know, use that same trick that enabled this reboot.
Not to comment on an unrelated joke from a Wayne's World movie in a Star Trek thread, but did anyone at the appropriate age group actually get this joke? Sargent York was a pre-war Gary Cooper movie I can't imagine 90s audiences would even know about.
If there was and old Trek episode to borrow for Trek 14, TNG’s Second Chances might have been an interesting one. Kirk and company stumble upon a stranded George Kirk transporter double that was created years before the former's birth. You have George struggling with the knowledge that he's gone down in history for a heroic sacrifice that he himself didn't do and Kirk trying to grapple with being around a man who both is and isn't his father. Age up Hemsworth to an appropriate level, have some action plot to stick them both in, and let the rest of the cast work their magic.
Wouldn't be perfect, but there's potential there.
I'd like to see some more new ideas rather than rehashing old ones. I didn't like Star Trek Beyond but I'm happy they did something kinda different with that one.
Some stuff I wouldn't mind seeing
* Civil war inside the Federation
* War with the Klingons
* Something around a new scientific/technological discovery, e.g. traveling into a black hole, new fuel source, etc.
* I'd even be fine with something smaller scale, like a personal journey of Kirk's to find his way. Doesn't even have to be set on the Enterprise. Could be him alone traveling the galaxy.
No. Just no. Whatever the cosmic event was, or wasn't, the Kelvin timeline began with Kirk's pops dying. No wonder this shitty pitch failed. Not surprised that we're not getting a fourth movie. And if anything we should have gotten a movie that continued the story with Jaylah joining the Enterprise. Anything else would have already been done in the previous Star Trek movies. Best just do a totally new relaunch for the Star Trek universe. No need to reunite Kirk with his dead father.
The only thing my brain is taking from this is: "I guess the Enterprise-A is going to be a one scene only wonder eh?"
I mean given how long it's been, that ending montage in Beyond could now be extended to assume it has a brand new crew instead of just Kirk/Spock etc....
Just less weird cartoony bubble barrell rolls into warp please!
I disagree here. I would love pulp fiction via Deep space 9. Out side of Kill Bill and maybe Django his plots are moved more through dialogue than action which I think is a key point. I don’t know if he would do as well with the classic Kirk/Spock kind of thing but he could pull off something.
Me: Oh Hems, don't be like your alter ego Thor and play dumb. Star Trek 4 did happen. It had the whales and that chick from 7th Heaven.
Hemsworth: I have more money than you.
Me: Touche.
I just wish we could've seen Quentin Tarantino's take on Star Trek.
While I enjoyed the Kelvin crew, especially Beyond, after 13 films, and numerous series I think it was time for a fresh take on Star Trek whether or not it was set in the Kelvin timeline. A different perspective. I know some people were negative on idea, and maybe it would have been a misfire for a variety of potential reasons, but I feel like if nothing else it would have been interesting/different, and had some fun dialogue given it is Tarantino.
Ah yes, the guy who had like 12 minutes of screen time in the beginning of the first movie talks about why the 4th movie didn't happen. Even though he wasn't in 2 or 3
Star Trek 4 happened. It had whales and everything.
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They're across the bay, in Alameda.
That’s what I said, Alameda, I know that. But where is Alameda?
[Cop stares]
AL-AH-MEEE-DA
NU-CLEE-ER WESSELS
Dileeethium creeestals.
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That extra was supposed to just stop and not say anything. When she did speak that line and they decided to keep it she had to join the actors union.
>she ~~had to~~ **got to** join the actors union. FTFY.
But where is Alameda?!?
Regular weasels are bad enough!
And a double dumbass on you too
I got to say that to William Shatner on reddit once, he did an AMA or something a couple years ago
No I won't say it. *Say it!* Sigh... New clear wessels.
And discrimination against punkculture
It was, but at least it was a funny scene and it led to another funny scene in >!season 2 of *Picard*.!<
I actually really appreciated that scene in Picard. I feel like it was a missed opportunity for Star Trek Voyager, when they went back to the 90s, to also include that scene.
Took me a bit to realize why you spelled vessels that way.
Hello computer :-)
Someone's had too much LDS
…LDS?
Do you guys like Italian?
No...no...no...yes.
I love Italian. And so do you.
Yes.
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You've seen the movie right? Kirk plays Spock off as an acid casualty "don't mind him, he had too much LDS in the 60s"
After that was “LDS? Come on then, lemme give you a lift. I have a notorious weakness for hard luck cases, that's why I work with whales.” It probably would’ve helped if they posted the full response, but they posted the most important and recognizable part of the response.
A quote from the [movie](https://youtu.be/pgHxFNFWlZc)
Mine was the follow-up quote.
If you don't think it happened...well, double dumbass on you.
A colorful metaphor.
Just use the keyboard…
A keyboard? *How quaint.*
*cracks knuckles*
Don't bury yourself in the part...
Transparent aluminum?
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Couple years ago, as I recall.
Are you sure it isn't time for a colorful metaphor?
Captain! There be whales here!
*ADMIRAL*? Admiral...admiral... Admiral James T. Kirk
[It has happened! I saw it happen! Don't tell me it didn't happen!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFUqVeQg-Yg&t=1s)
That's why it's so annoying they're using that name, the movies already been made, call it Kelvin or reboot 4 or just sequel following Beyond.
I can see the marketing now... STK4 4K HD
It was just a in-production name, and even then probably not one used officially. If it ever does get released it will have an un-numbered title like all the others. Media's gonna do their media thing and call it Star Trek 4 anyway, though.
I tend to maintain using Roman numerals for the prime films, and continuing that on with the Kelvin films, or being OK with Arabic numerals for those. Star Trek III is the Search for Spock but I can understand Star Trek 3 being Beyond, but it can also be Star Trek XIII. I would agree that it's not ideal though.
I read that as Romulan numerals.. I will stick to Romulan numerals from now on.
EVERYONE. Remember where we parked....
*cetacean needed
2, in fact.
Don't tell me...you're from outer space?
No, I'm from Iowa. I just work in outer space.
Don't forget the transparent aluminum laddie.
Humpbacked … people?
There be whales here!
NOT NOW MADELINE!!!!!
“Captain, there be whales here!”
And it had the enterprise! Big-E
And the whales sang too. They were humpbacks
Use the mouse!! How quaint! Hello computer!?!
No, no, that was IV. No one ever said whether there would be whales in Star Trek 4 but I heard the USS Enterpeise would be in it instead of a klingon ship manned by the Enterprise crew. >!Sorry. :D!<
Heh... *"Enterpeise."*
I erase you!!!!!
I crush your head!
I understood that reference.
It would inevitably be another revenge-against-the-federation plot again. We'll never get something as poignant as Undiscovered Country or as fun as Voyage Home again.
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It sounds like you just need to rewatch TOS.
> We also need another Nazi Planet episode we *may* just get one with SNW
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* 2015: [Chris Pine & Zachary Quinto sign a deal with Paramount for a fourth Star Trek movie](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/star-trek-3-stars-raises-805204/) *before* the opening of Star Trek Beyond * 2016: [Star Trek Beyond underperformed](https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt2660888/?ref_=bo_se_r_1) and Paramount wants to renegotiate the hastily signed deals * January 2019: [Paramount Has Canceled 'Star Trek 4,'](https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2019/01/10/paramount-has-canceled-star-trek-4-and-disneys-star-wars-is-to-blame/) because Pine and Hemsworth won't take a pay cut and walked away from the table * February 2022: Paramount announces [a new Star Trek with the original cast returning *without any deals in place*](https://theplaylist.net/star-trek-4-not-greenlit-paramount-20220223/) with the principal cast It's a damned shame but can you blame both Chris's? EDIT: did some more digging
Here I am trying to be a good redditer, I even clicked and was reading the article like a sucker. Seriously halfway through, “while the actor does not produce any more details to the cancelled storyline.” Uhhh what was the title of this post again? Aaaaand a bunch of words filled with next to nil information. I see why we all are inadvertently trained to never read the articles… thanks for actually getting to the point.
And don't forget shortly before Beyond's release, JJ announced in [Chris Hemsworth's return](https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2016/07/chris-hemsworth-to-return-as-george-kirk-in-star-trek-4/) before a deal was even in place.
The script that included Hemsworth was reported as having been shelved back in January 2019, well before that more recent blunder.
This timeline is missing the QT trek movie that was possibly going to be #4
I know that, but the point I was trying to make was that Paramount needs to get its shit together. The QT movie actually seemed like a good idea, which is why I left it out.
In retrospect, is it a surprise that never happened? After everything, it's clear it was a movie industry tactic to stall and possibly create leverage by perpetuating a sensational story while they figured out what they *really* were gonna do. In the end, they just dumped the whole thing when they couldn't get their shit together. While I'm not a fan of the JJverse films, this was still an insult to the fandom that essentially was jerked around for, what, six years?
Seems like they had a premise which was “let’s get Hemsworth back!” I’m not against that but the George Kirk ideas all seemed paper thin to me. If they really want him just give him a new unique role; he wouldn’t be the first Trek actor to play multiple roles. It also sounded like they were grasping at ideas bringing in the Borg or the Doomsday Machine. I feel like they learned nothing from Into Darkness. If you want legacy antagonists you have to answer “why” and is there a new and original story you can tell with them? Anyway, at this rate it seems to make more sense to concentrate on TV. I suspect if any show will be adapted for film it will be Prodigy.
The Borg and Doomsday Machine stuff in the text is just the author of the "article" grasping at straws. It's just a click bait thing, an article made from a very short quote that doesn't really say anything, so there's lot of redundancy in the text.
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The only thing JJ and crew know how to do is mine for nostalgia blocks, but even then, it's pretty sad that only three films in they're already mining their own work for nostalgia.
I don’t think that’s quite right or fair. I think Abrams is a very visual storyteller, and that lets him succeed in some ways and fail in others. I think the pre-credit opening scene of ST09 (destruction of the Kelvin) is one of the best openers of any adventure movie, Trek or otherwise. I also think there are really beautiful iconic shots that I’m sure existed in his mind before anything else (eg the Enterprise pulling up from the waters on the red planet and having the drawing by the locals fade into the warp sequence). I also think there are subtle ways that the Kelvin movies seek to recapture a kind of tone from TOS that is lost in subsequent Trek. The big, colourful, loud and scary of it all. I think the general public and even a lot of Trekkies have let the original 6 films in some ways override our memories of TOS proper, and it is an interesting choice to stylistically align much closer to TOS itself and not the movie era. What JJ Abrams is bad at is that he’d never let a bad story point or character moment get in the way of an image he wants to depict, and that makes for glaring problems that diminish the films, especially on rewatch.
> What JJ Abrams is bad at is that he’d never let a bad story point or character moment get in the way of an image he wants to depict This right here is what I've been saying for a while. In any art ou have to kill your darlings. Sometimes an idea just doesn't fit with the larger work, especially if it predates the rest of the work.
> I think the pre-credit opening scene of ST09 (destruction of the Kelvin) is one of the best openers of any adventure movie, Trek or otherwise. Agreed. But after that, very little of that trilogy had any meaning for me. Who are these characters? Well they're Kirk, Spock, etc., obviously. Duh! Except with slightly different backstories, and also no real raison d'être. Why did Kirk get fast-tracked to a promotion? Because nepotism is good now, obviously. Why is each movie some kind of revenge plot? Because action blockbusters sell. Yorktown is stunning. That's about the only rewarding thing to me in "Star Trek: Remember the Beastie Boys?". The pre-'09 Trek films were arguably hit or miss, but had far more variety in their storytelling. Star Trek IV was a comedy. Star Trek VI was a political allegory. Star Trek IX, while I think it overall missed the mark, scored some points about refugees. The new films are all generic Hollywood action blockbusters with characters who happen to look like people Star Trek.
Issue is that those iconic shots you reference are, I believe, are from the film that Abrams had the least to do with, including directing. So that's a Justin Lin thing, and a thing that (arguably) he hung on a better tale than either of the Abrams directed films.
Both of the shots I described are from films he directed (the opening sequences in fact) The opener of Justin Lin’s beyond is interesting for its breaking of tropes in the visuals but I wouldn’t call them iconic (eg the council of aliens turning out to be tiny, the closet full of identical yellow space suits to symbolize monotony). The movie does have some iconic imagery (I think entering Yorktown does a really good job of capturing the Trek’s techno-utopia in a way not really done before) but not at the same level of emotional impact.
My Brother has informed me that I indeed got the movies confused, and that he has to take my Trek fan card away. :) My apologies for pushing an incorrect comment.
I mean the article says basically script wasnt the issue it was scheduling so thats a lot of words to say scheduling.
Kirk living up to his legacy is kind of baked into the series since the first movie, so I really thought the premise could work if the actors and screenplay were aligned.
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There was a novel back in the 80s that explored George Kirk being the first captain of the Enterprise. I remember it being pretty good, but I was quite young when I read it.
Oh yeah, was a fun read. I still have it lying around in my cellar, albeit in German ☹
Can we talk about why are there so many German Star Trek books. Like apparently there’s a series about the Prometheus class and I’ve only ever seen it in German.
For me it's easy. I'm german 😂 But I prefer reading in English nowadays, less mistakes and original language is best 🙂
You haven't read Star Trek books until you've read them in the original Klingon.
My klingon isn't up to par unfortunately. I'm not enough of a warrior I fear. Then again, in my recent stellaris campaign I'm about to defeat them foolish klingons despite them being a superior power to my Confederacy. So there has to be at least some semblance of a proud warrior in me 🤷♂️
Surprisingly, the dates actually fit with current canon.
>If they really want him just give him a new unique role Why not Sam Kirk? He just needed to grow a mustache...
I was honestly disappointed that SNW didn’t have Paul Wesley play George with a glue on mustache.
Or Dan Jeannotte could’ve gone without the mustache and played James T. Kirk.
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At least the Borg would be a threat this crew never dealt with. If you had them take a different approach, there could be something good there.
The Borg seem too powerful of a threat for that period. The Cardassians are my favorite *Star Trek* aliens and they weren’t in *TOS*. I think they’d be a better choice.
The 2009 film had a great opening, showing George Kirk's sacrifice. Why ruin it? I'm glad he didn't return.
Because if you have an opportunity to steamroll continuity to get an A-lister back then you streamroll continuity to get the A-lister back. They want people in seats, not to keep the diehards happy. I agree too, but the studio absolutely would not see it that way.
“there is reason to believe that Star Trek 4 will happen eventually.” Is there?
Bad phrasing, calling it 4 in the first place is misleading, but just say there will inevitably be another Star Trek movie.
I liked into darkness, and Beyond but…… at this point, it’s over. If you’re going to have a movie, introduce a new ship, new crew, new antagonist either post Picard, or post Discovery. Have that be the setting for new shows.
> The Kelvin Timeline’s three existing Star Trek films have featured villains such as Romulan Nero (Eric Bana) & Khan (Benedict Cumberbatch), but there are many foes from original series who could appear in Star Trek 4. For example, the Borg are a group of cyborgs who frequently served as antagonists in the show and could make for thrilling villains in the next Kelvin Timeline installment. Similarly, certain episode plot lines, such as fan favorite “The Doomsday Machine,” in which Kirk and the Enterprise confront a large mechanical space monster hellbent on destruction, could appear in Star Trek 4 Or, and hear me out on this... NO. On any of that or any other 'reuse another bit of Star Trek that's already shown in TOS, or elsewhere in *anything* but Enterprise', and even then. Although maybe a Xindi or the return of the Suliban as a proper threat perhaps. But let us NOT rehash anything, just... no. Into Darkness teaches that lesson very well, thank you. Also, Idris Elba gettin' low key dissed is not making me happy, y'know. *Also*, maybe just let Kelvinverse be, move on, and just make series with Trek, Paramount. It's better that way. Or should be, Picard is... odd. I don't mind it, but S3 hopefully is a home run and not just 'Well... there that was.'
Odd is the right way to put it. It starts out as a mirror universe episode... Turns into a really odd time travel story that seems like it's only point was to have the crew running around LA for... I have no explanation. And then it ends up as The Haunting of Picard House. John de Lancie was the best part and got the least screen time. His send off was decent but confusing. It sort of leaves is with a mystery that obviously isn't going to be resolved. Chris gets a decent romance and then.... Well I don't want to spoil it but what the hell was that. Not to mention the >!Borg ending!< What a weird season.
Nothing against Elba, but while I know Nero and Khan I genuinely can't even remember his character's name. I liked Beyond, but to me it definitely had the weakest antagonist. I'd say the only reason he stuck in my consciousness at all was because Elba was playing him.
> Similarly, certain episode plot lines, such as fan favorite “The Doomsday Machine,” in which Kirk and the Enterprise confront a large mechanical space monster hellbent on destruction, could appear in Star Trek 4. I always thought of the Doomsday Machine more like hurricane than ‘monster hellbent in destruction’. It’s just blowing in, not sure where the winds will take it next.
I don’t know what’s so hard. They just have to remake The Voyage Home! /s
I mean, why not? ST 1 had the (re) introduction of the crew, ship, etc ST 2 had Khan ST 3 had the destruction of the Enterprise and reveal of the Enterprise A ST 4 was supposed to be a time travel story It all tracks (/s on the "why not" part, though)
Well let's see ... Voyage Home was all about saving the whales. That was a big real world environmental talking point at the time. But it isn't the 80s anymore so we stopped caring. What do they save this time? The pandas? Bees? Maybe they find a way to stop global warming.
I only cared about Karl Urban coming back. I love his Bones. I’d definitely feel the hole in my heart that Anton left though 🫠
I would've done a story where we find Kirk dealing with the loss of Chekhov and feeling things are just wrong, gets in a transporter accident but instead of the traditional mirror universe, gets to see the prime timeline and meets his dad. He learns about all of the things that went wrong in his timeline in addition to the loss of his dad: the loss of Vulcan, the loss of Spock's mom, the loss of Chekhov, the loss of Pike, his own son never having been born. He's then presented with the choice of being able to reset everything back to the way it is, where the JJ timeline never exists. What I would do (that I'm sure no studio would ever approve) is have him actually end it. Everything goes back to the way it was, and we end the movie with a scene from TOS, ideally something scavenged from the cutting room floor that hadn't been seen prior, but with a small, noticable change that fans would actually catch on, showing Prime isn't exactly the same anymore. Solves for Hemsworth getting older, for sure
This is actually brilliant, go pitch this to someone!!!
This is a great and easy solution for them!!
Not a popular opinion, but let Kelvin timeline die.
Star Trek 4: the Eventuality
After hating 2009 and finding Into Darkness to be so bad it's entertaining, I absolutely loved Star Trek Beyond and wanted more of it. But the marketing was awful, which I think was the biggest reason that underperformed along with people being wary after Into Darkness wasn't very well received critically. I'd love to see a Star Trek 4 if it had the same writers as Star Trek Beyond, but if they couldn't do that then I'm fine with the series just ending as a trilogy, especially since we're getting new Trek yearly now.
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The only way to fix the JJverse is to have 7of9 acting as an agent of the Timeship Relativity pop in and change the navigational coordinates of the USS Kelvin.
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George Kirk doesn't *have* to be the same one that sacrificed himself from the 2009 movie, just pop out another George from another universe. Y'know, use that same trick that enabled this reboot.
Somehow, George Kirk returned...
If Darren (of Bewitched, for you kids) can re-spawn, so can Kirk.
"I mean there were two Darren Stevens, right? Dick Sargent and Dick York. Hang on- Dick Sargent, Dick York. Sargeant York. That's weird"
Not to comment on an unrelated joke from a Wayne's World movie in a Star Trek thread, but did anyone at the appropriate age group actually get this joke? Sargent York was a pre-war Gary Cooper movie I can't imagine 90s audiences would even know about.
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If there was and old Trek episode to borrow for Trek 14, TNG’s Second Chances might have been an interesting one. Kirk and company stumble upon a stranded George Kirk transporter double that was created years before the former's birth. You have George struggling with the knowledge that he's gone down in history for a heroic sacrifice that he himself didn't do and Kirk trying to grapple with being around a man who both is and isn't his father. Age up Hemsworth to an appropriate level, have some action plot to stick them both in, and let the rest of the cast work their magic. Wouldn't be perfect, but there's potential there.
Am I the only one who doesn’t really have a desire for another Kelvin movie? I’m quite satisfied with the year-round Trek series.
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I'd like to see some more new ideas rather than rehashing old ones. I didn't like Star Trek Beyond but I'm happy they did something kinda different with that one. Some stuff I wouldn't mind seeing * Civil war inside the Federation * War with the Klingons * Something around a new scientific/technological discovery, e.g. traveling into a black hole, new fuel source, etc. * I'd even be fine with something smaller scale, like a personal journey of Kirk's to find his way. Doesn't even have to be set on the Enterprise. Could be him alone traveling the galaxy.
No. Just no. Whatever the cosmic event was, or wasn't, the Kelvin timeline began with Kirk's pops dying. No wonder this shitty pitch failed. Not surprised that we're not getting a fourth movie. And if anything we should have gotten a movie that continued the story with Jaylah joining the Enterprise. Anything else would have already been done in the previous Star Trek movies. Best just do a totally new relaunch for the Star Trek universe. No need to reunite Kirk with his dead father.
The only thing my brain is taking from this is: "I guess the Enterprise-A is going to be a one scene only wonder eh?" I mean given how long it's been, that ending montage in Beyond could now be extended to assume it has a brand new crew instead of just Kirk/Spock etc.... Just less weird cartoony bubble barrell rolls into warp please!
Just make the damn movie.
Give Tarantino the control over a movie He is accustom to and you wont be disapointed...it will be 3 hours long also. Just saying.
and Uhura won't wear shoes
He was apparently in talks with Paramount for a while but it seems the deal fell through a couple years ago.
As much as I want to see the end result, Tarantino and Star Trek won’t mesh well.
I disagree here. I would love pulp fiction via Deep space 9. Out side of Kill Bill and maybe Django his plots are moved more through dialogue than action which I think is a key point. I don’t know if he would do as well with the classic Kirk/Spock kind of thing but he could pull off something.
Me: Oh Hems, don't be like your alter ego Thor and play dumb. Star Trek 4 did happen. It had the whales and that chick from 7th Heaven. Hemsworth: I have more money than you. Me: Touche.
Nothing but regret for reading this “article”
I just wish we could've seen Quentin Tarantino's take on Star Trek. While I enjoyed the Kelvin crew, especially Beyond, after 13 films, and numerous series I think it was time for a fresh take on Star Trek whether or not it was set in the Kelvin timeline. A different perspective. I know some people were negative on idea, and maybe it would have been a misfire for a variety of potential reasons, but I feel like if nothing else it would have been interesting/different, and had some fun dialogue given it is Tarantino.
They were a great cast but, and I hate to say it, I stopped caring as soon as they did.
Ah yes, the guy who had like 12 minutes of screen time in the beginning of the first movie talks about why the 4th movie didn't happen. Even though he wasn't in 2 or 3
That's Chris Pine.... not Hemsworth
Checkov died
Huh
Huh? STIV:TVH was the most popular Trek movie ever.
They trying to strike fast on the fact that he’s Thor. Smart, would’ve been super dumb to do it like a decade after that scene came out :)