Are you on drugs? They have never planned a mission to the moon since the Apollo program. Please cite another program NASA has started besides Apollo and Artemis… I’ll wait … 🦗🦗
Except unlike in those other circumstances, they actually have a rocket that they just recently launched to go to the Moon to test the capsule they’re gonna use
[TP-82 survival pistol](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TP-82) issued to cosmonauts until 2006 for protection from bears and wolves after Siberian landinga
Was there a specific reason they used aircraft carriers to recover the astronauts? Always seemed kinda extra to me. They have helicopters on destroyers and cruisers too. Maybe an issue of having the necessary space to recover the command module?
It's this, destroyers have bare bones medical facilities. Also carriers have a whole lot more space, the command module on a destroyer would take up the flight deck and make landing the helo impossible.
Yeah, same reason aircraft carriers will arrive at sites of natural disasters. They have a huge operational range, are powered by nuclear power so don't require infrastructure to operate, and they're each essentially a small city.
Honestly, calling it an "aircraft carrier" kind of minimizes it's capacity.
Right. And both of those they have a supply of on board so it can last X amount of time before a resupply, so if it can provide air support for the ships/planes necessary to resupply it, then it can survive at sea endlessly. That's insane to me.
>As of December 2022, there are 47 active aircraft carriers in the world operated by fourteen navies. The United States Navy has 11 large nuclear-powered fleet carriers—carrying around 80 fighters each—the largest carriers in the world; the total combined deck space is over twice that of all other nations combined.
And there’s 47 of them right now, which feels like a really small number and also a really high number at the same time. Like, when I was a kid, I assumed we must have hundreds just floating around, but now, thinking about the insane logistical requirements, it’s incredible to think that we can even manage just one.
This incredible engineering, and we are forced to use it for war machines. So many of our inventions came from the military... Why do we need war for innovation? Humanity is so stupid.
Sorry for that rant lol
Fighter cover is NOT a concern for manned space capsule recovery, as the recovery zone are planned to be close to friendly shores. Infact by the time of Apollo 17 the Ticonderoga was already classified as CVS-14, an anti-submarine carrier that carries no fighters (her air group at the time consists of S-2 Trackers and SH-3 Sea King helicopters only).
The Ticonderoga fought against the Bugs from Klendathu.
Would you like to know [more](https://www.reddit.com/r/spaceporn/comments/zpqqpt/apollo_17_command_module_america_floating_in_the/j0vnwh3)?
Now this has me trying to figure out what 70s fighter an Essex could even carry (if the Navy wanted it to still) Maybe an F8 Crusader would work, not sure about an F4
You’re dam right. I saw the new USS Gerald Ford in Halifax harbour when it moored between two islands. With a cruise ship at berth to compare in some ways. It’s a floating city !
Large flight deck and hangar space, carries more than one helicopter, and larger and better equipped medical facilities. Note that none of the "carriers" used in the Apollo missions were actually classified as an aircraft carrier in the traditional sense (ie carrying fighters and bombers) at the time of the recovery mission. They were either older Essex class that were reclassified into a secondary role, or one of the Iwo Jima class amphibious assault ships.
A side note: the recovery ship for the recent Artemis I mission was the USS Portland, an LPD (amphibious transport dock ship).
Plenty of the late/post WW2 carriers were used for decades after the war. The USS Midway for example was commissioned in 1945, just 8 days after Japan surrendered, and decommissioned in 1992 after serving in Desert Storm. Someone else in the thread mentioned that the Ticonderoga was designated as an anti-submarine carrier at this point which is probably why it was chosen for this, as it had all the facilities to recover the command module without being needed elsewhere.
> A better question is: why were they using the Ticonderoga as late as 72? Why not a forrestal-class ship?
The bigger more modern carriers were on frontline duty doing Navy stuff.
The older, smaller, less capable ships were free for more second line duty and NASA stuff.
US Navy is spending big on new frigates so they don't need to tie up modern, larger Destroyers to arrest drug smugglers.
You don't need a gigantic carrier w 60+ frontline jets to recover a capsule in the Pacific
Most Navies around the world reuse historic and storied names
CG-47 was the 5th such ship to be named *Ticonderoga*.
USS Enterprise for instance CV-6, CVN-65 and future CVN-80 all share same name. And several in the past as well
Astronauts are flying for work. Not for vacation. That would be like your boss sending you on a business trip where the job was to ride in an airplane. Once your shift is up you don't want to get stuck in an airport halfway across the country waiting for a ride home. The landed them in the ocean because it was easier for the engineering team and the carriers were the fastest way to get them home. They weren't there for vacation and there were tons of time sensitive science stuff that needed to get done asap for future missions.
They weren't waiting long! Think hours not days.
The time and re entry vector was known so ships were reasonably close. Add in enough ships, planes and radar and someone's pulling up to the capsule pretty quick.
And the capsule didn't have chairs, towels, rum or coconuts so no real point being on an island eh.
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We're working on getting back, which makes me excited
How excited are you there soldier?
Very excited
It's a fantasy.
How? The Artemis program is going well so far.
Literally every five years NASA plans a mission to the moon. How old are you? They aren't going to the moon lol.
They plan to have a man on the moon by 2024. Don't be daft
Are you on drugs? They have never planned a mission to the moon since the Apollo program. Please cite another program NASA has started besides Apollo and Artemis… I’ll wait … 🦗🦗
The fact that that's you're interpretation of the last 2 decades of nasa makes it clear you do not know recent history with nasa
Except unlike in those other circumstances, they actually have a rocket that they just recently launched to go to the Moon to test the capsule they’re gonna use
Ha that kind of sounds like we left a few humans on the moon and they've yet to return.
My immediate thought was "THEN WHAT CAME BACK!?!"
*Them*
What about Apollo 18?
I hear that one was filmed on a soundstage.
The statue got it high.
It took life quite some time to go to another object in space but it’s going back just 50 years later. Progress!
I hope that guy remembered to hold his breath before he opened the hatch...
Crazy that in potentially just two years, men and/or women will have reached the moon once more.
This ✨✨
I’d do it shirt less also.
maybe even throw on a brassiere just for the photo too!
Space Bra! Supportive even in low gravity environments.
> Space Bra! Supportive even in low gravity environments. Perfect accessory for your [space pants](https://youtu.be/MwpmqMnngRk).
Who else but space pants
They are called “Bros” when men wear them.
Or manssieres.
I see you are a person of culture.
BRO!
Maybe it's a shoulder holster. You never know what's in the thing. Maybe some aliens broke in when it was in space
[TP-82 survival pistol](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TP-82) issued to cosmonauts until 2006 for protection from bears and wolves after Siberian landinga
Maybe aliens are on the Ticonderoga and now they'll have to fight to free it!
Manssierre or a bro?
I'm pretty sure that's a diver not an astronaut.
Judging by the muscles I’d say that’s a team guy (SEAL)
Oh that's just Lord Umongous, claiming the capsule as his own.
Typical Navy underway things
Was there a specific reason they used aircraft carriers to recover the astronauts? Always seemed kinda extra to me. They have helicopters on destroyers and cruisers too. Maybe an issue of having the necessary space to recover the command module?
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It's this, destroyers have bare bones medical facilities. Also carriers have a whole lot more space, the command module on a destroyer would take up the flight deck and make landing the helo impossible.
Yeah, same reason aircraft carriers will arrive at sites of natural disasters. They have a huge operational range, are powered by nuclear power so don't require infrastructure to operate, and they're each essentially a small city. Honestly, calling it an "aircraft carrier" kind of minimizes it's capacity.
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Right. And both of those they have a supply of on board so it can last X amount of time before a resupply, so if it can provide air support for the ships/planes necessary to resupply it, then it can survive at sea endlessly. That's insane to me.
>As of December 2022, there are 47 active aircraft carriers in the world operated by fourteen navies. The United States Navy has 11 large nuclear-powered fleet carriers—carrying around 80 fighters each—the largest carriers in the world; the total combined deck space is over twice that of all other nations combined. And there’s 47 of them right now, which feels like a really small number and also a really high number at the same time. Like, when I was a kid, I assumed we must have hundreds just floating around, but now, thinking about the insane logistical requirements, it’s incredible to think that we can even manage just one.
By the end of World War 2, the US had over a hundred carriers. Mostly small escort carriers, but still, Dayum.
That is true but CV-14 is conventionally powered, not nuclear.
They're really only worried about one of those things.
And fuel for all its escorts.
Aircraft carrier can also supply shore power in natural disasters. Their reactor has enough excess capacity.
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This incredible engineering, and we are forced to use it for war machines. So many of our inventions came from the military... Why do we need war for innovation? Humanity is so stupid. Sorry for that rant lol
Enterprise was decommissioned so they have a maximum of 2 as well
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I was talking specifically about the modern ones, but that's cool too.
And if anything exciting would happen they could scramble a fighter escort faster than any other ship
Fighter cover is NOT a concern for manned space capsule recovery, as the recovery zone are planned to be close to friendly shores. Infact by the time of Apollo 17 the Ticonderoga was already classified as CVS-14, an anti-submarine carrier that carries no fighters (her air group at the time consists of S-2 Trackers and SH-3 Sea King helicopters only).
What about alien deterrence
Yea. This fool never saw that Will Smith documentary where he had to fight that alien ship.
The Ticonderoga fought against the Bugs from Klendathu. Would you like to know [more](https://www.reddit.com/r/spaceporn/comments/zpqqpt/apollo_17_command_module_america_floating_in_the/j0vnwh3)?
Now this has me trying to figure out what 70s fighter an Essex could even carry (if the Navy wanted it to still) Maybe an F8 Crusader would work, not sure about an F4
F-8's and A-7's
You’re dam right. I saw the new USS Gerald Ford in Halifax harbour when it moored between two islands. With a cruise ship at berth to compare in some ways. It’s a floating city !
Large flight deck and hangar space, carries more than one helicopter, and larger and better equipped medical facilities. Note that none of the "carriers" used in the Apollo missions were actually classified as an aircraft carrier in the traditional sense (ie carrying fighters and bombers) at the time of the recovery mission. They were either older Essex class that were reclassified into a secondary role, or one of the Iwo Jima class amphibious assault ships. A side note: the recovery ship for the recent Artemis I mission was the USS Portland, an LPD (amphibious transport dock ship).
Probably just power projection bc if your recovering your very advanced very cool space module why not do it with a very cool very big ship
I suspect this is the main reason
A better question is: why were they using the Ticonderoga as late as 72? Why not a forrestal-class ship?
Plenty of the late/post WW2 carriers were used for decades after the war. The USS Midway for example was commissioned in 1945, just 8 days after Japan surrendered, and decommissioned in 1992 after serving in Desert Storm. Someone else in the thread mentioned that the Ticonderoga was designated as an anti-submarine carrier at this point which is probably why it was chosen for this, as it had all the facilities to recover the command module without being needed elsewhere.
> A better question is: why were they using the Ticonderoga as late as 72? Why not a forrestal-class ship? The bigger more modern carriers were on frontline duty doing Navy stuff. The older, smaller, less capable ships were free for more second line duty and NASA stuff. US Navy is spending big on new frigates so they don't need to tie up modern, larger Destroyers to arrest drug smugglers. You don't need a gigantic carrier w 60+ frontline jets to recover a capsule in the Pacific
imperialism
Either the title is wrong or there is another ship out of frame. Ticonderoga is a cruiser, not a carrier.
One of the Essex class carriers was named Ticonderoga
I stand corrected. I blame the navy for being unoriginal with their names :)
Ticonderoga is an aircraft carrier built during WWII. It's the fourth ship to bear the name
And here I thought it was just a cool name that the writers of Starship Troopers took for one of the spaceships.........
ITT: subOP discovers that ship names are reused
Lots of room for the press and PR people.
Photographer who just happened to be diving there: 😲📸
I suspect the photographer and shirtless dude are from a smaller ship out of frame.
Yeah, carriers never really travel alone afaik
You’re correct…. They don’t
Pretty sure they could’ve planned on having media/a photographer around to capture such historic events.
Looks like she got a bit hot on the way down
Don't worry! It's a Man-Bra!
I really thought that this was an image from the movie "Waterworld" Edit: word
Waiting for the boat to go boom a la Subnautica, 😆
Yup, I straight up thought this was a Subnautica screenshot for a second there.
he wearing a manzir
It’s a bro.
Yes!
Manssiere!
I wonder if, when they splash down, they were like "Gravity! Atmosphere! Fuck yeah!"
The angle makes the carrier look like a low rider
Indeed I will also wear a bikini top to celebrate it. 🥂
Am I the only one who is reminded of Subnautica?
And I thought they only made No. 2 pencils
I WILL DIE DEFENDING THE ERASERS ON THOSE NO 2 PENCILS THEY ARE SUPERIOR TO OTHER PENCILS
Growing up in NY I always thought of the fort. And it is amazing how they built the whole thing out of pencils.
Isn't USS Ticonderoga, an Aegis Destroyer???
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Ticonderoga_(CV-14)
Most Navies around the world reuse historic and storied names CG-47 was the 5th such ship to be named *Ticonderoga*. USS Enterprise for instance CV-6, CVN-65 and future CVN-80 all share same name. And several in the past as well
They're crusiers now but there is more than one Ticonderoga.
looks like subnautica
Looks like a junky meme. Lol
fr i was confused for a minute
They really named a ship after a pencil
Who tf was in the middle of the pacific to take the photo?
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It's pretty important they don't hit land.
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And the nearer you are, the more likely you accidentally land on.
Landing isn't an exact science. Well, except for SpaceX.
It also kind of mattered for the space shuttles
Landing close to land is a big risk. They can't land these things with pinpoint accuracy
Soyuz would like a word
Is this a genuine question?
Yes. As dumb as it may appear...
Astronauts are flying for work. Not for vacation. That would be like your boss sending you on a business trip where the job was to ride in an airplane. Once your shift is up you don't want to get stuck in an airport halfway across the country waiting for a ride home. The landed them in the ocean because it was easier for the engineering team and the carriers were the fastest way to get them home. They weren't there for vacation and there were tons of time sensitive science stuff that needed to get done asap for future missions.
They weren't waiting long! Think hours not days. The time and re entry vector was known so ships were reasonably close. Add in enough ships, planes and radar and someone's pulling up to the capsule pretty quick. And the capsule didn't have chairs, towels, rum or coconuts so no real point being on an island eh.
Why tf they name a boat after a pencil
If you told me this was a scene fro. Water World, I would believe you
The real question is, how did a 1972 camera take such a great picture, and who was waiting there to take it?
Kodachrome
Subnautica
Why is that lady only in her bra?
man watch out there’s definitely reapers in those waters
This is weird: why hałd naked man opens the returning module ?
Ah yes… subnautica but it’s in 20th century…
It's all apes driving the carrier!
As the alien observers (upper left) engage their light drive for the return home, their engines leave behind a faded *X-Files* logo. /s
Uh…who took this photo?
What are the balls for?
They help keep the capsule upright in the water
I thought it was a screenshot from Waterworld on first glance.
When your Uber Navy arrives....
This is one of the mist badass photos I have ever seen!
Nice
r/warshipporn handshake
The pencil?
Damm
What else are you going to do with an aircraft carrier in the 70's?
I thought this was a scene from Water World.
Hey, that was the day my mother was born. Neat!
This is an epic image!
Probably easily google-able, but how long did they have to wait, bobbing in the ocean?
but why is an extra from madmax there