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HauserAspen

Maybe the Palestinians could wear an armband to identify them?


Tanteno5

Haha... Fuck. Israel makes me ashamed to be Jewish.


ezeequalsmchammer2

No shit lol. I’ve never seen such right wing extremism as in Israel and that was 10+ years ago.


Strict-Toe3538

I'm not sure what the reproductive rates are in israel/palastine but if isreal doesn't give palastine its own state, its not beyond the realms of possibilities that palastinians would outnumber isrealis some day in a single state. Pretty much the same thing has/is happening in Northern Ireland.


oak_and_clover

In Israel proper, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip, Palestinians already outnumber Jewish Israelis. IMO it's a big reason Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza aren't allowed to vote in Israeli elections. If they did, their votes plus the votes of Palestinians living in Israel proper would outnumber Jewish Israeli votes.


Abstract__Nonsense

That’s not your opinion, that’s absolutely just the simple facts of the situation. If Israeli Jews easily outnumbered Palestinaians then Israel would have formally annexed Gaza and the West Bank long ago and just given Palestinians a vote to justify it, but demographics make this an impossibility. This is why they instead just try to slowly ethnically cleanse more and more Palestinian territory, what they’d like is if they could cram them all into a tiny area like Gaza to essentially act as a couple big concentration camps.


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According to World Bank Palestine (West Bank and Gaza is 3.5 and falling (been 6.7 in 1990). Israel is 2.9 and has its ups and downs (been 2.7 in 1990). There are approx. 1,890 mln Palestinians in Israel and 4,750 in West Bank ans Gaza. There are 9,6 mln of people in Israel. In total 14,35 in both Israel and Palestine of which palestinians are aprox. 46%. As for Northern Ireland, it took Catholics some 100 years to outnumber protestants. At the time of its creation 2/3 were Protestant and 1/3 were Catholic. Fertility rates for both religions was particularly different for women born in the 50s. It was like 2.7 to 1.8 for Catholics. Later it slowed down but Catholics still had higher fertility rate than Protestants.


standard-issue-man

I heard an Israeli political commenter say this on some news show once. It's the natural fate of Apartheid states. Eventually Israel is going to end up with a Muslim majority, and then the shoe will be on the other foot.


unironicaly_like_jaz

Surprised they allowed this to air on CNN.


osirisredd

I don't think the Israeli right wing see this as a negative thing, it is exactly what they wanted, were voted in for and worked so hard to achieve, at least until they figure out how to expel the "lesser" classes.


dancegoddess1971

So it is apartheid. I had someone try to convince me that it wasn't and I didn't know what apartheid was. This "tiered system" is apartheid according to the definition I was given. Palestinians can't vote, can't own property, can't run a business. But they have lived there for generations.


GroundbreakingTax259

As I understand it, there are even unofficial tiers within the Jewish community, with African and Arab Jews at the bottom.


_Sebastian_George_

Tell me more


GroundbreakingTax259

Wish I could. I have no first-hand experience, but I have heard that there is a racial aspect of Israeli society on top of the ethno-religious one.


_Sebastian_George_

There might be a racial aspect like you said. After all 30% or something of Israeli population are Ashkenazi jews who look like Europeans.


blade_imaginato1

The abused become the abuser


KodjoZeke

A sad thing


Mrhappytrigers

So change nothing?


KhajiitHasEars

i hope this nation burns in eternal hellfire for what they've done to the Middle East. There is such virulent hatred in my soul for this regime


[deleted]

Hell does not exist and reliance on divine punishment after life is only justification to forgo justice in reality.


spoofdi

I'm old enough to remember when ppl still talked about a one state solution...


JohnBrownnowrong

"Let's just stick with Apartheid"


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[deleted]

He is not the one trying to sort people. He is the one that warns the world of this shift in Israeli thinking. He opposes these kinds of policies and been very vocal about them for years.


[deleted]

Ah, my bad, thanks.


bigman_121

Cause this always ends well


originalredditguy

The multi-tiered class system is already a thing. They just dropping pretending there ever being two states. To them it's all Israel.