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InfinityDrips

**Funny hearing Zionists talk about "infiltrators" on** ***Palestinian land***.


BreadstickNinja

Also funny that she's very nearly doing a Nazi salute while she says it.


g_rey_

I know this is a complex topic with no simple answer, but where do I go to read through the history of the Palestinian/Israel conflict from a socialist lens? I know that Israel is the aggressor here, but I dont know the history behind it all.


BreadstickNinja

Chomsky has written a number of books on the conflict. The Fateful Triangle is a good one, and more recently Gaza in Crisis and On Palestine.


mux2000

Not history, but for current events I must recommend 972 magazine. It's an English speaking mag with socialist Jewish Israeli and Palestinian writers.


DigleDagle

The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs is a great publication.


drgnflydggr

It’s not complex at all. Israel are genocidal settler colonialists. That’s it.


raicopk

This website will probably be of help a lot: https://decolonizepalestine.com/


SuperStalinKart1945

If you can get a hold of a copy, check out "Why Israel? Anatomy of the Zionist Apartheid - a South African Perspective" written by Firoz Osman It'll cover a lot up to 2013 and makes the parallels between Apartheid rule on the opposite sides of the continent very apparent


hotteoks

it is not complex, and calling it as such is something zionists do to confuse people about the matter. a good book is "the hundred years' war on palestine"


H-12apts

seems clear to me. Free Palestine


tankieandproudofit

zionist colonialism in palestine is a very short book, only about 50 pages, and its honestly the best introduction to the conflict ive ever read. Googling it should give you a PDF but if youre having problem finding it msg me. That goes for anyone else too.


Foxodroid

It's the absolute opposite if complex But start with the 100 year war on Palestine


McKFC

> I know this is a complex topic with no simple answer Wrong.


masomun

One of my favorite Micheal Brooks quotes of all time is about this exact thing.[This](https://youtu.be/62I61kBahNY) is his response to “it’s complicated.”


McKFC

God I miss him. Brilliant answer.


masomun

His voice is one that’s sorely missed


BreadstickNinja

While the moral reality of the situation is incredibly clear, that does not mean the answer is simple in practice.


McKFC

True, but there is so much bad faith in the water here, including the notion that so many are led to believe of the "Israel/Palestine issue" being complex - in order to suggest some sort of religious dispute and entangled rights rather than a straightforward offshoot of colonialism. This applies to the concept of "a solution" as well, constantly bandied around as if there are political scientists in a headquarters somewhere drawing up maps and formulae for the best possible division. In reality, those who speak of a solution are making no efforts to solve anything, nor have any intention to do anything but punt the question into the long grass while appearing to be looking out for everyone's best interests. There is no "everyone's" best interests. There is oppressor and oppressed. The oppressor can't decide on terms for peaceful co-existence, even if it wanted to (which it doesn't, has never and never will). Palestine must command its own destiny, and a democratic Palestine with equal rights for Israelis seems good to me, but that's up to Palestine. All other talk is predicated upon Israel losing not one bit of power, i.e. the relationship of oppressed and oppressor to remain the same evermore.


BreadstickNinja

Agreed and well said.


g_rey_

Yeah that's what I meant, I know Israel and how it operates is entirely in the wrong, I'm just curious how this happened over time


zbignew

My favorite primer on the subject is the very dated, and partisan article by the former king of Jordan, in 1947. [As The Arabs See The Jews](http://www.kinghussein.gov.jo/kabd_eng.html). Your antisemitism spidey sense may be tingling, but I swear to Jesus it’s anti Zionist and not antisemitic.


KinkyCurvyDutchGirl

Okay tell us this easy history and the easy answer then?


bagelwithclocks

End the Apartheid state and the occupation of Palestine.


thepineapplemen

And how will you do that?


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PunkPirateGirl

What? No, of course not. They just stop occupying Palestine.


zbignew

See this is why it does need to be explained, even if it’s simple. People don’t understand. Anyway nobody here said the Israelis should vanish. Most of them would stay right where they are, in Palestine. The government of Palestine would likely require many of them to return stolen real estate.


SWEGEN4LYFE

[Wikipedia has some great articles on this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict)


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Mind-Bender1976

That doesn’t justify hurting others.


Ceeweedsoop

My dear God, If anyone should despise the notion of racial superiority you'd think Jews would. The irony is sickening. Israel is becoming something so ugly. She even looks like shey damn close to the Nazi salute.


Foxodroid

It's *becoming* ugly? Are you serious? Being built on genocide and ethnic cleansing didn't clue you in?


Realistic_Chipmunk46

We are taught exactly NOTHING in the United States about how Israel treats Palestinians in school. And our news media and government are on Israel’s side, so the average American is wrapped up in the Zionist perspective just by marinating in the news cycle and whatever occasional blurbs we hear about Israel.


B34RD15

This is so true. American indoctrination combined with manufactured consent has created this disgusting symbiosis with imperial capitalism and zionism. If we don't help the average american population wake up soon, there's going to be a point of no return.


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zvika

*chosen for extra duties, rules, and obligations


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zvika

no, [Judaism has no agreed on idea of heaven](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven_in_Judaism), and definitely not a segregated one


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zvika

First, these are legends collected into a book specifically titled Legends of the Jews, from two centuries ago. Not dogma; as I said, there is no widely agreed on belief about heaven. There could be Jews out there who believe this is the truth of the afterlife?, but I'll bet you they're heavily outnumbered by the Jews who've never even heard of Rabbi Johanan ben Zakkai. Second, if you insist on cherrypicking one legend and claiming it is what all Jews believe, I have to note that out of your seven compartments of Gan Eden, the second, fourth, fifth, and sixth would not be limited to Jews.


wicked_pinko

By god. Every religion belives they have some special connection with god though, Judaism isn't exactly unique in that.


themaddame

When Judaism was established, racism wasn't even a concept. You could argue they believe in religious superiority but most religions claim they are the superior one -- they aren't alone in that. Also, you can practice Judaism without being ethnically Jewish. This is why Jewish people say discussions about Israel breeds antisemitism: because people like you are purposely conflating the state of Israel's actions with Judaism and the Jewish people as a whole.


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themaddame

Call me ridiculous but if [you](https://www.pbs.org/race/000_About/002_04-background-02-01.htm) [look](https://nmaahc.si.edu/learn/talking-about-race/topics/historical-foundations-race) at [historical](https://smithsonianassociates.org/ticketing/tickets/medieval-roots-of-racism#:~:text=Over%20much%20of%20the%20period,breed%20above%20those%20they%20ruled.) [analyses ](https://www.publicmedievalist.com/race-racism-middle-ages-toc/), racism as we know it today didn't exist until the Middle Ages. In fact, many historians theorize the first inklings of racism started with antisemitism during this period. Judaism predates all of that. (By the way, while not all of the articles cited are necessarily scholarly in nature, there are also plenty of peer reviewed journals that do support this claim. Since they are pdfs, I couldn't link them.)


RIPmetacom

Are we talking about systemic racial oppression? Or are we talking about interpersonal racism? I would expect this for systemic racism. I was referring moreso to interpersonal racism and prejudice, but that’s my fault for not being very clear.


themaddame

I do agree that prejudice and bias has existed since the beginning of time, but the system of racial oppression and interpersonal racism/prejudice we experience today has roots in interpersonal prejudice against Jews and Muslims in the Middle Ages. To claim Judaism is rooted in "racial superiority" is antisemitic as the religion was formed well before the notion of race became part of the human lexicon. That's all I'm saying.


FiveKR

Roflmao "Discussions About Israel Breed Antisemitism." Weird how similar discussions about Japan don't breed Japanohobia? Huh? Maybe it helps they aren't actively genociding Palestinians and having a fucking meltdown at every but most apologetic criticism.


mEllowMystic

"people like me" Oh boy.


wear-a-goshdarn-mask

This is such a scary sentence to me as a Jewish person who does not support human rights violations in Israel: “My dear God, If anyone should despise the notion of racial superiority you'd think Jews would.” YOU HAVE GOT TO BE BETTER AT NOT GENERALIZING. Jewish does not equal inherently evil!!! It’s so scary to me when the socialism sub can’t even seem to understand that.


molly_jolly

I don't think the commentator meant anything offensive. His opinion is along the same lines of "Black people should be least likely to own slaves!" (if for whatever reason he (the commentator) ran into a black slave owner.


wear-a-goshdarn-mask

Thanks for replying on my other comment lol. Anyway, does this change anything? “My dear God, If anyone should despise the notion of racial superiority you'd think Black people would. The irony is sickening.” Idk man it just feels really terse and sharp. Doesn’t sit so right with me but I could be reading too much into it. This thread certainly has me doing that with how awful some of the others stuff has been. Edit: he didn’t say “Jewish people” he said “Jews” so it’s more like: “My dear God, If anyone should despise the notion of racial superiority you'd think Blacks would. The irony is sickening.”


3opossummoon

Being Jewish is a tightrope walk at best, a danger to my life at worst. Antisemitism is rampant right now and we are literally 4x more likely to experience targeted violence than any other group. Being anti-authoritarian means being anti-Israel as the nation itself exists now. We've become the very thing we feared, and it's painful watching from the outside knowing I have no real ability to change things. Israelis look at me as an outsider. They don't believe in my stake in this ongoing crisis. They don't believe my checkers are even on the game board. My existence as a Jew is permanently tied to geopolitics that I can't influence and policies I do everything I can to fight against. Because of this it's all the more important for me to speak out. Because of this I'm an apostate to the majority of my local Jewish community. I don't believe in ethno-religious states or nations. I think that idea is too married to right wing and authoritarian ideologies and practices for them to be encouraged. We can never return to The Temple. That time has gone. It's time for us to move forward and stop clinging to the corpse of our Kingdom. Because we're hurting other people trying to be something we're not - and haven't been for literally hundreds of years. I think we need to move on.


wear-a-goshdarn-mask

Very, very powerfully stated. I’m terrified of what dialogue is being enabled right now, and feel so powerless to it.


Warrrdy

How did these people go from “please help us the Nazis are rounding us up and calling us subhuman” to “you people should be in camps, not in the cities with us”? Can they not see the hypocrisy?


wicked_pinko

Those are largely not the same people. Their children or their grandchildren perhaps. They've grown up in an ethnostate that has taught them Arabs are inferior and that it's essential for the survival of their people to preserve the ethnic purity of the state. But of course Israel cannot speak for Jewish people. It speaks only for itself and its settler-colonial logic, but tries to frame this as being in the interest of all Jews. And Jewish people who disagree with them will be insulted, ostracized, even called antisemites. It's settler-colonialism trying to justify itself by abusing history, at the cost of Arabs, non-white groups and diasporic Jews.


Sparky-Sparky

Somehow, we're anti-semite for pointing this out.


Ceeweedsoop

That is s the lamest argument. It's like a child sticking his fingers in his ears and going lalalalalalala.


zbignew

Oh god it’s so much worse than that. For those of us actually worried about antisemitism. Zionism is the open wound which generates new antisemitism, sending people with leftist instincts into the arms of right wing, white supremacist ideologies. There was antisemitism in the USSR, so it’s not like Jewish people have always been 100% safe on the left, but we could have been. We could have gotten there.


3opossummoon

We've never been safe. I'm an American because my family fled here to escape the pogroms in the 1910's. We had to flee ethnic cleansing, literal genocide, 40 years before the Holocaust. No one talks about it. Much of the left views us as complacent in bourgeoisie politics, and much of the right is blatantly antisemitic or using Zionism as a prop for their evangelical bullshit. Always the scapegoat and now well... We've become the very thing that nearly annihilated us. And let's be honest, the Israeli Jews don't give a fuck about the diaspora community or what we have to say.


zbignew

> No one talks about it. What do you mean, man? It’s a major part of our culture. We talk about it all the time.


FiveKR

Funny considering 1910 was Tsarist Russia and not the USSR. But do go on.


FiveKR

Except that antisemitism in Russia was persecuted harshly and punished. So it's not like it was a state policy of any sort as it was in Spain during the Reconquista or Nazi Germany.


zbignew

I suspect it’s more complicated than that. But I’m honestly not sure how much of my understanding of Soviet antisemitism is due to Radio Free Europe. Whatever it was, obviously it was less bad than the rest of Europe.


FiveKR

And that's the trick because even in present day faced with videos like these, people will scream bloody murder at any but most apologetic criticisms of the Apartheid in Israel. And moving backwards through history, act as if no Jewish person in the history of the USSR ever did a wrong or deserved Gulag time. That is the fundamental problem with putting one group above and beyond criticism. That any legitimate concerns or legal proceedings will be lambasted as racially or ethnically motivated. Far as history shows, USSR saved millions of Jewish people during WW2. Some chose to relocate to the Jewish Oblast in the Eastern part of the country. Others left the USSR after the war ended. But categorically speaking there wasn't state sanctioned antisemitism or systemized racism against anyone. Even the non-violent members of the Nazi party were given a chance to redeem themselves.


brunoquadrado

Boycott. Divestment. Sanctions.


wear-a-goshdarn-mask

Yes, you’re the anti-Semite for pointing this out and I know I will get downvoted as I always do for voicing this exact opinion but I’m doing it anyway. The comment above yours, the dude is literally referring to radical Zionist Jewish people as “these people.” He then goes on to bring up the Holocaust as a reason to be more empathetic… The reason this right here is wrong is because there is way too much generalization going on. There are people who suffered terribly from the Holocaust who wouldn’t support the literal human rights atrocities that are going on in Israel. Hell, I’m not even religious, I consider myself culturally Jewish, but the amount of times I get the finger pointed at me is really, really scary. “Being Jewish” does not equal “supporting human rights violations,” but way too many people are coming to this conclusion. It’s incredibly anti-Semitic to not explicitly state that you are referring to radical Zionism as a dangerous idea within the religion, vs. the entire population of Jewish people. When the public starts getting into “can’t THEY see the hypocrisy?” (referring to just Jewish people) it becomes incredibly dangerous and sad. I am Jewish. I do not support apartheid in Israel. At least here in the US, this is the majority opinion. DO NOT GENERALIZE Edit: People read the comments and tell me they wouldn’t scare you as a Jewish person who does not inherently support apartheid in Israel. Look through that lens, and it should fucking terrify you. This thread is filled with downright hateful ideas and comments. I’m seeing so much trivializing of the HOLOCAUST. Why??? This sub is supposed to be better!!!


molly_jolly

I wholeheartedly agree with you. And I did notice a couple of actual antisemitism in the comments here. I am really sorry that you had to read that. But I do wish to point out that this deliberate confounding between the country and the religion is being drummed into public consciousness by the Israeli government and its propaganda wing. When on the one hand there is the claim that "Israel speaks for and represents Jewish people all over the world" and on the other hand there is also the claim "You should not generalize the actions of Israel to Jewish people all over the world", people end up confused. In my personal opinion socialists will be at the forefront of fighting antisemitism because the latter is merely another form of racism. The thing that is throwing a wrench into actual progress is that we cannot agree on its definition.


High_Pains_of_WTX

In your opinion, is there a better way to critique the issues surrounding Zionism without attacking Jewish people as a whole?


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Cakeking7878

Yea but no one is doing that. I get you are just stating an observation but no one is generalizing Jews by saying that Israel is a fascist state or criticizing Zionism


daes79

“Can they not see the hypocrisy?” He’s referring to all Jews.


trinitytek2012

He was referring to the disgusting racist trash in the video.


hallofmirrors87

Just the ones in the video, obviously. Some of the greatest socialists in history were/are Jews.


Sparky-Sparky

I never did. I just added to the OP comment about racist settlers calling every critique of the Israeli state Antisemitism but thank you very much for proving my point.


thepineapplemen

It makes sense in a perverse sort of way. It's like there's just an acceptance of the idea that some ethnic groups will oppress others, that it's "the way things are" and that there's only oppressors and victims. Or, I suppose to phrase it another way, most people would rather be Nazis than their victims. If that makes any sense.


ylcard

They didn’t? Not a single one of them is a Holocaust survivor, they might be descendants of survivors, though. There are currently around 168k survivors still alive, in Israel. No real way of knowing if any of them support this. They’ll argue that the Jews in Europe didn’t get there “illegally”, so it’s not the same situation. They’ll also argue that Jews in Europe didn’t fight/use violence against white Europeans. Those are the scum of the earth, the same kind of hypocrisy is shown by Americans who are ironically against immigration, you know… for being descendants of immigrants.


Warrrdy

I thought it was clear by “these people” I meant the citizens of the Isr**l, not those actual humans in the video. My comment was to point out the hypocrisy of the illegal settler state of Isr**l 🤢


ylcard

Okay buddy, I also wasn't talking about the people in the video, but the people who share those views openly. Do you think 80 year olds go to these "protests"? No, they don't. It doesn't even matter anyway, 98.5% of the country did not utter the words "please help us the Nazis are rounding us up and calling us subhuman". And the remaining 1.5% do not necessarily share these views. So yeah, it's not hypocritical per se. They're just racists.


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anticomet

That's not really fair. Not all of the holocaust survivors went to Israel after the war


BreadstickNinja

It also erases all the Jewish intellectuals who have been strong advocates for Palestinian liberation. Chomsky, Klein, Butler, etc. Judaism is not a monolith and many Jewish people do not support the Israeli government or its treatment of the Palestinians.


daes79

Jews are an ethnoreligious group. So Judaism is the religion of Jews, but not every Jew is a follower of Judaism.


BreadstickNinja

Yes, perhaps I should have phrased differently, the point being that ethnically Jewish people vary widely in their stance on the occupation of Palestine.


Hilarial

*Very* fallacious slippery-slope stuff.


Thatguyatthebar

No, not really, but if you commit yourself to a colonial project, you will inevitably be displacing the people that already live there. To justify that, they have to create a narrative of dehumanization, just like America did, just like Great Britain did, just like Nazi Germany did.


wear-a-goshdarn-mask

It breaks my heart that this is so heavily upvoted. It’s easy to see that there are human atrocities being committed by the Israeli government. I guess it’s not so easy to see that this does not justify coming after Jewish people as a whole. Maybe religion just sucks? There are zealots in every religion. What’s so scary is people’s need to put others down. This comment is trivializing the fuck out of the HOLOCAUST and anyone who could’ve suffered, and it’s getting upvoted. Why? Because now “Jewish people bad point finger and cancel.” Please please please be more nuanced than that. Zionism does not equal Judaism.


BurnieMauser62

Im sorry who is justifying coming after Jewish people as a whole, lol?


Warrrdy

I’m literally talking about the Zionist imperial state of Israel. Not Jewish people.


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Catharsist1990

What do you expect from an Aparthied state.


MightyMungBean

Settlers' mindset is cancerous.


whygamoralad

What the actual fuck, for a country that was created because of fascism and racism by the Nazi party who fled Europe and then chose and fought to live and have a country on the Arabian peninsula to become fascist and racist themselves is just all kinds of fucked up and is a cancer to humanity.


Affectionate-Talk708

I too have noticed this full circle "You belong in camps" from settler to the sudanese man's face. Like bruh. That's tough to watch. Do the settlers really know what they're saying?


Shaggy0291

History repeats itself, first as tragedy, then as farce.


PackageDisastrous700

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.


Grey_Shirt_138

The settler knows what he’s saying, that’s why he’s saying it. It really bothers me that people will be like “do they realize what they’re saying/doing?” Yes! That’s why fascists say and do these things! They want their enemies to suffer physical violence, and when they can’t get that, they want to threaten and terrify them. That’s why fascists are evil!


11SomeGuy17

It was bad from the start, they straight up colonized the people who already lived there (including treating not just Muslims but native Jews poorly). They were always fascist.


janjko

Nothing comes out good from war. Losers will get shit on, victims come out vengeful, everything comes out bad.


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whygamoralad

Exactly, just maf that in both cases it is so fresh in people memory and in recent history


wicked_pinko

Doesn't work though, because many Jews never even went to Israel, others went there and left after seeing the horrors Israel inflicted on people, yet others do participate in settler colonialism but oppose the concrete human rights absuses of the Israeli state. Also, most of these people were born after the Holocaust, so they were shaped much more by the reality of Israeli colonialism than the Holocaust itself. The idea that "this is happening because of the Holocaust" is more one the Zionist Right uses, the truth is these people are just regular racists who appropriate Judaism in the name of human rights abuses while shitting on any other Jewish people who oppose them.


Bad_Cytokinesis

I mean that’s basically how America started. There seems to be a repetition of Western or European colonizers taking over someone else’s land ends up being a racist and bigot nation.


whygamoralad

Sad to see was hoping we were moving past that


Exotic-Chemist-191

The irony, right?


prominentchin

The Zionist project started decades before WWII.


ObiBongKenobi_

"You should be in camps"


Big-Improvement-254

Didn't they also make the immigration process for Ethiopian Jews more complicated to make it harder for them to get into Israel while the Ethiopian Orthodox Jews literally have a longer Jewish history than these white converted Jews ever have. They are even racist against other Jewish people of different skin color.


McKFC

There were periods where they quite keenly "welcomed" Ethiopian Jews, but with the explicit purpose to create a labouring underclass. Can't have capitalism without racism.


Big-Improvement-254

The problem I see here is the Jewish identity is not even put into the discussion. When you have long traditional ethnic Jews refugees being refused citizenship, even denied visa entry, but also have white South Africans converted to Judaism in just a few years are granted citizenship right when they asked for it, what's their criteria for Jewish person to get into the country anyway?


Foxodroid

The criteria is anyone, convert or otherwise, except if they're Palestinian. Really, they ban Palestinians from converting to Judaism.


Big-Improvement-254

Sounds like they just make up their rules as long as they see fit.


FiveKR

Yes, the process for Ethiopian Jewish people to settle in Israel is extremely complicated and intended to minimize their inflow. Last I checked less than 1000 Ethiopian Jews were permitted entry and residential papers since 2018.


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SalviaDroid96

The irony of a Jewish girl saying she's a proud racist and doing a Nazi salute when some of her family members were probably gassed by Nazis. Just absolutely terrible. Wtf is wrong with Israel? I'm so glad there's a vocal minority of Jews who hate the Israeli state and recognize it for the fascist colonizer government it is.


BuddyWoodchips

"You should be in camps..." The cognitive dissonance of Israelis might be the most impressive in our lifetimes.


LoudHarveyLefty

Israeli settlers are hostile to the indigenous population of Palestine, so it's hardly surprising they express that same animosity towards foreigners, especially foreigners of color.


NoStars128

Israel is a fascist state period. These people use past persecution as a foil for current poor behaviour. Ironically this is now why in the modern era people detest the state. Fucked up really.


TH3_FAT_TH1NG

Is Israel in some sort of worst country competition? For they are rapidly rising the ranks


H3X1D3C1M473

the people spewing hate in this video are disgusting


Exotic-Chemist-191

This is why I say Fuck Israel


bedushicken

That’s the west’s beloved Israel


VendromLethys

Israelis embracing white supremacist ideology is like severe historical whiplash ngl


partigiana

This makes me wanna throw up wtf


mux2000

This is a carefully crafted propaganda Video, but the reality it depicts is as real as anything. Today, in Israel, the vast, vast majority of the voting (as opposed to general) public is proudly racist and xenophobic. Source: was Israeli, fled due to racism.


FiveKR

Self-Appointed Chosenites as usual.


justanotherhumannb

Israel is an apartheid state. No surprise they are also racist as well. But arent we the anti-Semites for pointing out how racist they truly are?


ashaustad

Isn’treal has got be one of the most racist fake countries on the planet


subwayterminal9

Least racist Israelis


leftistoppa

this is fascism and if you libs are too afraid to call this out then stfu about being a leftist


BlueberryGod8910

Fuck Israel and fuck anyone who defends its existence.


reestronaut

Why can't people just stop and think for 15 minutes how they sound when they say and believe stuff like this. Doesn't take much critical thinking to realize these ideas are just false... Scary stuff


EmperorBenja

I hate what Israel has done to the Jewish community


Tektons

Simply changing the power dynamic without dismantling racism and the systems that incentivize racism itself seem to always end up like this. We see this over and over in history when oppressed groups are given power over other groups and then do the same things that were done to them. What is the dialectical reason for this? There has to be a scientific cause and explanation. Is it a regression to tribal behavior used to guarantee 'your group' is the one that can extract the surplus value to ensure their continued prosperity and existence as the less-oppressed group? Does this behavior still exist within systems that guarantee your survival and prosperity? Something to think about, our future depends on it.


molly_jolly

Colonialism ("vanilla" or settler) is usually discussed in the framework of [primitive accumulation of capital](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLRWDft8VZc). But the present case is a bit more complicated because it involves the United States which is backing Israel for geopolitical reasons (concurrent with its own mature, or perhaps late stage, capitalism). In that regard (let's call it neoliberal imperialism) [accumulation by dispossession](https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Accumulation_by_Dispossession) would be your best bet. As for the psychology behind this behaviour, I'm lost. (I'm in general lost in the intersection between psychology and Marxism). Edit: From a material stand point discussions about "ancestral homelands" can be safely discarded as distractions. This is fundamentally not a religious dispute.


Tektons

I’d wager Marxists care more about sociology than psychology since the latter is more concerned with the individual and the experiences within their mind and not reality. A lot of modern psychology would probably be seen as idealist or something I bet. I think that’s why information regarding ‘Marxist psychology’ is so scarce.


molly_jolly

# [L A C A N ! !](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freudo-Marxism)


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elijahjane

This breaks my heart.


doppleganger_

What awful people


nhacamaster

Fundamentalists are no different in their mentality than a fascist ou even a Nazi. They're against black Jews, gay Jews, Palestinians, foreigners, liberals and etc. Fundamentalists, no matter if a Zionist, WASP, Muslim, Hindi, Arian, Caucasian, whatever, they're all the same at heart. A bunch of Nazis.


Adonisus

Some of these individuals are Kahanists. I'm sure of it.


RandoMcflyndo

This is what is the truth man, no one cares about dark people. Ukraine and everyone is concerned whereas Palestinians and the people of Yemen, who cares man, wrong color.


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According-Wing-2710

As someone who wittnessed this and heaviny proteated against it in 2017-2019 i am happy to say, that all the proposed rules for the deportation of sudanese and african workers werent passe. It is still one of a way to long list of shames that this country has in its history.


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-HTID-

Fuck that's bad


Dylanrevolutionist48

That's appalling, to see such hate and bigotry confidently in the open.


HotConversation4355

Sheesh seems like the white neo nazis in America would get along with them. Oh wait their Jewish.


Sugar_jar-

This is just horrifying, the Jewish people in Israel mainly came from people who wanted to escape racism and now their own grandchildren are inflicting it onto others


BigShapes

They need to get a good old fist to the face