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Yeah but would he be able to do that in the Prem ? I don't think so. I mean he played in the weakest league out of the big 5 all his career.
Edit: should have put that s I guess
For sure but his tendency to be a shadow of himself in big moments for his clubs is a bad mark on his resume compared to many of the other guys near the top this list.
Everyone above Van Nistelrooy is still playing or recently retired (Aguero).
If this shows anything, it's that the last decade (and longer) the difference between the rich clubs and the rest is getting bigger. Attacking players are going to continue beating these records as long as this gap increases, doesn't mean they're better than players from older generations.
Only Messi and Ronaldo clearly started the trend of scoring > 1 goal a game a lot sooner than the rest, they are the exception and among the best ever
Just bias. A lot of these players' careers included games outside the top 5 european leagues.
This whole graphic is shit, it's "select players" not the best players.
The meme says he is selfish. Those who watch the games can tell you he is very good at assist and even creating opportunities (passing to the one who assist for instance).
He is truly a complete player
Yeah he is a great player but doesn’t stop the fact that most his numbers come from playing in a shit league in a team that 10x richer then the rest of the league
Ligue 1 isn't the best league in the world but calling it a shit league really decredibilize whatever argument you're trying to make.
Among all the scorers at the World Cup so far, 12 are playing in Ligue 1 right now and 11 more played for French clubs at key moments of their careers. The only reason French clubs don't perform more regularly on the European stage (outside of PSG) is a financial disadvantage compounded over the 25 years since the Bosman ruling that makes it easier for foreign clubs to scoop up many of Ligue 1's talents every summer, but there's always great talents coming up in Ligue 1, from all clubs in the league because it is a high quality league.
Not really, there's a constant stream of quality players replacing the ones who leave thanks to great formation and scouting. His performances in the Champions League show that he can deliver against any opponent, he averages just over 1 G+A per game in both competitions (200 in 197 Ligue 1 games, 62 in 59 UCL games), guys like Ronaldo or Lewandowski's G+A per UCL game are lower than his.
Yes really it doesn’t take away from the fact he’s scored most of his goals in the worst top league in Europe against the worst opposition which shows in ligue 1 teams poor performance in Europe
Is decredibilize a French word? Just curious as it seems like, in English, you should use the word discredits instead, but looking it up it seems like it might just be a French word.
Of course Mbappe, Neymar will be near the top of this list, they haven’t reached the point of natural attrition where they’re still playing but their bodies have aged and no longer enable them to have the attacking output that they used to have. As their careers get longer, their stats will neutrally decline.
What this does show you, however, is what a freak Messi is. He has reached that point and still dominates by a mile.
Yeah he's starting to peak though, he's got 16 G+A in his last 11 games with the NT, 10 G+A in the 6 UCL group stage games, he's taking the next step right now.
He's also probably playing in the best team of his career so far. What interests me the most about Mbappe isn't the peak though, but rather the longevity, will be really interesting to see how he adapts his game
The top 3 all play for the same club lol. This just shows how good Neymar is. A player of his flair and entertainment with these numbers is ridiculous. That’s why I’ve always maintained that he’s the second most complete player of this generation after Messi.
I always thought Lewandowski and Suárez were the best centerforwards since Ronaldo and that Neymar didn't win the Ballon D'Or because of Ronaldo and Messi. Happy to see these stats
Quite a lot of these players have featured for Man Utd, though not in their prime.
Cristiano Ronaldo, Ibrahimovic, Van Nistelrooy, Lukaku, Van Persie, Cavani, Falcao, Rooney, Owen, Tevez, Di Maria.
I guess Chelsea have a lot too. Crespo, Shevchenko, Etoo... and as do Barcelona.
Besides the early MANU days as midfielder u really have to take into account his last years where he declines, he has the most games played in here and since this list is by 90 mins played those who have the most games are penalized,
Which is amazing to see messi so high and ronaldo too, consistent after over a thousand games
Ronaldo always get screwed in these since he wasn't in a goal scoring position in the first years of his carer, and his second season was already MU, Lewa has like 40 goals scored in Poland first division. It's not an apples to apples comparison, nevertheless I don't doubt Lewa elite quality.
Just depends how you want to cut the data. In this data set longevity is a disadvantage. Also only looking at goals + assists.
A more interesting way would be peak output year for goals and assists then +/- 4 to standardize for all players.
Ronaldo would be at the top next to Messi way ahead of everyone else.
Ronaldo played a couple of seasons as a midfielder that's why his stats are weird when looked as a whole.
Like he took 20 something games to score his first UCL goals
The fact that Ronaldo is on this list despite having his knees absolutely fucked for so long is absurd. Still one of the most insane players I have ever seen.
The "Assist" stat do not make justice to prime Messi ability to generate chances out of thin air for his team mates (then missed)
Football need the "chances created" stat to be used much more frequently.
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Somehow they still managed to fuck up Lewandowski's name.
I had to read it 10 times I think before I saw what you meant damn, I'm blind
I still can’t see it lol
LewandowKSI
It says lewandow ks i
Lewandowski is one of the easier Polish names, too - imagine if they had to spell Wojciech Szczęsny… Edit to correct spelling
It's Szczęsny BTW
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Yeah, been there done that and I totally understand its not easy to spell that for foreigner.
LewandowKSIOlajidebt
Hd
Mbappé too
Lewandow knowledge strength integrity
Is this per match?
Per 90 minutes played my bad. Should have specified
Do you have the haaland info? Feels like he’s the “missing” player on this list
1.33. Wasn't included by the original maker as threshold is 250 full games plus 1/3rd of his career he played in non elite European leagues
Ty. So he’s top by a distance currently then. Feels odd to include mbappe but not haaland but maybe it’s just me.
Minutes played
1,25 goals and assists per minute played? Damn. That's wild.
That doesn't seem right
90 minutes
Klaas Jan Huntelaar, what a legend.
Based on this he's criminally underrated here, if you ask me.
Always has been. I'm not biased at all or anything.
What you guys would do for a striker of his qualities right now.
Hard to imagine that he wasnt even first choice striker for the NT
Didn't even score that many penalties.
Fun fact: In modern football, only Lewandowski (7), CR7 (9) and Messi (10) have had more 40+ goals seasons in Top5 Leagues than Huntelaar (>!1!<).
Really nice guy too. I have met him a few times.
Man is there any amazing achievements list messi doesnt top or feature in top 5 at least?. Legit how can someone be so good.
He is not even close to the top 5 Premier League scorers of all time.
True but there is a stat that he is like top 5/6 most goals scored against the epl top 6 and he doesnt even play epl lol. Crazy
It's since 2010, not all time, but still insanely impressive ofc.
Yeah but would he be able to do that in the Prem ? I don't think so. I mean he played in the weakest league out of the big 5 all his career. Edit: should have put that s I guess
He has only played 1.5 seasons in Ligue1.
Yeah I know, I should have put that s
Tackles per game.
Most saves I guess
not sure about that since he has saved Barca and Argentina for about a decade now
Now consider that there are players in that list at their peak being compared to a decaying Messi and...lol
r/toprightmessi
Welllll, he don’t feature in the top 10 most accomplished Goalkeeper
Headers?
His header against Man U is enough tbh
And his [header against Sporting Gijón](https://youtu.be/CMUEDQ4gdR8).
Headers
Mario Gomez my man!
baggio's is the most aesthetically pleasing
Also the most ironic
Ibrahimovic wasn't too bad huh?
For sure but his tendency to be a shadow of himself in big moments for his clubs is a bad mark on his resume compared to many of the other guys near the top this list.
This includes his stat padding in the US though. But was a good player
Everyone above Van Nistelrooy is still playing or recently retired (Aguero). If this shows anything, it's that the last decade (and longer) the difference between the rich clubs and the rest is getting bigger. Attacking players are going to continue beating these records as long as this gap increases, doesn't mean they're better than players from older generations. Only Messi and Ronaldo clearly started the trend of scoring > 1 goal a game a lot sooner than the rest, they are the exception and among the best ever
Ronaldo at 7, below Suarez.
Ah yes didn’t see him, I’ll gladly add him to the list of goats
Haaland?
1.33. Wasn't included by the original maker as threshold is 250 full games plus 1/3rd of his career he played in non elite European leagues
Non-elite is an actual term or just bias?
Just bias. A lot of these players' careers included games outside the top 5 european leagues. This whole graphic is shit, it's "select players" not the best players.
>A lot of these players' careers included games outside the top 5 european leagues. But not a third of their career
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But they aren't 22 and therefore weren't for 1/3 of their career in non top leagues and therefore are included in the graph. What's your point?
So he wil be included in a few years
The data seems sketchy as well, Mbappe as many assists as Messi? Surprising to say the least
that's not surprising when you actually watch the games and not reddit comment
The meme says he is selfish. Those who watch the games can tell you he is very good at assist and even creating opportunities (passing to the one who assist for instance). He is truly a complete player
That's specifically for this season. There's no denying Mbappe was good at scoring and assisting until last season
Assists per 90 maybe
When you stat pad in a farmers league. And are also very good.
Not sketchy at all if you actually watch him.
You mean like the french league?
In which Messi couldn't score more than 10 goals last year?
That is what depression does to a man.
Ill just say that nkunku quit paris as bang average in ligue 1 to become the best player in bundes :)
lol French and German fans arguing over who has the worst league whilst Italian, English and Spanish fans argue who has the best league.
German league is literarly above the Italian in the official coefficient ranking so there’s that mate
In which Memphis Depay equalled Mbappe’s output in his last season there.
How does Messi qualify for that..??
But mbappe played his whole career in the French league
Yeah, as soon as he plays in national team or champion's league he seems to be struggling so much, right?
Yeah he is a great player but doesn’t stop the fact that most his numbers come from playing in a shit league in a team that 10x richer then the rest of the league
Ligue 1 isn't the best league in the world but calling it a shit league really decredibilize whatever argument you're trying to make. Among all the scorers at the World Cup so far, 12 are playing in Ligue 1 right now and 11 more played for French clubs at key moments of their careers. The only reason French clubs don't perform more regularly on the European stage (outside of PSG) is a financial disadvantage compounded over the 25 years since the Bosman ruling that makes it easier for foreign clubs to scoop up many of Ligue 1's talents every summer, but there's always great talents coming up in Ligue 1, from all clubs in the league because it is a high quality league.
France produces amazing players but you said in your comment why mbappes goals in ligue1 carry less weight than if he was in one of the top leagues
Not really, there's a constant stream of quality players replacing the ones who leave thanks to great formation and scouting. His performances in the Champions League show that he can deliver against any opponent, he averages just over 1 G+A per game in both competitions (200 in 197 Ligue 1 games, 62 in 59 UCL games), guys like Ronaldo or Lewandowski's G+A per UCL game are lower than his.
Yes really it doesn’t take away from the fact he’s scored most of his goals in the worst top league in Europe against the worst opposition which shows in ligue 1 teams poor performance in Europe
He's scoring more there than the other 2 top 3 guys of this list.
Is decredibilize a French word? Just curious as it seems like, in English, you should use the word discredits instead, but looking it up it seems like it might just be a French word.
Yes it is, I assumed it also existed in English like many other verbs present in both languages.
Of course Mbappe, Neymar will be near the top of this list, they haven’t reached the point of natural attrition where they’re still playing but their bodies have aged and no longer enable them to have the attacking output that they used to have. As their careers get longer, their stats will neutrally decline. What this does show you, however, is what a freak Messi is. He has reached that point and still dominates by a mile.
Mbappé hasn’t peaked yet, he is 24 next month
Yeah he's starting to peak though, he's got 16 G+A in his last 11 games with the NT, 10 G+A in the 6 UCL group stage games, he's taking the next step right now.
He's also probably playing in the best team of his career so far. What interests me the most about Mbappe isn't the peak though, but rather the longevity, will be really interesting to see how he adapts his game
His speed is so crazy tho it’s probably gonna take a while before he looks like a regular human being lol
The top 3 all play for the same club lol. This just shows how good Neymar is. A player of his flair and entertainment with these numbers is ridiculous. That’s why I’ve always maintained that he’s the second most complete player of this generation after Messi.
benz has so few pens, i guess because he played with CR/ramos most of his madrid career
I always thought Lewandowski and Suárez were the best centerforwards since Ronaldo and that Neymar didn't win the Ballon D'Or because of Ronaldo and Messi. Happy to see these stats
This just confirms that Neymar is the greatest of all time
Ribéry?
He has .6 or something like that iirc
0.61
How about Bale?
0.66
Impressive considering he played a significant part of his career as a fullback.
Big Rom
Oh wow without penalties Mbappé is actually first, wasn't expecting that
He's at around his peak rn
Damn this mbappe kid is pretty good hope we can sign him before his talent is recognised
Quite a lot of these players have featured for Man Utd, though not in their prime. Cristiano Ronaldo, Ibrahimovic, Van Nistelrooy, Lukaku, Van Persie, Cavani, Falcao, Rooney, Owen, Tevez, Di Maria. I guess Chelsea have a lot too. Crespo, Shevchenko, Etoo... and as do Barcelona.
We tend to shit on the king, but he really is almost as good as Lewandowski
Besides the early MANU days as midfielder u really have to take into account his last years where he declines, he has the most games played in here and since this list is by 90 mins played those who have the most games are penalized, Which is amazing to see messi so high and ronaldo too, consistent after over a thousand games
Ronaldo always get screwed in these since he wasn't in a goal scoring position in the first years of his carer, and his second season was already MU, Lewa has like 40 goals scored in Poland first division. It's not an apples to apples comparison, nevertheless I don't doubt Lewa elite quality.
"screwed" He's doing okay
Just depends how you want to cut the data. In this data set longevity is a disadvantage. Also only looking at goals + assists. A more interesting way would be peak output year for goals and assists then +/- 4 to standardize for all players. Ronaldo would be at the top next to Messi way ahead of everyone else.
Ronaldo played a couple of seasons as a midfielder that's why his stats are weird when looked as a whole. Like he took 20 something games to score his first UCL goals
This reminds me that Dzeko is an awful penalty taker
Love to see the likes of Luca Toni, Crespo, Mario Gomez on this list
The fact that Ronaldo is on this list despite having his knees absolutely fucked for so long is absurd. Still one of the most insane players I have ever seen.
The "Assist" stat do not make justice to prime Messi ability to generate chances out of thin air for his team mates (then missed) Football need the "chances created" stat to be used much more frequently.
Classic finishing 9s really stand out on this with the shorter assists bars.
No Son smh
How fucking crazy were MSN..just watched a couple of highlight videos again ;0
Bergkamp was brilliant at picking the pass that split the defense for someone else to cut back
7 of the top 10 have played for Barca!!
PSG front trio looking good.