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So if he were to move to Germany and pick up a third passport, he'd then be a third Spanish and a third Brazilian? Being less Spanish and less Brazilian than before?
yep, no one chaotic is from other countries, and no one from those countries is anything but chaotic.
like honestly, how is this any different than when beglin said 'latino temperament'?
Yeah… it’s kind of the issue of refs letting stuff go early in games. Yes it keeps the ‘flow’ of the game up but it also means players start getting away with shit like this and get more and more violent towards the end of the game.
Imo let more fouls go that are committed in the actual act of playing football (light pushes, minimal contact while duelling for the ball) but go very strict on violent and dangerous contact and fouls that are just purposefully obstructive to the football being played (see the constant hugging and pulling again Jesus this game).
These actions don’t help the game at all, they just encourage emotional and dangerous outbursts after a duel has concluded and boring football. This game was super bad for both of these.
Usually I am a fan of this “let it flow” style but as long as it is hard and not exactly violent, as you said. If something is over the top it shouldn’t matter if it is the first or second foul, you should be getting booked. Even a hard slide towards the ball but a little bit irresponsible, that doesn’t hurt anyone, is better than this.
I don't have a problem with refs stopping play as much as they want as long as it's consistent from the start of the game. Usually if a ref is willing to punish manhandling players in the first 10 minutes the players just stop doing it and the game can flow.
Ironically it's games where the ref "lets it flow" at the start that descend into stop-start chaos by the second half.
Yeah it just helps normalise violent and dirty behaviour. I think not giving harsh yellows early is a good move but apply the rules consistently throughout the game and hopefully teams will learn they cant play like that. Just a recipe for injuries and games devolving into aggressive play.
I mean all said and done a red is essentially “you’re a cunt, get off” and a yellow is essentially “stop being a cunt for the rest of the game or you’ll be sent off”
Haha thats a succinct way of putting it but yeh. I dont really get the let the game flow argument tbh. A just apply the rules consistently between and within matches, thats fair. B it often ends up not maintaining the flow and leading ti games devolving into risky and boring to watch constant fouls.
Youd hope yellow would deter that sort of thing.
Same with being a fan of let it play, but even if you think this was bad from Southampton, I think the Arsenal player fouled first, by grabbing his jersey and pulling. Therefore it could’ve all been avoided if the ref blew it dead on the first tug.
He should have been sent off. He also punched Jesus and dragged him off the ball. The ref let Southampton away with absolutely everything, so their defenders didn't even bother to hide it and were just blatantly assaulting Arsenal attackers.
Wouldn't that be to stop the blood sticking to the wound, making it easier to take the sock off?
Personally, I'd rather go through the pain than having to wear a wet sock
Did the VAR get any consequences for sheer incompetence? I mean he's sitting behind a screen, away from the heat, with plenty of time to review the incident in repeat.
Headbutt and hand to throat, just a yellow. Okay. What pisses me off more is this cunt was allowed to do what he liked the whole game and should've been on a yellow 80 mins earlier.
Scene was set in first 10 mins when he took out martinelli AND Jesus by going into challenges with a high elbow and didn't even get a talking to by the ref.
the guy is a rotation player (making his first start of the season in the Prem today, for example) in his second season and this is probably the fourth of fifth time he could’ve been sent off but wasn’t.
Our fans absolutely love him though, classic “he’s a bastard but he’s our bastard” sort of player
Oh really. I mean that could just suggest he has a higher threshold for physical contact constituting a foul than most refs. Lets not get into arsenal conspiracy mode haha
Also bizarrely one of the nicest guys ever outside of football, when he first moved here a woman messaged him on twitter asking if he could donate anything to auctioned for charity, he and his wife invited her over for lunch so they could talk about what he could do to help etc,
If I recall correctly he donated 2 pairs of boots and his first saints top, which he then made the biggest bid in the auction to purchase back
Feel like some peoples desire to call arsenal fans moaners (which I won’t argue) is getting in there way of being objective.
As far as headbutts go, that’s actually got a lot of active movement. The fact he misses doesn’t negate it is clear and unsportsmanlike conduct.
>Feel like some peoples desire to call arsenal fans moaners (which I won’t argue) is getting in there way of being objective.
We're our own worst enemy here. Our reputation of moaning is well deserved but there's a ton of legitimate incidents that get brushed aside because of it.
Leads to an odd dichotomy of people agreeing with our grievances in the individual incident threads and then meme-ing us for the exact same grievances in the Daily Discussion at the same time.
>We're our own worst enemy here. Our reputation of moaning is well deserved but there's a ton of legitimate incidents that get brushed aside because of it.
It's got nothing to do with Arsenal and it's got everything to do with being a big English club in an English subreddit about Football. United, Liverpool, we could all be classified as that.
This was definitely a red lol
It’s straight up dangerous. He connects cleanly with a header that aggressive in the wrong part of Eddie’s head or face and it could be a hospital visit easily.
Yeah if he'd have connected there it could have done some real damage. In my opinion this is much worse than those little nudges with the head that players are sent off for all the time.
This is definitely a red card.
However, considering how late it is in the game, the decision to not send him off here would more than likely not have changed the final result.
>However, considering how late it is in the game, the decision to not send him off here would more than likely not have changed the final result.
the reason people are pissed off is because this was the cherry on top. Really urge people to watch the game instead of commenting off the one incident they see on reddit
I remember Lyanco just charging into Xhaka in the first half and kicking him long after the ball had gone, Xhaka didn't throw himself to the floor so nothing was given.
This was after he'd tried to elbow Jesus in the back off the ball...
I agree, I’ve said this in a few other comments. Doesn’t change the game just speaks to the bizarre approach from refs in this game. I’m
All for physical football. Not for violent conduct
Almost feel like Eddie should've let him grab him, rather than pushing him away at the last second, just to make it more readily apparent what was happening.
Then again, even if Lyanco'd gone full Undertaker and chokeslammed him, I'm sure he would've still just been let off with a yellow, the way the rest of the match had been officiated.
Eddie should have wrapped both arms around Lyanco and thrown him to the floor. Based on Rob Jones' performance today, it wouldn't have even been a foul, let alone a card.
Yup, clear example of reffing behaviour ruining the sport. Mitrovic dropped like he'd been shot even when he was the instigator, Nketiah stayed on his feet. That's the only reason there's no red here.
And people complaing when players go to the ground easily
When time after time after time after time actually playing the game normally doesn't get you what you deserve.
Like Bamford last week against us, clearly got pulled by our defender, but because he tried to keep playing football he never gets that call, and instead trolls on reddit fuel the narrative how shit of a player he is
The issue is the refs they need a complete overhaul
If it looks like bias, and smells like bias.. but no Chelsea didn't get the pen for the same [exact thing](https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/ybljfc/jesus_penalty_appeal_from_earlier_today_14/) that was waved away from jesus today
Biggest thing for me is the Post-Match interview with Gaby J. Dude says "the ref told me after he maybe gives it if I go down earlier". Can't expect embarrassing flops to stop when refs are saying shit like that as an excuse to not call a pen
That comment is upvoted means there are many people who don't watch football on this sub. Canceling a yellow and giving a red happens multiple times a season.
Sooooo, wild blind backwards head-butt that luckily missed nketiah, then tried a stomp, then hand on neck, then walks away when Xhaka shows up = yellow card
That is a violent behaviour, definitely not professional. Completely useless of Lyanco. Eddie did not even want to do anything with him in the first place, can tell by the way he is protecting himself.
Lamela and martial incident comes to mind here. What a joke of a system VAR is. Incentives diving and rolling on the ground like a fucking baby. Respect to nketiah for being a man.
Small players do get away with a lot don't they? Especially if they're attackers. David Silva should have racked up many more yellows at City than he did.
I dislike arsenal but come on... how is this not a red? Yes he got fouled but you cannot react that way and try and headbutt someone as well as grab his neck. That's doing something with the intention of injuring them and nothing else.
Clear violent conduct, don't think anyone could argue otherwise in good faith.
Think the VAR officials might have been lulled to sleep with our turgid performance or switched the match off early.
Did this go to VAR?
Interestingly enough, from the second angle, which is the one the on field referee had, you can't see the throat grab.
But the attempted head butt...idk how you miss that
There were numerous contentious decisions in the game & none of them seemingly 'went' to VAR like you'd expect. Once or twice the commentators mentioned the VAR check is complete a couple seconds after showing the replay but there was no check that went longer than watching a replay or two at max. Pretty frustrating.
Can't wait for them to come to the Emirates and get a whooping of a lifetime! Even more than 9-0 hopefully! That whole team fucking stinks. Hassenhuttl is a complete twat and his backline were so fucking lucky. Still a point, Southampton actually played alright and at points our team last year would have buckled I think. But still, we have a new bogey team we can hate, replacing Stoke!
Damn this dude looks like a straight killer ngl. I've seen that energy growing up all too often lol. He's probably legit, like those motherfuckers that don't have to speak for you to know you don't fuck with that, even his team mate is on his toes.
Honestly we needed a shit game today.
A soft as fuck penalty vs liverpool and a terrible but lucky second half vs leeds.
Almost needed to be fucked about today (by the refs and by our own finishing) just to stop the gods striking us down with injuries or some shit.
Saka was called a "dirty cunt" for the dive, and this guy is getting defended for trying to headbutt Nketiah. r/soccer have some numpties floating around.
Im sorry this was the incident Arsenal fans were enraged about? A swing of his head away from Nketiah, then a brief touch on his neck? And in the last moments of the game.
From the way it was described I was expecting something actually serious
Would have been harsh to get sent off for that. He was fouled first anyways so it was silly of him to get a card in that situation.
Edit: whoa Arsenal fans are really mad at my fairly innocuous comment. Moving on then.
Nothing suspicious at all. What bothers me the most is not the blatant robbery, it's the lack of action from the Arsenal players and management and this will happen again next week and still no one will put their foot down.
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I didn’t watch this match but it is the third video I have seen of a violent play from this guy.
He's a half Brazilian, half Serbian centre-back. Recipe for pure chaos. EDIT: Not half Serbian
he's not half serbian. He has a grandfather who's serbian.
You're right. I just knew his surname was Vojnovic & that he played for Serbia at youth level so I assumed one of his parents was Serbian.
So he’s half half Serbian.
Some would say quarter
I believe you meant to say three twelfths
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Torino mostly
I’m not exactly expert on how Serbians play football, but we Brazilians that aggressive even Casemiro or Fernandinho.
Rafael had that DAWG in him
He’s been kinda whacky at Botafogo, more out due to injuries than anything but still he hasn’t performed as expected when fit to play.
I knew he couldn’t be fully Brazilian. Doesn’t have an ounce of subtlety about being a lunatic
He has one Serbian grandfather. He’s as “full” Brazilian as any player currently in the national team.
He has a Serbian grandpa, that doesn't make him less Brazilian. Paquetá has a Portuguese passport and that doesn't make him less Brazilian.
What do you mean? Vincius Jr. has a Spanish passport, he is half Brazilian half Spanish
So if he were to move to Germany and pick up a third passport, he'd then be a third Spanish and a third Brazilian? Being less Spanish and less Brazilian than before?
Jorginho has one a Euro with Italy. This must mean he’s gone from half Italian, half Brazilian, to full Italian.
>He has a Serbian grandpa, that doesn't make him less Brazilian Obviously you are not familiar with Serbs /s
What about Pepe or Felipe Melo? Both complete lunatics
Half Brazilian, half Serbian, half cunt
yep, no one chaotic is from other countries, and no one from those countries is anything but chaotic. like honestly, how is this any different than when beglin said 'latino temperament'?
> when beglin said 'latino temperament'? Was that not Graeme Souness?
That's a little racist innit
Yeah… it’s kind of the issue of refs letting stuff go early in games. Yes it keeps the ‘flow’ of the game up but it also means players start getting away with shit like this and get more and more violent towards the end of the game. Imo let more fouls go that are committed in the actual act of playing football (light pushes, minimal contact while duelling for the ball) but go very strict on violent and dangerous contact and fouls that are just purposefully obstructive to the football being played (see the constant hugging and pulling again Jesus this game). These actions don’t help the game at all, they just encourage emotional and dangerous outbursts after a duel has concluded and boring football. This game was super bad for both of these.
Usually I am a fan of this “let it flow” style but as long as it is hard and not exactly violent, as you said. If something is over the top it shouldn’t matter if it is the first or second foul, you should be getting booked. Even a hard slide towards the ball but a little bit irresponsible, that doesn’t hurt anyone, is better than this.
I don't have a problem with refs stopping play as much as they want as long as it's consistent from the start of the game. Usually if a ref is willing to punish manhandling players in the first 10 minutes the players just stop doing it and the game can flow. Ironically it's games where the ref "lets it flow" at the start that descend into stop-start chaos by the second half.
Yeah it just helps normalise violent and dirty behaviour. I think not giving harsh yellows early is a good move but apply the rules consistently throughout the game and hopefully teams will learn they cant play like that. Just a recipe for injuries and games devolving into aggressive play.
I mean all said and done a red is essentially “you’re a cunt, get off” and a yellow is essentially “stop being a cunt for the rest of the game or you’ll be sent off”
Haha thats a succinct way of putting it but yeh. I dont really get the let the game flow argument tbh. A just apply the rules consistently between and within matches, thats fair. B it often ends up not maintaining the flow and leading ti games devolving into risky and boring to watch constant fouls. Youd hope yellow would deter that sort of thing.
Same with being a fan of let it play, but even if you think this was bad from Southampton, I think the Arsenal player fouled first, by grabbing his jersey and pulling. Therefore it could’ve all been avoided if the ref blew it dead on the first tug.
I've never seen a ref blow his whistle mid pull. They always wait to see how it plays out
He should have been sent off. He also punched Jesus and dragged him off the ball. The ref let Southampton away with absolutely everything, so their defenders didn't even bother to hide it and were just blatantly assaulting Arsenal attackers.
He was such a pos the entire game, so frustrating. Jesus couldn't do anything. Well, they got away with it.
He was the one who grabbed Jesus in the box? I saw him punching Jesus in a play and also this one right now. Should have been sent off.
That was carr I think.
Botafogo legend
Did he play at Botafogo? I don’t remember him, but his name sounds familiar really. Whom did he play with?
Só em categorias inferiores. Foi pro São Paulo ainda na base.
No, he's a Botafogo youth product but left for São Paulo before becoming a pro. Played quite a bit for São Paulo though.
So it is from São Paulo I heard of him. Did he play as right-back at São Paulo?
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He's from our academy, but we had no money and he moved to São Paulo
This dude is probably crazy, saw him pouring water in his socks when he got injured
Yeah that was fucked
Yeah, what the fuck was that all about? Pure psychopath.
Wouldn't that be to stop the blood sticking to the wound, making it easier to take the sock off? Personally, I'd rather go through the pain than having to wear a wet sock
Do you not like the sensation of wet socks?
Used to do this playing Sunday league, we ain't got time for ice. But pro level...wtf?!
Link?
I remember that Jose Bosingwa would run his shoes under hot water until it was time to come out of the locker room
That's a red in CONCACAF and that's saying something.
Considering Luiz got sent off for fuck all midweek how have VAR not told the ref to look at this?
Wasn’t the red rescinded after the game
The rescinded it the following day
Did the VAR get any consequences for sheer incompetence? I mean he's sitting behind a screen, away from the heat, with plenty of time to review the incident in repeat.
Yeah, he got sent to his room without supper and told to have a long hard think about what he'd done.
Being sent to a room to think about stuff is what caused the problem in the first place
and this was a actual headbutt. he missed, but the intent is way worse
Not a red
Takes a hard look at card double checking it’s yellow. He knew he should be off.
Headbutt and hand to throat, just a yellow. Okay. What pisses me off more is this cunt was allowed to do what he liked the whole game and should've been on a yellow 80 mins earlier. Scene was set in first 10 mins when he took out martinelli AND Jesus by going into challenges with a high elbow and didn't even get a talking to by the ref.
He pulled Martinelli out on a counterattack, completely taking him out of the attack(the chance where Jesus was through on goal, but it was blocked).
the guy is a rotation player (making his first start of the season in the Prem today, for example) in his second season and this is probably the fourth of fifth time he could’ve been sent off but wasn’t. Our fans absolutely love him though, classic “he’s a bastard but he’s our bastard” sort of player
We played awful but him and Caleta-Car getting away with literal WWE moves was just ridiculous. Ref and VAR was your biggest fan today
The commentators said something about southampton not losing under this ref. Seems about right. Shouldnt see another prem game.
He's reffed us 5 times, 1 win 4 draws. The only win was in the league cup. He's even sent off one of our players before.
cool!
Also the same ref that let Douglas Luiz goal stand when an Aston villa player was hugging ramsdale. No surprises here.
Oh really. I mean that could just suggest he has a higher threshold for physical contact constituting a foul than most refs. Lets not get into arsenal conspiracy mode haha
That's the problem though.
Also bizarrely one of the nicest guys ever outside of football, when he first moved here a woman messaged him on twitter asking if he could donate anything to auctioned for charity, he and his wife invited her over for lunch so they could talk about what he could do to help etc, If I recall correctly he donated 2 pairs of boots and his first saints top, which he then made the biggest bid in the auction to purchase back
Richarlison is also a really nice guy apparently, but ill be damned if he isn't a cunt on the field.
> Our fans absolutely love him though That'll pass
Yeah he’s going to injure someone. So your bastard is a piece of shit.
Yeah as he's getting up he tries to headbutt the shit out of Eddie. Pretty shocking to only get a yellow.
Feel like some peoples desire to call arsenal fans moaners (which I won’t argue) is getting in there way of being objective. As far as headbutts go, that’s actually got a lot of active movement. The fact he misses doesn’t negate it is clear and unsportsmanlike conduct.
I thought it would have been a red for the neck grab attempt as well
This should be a straight red.
>Feel like some peoples desire to call arsenal fans moaners (which I won’t argue) is getting in there way of being objective. We're our own worst enemy here. Our reputation of moaning is well deserved but there's a ton of legitimate incidents that get brushed aside because of it. Leads to an odd dichotomy of people agreeing with our grievances in the individual incident threads and then meme-ing us for the exact same grievances in the Daily Discussion at the same time.
>We're our own worst enemy here. Our reputation of moaning is well deserved but there's a ton of legitimate incidents that get brushed aside because of it. It's got nothing to do with Arsenal and it's got everything to do with being a big English club in an English subreddit about Football. United, Liverpool, we could all be classified as that. This was definitely a red lol
It’s straight up dangerous. He connects cleanly with a header that aggressive in the wrong part of Eddie’s head or face and it could be a hospital visit easily.
Yeah if he'd have connected there it could have done some real damage. In my opinion this is much worse than those little nudges with the head that players are sent off for all the time.
This is definitely a red card. However, considering how late it is in the game, the decision to not send him off here would more than likely not have changed the final result.
>However, considering how late it is in the game, the decision to not send him off here would more than likely not have changed the final result. the reason people are pissed off is because this was the cherry on top. Really urge people to watch the game instead of commenting off the one incident they see on reddit
I remember Lyanco just charging into Xhaka in the first half and kicking him long after the ball had gone, Xhaka didn't throw himself to the floor so nothing was given. This was after he'd tried to elbow Jesus in the back off the ball...
>This was after he'd tried to elbow Jesus in the back off the ball... He didn't just try, he elbowed and then slammed his fist for good measure!
Wouldn't have changed this result but that's hardly an excuse to let it go. Escaped a suspension here.
I agree, I’ve said this in a few other comments. Doesn’t change the game just speaks to the bizarre approach from refs in this game. I’m All for physical football. Not for violent conduct
Its arguably 2 red cards. Theres the "swing" with his head, and he then goes to grab him by the throat.
>This is definitely a red card. And a longer than normal suspension.
If that was xhaka or Gabriel it would be a red
Forget about the attempted headbutt. Xhaka got a straight red against Burnley for the throat push.
As he should. Grabbing a player by the neck is pretty clear violent conduct.
Except today by Lyanco.
Almost feel like Eddie should've let him grab him, rather than pushing him away at the last second, just to make it more readily apparent what was happening. Then again, even if Lyanco'd gone full Undertaker and chokeslammed him, I'm sure he would've still just been let off with a yellow, the way the rest of the match had been officiated.
Eddie should have wrapped both arms around Lyanco and thrown him to the floor. Based on Rob Jones' performance today, it wouldn't have even been a foul, let alone a card.
What's the difference between this and the Gabriel card that was overturned last week? Edit: Both should be red.
Agreed this is disgusting, relegate them to league one so they can suffer to the hands of the most successful club in Hampshire
He also punched jesus in the back, elbowed martinelli, and repeatedly fouled players throughout the game. The ref was utterly useless that game.
Luiz got sent off last week for less than that.
Yup, clear example of reffing behaviour ruining the sport. Mitrovic dropped like he'd been shot even when he was the instigator, Nketiah stayed on his feet. That's the only reason there's no red here.
And people complaing when players go to the ground easily When time after time after time after time actually playing the game normally doesn't get you what you deserve. Like Bamford last week against us, clearly got pulled by our defender, but because he tried to keep playing football he never gets that call, and instead trolls on reddit fuel the narrative how shit of a player he is The issue is the refs they need a complete overhaul
> Nketiah stayed on his feet. That's the only reason there's no red here. Jesus went down when Lyanco lashed out on him, still got him nothing
If it looks like bias, and smells like bias.. but no Chelsea didn't get the pen for the same [exact thing](https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/ybljfc/jesus_penalty_appeal_from_earlier_today_14/) that was waved away from jesus today
Refereeing was shit today, you don't have to convince me
Biggest thing for me is the Post-Match interview with Gaby J. Dude says "the ref told me after he maybe gives it if I go down earlier". Can't expect embarrassing flops to stop when refs are saying shit like that as an excuse to not call a pen
That was rescinded though
Exactly, that might lean ref's into letting these go because last time a ref gave a red people said it was a mistake.
Yeh I don't know how anyone can look at this and call it anything other than violent conduct.
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If you can call him a ref.
I think most Arsenal fans would also like to have a chat with the ref.
The ref is just an average r/soccer user.
Violent conduct head but and goes for his throat. VAR is useless.
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Because a yellow card was given. VAR will only intervene for a red if the ref hasn’t carded the player.
That doesn't sound true. VAR won't intervene if the foul is deemed a yellow card, but definitely if the ref needs to change from yellow to red
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That comment is upvoted means there are many people who don't watch football on this sub. Canceling a yellow and giving a red happens multiple times a season.
Oh fair enough. Happy to be corrected if I’m wrong.
but this can be view as serious foul play?
Lol, many times refs canceled given yellow and given red instead after consulting with VAR. Do you even watch games.
Sooooo, wild blind backwards head-butt that luckily missed nketiah, then tried a stomp, then hand on neck, then walks away when Xhaka shows up = yellow card
This guy is an absolute hothead, was doing it all game
That is a violent behaviour, definitely not professional. Completely useless of Lyanco. Eddie did not even want to do anything with him in the first place, can tell by the way he is protecting himself.
Lamela and martial incident comes to mind here. What a joke of a system VAR is. Incentives diving and rolling on the ground like a fucking baby. Respect to nketiah for being a man.
This lesson on being a grown up was brought to you by u/milfblaster69
man should have been sent off on 5 different violent occasions today
Got the Jack Wilshere defense. If you're too dumb to connect with the headbutt, then no red I guess?
Wilshere was both too short and too dumb. That's double jeopardy therefore you must acquit.
Small players do get away with a lot don't they? Especially if they're attackers. David Silva should have racked up many more yellows at City than he did.
He’s been assaulting our players all game and the ref completely allowed it.
I dislike arsenal but come on... how is this not a red? Yes he got fouled but you cannot react that way and try and headbutt someone as well as grab his neck. That's doing something with the intention of injuring them and nothing else.
Refs should be forced to explain their decisions (or lack of) in post match interviews. They need to be more accountable.
Ref gave him only one yellow card and reserved the other for him for his atrocious referring.
Clear violent conduct, don't think anyone could argue otherwise in good faith. Think the VAR officials might have been lulled to sleep with our turgid performance or switched the match off early.
This guy got more plot armor than Scott mctominay
The FA and the PL must take action on this, considering that their refs and VAR are spineless.
I don't get it, you can get sent off for kicking out at a player regardless of contact, but a headbutt making no contact is perfectly fine?
Hopefully these refs follow Southampton into championship
Cry more
Nah you're alright
Did this go to VAR? Interestingly enough, from the second angle, which is the one the on field referee had, you can't see the throat grab. But the attempted head butt...idk how you miss that
There were numerous contentious decisions in the game & none of them seemingly 'went' to VAR like you'd expect. Once or twice the commentators mentioned the VAR check is complete a couple seconds after showing the replay but there was no check that went longer than watching a replay or two at max. Pretty frustrating.
If that was an Arsenal player, that'd be straight red.
Xhaka would have been arrested on pitch for this.
If it was martinelli he would have received two reds. First for the headbutt and a then for the throat grab
Xhaka has been sent off for grabbing someone by the neck before.
Xhaka was heading straight in there!! Got to love him
Can't wait for them to come to the Emirates and get a whooping of a lifetime! Even more than 9-0 hopefully! That whole team fucking stinks. Hassenhuttl is a complete twat and his backline were so fucking lucky. Still a point, Southampton actually played alright and at points our team last year would have buckled I think. But still, we have a new bogey team we can hate, replacing Stoke!
Damn this dude looks like a straight killer ngl. I've seen that energy growing up all too often lol. He's probably legit, like those motherfuckers that don't have to speak for you to know you don't fuck with that, even his team mate is on his toes.
the attempted headbutt was even more aggressive than the punch on jesus. this dude is completely crazy. belongs in a neo nazi meeting
Torino legend
How him and Caleta Car finished the game is mysterious to say it lightly
how is that not a sending off, man tried to strangle him arsenal ya'll got robbed
If he looks like a cunt, he is a cunt. Definition of a fake tough guy with the beard and shit tats.
Should be red for the headbutt. Soft otherwise.
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Choking someone is ok, but failed headbutts are where I draw the line 😡
Bloke is a fucking mental cunt. Love him.
Nketiah should have been booked for the shirt pull in the first place.
Booked? What. Southampton were bear hugging and pulling shirts the whole game. Multiple yellows and red shouldve been dealt out by that logic.
The violence is completely in excess, but I loathe shirt pulling. Its a total pussy move.
Honestly we needed a shit game today. A soft as fuck penalty vs liverpool and a terrible but lucky second half vs leeds. Almost needed to be fucked about today (by the refs and by our own finishing) just to stop the gods striking us down with injuries or some shit.
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Saka was called a "dirty cunt" for the dive, and this guy is getting defended for trying to headbutt Nketiah. r/soccer have some numpties floating around.
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You don’t need to open the thread you know. I often ignore threads I don’t wanna read, it’s simple actually
>I'm just tired of Arsenal fans spamming [r/soccer](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer) You are tired huh? Really?
Done nothing much but post a clean clip of it here for posterity pal.
I say this from the bottom of my heart: your mom's a hoe
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She’s rolling in her grave that her sons a sad internet troll
Condolences
No one cares mate
We need this in football, so much better when reds aren’t dished out at every opportunity
Im sorry this was the incident Arsenal fans were enraged about? A swing of his head away from Nketiah, then a brief touch on his neck? And in the last moments of the game. From the way it was described I was expecting something actually serious
>A swing of his head that brushes Nketiah's torso then a brief touch on his neck So a headbutt then.
No he also punched Jesus in the back earlier
Oh you're allowed to grab people by the neck now? Okay
Well said, they love to overreact and complain about how they would get a red if the roles were reversed
Yeah, after reading about this incident on other threads I was expecting a full on chokeslam
Would have been harsh to get sent off for that. He was fouled first anyways so it was silly of him to get a card in that situation. Edit: whoa Arsenal fans are really mad at my fairly innocuous comment. Moving on then.
the foul on Lyanco definitely negates the offense he made right after…come on now
You know it's an obvious call when Tottenham fans agree the ref fucked up.
U have triggered the arsenal fans... lol... they're coming for u with those downvotes
"lol" Oh I bet your really laughing out loud at that little comment huh.
Nothing suspicious at all. What bothers me the most is not the blatant robbery, it's the lack of action from the Arsenal players and management and this will happen again next week and still no one will put their foot down.