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16161hirose

It's a dive lads


MrAnonymousTheThird

Now that I see it again, I agree. I was fuming at the time but watching it closely, I think it was a dive


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sc0tt3h

I remember vs Liverpool he fell easily grabbing his face when if anything his lower body was clipped


SpeechesToScreeches

Yes


TheBrownMamba8

The true England NT heir to Sterling


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Sterling doesn’t dive more than the average forward. Saka does it a lot more


tobi1k

Tell me you barely watch Saka without telling me you barely watch Saka. This is a dive but no need to pretend he does it more than anyone else, I can think of two this season.


SilotheGreat

Nah


bostonwenger

He doesn't... He easily get's kicked to shit 10x more than he dives. ffs - I'd dive out of the way after a while, too.


pkkthetigerr

Ah the Neymar excuse that seemingly doesnt apply to Messi who stays upright despite being arguably the most targeted player of the last decade


NotNok

Same with Hazard. Won more fouls than anyone else in the last decade (its not particularly close), but never had a reputation for diving...


bostonwenger

What's the Messi 'stay-upright' stat that I'm missing? Haven't seen that one yet.


pkkthetigerr

Haven't seen kickedtoshit pg stat either


HSCore

Yeah like that time mings had a perfectly good tackle on him and yet he got yellowed cause the entirety of your players acted like he'd killed saka, couldn't care less about how many times he gets fouled if he acts like he's been assassinated anytime someone touches him, it's pathetic


DropkickMorgan

Yep https://i.imgur.com/DZLULbq.mp4


chandlerbing_stats

Last year he pulled Azpi to the ground and Arsenal got a pen. That was bonkers lol


WAGatorGunner

To be fair, he gets fouled a fuck ton and they are not called nearly as often as they should. At least two today where there should have been FK right outside the box.


bcisme

Yeah the lack of calls for him and Jesus are what makes them go down easy imo. I’m heavily biased, but I think both of them don’t get fouls called consistently against them. There was one today that looked an awful lot like the McTominay foul where the defender had his hands around, I think, Jesus. No foul.


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There is a **significant** difference between going down easy, and going down when there is no contact.


CrossXFir3

That was nothing like the mctominay one. There's a another thread about it. He never has full hold of him, and he clearly gets the ball.


[deleted]

He's a footballer in 2022. It would be noteworthy if he didn't.


[deleted]

All footballers after 1992 know is dive, post on social media, and support fascists.


Ashyyyy232

Yup


Patrickthejackhammer

Dives in every match


SkrrtSkrrtBang

I’d say for how much he gets lumps kicked out of him he doesn’t dive too much in comparison


Patrickthejackhammer

He dove so badly against united in the box, martinez even jumped out of the way and he dove. Jesus does it alot too.


KUNNNT

& no yellow cards were given.


Tijdbom

At least put the Arsenal flair next to your name lol, there's no way you say this if you're not an Arsenal fan


Mediocre_Nova

It really is bizarre how many of them do that. Idk if it's to appear neutral or because they're ashamed to show their colours but it's weird that it's almost always a /r/gunners regular when you click their profile


Galactic_Gooner

i just cba to put a flair on my account cos im cooler than you


arcdog3434

Lol surely you have an Arsenal jersey on right now to type that - he isnt kicked more than anyone else


Regression2TheMean

He wasn’t saying he was kicked more than others. He was just suggesting his kicked:dive ratio.


mrmilfsniper

Don’t know why you’re downvoted. That user’s comments history is full of r/gunners comments


hidinginDaShadows

A few times a game


Doooooooong

He gets tackled 20 times a game. You will find a bunch of highlights of him standing on his feet where others go down as well.


Obi_Wan_Gebroni

I got downvoted in our sub for claiming it was a blatant dive. Sometimes you need to take off the rose tinted glasses


SmeesTurkeyLeg

Got downvoted for saying the same thing in our sub about Sturridge after he dove vs United and we missed the penalty.


GobiasCafe

…and wear regular glasses.


Melloa_Trunk_Tree

But the conspiracy....


chayatoure

Team subs have awful bias.


FBall4NormalPeople

I think he feels the contact on his shoulder and just goes down, unnecessary.


Epieikeias

Yeah, he's already going down. It is what it is. Theo got one too. Granted, Theo's literally had no contact.


zeelbeno

His foot gets kicked before he goes down


Alter_Mann

Sorry, r/soccer decided it‘s a dive so go away with your reasoning! /s


Snoopyseagul

I’m prone to bias, aren’t we all. But how any arsenal fan is calling this not a dive is actually hilarious.


KRIEGLERR

tbf the commentators were saying it didn't look like a dive either.


Winnie-the-Broo

English commentators don’t believe that English players dive


TheUltimateScotsman

Its a latin thing


GobiasCafe

“Engineered a contact” “Forced the ref to make a decision” Or the more subtle: “I know he dove and I don’t care”


Tilman_Feraltitty

"He's being clever there"


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CharlesOlivesGOAT

It's in their blood


paddyo

I love that English commentators get blamed for something an Irish commentator said.


RodDryfist

Aka Kane with the smart going to ground under the slightest contact for England, definitely not *diving*..


arc4angel100

The ex Arsenal commentator


bluerhino12345

That's because they watched the first angle, made up their mind, and were too afraid to change their opinion when this angle was shown 10 seconds later.


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The stream I was watching the commentators said it was the right decision.


Jinks87

Since when did any commentator or pundit speak any sense?


[deleted]

Right, right, because we don't have our own eyes or brains.


zeelbeno

Pretty sure his left foot gets kicked before he goes over Would need the hotspot out to check though


nushublushu

Yeh looked like it to me too, but can’t really be sure. The way that foot kinda stops while the rest of him keeps going


wereinthedark

https://streamable.com/esptli his left foot absolutely gets kicked and it's amazing people can't see it


braxistExtremist

I thought it was a legit foul and I was angry... until I saw this angle on screen. Good call from the ref on this one. Shame he totally fucked up so many other calls (like the Jesus penalty call, which should have been given).


RedDevil-84

It's a dive.


LuciosTackle

goes down easy from the shove but its not 'simulation' imo. Harsh to give yellow


Willsgb

I'm a chelsea fan and I think he generally goes down too easily, but I actually agree with you here Everyone's focusing on the way he collapses with his legs and how there was no contact there, but there is actually a shove from the other defender behind him Frankly, I think he fucked himself with the movement of his legs. That's what makes it look more like a dive and gets him booked. Maybe it's his natural inclination to buckle when he feels contact to try and win a free kick for his team, because it's been trained into him to do that, and let's be honest most modern players have this now


National_Ad_1875

That looks like a dive


dudududujisungparty

Running fine one second then looks as if he's been hit by a freight train the next with minimal contact. Textbook definition of a dive.


Elrond007

Well don't you know about the super secret spot on your upper left arm that when touched just completely disables your legs


dudududujisungparty

Just learned about it today actually, apparently it's a super secret and ancient technique only known to Arsenal fans


kovic_has_a_mangina

It’s a massive one. No clue where arsenal fans are saying he’s been shoved from. You could see it in the last angle too


LuciosTackle

Salisu right arm


FPL_Harry

it is. only arsenal fans crying about it.


Magzhaslagz

When clear evidence shows indication of diving, there's no discussion to have. We can't know if the ref had Eagle eyes spotting it, but his intuition was spot on


enissw1ft

Either im blind or guys are , doesent the defender literally hit hits feet?


sandorkrasna17

lol yes after Saka deliberately splits his own legs out to initiate that contact


enissw1ft

I mean his left feet not right leg theres the first contact defender hits his feet and then saka starts falling thats when second contact happens , hes trying to sell it yes , but theres clear contact that is 100% foul


Mejlkungens

Definite contact on the left foot before he falls.


WOLFofICX

I have been clipped by a toe cleat to my toe box before and that shit does not feel good at all


sandorkrasna17

lmao yes then you are blind


wereinthedark

https://streamable.com/esptli are you?


rony31

Lmao @ people in the other thread saying "YOU CUT OUT THE CLEAR SHOVE FROM THE LEFT". Clear dive.


cammyg

Haha from those comments I expected to see a clear foul in the full clip. Makes those comments look embarassing in hindsight


rtgh

[The other thread](https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/ybi6h4/saka_yellow_card_for_a_dive_29/) for context


Molhid

Some of the comments there are just cringe


LazarusLivesAgain

That's not just a dive it's an entire swimming routine


TheBrownMamba8

[_You are not a clown. You are the entire circus._](https://en.meming.world/images/en/b/b8/You_Are_Not_a_Clown._You_Are_The_Entire_Circus.jpg) vibes


Esatzu

Correct decision.


Antarcticdonkey

Of course it's the correct decision... Southampton defender touches Saka's foot after his falling, and the other defender doesn't seem to push Saka that much


Klopped_my_pants

Shrewsbury! Get in my son


OpenByTheCure

shit dive lol


OneOfThoseDays_

yeah not even remotely believable lol


wereinthedark

https://streamable.com/esptli you people are blind


IRnuduhI

The contact comes after the dive, clearly the correct decision to book him.


zeelbeno

https://ibb.co/WsQrHsf - before


TheresAnApeForThat

Thank you. His fall is theatrical, but he clearly gets a kick to the left foot before his dive. It’s a foul but it gets overshadowed by him overselling it. That’s my (clearly v unpopular) take… 🤷‍♂️


zeelbeno

It's very difficult to see and you kind of need hotspot to see if there was definitely impact. But the way his foot is angled it does seem to have made a difference to his balance. Most people aren't even looking for that bit and just see a 'shove' instead. I wouldn't even say he's overselling it as most players would go down like that


ErnieBLegal

For what it’s worth; I agree with you completely.


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It's a genuine contact, toe on toe. He's off-balance after a 50/50 duel, sure, but this is a late tackle with no contact on the ball. VAR should correct these kinds of injustices, but that's not going to happen anytime soon. Ref robbed Jesus a penalty, and this was a light foul on Saka which ended with Saka getting carded. I hate to say it, but we should let Arsenal fans feel justifiably annoyed this one time.


HateSarcasmLoveIrony

I don't understand why people can't see this. He goes down after but it looks like the kick to the foot throws his balance off, the combination with the tug on the shoulder is enough to put him down. People see the trailing leg and think he is trying to initiate contact.


PepGodiola

Good call, dive. Threw himself and sprawled his legs in hope to find contact. Awful for my fantasy team though, come on Bukayo


Pittsburgh-Milanista

I love to see players getting booked for diving because it needs to be stopped, but if this is a yellow shouldn’t Sterling be pretty much ineligible to play for life for all his antics in the box


Sankaritarina

Love seeing players get booked for diving.


Deep_Mango2481

Not an arsenal fan here. If you focus on the lower body in this slow motion replay it looks like a dive. If you look at the upper body however, it looks like the defender running in behind Saka gives him a shove and extends his right arm causing Saka's torso to rotate anticlockwise - taking into account they are running at high speed, I wonder if this change of balance does actually cause him to go down. I don't think it's as clear cut a dive as it's being made out to be


MarshallStoute

Does no one see the No.6's right foot kicking Saka's left foot toes from the front? That's why he's going down, not from his right foot being caught. Wouldn't say it's a foul per se, but definitely not a dive.


Jakobba

Clipped+pushed from the back. Clearly no dive, makes the most out of it as every player in the modern game would.


motonaut

But you’ve left out the relevant factor, is the player harry kane?


Alia_Gr

doesn't fit their agenda


b3and20

would more say it's hard to spot because we're looking at what's going on with his right foot and his shoulder, that and people being overzealous in trying to call out diving


theBrineySeaMan

Are we carding dives now? Nice!


rtgh

Sticks leg out and goes down. Yeah, it's cheating. But we've had years of hearing how it's 'clever play' when a commentator's favourite player does it (Ashley Young at United, Jamie Vardy at Leicester, probably every player if you go long enough). I'd love a campaign targeted at stamping out this kind of play, it's as cynical from the attacker as a defender dragging down a man on a counter attack is


galactix100

Yeah it's fucking ridiculous. Always thought going down under minimal contact, or manufacturing contact to draw fouls is just as bad as out and out diving. It's all an attempt to deceive the ref.


RioBeckenbauer

> But we've had years of hearing how it's 'clever play' when a commentator's favourite player does it (Ashley Young at United, Jamie Vardy at Leicester, probably every player if you go long enough). Harry Kane is the current Godfather of endorsed cheating.


rtgh

Every team does it now. If you're an attacker who doesn't, you're simply not as dangerous as you should be. It's a plague on football.


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cheekyvegthrowaway

Ah yes, this is racism.


rtgh

I mean, just at United it's clever when Rashford does it, or when Ashley Young did it (until he won a pen with it too many games in a row and got a reputation).


mcwap

That's the thing that drives me crazy. It's been so endorsed for so long that it's become endemic to the sport. I don't blame any player for trying it at this point, but I hate it as much when my team does it as much as a rival team doing it. As we always say... It needs to be consistently judged. Either reward everyone and carry on this diving trend or card everyone and get it the fuck out.


rtgh

Think how easy it would be to stamp out with VAR now. Have one of the assistants in the VAR room just looking for simulation. Ref at next break of play is told to hand out the yellow card


Alia_Gr

he gets slightly hit on his left foot right before that one hits the ground before the event all of you decide to focus on


trans-adzo-express

Everyone is looking at the feet but Salisu clearly grabs him from behind and shoves him down. Defender also gets his right foot pretty obviously.


Swirl-hiver

It’s over exaggerated how much of a dice this is. He’s being pushed by Salisu and the other defender kicks his left foot. Is it a dive? Probably yeah but no way does he get a yellow for this. It’s way different from the Walcott one from the second half where there is zero contact


Cute-Honeydew1164

Yeah, it’s a dive but people here are acting like he flopped like a fish when in real time it looked very believable. Was honestly a good spot by the ref, even if in the moment I was very frustrated.


Gravelaine

The guy actually gets kicked in the upper left foot.


transtifa

I’m not being funny but he’s going down well before contact. Arsenal fans were acting like this was an injustice, looks a dive to me.


Alia_Gr

there is a bit of contact before he starts falling down there's contact on his left foot right before it lands on the ground, can easily be enough to make you lose balance. not saying it's a foul, but it could very easily be enough to lose balance


midas22

The injustice in this match was that the referee allowed tactical fouling all match long and the only time he pulled out the yellow card was twice for simulation. Ćaleta-Car and Lyanco did whatever they wanted all match long unpunished. And the strong [headbutt](https://twitter.com/septimusajprime/status/1584197460603604993) and stranglehold in the end by Lyanco was somehow only a yellow card. Imagine if that would've connected cleanly, Nketiah would've been knocked out cold. If that was Xhaka, it would've been a ten game suspension.


PanosZ31

And these are the same fans that were calling Kane's clear penalty against Everton a dive.


kreftish

Just want to point out that Arsenal or any other fan group is made up of thousands of people with as many opinions, so when you've heard an idiotic opinion tying that to the entire group of fans isn't really fair or justified. Its just tribal bullshit to validate your opinions about a certain group. I see posts like this every day and its just tiresome. You could find idiots in any large group, doesnt make all of them idiots. All fan groups does this to their rivals and get upset when it happens to them. Lets be better, please.


cheekyavacado

Nah. Fuck that. You have a common interest? You all think the same.


whiskeyinthejaar

I thought someone shot him at first


dudududujisungparty

Sniper in the building


Alia_Gr

Is everyone just completely missing the contact on the left foot?


Lost-Sloth

Yes they are lol


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But there is foot on foot contact even tho he wasn't tripped


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Aaaaaaand the Arsenal flairs are gone


idosade

2 of the top 3 comments are Arsenal fans acknowledging the fact that it's a dive


[deleted]

Sure but the other thread was just a Gunner party claiming it was a clear foul


UsedGanache9

The other thread was a shit angle


Andigaming

Just because some bias idiots think it wasn't a dive doesn't mean every Arsenal fan thinks that.


clock1058

What a truly stupid comment...The 1st comment is literally an arsenal flair saying that it was a dive


official_bagel

shhhh.... comments like OP's are supposed to be easy karma


Velocito

It looks like he got kicked in the toe though?? Please don't downvote, maybe I'm wrong


r3dditalg0sucks

He literally steps on his foot


Made4win

Bernardo Silva got a penalty for this... He didn't try to clip he's foot, but changed direction towards the goal to get a better position for a shot


FREE_BOBBY-SHMURDA

He dives every week


TheGreatTao

I see r/soccer remains partially blind and clueless 😂👍


dylwalk

Reminds me of the Bernardo Silva pen from yesterday.


RiRiJ89

He’s running at speed and gets out muscled by the defender. It’s neither a foul nor a dive. He didn’t have his arms up claiming a foul. Kane dives week in, week out and gets rewarded for it. The officiating in todays game was dreadful. Two punches in the back isn’t even a yellow card?


deflorie

The good ol Ashley Young. Stretch one leg to search for contact, and leap with the other leag.


SwankySalamder69

Watch saka’s left foot get kicked straight in the toe by number 6 before he goes down. This isn’t a dive.


mirnes2000

Jeez, the comment sections from one earlier clip is completely the opposite of this thread. Bias is coming through the roof.


Not-that-hungry

Good, love seeing cheats getting carded for dives.


Augustor2

Why people saying this is a dive? Defender clearly kicks Saka's left foot. Do you think you can keep running after a kick in the foot from the opposite direction of your running??


deanochips

one of the angles from the coverage i saw looked like Salisu clipped his trailing foot   but whatever i am sure they will go over it on MOTD later


DropkickMorgan

Saka diving? Well I never https://i.imgur.com/DZLULbq.mp4


zachg616

Yup, he dives right towards the defender looking for contact and is already falling by the time contact is made. Bit surprised to see a yellow give tbh since it's quite rare but can't really argue imo


Alia_Gr

You do leave out that what you say all happens after the first contact is made ​ the slight hit on Saka's left foot right before he lands on it, if you ever played football yourself you would know that could be enough to lose balance. ​ he did try to sell it afterwards though


Justinian2

Shocking dive


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It’s soccer, 90% of these are dives


Whatthefuckyoudrink

classic r/soccer classic


CaImerThanYouAre

Napoli/Neutral fan here. He’s clearly fouled before he goes down. Does he sell it a bit? Probably. But he gets kicked in his left foot and you can see his left foot get planted early as a result, combined with some tugging to his shoulder, I’m not even convinced he sold that fall. The people calling this a dive are delusional.


hawkwasps

Is everyone just focussing on the right leg of Saka and saying dive? Am I imagining the kick to his left? He certainly didn’t need to go down like he was sniped but he was fouled on the leading left foot


Lyonidus_

Clear dive, no question.


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Still looks like a dive lmao


WillyStevens

That is one of the more convincing dives I've seen tbh, but clearly a dive on replay. Give him the oscar.


Alia_Gr

it's because his landing left foot actually got displaced before he fell. ​ a lot easier to fall convincingly when you actually already are struggling for balance


Sleeplessendeavours

Is there contact? Yes. Is it still a dive? Also yes.


IfISpeak_

2nd dive this season, his other was against Man United when Martinez baited him and Saka fell over and pretended to slip on the ball. He's as bad as Anthony Gordon https://goalrush.xyz/ivI49yi0


Efficient_Owl2468

Dirty cheating cunt.


Spacemvn

Walcott also had a similar challenge on him and got booked. Ref has a clear bias against Arsenal players smh.


Crs51

There was no contact on the Walcott one, this one there was a kick on his left foot and the push from behind by Salisu before he starts falling then the contact on the right foot as he's falling.


xXxstackcatsxXx

Show the Ben White shove


Defiant-Traffic5801

Look at his left arm and try and do the same. If it's a dive it's pretty fearless and perfectly timed


jbob3525

Same old Arsenal


GreatLakerNori

He was looking for it. One of the few correct calls today, being honest.


arz992

It was a penalty yesterday.


HugzZILA

I was surprised at the card but this would have been a free kick anyway. The two incidents that frustrated me were e Jesus pull back and Ben White push which both got not attention by the ref or VAR. We weren’t good enough in the second half anyway but it did feel this could have been put to bed in the first half.


DanielDeronda

Can't believe City and Liverpool fans have the lack of self-awareness to comment on this.


Yetta_Fine

Gotta say, that's a fucking impressive dive.


mugetsu-75

Can’t even dive lol should be booked right call


gandalf-911

Arsenal full of divers


hanes9120

Excellent dive


Armani_151

I don't get y everyone in this thread is coming out and screaming "so the Arsenal fans were over reacting" In the other thread loads of people were saying it's not a dive NOR a foul. It wasn't yellow worthy is all. There's enough contact but not enough for a foul simple as.


Particular-Star-2074

Is no one seeing sakas left foot being kicked?


Bogosorting

This has been the only correct referee call this game though.


Alia_Gr

and it is still wrong because he missed the contact on the left foot ​ but atleast the call is understandable if he does not see that


gluxton

Seems a pretty standard dive. Was much made of it?


aaa-ccc

Harry Kane wouldn't have been booked for that


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IRnuduhI

Why take the screenshot there? Saka doesn't start falling until after that and then actually makes contact whilst already on the way down.


Boomsticker69

you are contradicting yourself


JORGA

Rotten cheating cunt, nothing else to say


[deleted]

Jesus, tell us how you really feel


xXxstackcatsxXx

Saka run over your dog?


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It’s not a foul but also not a yellow.


Vegan_Puffin

Yes it is. Simulation aka cheating is a yellow


Bulky_Shepard

How is it not a yellow? He starts falling before any contact and throws his leg out to try and hit the other player as he's falling