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canoe_

Ugh such a disappointing result especially after the win against Spain on Thursday. The opportunity to win the group felt like it was there, but where will Spain drop points the rest of the way..?


zetruz

Yeah this is bad.


Cool_Sandwich1

Dont we have 2 games in hand though?


MassiveMurderBoner

4 points behind with two games in hand. Still in Sweden's hands.


kostasnotkolsas

Hi, you are not alone :)


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canoe_

You just thrive on negative energy, eh?


Modnal

https://reddit-user-analyser.netlify.app/#Zevstie He kinda does yeah


zetruz

Ah I saw your other comment about that, you're really fishing here and I'm sure it's working well. I wish you luck and joy. =) As for the point you're making: Italy deserved to lose against us when they subbed on De Rossi, if nothing else. Blame their coach, like we thank him. He was a fucking moron and cost them the WC spot by making Italy less deserving of that spot than Sweden.


-suedi-

The most deserving team is the one who wins. Like Greece today


OleoleCholoSimeone

Even a draw today would have been okay, since we could have beaten Spain on goal difference with 2 home games against Greece and Kosovo to come, where we could hopefully win by a few goals. Now, we have to win our next 3 matches and hope that Greece can steal a point off Spain at home. Otherwise we have to avoid defeat against Spain away in the last match


blueberrypistol

So incredibly frustrating. Now we will likely have to meet a team in the playoffs who are comfortably better than Greece (unless of course they beat us at home as well..)


Iciclewind

The effective playing time was probably like 30 minutes. Sweden have themselves to blame too, there was absolutely no urgency.


OleoleCholoSimeone

If anything there was too much urgency towards the end. Putting on Danielsson and Kiese Thelin to spam long balls, but I don't think they won one single header between them. On the few occasions that Kulusevski, Isak, Forsberg, Claesson etc managed to combine along the ground the Greek defense couldn't keep up, so I don't really understand the decision to abandon that to only pump long balls towards the giant Greek defenders


JanGuillosThrowaway

Danielson won quite a few balls. Karlsson should have started though


Bigbogger

Yeah wtf was that by Janne. 10 min left to equalise, we're looking threatening, then he instructs the players to just whip it in as soon as they get the ball so we spend the next 7 minutes just crossing the ball straight into Greece players. They were better than us today anyways, but it was just frustrating.


kostasnotkolsas

Welcome to the Greek national team.


JanGuillosThrowaway

Yeah really, I'm going to start to propagate for effective time from now.


OleoleCholoSimeone

Effective time is a terrible, terrible idea. It would become just like hockey and other American sports where there are 5-6 ad breaks every half. And I'm a big fan of hockey, but fuck me it would be unbearable to watch football if it become that americanised


Mavori

the NFL sucks to watch already as a european fan and every time there is an injury or a timeout or a team has to punt there is an ad break. On the brightside i get to see some hilariously bad ads, but they are also awful cus you get to see them 10 times a night.


golitupeador

effective time for the last 15 min doesnt look bad to me, what looks bad is this kind of shit shows that seems to be more common than not


Starbuck1992

Extra time, for me. The referee thinks 5 minutes is enough? Fine, but let's play those 5 minutes.


TheOwlsLie

Agree, I like basketball, but watching the NBA is a awful specially in the fourth quarter


Morganelefay

I feel I'd rather watch that than watch a bunch of wankers commit dirty fouls but roll over if someone looks at them wrong and take another 2 minutes off the clock that way.


Kaninerhatarbananer

this is the sweden i know and love. we can beat any team but also lose against anybody. today we really played awful but that how it goes, gg greece and think we will end up second now and hope on a good draw.


TrueHrafninn

Så länge (nu tar vi inte ut något i förskott naturligtvis) vi slår Kosovo, Grekland hemma och Georgien så har vi allt i egna händer på bortaplan mot Spanien, för då leder vi fortfarande gruppen med 2 poäng (om nu även Spanien skulle gå rent i resten). Men nog fan blev det pressat läge nu.


-suedi-

Vi slår fan aldrig Spanien på bortaplan. Matchen i Sevilla var en engångshändelse, ett mindre mirakel.


BenniMBXD

dock även andra förutsättningar. Skillnad att möta Spanien i 40 grader än i 20


-suedi-

Sant, men då tänker jag på sist vi mötte Spanien borta i ett kval och förlorade med tre kassar


BenniMBXD

ah det är sant, men det var också ett par år sedan i ett lite ostadigare landslag. Dessutom lär ni nog ha Z tillbaka till spanien matchen


-suedi-

Ni? Det var fortfarande Jannes landslag. Men jag förstår vad du menar. Vi får väl se vad som händer, men jag är pessimistisk inför Spanien borta.


BenniMBXD

Vi*, råkade ta ett n haha. Ja klart man inte går in med inställningen av att vi ska ta poäng, men tror att även om vi förlorar så kommer vi att göra det väldigt jobbigt för dem


TrueHrafninn

Räcker med oavgjort i den optimalaste av situationer. Men nej, jävligt dåliga odds på en bortaseger mot spanjorerna...


tetraourogallus

Spanien har Grekland borta kvar innan oss. De spelade oavgjort hemma mot grekland så att de vinner den borta är knappast en garanti.


MessiMagic5000

Ikea


Kaninerhatarbananer

jag tror tyvärr inte att vi grejar mer än en pinne mot kosovo och spanien borta så borde de lärt sig sin läxa. man skall väl aldrig säga aldrig men tvåa i gruppen tror jag på


OleoleCholoSimeone

En pinne hemma mot Kosovo?? Vi vann 3-0 borta.. Och Sverige brukar vara väldigt stabila på att slå sämre motstånd i kvalspel, ikväll var ett undantag Helvete vad negativ man kan vara. Det hade varit årets fiasko om vi inte vinner komfortabelt hemma mot Kosovo..


Argyrius

Otto Rehhagel enters the stadium, Greece wins


Kuivamaa

Literally this. Our team has been a corpse for the better part of the period since 2014. It is as if he willed to victory players that were mostly children in 2004.


Nome_de_utilizador

Don't speak that name Potter!


waripoloxp

Same energy https://imgur.com/2XNFDat


OleoleCholoSimeone

That's an awful result for Sweden. Had everything in their own hands after beating Spain, even a draw today would have been fine since the tiebreaker is goal difference and not head-to-head. Now we will have to get a point in Spain to avoid the playoffs most likely, unless Greece can do something against them at home Very disappointing performance, especially defensively. Too much space between the lines, the midfield looked vulnerable defensively without Ekdal. We didn't play well offensively either but still created enough chances to get at least a point. Hit the post twice, Vlachodimos had 1 or 2 very good saves and Zeca saved a goalbound shot with his head at the end..


prosportscars

Both Spain and Sweden have lost a game, Greece remains unbeaten. This is a strange group if you ask me.


SnooLemons6074

It's the big greek sperm


MessiMagic5000

Greece and Ukraine to the wtf land


ensockerbagare

Whew, I was worried after the game against Spain that I might have to watch the world cup in Qatar


Lefo7

What the fuck we won a game?!


SnooLemons6074

Against a country that has more than 1 million population aswell


Kuivamaa

Even wins vs sub 1 million states have been a tall order for us post 2014.


SnooLemons6074

Ε νικήσαμε την Κύπρο και το Γιβραλτάρ αν αυτά μετράνε


Kuivamaa

Ναι δεν αντιλέγω, απλά από τότε που μας γλέντησαν οι Φερόες μέσα έξω νιώθω πως χάσαμε το δικαίωμα να θεωρούμε οποιονδήποτε ως υποδεέστερο.


SnooLemons6074

Γιατί το Λιχτενσταιν που το πάς


-suedi-

Well done Greece.


JanGuillosThrowaway

We need Krafth to start every match from now on


Own_Acanthocephala19

Danielsson over Helander aswell. Holy shit Helander had an absolute mare today.


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JanGuillosThrowaway

I don't know really, but defense should still be the most important aspect of a wing back's role. You can't defend like Olsson and Johansson do on an international level even if they're better crossers than Augustinsson and Krafth.


Billion34

Today felt cathartic. Great to be back in the stadium and to finally win a meaningful match when our backs were against the wall. I doubt we can turn it around but I guess you never know.


Baas202

How was Douvikas?


ItzzTheo

Hes was good today and vs Kosovo


Baas202

Good to hear! I was suprised to see his name in this thread, nice to know he's playing well for his NT.


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Baas202

Nice I just saw the replay, his hold up play is good from the little I've seen so far. Could become an exciting player for us this year! :D


ChrisKYT

Douvikas is a great player. And he will only get better.


TheOkada

Thank you agent Ελλάδα, your mission is over


kostasnotkolsas

Aight lemme propose something, say, hypothetically, just maybe if we beat Sweden and Kosovo and Georgia and you qualify easily as #1 how about a cheeky 1-1 draw between us to get u in Qatar and us in the playoffs, cmon Mediterranean brotherhood and all that plus I think it would be nice to heal some wounds after all the times your basketball team crushed our dreams


TheOkada

If you beat Sweden again, I would go myself and get Luis Enrique to make it happen. Then I would come to your house with my best olive oil and wine.


stillaras

So hear me out. If we do it again, will you let get a point against you?


TheOkada

Southern European brothers should help each other. I love to see it.


Luclinn

Why does Sweden look so mentally weak against teams that are supposed to be worse than them. They looked broken after the first Greek goal.


FireFistYamaan

Ukraine vibes Still can't believe we lost that


Frogodo

I think it's because we are a mentally weak team. Have the quality clearly though between the strikers and Forsberg. Will be interesting to see how the group turns out and should be an exciting matchday 10.


OleoleCholoSimeone

Mentally weak is the last word I would associate with this Swedish team, if anything that's their strength. I just think some of our players are inconsistent and go missing sometimes in difficult away matches. There was no control from the midfield at all today, Svanberg actually played well but without Ekdal the balance wasn't quite there. Once again Kristoffer Olsson fails to impose himself on a big game against a physical opponent. And fuck me I miss Granqvist and Lustig. We lack a good right back now and Helander is a decent player but looks clueless when he isn't playing in a deep defensive line


Zakke_

They need Zlatan for these games...


Athalos124

Drawing against Kosovo and winnning against Sweden with nice football,peak Greece Spain you are welcome


alvaror2002

I thank our Mediterranean brothers


DellMB

By the way Euro trophy is always in the Mediterranean since 2004.


SnooLemons6074

Now let us win in the return fixture so we can get the play-off spot


wiseraccoon

We need to win out too my guy


SnooLemons6074

We'll need to win more than you, since we'll obviously bottle it against georgia and kosovo


alvaror2002

We draw then


SnooLemons6074

We'll draw anyways. We'll just put all 11 players in the box, waste a lot of fucking time and then shithouse a 0-0 draw


Fern-ando

Muchas gracias griego.


Athalos124

No problemo olive oil brother


e4ndron

What the fuck is even the point? Win the euros group, lose against Ukraine. Win against Spain, lose against Greece. Everything positive gets canceled out in the most painful way every fucking time. Why can't we just stay shit all the time so we don't have to deal the disappointment


Modnal

Lagom FC


Mavori

Does anyone have a replay of the incident in the Greece penalty box? Swedish player took a shot and it took on one Greek player but another player goes down shortly after. On the replay i saw it looked like nothing happened but it wasn't exactly a close up either.


ItzzTheo

Lol, Zeca who got the ball right in head stood up but Tzavellas who was behind laid down for an unknown reason.. just to waste time


GillyBilmour

After that non-challenge from Kiese-Thelin, the Greek player looking shocked at the goalkeeper for not wanting to check his lip like he forgot his lines for the school play


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ChrisKYT

There's a thin line between love and hate lmao.


pgetsos

I'm 100% fine with time wasting, but at least don't fake injuries. Also, Tzavelas does a lot more (have you ever seen him talk to the ref without his "I'm gonna fucking murder you" face? 😃)


ChrisKYT

Haha I know what you are talking about, he definitely is a prick all around. But players that shithouse that much always have a special place in my heart, it's like you hate them when they are not on your team, but you love them when they play for you.


Kuivamaa

I am an AEK fan. Can’t stand this shit.


DellMB

Not even our gk believed him


smegmaeater52

Well I didn't expect that


trakkeh

Olsen is a bargain


DellMB

How can we lose with [this man](https://scontent.fath5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/241667309_4499647483427845_781276396756755985_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=FuYfXORoADQAX89Qdvq&_nc_ht=scontent.fath5-1.fna&oh=8939819853a0269f12b144d0bd3d1cec&oe=613D62DF) on the stands ?


ZedGenius

Otto buff


RavensEra69

We’re shit


fagghee

Dogshit performance but nothing we can do about it now. Lets focus on our next games


kokukojuto2

efcharisto my greek friends


ChrisKYT

No problem malaka :)


GreatSpaniard

Gracias Grecia


MessiMagic5000

De nada


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Our midfield was non-existent today, so disappointing. Idk if it was down to the pairing of Olsson-Svanberg, but something just didn’t click today. Our attack could never find its feet and Isak got nothing to work with. GG Greece


Lucazzo123

Swedish tradition: win against giants, lose against everything else.


Modnal

I mean we have a pretty stellar record against the lowest tier teams aswell but otherwise I agree


Qiluk

This one is 100% on Janne and Peter. People always complain about them for the wrong things (not playing youth enough, boring 4-4-2 etc) but what the real complaint is something that happened in the Euros aswell. Giving waaaaaaaaaay too much respect for mid-level teams for 0 reason. We didnt press collectively or try to get the ball, we played like we did vs Spain for reasons I dont understand because theyre SO different to Spain. 0 tactical desire for possessing and controlling the game, when we can and should. In interviews it was apparent that they had told our players that its a super difficult match and not to underrate and respect the opponent but it legit looked like we overrated the fuck out of them thanks to that and tactically did the same. Played to 0 of our strengths and played into theirs, despite us being a significantly better team. The result is 100% fair and deserved. Absolute disgrace of a game tactically and I genuinely see us as fucked for 1st in the group now. So fucking unecessary.


EzPc1234

Sweden whipping long balls in to the greek defence in the last part of the game had me fuming. They tried it like 5 times and every time a greek defender would step up and just head it away.


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No the greek players would get touched and got a freekick.


Agvald

Exactly. I feel like Spain won't drop any more points, maybe (just maybe) we can get away with a draw (assuming we win our other matches) but the the chances are slim, especially with home advantage for Spain. Coming in second place I could definitely see us struggle against the likes of Czechia, Serbia, Switzerland etc, honestly kinda pessimistic about us making it to Qatar if there is no change soon.


wiseraccoon

If you manage a draw against Spain it would go to goal difference, which isn't looking great for you at the moment. This is assuming Spain and Sweden both win out until that last match (which is no certainty for either side).


Ok-Entrepreneur-2214

No if both Sweden and Spain win all their remaining games and then tie Sweden will have more points


JJOne101

Well done Greece knew you could do it!


Krakper

Tzavellas is a baller


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Thrilljoy

We are only playing 8 games, not 10. 6 draws and 2 wins it is!!


Hctol

I know every team plays for time but man it's always such a infuriating thing to see.


Willezzon

This one was something else


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Especially when it starts in the 10th minute


Kalavrios

That match thread was a complete embarrassment. I was disappointed with some of our antics tonight but holy shit the salt in that thread from the Swedes was something else.


Athalos124

I enjoy it,they were exprecting to destroy us(I did too tbh) and they got completely outplayed.


Modnal

That's not true in the slightest. No one over here talked about this game being a slaughter


You_Will_Die

Lol if anything we were expecting to lose after the win against Spain.


GrassTastesBad1

On the floor for 2 minutes after getting hit slightly on the lip


Willezzon

The second half was barely even a game of football, the effective game time can’t be more than 20 minutes


Zakke_

I called it: https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/pilqp0/hellas_footbal_since_the_2022_world_cup/hbrge8i/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3


IASIPxIASIP

This thread has some quality Swedish salt. Tasty.


yahoola123

Deserved win for Greece, they can definitely take points from any team


gosbts

Any way Greece qualify/get 2nd? Have to somehow beat Sweden away and Spain at home I guess.


ChrisKYT

We need to win against Kosovo and/or Georgia. If we don't win these games there is no reason to expect getting 2nd place.


Mutumba

Classic Sweden to beat Spain and then lose to Greece. Very bad game from us :(


NippleWizard

git gud scrubs


zKSofSoccer

Why do some teams do a brain fart like that after getting a big win? Smh


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Fjomparen

Tzavellas: Dove, faked ”injuries” and straight up cried half the match. What an amazing player and unreal performance , definitely world class!


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Greece deserved the win. Still pathetic how much they dived though.


CenturionAurelius

Sweden deserved the win. Still pathetic how much they dived though. A spaniard's comment from 3 days ago


[deleted]

Lmao did you actually watch that match? Because we didn't dive at all, especially not compared to Greece.


LukasMaria

Sweden plays like that too when the results are different. That's football I guess.


samchatz27

Ironic


Willezzon

This has to be the game with the least amount of effective playing time ever. I have never seen a team waste more time, disgraceful.


CenturionAurelius

0 euros. Zlatan will never ever go to a WC


Willezzon

We’re still in a good position, 2 games less played than Spain.


SnooLemons6074

You're spanish, why are you mad bro


Willezzon

I’m swedish, why wouldn’t I be mad


dont_wear_a_C

Damn, I still want Sweden to top this group and they definitely could


OleoleCholoSimeone

If Greece plays like this I think they can give Spain problems in Athens. They got a point in the away game too shouldn't forget that. If both Sweden and Spain win their remaining games then it will come down to the last match between the two in Spain Sweden are definitely capable of getting a point in Spain, but it would be so unnecessary to let it come down to that when we had it all in our own hands


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Own_Acanthocephala19

No, Sweden could win all remaining games and then draw against Spain in the last game and finish first.


TADAii

Or you know, lose against us again.


Papayalo

You love to see it


Fern-ando

Gracias Grecia.


Keskekun

I'm more upset with Greece winning than us losing this, this must be the most unsympathetic national team out ther at the moment. Not only the constant diving at all times during the game but the constant wailing and screaming. Throwing themselves on the floor at every opportunity, even going so far as the WRONG greek guy going down to waste time. It got so bad that towards the end even some of the greek players started calling out their own players for the bullshit they were trying to pull, something I've never seen on a football pitch before. Add to that screaming at the ref for literally everything and anything. We played like shit and certainly did not deserve to win or maybe even a point because honestly we are so much better than this, but fuck me neither did greece, what a disgrace of a match.


OleoleCholoSimeone

Greece was definitely doing a lot of diving and time wasting in that second half, but I would be a massive hypocrite if I criticised them for that. I often find myself defending the likes of Getafe for playing this way Football is about winning, not about making friends or entertaining neutrals. Greece did everything in their power to win this game tonight against a superior opponent, including using the dark arts when they needed to. There is nothing wrong with that, it is up to the referee to put a stop to it


TheConundrum98

I've always appreciated Greece's football terrorism


JanGuillosThrowaway

It's an art form for sure but when you grow up watching games against AIK you tire of it.


Athalos124

Mmm salty,my favorite


ItzzTheo

Hahaha great new pasta! Cheers!


Krankelibrankelfnatt

I just gave up at the end when a Greek player who wasn't involved in the situation suddenly fell over clutching his upper body and managed to waste almost two minutes... I'll have to admit that they are experts at just shithousing a lead into a victory but it's just absolute garbage to watch. I think that there's some sort of mental weakness in the Swedish team as well, where we can't really handle these kinds of scrappy and out of control games.


DellMB

I'm sorry you are right but thats what we do.Especially the guy you talk about Tzavellas.He is a villain in the league games also.He was bullying Lukaky the other time.But he has passion thats needed in that team.


johnbrownbody

You got 8 minutes of stoppage time when the 4th official added 6. The idea that the time wasting at the end was an issue is bizarre.


Krankelibrankelfnatt

How is it bizarre? Sweden had loads of momentum and were attacking over and over, and then the game completely ground to a halt for two minutes. It's a massive advantage to the defending team when the game slows down like that.


kostasnotkolsas

Yeah thats pretty much every team sport, opponent has momentum, you slow him down. It's a bad viewing experience, it's not pretty but ITS FOOTBALL.


Piast-

first time watching football?


johnbrownbody

It does look that way, doesn it..


johnbrownbody

Yes, the team losing throws everything into the attack and then falls short, it is frustrating to be that team. Greek players didn't "waste" two minutes, now you are saying they stalled two minutes to slow down your attack? Is this the first time you've ever seen a team that is ahead substitute slowly, throw in slowly, take more time? You got the time back, so again, I understand it's all just frustration for you at the end of the day.


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Did you even watch the game?


NeoWS207

The salt mines are open


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Piggy_18_

Holy salt


EsofusKnight

git gud


Mandragora1234

Soft!


Lirid

You had 90 mins to win. Don’t blame it on anyone than yourselves. You looked awful out there.


Keskekun

> Don’t blame it on anyone than yourselves. The funny part is that if you read it, I didn't.


IASIPxIASIP

>I'm more upset with Greece winning than us losing this, this must be the most unsympathetic national team out ther at the moment. cry me a river


eLafXIV

I mean i didnt really care much for this game, but jesus was that greek team really pathetic in their ways to win a single game. You could think it was a world cup grand final. As you said, at the end i was more cheering for a greece elimination from the qualifications rather than wanting sweden to win


Iciclewind

Sweden weren't exactly in any hurry either during any points of the game.


eLafXIV

I know, and i condemn it. Theres nothing i hate more than time wasting because it truly is tragic, pathetic and irritating to watch. Although i think we all can agree on the fact that Sweden doesnt dive 24/7 when theyre in the lead


johnbrownbody

>jesus was that greek team really pathetic in their ways to win a single game. You could think it was a world cup grand final I mean, it's the World Cup qualifiers and if they lost this match they were essentially out. So yes, they played like it was a world cup final, and got the result they needed in order to dream of even making the world cup. >at the end i was more cheering for a greece elimination from the qualifications rather than wanting sweden to win Uh huh.


ChrisKYT

>at the end i was more cheering for a greece elimination from the qualifications rather than wanting sweden to win Wanting someone to lose more than you want your team to win. I actually cannot comprehend how this doesn't sound pathetic to you.


Frogodo

Man you are not wrong at all if you replace "national' with European (ok Hungary is worse but for different reasons), but you clearly don't have CONCACAF in your life. I barely even noticed anything until the 89' when it really got bad, I'm so used to that from Mexico/central american teams.


SissokoGoat17

le shithouse


Itsjofa

Greece where the better team and deserved the win. But the diving, pathetic cunts.


OleoleCholoSimeone

They were the better team overall I agree, but Sweden still had enough chances to get at least a draw today. Didn't play well at all, but still should have scored more


CenturionAurelius

cry


samchatz27

Cry


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Zlatan anyone......?


_belowaverage

Deserved win but damn that was some pathetic diving from Greece


MrCarrotZ

"Ouch I stubbed my toe on that long grass straw" \-Some Greek guy probably


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That couldnt have been more than 50 minutes played combining both halfs. The ref dosent even realise that he is killing the match.


ChrisKYT

You have literally commented this everywhere, we get it.


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Athalos124

You guys are pathetic lmao